May 18, 2020 • 22 mins
Kelly talks to badass country music singer, Lindsay Ell about the inequalities for women in country music and why that happened. She also tells Kelly why she will never feel like she is done learning how to play guitar and what dating has looked like for her in quarantine.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Kelly Henderson and you are listening to at
Home on the Velvet Edge podcast. This week, my guest
is country music singer and guitar playing Badass Lindsay L.
Lindsey and I talked about what it took for her
to become so good at playing guitar and why she
never actually feels like she will be done learning. We
also tackled the topic of inequalities for women in country
music and how it makes her grind that much harder. Plus,
(00:23):
she answered some dating questions and told us if she
has been hooking up in quarantine. Here's our conversation. Lindsay L,
what's up, Kelly. It is so good to talk to you. Oh,
you know, just live in the best part. You and
I were just talking before the podcasting. We're like, you said,
how are you? And I was like, oh, you know,
(00:43):
just another day of quarantine, Like what is this life?
I don't know if that's honestly what it feels like
like this is becoming the new normal. It's just the norm. Yeah,
So tell me what is your day to day look like,
because I know obviously it's very different from what it
was before quarantine, very different. I used to play. I
(01:05):
mean last year we played two shows. I was on
eighty days, so this has been a direct one eighty
from that life. Like I have never spent this much
time at home, like waking up in my own bed,
cooking in my kitchen every day, which is a blessing
like that. That part feels really, really nice. The other
(01:26):
part of it, it just it feels so different. I
feel like I should be packing a suitcase and going
on the road and I'm not. At the beginning of
this quarantine, I was finishing my album, which actually was
so nice because I was pretty busy. I was working
with my producer Dan Huff remotely, so I would record
vocals and guitars from my little studio at my house
(01:47):
and then send files to him. He'd work his magic,
he'd send them back and so for the first three
weeks I was finishing my album remotely. Slammed. I was
totally slammed. And now I'm like into the Once I
turned all the files from my album in, I was like, Okay,
now what do what do normal people do? I don't
(02:10):
have a boyfriend. I live alone, and so I've been
quarantined in the house by myself for over fifty days now.
Oh my god, are you talking to random things in
your house as if they're your friends. I have been
like talking aloud. I put string lights up in my
living room to make it feel like a little bit
more cheery. Right, it's cozier. I like it. I know,
(02:32):
I know, I don't know. At this point, it's like
literally one day at a time. Absolutely you said you could.
I mean you cook. I know you cook a lot
because I see it on your Instagram. What have you
been cooking? So I've been eating pretty well vegan for
the past year. I'm not like super religious about it,
but I try to stay to it. So I've been
cooking a lot of like veggie burgers. I make this
(02:55):
really amazing like cauliflower cross pizza. I just like cooks
floor with different things. You know. That's been the main
thing for me is I have to really branch out,
Like I've gotten a couple of new cookbooks because I
just get so monotinous, and then my brain is like
I don't know what else to cook because we've been
cooking more meals than the I personally have ever cooked. Yeah,
(03:16):
than ever, I know, And in a way it's kind
of exciting because you get to be a little bit
more adventurous. But then there are days I just want quarantine,
so up and down. Like some days I wake up
and I feel great and I opened the curtains and
let light in. I'm like, okay, bring on this day.
And other days like the exact opposite dark. I don't
(03:36):
want to cook anything. I'm eating ice cream out of
my freezer. I feel like that's how everyone is. It's
just and you kind of got to ride ride the
waves of the emotions because it's all over the place.
It is all over the place, so so true. So
have you been playing a lot of guitar, because you
are definitely known for your guitar playing skills. I haven't.
(03:58):
I am you know, to be getting of this quarantine. Also,
things are pretty busy because our our friends at radio,
we're all asking for like content, and you know, every everybody.
It felt like everybody all of a sudden discovered the
Internet and they were like, let's do lives and let's
do this and do you have videos and can you
send covers? And so I haven't playing a lot of guitar,
(04:20):
but it's just been it's felt like work a little bit,
and it hasn't been really practicing and fun. And now
that we're like week nine or ten or whatever, um
we are in this quarantine, I'm like just scratching the
service to be like, Okay, maybe I should practice again,
actually work on my skills as a guitar player or
(04:42):
you know, playing piano or whatever. It is like starting
to dig a little bit deeper, which is I think
where the true magic lives. What does that look like
to get so good at something? Because, like I said,
you're known for being really great at guitar. When did
you start playing? So I started playing guitar when i' eight.
Pianos actually my first instrument when I was six, But
(05:03):
I've I picked up a guitar and I just didn't
want to put it down. I was so curious about
everything with it. And I've I've never really gotten to
a point where I thought I was good. And I
hope I really never get to a point where I
think I'm good. I mean, because I always just watch
people who could play circles around me and I'm like, okay,
(05:24):
well I need to learn how to do that, and
I need to learn how to be that fluid and
and you know, I read an article once it said
Bob King used to take a guitar lesson every day,
and Slain Dion still takes voice lessons all the time.
If they can still learn stuff, then I have a
long way to go. And so I never really look
at it as, oh, I'm a good guitar player. I like,
(05:45):
I love playing guitar, and I do it a lot.
But I have I have so much further to go,
you know, I have so much more I want to learn.
And the cool thing about living in Nashville is you
get to surround yourself with musician and who are out
of this world, like they're everywhere, They're everywhere, and they're
so great at what they do. You go down to
(06:07):
Broadway and you see these guys playing for mer tips
for a few hours, and they will amaze you. They'll
leave you speechless. I mean, they've been on so many
countless records, like hit records from Garth Brooks too, you know,
anybody on the radio today, and and yet they're playing
on Broadway for tips. I mean right now physically, but
(06:29):
but when things open back up again. And so Nashville
is a very humbling town to live in because you
can you can constantly be challenging yourself, I guess, and
just be like, Okay, yeah, I'm I know my way
around the guitar, but I could I could also be
so much better. Well, you actually covered an entire John
Mayor album, which as sam since he's also a fellow
(06:51):
guitar player, he's one of your heroes. So who else
has kind of shaped your career? Yeah? I love the
way John plays, and as a writer, I just think
he so talented. Um so, he's he has been a
huge influence on me. I mean when I started playing,
I learned playing bluegrass with my dad. I would go
to bluegrass camps with him when I was this tiny
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little blond girl, following him and all of his friends
around playing like fiddle tunes still three in the morning.
That's how I grew up. So I was big into
like ched Atkins when I was little, and then I
got into Jimi Hendrix and Steve gray Van and Eric
Clapton and Derek Trucks and like a lot of blues
guitar players honestly, and rock guitar players that um that
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I feel have been the main influence on my style
right now as I play like it's the difference between
when you hear Brett Paisley play and Keith Urban play.
They're both incredible guitar players and they they both are
so so great that they have such unique styles. Tell
me more about that, because to the outside of you,
(07:53):
of a non musician, to me, I'm just like, oh,
they're great. But for you, what do you see as
the difference between like those two But for instance, so um,
I've been fortunate enough to tour with both of them,
and I will say I look up to both of
them for um, completely different reasons. I toured with Brad
for about a year and a half. We played shows
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all over the world together, and Brad is so technically great,
like you will watch the show and he will not
make one mistake, and it's it's frustrating because it's like,
how are you so good? Like you never make a mistake.
He's so good, and he just makes it look effortless,
like he's just so technically fluid, up and down, up
(08:37):
and down the instrument, and at night after night after
night is consistent, and so I so appreciate that. And
then when you look at Keith, who is just as
great but in a completely different way, Like their styles
are just so different, which is cool when I think
you throw musicians in together who have completely different styles,
just like any collaboration, I think that's where you know
(08:59):
some really you unique moments can happen. But um, but
Keith is a lot more bluesier, i'd say, in his style,
and so he's very fluid and just in the way
he like dances when he's playing shoulders, he's feeling it
and you just feel something when you watch Keith play.
He's also technically really really great, but he just has
(09:21):
feel when he plays that it draws you in as
a listener. And I really think that Keith is is
a little bit more bluesier, which is why if I
were to describe my style, it would be more down
that blues vein, and I think that's why I was
drawn to so many blues guitar players growing up. Yeah,
that makes total sense. Well, you just mentioned two of
(09:42):
the big heavy hitters in country music and they're both men.
Which the topic of women in country music has been
one that's just been everywhere this past year specifically, so
it's a it's a well known fact that women in
country music are often excluded. And actually was reading an article, Um,
it's a recent article and pr that country music fans
are essentially programmed to like what they're fed, which is
(10:05):
mostly white males. So have you felt that exclusion specifically,
Like what does that look like? Yeah? I mean the
issue of women on country radio has been a thing
for years, ever since the tomato gate, dare I say it?
And I have always just a lot on the side
(10:28):
of the fence that music should be about music, and
it should be about what's great, not if a male
or female is singing, and it should just be if
a song is great, it should be played. But when
you really look into the science of radio, I've I've
read lots of studies on this too, and I think
I know what article you're referring to, but I think
it was I want to say it was like eight
(10:48):
years ago or so, and there was a study done
and one program director in the market UM did some
research and said, Okay, if I take out the underperforming
theme male songs on my playlist, UM my ratings will
go up. And he it didn't say if I take
(11:08):
out the underperforming male songs on my playlist, It just said,
if I take out the underperforming female songs in my playlist,
my ratings will go up and so, and I think
it's it's just a number of things and a number
of dominoes. But I think through the years, and I
don't think maliciously people were trying to do this or
from a chauvinistic standpoint, But I just think through the years,
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the listener has been subconsciously programmed to hear more male
voices on the radio, not saying that they don't like females,
because I will tell you when I go to my show,
my audience is seventy females. And when people say females
that want to hear females, I will be like, I
will fight you to the death, because just come to
(11:52):
any female artists show and you will see a lot
more females in the crowd than the mail. But I
do think that the audience has been subconsciously programmed to
hear more male voices on the radio, which has been
a challenge and a hurdle to overcome for everybody, be
it artists, labels, program directors, radio stations, you know, um
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programming their stations. And so I feel like it's something
that we need to consciously react to right now. And
you see it I mean, there are definitely more females
on the charts. They're definitely more females getting number ones
these days. So I feel like it's changing slowly, but
but I think that, um, it's something we need to
(12:36):
look at more, um more more on the head and
more proactively being like, all right, we're going to make
a change of this in a in a good positive
way because it was subconsciously and and really from an
unfair standpoint changed years ago without really any of us
(12:57):
noticing it, and so um, so yeah, I really feel
like things are moving in the right direction. I truly do.
I just think it's going to take more work on
everybody's standpoint to bouncing stut a little bit. Yeah, it's
so weird, you said, it just slowly changed from years ago.
And I grew up on women in country music like
Faith Hill, Tricia Yearwood, Like nineties was just like there
(13:20):
was women everywhere me to Martina mc yes, Terry Clark,
and yeah there were there was. Arguably it was definitely
even even maybe a little bit more you the other way. Yeah. Yeah,
So I do feel like industries are cyclical, and when
you look at pop music right now, it is inundated
by female, right, right, maybe it is. You're right, it's
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just seasons. I mean you, I hear you described constantly
within the industry. It's just someone who will grind like
you work hard. So do you feel like that's tied
to the being a woman in this business or do
you feel like that is just your nature naturally? All? Really,
I have always in pretty driven and I always am
(14:03):
like hard work doesn't phase me, Like you tell me
what needs to be done and bring it on, like
I'll do it. But um, but I do feel like
as a female artist, we need to work harder and
for less money. Just just to be real about it.
I mean, we work harder for less money. That's that's
the way it is right now. And hopefully that will
(14:24):
even out and that will even change one day. But
even as a female in the world, in any industry,
I think we need to work harder for less money
a lot of the time. Yeah, we kind of have to,
and it just is what it is. I'm not complaining
about it. I'm just kind of stating a fact. If anything,
I'm up for the challenge, like, bring it on, I'm ready. Yeah,
(14:46):
your current single is called I Don't Love You Can
I just say I love your vocals on this song
that is the most real and raw I feel like
I've ever heard you. Thanks Kelly. I I um start
recording this record with Dan Hoff, my producer, and um,
Dan has a way of capturing a vocal that is
(15:07):
just so raw and and honest. I mean, I've always
heard how amazing Dan is, and I've wanted to work
with him ever since I moved to Nashville ten years ago.
But I'm so glad that it took me till this
moment of my career to finally work with him, because
I finally know who I am, I know what kind
of record I want to make, and so I feel like,
you know, our our path collided at the right time.
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But he is truly one of the greats. When when
you know, everybody bows down to Dan Hoff. I I
always have, and I've always respected him, But finally being
able to work with him, I truly understand why. Like
he's just so gifted about working with an artist and
pulling those things out of an artist that we don't
even know are inside of us. And I think that
(15:53):
the evidence of a great producer, as you can do
that with anybody, whether it be Kane Brown, Brett Young,
like the Annabellum, I mean, even Keith Urban way back
in the date like Dan has worked with all of
those people and produces hits that you hear in the
radio across the board and could do something from the
left side of the spectrum to the right side of
the spectrum. So he Um, he was so talented and
(16:16):
and able to kind of pull out a vocal like that.
So thank you so much for loving it. Oh yeah,
I felt it. I mean a lot of people have
also speculated that the song is about your ex Bobby Bones,
which I'm not even gonna bother asking because I know
how untrue speculation can be. But you did date Bobby
for a few years and it was a very public relationship,
(16:38):
so I want to know what dating looks like for you. Now,
would you ever get involved in such a public relationship again? Hey, well, um,
we are both tied to the Bobby Room quite so.
I think Bobby is the best and um, you know
he We're still really close and still in great terms.
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But but yeah, I actually didn't write I Don't Love You.
It's the only song on my record I didn't write,
and um, a lot of this record I will say
I write about my life. I mean a songwriter, Um,
it's it's what we do. And so over the past
couple of years, I have written about that a lot. Um,
But I Don't Love You, I think was just a
song that I found that I I felt was so
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honest and was something that I could relate to, and
I felt that a lot of people could relate to,
whether it be from any relationship that they think about
in their life. It's still okay too, not necessarily love somebody,
but still miss those good memories. And so I just
felt so identified to and connected to the song. Um,
will I ever have another public relationship, I don't know.
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I mean, I'm at the point right now. I've been
single for two and a half years, Kelly, and I'm like,
I've been doing a lot of like self discovery, deep diving,
and I'm finally ready to find that relationship. And I
just I'm not putting any rules on it. You know,
whatever happens happens, Yeah, and we just want to find
(18:03):
the right person for the right reasons and the right
timing in in circumstance. So I'm really not putting rules
on what it has or has not have to be well.
I mean, if any men are listening right now, this
is the right time. I mean a Quarantine connection. Can
we talk about that? So hit Lindsay up, slide on
(18:25):
into those d M. I'm totally your matchmaker right now.
Um okay, Well, you have this new live streaming show
which I actually was a guest on the other day.
It's called Living Well with l um tell Us. A
little bit about this show. Thank you so much for
(18:46):
coming on. It was fun. Um. I just one didn't selfishly,
didn't want to go crazy playing any shows. And to
the first few weeks of Quarantine, I was just talking
to friends and it is so easy to get down
on yourself, listening to the news and reading articles, and
there's just a lot of heavy heaviness out in our
(19:08):
world right now, and I'm just like, I kind of
just want to go on Instagram and talk about good things,
bring on some of my friends and talk about what's
going good in their lives. And if I can make
a few people smile at the end of the thirty
forty five minutes that I'm live, then mission accomplished, right,
And so yeah, I called it Living Well, and it's
(19:28):
just it's just centered around positivity. So how often are
you doing these? I do them once a week, every
Tuesday night at seven pm Central, And for the time being,
I mean until I get back heavy touring again. I
think I'm just going to keep continuing. Why not. I
think it's fun too, because it's like everyone is going
through so much of the same stuff and so if
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we can all talk about it, it just makes it
for me. It makes me feel a lot better to
know I'm not isolated and all these feelings. You know, agreed,
and we're all humans. We're are where we come from,
what we do for a living, where we're quarantine, we're
You're right, We're all experiencing the same emotions and it
kind of makes you feel like you're not so alone.
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So what else do you have on the radar? I mean,
you said you've been working on a new album. Do
you have any updates on when that would be coming
out or has everything kind of been put on hold
for now? Well? I do have updates. Yeah, I'm so
excited about it. Um it will be out later this summer,
so I think August is well, we're shooting for UM.
(20:33):
I originally was kind of nervous to release an album
in the middle of quarantine or who knows what August
is going to look or feel like at this point.
But but I think that art can always be, always
be released, and always be listened to, and maybe now
more than ever, art is a good thing for people
to be able to to, you know, digest when maybe
(20:56):
they're quarantined in their houses. And so we're just going
for word plan as usual and going to try to
make the release as special as it can. I'm hoping
by August I could travel and do some pressed by it,
but at this point I don't even know if that's
an option. So we're taking it day by day and
slowly planning this thing out. Well. I keep saying anytime
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anyone on here has talked about releasing new music, I'm like,
bring it on, because we constantly have music going in
the house right now and I've run out of album
I'm like, you know, it's it's time I need some
new music. So we're with you. We're looking forward to
where can people keep up with you to get updates
on that kind of stuff. Um on all of the
(21:37):
socials is just at Lindsay L l I N D
S A y E L l UM I'm on Instagram
the most of these days, plus trying to learn TikTok
and making sense of any of that, and also making
a fool of myself making weird dances, so you can
see me making fool of myself on TikTok. To you
amazing you guys. Check out Living Well. I had so
(21:58):
much fun being in a guest and she's had some
really fun other guests on there every Tuesday at seven.
Check out Lindsday on Instagram as well, and we are
looking forward to new music from you, hopefully in August.
It sounds like absolutely, thank you so much for being here.
Awesome Kelly, thank you so much for having me, and
thank you guys for listening.
This is Kelly Henderson and you are listening to at
Home on the Velvet Edge podcast. This week, my guest
is country music singer and guitar playing Badass Lindsay L.
Lindsey and I talked about what it took for her
to become so good at playing guitar and why she
never actually feels like she will be done learning. We
also tackled the topic of inequalities for women in country
music and how it makes her grind that much harder. Plus,
(00:23):
she answered some dating questions and told us if she
has been hooking up in quarantine. Here's our conversation. Lindsay L,
what's up, Kelly. It is so good to talk to you. Oh,
you know, just live in the best part. You and
I were just talking before the podcasting. We're like, you said,
how are you? And I was like, oh, you know,
(00:43):
just another day of quarantine, Like what is this life?
I don't know if that's honestly what it feels like
like this is becoming the new normal. It's just the norm. Yeah,
So tell me what is your day to day look like,
because I know obviously it's very different from what it
was before quarantine, very different. I used to play. I
(01:05):
mean last year we played two shows. I was on
eighty days, so this has been a direct one eighty
from that life. Like I have never spent this much
time at home, like waking up in my own bed,
cooking in my kitchen every day, which is a blessing
like that. That part feels really, really nice. The other
(01:26):
part of it, it just it feels so different. I
feel like I should be packing a suitcase and going
on the road and I'm not. At the beginning of
this quarantine, I was finishing my album, which actually was
so nice because I was pretty busy. I was working
with my producer Dan Huff remotely, so I would record
vocals and guitars from my little studio at my house
(01:47):
and then send files to him. He'd work his magic,
he'd send them back and so for the first three
weeks I was finishing my album remotely. Slammed. I was
totally slammed. And now I'm like into the Once I
turned all the files from my album in, I was like, Okay,
now what do what do normal people do? I don't
(02:10):
have a boyfriend. I live alone, and so I've been
quarantined in the house by myself for over fifty days now.
Oh my god, are you talking to random things in
your house as if they're your friends. I have been
like talking aloud. I put string lights up in my
living room to make it feel like a little bit
more cheery. Right, it's cozier. I like it. I know,
(02:32):
I know, I don't know. At this point, it's like
literally one day at a time. Absolutely you said you could.
I mean you cook. I know you cook a lot
because I see it on your Instagram. What have you
been cooking? So I've been eating pretty well vegan for
the past year. I'm not like super religious about it,
but I try to stay to it. So I've been
cooking a lot of like veggie burgers. I make this
(02:55):
really amazing like cauliflower cross pizza. I just like cooks
floor with different things. You know. That's been the main
thing for me is I have to really branch out,
Like I've gotten a couple of new cookbooks because I
just get so monotinous, and then my brain is like
I don't know what else to cook because we've been
cooking more meals than the I personally have ever cooked. Yeah,
(03:16):
than ever, I know, And in a way it's kind
of exciting because you get to be a little bit
more adventurous. But then there are days I just want quarantine,
so up and down. Like some days I wake up
and I feel great and I opened the curtains and
let light in. I'm like, okay, bring on this day.
And other days like the exact opposite dark. I don't
(03:36):
want to cook anything. I'm eating ice cream out of
my freezer. I feel like that's how everyone is. It's
just and you kind of got to ride ride the
waves of the emotions because it's all over the place.
It is all over the place, so so true. So
have you been playing a lot of guitar, because you
are definitely known for your guitar playing skills. I haven't.
(03:58):
I am you know, to be getting of this quarantine. Also,
things are pretty busy because our our friends at radio,
we're all asking for like content, and you know, every everybody.
It felt like everybody all of a sudden discovered the
Internet and they were like, let's do lives and let's
do this and do you have videos and can you
send covers? And so I haven't playing a lot of guitar,
(04:20):
but it's just been it's felt like work a little bit,
and it hasn't been really practicing and fun. And now
that we're like week nine or ten or whatever, um
we are in this quarantine, I'm like just scratching the
service to be like, Okay, maybe I should practice again,
actually work on my skills as a guitar player or
(04:42):
you know, playing piano or whatever. It is like starting
to dig a little bit deeper, which is I think
where the true magic lives. What does that look like
to get so good at something? Because, like I said,
you're known for being really great at guitar. When did
you start playing? So I started playing guitar when i' eight.
Pianos actually my first instrument when I was six, But
(05:03):
I've I picked up a guitar and I just didn't
want to put it down. I was so curious about
everything with it. And I've I've never really gotten to
a point where I thought I was good. And I
hope I really never get to a point where I
think I'm good. I mean, because I always just watch
people who could play circles around me and I'm like, okay,
(05:24):
well I need to learn how to do that, and
I need to learn how to be that fluid and
and you know, I read an article once it said
Bob King used to take a guitar lesson every day,
and Slain Dion still takes voice lessons all the time.
If they can still learn stuff, then I have a
long way to go. And so I never really look
at it as, oh, I'm a good guitar player. I like,
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I love playing guitar, and I do it a lot.
But I have I have so much further to go,
you know, I have so much more I want to learn.
And the cool thing about living in Nashville is you
get to surround yourself with musician and who are out
of this world, like they're everywhere, They're everywhere, and they're
so great at what they do. You go down to
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Broadway and you see these guys playing for mer tips
for a few hours, and they will amaze you. They'll
leave you speechless. I mean, they've been on so many
countless records, like hit records from Garth Brooks too, you know,
anybody on the radio today, and and yet they're playing
on Broadway for tips. I mean right now physically, but
(06:29):
but when things open back up again. And so Nashville
is a very humbling town to live in because you
can you can constantly be challenging yourself, I guess, and
just be like, Okay, yeah, I'm I know my way
around the guitar, but I could I could also be
so much better. Well, you actually covered an entire John
Mayor album, which as sam since he's also a fellow
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guitar player, he's one of your heroes. So who else
has kind of shaped your career? Yeah? I love the
way John plays, and as a writer, I just think
he so talented. Um so, he's he has been a
huge influence on me. I mean when I started playing,
I learned playing bluegrass with my dad. I would go
to bluegrass camps with him when I was this tiny
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little blond girl, following him and all of his friends
around playing like fiddle tunes still three in the morning.
That's how I grew up. So I was big into
like ched Atkins when I was little, and then I
got into Jimi Hendrix and Steve gray Van and Eric
Clapton and Derek Trucks and like a lot of blues
guitar players honestly, and rock guitar players that um that
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I feel have been the main influence on my style
right now as I play like it's the difference between
when you hear Brett Paisley play and Keith Urban play.
They're both incredible guitar players and they they both are
so so great that they have such unique styles. Tell
me more about that, because to the outside of you,
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of a non musician, to me, I'm just like, oh,
they're great. But for you, what do you see as
the difference between like those two But for instance, so um,
I've been fortunate enough to tour with both of them,
and I will say I look up to both of
them for um, completely different reasons. I toured with Brad
for about a year and a half. We played shows
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all over the world together, and Brad is so technically great,
like you will watch the show and he will not
make one mistake, and it's it's frustrating because it's like,
how are you so good? Like you never make a mistake.
He's so good, and he just makes it look effortless,
like he's just so technically fluid, up and down, up
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and down the instrument, and at night after night after
night is consistent, and so I so appreciate that. And
then when you look at Keith, who is just as
great but in a completely different way, Like their styles
are just so different, which is cool when I think
you throw musicians in together who have completely different styles,
just like any collaboration, I think that's where you know
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some really you unique moments can happen. But um, but
Keith is a lot more bluesier, i'd say, in his style,
and so he's very fluid and just in the way
he like dances when he's playing shoulders, he's feeling it
and you just feel something when you watch Keith play.
He's also technically really really great, but he just has
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feel when he plays that it draws you in as
a listener. And I really think that Keith is is
a little bit more bluesier, which is why if I
were to describe my style, it would be more down
that blues vein, and I think that's why I was
drawn to so many blues guitar players growing up. Yeah,
that makes total sense. Well, you just mentioned two of
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the big heavy hitters in country music and they're both men.
Which the topic of women in country music has been
one that's just been everywhere this past year specifically, so
it's a it's a well known fact that women in
country music are often excluded. And actually was reading an article, Um,
it's a recent article and pr that country music fans
are essentially programmed to like what they're fed, which is
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mostly white males. So have you felt that exclusion specifically,
Like what does that look like? Yeah? I mean the
issue of women on country radio has been a thing
for years, ever since the tomato gate, dare I say it?
And I have always just a lot on the side
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of the fence that music should be about music, and
it should be about what's great, not if a male
or female is singing, and it should just be if
a song is great, it should be played. But when
you really look into the science of radio, I've I've
read lots of studies on this too, and I think
I know what article you're referring to, but I think
it was I want to say it was like eight
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years ago or so, and there was a study done
and one program director in the market UM did some
research and said, Okay, if I take out the underperforming
theme male songs on my playlist, UM my ratings will
go up. And he it didn't say if I take
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out the underperforming male songs on my playlist, It just said,
if I take out the underperforming female songs in my playlist,
my ratings will go up and so, and I think
it's it's just a number of things and a number
of dominoes. But I think through the years, and I
don't think maliciously people were trying to do this or
from a chauvinistic standpoint, But I just think through the years,
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the listener has been subconsciously programmed to hear more male
voices on the radio, not saying that they don't like females,
because I will tell you when I go to my show,
my audience is seventy females. And when people say females
that want to hear females, I will be like, I
will fight you to the death, because just come to
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any female artists show and you will see a lot
more females in the crowd than the mail. But I
do think that the audience has been subconsciously programmed to
hear more male voices on the radio, which has been
a challenge and a hurdle to overcome for everybody, be
it artists, labels, program directors, radio stations, you know, um
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programming their stations. And so I feel like it's something
that we need to consciously react to right now. And
you see it I mean, there are definitely more females
on the charts. They're definitely more females getting number ones
these days. So I feel like it's changing slowly, but
but I think that, um, it's something we need to
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look at more, um more more on the head and
more proactively being like, all right, we're going to make
a change of this in a in a good positive
way because it was subconsciously and and really from an
unfair standpoint changed years ago without really any of us
(12:57):
noticing it, and so um, so yeah, I really feel
like things are moving in the right direction. I truly do.
I just think it's going to take more work on
everybody's standpoint to bouncing stut a little bit. Yeah, it's
so weird, you said, it just slowly changed from years ago.
And I grew up on women in country music like
Faith Hill, Tricia Yearwood, Like nineties was just like there
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was women everywhere me to Martina mc yes, Terry Clark,
and yeah there were there was. Arguably it was definitely
even even maybe a little bit more you the other way. Yeah. Yeah,
So I do feel like industries are cyclical, and when
you look at pop music right now, it is inundated
by female, right, right, maybe it is. You're right, it's
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just seasons. I mean you, I hear you described constantly
within the industry. It's just someone who will grind like
you work hard. So do you feel like that's tied
to the being a woman in this business or do
you feel like that is just your nature naturally? All? Really,
I have always in pretty driven and I always am
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like hard work doesn't phase me, Like you tell me
what needs to be done and bring it on, like
I'll do it. But um, but I do feel like
as a female artist, we need to work harder and
for less money. Just just to be real about it.
I mean, we work harder for less money. That's that's
the way it is right now. And hopefully that will
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even out and that will even change one day. But
even as a female in the world, in any industry,
I think we need to work harder for less money
a lot of the time. Yeah, we kind of have to,
and it just is what it is. I'm not complaining
about it. I'm just kind of stating a fact. If anything,
I'm up for the challenge, like, bring it on, I'm ready. Yeah,
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your current single is called I Don't Love You Can
I just say I love your vocals on this song
that is the most real and raw I feel like
I've ever heard you. Thanks Kelly. I I um start
recording this record with Dan Hoff, my producer, and um,
Dan has a way of capturing a vocal that is
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just so raw and and honest. I mean, I've always
heard how amazing Dan is, and I've wanted to work
with him ever since I moved to Nashville ten years ago.
But I'm so glad that it took me till this
moment of my career to finally work with him, because
I finally know who I am, I know what kind
of record I want to make, and so I feel like,
you know, our our path collided at the right time.
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But he is truly one of the greats. When when
you know, everybody bows down to Dan Hoff. I I
always have, and I've always respected him, But finally being
able to work with him, I truly understand why. Like
he's just so gifted about working with an artist and
pulling those things out of an artist that we don't
even know are inside of us. And I think that
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the evidence of a great producer, as you can do
that with anybody, whether it be Kane Brown, Brett Young,
like the Annabellum, I mean, even Keith Urban way back
in the date like Dan has worked with all of
those people and produces hits that you hear in the
radio across the board and could do something from the
left side of the spectrum to the right side of
the spectrum. So he Um, he was so talented and
(16:16):
and able to kind of pull out a vocal like that.
So thank you so much for loving it. Oh yeah,
I felt it. I mean a lot of people have
also speculated that the song is about your ex Bobby Bones,
which I'm not even gonna bother asking because I know
how untrue speculation can be. But you did date Bobby
for a few years and it was a very public relationship,
(16:38):
so I want to know what dating looks like for you. Now,
would you ever get involved in such a public relationship again? Hey, well, um,
we are both tied to the Bobby Room quite so.
I think Bobby is the best and um, you know
he We're still really close and still in great terms.
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But but yeah, I actually didn't write I Don't Love You.
It's the only song on my record I didn't write,
and um, a lot of this record I will say
I write about my life. I mean a songwriter, Um,
it's it's what we do. And so over the past
couple of years, I have written about that a lot. Um,
But I Don't Love You, I think was just a
song that I found that I I felt was so
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honest and was something that I could relate to, and
I felt that a lot of people could relate to,
whether it be from any relationship that they think about
in their life. It's still okay too, not necessarily love somebody,
but still miss those good memories. And so I just
felt so identified to and connected to the song. Um,
will I ever have another public relationship, I don't know.
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I mean, I'm at the point right now. I've been
single for two and a half years, Kelly, and I'm like,
I've been doing a lot of like self discovery, deep diving,
and I'm finally ready to find that relationship. And I
just I'm not putting any rules on it. You know,
whatever happens happens, Yeah, and we just want to find
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the right person for the right reasons and the right
timing in in circumstance. So I'm really not putting rules
on what it has or has not have to be well.
I mean, if any men are listening right now, this
is the right time. I mean a Quarantine connection. Can
we talk about that? So hit Lindsay up, slide on
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into those d M. I'm totally your matchmaker right now.
Um okay, Well, you have this new live streaming show
which I actually was a guest on the other day.
It's called Living Well with l um tell Us. A
little bit about this show. Thank you so much for
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coming on. It was fun. Um. I just one didn't selfishly,
didn't want to go crazy playing any shows. And to
the first few weeks of Quarantine, I was just talking
to friends and it is so easy to get down
on yourself, listening to the news and reading articles, and
there's just a lot of heavy heaviness out in our
(19:08):
world right now, and I'm just like, I kind of
just want to go on Instagram and talk about good things,
bring on some of my friends and talk about what's
going good in their lives. And if I can make
a few people smile at the end of the thirty
forty five minutes that I'm live, then mission accomplished, right,
And so yeah, I called it Living Well, and it's
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just it's just centered around positivity. So how often are
you doing these? I do them once a week, every
Tuesday night at seven pm Central, And for the time being,
I mean until I get back heavy touring again. I
think I'm just going to keep continuing. Why not. I
think it's fun too, because it's like everyone is going
through so much of the same stuff and so if
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we can all talk about it, it just makes it
for me. It makes me feel a lot better to
know I'm not isolated and all these feelings. You know, agreed,
and we're all humans. We're are where we come from,
what we do for a living, where we're quarantine, we're
You're right, We're all experiencing the same emotions and it
kind of makes you feel like you're not so alone.
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So what else do you have on the radar? I mean,
you said you've been working on a new album. Do
you have any updates on when that would be coming
out or has everything kind of been put on hold
for now? Well? I do have updates. Yeah, I'm so
excited about it. Um it will be out later this summer,
so I think August is well, we're shooting for UM.
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I originally was kind of nervous to release an album
in the middle of quarantine or who knows what August
is going to look or feel like at this point.
But but I think that art can always be, always
be released, and always be listened to, and maybe now
more than ever, art is a good thing for people
to be able to to, you know, digest when maybe
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they're quarantined in their houses. And so we're just going
for word plan as usual and going to try to
make the release as special as it can. I'm hoping
by August I could travel and do some pressed by it,
but at this point I don't even know if that's
an option. So we're taking it day by day and
slowly planning this thing out. Well. I keep saying anytime
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anyone on here has talked about releasing new music, I'm like,
bring it on, because we constantly have music going in
the house right now and I've run out of album
I'm like, you know, it's it's time I need some
new music. So we're with you. We're looking forward to
where can people keep up with you to get updates
on that kind of stuff. Um on all of the
(21:37):
socials is just at Lindsay L l I N D
S A y E L l UM I'm on Instagram
the most of these days, plus trying to learn TikTok
and making sense of any of that, and also making
a fool of myself making weird dances, so you can
see me making fool of myself on TikTok. To you
amazing you guys. Check out Living Well. I had so
(21:58):
much fun being in a guest and she's had some
really fun other guests on there every Tuesday at seven.
Check out Lindsday on Instagram as well, and we are
looking forward to new music from you, hopefully in August.
It sounds like absolutely, thank you so much for being here.
Awesome Kelly, thank you so much for having me, and
thank you guys for listening.
Host
Kelly Henderson
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