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April 22, 2024 47 mins

Movie Mike dives deep into the world of underrated actors and discusses their standout performances. From unsung heroes to overlooked talents, get ready to discover a whole new appreciation for the actors you may have missed! In the Movie Review, Mike talks about Civil War from A24. He shares why it ended up being a much different movie than the trailer lead one, the anxiety ride it took him on, what works and where the movie could have improved to take it to a top tier film for him. In the Trailer Park, Mike talks about Apple’s new rom com called Fly Me To The Moon starring Scarlett Johansson and Channing Tatum. The film is set in the 1960s and features Johansson as a marketing exec hired by NASA to film a fake moon landing in case the real mission fails. 

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie podcast. I
am your host Movie Mike. Today, I want to share
with you my list of underrated actors and their best film.
These actors have gone without the praise they deserve for
too long, so I'm gonna give them all the recognition
they deserve and tell you what movies are theirs.

Speaker 2 (00:17):
You should check out.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
In the movie review, we'll be talking about Civil War,
how it was a really big win for A twenty
four and in the trailer part a very controversial movie
coming out called fly Me to the Moon about Scarlett
Johansson getting hired to fake the moon landing. So thank
you for being here, thank you for being subscribed, Shout
out to the Monday Morning Movie crew.

Speaker 2 (00:38):
And now let's talk movies.

Speaker 3 (00:40):
In a world where everyone and their mother has a podcast,
one man stands to infiltrate the ears of listeners like
never before in a movie podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:51):
A man with so much movie knowledge.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
He's basically like a walking IMTB with glasses. From the
Nashville Podcast Networks, Movie Mike Movie.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
I want to share with you my list of underrated
actors people I think deserve more recognition. In some cases, yes,
some of these actors have been nominated, even won an
Oscar a time or two. But I still think at
the forefront, they should be leading movies. They should be
on the list of the highest paid actors, which is
another thing I really considered when putting these people on

(01:27):
the list, because a few episodes back, maybe five, six,
seven or eight. By now, I did the list of
the highest paid actors, and everybody I'm talking about is
nowhere near that elite one percent of actors, even though,
oh man, you put these performances against those top ten,

(01:48):
they are right there pound for pounds. So these are
the unsung heroes in my eyes, the overlook talents in
Hollywood right now, and I'm getting so fired up. Let's
just get right into it with the actor who inspired
this entire list after watching Civil War, which I'll get
into my full thoughts later and tell you how I

(02:08):
loved him so much in that movie. I saw Jesse
Plemons in that and he immediately made that movie better.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
And that is what he always does.

Speaker 1 (02:18):
And Jesse Plemons has been added for so long as
a child actor. You're a fan of Friday Night Lights,
you're probably familiar with his work. He's done a lot
in TV, and that's not even what I'm going to
dive into here, but he has really become one of
my favorite actors. Maybe it's because he's from Dallas, Texas,
so there's some hometown bias there, but I feel like,

(02:39):
for a very long time, Jesse Plemmons was somebody who
I would see in so many movies and TV shows,
And oftentimes there are people like that that, even though
I'm exposed to their work so much, I don't know
their name, and that is unfair of me. And that
is why I'm doing this episode today, because there are
so many people like that that we appreciate but we

(03:00):
undervalue because they aren't the Brad Pitts, they aren't the
Leonardo DiCaprio's, they aren't the Kate Winslets of Hollywood. But
they are doing the roles that nobody else can.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
Do, the hard work.

Speaker 1 (03:15):
Now, if there was a blue collar worker in Hollywood,
it would be these people on this list, because they
are consistently in good movies and making things that inspire me,
and not only that but giving us all different kinds
of looks. The range on these actors is why I
decided to include every single person on this list because

(03:36):
they can do it all. They can do big dramas,
they can do comedies, and that is something that is
so undervalued, and oftentimes the people at the top really
could just only do one thing really well, and that
is what they get paid for. Tom Cruise, he's really
great at action. I'm not the biggest fan of his
drama movies, but you could argue that the rock is
only really good at one thing. But Jesse Plemons, if

(03:59):
you look at the list the movies he's done, there
are so many great ones to pick from where he
looks completely different and acts like a different character in
every single movie, where he can do the dramas, he
can do the comedies. And the movie that really set
him apart in my mind and solidified him in my

(04:19):
list of actors I'm gonna watch everything they are in
now was Killers of the Flower Moon, which right now
is his best role because he commanded the screen so
much in that movie, and I really wish he had
a bigger role in that, because oh, I feel that
way about every single movie he's in. And maybe it's
just the way that he talks, the way that he

(04:40):
makes me really convinced that he's buying into every single
character he does. That is why I love Jesse Plemons.
And before that, he was in the Power of the Dog.
He did get an Oscar nomination for that movie, which
you could argue, how could he be underrated if he
has an Oscar nomination. Well, I feel like that movie
was kind of up to be a little bit Oscar baby.

(05:02):
It didn't end up winning for Best Picture like I
thought it was going to. So while I'm still glad
he got the Oscar nomination for finally getting some recognition,
he didn't win because as great of an actor as
he is, he still isn't in.

Speaker 2 (05:16):
That top billing.

Speaker 1 (05:16):
Before that, I would say one of my favorite movies
of his is called Game Night, which is a very
generic title for a movie and one that I thought
was gonna be kind of a waste of time. You
also have Jason Bateman and Rachel McAdams, but that is
a movie that has a bad title that doesn't really
tell you.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
A whole lot about it.

Speaker 1 (05:35):
In any comedy, there's always one scene that I feel
defines the entire movie that I could forget all the
other plot points, but there's gonna be one scene that
sticks out to me. And that scene for me in
this movie is whenever Rachel McAdams and Jason Bateman get
home from grocery shopping, they're gonna have the game night,
but they don't want to invite Jesse Plemmon's character because
he's kind of weird and they don't want him interacting

(05:58):
with all their friends. So they have this iconic interaction.

Speaker 3 (06:03):
Three bags of tostito scoops.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
I notice there was a special on these tonight.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Three for one, three for one. Yep, how can that
be profitable for Freedo La?

Speaker 1 (06:17):
If I could get a movie quote tattooed in my body,
it would be an honor of Jesse Plemons.

Speaker 2 (06:23):
How could that be profitable for Freedo L?

Speaker 1 (06:25):
A a classic? He deserves all the praise. He is
an underrated actor in my opinion. Next up on my
list is Ben Foster, who is somebody who acts with
so much emotion I cannot believe that he is not
more famous. My favorite movie of his is Alpha Dog,
where he acted his face off and it's such a

(06:46):
sad story. But in this movie, Ben Foster plays kind
of a junkie who gets into some trouble with a
drug dealer.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
He refuses to pay him.

Speaker 1 (06:56):
This drug dealer or the young guy thinks he's the
King of La so he's gonna kidnap ben Foster's character's
brother played by Anton Yelchin, who sadly passed away. And
maybe that's why this movie still hits me on a
weird emotional level, just knowing how he tragically died. But
Ben Foster is so ferocious in this movie. Some people

(07:18):
would argue that he overacted a bit. I remember when
the reviews came out for this movie back in two
thousand and seven, they were saying that Ben Foster.

Speaker 2 (07:26):
Was over dramatic in this role.

Speaker 1 (07:28):
I don't think that is the case whatsoever, because he's
playing into his characters so well, and I love it
when an actor goes to that level shows you that
range of emotion. Ben Foster almost has this patented yell
and anger look on his face, and he makes me
feel what he is feeling. In this movie. He goes

(07:48):
from rage to sadness to fighting Emil Hirsch's character and
breaking into his house. So it's my favorite performance of his.
Another really great movie that Ben Foster was in was
a a western crime movie called Hell or High Water
that came out in twenty sixteen, and originally I was
interested in this movie because it gave me a lot

(08:08):
of vibes of No Country for Old Man kind of
shot the same way, has similar cinematography, but was actually
also shot and takes place out in West Texas. Chris
Pine plays his brother in the movie, and they are
going around Texas robbing different banks, and then Jeff Bridges
plays a Texas ranger who tracks them down and tries

(08:29):
to stop them. It really is one of the best
modern day westerns. We don't really get a whole lot
of them anymore. And Hell or High Water was a
movie I got a lot of praise and a lot
of buzz whenever it first came out, but rarely do
I hear.

Speaker 2 (08:41):
People talk about this movie now.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
So if you're looking for just a fun watch, and
also if you are somebody like me who needs a
movie to watch what the father figure in your life,
that is always hard to do. My dad does not
watch movies whatsoever. He doesn't watch TV, he doesn't watch movies.
Anytime we want to take them out to a movie,
doesn't want to go because he knows he's gonna fall
asleep within five to ten minutes. All my dad does

(09:04):
is work, sleep, eat, mow the lawn, and drink beer.
He has no time for anything, so oftentimes I have
trouble bonding with him over any kind of movie. And
if I do want to pick a movie, it has
to have something with guns, chases, police, and a lot
of foul language, because my dad always finds it hilarious

(09:25):
when people cuss in a movie. So already thinking ahead
for you. If you need an activity for the father
figure in your life coming up for Father's Day in
a couple of months, Hell or High Water is a
great place to start, and you will not be disappointed
with Ben Foster performance. That is why he's on this list.
Next up my third underrated actor. I gotta go with

(09:46):
Regina King. And even though she won an oscar in
twenty nineteen for If Beale Street Could Talk, that was
a long time coming. She has been acting in movies
since nineteen ninety one. Actually made her debut in Boys
in the Hood. Of all the movies to make your
debut in, what a powerful one to start with, and
since then she has been consistently working in Hollywood, not

(10:10):
only in movies, but also in television and not only
was she in Boys in the Hood in the nineties,
she was also in one of the most iconic nineties
comedies of all time, Friday. She's also in a movie
that Kelsey and I now watch every single Christmas called
This Christmas. Has one of the best comedic performances in
that the scene with the baby oil and the whipping

(10:31):
with the belt. Can't get enough of That scene still
funny to me. And she also gave one of the
strongest performances in Ray, which I know she didn't win
her Oscar till twenty nineteen, but she easily should have
won for that role. And what I believe is a
hidden gem in comedy is a movie called Down to
Earth that she started with Chris Rock. So whenever he

(10:52):
dies and comes back in the body of another guy,
which is this old white guy, so everybody sees him
as this old, rich white guy. Inside he's still Chris
Rock and she plays the love interest.

Speaker 2 (11:02):
In that movie.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
Now Down to Earth as a movie that didn't do
well at the box office, didn't really get a whole
lot of critical acclaim but I love that movie. It
feels very two thousands, and Chris Rock is somebody who
I wouldn't even call him an underrated actor. He's not
on this list, but he hasn't really translated his success
into film. He's been in some good movies, but I

(11:25):
really wouldn't consider him to be a movie star. So
he's not on my list, but she comes in at
number three on my top five. At number four, I
have Andy Serkis, who you would recognize his face. One
of his most recent big roles and favorites of mine.
He was Alfred in The Batman was Robert Pattinson, which
I feel like was a good update to Alfred, making

(11:46):
him a bit younger. But where I feel Andy is
really underrated is his voice acting and his motion capture acting,
which he was Caesar in the Planet of the Ah movies,
the most recent reboot the Voice of Caesar, and he
also did all the motion capturing. So Andy would put
on this suit that has all these little attachments to

(12:08):
it that they could track all of his motions, so
whenever he does all the expressions with his mouth and
his face, that is what you see in the movie.
And it's not a new concept, but Andy is somebody
who has done such a good job on it that
it transcends the animation and you can see him in
all of the times that he does this motion capturing.

(12:31):
So the argument is, and the reason he hasn't been
nominated for an Oscar for this work because he was
also the voice and did the motion capture for Gollum
and Lord of the Rings. He was also the Supreme
Leader in the latest Star Wars reboot, so this is
what he is known for now. But the reason he
hasn't had a nomination even though he's done it on
such a massive scale. I think this is a good

(12:54):
discussion to have, and I hope in the future that
they change the way that you can be nominated for
an Oscar or even Golden Globes, because I think voice
acting is such a big part of filmmaking and there
isn't an award for that. You still get nominations for
Best Animated Film, but it just goes to the entire film.
You don't have your individual performances, even though there are

(13:16):
such amazing voice actors out there, people like Andy who
should be nominated for their work. These movies would not
be the same without him, and I think that is
so undervalued. I guess the discussion would come down to you, well,
do you nominate the person who is doing the voice
or is doing the motion capture, or do you nominate

(13:37):
the people who actually do the animation and all the
technical aspects of that.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
Where does the real award go?

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I think a place to start is to give these
people behind the voices and behind the motions, because it
is astounding to me somebody as talented as he is
and is such an integral part of film and movie history,
doesn't have a nomination to his name. That is why
Andy Serkis is on my list. And next up rounding

(14:04):
out the top five is Gary Oldman. You would probably
know best as Serious Black and the Harry Potter movies,
or Gordon in The Dark Knight and The Dark Knight Rises.
He also played Harry Truman in Oppenheimer most recently last year.
Of those top three, it's so hard because Gary Oldman

(14:26):
is somebody that is such a great character actor. If
you put up on a wall a still of all
the characters he has played in all of his movies
from one to the other, he can look completely unrecognizable.
And it's not just the makeup, it's not just the wardrobe,
but it's also his skills as an actor that I
feel are so underrated. I mean to be Serious Black

(14:50):
and also Harry Truman. That's quite the range just right there.
He also played Winston Churchill in Darkest Hour, proving that
he can transform time and time again. So for his
best role, I would have to go Serious Black and
Harry Potter, even though I think he said pretty recently
in an interview that he did not like his performance

(15:12):
as Sirius Black in those movies. So not only is
he a great actor, he is incredibly humble and does
not get the credit he deserves. So those are my
top five. I have some honorable mentions, and I have
some that you listed on social media when I asked
the question. First up on my honorable mention, I have
Willem Dafoe. I think his best movie because I'm a

(15:34):
Spider Man fan, is Spider Man One. He also did
a really great job and No Way Home Coming Back
as the Green Goblin. He's fantastically quirky in movies like
Poor Things.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
He can go to.

Speaker 1 (15:46):
Really weird realms in movies like the Lighthouse with Robert
Pattinson also does some great voice acting. He was Gil
the Tank Leader and Finding Nemo, The Black and Whitefish
that helped Nemo break out and get back into the
ocean after being trapped into that fish tank. Is also
heavily involved in Wes Anderson movie like The Grand Budapest Hotel.

(16:06):
He was also in The French Dispatch, even though probably
one of my least favorite Wes Anderson movies. And then
most recently he was in Asteroid City, and he also
is in so many movies that you kind of forget.
He was also in American Psycho and those are only
listening to the movies where he is a supporting actor,
because he's also a fantastic lead in movies like The
Last Temptation of Christ and movies like Light Sleeper. My

(16:29):
favorite thing about Willem Dafoe is how expressive his face is.
When Willem Dafoe gets a big grin on his face,
I get a big grin in my heart. Another one
on my list is Mi a Goth, and the reason
is because I think Jenna Ortega right now gets the
crown for the scary movie Queen because she's really dominated
that genre and TV shows like Wednesday, but also in

(16:51):
the Scream franchise.

Speaker 2 (16:53):
She's gonna be in Beatlejuice two later.

Speaker 3 (16:55):
This year.

Speaker 2 (16:55):
But Mi a.

Speaker 1 (16:56):
Goth, has done such a great job at really a
establishing herself in that genre, most famously an Ex and Pearl,
but also in movies like Infinity Pool. So I would
actually argue that she is the raining scary movie queen
over Jenna Ortega. She just doesn't get that credit. I'll

(17:16):
run through a few more on my list. I also
have John Boyega, who did such an amazing job in
a movie called Breaking, which was based on a true
story of his character who was a veteran then he
stopped getting all of his checks from his fund so
decides to walk into a Wells Fargo branch and hold
everybody hostage. And it was a movie and story about

(17:39):
just this regular guy trying to get what was owed
to him and had to go to such extreme links
just to be heard. And this movie has a very
very limited cast therefore relies so much on John Boyega's
performance and he completely crushes it. And you probably know
him best as Finn in the Star Wars movies. He

(18:01):
was also in a great Netflix movie with Jamie Foxx
called Day Clone Tyrone, And I feel like if they
were going to recast Jonathan Majors as King in whatever
They're gonna do with the Avengers now in that whole
King Dynasty, I think it should be John Boyega. I
also have Tony Collette, who I was first introduced to
in a TV show called The United States of Tera.

(18:22):
She's also in one of the best horror movies of
the last ten years, Hereditary, which I would consider to
be her best and most recognizable role. She was also
in Little Miss Sunshine and Knives Out. She is also
someone like Gary Oldman who has such a great character
actor and has such a fantastic range. And finally on
my list, I have Lakeith Stanfield, who in the last

(18:44):
few years has earned top billings in movies and has
become a really great lead, but I still feel like
he does not get that recognition.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
He deserves.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
One of my favorite movies of his as a sci
fi movie called Sorry to Bother You. But he's also
done great supporting roles in Uncut Gems, Judas in The
Black Messiah, Get Out, Knives Out. I even enjoyed him
in The Haunted Mansion last year, which kind of went
under the radar, maybe shouldn't have been made, but there
were still some fun parts in that. But I think
My favorite role of his is outside of movies and

(19:14):
in TV. One of my favorite comedies of the last
ten years is Atlanta, which was such a unique show
and probably not for everybody, but it has Keith Stanfield,
of course, Donald Glover, and Brian Tyree Henry, who you
could argue all three of those actors are underrated. Some
of the actors you guys sent in on X and

(19:35):
Facebook and Instagram were Walter Goggins, who right now I
am really invested in Fallout, and I think Walter has
had a little bit more of a career in TV
shows than movies. So I tried not to get heavily
into TV underrated actors, but I could see where that
one could make the list. Big Will Oakley on X
said TJ Miller. TJ Miller was crushing comedies for a

(19:59):
really long time. He was almost on pace to become
the next Seth Rogan. But I almost feel like TJ.
Miller maybe upset some people, and to me kind of
feels like he got black balled in Hollywood, maybe unfairly.
Kind of seems like a dude that would walk that
line of being canceled, which I think he was for
a bit, But I did really enjoy him in office
Christmas Party. Javier on X also said Hugo Weaving was

(20:22):
probably best known for movies like The Matrix, v for Vendetta,
and then probably at the top of that would be
Lord of the Rings and then Erica on Facebook said
stan Lee Tucci, which I wholeheartedly agree with. I mean,
he was great in The Hunger Games. I also liked
him as the dad on Easya. His less of the
movies goes on and on, so he is a great

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addition to this list. Today, you have a bunch of
actors you need to check out more of their work.
We'll come back talk about Civil War, and in the
trailer park we'll get into the new Scarlett Johansson and
Channing Tatum movie. Lit me to the movie. Let's get
into it now. A spoiler free movie review of Civil War,

(21:05):
a review I've been itching to do because this is
a movie you're going to watch and no matter who
you are, you're gonna have an opinion on it, whether
it be you love it or you hate it. This
is a movie that is going to make you feel
and I feel like A twenty four just put out
one of the most significant movies of the year for

(21:26):
that reason, and this is their most expensive movie to date,
costing fifty million dollars. They spend a lot of money
on promotion, which I haven't really seen a twenty four
do on a massive scale, throwing the trailer everywhere, getting
people talking about this movie, and what they really sold

(21:46):
to us was a story about a second Civil War
in a post apocalyptic America where.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Tensions are grunning high.

Speaker 1 (21:57):
You have a story that when we saw the trailer first,
it very much echoed what is happening in the country now.
And I think that is why this trailer in this
movie had so much impact, because it's something that we
see and we think, oh, we're about two steps away
from that actually happening, and it very much felt like

(22:17):
it was going to be a very sci fi dystopian
war movie, and just it being an A twenty four movie,
I am instantly sold. Have been a fan of the
studio for a very long time. They have earned that
right for me. Anything they put out, I'm gonna watch it.
It might not be first run in theaters, but eventually
I'm going to watch every A twenty four movie. It

(22:40):
has been that way, probably for me since twenty nineteen
and this is a movie that I do think everybody
should give it a chance and watch it. But the
entire time, I was expecting a different movie, and it's
because of the trailer, and even though I read what
the plot line was going into it, I still had
those initial impression from the trailer of.

Speaker 2 (23:01):
It being a war action movie.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
And the more I ran into how they were promoting
the movie and going back and reading the synopsis, which
i'll read it now, a journey across the dystopian future
America following a team of military embedded journalists as they
race against time to reach DC before rebel factions descend
upon the White House. In my head, it's still going
to be an action war movie, even though right there

(23:28):
in the description it says it's about journalists racing against time,
and that is exactly what this movie was, and it
took me a little bit to get used to that.
If I wouldn't have seen that trailer and had those
feelings of it being a war movie, this movie probably
would have been a five out of five for me.
So it's almost a movie I need to watch again
because I had a much different perception of it based

(23:50):
on all the promotional materials, which is what a trailer
can do. It wants to get the butts in the seats.
That is the point of a trailer, and through editing,
choosing what parts of the movies you use, because they
use some parts that sell it that way, almost out
of context. And I'm not trying to rag on the

(24:10):
movie here. I'm not trying to rag on A twenty four.
Just for me, I thought that is what it was
going to be. And if you would have just told me,
or even changed the title to Civil War Journalism, civil
War Reporting, the New Civil War Reporting, something along those lines,
I would have had a different feeling going into it.

(24:31):
It would have been enough to tell me it's an
a twenty four movie about journalists and here is the
dark side of reporting on very awful things, which is
what the movie does. Kirsten Duntz is a seasoned war
reporter photographer, and the question she brings to herself to
her and Kaylee Spiney's character in the movie, is at

(24:51):
their job to ask questions or are they just there
to photograph the war and send the photos home and
let the people at home answer the questions? So what
does their morale as journalists as press play into this
because you are taking pictures of very awful things, but
is it just you providing that service to take those pictures?

(25:13):
At times it reminded me of Nightcrawler with Jake Gillenhall,
and the entire moral of that movie was if it bleeds,
it leads, and how far will you go to get
that blood on the screen to get viewers to watch
and how much is really overstepping the bounds. That is
what these journalists are struggling with because they are trying

(25:35):
to get to DC, to get to the president before
these rebel factions, as the description says, get to them
first so they can get an interview, and they are
documenting everything along the way, and they're very awful things.
There are very intense moments in this movie that will
just have your stomach and nods, and I like movies
that do that. The last movie that really had my

(25:57):
stomach and knots like this was another a twenty four film.

Speaker 2 (26:00):
Uncut Gems.

Speaker 1 (26:01):
I love being on the edge of my seat, feel
like I'm about a puke everywhere because of the anxiety,
and I'm already an anxious person.

Speaker 2 (26:08):
I already drink way too much coffee.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
So I love kind of living in that, I guess,
and when a movie can do that, I'm just, oh,
that is my favorite experience because I rarely go into
a horror movie and experience the fear. You have to
give me something that makes me feel anxious.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
So if you don't like.

Speaker 1 (26:25):
Those types of movies, I don't think this is the
movie for you. Because Kelsey watched it with me. She
does not really like movies they give you that anxiety,
and there were moments in this movie that were very
hard for her to watch because they are so shocking.
Some of the action style is very blunt when it
comes to the actual war scenes in the movie and
all the people fighting against each other, and those moments

(26:49):
are few and far between, and it took me, i
would say, the better half of the first act to
really realize that they weren't going to dive so much
into what caused the Second Civil War, why exactly everybody
was fighting. They really almost make that the b story.
This Second Civil War just happens to be happening, and

(27:12):
really what they are looking at and discussing is the
morale of these journalists. So they kind of give you
little clues here and there with some of the other characters,
revealing different things about why they are fighting, revealing why
everybody hates the president, why they're going there, and why
it has gotten so bad. It's also a commentary on

(27:34):
how different people accept or don't accept the Second Civil War.
Some people are engaging, some people are fighting one way
or the other, and some people are choosing to believe,
like the saying the trailer, that nothing is happening and
then everything is good. Once I got into the idea
of okay, this is really just a movie focusing on

(27:55):
the morales of journalism. And also it's really just a
road trip move not so much a war movie, because
there are these war sequences and battles that happen, and
they're there with the soldiers documenting that and seeing some
very brutal things. But it's really just them traveling to
DC hundreds of miles and bonding as a group and

(28:19):
going through all of the kind of tropes that you
would see in a road trip movie. And I love
me a good road trip movie. Wasn't really expecting that here,
so I don't want to say it was a little
bait and switchy, but it just led me to believe
that it was going to be all action all the time. Now,
if I watched this movie a second time, knowing what
I know now, I think I would completely love it anymore.

(28:42):
No knows, because it is a powerful movie, although I
do feel like at times it's a little bit pretentious
Alex Garland, which a lot of people were kind of defending, Oh,
you're going into an Alex Garland film, you should know
what to expect. But I feel like at times he
sacrificed making an entertaining movie just all the way through,

(29:03):
making it a fun ride and really giving us characters
we could bond with and grow with and feel for,
which I think the movie did miss a lot of
opportunity with character development. Wagner Mora in particular. I know
he's a good actor. I watched Narcos. He was great
as Pablo Escobar, but I found him really unbelievable in

(29:23):
this role, to the point that it really took me
out of it and almost like it was stuck in
second gear. That I was really waiting for it to
ramp up a little bit more, a little bit more.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
And it never quite got there. Even at the very end.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
I feel like it should have been way more satisfying
and exciting and exhilarating. For as much as our characters
have been through, it didn't really feel like they grew
as people.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
And then the.

Speaker 1 (29:49):
Outcome was kind of just oh, all right, all right,
we'll see you later. It just felt like it really
kind of went out like if you were just kind
of blowing out of what because you and at the
very end, it just like like that is how this
movie left me feeling.

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Needless to say, it was still a.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
Very entertaining ride, a lot of ups and downs, and
it did have those moments of tension. I know it
probably sounds like I hated the movie, but I feel
with an A twenty four film, with an Alex Garland film,
I'm gonna be a little bit overcritical, mainly because I
think a movie like this is just fun to discuss,
because I love movies that create a conversation among people,

(30:30):
that divide people, that make people want to see it
more based on some people hating it. So I think,
no matter what, I was gonna have a little bit
more of a heavy hand on some of the criticism
just because I thought this was gonna be.

Speaker 2 (30:45):
My next favorite movie.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Didn't really land into a top tier film for me,
but it was still a really fun watch.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
I saw it in thirty five millimeter, which.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
Means that most movies you go see in normal theaters
chain theaters, they're usually all digital now, which is really
all the same. But for me sometimes I just like
watching something in thirty five millimeters, which means they actually
have the film real that they load up, put it
on a projector, and for me.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
It just gives like that extra level of warmth.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
You can see some of the flickers on the screen,
you can hear it going in the theater during the
quiet moments. But I will say that seeing it in
a theater with the big sound, being able to experience
it with other people did add another level of enjoyment.
A movie that creates tension and makes you feel stressed,
I think is best experience in a theater. But if

(31:37):
you are somebody who is a little bit squeamish doesn't
like feeling like that, I would say probably wait until
it's streaming. That way, you can hide underneath the cover,
underneath a pillow or something, or even just turn it
down a little bit whenever those moments happened, because it
does get really loud, really quickly, so once I got
into the idea of the story, I really enjoyed it

(31:59):
because I love an a twenty four film, obviously, I
love a road trip film. Kirsten Dunst is amazing, and
I'm glad to see her in a role like this,
where she was out speaking recently of saying there was
a time in Hollywood she was only being offered roles
that were sad wife, sad mom. So I loved her

(32:19):
at the forefront of this movie. Her husband, Jesse Plemmons
was also in it, and like I was saying earlier,
such an underrated actor, and he just makes a movie
instantly better. The only thing I really wish they did
differently was give his character more screen time, because when
he was in the movie, oh, it was great. You

(32:41):
get a glimpse of it. If you've seen the trailer.
All you have to do is throw Jesse Plemmons in there,
and it makes any movie better. I'll stand by that
all day. But overall, I am just glad that this
movie is succeeding. Made twenty four million dollars it's opening weekend.
With that debut, it became A twenty four's biggest debut
of all time, So that proves that all of that

(33:03):
extra marketing they did the trailer it worked. It got
people into the seats, it got people talking. It did
what they needed it to do because it cost them
fifty million dollars to make, which is their most expensive
film to date, and just by comparison, before Civil War,
their highest opening weekend was Everything Everywhere, all at once.
That only made five hundred thousand its opening weekend, so

(33:26):
huge for them. Again, A twenty four is still a
smaller studio, and you see the twenty four million dollars
and things, that's kind of a flop. Other movies come
out and make fifty million dollars. Easy Done doesn't wake
up for less.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Than eighty million dollars.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
I mean, just four or five years ago, a big
movie would make one hundred to one hundred and fifty
million dollars.

Speaker 2 (33:47):
But for that previous.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
Opening that was their highest for it being kind of
the start pre sum are blockbuster season. This is great
for them, and this is what they are trying to
venture into more of creating these movies that feel like
two hundred million dollar blockbusters, which is what all the
other studios are able to do.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
They don't have that kind of money.

Speaker 1 (34:09):
Fifty million dollars is a lot for them to spend
on one movie, But they are looking to create more
movies like this, more action, big franchises is what they
are looking to do to make their studios sustainable because
they always put out movies that are unique that audiences

(34:30):
really identify with that we feel like we're not just
getting a remake, We're not just getting the same thing
we've seen a million times.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
So they really value the.

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Relationship they build with this cult following that is the
A twenty four fan base. But obviously you need the
money to back it up because you can't continue to
sustain that unless you are making these movies that are
grossing more at the box office. You make a movie
that is able to generate this and it's able to
fund all the other projects, which I think is what

(35:00):
they are.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
Trying to do right now.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
So overall, I think it is a very noteworthy movie.
Just know, if you haven't seen it yet, change your
expectation a little bit. If you've seen the trailer and
just know it's not going to be all action all
the time, and it might not be for you if
you don't like movies that induce anxiety, although I do

(35:22):
think seeing it on the big screen does take it
up another level that's not for you. It is definitely
still a watch at home movie. I think everybody should
give this movie a shot, and for that reason, I
give Civil War four out of five photographs.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
Look at this photograph. It's time to head down to
movie Mike.

Speaker 1 (35:47):
Trailer, Paul, so many of you sent me this trailer.
I remember when this movie was announced with Scarlett Johansson
called find Me to the Moon. I thought it was
gonna be interesting, and I will watch anything Scarlett Johansson
is in. I kind of forgot this trailer was coming out,
and then everybody was saying, oh, you got to check
out this trailer. You got to talk about this trailer,

(36:09):
and I think I know the reason why.

Speaker 2 (36:11):
I will get into all that.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
But the movie is called fly Me to the Moon.
It's coming out this summer on July twelfth. It is
an Apple Original movie, meaning it'll come out in theaters
and then in a month or so it'll go on
to Apple TV. Plus they should take a while because
Argyle came out at the beginning of the year in
February and just now came on Apple because they're wanting

(36:34):
people to go into the theater to watch these movies.
But by the looks of this trailer, it is not
what I was expecting. The movie is about Scarlett Johansson's
character who is assigned to NASA basically to make them cool.
The movie is set in the nineteen sixties. She plays
a marketing executive hired by NASA to film a fake
moon landing in case the real mission fails. And I

(36:57):
think that is the reason so many of you sent
me this trailer is because on the main show I
work for the Bobby Bone Show or I'm a head
writer there, the topic comes up a lot whether or
not the moon landing was real, whether it was fake,
whether we ever went to the moon, whether anybody can
go to the moon. So I'll address those conspiracy theories
and how I think it is working into the hype

(37:20):
being built around this movie, which so far there have
only been a couple real defining Apple originals, one being
well the one for them that won Best Picture CODA
and last year I would say Killers of the Flower Moon.
Are there two real pillars of movies, and they've been
putting them out consistently, but still just really haven't had

(37:41):
one that has been a success in the theater run
as well as a success once it goes to their
streaming service. So could fly Me to the Moon finally
be the movie for that? We'll see before I get
into more about who is all in this movie, more
about the story. Here's just a little bit of the
fly Me to the Moon trailers.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
Say marketing specialists, Man, you are them very best.

Speaker 3 (38:05):
What are you doing?

Speaker 2 (38:06):
I tracked you down because I felt me in a connection.
What I'm joking. I'm working here now to sell the movie.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
This is not something that you sell.

Speaker 2 (38:15):
The jingle and a slogan and undone those men are
gonna be bigger than the peoples. We can't afford to
lose to the Russians. We need to shoot backup version
of the moon land. You mean to fake it.

Speaker 1 (38:34):
So let's break down first the voices you heard in
that trailer. Of course you heard Scarlett Johansson. She meets
Channing Tatum's character. It looks like they go to a
diner because the movie you said in the sixties. She
sets her dress on fire. He puts out the fire
by throwing his jacket on the flame. And he's an astronaut.
The next day he shows up for work and Scarlett

(38:54):
Johansson is there. So right out the bat, what I
was not expecting from this movie is that it is
is a comedy drama, almost of the rom com variety,
and I think it really plays into this story really
well because it could have just been a traditional historical.

Speaker 2 (39:10):
Piece, which Apple loves.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
There are two things they are really into right now,
historical dramas and anything with space. They have TV shows
like For All Mankind Constellation, which I started Constellation and
I love things about space, I love things about aliens,
but I just couldn't quite get into that show. But
I think this one kind of bridges that gap of
you have the A list stars with scar Joe and

(39:34):
Channing Tatum leading this movie, and then you have a
little bit of sci FLI influence, not so much, but
anything that has any kind of spaceship or rockets Apple
just loves. And then you have a little bit of history.
And the movie is clearly playing into all of the
conspiracies that revolve around the moon landing, and that is

(39:55):
what people have been saying for years, that we fake
the moon landing. The whole thing happened on a set.
If you go back and watch the original footage, you
can see the wires hanging down from people, you can
see the camera tracks. All these theories go around the
moon landing. So I love the idea of making a
film of saying, Okay, here's the reason why all the

(40:15):
conspiracies exist. Because in the trailer of this movie, they
talk about wanting to beat the Russians to space and
they're gonna do it, and they bring Scarlet Johansson into
make people care about NASA, to turn these astronauts into
rock stars. So they have all this hype going, and
they're saying, by building up this hype, by creating this

(40:38):
aura around NASA, now we cannot fail.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
So just in case, for some reason we get.

Speaker 1 (40:44):
Up there and our equipment fails, we need to have
this all filmed and ready to go. We can just
push in a tape, hit play and tell everybody this
is live, whether or not we go through the moon
at all. So movie will probably get into the ethics
of that. It looks like Channing Tatum's cariacter is going
to be highly against hiring actors and faking this.

Speaker 2 (41:05):
But what I was saying.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
Earlier about Civil War putting out movies that create a conversation.
That is exactly what this movie is going to do,
because you're going to have the people who have been
saying for a long time, all these conspiracy theorists, saying,
this is how they did it, this is why they're
making this movie, and this can become your foundation and

(41:26):
your argument, even though this movie isn't based on anything factual.
I'll also commend them on not using the Frank Sinatra
song in the trailer. I'm sure the urge and the
idea was there, but maybe that was a little bit
too on the nose, or it was just really expensive
to license that song, or maybe it's because this movie
actually had a different title when it was first announced

(41:49):
and being worked on. It was originally called Project Artemis,
which that gives me an entirely different feeling when I
read that. That sounds more like the boring period piece.
And Jason Bateman, the actor, yes, was actually directing this
movie first. He eventually left and they brought in Greg Berlanti,
who also did a movie I really like called Love Simon,

(42:11):
And the part that went to Channing Tatum was originally
being played by Chris Evans, which honestly would have been
cool to see that version Black Widow and Captain America
teaming up again in another movie. But I have to
say Channing Tatum does not get the credit he deserves
when it comes to comedies. He is actually a really
great comedic actor with really great timing. The first time

(42:33):
I really had that perception of him was whenever he
did the twenty one and twenty two Jump Street movies.
And I feel like he's always been type cast as
the good looking, muscly guy. And some people are saying
that he looks a little out of place in this
trailer because it takes place in nineteen sixty nine and
he doesn't really look like somebody living in that time period.

(42:53):
But I would just say that he feels out of
place really in every movie that he's in because of
how good good looking he is, how many muscles he has.
He is always just gonna stand out in any single
film except maybe Fox Catcher. So unless he's playing an
athlete or dancing, he's probably gonna look a little bit
out of place. But I still found the delivery of

(43:15):
his lines in this trailer to be pretty comical. You
also have Woody Harrelston Ray Romano Jim Rash who you
might not be familiar with his name, but he plays
the dean on Community and I am still deep into
my community rewatch, because the entire joke on that show
was they're gonna get six seasons in a movie. And

(43:36):
now it was announced that the script is done and
they're gonna film the Community movie, and his character is
such a big part of that, and they're bringing back
a lot of the original cast, So hopefully this movie
is a big success for him and carries on that
momentum over to that Community movie. It kind of reminded
me a little bit of Air that came out last year,
which everybody said, how are you gonna make a movie

(43:57):
about a shoe? And what we got actually was a
movie about the marketing of the shoe, and how dramatic
that was. I thought that was going to be the
similar treatment for this movie, and I did not expect
that part to come in there at the end of
them saying, oh, we're actually gonna fake the moon landing.
So it goes from Scarlett Johansson trying to market NASA

(44:20):
to suddenly being in control of one of the biggest
historical events in American history. This movie has a budget
of one hundred million dollars, which is pretty substantial. I
think that's primarily due to the level of cast that
it has, but also Apple really doesn't cut corners when
it comes to cinematography and production, so that is always

(44:40):
what I have to look.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Forward to in an Apple movie. I know it is
going to look great.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
So after Argyle, in my head, I was thinking, I'm
just gonna wait for Apple Movies to come out on
the streaming service before I go see him in theaters.
But this trailer left me feeling pleasantly surprised. So this
is a movie I will be checking out on July
twelveth and buying it to the conspiracy theories. And that
was this week's edition of Movie b Framer Bar And

(45:06):
that is gonna do it for another episode here of
the podcast. But before I go, I gotta give my
listeners shout out of the week. How do you get
a listener shout out of the week. All you have
to do is comment on one of my videos on
TikTok or Instagram. You can go over to my Facebook page,
Facebook dot com slash Mike dstro comment on.

Speaker 2 (45:23):
A post over there.

Speaker 1 (45:24):
Try to keep all that up to date, or you
can follow and subscribe on YouTube, where I post individual
movie reviews. So if you ever miss a specific movie
that you're thinking of checking out, just go over to
that YouTube page and find it all individually, watch it
and listen to it there. But this week I'm going
over to Instagram and it's actually a comment I got

(45:45):
two months ago and have been holding onto. This week's
listener shout out of the Week goes to Brian Lott
we Left to comment back on the review I did
for Madam Webb, and Brian wrote, I hate when people
describe a movie as cheesy and you it every single episode,
and I commented back, I wasn't angry. I love constructive criticism.

(46:06):
I can take it. I can even take the negative
feedback because I get it all the time. Just look
at the YouTube comments. Everybody hates me over there, so
go subscribe and help me out, because oh that's a
rough place. But I saw this comment and I thought
about it. I went back and listened to some of
my reviews, and I always like to switch up how
I say things on this podcast. A big thing that
I try to avoid saying is movie all the time,

(46:29):
even though there are only so many words you can
use to describe a movie, a film, or a picture.

Speaker 2 (46:34):
But if you listen.

Speaker 1 (46:35):
In the last few weeks as well, I've also tried
to switch that up because when I do cut these clips,
I realize that I say words weird.

Speaker 2 (46:41):
I am not the best talker.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
You should hear me edit some of these episodes because
I cut out a lot of things that I do
mess up.

Speaker 2 (46:47):
But I took this one to heart, Brian, because I'm.

Speaker 1 (46:50):
Always interested to hear what you guys want me to
do differently, So in the last two months, I have
not said the word cheesy on purpose, and there have
been times where I've said and I've gone back and
restated what I meant to say by using a different
phrase because I was.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Thinking of Brian.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
I didn't want to be annoyed listening to the podcast
hearing me call movies cheesy. Even though some of these
in the last two months have been I found other
ways to criticize them, Brian.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
So that was all for you.

Speaker 1 (47:16):
Thank you for those notes, thank you for listening, thank
you for being subscribed, And until next time, go out
and watch good movies and I will talk to you later.
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