Mark Long from The Challenge All Stars Joins Us and Lunchbox GEEKS Out

You want to hear Lunchbox sound like a complete idiot as he geeks out talking to Mark Long the Godfather of Reality TV. From the original season of Road Rules to The Challenge and now The Challenge All Stars we talk all about life on The Challenge. Eddie and Ray have so many questions but will Lunchbox even allow them to talk? Mark Calls out Fessy and talks all about his closest friends from The Challenge.

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Yeah, he's not on video today. Okay, he's not on
video today. Okay, sorry guys, Now that's cool, that's cool.
All right. Look Mark, my name is Lunchbox Eddie say hello,
what's up? Mark? Sizzan Raimundo coach, what is up? My man?
And I gotta say, it is like an honor and
a pleasure to have the I mean, you're basically the
Neil Armstrong of Road Rules. You're the first one onto

(00:22):
the r V and you are the guy that I
grew up and I see you on TV and I
was like, I want to be that one day, Like
I want to be on Road Rules. I want to
be on Real World. And it is an absolute honor
to have you. Mark hold On. Just to let you know,
none of that happened. He never got on Roll road Rules.
Nothing ever happened in his life. Oh, thank you. So
I'm excited to be on as always, as I like

(00:43):
to say, just for you guys, I am coming in
hot and ferocious this morning, ready to just spit fire.
So thank you for having me on. Um, I love
all the compliments. Yeah, road Rules, what a special show,
especially being the premiere episode, you know, the first one.
So we didn't really have any blue printing go by.
It's kind of like the wild West back then. Um,

(01:03):
I was saying earlier. We did so much stuff on
that show that probably wouldn't have got approved in terms
of insurance reasons these days. Um nowadays. But what a
great season and what a great show. I'm still super
close with Kid from the original season. Her and I
talk all the time. But thank you guys for having me.
I love it now and I want to say thank
you to you also because because of you we have

(01:26):
the Challenge All Stars. And as a fan that I've
been watching, you know, my whole life, and I like,
I said, okay, all right, yes, I've been geeking out.
You know, I mean, all these celebrities guards us all this.
I'm like, oh so who cares? Mark Long on the phone,
So do you ever sit back and just look at
it and be like, man, I am the one. I
was the start of this amazing franchise, you know, I

(01:51):
I do actually because you know, realizing that I started,
you know, I did my first I filmed my first
show ninety four. So then to cut two that I have,
you know, Paramount plus behind us and the All Stars
that came out April one. I mean, what, that's twenty
five plus years and the fact that the fans are
still chomping at the beat, uh, you know, chomping at

(02:13):
the bit for this content is amazing. And I've had
so many people reach out to me saying, you know,
I can't believe your evolution of not only yourself in
terms of reality television, but just in terms of of
what you've done in the reality space. Um. It's funny
because a lot of the reality stars, you know, in
all the shows, they called me the godfather because I've
just been around so long. Like godfather means I'm old,

(02:36):
you know, and these I'm the older ones. But um,
I wear that hat proudly. UM. I think the evolution
of this show has been great. But what I have
found was when I when I sent the tweet out
earlier this summer to see if I would get some
traction about how would you guys feel about an all
O G challenge, it just went viral so quick, and
then US Weekly picked it up and then it went

(02:56):
to the stratosphere. So I knew there was an audience,
but just the fact that we can bring, you know,
twenty two of the most iconic figures like the shell,
Cyrus Death. You know, all those type of people back
and you know a lot of them are moms, a
lot of them are north in their personalities haven't diminished.
Their their physical skills might have diminished a little bit,

(03:17):
but their personalities have only gotten better. And that's what
people are diving into on this show. And you know,
I've had people say, you know, the nostalgic feel of
the episodes, the music, I'm smiling the entire time, And
that's exactly what I wanted to do. I didn't I
didn't want them to be explosions or us doing triathlons
every day. I wanted us, you know, in bathing suits,

(03:37):
melting ice with our asks like we used to and
see who could do it the quickest and like, and
that's what we That's what we do on this show.
It's fun, it's laid back, and the nostalgic tug on
your heart strings is massive. That's what I like to see.
Do you think the challenge because newer, newer seasons, it's
all about you have to be in shape and everybody
just works out. There's no real party and it's not
real fun. It's just real serious. Do you think The

(04:00):
Islands needs to get back to more of the fun
the ice melting, you know, the ones where the soap
were used to rub your body. I like those challenges, well,
I like I like to think of it this way.
There is now there. I Look, if you're in the
sports and you're into those super athletic, super competitive, you know,
muscle bound competitors, let them have that. Let that MTV

(04:23):
version have that. But on our show, we're gonna bring
back the melt ice with your ass. We're gonna bring
back the goofiness. We're gonna bring back the trivia of
all this ridiculous spell the simplest word, but when you're
hanging over fifty ft of water, you just lose your
mind and can't even think. So we're gonna bring back
the nostalgic feel of what the show used to be.
And I want to say, we're bringing the funny back.

(04:45):
You know, the challenge used to be fun, you know,
and we used to play for Razor scooters and temper
pedic beds back then. You can imagine how competitive we
are now with dollars on the line. I mean, we
go nuts, but we never lose sight of the fact
of why we're there, and we always look for the
fun in every episode. I mean right off the gate,

(05:06):
we had a nineties house party on the first episode.
I got so much response and people saying, that's what
we missed, Like, this is the stuff that used to
just it wasn't all about the competition. Yes, there's the competition,
there's there's fighting, there's back setting, there's hook ups, but
you have to have a blend of the fun because
people at home can identify with that. We have a

(05:27):
we have an epic um pajama party later in the season.
Um you know we we And the thing that kind
of was different with today's world is when we were
down there shooting this with the older cast, none of
us talked about Instagram numbers or social media numbers. And
I think a lot of people on every reality show

(05:47):
nowadays are so worried about growing their social media status.
And we couldn't give a flying you know what, you
can s stuff, We're done. We were too busy trying
to build fishing poles out of sticks in the backyard,
or one guy made this like makeshift bow and air
Like we were doing cool shit that people just nowadays,
they don't do. So you're glad that you weren't in

(06:10):
the social media era of the show, because I think
a lot of people feel the pressure when they're they're
getting a fighter, they suck at a challenge, and everybody
goes on Twitter is if you suck, why are you
on the challenge? You blow? Yep, and you see it.
It is. So the social media is a blessing and
a curse. Right. It's a blessing because you're up to date.
I mean you're up to sea with everything in terms

(06:30):
of new sports, whether it doesn't matter, and it gets
us the Challenge All Stars because without social media we
wouldn't have it. But yeah, keep going right exactly. But
but the curses with some of these fans and cast members.
You can instantly attack them so easy. And trust me,
I don't care if they have a thousand followers for
a hundred thousands. You know, people scroll through their stuff
and they probably see these things. And one of the

(06:51):
things that I thought was special for our our show was,
you know, we kind of have a redemption kind of
feel to it too. Because one of the gals Bes
who on the Real World Los Angeles, she did Beth
is great, so she's been known as the villain for
the past fifteen years, and you know, the girls would
kind of pick on her, maybe bully her a little bit,
and she kind of like took that role on. But

(07:13):
she's had to live with that that stigma for for twelve, fifteen,
eighteen years. But you know, on our show, it was
the exact opposite. Like everyone loved the fact that she
came back. She was the oldest cast member there. She's
fifty two years old, and she's a mom, and she's
doing these crazy things with no fear, and she kind
of had a resurgence. The fans are loving her. She's

(07:34):
still the villain, but she's like, you know, it's like
having your cool aunt show up for the house party
and she's like doing the egger bombs in the corner.
It's like that, that's Beth. So I think she's had
a resurgence and just a lot of other fan favorites
are back, and I think people are are identifying it
with more because they grew up with us. I mean,
I grew up with watching those shows as well, and

(07:55):
I was on them, so a lot of people can
identify with us rather than you know, haveing some obscure
person on a reality show that you don't know anything
about their history. How hard was it to get twenty
two people to commit to this, because, like you said,
their moms are grown ups, they have real jobs, actual lives,
mean a lot of stuff going on. So so I

(08:17):
think my major selling point to them was, Hey, you
know the regular challenge on MTV they shoot for nine
or ten weeks. We just it's impossible for us to
do that with our lives and just that the age
we're at. But you know, I said, how would you
guys feel about a two to three weeks shoot? You
think you could pull this off? I gathered eighty names
of former cast members that were totally down and ready

(08:38):
to go, So when MTV and Being and Murray whittled
them down to twenty two, it was easy. The biggest task, though,
was getting them all safely down to Argentina. We had
to quarantine for a week. We were doing COVID tests
every day. And let me tell you something this show.
When we left the airport in the United States to

(08:59):
fly down to Argentina, the cast it's like the cast
hasn't been outside in the years. They were so rowdy
on the plane just going down to Argentina in their forties.
The pilot came on and said, Hey, if you guys
don't settle down in the back, we're gonna have to
land this plane in Houston. And I was thinking, wait,
we're gonna end for this before we even start. I'm like,

(09:19):
everyone settled down, sit in your seats, and shut the
hell up, because that's how excited and rowdy these cast
members were to get down there and get going. So
in the beginning, you were part producer and then they decide,
you know what, Hey, you're gonna be on the show,
so you're you gotta get out of here. Yes, exactly.
I I have an executive producer role. And I basically
brought them a stable of cast members, bios, all their

(09:43):
information of what everyone has been up to. And I said,
look now that paramount plus and and MTV wants me
to be, you know, in the house, because it it
would have looked weird if I got this whole thing
going and I wasn't on the show, and it just
would have looked visually it was like, well, where's Mark
you started this? So once we established that, you know,
i'd you know, the format of the show. I didn't
know who the final cast was gonna be. I didn't know.

(10:04):
I didn't know that who the host was going to
be until we got down there, so I was basically
as clueless as everyone else was until I showed up
and t J gave us, you know, the the format
of the show, how much money we were possibly going
to be getting, and basically what the competitions were. So
it was cool though, because I like the fact of
not knowing anything, because no one could turn to me

(10:24):
and be like, well, what do you think we're gonna
do next week? I'm like, I don't know whatever. I'm
right there with you guys. I'm like, I hope this,
but who knows. So it was it was fun be
having that role, but it was way better for me
to be seen as a cast member this season after
starting in production. What what do you think about the
casting people from Big Brother Survivor If you were to
take over casting, how would you go about it? Would

(10:46):
you just cast totally separate and not get them from
other TV shows? I'd like to know how you would
get good because I feel, like Johnny Bonanza said, these
guys aren't really don't have the depth of the real
world or road rules people, and they have one thing.
They have athleticism, but they're dumb. They don't have personality.
So how would you change that? Well, I think what
I'm doing to change it now is I I've sent

(11:08):
messages to to MTV and being a Murray after and
I like to say that I always keep a finger
on the pulse of what the fans want, and I
knew the fans wanted this and that's why it's been
going so well. But in terms of my All Star cast,
I want to keep it real world or road rule
o g s for as long as possible. And I
don't want any not no offense. But I don't want

(11:31):
any outsiders playing in our pool, you know what I mean.
I will let them have that. And if the other
version wants to keep doing that, it's great, and I
think you know there's a there's an audience for that too.
But in terms of what I can control and what
I can lend in terms of advice, I want All
Stars to be the o g s of real world
road rules only for as long as possible now, but

(11:53):
my major goal, I'll give you guys a little scoop here,
my my, my, you know, five seven year plan is
to knock out about eight or ten All Star seasons
and then kind of like a one off not at all,
not a GC, but it kind of like a one
off super Bowl event. We have some of the old
schools go against some of these new players head to

(12:14):
head like a super Bowl and see it's put up
or shut up, and we have you know, Bessie going
into a haul brawl. Hold on as he is such
a listen, FSI is the most overrated challenger ever. Dude
doesn't win jack Ship, he doesn't. He does all they do.
I'm just gonna tell you. I understand he's six eight whatever,

(12:36):
six seven, big old football player, but they set it
up for him. Every time he goes in. It's a
hall brawl. And they do that because they keep him
on the show. He's an idiot. He can't even win
an individual challenge. I shut up with thessie, But but
how great would it be, listen, I'd love to see
you run running, so, you know, in a big super

(12:57):
Bowl event. You know, let's see what he does against
you know, someone twenty years as elder that is still
six three and a half two thirty pounds of twisted steel.
You know what I'm saying, like, let's see how he
does against that, like he can beat up Nelson or
beat up who was at the um Kyle. But you know,

(13:18):
I have a I have a fun competitive banter with
Festie and I Because everyone always asked me, how do
you think you'd do against Festie Hallbright? I said, smash him,
because hey, I have that fatherly you know, uh fatherly
uh kind of push over him. Like you know, when
you're growing up, you're afraid of your dad, whether he's
bigger or small. Y'ary's fraid of your dad. I can
go up there. I'll go up there. I'll show up

(13:39):
and I'll treat I'll treat Fessie like my child. And
he better respect me as an elder. He better be
fearing me because I I will come in there hot
and and and fast, and I will show him whose boss.
But that's here nor there. This is our show. Fessie
is not allowed to come on it, and it's all
real world road rules. Let them do their thing, We're
gonna do our thing. Well, that's music to my ears

(14:01):
that you plan on doing more of these and that
you're able because like yes said, he's an architect. How
does he just leave his architect job for three weeks
and be like, you know what, I'm gonna go out
back on reality TV. You know it's great. Is a
lot of these like yes, For instance, Kendall is a nurse,
Like I think the opportunity was just so special for
these people that their bosses or their superiors were like,

(14:23):
you know what, this is kind of a moment in
time that I think, if I don't let you go
do it, you'll regret it and probably be less you know,
positive back here in your own job. So you know, yes,
it was away for three weeks. Uh. That guy's the
most creative, you know, even keeled temper guy I've ever met.
He's he's a great addition to the show. A lot
of fans love him, and you know, I think a

(14:45):
lot of people, in terms of of having careers, a
lot of people's bosses were like all for them going.
You know a lot of people get a couple of
weeks vacationally year anyway, why not do? It's something you
you're passionate about, and it's kind of a once in
a lifetime opportunity. So I had every cast member since,
like since we wrapped, I've had every cast member that
was on the show reach out saying, hey, man, this

(15:05):
is the best thing I've done in years. It's green
at my life. I'm a better husband now, more great
with my kids. Whatever it is. But I think that's awesome.
And that's what I'm taking away the most is that
how how the fans can tune in and they're smiling,
and how the cast members had such a good time,
because look, I'm sure you know a lot of people
leave reality shows feeling, you know, jilted or have a

(15:25):
real negative taste in her mouth. No one, no one
did this. And if you notice there's a thing on
the trailer where it shows t J being really mad
because someone actually, yeah, someone queens. And I'm gonna be
honest with you. I thought it was gonna be Kindle
this week. I thought when I was watching that episode,
I was like, Kindle's all sad. At the beginning, she's
out there doing yoga for the twelfth time of the day.

(15:46):
Derek's out there talking to her and she's just like,
I don't know why I'm here. I mean, I'm not
quite sure, and then she gets thrown in. I'm like,
she wouldn't even jump off the platform and I'm like,
this girl's gonna quit. Even though she was great on
road rules back in the day, it's been so many years.
She just doesn't have it in. I was like, she's
gonna be the one that quits. And I was so pissed.
And then she gets down there and she whooped herself.
But I don't want to ruin the ending there, guys,

(16:06):
But yeah no, but but yeah, so so even the
person you'll see where's the person that leaves that t
J gets pissed and we're all shocked. But even that
person since has reached out to me and said, hey,
you know, thank you so much for bringing me down there.
I've had time to think about it. What amazing. So
even that person was has reached out. But but now
that person you won't ever bring them back, right that.

(16:27):
I don't want that. I don't want that responsibility being
on me, you know. I mean I think now that
that you know Murray so involved, I don't want to
be involved in heavily being able to lean towards certain
cast members that are my favorites because I just wanted
to be totally. I wanted to be fair, you know,
I don't want to stack the deck with my favorites.

(16:47):
You don't want to stack, Like who are you friends?
Like friends with are you like a big happy family?
You only talk to like five people on the show,
and then when they have parties you get together and
it's like, oh good, or do you keep in touch
with a lot of people? So we're on the entire
cast is on a group text chat. And what's funny is,
you know everyone is is super supportive and cool, you know,

(17:09):
and like that could never happen today and other reality shows,
like you know, the other show, like there's not everyone
on a on a text chain that's like picking each
other up and even when they get in fights. So like, uh,
I'm very close with Derek Um. Derek has been my
guy for years. Uh. You know, I've talked to him
about this old school challenge, you know, a couple of

(17:30):
years ago, about how my dream is to just bring
it back at the right time. But but so Derek,
I talked to a lot Um. I'm still very close
with Johnny. I'll be seeing Bananas Um next month in
Los Angeles. He came. He actually flew to Florida for
his birthday with Morgan and I took him out for
dinner on his birthday, and then I then I bought
him in my backyard and took him out in my

(17:52):
lake at midnight, and I was telling them that there
was alligators in the lake, and he had a myce
script on my back, like you wouldn't believe that he is,
Like he was like, please don't dump me, Please don't
tempt me. But I would say, Johnny and Derek are
ones that I keep in contact with with the most.
And you never know, I mean a couple of seasons.
If this thing goes a couple of seasons down line,
you might see the Banana Man show up on I'll starts.

(18:13):
You never know. I would love to see Bananas. I'd
love to see Abram, I'd loved I mean, there's so many.
I mean I could just name a million of them.
I want you no, No, we were, hey, we were
We were super close with Abram. He seriously, you know,
we had some bad luck at the very end before
he left, but we were Abram was ready to go.
We just had a couple of bad luck things that

(18:34):
happened with him. So but he's definitely on our list
at any point, Like maybe in the first challenge when
half the people are being saved by the guy on paddleboard.
Were you sitting there going maybe this was a bad
idea to get the O G s back out here
because we can't do no. Because I knew it was
gonna be funny, you know what I mean? Like, I
knew it was gonna be funny, and texts commentary on

(18:56):
it was so great. He made it funny. People just
love that because let me, I'll be honest with you.
The swim. The swim was easy. The fact that the
water was freaking fifty degrees is what was shutting everyone down.
It was so cold, you have no idea RISKA came
out of the water. She looked like you know, you
ever seen those people finishing the marathon that that lose
their body Like she had that kind of walk go.

(19:18):
So it wasn't necessarily to swim. It was because it
was so cold. They didn't give a sweatsuits. But I
knew right off the bat, like I didn't want everyone
to do great because people, you know, everyone isn't an athlete,
So let's show let's show real and I guarantee you
you know, looking back, t J was probably like, man,
that was that was kind of harder than I thought
it was going to be, you know what I mean.

(19:38):
But it was funny and people loved it. All right, Mark,
I'm getting a wrap signal from your dude over there.
I just want to say, if you ever decided to
do a season where it's uh, fourty year old men
that thought they could be on road rules the real
world and never got cast and they still think they
have some kind of athletic a building. I mean, I'm
right here, dude. I am all you, Mark, I'm oh you.

(20:00):
I will host any podcast, I'll host any after show.
I want to do that after the final thing that
you know, the challenge when you guys, Yeah, I mean,
I'm everything. But the big, the bigger question is how
do you still look at the speed over? Brother? Oh man,
I look great my wife when I'm sitting there at
the Vegas Pool and the speedo and all the women
are walking by taking pictures. So yeah, I'm all for

(20:21):
so Mark, thank you so much. Reach out to me.
I'm on social media at V Mark long on everything,
so reach out to me. Make sure you reach out
so I can follow you guys. Absolutely, man, Hey, don't
forget guys. Paramount plus the Challenge All Stars, and that
means there's more seasons to come. Mark, we just had
Neil Armstrong basically the Rick Flair of reality. That's right, man,

(20:44):
all right, Mark, have a great day. Man, Thank you Man.
That kind of geek out a little bit, No, Man,
you were fine, dude, you were gach. I had some
stuff to ask when you just hammered that, like you
were what did you have to ask? Right? Ask him
the coolest cats outside of that, like Big Brothers, Survivor?
Who would he party with? Like you know they party
with these other reality people. I was wondering, like do
it they actually hang out with them? Like the Survivor

(21:05):
kids are a bunch of tools or what they a
bunch of adults? They don't ever hang out Big brother
people festy. I mean, so it kind of sounds like
he doesn't really like them. You think we can get
him back because I did have twenty questions too, but
obviously you geeked out a little bit. And I want
to signal coach, it's a good list. I saw your computer.
There's the surface level stuff, which I think our listeners

(21:26):
would have grasped onto, and then there's in stuff that
you you were so deep Coach. There was no getting
out of that. I couldn't segue from Deepville. I may
need to call the podcast people and have them change
the category to our podcast to just like MTV. Hey,
do you see that one girl fall off the paddleboard? Yeah,
so she ended up getting back on the paddleboard. I
was like, what, Yeah, that's Clarisa Fasty town Hall. I

(21:51):
see you guys fined in the town. Even the guy
couldn't remember name. There was a girl in season one.
Her name was and he's like, yes, that was Charlie.
Lunch gapped at one point and he filled or that
guy gapped Mark Long and Lunch filled into blanks for him.
I don't remember what she did, yees, she fell off
a boat, remember that. I wanted to know some outrageous

(22:11):
appearance fees maybe if he was willing to say that,
and maybe it's heyday or now, like yeah, yeah, one
time I got paid five thousand dollars just standing a
parking lot and uh waved and say hi to fans.
What are you serious? Yeah? Back in it's heyday man.
When it first came out, I got a free trip
to Asia for two months. What are you serious? But
you're not getting any of that, guy. But also I

(22:32):
was trying to think back, you know, you're You're probably right,
those probably would have been the better questions. But here's
my thing. This was huge road Rules when it first
came out. I believe I was in middle school, so
I'm trying to go back in my head that's actually
when I watched it. Now. I mean, I know it's
still popular, just the challenge. Yes, I've been researching online,

(22:54):
so there's still That's why it's interesting still. So Road
Rules would have died off. Real World would have died off.
I guess they maybe still have some. But the way
to make it compelling is they challenge each other's and
that's where you get the spring off of this challenge. Yes,
so that's how they That was smarter of them to
make it competitive, because it's allowed it to have more
legs for years and years and years. But I was

(23:15):
thinking back, Good god, I was a huge fan of
Real Rules. Probably watched Mark long but that was in
middle school. Man, I'm I'm fascinated that lunch is still
blown away with this stuff. I still watched the Challenge
like it is the best TV show ever, because it
is and I I really do just enjoy the competition aspect.
But they, like I said, they have gotten away from

(23:36):
the fun things. And like what I was saying about
rubbing salt soap on their bodies, what they have is
they have a big block of soap, like it's like
ten ft long, and you have to rub your body
on it and get rub the soap away and then
it has a code to unlock something and that's how
you win to your body, just your body. So it's
kind of fun challenges like that. I've seen it on

(23:57):
and off. It is interesting, but the time came it. Man,
with your family and work, that's that's something that's impressive, dude.
With the other shows that are on, I'm selective. If
I watch a show, by god, it's the highest rated
Netflix thing you've ever seen in your life. For you
to sit down an hour a week and for the past,
that gives you a perspective of what his life's about. Yea,

(24:19):
my life is about good TV. It gets millions of viewers.
Everybody say to does that. I'm not knocking it. But
something that was popular in middle school that you're still
watching now as a forty year old man, Wow, Well,
what about Beth. She's still on the show. She's fifty two,
well and and she just got back on the show. Right, yeah, Okay,

(24:40):
So Mark is doing this I believe as his career.
Correct he has it sounds like he's a producer. Yes,
that's exactly what he does. You know, this is the
first time he's been a producer. He just tweeted out
that he wanted this to happen. So what does he
do now? Good question, actually very important, But no, we
we wanted to talk more about the other stuff. So
Fassie ended up beating you in all all, bra, let

(25:01):
me tell you about Bessie six eight. You're six six, haul, Bra.
I'll take you all day and I'll hang up and
listen to kick Fessi's asked from Ita you banana? Come
on you guys, real friends. Are you just pulling the
banana on me? Dang, you're right. He has a good talker, though,
so it tells me he does these all interviews. I

(25:23):
didn't want to know to like, what how his life
changed after road Rules and if it got back to
normal or if it just stayed like meteoric celebrity status.
That's a good question. See, But but we'll get him
on maybe later the man, but that is Eddie. You
put your finger on it. He's a producer. I think

(25:44):
he is. He sounds like he is. He knows how
to put a TV show together. And I wanted to
be like, hey man, a lot of you people went
on these shows in place of college, so like, did
you go to college? Brother? Did you ever go back
to school? I heard one time they interviewed the miss
and they go, miss, dude, dude tell us, dude, tell
us like the easiest story, or they'd asked him if
he did college, and he obviously didn't. Like a lot
of these peoples, he was back to New York. He

(26:07):
was in there with Yeah, he was no Yeah, real world.
He was in there with Kevin Dunn. He was in
there with Rachel and I don't know them. And uh,
they go, miss, miss, did you ever go to college?
What you're in? Miss goes? This was his answer to
the question. I'm dead serious. I can't find the I
have no idea where the audio is, but I heard
it one time. They go, miss what it was probably
like an R rated podcast. Anyways, they go, miss, dude,

(26:29):
tell us your craziest college story. He's like, uh, no,
I didn't go to college. But you guys, ever been
partying with a bunch of people down on a beach
and you got five chicks arguing over who's gonna you next?
And they're like, what that's your answer to the question.
He's like, yeah, that's how crazy is my life is.
I don't need to go to college. I don't need

(26:51):
to get to college. And I don't know. I can't
ask this dude, Hey man, how many chicks have you
hooked up? But it's like, dude, what's the what's the
most amount of girls you've you've been dating? And you
could have danced around that, you could have a little bit,
but we were too busy talking about something. But like, dude,
you're when it was blowing up, like how crazy? He
was like, like you ever wake up? And it was

(27:12):
just you intend chicks in the bed and at what
point did it all slow down? Like what point did
you wake up? And you're like, dang, nobody wants to
be on a friend anymore, you know what I mean?
Because it's over. Coach, you can't say it's over because
they're still doing straight. But I understand what he's back
now because they got him all that, and now I'm
disappointed in the interview. No no, no, no, no, no,

(27:33):
it really is because you were smiling the whole time,
and that's all that matters. No, no no, no, it does
matter because our listeners, most of them are not gonna
want to know the inside stuff. They're gonna want to
know a question. Hindsight, I didn't know he had a
guy wrapping him up that he's on tour. Huh he
was on a radio tour. Oh yeah, that's the I
heart guy. Oh he was, Yeah, he works in our company,

(27:54):
So I think he's the middleman. He talked to them
and they talked to us. Oh I didn't know, Yeah,
I didn't know what. Anyway, it seemed like he was
surprised to the lunch boxes, to the interview. What do
you mean he gets signs like all right, where's Bobby Bones?
I think he did. I think he did. Lunchbox just
ignored him. We're ready, We're right, Bobby. He gave me

(28:18):
some glasses. Thanks. So maybe we need to get him
back on Yeah maybe, well maybe towards the end. Yeah,
maybe we can do that, can we? I bet we
can DM him? He said, hit him up on socials. Yeah,
I'll be like, hey, dude, can we have a better
interview because I didn't kind of geeked that a little bit.
I kind of geeked out and we didn't ask you
some of the fun questions that we wanted to ask
because I was so in tune. Damn. And he he says,

(28:41):
he plays football, Like did you play football? I guess,
And that have been a good question, right sports podcast.
But but the challenge is like a sport. That's what
he said. That's what he said. Says, it's Bessie him
and see you guys rubbed some soap up against each other.
You know you have to bikini, but come on, rub
the ice. So people play football, some people play baseball

(29:02):
and they rub their bodies. So I love how you
started off the interview. Hey man, tell me you're gonna
do some work off dations where people rubbing their bodies
gives each other to melt some ice. He's like, yeah, sure,
we'll do more of that. Oh man, I kind of
do want to watch the show down. I'm telling you
it's funny. Like the first challenge, there's no chance that

(29:22):
these I mean, well, the reason I'm saying that is,
I mean shows I've been watching regularly for whatever reason.
I can only now watch a season of the show,
and I just get bored of its summer house kids
Party and they work in New York, and then Party
and the Hampton's. It was cool. I watched a couple
I actually watched multiple seasons. I'm done with it. Big
Brother Falling Off. I'm done with that show. Amazing Race

(29:43):
was cool, but it comes like once every three years,
so I almost need another good, compelling reality show. Maybe
bring on this bad Boy. But guys, this is just
picture this. These guys are my age, my age, and
they're ten years older than you. Well, it's had forties
assuming if somebody's touching fifty for the love of God, okay,

(30:04):
and you want to see these like coach, I have
a hard time getting out of bed sometimes because my
body hurts. Why did we watch these shows originally and
they had hot chicks and cool people. They're watching fifty
or there ain't no fifties anymore, watching Cougar's dudes, and
they're gonna be hurting. You know why you watched Road
Rules the first time ever? Because I was in middle
school and I said, wow, those two chicks are hot.

(30:25):
Let me watch this show where they're in a motor
home in a weird way, old in a weird way.
I think people are gonna watch this show just to
watch them struggle. Oh man, yes, because I'm telling you
that first episode, like you're excited because these are the
guys and girls that were on the challenge, like, oh
my gosh, they're gonna be beasts, and they're in this
swimming challenge and half of them had to because they

(30:49):
can't do it anymore. So they had to call for
the little security guy whatever, the lifeguard has come save them,
and it was like five minute penalty, five minute penalty
because they couldn't complete. It was laughing so hard, like
oh my god. But really that's probably how we would be,
and so that's why it was. But the music is
awesome music. He didn't talk about, like they play all

(31:10):
nineties music back from the day. Yeah, they play music
from back in the days, like I get knocked down again.
I mean it's just home run after home run. Every
song just boom boom. I don't remember. But what you
said that actually was a good point you made. How
they don't party anymore. That sucks if they if they

(31:31):
take it too seriously, Hey guys, sorry, I'm going to
bed at nine. We got a challenge tomorrow. When I
watched it, they would party till three am, then go
do a challenge that comes with age. Again, that's what
I do. That's when you need the wrong young This
this older cruise, the one that parties. They're still partying.
Where's the new challengers? Coach? The party, They're like ray party.
What are they drinking? Old fashions, salted dogs? They like.

(31:55):
The challenge that's on MTV is all serious. There's no
like if everybody's working out, they have a weight room.
Back in the day, there was no weight room on
the challenge was just stupid. They stay until five am
and they party. These people were on the Challenge All Stars.
It's five am and they're still having fights in the
middle of the house. They still living that. They're still
living that old life. And I love what he said

(32:15):
about They didn't talk about how many Instagram followers they
have or Twitter followers. Gosh, it's so I'm sorry I
screwed I guys, No, you didn't, man, it was it
was good Coach. He probably wouldn't even answered my question,
so I would be like, hey, give us a price
and be like, oh, I tell you what. It was
more than twenty bucks. Okay, thanks. It was probably for
him to talk to someone who knew everything he was

(32:37):
talking about. You finished the senses for him. You did.
It was like talking to an old buddy. He probably
thought he was right there. And then Lunch did his
personal plug at the end. Hey, May, if you're ever
looking for something. After the interview, he talks to his
agent his manager. Hey, that guy's onto something. Write that down,
will you coach? He's worried about his own nuts, and
he's trying to get you on a show. That's not

(32:59):
a bad idea. People. I thought they could have been
on Real World. I thought I could have been on
the Challenge. You just trying to squeak out a couple
more years of this and so he doesn't have to
get a real job. Lunch like, hey man, you try
to hut me up. I mean, how awesome would that be?
What if they did do a season like that and
they hit us up? Do you think you would do
good though on it? But that's the point, that's the point.

(33:20):
Back in the day, I thought I would, and then
I realized I probably wouldn't. But it would be awesome
to be on there and you get paid to go, like,
it's not like you show up. It's another question I had.
How much money did you make off that stuff? At
what point did you ask that? Now? I didn't get
to you were you were going? But and how do

(33:42):
you make money now? Before this? Yeah, I mean, wouldn't
you Why don't you ask that? Well? I was going
to but you had the list, you were doing all that.
Why didn't you got signal me? It's all good, coach,
it's not it's I don't think to God, Hey, sorry
to God. I don't think you'd have answered any of
those money questions. I think he wouldn't know. He wouldn't
have if I bet he'd been plane Jane. I don't
think he was going to get into detail because he

(34:03):
was like, I can't exactly talk about this, but you'll
see from the teaser he's he's been taught how to
talk on the radio. He's I mean, he was very
well versed. And the way he spoke about stuff, they're
trained not to address that stuff. He's not gonna talk.
I mean, you probably will never know, Ray, I mean,
you're real see you now? Kicking myself like I'm gonna

(34:25):
sit at home and be like it was good. It
gives a rip. No, I give a rip because those
are interesting questions. I want people to listen and I'll
d m him. I'll d m him some questions. No, No,
I don't want to do I want to hear the
list of twenty questions we never got to. Sorry, let
us talk on the interview dude. You know, if he's

(34:45):
going to talk to his first and half, then big seriously,
never go on that one again. That guy was very
interested into the show, but freaking stalkerd and so so
a little inside on how we do this, like this
was we got a zoom link right and we're supposed
to see him. Yeah, and again they're like, no, no video,
and I'm like why, I wonder why, Like they decided

(35:06):
no video, Like are they in their underwear? Are they,
like I don't know, in a place they don't want
to be, because I would like to see the video
because I want to know if I can see him,
I can see if he's interested or he's like, oh
my god, this guy's an hotel by his voice coach
where he was interested. He was way into it. He
was into it. He liked your energy, so it's all good.
But dang, I thought we were getting for an hour though.

(35:27):
That's the also the reason I didn'tterrupt. I thought we
were about to talk to Homie for sixty minutes. We
were supposed to be the last one on the tour,
but then we had a change of time so we
couldn't go. Once I saw the company guy, I was like, no,
he keeps it short. I've seen him before. Okay, yeah,
when when you when you did the wrap up, I
was like, oh, I guess my questions I'll just ask myself.
I'll ask him if I was that what that was? Coach?

(35:48):
I heard this in the background a coach. I had
the questions from Arnold. I've ripped him up and throw
them away. Hey, as soon as you got the wrap
up sign, I heard you get your paper. I guess,
all right, we're not doing I'm trying to think dude
of he was definitely one of the o G and
then your boy Bananas and Eric Neice was I don't

(36:09):
even know what he I know what he looks like now,
but I had to see the pictures. Yes, I recognize
him from fifteen years ago when I saw it in
middle school. But good gosh, I can't believe you're still
following these people. Bananas. He was the road Rules. He
was Real World, Key West, Real World. But what I mean,
what season is that? That's way later? I mean, no,
Key West. The last one I remember is the Austin London.

(36:32):
Which one? Which one was first Austin or London London?
But Austin was one or two before. I remember Austin obviously, dude,
when Austin Austin was one of the better ones of
all times? Did I used to drive by the set.
It's pretty cool. So cool, I mean, I would you
do that too? But we were on the radio then
and we were trying to figure out where the house was,
and we would go like people would give us tips

(36:53):
and we'd show up there and people people before, but
people knew where it was before. Were they moved in? Oh,
before they move Like when when it was announced we
were like, oh, they're renovating a house on this street.
We'd go there and look like, no, that's too far
from downtown. Is it still? Vince Young sause I even

(37:13):
took a tour of the house right after they were
done shooting it. I want to hear a story. They
had a garage still afterwards, and I bought I bought
a chair from there for fifty bucks, still having my house.
Really yeah, orange plastic. You can you go back and
look at clips and see that chair and it gets
thrown in the pool. That was actually a decent purchase.

(37:35):
I wanted to make fun of you, but that's kind
of cool. I mean, just because, like I said, I'm
a real world geek, like I love Real World and
the Challenge and my teens and understand wh that was.
Everyone was watching Real World. Ever what you gotta realize
everybody was into this crap. But it was fifteen years ago, coach,
I've moved on. Road Rules died before. I don't think
everyone got into road Rule. That was so cool though.

(37:57):
The concept of them traveling in RV so and that
chicks are driving in that hit something. It was a
very cool thing. You're like, dude, I want to travel
with my five friends in an RV. It was great.
And they'd go to these whatever they'd go and they
do little challenge things or whatever. That was a cool one. Yeah,
And then yes, and the one thos real cool is
road Rules Campus Crawl. They went to Texas state. They
went to Texas Tech and they would drive all around

(38:19):
the country and stop on college campuses and that's where
they did their challenges. That's cool. So that's where they
got the idea for the challenges from road Rules, probably
because it's like they're like, oh, we had people from
real world on it. Well real world they never do
any challenges. Then they just show up on the challenge
all of a sudden. They have competitions. Yeah, and it
was party, party, Party, do some funny competitions, and now

(38:40):
it's all serious and you gotta lift weights and you
gotta run like twenty miles to win that. I don't
think it's like they have to. I think that they
like to do that. Well, i'd say you win the money.
I mean, now the reward, like the prize money is
like two million dollars. That's nuts. Yes, that's a lot
of mus why I need to get on there. But
they're not just gonna let somebody at random. You have
to have a history of being on the shows. Right, Well,

(39:00):
they let on Big Brother, now they let on Okay,
I'll d mm see if we can get them him
some of my questions, Coach, he probably wants you to
d M, so he knows who to block and like
get his people up. Yeah, he's gonna tell Bananas lunchbox guy.
He's like, stay away from that, dude, he's freaking nuts.
Bananas tips him off. He's like, hey, dude, you add

(39:22):
the same interaction with him he's with the Bobby Bones shows.
To keep it cordial, but definitely keep him at a distance. Yeah,
He's like, he corded me at a bar one night
in Austin and he talked to me for like thirty
minutes and would not just stop going on and on.
And you can't act like that. I can't help it, guys,
Like I That's what I'm saying, Like, we meet all
these celebrities and I don't give a crap, Like I
don't get excited. I don't get No, you do get excited. No,

(39:43):
But then I meet him or talk to them, and
I'm like, I freaking lose it, diarrhea of the mouth.
I'll d mm see if we can get them off
all right, and then I'll let you guys do all
the talk. No, No, We're good, We're good. Was this
our worst podcast ever? We've got worse. I'd leave that
one from when we did uh coin flip madness. I mean,

(40:04):
if you actually tuned into that crap dudes flipping, if
your bracket was busted, it was completely pointless. I mean
if you had money at stake. Those five people nobody did. Dude.
I was in it till the very end. I was
top twenty, and I still didn't even have fun with it. Man,
that got old real quick. Keep doing the videos for consistency,

(40:27):
and so I was trying to get out of work
early every day and I'll go home and like edit
while I was eating lunch at home and whatever. My
kids would be like, what the crap are you editing?
Every single time? It was during the pandemic, it's lunch,
Bob going, oh, when throp winds, When Throp winds. That
was when there was no sports and we didn't know
what we were doing with our lives, and we tried

(40:48):
to do something cool. We tried to get it picked
up by ESPN, and it didn't get picked up. Guys,
I gotta say, we still need the fans though, So
do have you guys watched games where there are the fans.
With the Rangers, there's a lot of fans. There's a
lot of ends. Now everything you watch not m are
they not? No, they're still ain't at n b A.
I really haven't watched a game in a while. Oh,

(41:09):
I mean, it's just those tarps that cover the first
baseball hockey. There's just tough to tell with baseball because
baseball just never really had that's true. They could be
back to normal show Detroit and I'm like, I mean,
is that with restrictions or none? I mean, that's usually
a Detroit Tigers crowd. Oh gosh, but we're still on

(41:31):
that White Sox bet. I mean we're playing. How is
that going? We want I mean, listen, we we bet
four dollars to win to fifty. We want it. That's
what you gotta do. You just gotta keep stacking up.
The winds were positive, fifty two dollars round step at
a time, one step at a time. That's what someone said.
All right, Um, I got a message at twenty minutes,

(41:52):
so just definitely all right, we're good right to anybody? No, no,
I mean forty two minutes in let me no, no, no.
We had a birthday. We had to say today as
someone's birthday on cameo coach, Well that is it says,
here's one cultures. Huge fan of the show. Listen to
every episode you guys have put out. You guys are

(42:14):
killing it. Also a fan of The Big Show. I
can't do it. Like so, my brother is turning thirty
five on April sevent Can I get a birthday shout
out for Dr Robert Lockwood? Happy birthday, Doc lock Uh.
He's a huge fan of both The Big Show and
the Little Shows and a super sports fan. I'll buy
a cameo on LB's account. Any chance all three of

(42:35):
you guys would get in on that a sore loser's
birthday cameo. Also, what's the deal with sissant getting all
the cameo publicity on The Big Show? Where where's l
beast free advertising? I'll hang up and listen. John from Spokane, Washington,
go Zag's Zag's lost? Man? Uh? Before they lost, they
got hammered in the You have to get more up

(42:55):
to date with those emails. April so that was after
the Go Go h chiefs. Can't wait for the game
this sun. No tiger would Happy birthday, dock Lock. You
guys want to get it on the cameo with me,
but you guys get in probably not cut oh man, alright,
give some of that money? What I give you? Some
of that money? We do this podcast? No, no, no,

(43:16):
we do the cameo. How much is your cameo up? No,
it's more than that, more than that, more than that.
I think it's forty bucks, and you give us I'll
take fifteen. That's what's No, fifteen dollars. Why would I
give you half? That's not half of forty because then

(43:38):
I gotta give ray, So then I'm then I'm making
eight dollars. It sounds like my cameo experience. Did they
take more cuts out? A wait? But didn't? Didn't Lunchbox recommend? You? See,
so Lunchbox gets some of your money too. I get
some of cameos money. He may get pennies on the dollar.
I get like twenty cents for everyone, right, dough that

(44:00):
adds up? Enjoy those two dollars. Yeah, I see it's
doty coach. That's do that math coach. Oh here it is,
hey cultures. My name is Kayden, and it's my nineteenth
birthday on April four, Happy birthday. I also need some advice.

(44:20):
I work at a sandwich shop and it sucks. I'd
like to quit and try to become an engineer, because
that is my dream job. The only problems. The only
problem is I need the money that I make from
the sandwich shop for college. What should I do? I'll
hang up and listen. I think you can do both. Yeah,
I probably if you need the money, I wouldn't quit.
I think you can do both. Listen, make the subs
and act like you're really interested in that job, but

(44:41):
secretly you're trying to figure out another job and career
and stuff. But don't tell your bosses. So some of
the bigger companies, you know, they do support higher education
and they'll pay for your college part of your tuition
to kind of like but it sounds like he works
like a mom and pop sandwich and I don't think
the sandwich shop wants him to go become an engineer.
But behold on, hold on, if you can tell the

(45:03):
owners or the manager of the sandwich shop and be like,
hey man, this is my this is my golden life.
Like I want to become an engineer, but I still
want to work here at the sandwich shop because I
love this place. And you tell them that and say,
is there any way that you can allow me to
have a flexible schedule to go to school, maybe night classes.
You let me know where I can enroll and how
I can do it, or if you want, I mean

(45:23):
you can pay half my tuition. That'd be great. Yeah,
I say it's and Kayden, go to him because it's
your birthday today, and go to him on your birthday.
And it's my birthday, man, And my dream is you
want to give me a birthday present of paying my tuition.
See if that works out, you can always try it,
and if nothing, say I quit. That was a great point.
With the hours they'll work around. Once you got college
or whatever's classes you're doing, then you can say, oh,

(45:44):
I got class that day, so then you can work
limited hours. You're still got your hand in the cookie jar,
but you're work getting college stuff. Always use college as
an excuse. You only have a four year window when
you can use it as an excuse. Did you work
while you went to college? Yes, Sands Club one all
four or five? Ray you worked at the commune store, right, coach,
So I had two at Texas State. To claim in
state residency for college, I had to work for an

(46:06):
entire year from the day I landed in Texas for
one consecutive three hun in sixty five days. I had
to be employed. So the next day I went and
started at a gas station. Went from that to p
A announcer that turned into facilities when I wasn't doing
p A announcer, continued through the summer doing facilities and
p A announcing for the sports teams, and then I

(46:27):
worked at Walmart and it was a whole year coach.
So before all that you paid out of state tuition
for one year. It was double or triple for an
entire year. And the registrar dude was coming at me
the chick She's sorry, you're not in state tuition. Here's
all my pace dubs. Yes, a, I'm She emails me back, Okay,
sorry you're not. You don't know what I sacrificed to

(46:47):
come here and convince my parents. Let me do it.
I'm in state tuition, dude. We went back and forth,
me in the registrar, mail letters, emails, face face. Finally
got it. I mean it saved me thousands upon thousands
of dollar. Guys. Look, I'm now see that's the story
of perseverance we're looking for on this podcast. But they
have to They're like, you have to prove that you're here.
They want you to work, so it proves you want

(47:08):
to be a resident Texas. Not I just want to
go to school with Texas. I'm not even a resident
of Texas anymore. Okay, here's one I question. If his
birthday is tomorrow on Thursday, do we say have your
birthday today? Or do we say have your birthday on Friday?

(47:28):
Makes you do? Cameo, We'll get the days right. Hey,
I'm asking you. Did you see this tweet? But Mark Long,
you had no idea who's gonna be on this podcast? Yeah? Yeah,
I saw that. And then I replied to him and
I said, yeah, do we have time to go over
every season every episode by episode? Responded to you know,
he favorited that. Yeah, like, whatever the hell you call it? Hey,

(47:48):
at lunch Box, Eddie and Ray, I'm writing in hopes
that I could get my husband, ben Ford in Ohio
a thirty birthday shot out on the podcast. His birthday
is Thursday, April fift so we do do it on Thursday.
So happy birthday, Happy birthday. He listens all the time,
and he has barely taken off his coach sweatshirt since
it got delivered. Also, you should make infant slash kids sizes.

(48:12):
We would love to put our twin eleven month olds
in them. I got one for the nephew. I'm giving
him a small and I do believe that should fit
uh fourteen year old. I mean, if we can get
like a hundred people to commit that they'll buy it,
we'll do it. Yeah. I think we can need it
like we need people say like, i'll buy it. I'll
buy it. I'll buy it. We do a onesie, a
onesie or a really small T shirt. Mini coach. Oh,

(48:34):
it says mini coach on it. I don't know, little coach,
Little coach. I was like the little coach, Little coach. Anyway,
he didn't want a big party because of COVID. I
still want to find a way to celebrate him. So
I'm hoping you guys can give m a shout out.
So there you go, Happy birthday, Happy birthday, ben Ford.
Al Right, you guys ready to go home? Yeah? I'm ready.
When is this one getting posted? Coach? Right now? Yeah?

(48:55):
Right now, right now, and like too, minuchy soon as
we're down, we're gonna post a coach m m. Yeah, okay,
you know on Wednesdays that's how you do it, you know.
You know, we do the podcast. It starts with the
w Ray. We do the podcast, coach, and then we
were posts. Ye gosh, guys, I'm really kicking myself for
that interview. Coach. You're fine, it's it's great, good interview,

(49:18):
one of your best. Actually shut up, coach, we're in
his absolute wacko, pointless job. You really care? I want
that to be quality. Would you want to be Larry King?
Plus it be real, man, Quarantine things are weird right now.
Quarantine's almost over. I wanted to be the next David Man.
I mean, Coach, I didn't think you were gonna ask
good questions. I knew you were going to be obsessed

(49:40):
as like, I just hope I can find a way
to ask my questions. I mean, honestly, I'm shocked. I
even like came in to do this interview with you.
I almost didn't. I know, he didn't even entro the show.
He just goes, oh hey, Mark Lunch. I mean you
just thought he did. He thought of us. He said,
say hi Eddie, say hi, right, that was nice name,

(50:00):
siss and Ray, it was you know, we need to
do we gotta insert the we are the sot of losers.
At the beginning, we didn't even do it because we
just had him on and we just went, so, should
we do it right now? Yeah? Hit it? Okay, uh,
this is the first time in history we're doing the
intro at the end. That's it, everyone, This is how

(50:24):
we do it. Tell him right, loser? What up? Everybody?
My name is Lunchbox, and I know the most about sports,
so I'll give you the sports facts, my sports opinions
because I'm pretty much a sports genius. What's up everyone,
I'm Eddie and I know the least about the sportspine.

(50:44):
I'm your average sports fan, your sports watcher. Don't know
the who's who's and I don't know the what's what?
What up? Y'all? Sciss from the North. I'm an alpha male.
I currently live on the West side of Nashville. I
broke the news on the Big Show that ram Bay
have resigned our lease on the bluff at West Nashville.
Sorry you guys got the scraps of that news, but

(51:07):
it was announced on the Big Show. We will be
living penthouse style for another year. Pool parties, baying a bikini,
waking up a bunch of girls staying over at the house.
Everybody got to know. Oh, I'm dead serious, coach. During
the summer, Cassie would stay over at our place at
least one one weekend a month. They're like, why is
Cassie here? Don't she drank too much? It's a blast.

(51:30):
We're gonna do it for another year. Uh, we're the
mom and dad of the pool. Grahams and graham I
get the booze. I grill based down their socializing one
more year. Heyo, all right, that's it. Goodbye everyone.