February 7, 2025 • 38 mins
After Kelly’s astrology breakdown with Marvin Wilkerson, she and Chip take a more relatable approach to February’s cosmic energy. With the Aquarius New Moon and Leo Full Moon shaping the month, Kelly explains how these energies show up in our personalities, relationships, and daily lives—without the overwhelming astro-jargon. From independence and innovation to confidence and creativity, Kelly and Chip share personal examples of how these themes play out, making astrology feel a little more down-to-earth.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Well, well, well, I'm really happy that we could be
grace with your presence after the disaster that I just
saw taking place in your living room.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I mean, I just came home. I have an eight
month old boxer puppy and I'm trying to not leave
him in the crate anymore when I leave the house
for a little bit, and I came home to what
looked like a bloodbath all over my couch. He had
gotten It's a not sponsored pilot Precise V five red
pen and it is everywhere. It is everywhere, And instantly
(00:34):
I knew which dog it was because his paw is red,
his chin is.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Red, like a walking pelle on himself.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
And like there's a book all torn apart, like he
was very obviously on my dining room table, and I'm
just like, oh my gosh, Like what have I done?
But he's so cute. It's hard.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It is real cute, real cute. I'm real sweet. But
I would make me want to murder him.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I just have to, like, I know, all of his
mistakes are my mistakes. Like I just have to make
more time to like get his energy out in the
morning so that I can leave him, or I just
have to be fine with him being in a great one.
I'm gone for a couple of hours.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
The life of a puppy dad.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I know. It just stinks when you have a dog
that is so good and I could leave him in
the house for twenty four hours and he wouldn't touch
a thing or pee. So it's I fall I'm very lucky,
and you're.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Having to retrain yourself from us.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You're right, that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well, this week, obviously, is the first week of February,
and as you guys know, in the first week of
the month, Marv, my master astrologer, always comes on to
the podcast and talks about what the energy of the
month is going to be. He talks about the new moon,
the full moon, all the other transits that are happening.
And I sent to Chip kind of, you know, we
(01:53):
take our Friday podcast from our Wednesday podcast topics, and
I sent him kind of what we had talked about
with Marv this on the podcast, and he was like, literally,
this sounds like did you gobbledgook?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
He just doesn't. You don't really know that much about astrology.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And and it's like, even when you just said transit,
I'm like, what is it a train? Like the the
way the words fit together to me is.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's just a foreign language.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It is a foreign language, and I shut down. And
the weird thing is is like I appreciate it and
I'm yeah, like I sense that it is very real,
but it's it's a foreign language, and it just makes
me go, WHOA. None of the speaks like that sentence
doesn't make sense to me. So anyone who's listening, if
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you're in the same boat as me, I would love
to know. And anyone who's overcome that, I would love
to know how you did it without having to like
go to college and study it.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, Okay, I feel like you're being a little dramatic.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I mean that's what it feels like to me. Though
it feels like a whole like I need a major
in it, I.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Do feel like that is how a lot of people feel.
And so I'm glad that you can express those sentiments
about the topic because I know it's something I've learned
a lot about in the last couple of years, and
I almost forget how much I've learned because I'll just
talk about it and I have a lot of friends
who I can talk about it with. But then it's
like when I meet someone who doesn't actually know what
that stuff is, they're like, huh.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, I'll be sitting around with y'all and you're like,
blah blah blah. It's such a leout. Uh what's your birthday?
It may sex oh you're this. I'm like, I'm here.
I am like. Maybe it's because like it makes me
feel small, Like I don't feel.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Like, oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's like a weird thing. It's like a defense mechanism.
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
But these are great things that astrology is bringing up
for you to explore and dive deeper, which is one
of the whole reasons I love it. It teaches us
about ourselves. But yeah, so one of the things I
said to you, and I think this goes for the
listeners too. When I'm talking with Marv, I know it
is heavy on the actual astrology talk because we're talking
about the specifics of what's happening with the planets and
(04:03):
the houses and all those things. And though what I
try to do with him is talk about the bigger message,
and with you today, that was kind of how I
wanted to incorporate it was to touch on maybe some
of the energy's happening, but to bring it back down
to earth and say, like, how does this play out
in your life right without you having to understand the
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new moon and the full moon and the transits and
all the things that I just have.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I was like the houses in the store.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Oh yeah, see, this is where it does get very complex.
And again, like I forget. It's taken me years to
learn the stuff I learn, and I literally learned something
new every time I'm talking to anyone in astrology or
who has a heavy background in this. So it's just
like this never ending cycle of learning. So don't feel
like overwhelmed by that. It's just like you just take
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a little bit as it comes and just learn the
little things like you know your double scorpio, you know
you have a Pisoce's moon. Those are things you just learned.
Those are great, right right?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I should write that down so I don't forget it,
and then I'll.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Teach you about what that means too. But today Marvin
I talked a lot about the Aquarius new moon and
also the Leo full moon, which is a very interesting
thing happening right now because Aquarius and Leo are on
opposite ends of the spectrum. And I'll try to keep
it as simple as I can when describing this, but
that makes the energy's very different. So like Aquarius, if
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you meet anyone that has an Aquarius in their top three,
like their sun, their moon, or their rising, they're probably
a little quirky. There may be the outsider of the crew,
they're the one with new innovative ideas, but a lot
of times they're almost like ahead of their time, Like
it's just a very kind of individual, detached, freethinking kind
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of energy. And then a Leo, which you know a
lot of leo's like our friend Tyler that was on
the podcast last week, the travel Agent, He's a LEO
and like you know, Tyler is just so cute and
he knows it. That's a Leah like that that energy
kind of the Leo is the lion, the king, the
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like the regals. Definitely, but also like a confidence is
what I would say, Like a LEO knows they're good
at things, they're bold, they're adventurous, and they feel themselves
about it. Like you know, a lot of different signs, Yeah,
a lot of different signs are maybe a little more
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timid or they could be really great at stuff, but
they would never give themselves that credit. A Leo's always
going to give themselves that credit, Like I envy a
Leo energy, like I love that energy because I'm like, yeah,
do you and they will like that is definitely them.
So that's kind of just like I told you before,
I was like, I'm gonna set the scene. These are
the things that like, those are the energies that we're
(06:48):
going to be talking about a little bit today. But
with you, I thought it would be kind of fun
if we dove a little more into like just the
different sides of things and ask ourselves some or answer
some interesting questions just individually about stuff that could come
up within these energies. So like, for instance, the Aquarius energy,
we could say basically like let's get weird and because
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that's very aquarian, and I thought, okay, what are what's aquarian?
A quirky? Uh, let's talk about quirky habits. So we
kind of touched on this a little bit when we
were talking about relationships. But do you have any quirky
habits that you would like to share with the listeners
that maybe could speak to your inner aquarian.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, it's funny because I mean, I guess this is
a habit. Like I have this thing where I'm when
I'm talking to people, I bite the hairs in my
mustache if they're too long, and I do it all
the time. Though, well I do that too, but it's
like a weird, quirky thing. And in the middle of
doing it, I realize I'm doing it too, and I'm like,
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people must think it's so weird. And I don't know
where it came from. But it's like, if there is
a hair that feels a little bit longer than the
one next to it, yeah, I have to like.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Storten it, but like you want to shorten it with
your tongue.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, well I'll just bend my lip. It's like it's yeah,
for those of you who can't see it, it's like,
and it's mostly on the sides. That is probably the
weirdest thing that I do.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
To be honest, you don't have any like remember when
I was describing all the things I do for my sleep.
I feel like I have a lot. Like I do
a lot of things that I think people would be like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You're a quirky but more Aquarius.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well, I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I don't really think that I present that way, and
so people are often like my boyfriend now is like
I would have never when I first, like all the
years that I've known you, I would have never thought
that you had all these little quirks or whatever. And
now he looks at me and he just like giggles
about all the little weird stuff that I do.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, but I don't think I put it on.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I mean I thought about it over the last several
hours and I really don't. I mean, it's it's not
that weird. I like to pee outside, but like I'm
a dude and I wrote that country though, but.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
What we've talked about, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I mean, it's just easier than having to flush a
toilet and clean a bathroom and I'm going outside with
my dogs. But like even last night, I went to
a party like this, like screening, and I had to
pee And when I got in my car, I just
peed by my car and got my car and left.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
That is so okay. This is a quirky habit.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, And some of that is just it's so convenient.
It's so much easier, you know, I don't have to
like pull my pants down and squat. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Ability to do that. I was gonna say, have a.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, that's what gives me the ability.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, right, because a girl it's so much trickier. And
I've had this conversation with so many guys. I've seen
so many guys do this, and I'm like, there's a
bathroom right there. I don't understand a lot of guys
that I've talked to you about it said there's something
powerful about it, like, especially if you're at your own house.
It's sort of this like I mean, I almost look
at it as a little bit animalistic of marking your territory.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, I pick my cue to and I love to
do it, like I literally love it. I don't know
why it's so satisfying, but that is like one of
my big tics yesterday. I have a girl who comes
to my house and does my nails and she's amazing.
I posted about her all the time on my Instagram
mobile Man of Curious if anyone wants to go look
her up. But she was at my house and I
(10:20):
get these like sore spots around my thumb uh huh,
And I still won't stop it's almost like an ingrown
skin because I pick at it so much, and I'll
still keep picking at it, and it's like, why do
I do this? She goes, have you ever thought about stopping?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I'm a nail biter and I've been really I've been
really good the last year about trying not to like, yeah,
because it's I would notice. I would be just in
a meeting biting my nails and it's like you're the
clicking and like, yeah, I don't have as many quirks
as I would have thought I did, And maybe it's
just hard for me to recognize them because they're just.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Things that ile to you.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But yeah, I don't have too many like sort of
routine things. Yeah, definitely biting the hair, like and it's
like weird, I like fold my face up and no
one has ever said, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I'm obviously going to start saying something now, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Please tell me so I'll stop doing.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Okay, well, have you seen me taking my keuticles? You
can say something, but I'm not exacting. I will not stop.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
This one probably applies to me again more weird trends
that you fall for, Like I think you know, like
wellness trends, uh, beauty trends like even I mean, you
could go dating, you could go fashion all over the
spiritual trends.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
That's I feel like.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
The one the space that I have always been the
most susceptible to falling for a trend is diet and
exercise stuff. Okay, and you know that's deeply rooted in
my own body issues. But like I have ordered some
of those like weird things, like the thing that like
shocks your belly. You know, it's just like battery operated
and it's like supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I try that. Got it for your butt?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Though in theory it should work, you know, it is
exercising those muscles, but like it is not a replacement
fractional oh.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It doesn't even really full stay.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
My favorite thing that I bought was and this is
hard to describe, but like I have my my chin
kind of goes diagonally to my neck and it's a
it's really a genetic thing. I'm shipped like my mom,
and it's yes, it would probably be better if I
lost some weight, but I don't think it's ever just
I'm going to have a super tight neck unless I
got like a neck lift. But I found this ball
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that like you press under your and you put under
your neck and you like, yeah, nod your head, and
it's like it's it's kind of like a stress ball.
It's firm, yeah, and it's supposed to like tighten that up,
but really all it did was make the back of
my neck hurt.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Oh so it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
The fitness, those sorts of things are the ones and
like we you know, like fad diets and stuff. And
I feel like I finally gotten had enough failed attempts
at all these bullshit things. And you know, I shouldn't
call them bullshit things because they do work for some people.
They're just not They're always marketed to work for everybody
and to be a quick fix. And I know that, like,
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as someone who has been overweight most of his life,
most of that is caused by me being too lazy
to fucking just fix it. Yeah, I'm looking for the
quick I've been looking for the quick fix. And now
that I have settled into an actual like routine of
working out and eating better, I'm seeing the results that
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I've been dying for my whole life. And then, you know,
the window shopping of online dating is I don't know
that that's like a trend, but I've certainly been sucked
into that, and that too is a corner cutter. It
means I don't have to like go out to the
bar and put myself in a weird situation and step
outside of my comfort zone and talk to a stranger.
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I can feel it out online and if they don't respond,
it's like there's no you know, you don't rejection in
those cases.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
So, yeah, that's interesting. That almost ties more into the
Leo conversation. Maybe we'll circle back to that, Okay. I
definitely fall into like the beauty trends. I mean, I'll
try anything just because it's exciting to me, because it's
my job too, and I'm always curious what are the
new innovations we could come so far in like skincare,
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beauty trends as far as like what you can do
with aging, and I'm always looking for like a more
holistic approach. But then also like what are the advances
in science that we can use, So I'll I mean,
I definitely will try stuff with that. I think I
fall under it with the spiritual trends or practices as well,
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just because I'm so interested in that side of it,
which I guess could be considered beauty too. We talk
about on this podcast like beauty is both external and internal,
and with the spiritual stuff, I'm like, cool, let me
try this new process. Or have I ever told you
about the lady in Bali with the electric hands?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
People don't even think I'm crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
But like, so when I went to Bali, my friend
Mary and I were like, let's try a bunch of
the different kind of healers that they have, you know,
And I'm very open to that, and so is she,
and we'll kind of just lean in, like I mean,
we've done some weird shit together, Like we've gone to
conventions where you do like ecstatic dance and you're inner
room of strangers just like dancing and contorting your body
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and you're supposed to just get lost.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
In the moment, you know, and we do.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And a lot of people I think if they ever
saw us and be like, what are y'all doing?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I'm so mad. I wasn't there. Yeah, you, well, just
as a spectator, I.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Think you would have liked it. As a spectator.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I'd be curious how you would feel about it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I mean I was a drama major. We had to
do a lot of that weird.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Tra That's true. That's true. That's true.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I forget about the trauma major. But you're doing this sober.
It's not like you have any sort of like drug
or alcohol to numb the effect or like the impact
of how odd it kind of is. But one of
the things we tried was in Bali. There was this
girl and the story behind her skill set I guess
you would call it is that she was literally just
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like living a normal life, working a normal job. She
was in the shower one day and all of a sudden,
I think, or shower like washing her hands or something
happened in her house that triggered an electric current to
basically go into her body, and so all of a sudden,
her hands became like an electric socket. So she literally
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was like a showering and something happened where she felt
it and was like what in the heck, because she
like shocked herself basically, But for like seven years after that,
she couldn't get it to stop. So she had to
quit her job because she couldn't type on a computer
and stuff like that. She literally was like fell into
this deep depression. She said, because she was like, I
can't even like touch anything because I just shock it.
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And then finally, I don't know, seven years later, had
like voice come to her and say, you're supposed to
help people with this skill set. And now in Balie,
she does these sessions where you basically like you go in,
you get on the table, she puts a wet towel
on your feet and kind of puts like this little
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like pan of water underneath your feet. So and then
she basically electrocutes the trauma out of your body.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I mean, it's she there.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
She got from Balie. She so basically Mary and I
kept making jokes of like we because she did one
on my like in the between my brows, which basically
feels like your brain, and I started seeing white like
I was, I mean my eyes were closed, but it
was like the light was there. I was literally, am
I dying? You know, like I don't know, and Mary
(17:49):
was like, I think you got a stroke. Though for sure,
we just felt like we had these big releases and
it was wild. I mean, she would be running her hand.
I couldn't have taken more than thirty minutes, which is
what the session was, running her hand all over your
body kind of like a massage, but she's using oils
and stuff, so like her hand. The second it touches you,
it really is like being like not electrocuted.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
But there's looking battery that you know, have you ever
done that? A nine volt battery where you I have.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Not done that, but that could go under your weird
quirks I think.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I mean that was something I did as a kid.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Okay, sure, whatever you tell yourself. But anyway, so yeah,
like though that was a very interesting experience and it
was so crazy because she had me doing these affirmations
when she had her fingers on my brain and I
was telling you, guys.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Us all white.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
But it really did help me release something that I
was really really stuck on. And it was almost just
like it like lifted out of my body. It was crazy.
So yeah, like those are definitely quirky, I think interesting.
Maybe they're trends. I don't know if they're trends.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's more so I feel like it's more of an
evolution for you. Yeah, like that's a searching for you.
I mean, this is a little but I wonder what
happens when she masturbates.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I wonder if there's an effect on her.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I had so many questions, but we didn't have time
to ask her, But I was like, how does she
touch anyone?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Like?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
It is interesting though, because she did put the wet
like the towel on us, and she was using oil.
So I'm wondering if she knows how to like harness
it and it would.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Just make it active what's the word for? Like it's
like you have to have that for it to flow,
you know, it's like a can do it. Yeah, if
it's it conducts it. So if you were to touch
the electric line and hang from it outside, you'd be fine.
But the second you touch somewhere for it to flow
through you, right, it would shock you. So she creates
the path for that to move. That's crazy that it
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stays in her though, Like she is right.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And think about why she would be so depressed for
so long because she couldn't function. I'm sure she probably
had to really figure out how to function.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, I don't know. It's fascinating to me.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
That's cool. I would let her do that to me.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I thought this was an interesting thought to think about
with you with this Aquarius energy, because we have this
joke with you about the what if and also the
BDI the billion dollar idea, and you are constantly thinking
this way, which to me would be you tapping into
this Aquarius energy in a way because you're innovative, you're
coming up with new ideas, you're thinking outside of the box.
(20:20):
So can you explain to people what that is with
you and why we have that joke in our friend group?
And then is there any specific one in particular that
you're like, this was a really bizarre idea and then
someone went and did it.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Oh, OK, that's happened to you a bunch a bunch.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
When you sent me the description of the quirkiness and
the forward thinking Aquarius qualities, I was like, oh, I
have this.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Just let me touch in on that for a second.
Everybody has every part right as a part of every
sign in their chart, and so we do have all
of it. And I need to go look back at
your chart and see if you have any particular planets
in Aquarius in your chart, because that would just maximize
that energy. So maybe that is why you feel that, Yeah,
(21:02):
But like it also depends the house thing comes into
play of like wherever we have Aquarius, Like I have
Aquarius in my tenth house, which is your house of
career and public facing stuff, and so probably in my
career I'll do something a little out of the box, innovative, whatever,
which is what I do. If you think about it,
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nobody else does grooming and styling. And then like the
podcast thing, I'm trying to connect the dots between beauty
and all that stuff, and I haven't seen that done either,
where someone works on outsides and insides, and so it's
like thinks a little bit outside of the box.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I mean, you also had a blog and stuff way
before a lot of I even knew what a blog was.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Oh, totally, Like I'm over it now when people are
still doing it, and I'm like, I was doing that
however a little bit ahead of my time probably.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So yeah, but that's just an interesting way to learn
about it is how it applies in your actual life.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah. So yeah, goes my my what if thing? And
you know, I should probably preface this that I've been
smoking weed since I was in high school. But I'm
not always stoned. I'm not always stoned, and I'm not
always stoned when I have a what if now, I
am not, in fact, I haven't smoked or had a
drink in five days, so I'm very clear. I just
(22:17):
see the world through like a very quirky lens. Yes,
And I have this crazy imagination where I'm always like,
what if I'll give you an example. This was very
early days reality shows, and I was like, what if
we could get someone to donate any plastic surgery that
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you wanted or free, but you get it done on television.
And I can remember, I can remember having the conversation
with my friend Alyssa in the back of a cab
in New York City. And then the first was The Swan.
Do you remember that show? After I had that conversation
with her. And for those of you who don't know
(23:02):
The Swan, the Swan was for women who deemed themselves
ugly trying to become pretty, and I guess the producers
deemed them ugly too, and it was like they could
get whatever plastic surgery they wanted in order to, you know,
come out of their cocoon as a beautiful swamp.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
They would do so much too, and then they would
have a full makeover with like hair and makeup and styling.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yep, all of that.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, it's kind of a little bit shotspired about
the whole, like you need to change all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
But I think it was I think they were all
things that they wanted done. Yeah, yeah, but I'm sure
it's been so long since it was on television, but
I'm sure there was somebody there being like, you should
do this, you should do this, you should Yes, but
they were probably coming from a more like broad approach,
like I don't like my hips and you know, my
nose is big, and blah blah blah, and then the
doctors got a little bit more specific. There are so
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many what ifs, and the thing is is they just
roll out of my mouth and sometimes I'm not even thinking.
And We've got a friend name Ryan who thinks it's
the funniest thing in the world because he just he
can't wrap his head around my imagination.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Because your brain, it's like where do you come up
with this?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Like I'll be like, I mean this, I would never
do this, but I'd be like, what if I went
over there and smack that old lady in that chair
and you all feel like, what are you talking about?
Why are you even thinking about it?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Sitting there?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And he'll say stuff like that, so it's this whole
like what if it's so? Then now all we respond
with is what if?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
What if?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
What if?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Okay, let's move into the Leo energy. So we kind
of got through the quirkiness, and I'm sure if you're listening,
like I would be curious how that plays out in
your life, the quirky, the innovative, the free thinking, the
head of your time does that? How does that Aquarius
energy play out with you? But then the Leo energy
is really interesting because honestly, if you can use them
to work together, it could become very beneficial. You create
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this really good idea and then you tap into this
Leo side that's like, well, I'm going to go make
that happen because I'm awesome and I believe in myself.
I feel like it's almost a little bit opposite of
the way you and I operate, like we're I don't
feel like we're very overly confident. Maybe, but can you
think through any times where that's played into your life,
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Like these Leo moments?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Do you have them?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
My move to Nashville felt like a Leo moment for
me because it was still I was ahead of the
curve on like country music becoming really mainstream, and I
had worked in New York and Los Angeles and people
thought I was crazy. They were like, You're going to
move to Nashville. And it wasn't just because I saw
the future of country music. It was there were several reasons,
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like I had really good friends here, I needed a change,
I didn't I wasn't happy in my job anymore. I
wanted to buy a house. So there were like factors
that played into it. But in hindsight, I do think
that there was some Leo energy in that, because I
was willing to do something that that very few people
are willing to do at that moment, and now everyone's
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trying to do this shit. So in fact, like all
the labels are trying to, you know, come from and
New York to take over here. I've made a few
like really bold choices. I mean, I'm a kid from
Bird's Nest, Virginia, right, and moved to New York like
a week after I graduated college. And then when I
was over that, I was like, I'm moving to Los
Angeles and I don't have a job, And so there
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are those sorts of things. Where my fear comes in
is when it doesn't feel like I have a safety
net or I'm going to end up like if I
think for a second, I'm going to end up with
pie on my face. That's when I pause. And that
is something that I'm working on this year, trying to
like really invest in myself and believe more in myself,
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because at fifty years old, it's I have had enough
successes in my life to actually believe that I can
achieve the things that.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I want to achieve. Channel your inner Leo, Yeah, there
we go.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I was thinking about it with dating with you, about
that story you told a couple I don't know, this
was a while back on the podcast about being at
that party and you were like, I saw this guy.
I thought he was really cute. I've walked past him
and then I was like nope, and you went back. Yeah,
and like introduced yourself Like that was a very bold
to have confidence in yourself kind of moment.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, it was. And I think, you know, my physical journey,
my health journey is helping with that.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
And I was recently, you know, dating somebody. It's probably
the right term, Like there was no real that we
weren't exclusive, and I had to like shut it down
in a way that I've never done it in the past,
because I'd like I am I do finally believe my value.
I felt like I was getting crumbs, and at a
certain point, I'm like, I cannot wrap my head around
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why it's worth wasting either person's time, because if my
time is being wasted by if I feel like my
time is being wasted by some they are wasting their
own time too. Yeah, I was just like, hey, no,
you know, no harm, no foul. This has been really fun,
But I'm going to go find someone who wants to
focus their time on me in the same way that
I want to focus my time on them, and I
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would have never done that before.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I was gonna say, my where I'm feeling it the
most in my life in the last couple of years
is definitely with dating. It's like, I think I had
to hit such a bottom with the kind of relationships
that I was allowing myself to participate in and the
way I was being treated, and then it like something
just switched, Like the last relationship that I had that
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I would deem toxic really sent me over the edge.
And I had like a couple other things happening in
life too, that contributed to this, but like it just
sent me over the edge of like no tolerance for
bullshit like you're talking about. And also like knowing what
I bring to a relationship finally like accepting that of
what I have to offer and not really tolerating anything
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less than what I deem to be worthy of that energy,
you know. And if I ever feel and this like
this goes for friendships, this goes for work. If I
feel like the dynamic is one sided, now I speak
up about it and I remove myself or I set
boundaries or I do whatever. And I would have never
done that in the past. But it's very much this
energy of like, if you want my energy in your life,
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you have to show up in a way that like
is within my vice too reciprocal.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yes, wow, you think too. I mean having sort of
stood beside you in that moment, like yeah, you coming
back from that, you now know that, like you're kind
of indestructible. I mean, nothing is going to kill It's
not going to kill you kill me. Yeah, if you
believe that you speaking up and setting a boundary will
improve the relationship and get help you get it to
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where you want it to be. For you to be happy,
then it's worth fucking speaking up. And if it ends
the relationship, then it was probably a really good thing
and you might cry about it for a week, but
you're gonna come out of it stronger. And I think
that episode in your life was like it took you
to such a dark place that you're like, I got this,
you know.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Well, and I had done series of that through my
whole thirties, and so I think, like you said, exactly,
this is it. It's like when you survive things that
you think you could never survive and you get through them,
you're like, okay, Like it's not gonna be pleasant, but
like I know now that if a relationship ends in
my life, it's not gonna kill me, like you said,
And I still have built a life that I love
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and can enjoy, and I will meet someone else again
and fall in love again.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Like it's not the end of the road.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I think I used to just feel so like doomsday
because we're painted this whole thing of soulmates and finding
your perfect match and all this stuff, and I'm like,
there's a lot of people that I think I could
be in relationship with, or you know, like I don't
I don't believe in like the one part.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
There's a lot of choice that goes into it, yes,
and to choose.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
To me, I'm never gonna stay with someone ever again
that doesn't align with with me in a positive evolutionary way,
like where we're like growing together, we have the same
kind of values, we're challenging each other those kind of things,
or that I'm being fulfilled and like it's being reciprocated,
like we said, like I just didn't realize how many
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breadcrumbs I was actually taking until I finally was like, yeah,
I don't want to do that again. And then now
that I have more, I'm like, oh my god, why
would I never have wanted this? And you know, like
I just didn't even understand what my options were.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
I guess, well, you know what's.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Funny is I saw this thing. I don't know how
old the clip was or who the person was. It
was a British guy. He was on the Drew Barrymore Show, Okay,
and he basically said, we're put on earth to take
care of one person, and it's our self.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
It's so true.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And if you're getting into a relationship because you think
you need to help that person, take care of whatever's
going on in their life. You're kind of doomed to
fail because you're not taking care of yourself. And you know,
it's really important in a relationship to have autonomy and
space and for you to be able to be you.
But when you're together, there's like some sort of like
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lightning that happens that makes it feel good. But you
shouldn't feel like that person is in your life to
fill some void, you know. You know, I look back
at this most recent person that I was thinking he
had a kid, and I think I never met the kid.
I haven't. I wasn't part of the kid's life, but
I do think that there was something exciting about, like, oh, well,
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maybe one day that kid will be mine. And it
was like, that wasn't me taking care of myself. Well,
it was me looking at a situation and maybe trying
to fill a void in my life when I don't
even know if i'd one percent want a kid. And
by the way, I definitely don't know that I want
a kid that I've never met.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Exactly, you know, just when I say too, there's there's
a lot more complexity to those kind of situations too,
and so but the good thing you learned is like, oh,
there's some sort of void. So like now you can go, oh,
you can get curious about that void in your own life.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
But yeah, I do think the Leo energy is a
really good one if you've been in a situation where
maybe you've been in one sided relationships, are not standing
up for yourself, not believing in yourself, not valuing yourself,
like to really tap into that specifically in your dating relationships.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Like, I'm into that the Leo.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
It's funny. I'm I'm reading a book right now called
No More Mister Nice Guy, and.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
It's and it's like, this is very Leo.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, And it's about how to find the things that
you want and love life and sex as a man
who identifies as a nice guy. And it's sort of
teaching me. I mean, it is teaching me where that
nice guy he calls it, the nice guy syndrome comes from. Yeah,
And you know, we all deal with abandonment, you know,
from the from the day we are born. And it's
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not it's not necessarily intentional. You know. It's like if
you're a baby and you're hungry and no one's hearing
you crying, you feel abandoned. It's just a natural thing.
And so a lot of men grow up with a
lot of that, and in order to feel like they
can be loved, they feel like they have to sacrifice
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themselves to be the nice guy, to serve everyone else.
And this book is about a guy who coaches men
through the process of breaking that down so that you
can pour into yourself and arrive in whatever relationships, whether
their friends, work, whatever, love, sex, just life. You can
arrive as your whole self, loving yourself, confident in yourself,
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knowing that you will be loved no matter what. And
it's really interesting. So I feel like I am sort
of digging for that Leo energy I know I have.
I mean, I walk into a room. It's weird. I
am such a yin and yang of myself because I
walk into a room feeling very confident, but also expect
nobody to like me. And I've never met I've never
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ever had anyone tell me they don't like me.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
You can anyone who doesn't like you, and it's it's.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
A weird thing. I don't know where that comes from.
I'm and that's I think stuff that I've internalized, probably
from being recognizing that I was gay as a young
kid and having to hide it and wanting everyone to
like me, and the older I get like I'm learning
like I don't want everyone to like me. That's exhausting.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Well, if everyone likes you, someone did teach me this
along the way, You're probably not being fully authentically yourself
because we're not for everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Right, Yeah, that's the mistery in me.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, which I think that's I love that mister nice
guy point. And I think you really do sound like
you're leaning more into Leo than you even knew.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
So I love that.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
If you had to decide between the two, like I'm
going to be fully Aquarius or fully Leo, which one
would you pick? I can't really think about that because
I think they're both really interesting in my life.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I think Aquarius is suiting. I mean, it's yes, the
weird genius thing suit. I think it suits me more.
I'm yeah, because I would I would much rather someone
think that I'm weird than cocky.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, I think that's where I would go to. Yeah, yes, yeah,
And I'd love to think about like creating some really.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Cool thing that helps.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
The future of our society, you know, like that excites
me way more than like give me all the praise
like that kind of thing. Yeah, well anyway, okay, so
do you see what I'm saying about these can be
ways that like astrology is actually that book perfect example
of how certain astrology and certain energy, Like you're reading
it right now for a reason. You were led to
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that for a reason. So it all ties together even
if you don't understand the actual like Leo Aquarius, which
is a new moon, all of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Which is funny because I feel like, I mean, I
feel like a baseline. Everyone's entry point into astrology is
when you read your horoscope in the morning or whatever, right,
And it's funny because there is a thing and this
is probably more often when and you don't really have
an understanding of astrology, you read it and you're like,
how does it know? Like how is that so right?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
How is it so spot one?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, And it feels like that almost every single time
I actually read one. And then I guess the more
in depth you get with the understanding of astrology, you're like, oh, well,
that's because it's supposed to.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
No, it's literally a map out for you. People are
just like, oh, I don't believe in astrology. Whatever, and like, Okay,
well I'm going to take the map and like figure
out the way, but you can go without it if
you want.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Well, I think this is a really good kind of
juxtaposition to the deep talks I do with Marv about astrology.
Is just to also mention like it can be very
baseline that you're learning about this stuff and you can
still apply it to your life, and I just think
it's really interesting. So if you guys are going through
that and you're having experiences that you want to share
with us, you can always email us at the Edge
at velvetedge dot com. You can also hit me up
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on Instagram. I'm at Velvet.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Edge Chip, I'm at Chip DOORSH. It's Chip d r H.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And as you guys go into the weekends and you're
living on the edge, I hope you always remember too
A casual bad fine
Speaker 2 (38:12):
M H.
Well, well, well, I'm really happy that we could be
grace with your presence after the disaster that I just
saw taking place in your living room.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
I mean, I just came home. I have an eight
month old boxer puppy and I'm trying to not leave
him in the crate anymore when I leave the house
for a little bit, and I came home to what
looked like a bloodbath all over my couch. He had
gotten It's a not sponsored pilot Precise V five red
pen and it is everywhere. It is everywhere, And instantly
(00:34):
I knew which dog it was because his paw is red,
his chin is.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Red, like a walking pelle on himself.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
And like there's a book all torn apart, like he
was very obviously on my dining room table, and I'm
just like, oh my gosh, Like what have I done?
But he's so cute. It's hard.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
It is real cute, real cute. I'm real sweet. But
I would make me want to murder him.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
I just have to, like, I know, all of his
mistakes are my mistakes. Like I just have to make
more time to like get his energy out in the
morning so that I can leave him, or I just
have to be fine with him being in a great one.
I'm gone for a couple of hours.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
The life of a puppy dad.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
I know. It just stinks when you have a dog
that is so good and I could leave him in
the house for twenty four hours and he wouldn't touch
a thing or pee. So it's I fall I'm very lucky,
and you're.
Speaker 3 (01:26):
Having to retrain yourself from us.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
You're right, that's what it is.
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
Well, this week, obviously, is the first week of February,
and as you guys know, in the first week of
the month, Marv, my master astrologer, always comes on to
the podcast and talks about what the energy of the
month is going to be. He talks about the new moon,
the full moon, all the other transits that are happening.
And I sent to Chip kind of, you know, we
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take our Friday podcast from our Wednesday podcast topics, and
I sent him kind of what we had talked about
with Marv this on the podcast, and he was like, literally,
this sounds like did you gobbledgook?
Speaker 3 (02:06):
He just doesn't. You don't really know that much about astrology.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And and it's like, even when you just said transit,
I'm like, what is it a train? Like the the
way the words fit together to me is.
Speaker 3 (02:18):
It's just a foreign language.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
It is a foreign language, and I shut down. And
the weird thing is is like I appreciate it and
I'm yeah, like I sense that it is very real,
but it's it's a foreign language, and it just makes
me go, WHOA. None of the speaks like that sentence
doesn't make sense to me. So anyone who's listening, if
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you're in the same boat as me, I would love
to know. And anyone who's overcome that, I would love
to know how you did it without having to like
go to college and study it.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
Well, Okay, I feel like you're being a little dramatic.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
I mean that's what it feels like to me. Though
it feels like a whole like I need a major
in it, I.
Speaker 1 (03:00):
Do feel like that is how a lot of people feel.
And so I'm glad that you can express those sentiments
about the topic because I know it's something I've learned
a lot about in the last couple of years, and
I almost forget how much I've learned because I'll just
talk about it and I have a lot of friends
who I can talk about it with. But then it's
like when I meet someone who doesn't actually know what
that stuff is, they're like, huh.
Speaker 2 (03:23):
Yeah, I'll be sitting around with y'all and you're like,
blah blah blah. It's such a leout. Uh what's your birthday?
It may sex oh you're this. I'm like, I'm here.
I am like. Maybe it's because like it makes me
feel small, Like I don't feel.
Speaker 3 (03:36):
Like, oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
It's like a weird thing. It's like a defense mechanism.
Maybe I don't know.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
But these are great things that astrology is bringing up
for you to explore and dive deeper, which is one
of the whole reasons I love it. It teaches us
about ourselves. But yeah, so one of the things I
said to you, and I think this goes for the
listeners too. When I'm talking with Marv, I know it
is heavy on the actual astrology talk because we're talking
about the specifics of what's happening with the planets and
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the houses and all those things. And though what I
try to do with him is talk about the bigger message,
and with you today, that was kind of how I
wanted to incorporate it was to touch on maybe some
of the energy's happening, but to bring it back down
to earth and say, like, how does this play out
in your life right without you having to understand the
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new moon and the full moon and the transits and
all the things that I just have.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I was like the houses in the store.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Oh yeah, see, this is where it does get very complex.
And again, like I forget. It's taken me years to
learn the stuff I learn, and I literally learned something
new every time I'm talking to anyone in astrology or
who has a heavy background in this. So it's just
like this never ending cycle of learning. So don't feel
like overwhelmed by that. It's just like you just take
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a little bit as it comes and just learn the
little things like you know your double scorpio, you know
you have a Pisoce's moon. Those are things you just learned.
Those are great, right right?
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I should write that down so I don't forget it,
and then I'll.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Teach you about what that means too. But today Marvin
I talked a lot about the Aquarius new moon and
also the Leo full moon, which is a very interesting
thing happening right now because Aquarius and Leo are on
opposite ends of the spectrum. And I'll try to keep
it as simple as I can when describing this, but
that makes the energy's very different. So like Aquarius, if
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you meet anyone that has an Aquarius in their top three,
like their sun, their moon, or their rising, they're probably
a little quirky. There may be the outsider of the crew,
they're the one with new innovative ideas, but a lot
of times they're almost like ahead of their time, Like
it's just a very kind of individual, detached, freethinking kind
(05:45):
of energy. And then a Leo, which you know a
lot of leo's like our friend Tyler that was on
the podcast last week, the travel Agent, He's a LEO
and like you know, Tyler is just so cute and
he knows it. That's a Leah like that that energy
kind of the Leo is the lion, the king, the
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like the regals. Definitely, but also like a confidence is
what I would say, Like a LEO knows they're good
at things, they're bold, they're adventurous, and they feel themselves
about it. Like you know, a lot of different signs, Yeah,
a lot of different signs are maybe a little more
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timid or they could be really great at stuff, but
they would never give themselves that credit. A Leo's always
going to give themselves that credit, Like I envy a
Leo energy, like I love that energy because I'm like, yeah,
do you and they will like that is definitely them.
So that's kind of just like I told you before,
I was like, I'm gonna set the scene. These are
the things that like, those are the energies that we're
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going to be talking about a little bit today. But
with you, I thought it would be kind of fun
if we dove a little more into like just the
different sides of things and ask ourselves some or answer
some interesting questions just individually about stuff that could come
up within these energies. So like, for instance, the Aquarius energy,
we could say basically like let's get weird and because
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that's very aquarian, and I thought, okay, what are what's aquarian?
A quirky? Uh, let's talk about quirky habits. So we
kind of touched on this a little bit when we
were talking about relationships. But do you have any quirky
habits that you would like to share with the listeners
that maybe could speak to your inner aquarian.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
Well, it's funny because I mean, I guess this is
a habit. Like I have this thing where I'm when
I'm talking to people, I bite the hairs in my
mustache if they're too long, and I do it all
the time. Though, well I do that too, but it's
like a weird, quirky thing. And in the middle of
doing it, I realize I'm doing it too, and I'm like,
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people must think it's so weird. And I don't know
where it came from. But it's like, if there is
a hair that feels a little bit longer than the
one next to it, yeah, I have to like.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
Storten it, but like you want to shorten it with
your tongue.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yeah, well I'll just bend my lip. It's like it's yeah,
for those of you who can't see it, it's like,
and it's mostly on the sides. That is probably the
weirdest thing that I do.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
To be honest, you don't have any like remember when
I was describing all the things I do for my sleep.
I feel like I have a lot. Like I do
a lot of things that I think people would be like, Okay.
Speaker 2 (08:25):
You're a quirky but more Aquarius.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
Well, I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:29):
I don't really think that I present that way, and
so people are often like my boyfriend now is like
I would have never when I first, like all the
years that I've known you, I would have never thought
that you had all these little quirks or whatever. And
now he looks at me and he just like giggles
about all the little weird stuff that I do.
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah, but I don't think I put it on.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
I mean I thought about it over the last several
hours and I really don't. I mean, it's it's not
that weird. I like to pee outside, but like I'm
a dude and I wrote that country though, but.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
What we've talked about, I don't get it.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
I mean, it's just easier than having to flush a
toilet and clean a bathroom and I'm going outside with
my dogs. But like even last night, I went to
a party like this, like screening, and I had to
pee And when I got in my car, I just
peed by my car and got my car and left.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
That is so okay. This is a quirky habit.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Yeah, And some of that is just it's so convenient.
It's so much easier, you know, I don't have to
like pull my pants down and squat. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (09:26):
Ability to do that. I was gonna say, have a.
Speaker 2 (09:29):
Yeah, that's what gives me the ability.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Well, right, because a girl it's so much trickier. And
I've had this conversation with so many guys. I've seen
so many guys do this, and I'm like, there's a
bathroom right there. I don't understand a lot of guys
that I've talked to you about it said there's something
powerful about it, like, especially if you're at your own house.
It's sort of this like I mean, I almost look
at it as a little bit animalistic of marking your territory.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
Yeah, that's really interesting.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
Yeah, I pick my cue to and I love to
do it, like I literally love it. I don't know
why it's so satisfying, but that is like one of
my big tics yesterday. I have a girl who comes
to my house and does my nails and she's amazing.
I posted about her all the time on my Instagram
mobile Man of Curious if anyone wants to go look
her up. But she was at my house and I
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get these like sore spots around my thumb uh huh,
And I still won't stop it's almost like an ingrown
skin because I pick at it so much, and I'll
still keep picking at it, and it's like, why do
I do this? She goes, have you ever thought about stopping?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
I'm a nail biter and I've been really I've been
really good the last year about trying not to like, yeah,
because it's I would notice. I would be just in
a meeting biting my nails and it's like you're the
clicking and like, yeah, I don't have as many quirks
as I would have thought I did, And maybe it's
just hard for me to recognize them because they're just.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Things that ile to you.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
But yeah, I don't have too many like sort of
routine things. Yeah, definitely biting the hair, like and it's
like weird, I like fold my face up and no
one has ever said, what the fuck are you doing?
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I'm obviously going to start saying something now, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
Please tell me so I'll stop doing.
Speaker 3 (11:13):
Okay, well, have you seen me taking my keuticles? You
can say something, but I'm not exacting. I will not stop.
Speaker 1 (11:26):
This one probably applies to me again more weird trends
that you fall for, Like I think you know, like
wellness trends, uh, beauty trends like even I mean, you
could go dating, you could go fashion all over the
spiritual trends.
Speaker 3 (11:41):
That's I feel like.
Speaker 2 (11:41):
The one the space that I have always been the
most susceptible to falling for a trend is diet and
exercise stuff. Okay, and you know that's deeply rooted in
my own body issues. But like I have ordered some
of those like weird things, like the thing that like
shocks your belly. You know, it's just like battery operated
and it's like supposed to do.
Speaker 3 (12:02):
I try that. Got it for your butt?
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Though in theory it should work, you know, it is
exercising those muscles, but like it is not a replacement
fractional oh.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
It doesn't even really full stay.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
My favorite thing that I bought was and this is
hard to describe, but like I have my my chin
kind of goes diagonally to my neck and it's a
it's really a genetic thing. I'm shipped like my mom,
and it's yes, it would probably be better if I
lost some weight, but I don't think it's ever just
I'm going to have a super tight neck unless I
got like a neck lift. But I found this ball
(12:37):
that like you press under your and you put under
your neck and you like, yeah, nod your head, and
it's like it's it's kind of like a stress ball.
It's firm, yeah, and it's supposed to like tighten that up,
but really all it did was make the back of
my neck hurt.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
Oh so it's yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
The fitness, those sorts of things are the ones and
like we you know, like fad diets and stuff. And
I feel like I finally gotten had enough failed attempts
at all these bullshit things. And you know, I shouldn't
call them bullshit things because they do work for some people.
They're just not They're always marketed to work for everybody
and to be a quick fix. And I know that, like,
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as someone who has been overweight most of his life,
most of that is caused by me being too lazy
to fucking just fix it. Yeah, I'm looking for the
quick I've been looking for the quick fix. And now
that I have settled into an actual like routine of
working out and eating better, I'm seeing the results that
(13:34):
I've been dying for my whole life. And then, you know,
the window shopping of online dating is I don't know
that that's like a trend, but I've certainly been sucked
into that, and that too is a corner cutter. It
means I don't have to like go out to the
bar and put myself in a weird situation and step
outside of my comfort zone and talk to a stranger.
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I can feel it out online and if they don't respond,
it's like there's no you know, you don't rejection in
those cases.
Speaker 1 (14:01):
So, yeah, that's interesting. That almost ties more into the
Leo conversation. Maybe we'll circle back to that, Okay. I
definitely fall into like the beauty trends. I mean, I'll
try anything just because it's exciting to me, because it's
my job too, and I'm always curious what are the
new innovations we could come so far in like skincare,
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beauty trends as far as like what you can do
with aging, and I'm always looking for like a more
holistic approach. But then also like what are the advances
in science that we can use, So I'll I mean,
I definitely will try stuff with that. I think I
fall under it with the spiritual trends or practices as well,
(14:44):
just because I'm so interested in that side of it,
which I guess could be considered beauty too. We talk
about on this podcast like beauty is both external and internal,
and with the spiritual stuff, I'm like, cool, let me
try this new process. Or have I ever told you
about the lady in Bali with the electric hands?
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
People don't even think I'm crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:06):
But like, so when I went to Bali, my friend
Mary and I were like, let's try a bunch of
the different kind of healers that they have, you know,
And I'm very open to that, and so is she,
and we'll kind of just lean in, like I mean,
we've done some weird shit together, Like we've gone to
conventions where you do like ecstatic dance and you're inner
room of strangers just like dancing and contorting your body
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and you're supposed to just get lost.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
In the moment, you know, and we do.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
And a lot of people I think if they ever
saw us and be like, what are y'all doing?
Speaker 2 (15:36):
I'm so mad. I wasn't there. Yeah, you, well, just
as a spectator, I.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Think you would have liked it. As a spectator.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
I'd be curious how you would feel about it.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
I mean I was a drama major. We had to
do a lot of that weird.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Tra That's true. That's true. That's true.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I forget about the trauma major. But you're doing this sober.
It's not like you have any sort of like drug
or alcohol to numb the effect or like the impact
of how odd it kind of is. But one of
the things we tried was in Bali. There was this
girl and the story behind her skill set I guess
you would call it is that she was literally just
(16:10):
like living a normal life, working a normal job. She
was in the shower one day and all of a sudden,
I think, or shower like washing her hands or something
happened in her house that triggered an electric current to
basically go into her body, and so all of a sudden,
her hands became like an electric socket. So she literally
(16:32):
was like a showering and something happened where she felt
it and was like what in the heck, because she
like shocked herself basically, But for like seven years after that,
she couldn't get it to stop. So she had to
quit her job because she couldn't type on a computer
and stuff like that. She literally was like fell into
this deep depression. She said, because she was like, I
can't even like touch anything because I just shock it.
(16:56):
And then finally, I don't know, seven years later, had
like voice come to her and say, you're supposed to
help people with this skill set. And now in Balie,
she does these sessions where you basically like you go in,
you get on the table, she puts a wet towel
on your feet and kind of puts like this little
(17:18):
like pan of water underneath your feet. So and then
she basically electrocutes the trauma out of your body.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
I mean, it's she there.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
She got from Balie. She so basically Mary and I
kept making jokes of like we because she did one
on my like in the between my brows, which basically
feels like your brain, and I started seeing white like
I was, I mean my eyes were closed, but it
was like the light was there. I was literally, am
I dying? You know, like I don't know, and Mary
(17:49):
was like, I think you got a stroke. Though for sure,
we just felt like we had these big releases and
it was wild. I mean, she would be running her hand.
I couldn't have taken more than thirty minutes, which is
what the session was, running her hand all over your
body kind of like a massage, but she's using oils
and stuff, so like her hand. The second it touches you,
it really is like being like not electrocuted.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
But there's looking battery that you know, have you ever
done that? A nine volt battery where you I have.
Speaker 1 (18:18):
Not done that, but that could go under your weird
quirks I think.
Speaker 2 (18:22):
I mean that was something I did as a kid.
Speaker 1 (18:23):
Okay, sure, whatever you tell yourself. But anyway, so yeah,
like though that was a very interesting experience and it
was so crazy because she had me doing these affirmations
when she had her fingers on my brain and I
was telling you, guys.
Speaker 3 (18:37):
Us all white.
Speaker 1 (18:38):
But it really did help me release something that I
was really really stuck on. And it was almost just
like it like lifted out of my body. It was crazy.
So yeah, like those are definitely quirky, I think interesting.
Maybe they're trends. I don't know if they're trends.
Speaker 2 (18:53):
It's more so I feel like it's more of an
evolution for you. Yeah, like that's a searching for you.
I mean, this is a little but I wonder what
happens when she masturbates.
Speaker 3 (19:03):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (19:03):
I wonder if there's an effect on her.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
I had so many questions, but we didn't have time
to ask her, But I was like, how does she
touch anyone?
Speaker 3 (19:10):
Like?
Speaker 1 (19:11):
It is interesting though, because she did put the wet
like the towel on us, and she was using oil.
So I'm wondering if she knows how to like harness
it and it would.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
Just make it active what's the word for? Like it's
like you have to have that for it to flow,
you know, it's like a can do it. Yeah, if
it's it conducts it. So if you were to touch
the electric line and hang from it outside, you'd be fine.
But the second you touch somewhere for it to flow
through you, right, it would shock you. So she creates
the path for that to move. That's crazy that it
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stays in her though, Like she is right.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
And think about why she would be so depressed for
so long because she couldn't function. I'm sure she probably
had to really figure out how to function.
Speaker 3 (19:53):
Yeah, I don't know. It's fascinating to me.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
That's cool. I would let her do that to me.
Speaker 1 (19:59):
I thought this was an interesting thought to think about
with you with this Aquarius energy, because we have this
joke with you about the what if and also the
BDI the billion dollar idea, and you are constantly thinking
this way, which to me would be you tapping into
this Aquarius energy in a way because you're innovative, you're
coming up with new ideas, you're thinking outside of the box.
(20:20):
So can you explain to people what that is with
you and why we have that joke in our friend group?
And then is there any specific one in particular that
you're like, this was a really bizarre idea and then
someone went and did it.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Oh, OK, that's happened to you a bunch a bunch.
Speaker 2 (20:34):
When you sent me the description of the quirkiness and
the forward thinking Aquarius qualities, I was like, oh, I
have this.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Just let me touch in on that for a second.
Everybody has every part right as a part of every
sign in their chart, and so we do have all
of it. And I need to go look back at
your chart and see if you have any particular planets
in Aquarius in your chart, because that would just maximize
that energy. So maybe that is why you feel that, Yeah,
(21:02):
But like it also depends the house thing comes into
play of like wherever we have Aquarius, Like I have
Aquarius in my tenth house, which is your house of
career and public facing stuff, and so probably in my
career I'll do something a little out of the box, innovative, whatever,
which is what I do. If you think about it,
(21:22):
nobody else does grooming and styling. And then like the
podcast thing, I'm trying to connect the dots between beauty
and all that stuff, and I haven't seen that done either,
where someone works on outsides and insides, and so it's
like thinks a little bit outside of the box.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
I mean, you also had a blog and stuff way
before a lot of I even knew what a blog was.
Speaker 1 (21:40):
Oh, totally, Like I'm over it now when people are
still doing it, and I'm like, I was doing that
however a little bit ahead of my time probably.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
So yeah, but that's just an interesting way to learn
about it is how it applies in your actual life.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
Yeah. So yeah, goes my my what if thing? And
you know, I should probably preface this that I've been
smoking weed since I was in high school. But I'm
not always stoned. I'm not always stoned, and I'm not
always stoned when I have a what if now, I
am not, in fact, I haven't smoked or had a
drink in five days, so I'm very clear. I just
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see the world through like a very quirky lens. Yes,
And I have this crazy imagination where I'm always like,
what if I'll give you an example. This was very
early days reality shows, and I was like, what if
we could get someone to donate any plastic surgery that
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you wanted or free, but you get it done on television.
And I can remember, I can remember having the conversation
with my friend Alyssa in the back of a cab
in New York City. And then the first was The Swan.
Do you remember that show? After I had that conversation
with her. And for those of you who don't know
(23:02):
The Swan, the Swan was for women who deemed themselves
ugly trying to become pretty, and I guess the producers
deemed them ugly too, and it was like they could
get whatever plastic surgery they wanted in order to, you know,
come out of their cocoon as a beautiful swamp.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
They would do so much too, and then they would
have a full makeover with like hair and makeup and styling.
Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yep, all of that.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, it's kind of a little bit shotspired about
the whole, like you need to change all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (23:31):
But I think it was I think they were all
things that they wanted done. Yeah, yeah, but I'm sure
it's been so long since it was on television, but
I'm sure there was somebody there being like, you should
do this, you should do this, you should Yes, but
they were probably coming from a more like broad approach,
like I don't like my hips and you know, my
nose is big, and blah blah blah, and then the
doctors got a little bit more specific. There are so
(23:52):
many what ifs, and the thing is is they just
roll out of my mouth and sometimes I'm not even thinking.
And We've got a friend name Ryan who thinks it's
the funniest thing in the world because he just he
can't wrap his head around my imagination.
Speaker 1 (24:06):
Because your brain, it's like where do you come up
with this?
Speaker 2 (24:10):
Like I'll be like, I mean this, I would never
do this, but I'd be like, what if I went
over there and smack that old lady in that chair
and you all feel like, what are you talking about?
Why are you even thinking about it?
Speaker 3 (24:21):
Sitting there?
Speaker 1 (24:21):
And he'll say stuff like that, so it's this whole
like what if it's so? Then now all we respond
with is what if?
Speaker 3 (24:27):
What if?
Speaker 2 (24:28):
What if?
Speaker 1 (24:38):
Okay, let's move into the Leo energy. So we kind
of got through the quirkiness, and I'm sure if you're listening,
like I would be curious how that plays out in
your life, the quirky, the innovative, the free thinking, the
head of your time does that? How does that Aquarius
energy play out with you? But then the Leo energy
is really interesting because honestly, if you can use them
to work together, it could become very beneficial. You create
(25:00):
this really good idea and then you tap into this
Leo side that's like, well, I'm going to go make
that happen because I'm awesome and I believe in myself.
I feel like it's almost a little bit opposite of
the way you and I operate, like we're I don't
feel like we're very overly confident. Maybe, but can you
think through any times where that's played into your life,
(25:23):
Like these Leo moments?
Speaker 3 (25:25):
Do you have them?
Speaker 2 (25:26):
My move to Nashville felt like a Leo moment for
me because it was still I was ahead of the
curve on like country music becoming really mainstream, and I
had worked in New York and Los Angeles and people
thought I was crazy. They were like, You're going to
move to Nashville. And it wasn't just because I saw
the future of country music. It was there were several reasons,
(25:48):
like I had really good friends here, I needed a change,
I didn't I wasn't happy in my job anymore. I
wanted to buy a house. So there were like factors
that played into it. But in hindsight, I do think
that there was some Leo energy in that, because I
was willing to do something that that very few people
are willing to do at that moment, and now everyone's
(26:10):
trying to do this shit. So in fact, like all
the labels are trying to, you know, come from and
New York to take over here. I've made a few
like really bold choices. I mean, I'm a kid from
Bird's Nest, Virginia, right, and moved to New York like
a week after I graduated college. And then when I
was over that, I was like, I'm moving to Los
Angeles and I don't have a job, And so there
(26:32):
are those sorts of things. Where my fear comes in
is when it doesn't feel like I have a safety
net or I'm going to end up like if I
think for a second, I'm going to end up with
pie on my face. That's when I pause. And that
is something that I'm working on this year, trying to
like really invest in myself and believe more in myself,
(26:52):
because at fifty years old, it's I have had enough
successes in my life to actually believe that I can
achieve the things that.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
I want to achieve. Channel your inner Leo, Yeah, there
we go.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
I was thinking about it with dating with you, about
that story you told a couple I don't know, this
was a while back on the podcast about being at
that party and you were like, I saw this guy.
I thought he was really cute. I've walked past him
and then I was like nope, and you went back. Yeah,
and like introduced yourself Like that was a very bold
to have confidence in yourself kind of moment.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
Yeah, it was. And I think, you know, my physical journey,
my health journey is helping with that.
Speaker 3 (27:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (27:28):
And I was recently, you know, dating somebody. It's probably
the right term, Like there was no real that we
weren't exclusive, and I had to like shut it down
in a way that I've never done it in the past,
because I'd like I am I do finally believe my value.
I felt like I was getting crumbs, and at a
certain point, I'm like, I cannot wrap my head around
(27:51):
why it's worth wasting either person's time, because if my
time is being wasted by if I feel like my
time is being wasted by some they are wasting their
own time too. Yeah, I was just like, hey, no,
you know, no harm, no foul. This has been really fun,
But I'm going to go find someone who wants to
focus their time on me in the same way that
I want to focus my time on them, and I
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would have never done that before.
Speaker 1 (28:16):
I was gonna say, my where I'm feeling it the
most in my life in the last couple of years
is definitely with dating. It's like, I think I had
to hit such a bottom with the kind of relationships
that I was allowing myself to participate in and the
way I was being treated, and then it like something
just switched, Like the last relationship that I had that
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I would deem toxic really sent me over the edge.
And I had like a couple other things happening in
life too, that contributed to this, but like it just
sent me over the edge of like no tolerance for
bullshit like you're talking about. And also like knowing what
I bring to a relationship finally like accepting that of
what I have to offer and not really tolerating anything
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less than what I deem to be worthy of that energy,
you know. And if I ever feel and this like
this goes for friendships, this goes for work. If I
feel like the dynamic is one sided, now I speak
up about it and I remove myself or I set
boundaries or I do whatever. And I would have never
done that in the past. But it's very much this
energy of like, if you want my energy in your life,
(29:22):
you have to show up in a way that like
is within my vice too reciprocal.
Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yes, wow, you think too. I mean having sort of
stood beside you in that moment, like yeah, you coming
back from that, you now know that, like you're kind
of indestructible. I mean, nothing is going to kill It's
not going to kill you kill me. Yeah, if you
believe that you speaking up and setting a boundary will
improve the relationship and get help you get it to
(29:50):
where you want it to be. For you to be happy,
then it's worth fucking speaking up. And if it ends
the relationship, then it was probably a really good thing
and you might cry about it for a week, but
you're gonna come out of it stronger. And I think
that episode in your life was like it took you
to such a dark place that you're like, I got this,
you know.
Speaker 1 (30:10):
Well, and I had done series of that through my
whole thirties, and so I think, like you said, exactly,
this is it. It's like when you survive things that
you think you could never survive and you get through them,
you're like, okay, Like it's not gonna be pleasant, but
like I know now that if a relationship ends in
my life, it's not gonna kill me, like you said,
And I still have built a life that I love
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and can enjoy, and I will meet someone else again
and fall in love again.
Speaker 3 (30:37):
Like it's not the end of the road.
Speaker 1 (30:38):
I think I used to just feel so like doomsday
because we're painted this whole thing of soulmates and finding
your perfect match and all this stuff, and I'm like,
there's a lot of people that I think I could
be in relationship with, or you know, like I don't
I don't believe in like the one part.
Speaker 2 (30:52):
There's a lot of choice that goes into it, yes,
and to choose.
Speaker 1 (30:56):
To me, I'm never gonna stay with someone ever again
that doesn't align with with me in a positive evolutionary way,
like where we're like growing together, we have the same
kind of values, we're challenging each other those kind of things,
or that I'm being fulfilled and like it's being reciprocated,
like we said, like I just didn't realize how many
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breadcrumbs I was actually taking until I finally was like, yeah,
I don't want to do that again. And then now
that I have more, I'm like, oh my god, why
would I never have wanted this? And you know, like
I just didn't even understand what my options were.
Speaker 3 (31:30):
I guess, well, you know what's.
Speaker 2 (31:30):
Funny is I saw this thing. I don't know how
old the clip was or who the person was. It
was a British guy. He was on the Drew Barrymore Show, Okay,
and he basically said, we're put on earth to take
care of one person, and it's our self.
Speaker 3 (31:45):
It's so true.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
And if you're getting into a relationship because you think
you need to help that person, take care of whatever's
going on in their life. You're kind of doomed to
fail because you're not taking care of yourself. And you know,
it's really important in a relationship to have autonomy and
space and for you to be able to be you.
But when you're together, there's like some sort of like
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lightning that happens that makes it feel good. But you
shouldn't feel like that person is in your life to
fill some void, you know. You know, I look back
at this most recent person that I was thinking he
had a kid, and I think I never met the kid.
I haven't. I wasn't part of the kid's life, but
I do think that there was something exciting about, like, oh, well,
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maybe one day that kid will be mine. And it
was like, that wasn't me taking care of myself. Well,
it was me looking at a situation and maybe trying
to fill a void in my life when I don't
even know if i'd one percent want a kid. And
by the way, I definitely don't know that I want
a kid that I've never met.
Speaker 1 (32:48):
Exactly, you know, just when I say too, there's there's
a lot more complexity to those kind of situations too,
and so but the good thing you learned is like, oh,
there's some sort of void. So like now you can go, oh,
you can get curious about that void in your own life.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
Right.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
But yeah, I do think the Leo energy is a
really good one if you've been in a situation where
maybe you've been in one sided relationships, are not standing
up for yourself, not believing in yourself, not valuing yourself,
like to really tap into that specifically in your dating relationships.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
Like, I'm into that the Leo.
Speaker 2 (33:20):
It's funny. I'm I'm reading a book right now called
No More Mister Nice Guy, and.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
It's and it's like, this is very Leo.
Speaker 2 (33:27):
Yeah, And it's about how to find the things that
you want and love life and sex as a man
who identifies as a nice guy. And it's sort of
teaching me. I mean, it is teaching me where that
nice guy he calls it, the nice guy syndrome comes from. Yeah,
And you know, we all deal with abandonment, you know,
from the from the day we are born. And it's
(33:49):
not it's not necessarily intentional. You know. It's like if
you're a baby and you're hungry and no one's hearing
you crying, you feel abandoned. It's just a natural thing.
And so a lot of men grow up with a
lot of that, and in order to feel like they
can be loved, they feel like they have to sacrifice
(34:10):
themselves to be the nice guy, to serve everyone else.
And this book is about a guy who coaches men
through the process of breaking that down so that you
can pour into yourself and arrive in whatever relationships, whether
their friends, work, whatever, love, sex, just life. You can
arrive as your whole self, loving yourself, confident in yourself,
(34:35):
knowing that you will be loved no matter what. And
it's really interesting. So I feel like I am sort
of digging for that Leo energy I know I have.
I mean, I walk into a room. It's weird. I
am such a yin and yang of myself because I
walk into a room feeling very confident, but also expect
nobody to like me. And I've never met I've never
(34:59):
ever had anyone tell me they don't like me.
Speaker 3 (35:02):
You can anyone who doesn't like you, and it's it's.
Speaker 2 (35:04):
A weird thing. I don't know where that comes from.
I'm and that's I think stuff that I've internalized, probably
from being recognizing that I was gay as a young
kid and having to hide it and wanting everyone to
like me, and the older I get like I'm learning
like I don't want everyone to like me. That's exhausting.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
Well, if everyone likes you, someone did teach me this
along the way, You're probably not being fully authentically yourself
because we're not for everybody.
Speaker 2 (35:28):
Right, Yeah, that's the mistery in me.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
Yeah, which I think that's I love that mister nice
guy point. And I think you really do sound like
you're leaning more into Leo than you even knew.
Speaker 3 (35:38):
So I love that.
Speaker 1 (35:40):
If you had to decide between the two, like I'm
going to be fully Aquarius or fully Leo, which one
would you pick? I can't really think about that because
I think they're both really interesting in my life.
Speaker 2 (35:50):
I think Aquarius is suiting. I mean, it's yes, the
weird genius thing suit. I think it suits me more.
I'm yeah, because I would I would much rather someone
think that I'm weird than cocky.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
Yeah, I think that's where I would go to. Yeah, yes, yeah,
And I'd love to think about like creating some really.
Speaker 3 (36:13):
Cool thing that helps.
Speaker 1 (36:14):
The future of our society, you know, like that excites
me way more than like give me all the praise
like that kind of thing. Yeah, well anyway, okay, so
do you see what I'm saying about these can be
ways that like astrology is actually that book perfect example
of how certain astrology and certain energy, Like you're reading
it right now for a reason. You were led to
(36:34):
that for a reason. So it all ties together even
if you don't understand the actual like Leo Aquarius, which
is a new moon, all of that stuff.
Speaker 2 (36:44):
Which is funny because I feel like, I mean, I
feel like a baseline. Everyone's entry point into astrology is
when you read your horoscope in the morning or whatever, right,
And it's funny because there is a thing and this
is probably more often when and you don't really have
an understanding of astrology, you read it and you're like,
how does it know? Like how is that so right?
Speaker 3 (37:05):
How is it so spot one?
Speaker 2 (37:06):
Yeah, And it feels like that almost every single time
I actually read one. And then I guess the more
in depth you get with the understanding of astrology, you're like, oh, well,
that's because it's supposed to.
Speaker 1 (37:19):
No, it's literally a map out for you. People are
just like, oh, I don't believe in astrology. Whatever, and like, Okay,
well I'm going to take the map and like figure
out the way, but you can go without it if
you want.
Speaker 3 (37:31):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (37:31):
Well, I think this is a really good kind of
juxtaposition to the deep talks I do with Marv about astrology.
Is just to also mention like it can be very
baseline that you're learning about this stuff and you can
still apply it to your life, and I just think
it's really interesting. So if you guys are going through
that and you're having experiences that you want to share
with us, you can always email us at the Edge
at velvetedge dot com. You can also hit me up
(37:54):
on Instagram. I'm at Velvet.
Speaker 2 (37:55):
Edge Chip, I'm at Chip DOORSH. It's Chip d r H.
Speaker 1 (38:01):
And as you guys go into the weekends and you're
living on the edge, I hope you always remember too
A casual bad fine
Speaker 2 (38:12):
M H.
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