One of Mike’s favorite movies of all-time is Twister (1996). He’s seen it over 50 times and was pumped to talk to the director Jan de Bont. Mike talks to him about what lines were improvised, the entire cast getting along and bonding, the hardest scene to film and if there’s anything he would change about the movie. If you haven’t seen it or it’s been a while…you’re in luck! Twister has been fully restored and is coming to 4K UHD for the first time you can own it on July 9th. In the Movie Review, Mike talks about The Bikeriders starring Austin Butler and Tom hardy. It’s about a Midwestern motorcycle club. Mike shares why the movie is hard to watch, Austin Butler as a leading man and what could have been done to make the movie more impactful. In the Trailer Park, Mike talks about Long Legs which is being described as the scariest movie of the year. Mike plays some of the chilling sounds from the trailer and why he loves the marketing for the movie.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie Podcast. I
am your host Movie Mike today. Oh it's a special episode.
One of my favorite movies of all time is Twister,
and I get to talk to the director, John Devont.
It's gonna be awesome. I want to get this episode
started right away so we can get into that interview.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
In the movie review, I'll be.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Talking about Austin Butler's performance in The Bike Riders and
what made that movie difficult.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
To watch for me.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And in the trailer park, we are dipping into the
horror genre once again because a movie called Long Legs
is being described as the scariest movie of the year,
and I want to share some haunting sounds from the
trailer with you. So thank you for being subscribed. Shout
out to the Monday Morning Movie crew.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And now let's talk movies.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
In a world where everyone and their mother has a podcast,
one man stands to infiltrate the ears of listeners like
never before in a movie podcast. A man with so
much movie knowledge, he's basically like a walking imtb Wood's
glasses on the Nashville Podcast Network. This is Movie Mike
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Movie Podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
About to get into my interview with Jan Debond, who
is the director of the original Twister, which came out
back in nineteen ninety six, almost thirty years since this
movie has been in existence, and it is the movie
in my filmography of watching movies that I have watched
the most. If you are a listener of this podcast
and part of the movie crew, you know how much
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I love this movie. Talk about it all the time,
and still to this day, I rewatch it with Kelsey
at least once or twice a year. For the longest time,
my brother and I refer to this movie as our
sacred movie because we felt like it was a perfect
film that could not be touched. And I'll even talk
about in this interview why this movie was so special
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to me. So I have seen it a record amount
of times. But if you've never seen it, first of all,
where have you been? It is the disaster film in
my opinion, because it goes way above just being a
movie about people racing twisters. There is so much more
there to dig into. Or if you haven't seen it
in a while, you're in luck because it has been
fully restored and it's coming to four k UHD for
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the first time on July ninth, and for me, I
love it when movies get restored because it almost feels like,
even though you can't erase a movie from your memory,
when it is restored, you can go back and maybe
catch things that are a little bit more clearer on
the screen because they've been restored. So I feel like
it's the closest you can get of rewatching something for
the first time. It'll also be available everywhere digitally on
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July ninth on Prime Video, Apple TV, and more. You
want to go watch it before the new one comes out,
I highly recommend it. But right now, here's my conversation
with director yondbant Hey.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It is Mike from Moving Mike'sweet podcast.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I am great.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I just want to say that Twister is one of
my favorite movies of all time. It is the only
film out of any movie that I've seen over fifty times.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I make a point to read Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Since I was a kid, I watched this movie, and
the reason I have so to bond with it is
I grew up in a trailer park and I was
terrified of tornadoes, and by watching Twister, because if a
tornado came through the trailer park, we were done for
So I was always freaked out watching the news.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I just had all this.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Anxiety, and I would watch Twister because it almost helped
me deal with that anxiety. If I can literally watch
the worst possible scenario of what could happen, it kind
of helped me work through that. So that is why
I've seen it so many times.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Oh wow, wow, Wow, that's amazing. I mean, I mean
I never heard somebody saying it for fifty times, but
that must be a record bike that. The funny thing
is that it is still a very watchable movie. It
still feels like it could happen today. And the way
it is filmed, the excitement, and the cast they all
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like still today's people. They're not like from a different period,
even though thirty years ago. I think that's why it's
so relatable. It's very relatable this movie. I mean, everybody
can see themselves more or less being a storm chaser,
being want to be that. Everybody likes danger. There's some
some to some decree and that both wouldn't want to
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go that far bad people who are really willing to
go in cars and drive towards that's pretty insane situation,
and but they exist. And they are they are they
love it, but they also they love the science line
it too. I was fired someone that met a lot
of them. That is not only the fact it's not
only the the the adrenaline that that it creates. It's
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also really like we really want to see and photograph
it and show to people. And that was really pretty
surprising to to to to really to really see that happen.
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And I think the other thing is it's not just
a movie about people chasing tornadoes. It's also a story
of all these people who are just friends, but also
the story of Bill and Joe of going there to.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Get the paper signed.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
That's the whole reason he shows up back there, and
you have that threat throughout the entire movie, of the
tension between them. I think it's something I probably didn't
appreciate as a kid. As an adult I understood it
and how that was really that was the story. You
could almost make a movie where you take away the
twisters and it's just Bill and Joe.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
You could make a movie like that. That wouldn't be
as exciting, I think. But no, but of course that
is that is true. Of course that's whole that whole
idea of that team and how they get along, and
the relationship to Bill and and and and and talent
that was like that was that was the story, that
was the plot, and and how that kind of they
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started in intermingle more and more and more and and
and because seeing that happen, that's also because it got
closer again, of course, and youvolve when you wasn't in
danger and other people have to come and help you.
It is it's changed relationships and shape bombs.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So when it comes to just the camaraderie that you
feel from the cast, I think the best example of
that is the breakfast scene where everybody just they're having
literally what looks like the best meal ever, and you
just feel that bond between everybody. Everybody gets their moment
to shine, everybody's getting in their jokes. What was it
like filming that scene. Was it a much larger scene
that was cut down to what we saw in the
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movie or was it all on the page?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
It was most of it was on the page, And
also quite a bit was improvised because I told them
what I said, this is okay if you step on
somebody's line, if you want to say, just jump in
and then you can come back to that later and
let that all happen. And when you have a bunch
of people that get along really well, they are fine
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with that. They wouldn't get mad as you if you
just stap on somebody's line, they would just come back later.
And so I really wanted that to happen. Said, don't
be afraid. It's a fun scene. It has to be
a fun scene for you guys having a great time.
You having a really great meal after being in the field,
not eating anything or just cookies whatever, what you have
in the truck.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
But this is like a really a scene in which
showcase of friendship, and they're the friendship in the way
that everybody accepts the sort of weaknesses and strengths, and
it becomes like one one group.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
The whole scene is based but the group and nothing else.
And I agree, I love that scene. I really totally,
really really excites me. It's still fun to once.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Was that your philosophy throughout the other parts of making
the movie, aside from that of letting people improvise, since
you do have these just huge personality Bill Pax and
Philip Tymore Hoffman, and they're doing these scenes together. Were
you okay with them just throwing different lines in there
that were in the.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Script, Yeah, but only only if they still would would
move the movie forward. I mean sometimes it came up
with sentences or I mean never long sentences, so that
that actually would help to see and then I definitely
let them do it. I mean that the screenplay is
like based on a little bit how storm chasers talk. You know,
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we we listened to them many times and we met them,
and so it has had to resemble that. So and
does people stalk, no to stop? Basically all of them
they all talk at once and then and you pick
up something that you pick up something him or her.
So it is it is.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
It is a little bit like the same way as
they would act in real life. And Bill, if they
would have been, if this would be all real storm Chases,
pe wouldn't talk much different.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Being that I have seen the movie over fifty times,
I know every single scene down to the every single line,
and for me, there was nothing, there's nothing I would
change about the movie. I think it is a perfect film.
But for you, now, almost thirty years since it's been out,
how often do you rewatch it?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And is there anything you would change.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
It's a question that I've been asked many times. Is
it going to be a director? Scott always asking me
directors to what do you mean? Well, I'm really big
director makes directors. Now everything is in the movie. This
is my movie. I don't have anything. I don't want
to put any deleted scenees in. We work really hard
to make this and this works perfect. Why would you
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add seen or take things out that either already work
and change it with something else. I mean, there was
at one point there's some studios were worried about about
that the audience would not understand the idea of getting
those little balls in the air with a little and
they had to be explained exactly they see it. They
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don't have to You don't have to explain they can't
see goddam happening. So why would you really, really really
haven't seen? And people explaining that, and I had to
film it. But then also most of it restrow back
argant because it was completely redundant, and because the whole
thing is a little bit It is not only a
movie and told by sentences, by by dialogue. It's about
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the whole physical reaction to of all the people towards
what they what they encounter. It's there to get onness.
It's there that being upset or angry at disorder and
them getting changing again. That was that was my whole call.
I didn't want any anything that looked like a real movie,
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like a regular movie. It should see, not a real movie,
like a react of what you people sit down and talk.
It's like even that. That's why the scene on the
tape because they sit around the table, but then he
sent up and not sent up, and he grasps over
the table and give me some of that. So they're
almost doing things while they havn't. This discussion, this funny discussion,
and that's I love that. I think it's so good.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So there's nothing you would change.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But that was the most physically or not physically, but
just the most the hardest scene to just tackle that
had maybe a lot of production elements to it, or
it were just so time consuming. You're like, that almost
killed us, but we got it in.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
There Actually just quite a few of those things because.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
There was a lot of practical effects too.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
It was at the special effects like for instance, like
when the combine has fell from the air and the
tractors fell from the Yeah, to really get that timing eye,
there's a helicopter really flying clothes over the cars, and
and there's Helen and Bill driving the car and they
had to maneuver that way around. I mean, the thing
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would fall down and it could fall down there, and
they quickly would have to react and respond to that.
So I was filming them at the same time as
that as when it as when it happened, so that
I would have the responses to the real action in
front of them. And of course we I had such
good relationship and with special effects, I knew it was
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gonna be okay, especially the pilot, and I communicate with them,
but I was I sat in the car with them too,
by the way, but it's happened. So you sit in
the car and you measure and now and then I
knew how many seconds it would take to hit the ground,
and then I let so. And when Bill heard me say, now,
they knew something was going to happen, but not exactly what. Yeah,
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and that boom that the combinder file and those things
that was really cumbersome to set up and really have
this so many moving parts, and that was tough, and
I was so happy that that was done.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, I really appreciate the time.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I'm now gonna go watch it for a fifty first time,
So thanks for.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Talking to me. Okay, that was awesome, y'all.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I hope I didn't fanboy too much there. There was
so much more I wanted to get into with him,
but obviously only.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Have a limited amount of time.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
The one thing that I didn't get into that I
wanted to I wanted to share with him my favorite
quotes from the movie and get some behind the scenes
about it.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But since we ran out of time, I will share
with you.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well. My top three quotes are from Twister at number three.
My favorite scene in the movie that doesn't involve a
Twister is the one we were talking about earlier during
the interview when they all go to Meg's house that
have breakfast, and this is the quote that gets us.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
There food.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
We are absolutely not going. That is one that I
would quote a lot every time I was hungry. I'd
be like food, food, crave sustenance.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That is number three at number two is a classic
and involves my favorite character in the movie that isn't
a human, that isn't a Twister. It is the cow
I gotta go, Julia, we got cow. And then when
they see the other cow, another cow. Now, actually I
think that was the same one. I don't know whose
idea it was to put the cow scene in the movie,
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but it provides such a great little moment of comic relief.
And also the cow ended up making the poster on
a lot of different variant covers because if you get
the new four k UHD you see the cow up
there too. So I always love that quote, but at
number one we'll say it as a curse word in it.
But it's probably the quote out of the entire movie
that I have said the most. It is whenever Bill
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Paxton is driving. Bill Paxton is at his best in
this movie. When he's delivering just a vulgar line, he
really gets into it. I love his performance in this movie,
and this by far is the best example of that.
This entire sceneonas son of a Bitch, What is that, honey?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Jonas Miller, he's a nightcrawler.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
We all start out in the same lab that Jonas
went out and got himself.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Some corporate sponsors. He said it for the money, not
the science.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
He's got a lot of high tech gadgets but he's
got no instakes.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And he doesn't have Dorothy.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I love that quote.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Probably my follow up to that one when it comes
to a Bill Paxton quote is whenever he goes to
fight Jonas and he's like, Jonas, you took her, your
damn thief.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So that was my top three. That was the interview.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I'm gonna post a clip of it on my TikTok Instagram,
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the Week from those comments. We'll come back with a
spoiler free review of The Bike Riders. Let's get into
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it now, a spoiler free.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Movie review of The Bike Riders.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
This is another movie that got me with a TikTok ad.
I was scrolling through my for you page and I
saw one of those sponsored ads. Sometimes they get people
to review movies, they pay them, and I never watch
anybody's review going into a movie because I don't want
any outside influence.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I want to have all my own thoughts.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But I stopped on this one just because I saw
it was sponsored, and the very first thing this person
said was one of the most anticipated movies of the summer.
And I kept scrolling right after that when I realized
they were talking about the Bike Riders, because I didn't
want to hear it. But also, this is not one
of the most anticipated movies of the summer. It's been
out a couple weeks now. At this point, I'm recording
this a little bit ahead, fresh off of just seeing
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it the opening weekend. There was no buzz around this movie,
and Austin Butler is arguably one of the biggest actors
right now, fresh off of Dune.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
He was Elvis.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I think this is the first time so far that
I've not really seen him do.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
That Elvis voice.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It was released at a time where maybe studios were
afraid of inside out to having just a dominant second week.
So hey, let's put up something that's a little bit
counter programming, appeals more to men. Maybe we can sneak
in there and have a bit of a sleeper pick.
Opening weekend made about ten million dollars, so maybe that
didn't pan out so well. And I'll say at the
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beginning of this review, because I'm gonna get into a
lot of the negative. Overall, I don't think it was
a terrible movie. I just think there wasn't enough story
to warrant a two hour movie. What this movie is about.
It's based on a book of this reporter that traveled
around with a Bite gang, based on the real life
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Chicago Outlaws motorcycle club that rayan rampant in the nineteen sixties.
They took that book turned it into a movie. Austin
Butler plays a guy named Benny who is in the
motorcycle Gang.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
He is this outlaw, a guy who plays by his
own rule.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Rull was a loose cannon, really one of the wildest
people in this motorcycle gang. Tom Hardy plays the head
of the club and he was like the father figure,
the one everybody has to turn to to make any
decision in the club, and overall supposed to be a
pretty tough dude. And then Austin Butler's character falls in
love with the woman played by Jody Komer who she
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ends up being the one narrating this entire movie. So
it is a oral history of the motorcycle Gang. You
have the actual interviewer, which is one of the guys
from challengers interviewing her, primarily her voicing.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Over a lot of the dialogue.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Telling a lot of the story through that interview, and
then you also have the reporter interviewing other people in
the motorcycle gang. So that is not really the format
I was expecting based on the trailer I saw. I
thought it was just going to be a straight ahead
motorcycle greaser movie, which there really aren't a whole lot of.
If I had to compare it to some of the
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best ever made, you got to go back to movies
like The Outsiders, even movies like Greece, which is more
of a comical type of movie as far as it
doesn't really take the motorcycle Gang that seriously. It's just
a fun musical. So I think there's always a really
really fine line to walk when making a movie about
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a motorcycle gang, especially taking place back in the sixties.
How do you make it feel real and how do
you make it just have a sense of authenticity. So
maybe that's why they decided to tell it this way,
because they wanted to base it on the book. They
wanted it to be as accurate, even though they don't
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use the Chicago Outlaws motorcycle club name.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
They are called the Vandals.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
The problem I had with the format of this movie
is by doing it through interviews and having this voiceover,
it took away a lot of impact, hacked throughout moments
of the story because you have the narrator telling you
exactly what is going to happen before you even see it,
taking away some of that impact. There were a lot
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of moments that I felt were greatly spoiled because it
was her saying so and so happened to this character,
and then you're like, well, that happened to that character,
and then you see the actual scene, which took away
overall of just feeling anything for anybody with all the
hardship that they end up going through, the overall just
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craziness of being in a motorcycle gang. I didn't really
feel it. And the thing is they keep telling you
how crazy this gang is and how much they are feared,
you don't really ever see it a whole lot. There
are some moments where Austin Butler starts to get into
some fights, he's running from police, and you think, all right,
I want to see.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
More of this. But overall, when.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
You are telling the story of these people who are
supposed to be so bad that are feared by other
motorcycle games. Even Tom Hardy's character, who is the head
of the gang and if anybody has a problem, they
have to go to him and challenge him, fight him
sometimes in order to have any kind of change made
within the club.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I didn't really feel any qualifiers for his character that.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
He was this ba dude who could take on anybody,
who could inflict a lot of pain on somebody, but
also take it. And me, as the viewer, I found
them all to be kind of fragile characters of thinking
they're probably gonna get their butt kicked because they haven't
really proven to me that they are that hardcore. So
I think they missed some moments to show you how real,
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awesome and gritty they were, and instead you get a
really spacey type of movie where it feels like the
action was almost an afterthought. As much as Tom Hardy
tried really hard, I think some of the assets around
him just weren't really that powerful, one of those being
that Austin Butler just fell a little bit overly stoic
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in this, and maybe that's just his style of acting,
being a little bit aloof and mysterious, and his character,
I just didn't really feel it from him, and I
feel like he's kind of relying a lot on his
looks right now, because even at the start of this movie,
what his love interest was so attracted to with him
is that he stood out from all the other guys
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and he was so attractive, and that was kind of
his whole and moment throughout the film of him, like
adjusting his hair, talking really soft, not really saying a
whole lot, and then just him just standing there smoking
cigarettes drinking beer. By the way, this movie did make
me want to buy a motorcycle, smoke cigarettes, and drink beer.
That's the only real thing it made me want to do.
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It made me want to be a degenerate. But his
character was just so aloof he tries to go through
these developments as a person throughout the film. He's almost
like a tough nut to crack. The love interest is
really trying to get through and change him a little bit,
and you never really see that process happen. But what
was my biggest struggle with the movie? Like I said,
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it almost felt like they didn't have enough to make
an entire film out of.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
But I feel like it didn't really.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Get to the main story until that very third act,
Almost those last twenty thirty minutes, it felt like, Oh,
that is the story right there. This is what this
entire movie should have been about. And it would have
been way more impactful if it wasn't in this narrative
format where it's just an oral history. It should have
been entirely focused on. Forget Austin Butler's character, It should
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have been so much focused on Tom Hardy's character, who
I found the most interesting, who I felt the most
for throughout this film. It should have been told entirely
from his perspective, remove the reporter aspect, and just show
everything that his character goes through. Less of the love
relationship with Austin Butler and Jody Comer, like, make that
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the b plot, make it all about Tom Hardy and
not even so much about the formation of the club,
but what they get into the third act and how
they deal with the changing of the times, which I
found to be the most interesting. It reminded me of
one of my favorite movies of old time, No Country
for Old Men, of dealing with a new type of
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criminal where you were a little bit more old school,
where at a time where maybe crime was a little
bit more wholesome, which is what this movie started dealing with.
Of in their motorcycle gang, there were certain rules, but
at the end of it, nobody was really doing anything
overly violent, aside from fighting with people, maybe slashing a
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couple faces every now and then with a switch blade,
but overall they were able to get along with other people.
They weren't doing really any violent crimes. But as you
move out of the sixties going into the seventies, you
see more struggle of these new people coming in and
being just more crazy and reckless and not caring about
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any of these established rules that I think the movie
should have focused more on the changing of the guard
between the old school between the new school, and I
just thought it was kind of funny to look at
a time where being in a motorcycle gang was kind
of wholesome and to have that ripped away from you.
I think to talk about that more and to show
that more with Tom Hardy's character would have been way
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more interesting. The other really distracting part was all of
the accents that were going on. I almost feel like
every actor went into their own process of how they
were going to tackle the accent, and what you ended
up getting was just a kind of mess of all
these people trying all different types of things. Therefore, it
made a lot of the dialogue feel less authentic and
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a little bit corny. And that is that line you
walk with a movie like this on motorcycle clubs and
motorcycle gangs. It made it just feel like biker cosplay.
Even though the war in this movie who was fantastic.
I like that they all look super dirty. If anybody
had a white T shirt, it had all this crap
all over it. So it did benefit by having a
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great wardrobe department, but the performances and the overall tone
of the story didn't really match the one performance I
was surprised by, even though at this point I should
not question this person whatsoever? Was Michael Shannon. You put
him in anything and he instantly makes a movie better
and will start acting circles around everybody else. If he
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would have had more screen time, I feel like he
would have been ten times better than everybody else in
this movie. And for somebody like him, who can really
do any type of thing, well, it just shows you
how great of a character actor he is, because if
more of these actors had his approach and just his
talent to make it feel more authentic. I think overall
the entire movie would have benefited from it, because at
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the end of it, it almost just felt like a
Marlborough ad come to life. Although I did like the
way this movie looked. The color palette was very warm,
and it had that almost old fifties sixties photograph feel
to it. It had all the makings to be a
real cinematic Darling. I think they could have done a
really good job addressing more the toxic masculinity and the
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inability for men to have healthy relationships with other men,
especially where you're supposed to be so hardened and so
in a mindset of nothing bothers you you can't cry.
I feel like if they really would have brought that
idea home turned up some of these performances, this could
have been a film in a discussion for Best Picture
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because all the elements were there. It just fell flat
in a lot of places. I think with a few changes,
it could have been a much better movie. I still
enjoyed it overall, it was a little bit boring at times.
It did feel a little bit like why exactly was
this movie made.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I still feel.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Like Austin Butler has a lot to do in order
to grow as an actor. Tom Hardy can really do
anything he wants right now, put out a movie like
this and then go be Venom. I'm still all on
board for Tom Hardy. Just wasn't my favorite performances from
either of them, but for the bike Riders, I give
it three out of five Leather Jackets.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
It's time to head down to movie Mike treylar Hard I.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Am always on the quest for my next favorite horror movie.
You know, last week I was talking about Smile Too,
and I just started get itching for something scary to watch,
even outside of spooky season. I think everything gets crowded
around October late September. I want a horror movie. Now,
give them to me all throughout the year. I like
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one in January, I like one in February, March. Whenever
you can give me a horror movie, I will take it.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
And back.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
When I went to go see Immaculate in theaters about
a month maybe two months ago with Sidney Sweeney, I
didn't go watch it with her, she's in the movie,
but they showed a trailer for this movie called Long Legs,
and I remember watching it thinking, Hey, that actually looks
pretty good, but I kind of forgot about it. I
see so many trailers, see so many movies, sometimes they
just kind of slip my mind. But then I was
on TikTok the other day, and rarely do I stop
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and watch an ad, but this ad for this trailer
came up and it was Long Legs, and I was like, oh, yeah,
that looks really good. And they are claiming in that
trailer that they are promoting on TikTok that it's gonna
be the scariest movie of the year. So that led
me to believe, Okay, I gotta go dive into this
trailer again and let you guys know if it really
looks like it's gonna be that good. It's coming out
on July twelfth. It stars Michael Monroe, who at a
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time back in the twenty tens, whenever she came out
in a great horror movie called It Follows, I thought
she was going to be the next big thing in horror.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
She really got her start there.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
She was being dubbed at that time the scream Queen,
and this is kind of her returning back to her roots,
even though that movie only came out ten years ago,
but we'll talk more about her. She plays a character
in this movie who was an FBI agent named Lee Harker.
She is assigned to an unsolved serial killer case that
takes an unexpected turn revealing evidence of the cult.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And this trailer is so trippy.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It has so many cool visual effects that I'll get into.
It also has just really great sound design. And what
I really love about this trailer before I play it
is unlike last week when I was talking about my
issue with Smile Too showing you all the scary parts,
this trailer doesn't do that.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
It really just gives you the vibes.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
It's almost like going to a Pinterest board and getting
ideas and seeing things like that is what I want
a trailer to do. Just give me the Pinterest board
version coming out pretty soon on July twelfth. Now here's
just a little bit of the trailer. Is it scary
being a lady FBI agent?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
A little was left with the bodies.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Sign of one word. I saw a beast strays up
out of the sea with seven heads and ten horns.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Now did that sound get you? What a haunting sound?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So again it's about Lee Harker, who is assigned to
this unsolved serial killer case. She discovers that there's a
personal connection to the killer and she must stop them
before he strikes again. You also have the one and
only Nick Cage in this movie. But if you go
watch this trailer, which I highly encourage you. If a
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movie like this is interesting to you and you're thinking
about going to see it, go watch this actual trailer.
I will link it in the episode notes because I
think this is one you need to see and it
has this almost eighties seventies style horror vibe to it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
If it had that old school voiceover guy.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
It would definitely feel like that. But like I mentioned,
Nick Cage is never shown in this trailer, which I
think speaks vavolumes to have somebody at an a less
status of Nick Cage.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well, it could be one or two things.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Maybe you don't want to show him in the trailer
because then people would feel a certain way about it.
But I feel coming from a studio like Neon, which
he does have a relationship with, I feel like you
would show his face in order to tell people, hey, look,
Nick Cage is in a new horror movie. And I
think The reason for them not to actually put him
in the trailer or in any of the promotional materials
that I've seen is because they believe so much in
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the story, but also it probably creates a lot more
of a mystery. You do hear his voice there, So
here's just a little bit of Nick Cage's voice in
this movie. So that's creepy in itself. He is going
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to be the Long Legs character. I'm not sure that
we're ever gonna get a full reveal of the monster
in this movie, but if we do, I'm glad that
I didn't waste it or even give us a glimpse
of it in the trailer. The whole idea of long
Legs kind of reminds me of the slender Man, which
was a myth on the internet. They also made a
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movie on that, but it has that urban legend vibe
to it. Again, I just keep going back to some
of these sounds, all the sound effects using this trailer
to create this weird, creepy feeling. I just love it,
Like I don't know what that sound is. Again, I'm
sorry if I'm freaking you out, but it freaked me out.
I don't know how you make this sound, I'll turn
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it down a little bit like that is just creepy
in itself, and I imagine myself in the theater watching
it and being able to feel that in my chest.
That is the feeling that I crave and the feeling
that I search for when going to watch a horror movie.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
So I am really looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
The only thing I can't get a grasp on with
these movies that are about one character researching something is
that sometimes you can cut a trailer to make it
look like it's gonna have a lot of action, make
it look like there's gonna be a lot of scary elements.
But then once you go watch a movie like this,
sometimes it's so spacey and drawn out. So I think
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the key to this movie being good or not is
going to be the pacing, because I have no doubt
that we're gonna get a great performance from Michael Monroe, who,
like I was mentioning earlier, is in a fantastic horror movie.
That was her breakthrough role. It follows if you haven't
seen It follows. For a while in the twenty tens,
it was my go to horror recommendation. It was between
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It follows Your Next and The Conjuring, which is probably
my favorite of the twenty tens, but it follows, is
such a good movie. She plays a character who is
a teenager. She hooks up for the first time, and
then she finds out this evil demonic entity latched onto
herself and that is the way that this d goes
from one person to the other. So a great horror movie.
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Go check it out on Netflix. But she is so
good in that movie, and now is her return to horror,
going back to her roots from only ten years ago.
I can't wait to see how she takes on this role.
I also just watched her in a movie called The Stranger,
which was originally a mini series. They came out in
twenty twenty, so even though it came out a while ago,
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what they did was re edit the TV show into
a movie and it just was added recently on Hulu.
I watched it and it's a pretty good watch. I
thought she did pretty good in it. I can kind
of tell that it felt a little bit like a
TV movie because that is initially how it was put
out into the world. But I think it's interesting that
people kind of recognize that essentially mini series that come
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out now are really just long movies. So I think
that is an interesting way to approach media and take
something that is already out and existed in the world
and turn it into something new, which I think that
could lead to something down the road of doing it
the opposite way.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I love long movies, but by.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Doing this podcast, I hear that a lot of people
hate long movies. Some don't want to go to the
theater and watch a two and a half three hour
movie because they think that is too long. I think
you can get to a point where you put out
a movie in theaters it's two and a half three
hours long, and then later you get a director's cut,
and usually the director's cut is much longer. I think
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instead you get a director's cut where it's sliced into
smaller digestible pieces and put on the internet like a
mini series. You could do that for people who want
to consume it that way, and then you could do
the opposite. If a movie does really well as a
mini series, take out the filler episodes and then put
the best of into one movie. Because I will continue
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to defend long movies, but what I don't get is
when people defend TV shows that start out slow or
have boring episodes and say, oh, it's a building episode,
take that out, cut it up, put it into a movie,
and then I'll watch it. So that was the only
recent example I saw of someone doing that, and I
hope that other people get an idea to take some
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existing content and package it in a different way and
see if it's more successful with streaming, there are no rules.
But back to long Legs, I think this movie is
crushing it with all of the promotion they are doing.
They did a really interesting thing rolling out the full
trailer back a couple few months ago, where they would
just poset random videos on Neon's YouTube channel with no
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attachment to the movie. They just had really simple titles
and were very ominous, like this one that just had
some old photos from a family and a nine to
one one call over it time on.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
What's your reversion?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Pate, that's my daughter?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I kind of be quiet.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Sea daughter.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
How creepy is that?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I just love the idea that they are doing and
making this movie feel like it actually exists in our world.
I think they are playing off the fact that a
lot of people are obsessed with true crime. I myself
have a little bit of a problem getting into it,
just because it's weird to get so involved in real
people's lives who lost people tragically, and for us to
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take that and turn that into content. Some movies are
even hard for me to watch that are based on
true events where those people are still living. Mainly you
get TV shows and podcasts that do that. I try
not to dabbling it anymore because it just feels weird
and eerie to me and a little bit disrespectful to
some of those people's families who are still dealing with that,
and suddenly their actual lives are turned into content that
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other people are just digging up and not thinking about
those people.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
But here I feel better about it because.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Because none of this stuff really happened, but they are
creating that same kind of world. Here's some evidence, here's
some nine to win one calls. We'll post this like
it's actual fact on our YouTube channel and not even say, hey,
here's some promotional material for long legs. Just put it
out there into the world and let people dive in,
eat it up as they will, and they get like
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half a million views on every video like that. That's
twenty second song. Great marketing. I hope that the movie
delivers definitely when I'm going to check out in theaters,
because I want that feeling, I want to feel that sound.
I want to see all these images on the big screen.
Because as I was watching the trailer on my laptop,
I noticed it was like dark, and not just the.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Imagery was haunting.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
It was actually so dark that I had to turn
up the brightness on my laptop to be able to
see it. It kind of reminded me of watching certain seasons
a Game of Thrones where it was so dark that
we all had to adjust our TVs so we could
just see what was going on. It was just people
fighting in darkness. And as I did that, I noticed
that there were some hidden things in there. There's one
point where you see a character just draped in this
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black sheet, almost looks like a nun, but without the
face hole exposed. If you have your screen all the
way up, you see this white figure face almost like
the Nun from the actual horror movie The Nun. It's
just this white, pale face, this demon hiding in there,
but you couldn't see it unless your screen brightness was
all the way turned up. So I love those Easter
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eggs as well. Again, I'm gonna link this trailer in
the episode notes so you can catch those things for yourself.
But again, the movie is coming out on July twelfth.
I'm sorry you had to get that in there again
and that is gonna do it for another episode here
of the podcast. But before I go, I gotta give
my listeners shout out of the week this week. I'm
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going over to my email where you can send me notes,
you can send me ideas for podcasts, just react to
the episodes.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Whatever you want to let me know it.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
So for all my people who maybe aren't on social media,
hit me up move d at gmail dot com. This
week's listener shout out of the week is Noeh, who
wrote me this comment and said, Hey, Mike, love the podcast,
look forward to it every Monday. I know you read
comic books. I was wondering if you have a po
box where I could send you a couple comics I
think you would enjoy. They are similar to the movies
that you like. Thanks Noeh, so I appreciate that. Noeh,
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thank you for being a part of the Monday Morning
Movie crew and also being a fellow comic book reader.
I've gotten so deep into comic books. I've gotten a
little bit out of collecting the old school comics. I've
found pretty much all my major key issues that I
was looking for, and all the ones that I would
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want to have are way too expensive. I'm talking hundreds
and thousands of dollars. So unless I find a really
good deal on some of the old school Marvel comics
that I don't have yet, i think I'm a little
bit out of that game. But I'll always keep my
eyes open. But right now, I'm just deep into current
runs of Deadpool.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Deadpool and Wolverine. Also currently loving Venom, Separation Anxiety are
my three favorites to read right now. So thank you.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
No, I always appreciate that I always feel weird about
getting things just because I feel like I'm just the dude.
I don't deserve you guys to send me anything, but
since they are comics, I don't mind checking it out.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
So appreciate that in a way.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Thank you right now for listening, whether you're in your car,
at the gym, listening on your headphones, or hopefully not
creeping outside my window. And until next time, go out
and watch good movies, and I will talk to you later.
Hello, and welcome back to movie Mike's movie Podcast. I
am your host Movie Mike today. Oh it's a special episode.
One of my favorite movies of all time is Twister,
and I get to talk to the director, John Devont.
It's gonna be awesome. I want to get this episode
started right away so we can get into that interview.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
In the movie review, I'll be.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Talking about Austin Butler's performance in The Bike Riders and
what made that movie difficult.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
To watch for me.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
And in the trailer park, we are dipping into the
horror genre once again because a movie called Long Legs
is being described as the scariest movie of the year,
and I want to share some haunting sounds from the
trailer with you. So thank you for being subscribed. Shout
out to the Monday Morning Movie crew.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
And now let's talk movies.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
In a world where everyone and their mother has a podcast,
one man stands to infiltrate the ears of listeners like
never before in a movie podcast. A man with so
much movie knowledge, he's basically like a walking imtb Wood's
glasses on the Nashville Podcast Network. This is Movie Mike
(01:04):
Movie Podcast.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
About to get into my interview with Jan Debond, who
is the director of the original Twister, which came out
back in nineteen ninety six, almost thirty years since this
movie has been in existence, and it is the movie
in my filmography of watching movies that I have watched
the most. If you are a listener of this podcast
and part of the movie crew, you know how much
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I love this movie. Talk about it all the time,
and still to this day, I rewatch it with Kelsey
at least once or twice a year. For the longest time,
my brother and I refer to this movie as our
sacred movie because we felt like it was a perfect
film that could not be touched. And I'll even talk
about in this interview why this movie was so special
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to me. So I have seen it a record amount
of times. But if you've never seen it, first of all,
where have you been? It is the disaster film in
my opinion, because it goes way above just being a
movie about people racing twisters. There is so much more
there to dig into. Or if you haven't seen it
in a while, you're in luck because it has been
fully restored and it's coming to four k UHD for
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the first time on July ninth, and for me, I
love it when movies get restored because it almost feels like,
even though you can't erase a movie from your memory,
when it is restored, you can go back and maybe
catch things that are a little bit more clearer on
the screen because they've been restored. So I feel like
it's the closest you can get of rewatching something for
the first time. It'll also be available everywhere digitally on
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July ninth on Prime Video, Apple TV, and more. You
want to go watch it before the new one comes out,
I highly recommend it. But right now, here's my conversation
with director yondbant Hey.
Speaker 2 (02:43):
It is Mike from Moving Mike'sweet podcast.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
How are you?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
I am great.
Speaker 1 (02:47):
I just want to say that Twister is one of
my favorite movies of all time. It is the only
film out of any movie that I've seen over fifty times.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I make a point to read Wow.
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Since I was a kid, I watched this movie, and
the reason I have so to bond with it is
I grew up in a trailer park and I was
terrified of tornadoes, and by watching Twister, because if a
tornado came through the trailer park, we were done for
So I was always freaked out watching the news.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
I just had all this.
Speaker 1 (03:12):
Anxiety, and I would watch Twister because it almost helped
me deal with that anxiety. If I can literally watch
the worst possible scenario of what could happen, it kind
of helped me work through that. So that is why
I've seen it so many times.
Speaker 4 (03:25):
Oh wow, wow, Wow, that's amazing. I mean, I mean
I never heard somebody saying it for fifty times, but
that must be a record bike that. The funny thing
is that it is still a very watchable movie. It
still feels like it could happen today. And the way
it is filmed, the excitement, and the cast they all
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like still today's people. They're not like from a different period,
even though thirty years ago. I think that's why it's
so relatable. It's very relatable this movie. I mean, everybody
can see themselves more or less being a storm chaser,
being want to be that. Everybody likes danger. There's some
some to some decree and that both wouldn't want to
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go that far bad people who are really willing to
go in cars and drive towards that's pretty insane situation,
and but they exist. And they are they are they
love it, but they also they love the science line
it too. I was fired someone that met a lot
of them. That is not only the fact it's not
only the the the adrenaline that that it creates. It's
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also really like we really want to see and photograph
it and show to people. And that was really pretty
surprising to to to to really to really see that happen.
It's really good.
Speaker 1 (04:40):
And I think the other thing is it's not just
a movie about people chasing tornadoes. It's also a story
of all these people who are just friends, but also
the story of Bill and Joe of going there to.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Get the paper signed.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
That's the whole reason he shows up back there, and
you have that threat throughout the entire movie, of the
tension between them. I think it's something I probably didn't
appreciate as a kid. As an adult I understood it
and how that was really that was the story. You
could almost make a movie where you take away the
twisters and it's just Bill and Joe.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
You could make a movie like that. That wouldn't be
as exciting, I think. But no, but of course that
is that is true. Of course that's whole that whole
idea of that team and how they get along, and
the relationship to Bill and and and and and talent
that was like that was that was the story, that
was the plot, and and how that kind of they
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started in intermingle more and more and more and and
and because seeing that happen, that's also because it got
closer again, of course, and youvolve when you wasn't in
danger and other people have to come and help you.
It is it's changed relationships and shape bombs.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
So when it comes to just the camaraderie that you
feel from the cast, I think the best example of
that is the breakfast scene where everybody just they're having
literally what looks like the best meal ever, and you
just feel that bond between everybody. Everybody gets their moment
to shine, everybody's getting in their jokes. What was it
like filming that scene. Was it a much larger scene
that was cut down to what we saw in the
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movie or was it all on the page?
Speaker 4 (06:12):
It was most of it was on the page, And
also quite a bit was improvised because I told them
what I said, this is okay if you step on
somebody's line, if you want to say, just jump in
and then you can come back to that later and
let that all happen. And when you have a bunch
of people that get along really well, they are fine
(06:33):
with that. They wouldn't get mad as you if you
just stap on somebody's line, they would just come back later.
And so I really wanted that to happen. Said, don't
be afraid. It's a fun scene. It has to be
a fun scene for you guys having a great time.
You having a really great meal after being in the field,
not eating anything or just cookies whatever, what you have
in the truck.
Speaker 5 (06:53):
But this is like a really a scene in which
showcase of friendship, and they're the friendship in the way
that everybody accepts the sort of weaknesses and strengths, and
it becomes like one one group.
Speaker 4 (07:07):
The whole scene is based but the group and nothing else.
And I agree, I love that scene. I really totally,
really really excites me. It's still fun to once.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Was that your philosophy throughout the other parts of making
the movie, aside from that of letting people improvise, since
you do have these just huge personality Bill Pax and
Philip Tymore Hoffman, and they're doing these scenes together. Were
you okay with them just throwing different lines in there
that were in the.
Speaker 4 (07:33):
Script, Yeah, but only only if they still would would
move the movie forward. I mean sometimes it came up
with sentences or I mean never long sentences, so that
that actually would help to see and then I definitely
let them do it. I mean that the screenplay is
like based on a little bit how storm chasers talk. You know,
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we we listened to them many times and we met them,
and so it has had to resemble that. So and
does people stalk, no to stop? Basically all of them
they all talk at once and then and you pick
up something that you pick up something him or her.
So it is it is.
Speaker 6 (08:12):
It is a little bit like the same way as
they would act in real life. And Bill, if they
would have been, if this would be all real storm Chases,
pe wouldn't talk much different.
Speaker 1 (08:23):
Being that I have seen the movie over fifty times,
I know every single scene down to the every single line,
and for me, there was nothing, there's nothing I would
change about the movie. I think it is a perfect film.
But for you, now, almost thirty years since it's been out,
how often do you rewatch it?
Speaker 2 (08:37):
And is there anything you would change.
Speaker 4 (08:39):
It's a question that I've been asked many times. Is
it going to be a director? Scott always asking me
directors to what do you mean? Well, I'm really big
director makes directors. Now everything is in the movie. This
is my movie. I don't have anything. I don't want
to put any deleted scenees in. We work really hard
to make this and this works perfect. Why would you
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add seen or take things out that either already work
and change it with something else. I mean, there was
at one point there's some studios were worried about about
that the audience would not understand the idea of getting
those little balls in the air with a little and
they had to be explained exactly they see it. They
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don't have to You don't have to explain they can't
see goddam happening. So why would you really, really really
haven't seen? And people explaining that, and I had to
film it. But then also most of it restrow back
argant because it was completely redundant, and because the whole
thing is a little bit It is not only a
movie and told by sentences, by by dialogue. It's about
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the whole physical reaction to of all the people towards
what they what they encounter. It's there to get onness.
It's there that being upset or angry at disorder and
them getting changing again. That was that was my whole call.
I didn't want any anything that looked like a real movie,
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like a regular movie. It should see, not a real movie,
like a react of what you people sit down and talk.
It's like even that. That's why the scene on the
tape because they sit around the table, but then he
sent up and not sent up, and he grasps over
the table and give me some of that. So they're
almost doing things while they havn't. This discussion, this funny discussion,
and that's I love that. I think it's so good.
Speaker 2 (10:28):
So there's nothing you would change.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
But that was the most physically or not physically, but
just the most the hardest scene to just tackle that
had maybe a lot of production elements to it, or
it were just so time consuming. You're like, that almost
killed us, but we got it in.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
There Actually just quite a few of those things because.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
There was a lot of practical effects too.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
It was at the special effects like for instance, like
when the combine has fell from the air and the
tractors fell from the Yeah, to really get that timing eye,
there's a helicopter really flying clothes over the cars, and
and there's Helen and Bill driving the car and they
had to maneuver that way around. I mean, the thing
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would fall down and it could fall down there, and
they quickly would have to react and respond to that.
So I was filming them at the same time as
that as when it as when it happened, so that
I would have the responses to the real action in
front of them. And of course we I had such
good relationship and with special effects, I knew it was
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gonna be okay, especially the pilot, and I communicate with them,
but I was I sat in the car with them too,
by the way, but it's happened. So you sit in
the car and you measure and now and then I
knew how many seconds it would take to hit the ground,
and then I let so. And when Bill heard me say, now,
they knew something was going to happen, but not exactly what. Yeah,
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and that boom that the combinder file and those things
that was really cumbersome to set up and really have
this so many moving parts, and that was tough, and
I was so happy that that was done.
Speaker 2 (12:06):
Yeah, I really appreciate the time.
Speaker 1 (12:08):
I'm now gonna go watch it for a fifty first time,
So thanks for.
Speaker 2 (12:11):
Talking to me. Okay, that was awesome, y'all.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
I hope I didn't fanboy too much there. There was
so much more I wanted to get into with him,
but obviously only.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Have a limited amount of time.
Speaker 1 (12:22):
The one thing that I didn't get into that I
wanted to I wanted to share with him my favorite
quotes from the movie and get some behind the scenes
about it.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But since we ran out of time, I will share
with you.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Well. My top three quotes are from Twister at number three.
My favorite scene in the movie that doesn't involve a
Twister is the one we were talking about earlier during
the interview when they all go to Meg's house that
have breakfast, and this is the quote that gets us.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
There food.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
We are absolutely not going. That is one that I
would quote a lot every time I was hungry. I'd
be like food, food, crave sustenance.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
That is number three at number two is a classic
and involves my favorite character in the movie that isn't
a human, that isn't a Twister. It is the cow
I gotta go, Julia, we got cow. And then when
they see the other cow, another cow. Now, actually I
think that was the same one. I don't know whose
idea it was to put the cow scene in the movie,
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but it provides such a great little moment of comic relief.
And also the cow ended up making the poster on
a lot of different variant covers because if you get
the new four k UHD you see the cow up
there too. So I always love that quote, but at
number one we'll say it as a curse word in it.
But it's probably the quote out of the entire movie
that I have said the most. It is whenever Bill
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Paxton is driving. Bill Paxton is at his best in
this movie. When he's delivering just a vulgar line, he
really gets into it. I love his performance in this movie,
and this by far is the best example of that.
This entire sceneonas son of a Bitch, What is that, honey?
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Jonas Miller, he's a nightcrawler.
Speaker 5 (14:07):
We all start out in the same lab that Jonas
went out and got himself.
Speaker 2 (14:10):
Some corporate sponsors. He said it for the money, not
the science.
Speaker 5 (14:15):
He's got a lot of high tech gadgets but he's
got no instakes.
Speaker 4 (14:21):
And he doesn't have Dorothy.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
I love that quote.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
Probably my follow up to that one when it comes
to a Bill Paxton quote is whenever he goes to
fight Jonas and he's like, Jonas, you took her, your
damn thief.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
So that was my top three. That was the interview.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
I'm gonna post a clip of it on my TikTok Instagram,
Facebook and X if you want to go over there,
comment with the secret emoji, which this week, of course,
it is gonna be the Tornado Twister emoji. Comment with that,
and I will pick next week's listener shout Out of
the Week from those comments. We'll come back with a
spoiler free review of The Bike Riders. Let's get into
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it now, a spoiler free.
Speaker 2 (15:01):
Movie review of The Bike Riders.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
This is another movie that got me with a TikTok ad.
I was scrolling through my for you page and I
saw one of those sponsored ads. Sometimes they get people
to review movies, they pay them, and I never watch
anybody's review going into a movie because I don't want
any outside influence.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
I want to have all my own thoughts.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
But I stopped on this one just because I saw
it was sponsored, and the very first thing this person
said was one of the most anticipated movies of the summer.
And I kept scrolling right after that when I realized
they were talking about the Bike Riders, because I didn't
want to hear it. But also, this is not one
of the most anticipated movies of the summer. It's been
out a couple weeks now. At this point, I'm recording
this a little bit ahead, fresh off of just seeing
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it the opening weekend. There was no buzz around this movie,
and Austin Butler is arguably one of the biggest actors
right now, fresh off of Dune.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
He was Elvis.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
I think this is the first time so far that
I've not really seen him do.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
That Elvis voice.
Speaker 1 (15:59):
It was released at a time where maybe studios were
afraid of inside out to having just a dominant second week.
So hey, let's put up something that's a little bit
counter programming, appeals more to men. Maybe we can sneak
in there and have a bit of a sleeper pick.
Opening weekend made about ten million dollars, so maybe that
didn't pan out so well. And I'll say at the
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beginning of this review, because I'm gonna get into a
lot of the negative. Overall, I don't think it was
a terrible movie. I just think there wasn't enough story
to warrant a two hour movie. What this movie is about.
It's based on a book of this reporter that traveled
around with a Bite gang, based on the real life
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Chicago Outlaws motorcycle club that rayan rampant in the nineteen sixties.
They took that book turned it into a movie. Austin
Butler plays a guy named Benny who is in the
motorcycle Gang.
Speaker 2 (16:56):
He is this outlaw, a guy who plays by his
own rule.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Rull was a loose cannon, really one of the wildest
people in this motorcycle gang. Tom Hardy plays the head
of the club and he was like the father figure,
the one everybody has to turn to to make any
decision in the club, and overall supposed to be a
pretty tough dude. And then Austin Butler's character falls in
love with the woman played by Jody Komer who she
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ends up being the one narrating this entire movie. So
it is a oral history of the motorcycle Gang. You
have the actual interviewer, which is one of the guys
from challengers interviewing her, primarily her voicing.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
Over a lot of the dialogue.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Telling a lot of the story through that interview, and
then you also have the reporter interviewing other people in
the motorcycle gang. So that is not really the format
I was expecting based on the trailer I saw. I
thought it was just going to be a straight ahead
motorcycle greaser movie, which there really aren't a whole lot of.
If I had to compare it to some of the
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best ever made, you got to go back to movies
like The Outsiders, even movies like Greece, which is more
of a comical type of movie as far as it
doesn't really take the motorcycle Gang that seriously. It's just
a fun musical. So I think there's always a really
really fine line to walk when making a movie about
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a motorcycle gang, especially taking place back in the sixties.
How do you make it feel real and how do
you make it just have a sense of authenticity. So
maybe that's why they decided to tell it this way,
because they wanted to base it on the book. They
wanted it to be as accurate, even though they don't
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use the Chicago Outlaws motorcycle club name.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
They are called the Vandals.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
The problem I had with the format of this movie
is by doing it through interviews and having this voiceover,
it took away a lot of impact, hacked throughout moments
of the story because you have the narrator telling you
exactly what is going to happen before you even see it,
taking away some of that impact. There were a lot
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of moments that I felt were greatly spoiled because it
was her saying so and so happened to this character,
and then you're like, well, that happened to that character,
and then you see the actual scene, which took away
overall of just feeling anything for anybody with all the
hardship that they end up going through, the overall just
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craziness of being in a motorcycle gang. I didn't really
feel it. And the thing is they keep telling you
how crazy this gang is and how much they are feared,
you don't really ever see it a whole lot. There
are some moments where Austin Butler starts to get into
some fights, he's running from police, and you think, all right,
I want to see.
Speaker 2 (19:51):
More of this. But overall, when.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
You are telling the story of these people who are
supposed to be so bad that are feared by other
motorcycle games. Even Tom Hardy's character, who is the head
of the gang and if anybody has a problem, they
have to go to him and challenge him, fight him
sometimes in order to have any kind of change made
within the club.
Speaker 2 (20:14):
I didn't really feel any qualifiers for his character that.
Speaker 1 (20:18):
He was this ba dude who could take on anybody,
who could inflict a lot of pain on somebody, but
also take it. And me, as the viewer, I found
them all to be kind of fragile characters of thinking
they're probably gonna get their butt kicked because they haven't
really proven to me that they are that hardcore. So
I think they missed some moments to show you how real,
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awesome and gritty they were, and instead you get a
really spacey type of movie where it feels like the
action was almost an afterthought. As much as Tom Hardy
tried really hard, I think some of the assets around
him just weren't really that powerful, one of those being
that Austin Butler just fell a little bit overly stoic
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in this, and maybe that's just his style of acting,
being a little bit aloof and mysterious, and his character,
I just didn't really feel it from him, and I
feel like he's kind of relying a lot on his
looks right now, because even at the start of this movie,
what his love interest was so attracted to with him
is that he stood out from all the other guys
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and he was so attractive, and that was kind of
his whole and moment throughout the film of him, like
adjusting his hair, talking really soft, not really saying a
whole lot, and then just him just standing there smoking
cigarettes drinking beer. By the way, this movie did make
me want to buy a motorcycle, smoke cigarettes, and drink beer.
That's the only real thing it made me want to do.
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It made me want to be a degenerate. But his
character was just so aloof he tries to go through
these developments as a person throughout the film. He's almost
like a tough nut to crack. The love interest is
really trying to get through and change him a little bit,
and you never really see that process happen. But what
was my biggest struggle with the movie? Like I said,
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it almost felt like they didn't have enough to make
an entire film out of.
Speaker 2 (22:10):
But I feel like it didn't really.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Get to the main story until that very third act,
Almost those last twenty thirty minutes, it felt like, Oh,
that is the story right there. This is what this
entire movie should have been about. And it would have
been way more impactful if it wasn't in this narrative
format where it's just an oral history. It should have
been entirely focused on. Forget Austin Butler's character, It should
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have been so much focused on Tom Hardy's character, who
I found the most interesting, who I felt the most
for throughout this film. It should have been told entirely
from his perspective, remove the reporter aspect, and just show
everything that his character goes through. Less of the love
relationship with Austin Butler and Jody Comer, like, make that
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the b plot, make it all about Tom Hardy and
not even so much about the formation of the club,
but what they get into the third act and how
they deal with the changing of the times, which I
found to be the most interesting. It reminded me of
one of my favorite movies of old time, No Country
for Old Men, of dealing with a new type of
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criminal where you were a little bit more old school,
where at a time where maybe crime was a little
bit more wholesome, which is what this movie started dealing with.
Of in their motorcycle gang, there were certain rules, but
at the end of it, nobody was really doing anything
overly violent, aside from fighting with people, maybe slashing a
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couple faces every now and then with a switch blade,
but overall they were able to get along with other people.
They weren't doing really any violent crimes. But as you
move out of the sixties going into the seventies, you
see more struggle of these new people coming in and
being just more crazy and reckless and not caring about
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any of these established rules that I think the movie
should have focused more on the changing of the guard
between the old school between the new school, and I
just thought it was kind of funny to look at
a time where being in a motorcycle gang was kind
of wholesome and to have that ripped away from you.
I think to talk about that more and to show
that more with Tom Hardy's character would have been way
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more interesting. The other really distracting part was all of
the accents that were going on. I almost feel like
every actor went into their own process of how they
were going to tackle the accent, and what you ended
up getting was just a kind of mess of all
these people trying all different types of things. Therefore, it
made a lot of the dialogue feel less authentic and
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a little bit corny. And that is that line you
walk with a movie like this on motorcycle clubs and
motorcycle gangs. It made it just feel like biker cosplay.
Even though the war in this movie who was fantastic.
I like that they all look super dirty. If anybody
had a white T shirt, it had all this crap
all over it. So it did benefit by having a
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great wardrobe department, but the performances and the overall tone
of the story didn't really match the one performance I
was surprised by, even though at this point I should
not question this person whatsoever? Was Michael Shannon. You put
him in anything and he instantly makes a movie better
and will start acting circles around everybody else. If he
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would have had more screen time, I feel like he
would have been ten times better than everybody else in
this movie. And for somebody like him, who can really
do any type of thing, well, it just shows you
how great of a character actor he is, because if
more of these actors had his approach and just his
talent to make it feel more authentic. I think overall
the entire movie would have benefited from it, because at
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the end of it, it almost just felt like a
Marlborough ad come to life. Although I did like the
way this movie looked. The color palette was very warm,
and it had that almost old fifties sixties photograph feel
to it. It had all the makings to be a
real cinematic Darling. I think they could have done a
really good job addressing more the toxic masculinity and the
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inability for men to have healthy relationships with other men,
especially where you're supposed to be so hardened and so
in a mindset of nothing bothers you you can't cry.
I feel like if they really would have brought that
idea home turned up some of these performances, this could
have been a film in a discussion for Best Picture
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because all the elements were there. It just fell flat
in a lot of places. I think with a few changes,
it could have been a much better movie. I still
enjoyed it overall, it was a little bit boring at times.
It did feel a little bit like why exactly was
this movie made.
Speaker 2 (26:53):
I still feel.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Like Austin Butler has a lot to do in order
to grow as an actor. Tom Hardy can really do
anything he wants right now, put out a movie like
this and then go be Venom. I'm still all on
board for Tom Hardy. Just wasn't my favorite performances from
either of them, but for the bike Riders, I give
it three out of five Leather Jackets.
Speaker 3 (27:18):
It's time to head down to movie Mike treylar Hard I.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Am always on the quest for my next favorite horror movie.
You know, last week I was talking about Smile Too,
and I just started get itching for something scary to watch,
even outside of spooky season. I think everything gets crowded
around October late September. I want a horror movie. Now,
give them to me all throughout the year. I like
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one in January, I like one in February, March. Whenever
you can give me a horror movie, I will take it.
Speaker 4 (27:50):
And back.
Speaker 1 (27:51):
When I went to go see Immaculate in theaters about
a month maybe two months ago with Sidney Sweeney, I
didn't go watch it with her, she's in the movie,
but they showed a trailer for this movie called Long Legs,
and I remember watching it thinking, Hey, that actually looks
pretty good, but I kind of forgot about it. I
see so many trailers, see so many movies, sometimes they
just kind of slip my mind. But then I was
on TikTok the other day, and rarely do I stop
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and watch an ad, but this ad for this trailer
came up and it was Long Legs, and I was like, oh, yeah,
that looks really good. And they are claiming in that
trailer that they are promoting on TikTok that it's gonna
be the scariest movie of the year. So that led
me to believe, Okay, I gotta go dive into this
trailer again and let you guys know if it really
looks like it's gonna be that good. It's coming out
on July twelfth. It stars Michael Monroe, who at a
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time back in the twenty tens, whenever she came out
in a great horror movie called It Follows, I thought
she was going to be the next big thing in horror.
Speaker 2 (28:46):
She really got her start there.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
She was being dubbed at that time the scream Queen,
and this is kind of her returning back to her roots,
even though that movie only came out ten years ago,
but we'll talk more about her. She plays a character
in this movie who was an FBI agent named Lee Harker.
She is assigned to an unsolved serial killer case that
takes an unexpected turn revealing evidence of the cult.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
And this trailer is so trippy.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
It has so many cool visual effects that I'll get into.
It also has just really great sound design. And what
I really love about this trailer before I play it
is unlike last week when I was talking about my
issue with Smile Too showing you all the scary parts,
this trailer doesn't do that.
Speaker 2 (29:29):
It really just gives you the vibes.
Speaker 1 (29:30):
It's almost like going to a Pinterest board and getting
ideas and seeing things like that is what I want
a trailer to do. Just give me the Pinterest board
version coming out pretty soon on July twelfth. Now here's
just a little bit of the trailer. Is it scary
being a lady FBI agent?
Speaker 4 (29:48):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (29:49):
A little was left with the bodies.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Sign of one word. I saw a beast strays up
out of the sea with seven heads and ten horns.
Speaker 2 (30:11):
Now did that sound get you? What a haunting sound?
Speaker 1 (30:16):
So again it's about Lee Harker, who is assigned to
this unsolved serial killer case. She discovers that there's a
personal connection to the killer and she must stop them
before he strikes again. You also have the one and
only Nick Cage in this movie. But if you go
watch this trailer, which I highly encourage you. If a
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movie like this is interesting to you and you're thinking
about going to see it, go watch this actual trailer.
I will link it in the episode notes because I
think this is one you need to see and it
has this almost eighties seventies style horror vibe to it.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
If it had that old school voiceover guy.
Speaker 1 (30:53):
It would definitely feel like that. But like I mentioned,
Nick Cage is never shown in this trailer, which I
think speaks vavolumes to have somebody at an a less
status of Nick Cage.
Speaker 2 (31:04):
Well, it could be one or two things.
Speaker 1 (31:06):
Maybe you don't want to show him in the trailer
because then people would feel a certain way about it.
But I feel coming from a studio like Neon, which
he does have a relationship with, I feel like you
would show his face in order to tell people, hey, look,
Nick Cage is in a new horror movie. And I
think The reason for them not to actually put him
in the trailer or in any of the promotional materials
that I've seen is because they believe so much in
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the story, but also it probably creates a lot more
of a mystery. You do hear his voice there, So
here's just a little bit of Nick Cage's voice in
this movie. So that's creepy in itself. He is going
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to be the Long Legs character. I'm not sure that
we're ever gonna get a full reveal of the monster
in this movie, but if we do, I'm glad that
I didn't waste it or even give us a glimpse
of it in the trailer. The whole idea of long
Legs kind of reminds me of the slender Man, which
was a myth on the internet. They also made a
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movie on that, but it has that urban legend vibe
to it. Again, I just keep going back to some
of these sounds, all the sound effects using this trailer
to create this weird, creepy feeling. I just love it,
Like I don't know what that sound is. Again, I'm
sorry if I'm freaking you out, but it freaked me out.
I don't know how you make this sound, I'll turn
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it down a little bit like that is just creepy
in itself, and I imagine myself in the theater watching
it and being able to feel that in my chest.
That is the feeling that I crave and the feeling
that I search for when going to watch a horror movie.
Speaker 2 (32:55):
So I am really looking forward to that.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
The only thing I can't get a grasp on with
these movies that are about one character researching something is
that sometimes you can cut a trailer to make it
look like it's gonna have a lot of action, make
it look like there's gonna be a lot of scary elements.
But then once you go watch a movie like this,
sometimes it's so spacey and drawn out. So I think
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the key to this movie being good or not is
going to be the pacing, because I have no doubt
that we're gonna get a great performance from Michael Monroe, who,
like I was mentioning earlier, is in a fantastic horror movie.
That was her breakthrough role. It follows if you haven't
seen It follows. For a while in the twenty tens,
it was my go to horror recommendation. It was between
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It follows Your Next and The Conjuring, which is probably
my favorite of the twenty tens, but it follows, is
such a good movie. She plays a character who is
a teenager. She hooks up for the first time, and
then she finds out this evil demonic entity latched onto
herself and that is the way that this d goes
from one person to the other. So a great horror movie.
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Go check it out on Netflix. But she is so
good in that movie, and now is her return to horror,
going back to her roots from only ten years ago.
I can't wait to see how she takes on this role.
I also just watched her in a movie called The Stranger,
which was originally a mini series. They came out in
twenty twenty, so even though it came out a while ago,
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what they did was re edit the TV show into
a movie and it just was added recently on Hulu.
I watched it and it's a pretty good watch. I
thought she did pretty good in it. I can kind
of tell that it felt a little bit like a
TV movie because that is initially how it was put
out into the world. But I think it's interesting that
people kind of recognize that essentially mini series that come
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out now are really just long movies. So I think
that is an interesting way to approach media and take
something that is already out and existed in the world
and turn it into something new, which I think that
could lead to something down the road of doing it
the opposite way.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
I love long movies, but by.
Speaker 1 (35:05):
Doing this podcast, I hear that a lot of people
hate long movies. Some don't want to go to the
theater and watch a two and a half three hour
movie because they think that is too long. I think
you can get to a point where you put out
a movie in theaters it's two and a half three
hours long, and then later you get a director's cut,
and usually the director's cut is much longer. I think
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instead you get a director's cut where it's sliced into
smaller digestible pieces and put on the internet like a
mini series. You could do that for people who want
to consume it that way, and then you could do
the opposite. If a movie does really well as a
mini series, take out the filler episodes and then put
the best of into one movie. Because I will continue
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to defend long movies, but what I don't get is
when people defend TV shows that start out slow or
have boring episodes and say, oh, it's a building episode,
take that out, cut it up, put it into a movie,
and then I'll watch it. So that was the only
recent example I saw of someone doing that, and I
hope that other people get an idea to take some
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existing content and package it in a different way and
see if it's more successful with streaming, there are no rules.
But back to long Legs, I think this movie is
crushing it with all of the promotion they are doing.
They did a really interesting thing rolling out the full
trailer back a couple few months ago, where they would
just poset random videos on Neon's YouTube channel with no
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attachment to the movie. They just had really simple titles
and were very ominous, like this one that just had
some old photos from a family and a nine to
one one call over it time on.
Speaker 4 (36:46):
What's your reversion?
Speaker 1 (36:47):
Pate, that's my daughter?
Speaker 2 (36:53):
I kind of be quiet.
Speaker 4 (36:55):
Sea daughter.
Speaker 2 (37:04):
How creepy is that?
Speaker 1 (37:05):
I just love the idea that they are doing and
making this movie feel like it actually exists in our world.
I think they are playing off the fact that a
lot of people are obsessed with true crime. I myself
have a little bit of a problem getting into it,
just because it's weird to get so involved in real
people's lives who lost people tragically, and for us to
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take that and turn that into content. Some movies are
even hard for me to watch that are based on
true events where those people are still living. Mainly you
get TV shows and podcasts that do that. I try
not to dabbling it anymore because it just feels weird
and eerie to me and a little bit disrespectful to
some of those people's families who are still dealing with that,
and suddenly their actual lives are turned into content that
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other people are just digging up and not thinking about
those people.
Speaker 2 (37:56):
But here I feel better about it because.
Speaker 1 (38:00):
Because none of this stuff really happened, but they are
creating that same kind of world. Here's some evidence, here's
some nine to win one calls. We'll post this like
it's actual fact on our YouTube channel and not even say, hey,
here's some promotional material for long legs. Just put it
out there into the world and let people dive in,
eat it up as they will, and they get like
(38:21):
half a million views on every video like that. That's
twenty second song. Great marketing. I hope that the movie
delivers definitely when I'm going to check out in theaters,
because I want that feeling, I want to feel that sound.
I want to see all these images on the big screen.
Because as I was watching the trailer on my laptop,
I noticed it was like dark, and not just the.
Speaker 2 (38:41):
Imagery was haunting.
Speaker 1 (38:43):
It was actually so dark that I had to turn
up the brightness on my laptop to be able to
see it. It kind of reminded me of watching certain seasons
a Game of Thrones where it was so dark that
we all had to adjust our TVs so we could
just see what was going on. It was just people
fighting in darkness. And as I did that, I noticed
that there were some hidden things in there. There's one
point where you see a character just draped in this
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black sheet, almost looks like a nun, but without the
face hole exposed. If you have your screen all the
way up, you see this white figure face almost like
the Nun from the actual horror movie The Nun. It's
just this white, pale face, this demon hiding in there,
but you couldn't see it unless your screen brightness was
all the way turned up. So I love those Easter
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eggs as well. Again, I'm gonna link this trailer in
the episode notes so you can catch those things for yourself.
But again, the movie is coming out on July twelfth.
I'm sorry you had to get that in there again
and that is gonna do it for another episode here
of the podcast. But before I go, I gotta give
my listeners shout out of the week this week. I'm
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going over to my email where you can send me notes,
you can send me ideas for podcasts, just react to
the episodes.
Speaker 2 (39:54):
Whatever you want to let me know it.
Speaker 1 (39:56):
So for all my people who maybe aren't on social media,
hit me up move d at gmail dot com. This
week's listener shout out of the week is Noeh, who
wrote me this comment and said, Hey, Mike, love the podcast,
look forward to it every Monday. I know you read
comic books. I was wondering if you have a po
box where I could send you a couple comics I
think you would enjoy. They are similar to the movies
that you like. Thanks Noeh, so I appreciate that. Noeh,
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thank you for being a part of the Monday Morning
Movie crew and also being a fellow comic book reader.
I've gotten so deep into comic books. I've gotten a
little bit out of collecting the old school comics. I've
found pretty much all my major key issues that I
was looking for, and all the ones that I would
(40:39):
want to have are way too expensive. I'm talking hundreds
and thousands of dollars. So unless I find a really
good deal on some of the old school Marvel comics
that I don't have yet, i think I'm a little
bit out of that game. But I'll always keep my
eyes open. But right now, I'm just deep into current
runs of Deadpool.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
Deadpool and Wolverine. Also currently loving Venom, Separation Anxiety are
my three favorites to read right now. So thank you.
Speaker 1 (41:06):
No, I always appreciate that I always feel weird about
getting things just because I feel like I'm just the dude.
I don't deserve you guys to send me anything, but
since they are comics, I don't mind checking it out.
Speaker 2 (41:19):
So appreciate that in a way.
Speaker 1 (41:20):
Thank you right now for listening, whether you're in your car,
at the gym, listening on your headphones, or hopefully not
creeping outside my window. And until next time, go out
and watch good movies, and I will talk to you later.
Host
Mike D
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