March 21, 2025 • 27 mins
These days, it feels like everything—especially politics—is designed to divide us. The outrage, the blame game, the constant fighting…it’s like throwing salt on a wound, making things worse instead of better. After Kelly's conversation with author, psychologist and executive coach, Dr. Harry Cohen, this week, Kelly and Chip ask: What if we approached things differently? If we’re all looking at the world through different lenses, how do we hold space for those differences without working against each other—and against ourselves? They explore how negativity and conflict are being used to manipulate us, why kindness and unity are often dismissed as weak or boring, and the small but powerful shifts we can make to actually create change.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hello are you Are you British?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
So I think it was like a combination of Australian
and British.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Yeah, that's just Madonna.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I do wish I was British sometimes I just love
a British accent.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Why do they sound smarter?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Well, just maybe a little more refined. Yeah, I do
think I was British in a past life because I
have obsessions with all things British culture, and so, you know,
sometimes it just comes out, you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Know, I mean, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Sometimes it's Cajun sounding and sometimes it's British. I mean whenever. Well,
happy Friday you guys. I talked to Chip.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I was.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I gave you a copy of this book actually by
Harry Cohen, and it was Be the Sun Not the
sal And I talked to doctor Harry Cohen on Wednesday's podcast.
I did tell you I was reading this book thinking
to myself, this is for first of all, this is
just Chip, and this is just like my boyfriend, because
both of you guys are sevens on the Enneagram, and
(01:05):
you bring such a positive energy to everything you do,
and that's kind of what this book is about. It's
a daily kind of reader reminder of the small things
you can do in your day, in your life, in
your relationships that will better your life. And also everyone
else is around you. But you texted me and you go,
I feel seen.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I feel seen. I'd never heard of the word heliotropic before.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
We'll tell the listeners what that means.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
The heliotropic effect is the tendency for all living systems
to be drawn to energy that sustains its life. Like gravity,
the heliotropic effect is a powerful, invisible force that we
can harness if we understand it. So it's basically like
radiating light, you know, yeah, and then being.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Positivity gravitating towards you because you have a light about
you or the energy around you is positive, and it
does that feel heavy or bring you down. And you
and I were talking about this after and we're like,
this is literally what we feel on a day today.
And in our society, it's really hard to not escape
(02:13):
the salt. Like if we're saying, be the sun, not
the salt. Right now, there feels like there's a lot
of salt everywhere social media politics, and it's just so
interesting because it's almost like salt cells and sun doesn't.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But I'm guilty of it. That's it.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, I'm look, I know that when I go to
look at the news, I click on all the horrible headlines. Yeah,
like I'm like bus crash, fifty eight people dead.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I need to know about that.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And it's just like when I think back, I mean
a I try not to read the news anymore because
I just can't stomach it. But I think back to it,
I'm like, what was that doing to me internally, you know, emotionally,
to just want to read the bad news?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, I think it keeps us. If we're talking in
terms of like a psychology thinking mindset, I would say
it probably keeps us in fight or flight. So once
your nervous system gets activated, you almost are drawn to
these things that continue that pattern because it feels familiar.
So we're doing these things subconsciously, but it doesn't really
make us feel good. I think everyone's probably been in
(03:20):
some state of fight or flight since the pandemic, whether
you want to believe it or accept that or not,
we have all gone through this collective trauma. There's so
much fighting happening everywhere, and like you just mentioned, like
we didn't used to see that kind of stuff all
the time, we weren't reading about every single thing that
happened in the world all the time.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, I mean, news is now a twenty four hour
cycle at us. At least when we were growing up,
it wasn't like the news came on at.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Six o'clock and the ten o'clock.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
You read the paper in the morning and it came
on at five six and then again right before bed,
so you had.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Some control about what you were receiving and taking in,
like you said. And now it's just our brains are
easily accessible to these news outlets or trolls online or
whatever it is all the time because of the social
media world. And it's like also it's just emails, Like
I'm subscribed to certain emails from different newspapers and things
(04:16):
like that, so you're constantly getting it in there too.
When I really think about it, it just feels like
it's everywhere you turn.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, I mean, I wrote I have a subscription to
Rolling Stone because I'm a music junkie, and I don't
think like maybe ten percent of their headlines that I
get emailed are music centric.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That's so wild.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's all politics now.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, politics has become entertainment, you know, And I think
that's why it is dangerous and bad for us.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Because being a villain in politics.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Now is like being a villain in a Hollywood film,
and everyone wants to write about it, and we've all
grown up loving those types of movies.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But like, where the fucking heroes today we like happen?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Right, That's what maybe we're arguing about, is who can
be the hero? But the truth is it feels like
we're watching a bad reality TV show to me, and
it's actually real life though, Like that's what people don't
understand about reality TV as we talk about this a lot,
like it's not necessarily exactly realistic if you will, I mean,
it's parts part of it is realistic, but then it's
(05:23):
fabricated for TV or amplified for TV or done a
certain way for TV, and then that's what's happening in
our political world, it feels like, except that it's the
outcomes are actually real life, Like it's impacting real life
things that are big and dangerous and scary. So it
is a big deal. It's not just shouldn't just be
(05:45):
tabloid fodder or something to get your popcorn out for
and just watch villains or fake heroes or whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know, it's just become a dangerous game that is
better ignored maybe, but.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
It's hard because you feel like you need to be
in It's a fine line. There's two sides of this coin.
So I mean, we had talked about it on a
political scale at first, and I'll talk about it in
a second why that came up for us. But it's
hard because I don't really like to talk about politics
on this podcast. I don't like to feel like I'm
taking one side and we can't have listeners who voted
(06:21):
the other way or anything like that. Like I actually
think that defeats the whole purpose of living in a
democracy that everyone can have their own opinion. I'm also
not a political analyst or anything like that, now, are you.
It's completely opinion based and it just feels like I
don't want to add to the noise of that, and
(06:43):
it's hard to ignore because it's everywhere. So without taking sides,
I do try to like mention the things that are
impacting us, but not necessarily go so hard in the paint.
I think we've just it's a hard like we've gone
back and forth on this on how to talk about
it and whatever. But you had sent me a T
shirt the other day because we were talking about I
actually don't even remember why. What was the topic that
(07:06):
you sent that for.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I can't even remember.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
You were mad about something our current president did.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yes, well, I mean it started with the tesla ad
that he Oh that's what.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It was, That's what it was. Sorry, yeah, yeah, again,
whatever you believe politically, like that's on you and this
is on us and whatever, Like I don't. I think
we've got to get over not being able to have
different opinions from some people that we like. Everyone has
different value systems, like that's what I truly believe, and
the things that mattered to one person are not necessarily
going to be the things that top are the top
(07:38):
matters to others. So we have to respect each other,
I think. But the T shirt you said like it
was supporting a cause that you believed in. But the
T shirt to me was very negative, like it said
I didn't vote for him, and I just I've seen
this so much, and trust me, I'm not saying this
from a place of like I haven't done it too.
I think we've done it. What I'm seeing is like,
(08:00):
like we're not getting anywhere, because all we're doing is
trying to blame each side, and the truth is both
sides are pretty fucked up, like the extreme things are
not working. So we got to figure out a way
to like come together. And I think a lot of
people actually have beliefs somewhere in the middle, but we
just get so triggered by stuff I am included in
(08:22):
that that we want to just send hate back and
it's not working. Like I think we need to fight
for the causes we believe in, but I think we
got to find another way to do it. And so
for me, the T shirt saying I didn't vote for
him because I've we've had that on the other side
as well, like sent back to us. I'm like, what
is that accomplishing? So you're right there wrong, Like what
(08:44):
does that actually get done? And then you and I
talked about it and you're like, yeah, I actually agree, like, yeah,
that's not the kind of energy that we want to
bring to it to actually try to make changes. I'm
not saying I have the solution. I just don't think
that that's it.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Does that make sense totally? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And it's you know, I think it's a really easy
trap to fall into to like embrace to embrace the
snark and miss the big picture.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It does are security, so we're like or we don't
feel in control, so we want to like blame somebody.
That's a normal human thing.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, what were you about to say?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
No, I'm saying like that shirt in particular, like negativity
can be wrapped up in the humor of it, you know,
the snarkiness of the shirt, and it blinds you from
the bigger picture of it being a blame game versus
it being a funny, snarky thing, because I do see
the humor in it too, or the protective qualities of
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it just to be like I didn't do it, you know,
in the same way that someone would wear something positive
like a MAGA hat because they're proud of it. But
there's a maga, maga, I don't know, maga, I don't know,
maga whatever, but the MGA hat, like they wear it
because they're supportive of it. But there's also the underlying
tone of I'm better than you, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
There is it is mentally be great if we do
it this way.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Right right, And there is the element, yeah, the element
of just like where right you're wrong in the same
way it's it's not meant to be snarky, like it's
not funny, right, but it sends the same message.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, the truth is.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Think about if you get in a fight with someone
and you go to hard to bat at your side,
like most fights, we know this, there's two sides to
every story. The third one is typically the truth, right,
Like every fight probably has a little dose of truth
on each side, or someone's coming from a certain perspective
that makes sense for them and their journey or whatever
(10:46):
you want to say. So if you realize after a
fight that whatever you were saying, you're like, eh, yeah,
maybe they were right, Like I could see what they're
saying now, and you go to them and literally all
they say to you is I told you so or something. Yeah,
what does that do. There's no repair between y'all, Like, no,
(11:07):
not ever gonna be good. It just makes you probably
more mad and it doesn't accomplish anything. And so that's
kind of the same energy to me that is being
put out with so much of the politics as like, well,
I told you so, But it's happening on both sides,
and both sides truly believe their side is right. We
have to figure out a way I think to hear
(11:28):
the other side agree to disagree on some things, probably
a lot of things, but how do we work together
for the common goal and be more of the sun
with each other than just throwing more salts on the wounds,
Like it's not helping.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, it's truly causing a decay of society.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Well, it's just the pendulum keeps going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You Yeah, and that's never You're never gonna You're never
gonna meet in the middle that way. No.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
The point being to me is I'm seeing now a
lot of times now that the political environment has shifted
to the more conservative side. A lot of the people
that I follow are saying we'll see I told you
or whatever, and it's just like that T shirt. It's like,
it's just like, I don't think that that helps as
a person who is seeing things happen right now that
(12:27):
I don't think I voted for. If I just go, well,
I didn't vote for that. What am I helping other
than my ego? Do you know what I'm saying? Like that,
it's just a very ego base to me, and it's
very much like we're all doing the best we can
exactly like it's I told you so, it's whatever, and again,
(12:48):
voice your concerns if that's what it is. But can
we all try to change the way we're doing it.
That's my biggest thing. It's like, let's be able to
have a fucking adult conversation about differing a penis and
differing beliefs, because then we might actually get something done.
But the longer that we sit on these tangents of well,
I didn't do that, or that was all you, or
(13:10):
you voted for that not me, or you said to
do this and not me, and it's.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Like, Okay, it accomplishes nothing. It's not accomplishes nothing.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, And I think so a lot of that to
get off the political stuff and go back to social
media is like, we're seeing a lot of that on
social media. And so a research is social media negativity
rewarded over positivity? And the answer, what do you think
it is?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Hands down, it is rewarded.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, a million percent rewarded.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Studies have shown that negative posts often garner more engagement
than positive ones. For instance, research indicates that negative news
content increases physiological activation and is more likely to be remembered,
leading to higher share rates. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Do you think it's like a do the mean thing
where it affects our brains in a way that like
calls this fight or flight because I can imagine like
some of the shares are like I'm forty, like if
I disagree with it, I'm pissed off.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
So I'm fording because I get them all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
And right after the inauguration when I was unhappy, I
was having friends forward me a bunch of stuff that
like were negative, and I had to ask them like, hey,
this name is in my inbox enough and on my
screens enough.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't need my friends fording it.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
It's not helping you, it's not helping me get it down.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So there is like a I think that the salty
things get that sort of interaction for two reasons, Whereas
it's so much easier to gloss over something positive.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You're just like, oh, yeah, it's cute, Oh that's cute.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I can only speak for myself, but what I did realize,
like my boyfriend, like I said, has a very similar
mentality to you, and he with this political environment is
like I think it's so interesting because both sides when
either if you had if Biden was your president or
if Trump is your president, that you voted for. One
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side of that argument was always freaking the fuck out
that the world was over while the opposite person was
in office. If I'm not saying that right, Like, if
you're a Democrat right now, you're struggling with the Trump
being in office when you if you're super hard conservative,
you're probably struggling with Biden. And so his point to
me is always like, focus on yourself better the world.
(15:36):
Do like do your part of the thing, you know,
like bring sun not salt in your everyday interactions. Show
up and do the best you can. And I will
have days where I'm like, that's not gonna say right right,
so emotional that like sometimes the emotions overwhelm me. And
the more I've thought about it though, and I'm reading
(15:57):
this book kind of helped too. I just am like
part of that is right, because what happens for me
if I start reading about negative political news and I
get hooked on it. It's almost like I don't know
if it's like a control thing, but it's like the
more that I think my brain thinks, the more that
I read, the more in control that I'll be because
(16:17):
I'll be in the know of when the world's gonna end, right,
And it's like, yeah, that's not really how this works.
It's not how the universe works. But I do think
there's some sort of sense of safety and security. It's false,
but a false sense of security and safety that I'm
trying to garner by having as much information as I can.
(16:39):
And now that we're saying what we're saying, though, it's
like and also that gives the media and trolls online
and all of these other avenues or outlets control over
my fucking brain and my life.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, I mean, and that's what they want. I mean,
they are designed to hook you. They are designed to
be a deck if they are designed to keep you engaged,
because the more you're on it, the more they're selling ads,
the more you're clicking on things to buy, the more
the more the more.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
What's funny is, while you were talking, like, all I
could think of is the old adage ignorance is.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Bliss, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's like, at what point, like when we were running
around as kids and all we knew was like fun.
We didn't have information, we had friends, we had adventures,
we had we were making shit up in our heads
and we were like happy and the world like we
weren't even aware of what was going on in Washington, DC.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And I think if.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
We could all sort of approach try to approach life
a little bit more like find that kid in us
again that would run up to a stranger and hand
them a flower that they just picked, or tell someone
that they, you know, like their shirt, or just be
more sun in the world. Really, that is the weapon
that changes all of this bullshit. That's the only way forward.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
But it's so funny though, because it's like what I
said to you before the podcast, I feel sometimes like
the more healthy I and my life have gotten, that
I seem more boring. Like it's almost like if you
are not operating from a high drama chaos place. I mean,
(18:28):
there's no entertainment value in that, right, And so it's
almost like really having to rewire our entire culture to
understand that positivity, calm lives, like consistency, the things like
the things that I changed when I changed how I dated,
like the things I was looking for in a relationship
are almost on a bigger scale what we need to
(18:50):
change or what might be beneficial for us to change,
But it's the same old thing of like you know,
even sex cells or the sense sationalized things or you
and I used to talk about like sometimes we would
do more shock factor kind of things, like oh, if
we tell people this, then that's enticing, and the truth is,
is it fucking works?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
And like, well, we're in an attention economy, so it's
like we were doing that shit for attention, and now
this feels more intentional instead of attentional. It's we're like,
we're doing this from I don't even know if attentional
is a word, but if it isn't, trademarket, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
This is intentional.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
And it's like, maybe we don't reach as many people
by doing it because we're not going to have a
moment that goes viral or whatever. But my hope is
that by us being more vulnerable and kind and positive,
that the people that we are reaching and the people
that are listening were bringing light into their day. And
I would encourage anybody who is listening that feels like
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they know people that need more positivity to share this
with somebody like, because that's how that grows. And I'm
not saying that even just for like listenership and numbers
or whatever. I'm saying it because it's like, there's only
so many people a day that I can touch, you know,
personally and shine a little light on. And I agree
(20:14):
with you, like I feel like my life has gotten
really fucking boring lately, and.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I love it saying I don't.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Want the attention. I craved so much attention. You know,
I wanted to be popular, I wanted to be liked
by everybody. I wanted all of the things that really
don't matter. Like now, what I want is to like
myself truly deeply and know myself. And I mean I've
done all that stuff. At the end of the day,
(20:41):
I often felt really fucking empty.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I worked so hard to have nearly six thousand friends
on Facebook just to have someone steal it, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
What I mean, Like, what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
It meant nothing? It meant nothing, and you know how
happy I am without it now?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, I don't know. That other thing is is like
when the focus is that I think both of us
have experienced, even like this thing you just said about Facebook,
When you experience something like that, then you realize, oh
my god, I worked so hard to get to this place,
and then it's proof it's gone, you know, overnight, and
I'm still here and my life is still the same,
(21:19):
And what did it actually mean then? So, when you're
chasing attention or validation or all the external things as
the number one priority, it can be taken away at
any moment, and you're insatiable, you'll never have enough. I
think both of us have reached a different place now
where we're like, wait, I just want to have quality
conversations like this, for instance, if people shared, I would
(21:42):
just hope that people just start talking in the same
way that you and I are, just asking the questions,
Like this isn't to sit on some soapbox and be like,
let's be kind to everybody because we're so kind and
we're perfect, like neither one of us are, and we're
not trying to say that by any means. I'm just like,
what we're doing in this world, it doesn't feel like
it's working to me. That's all that I notice. So
(22:03):
there has to be another way. And if we haven't
done that way before, let's figure it out together, Like,
let's start asking the questions. Let's start talking about I
want to fucking ran out. I know, let's talk about
what's not working or what we feel like when we're
experiencing all these things online, in politics, whatever it is.
(22:26):
And I bet you most people would say I feel heavy,
I don't feel good, and isn't the goal to feel good?
Like why are we not doing the things that make
us happy and that make us feel good and then
spreading that around? And I think that's what you and
I just started to realize, like, Okay, maybe we want
to be more of the sun and not the salt.
Like I don't want to be talking about gossip and
(22:48):
slander and all that stuff anymore. It doesn't feel good
to me. That's why I don't want to do it.
Not because I think I'm better than anybody else. I
just literally it makes me feel bad, Like I don't
want to do it. I don't want to do things
that make me feel bad.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I don't feel like I'm better than anybody else. I
just want to be the best me.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah. I talked about being on that journey lately.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Like a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, I am kumbay eyeing myself, and I do think
it was because I was I was looking for the
external validation and all the while I didn't like myself,
and that was a really hard pill to swallow, to
recognize that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And now I do like myself.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
You know, I'm and every day I'm reading something to
try and stay in touch with myself. I've started journaling,
I'm doing all the things, and I you know, it's
funny too, because I've had to have some really tough
conversations with some friends lately that I don't know that
I would have had the courage to do in the past.
And it's crazy how easy it is, even when it's
(23:50):
a hard conversation, how easy it is when like you
know that it's coming from a place of pure love
and there is no pill on earth that can replace
that feeling. And it's also amazing when it comes back
to you and they're like, I'm so grateful that you
were honest with me about that.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yes, yeah, what I hear you saying is that your
life is just getting deeper and so it's getting richer.
And I think that's a really great overall thing to
think about, too, is just instead of the fighting and
being so on the surface of the things, why are
we not let's start looking maybe at the root of
some like we talk about root causes with health, but
there's also root causes with mental health and less psychological
(24:33):
issues and happiness and all of the driving forces of
everything that we do why we do what we do.
So if you disagree with somebody, maybe look at the
root of their story and where they're coming from, and
also where you're coming from, and stop arguing about the
simple point and try to have a conversation about the
deeper thing. It's just really interesting when you start doing that,
(24:55):
isn't it Like your relationships get better, you feel better,
life gets better, better, all of it. It's just deeper, richer, warmer, happier.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, it's sun.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
It's that's everyone's got a different point of view and
we're all built on different histories and you have to
take that into consideration when you're talking to somebody, or
you've got.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
To meet them where they are.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, and that's something new that I learned, and I'm
kind of glad as like has let me sort of
release a lot of anger.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, And I guess the last thing I'll end on
because I know we got to go, but I just
was thinking about it when you told you were saying
the thing to me about social media and just how
they that's what they want. We keep saying, they like
whatever is running social media, all, yeah, just be conscious.
Like That's what I'm starting to realize too, is I'm
(25:47):
so unconsciously scrolling and taking in information, and I'm trying
to be more in control of what I'm subconsciously taking in,
So whether that's meditation or soundbaths or even sitting in
the bathtub in silence, like trying to make sure that
I'm doing those things for my nervous system and my
brain to reset and not just letting someone else control
me all the time. Like when you change the narrative
(26:09):
in your brain to that that I'm giving my power
away through these avenues, It's really interesting what it makes
you want to do. So, whether you agree with what
we said or not, maybe just take it into your
life as some sort of new outlook of I'm going
to be more conscious of what I'm taking in and
(26:29):
what I'm digesting, what I'm giving energy to and see
if that changes your outlook as well, because I'd be
really curious if we all like limited what we're ingesting
all the time, if our output would be different too.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
My hot take is that like by twenty thirty we're
not going to have social media. I just think it's
that I think it's on the downslide. I think books
are going to come back.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Ooh.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I think books are going to be the new social media.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, maybe an audiobook. Even there'll be new ways to
do it. I told you about that palm reader, and
Balie told me that even cell phones and stuff are
going away. And I was like, I mean, she might
have more been talking about social media, but like access,
she said, like, we're not gonna want it. Yeah, I'm
on board. Well, go check out this book. It's called
Be the Sun.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Not the Salt.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I'll put the link in the description of this podcast.
You can always email us at the Edge at velvet
sedge dot com. I'm on Instagram at Velvet's Edge Chip.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I'm at Chip doors its ch I P D O
R S C H.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
And as you guys go into the weekend and you're
living on the edge, I hope you always remember too.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Ad.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Start acting casual.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Telesi, let's just act casual. Bye bye.
Good afternoon.
Speaker 2 (00:04):
Hello are you Are you British?
Speaker 1 (00:05):
So I think it was like a combination of Australian
and British.
Speaker 3 (00:10):
Yeah, that's just Madonna.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
I do wish I was British sometimes I just love
a British accent.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
Why do they sound smarter?
Speaker 1 (00:22):
Well, just maybe a little more refined. Yeah, I do
think I was British in a past life because I
have obsessions with all things British culture, and so, you know,
sometimes it just comes out, you.
Speaker 2 (00:33):
Know, I mean, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Sometimes it's Cajun sounding and sometimes it's British. I mean whenever. Well,
happy Friday you guys. I talked to Chip.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I was.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
I gave you a copy of this book actually by
Harry Cohen, and it was Be the Sun Not the
sal And I talked to doctor Harry Cohen on Wednesday's podcast.
I did tell you I was reading this book thinking
to myself, this is for first of all, this is
just Chip, and this is just like my boyfriend, because
both of you guys are sevens on the Enneagram, and
(01:05):
you bring such a positive energy to everything you do,
and that's kind of what this book is about. It's
a daily kind of reader reminder of the small things
you can do in your day, in your life, in
your relationships that will better your life. And also everyone
else is around you. But you texted me and you go,
I feel seen.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
I feel seen. I'd never heard of the word heliotropic before.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
We'll tell the listeners what that means.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
The heliotropic effect is the tendency for all living systems
to be drawn to energy that sustains its life. Like gravity,
the heliotropic effect is a powerful, invisible force that we
can harness if we understand it. So it's basically like
radiating light, you know, yeah, and then being.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Positivity gravitating towards you because you have a light about
you or the energy around you is positive, and it
does that feel heavy or bring you down. And you
and I were talking about this after and we're like,
this is literally what we feel on a day today.
And in our society, it's really hard to not escape
(02:13):
the salt. Like if we're saying, be the sun, not
the salt. Right now, there feels like there's a lot
of salt everywhere social media politics, and it's just so
interesting because it's almost like salt cells and sun doesn't.
Speaker 2 (02:27):
But I'm guilty of it. That's it.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Yeah, I'm look, I know that when I go to
look at the news, I click on all the horrible headlines. Yeah,
like I'm like bus crash, fifty eight people dead.
Speaker 2 (02:39):
I need to know about that.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
And it's just like when I think back, I mean
a I try not to read the news anymore because
I just can't stomach it. But I think back to it,
I'm like, what was that doing to me internally, you know, emotionally,
to just want to read the bad news?
Speaker 1 (02:57):
Well, I think it keeps us. If we're talking in
terms of like a psychology thinking mindset, I would say
it probably keeps us in fight or flight. So once
your nervous system gets activated, you almost are drawn to
these things that continue that pattern because it feels familiar.
So we're doing these things subconsciously, but it doesn't really
make us feel good. I think everyone's probably been in
(03:20):
some state of fight or flight since the pandemic, whether
you want to believe it or accept that or not,
we have all gone through this collective trauma. There's so
much fighting happening everywhere, and like you just mentioned, like
we didn't used to see that kind of stuff all
the time, we weren't reading about every single thing that
happened in the world all the time.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Yeah, I mean, news is now a twenty four hour
cycle at us. At least when we were growing up,
it wasn't like the news came on at.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Six o'clock and the ten o'clock.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
You read the paper in the morning and it came
on at five six and then again right before bed,
so you had.
Speaker 1 (03:54):
Some control about what you were receiving and taking in,
like you said. And now it's just our brains are
easily accessible to these news outlets or trolls online or
whatever it is all the time because of the social
media world. And it's like also it's just emails, Like
I'm subscribed to certain emails from different newspapers and things
(04:16):
like that, so you're constantly getting it in there too.
When I really think about it, it just feels like
it's everywhere you turn.
Speaker 3 (04:23):
Yeah, I mean, I wrote I have a subscription to
Rolling Stone because I'm a music junkie, and I don't
think like maybe ten percent of their headlines that I
get emailed are music centric.
Speaker 1 (04:35):
That's so wild.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
It's all politics now.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
Yeah, politics has become entertainment, you know, And I think
that's why it is dangerous and bad for us.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Because being a villain in politics.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Now is like being a villain in a Hollywood film,
and everyone wants to write about it, and we've all
grown up loving those types of movies.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
But like, where the fucking heroes today we like happen?
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Right, That's what maybe we're arguing about, is who can
be the hero? But the truth is it feels like
we're watching a bad reality TV show to me, and
it's actually real life though, Like that's what people don't
understand about reality TV as we talk about this a lot,
like it's not necessarily exactly realistic if you will, I mean,
it's parts part of it is realistic, but then it's
(05:23):
fabricated for TV or amplified for TV or done a
certain way for TV, and then that's what's happening in
our political world, it feels like, except that it's the
outcomes are actually real life, Like it's impacting real life
things that are big and dangerous and scary. So it
is a big deal. It's not just shouldn't just be
(05:45):
tabloid fodder or something to get your popcorn out for
and just watch villains or fake heroes or whatever.
Speaker 3 (05:53):
You know, it's just become a dangerous game that is
better ignored maybe, but.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
It's hard because you feel like you need to be
in It's a fine line. There's two sides of this coin.
So I mean, we had talked about it on a
political scale at first, and I'll talk about it in
a second why that came up for us. But it's
hard because I don't really like to talk about politics
on this podcast. I don't like to feel like I'm
taking one side and we can't have listeners who voted
(06:21):
the other way or anything like that. Like I actually
think that defeats the whole purpose of living in a
democracy that everyone can have their own opinion. I'm also
not a political analyst or anything like that, now, are you.
It's completely opinion based and it just feels like I
don't want to add to the noise of that, and
(06:43):
it's hard to ignore because it's everywhere. So without taking sides,
I do try to like mention the things that are
impacting us, but not necessarily go so hard in the paint.
I think we've just it's a hard like we've gone
back and forth on this on how to talk about
it and whatever. But you had sent me a T
shirt the other day because we were talking about I
actually don't even remember why. What was the topic that
(07:06):
you sent that for.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
I can't even remember.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
You were mad about something our current president did.
Speaker 3 (07:12):
Yes, well, I mean it started with the tesla ad
that he Oh that's what.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
It was, That's what it was. Sorry, yeah, yeah, again,
whatever you believe politically, like that's on you and this
is on us and whatever, Like I don't. I think
we've got to get over not being able to have
different opinions from some people that we like. Everyone has
different value systems, like that's what I truly believe, and
the things that mattered to one person are not necessarily
going to be the things that top are the top
(07:38):
matters to others. So we have to respect each other,
I think. But the T shirt you said like it
was supporting a cause that you believed in. But the
T shirt to me was very negative, like it said
I didn't vote for him, and I just I've seen
this so much, and trust me, I'm not saying this
from a place of like I haven't done it too.
I think we've done it. What I'm seeing is like,
(08:00):
like we're not getting anywhere, because all we're doing is
trying to blame each side, and the truth is both
sides are pretty fucked up, like the extreme things are
not working. So we got to figure out a way
to like come together. And I think a lot of
people actually have beliefs somewhere in the middle, but we
just get so triggered by stuff I am included in
(08:22):
that that we want to just send hate back and
it's not working. Like I think we need to fight
for the causes we believe in, but I think we
got to find another way to do it. And so
for me, the T shirt saying I didn't vote for
him because I've we've had that on the other side
as well, like sent back to us. I'm like, what
is that accomplishing? So you're right there wrong, Like what
(08:44):
does that actually get done? And then you and I
talked about it and you're like, yeah, I actually agree, like, yeah,
that's not the kind of energy that we want to
bring to it to actually try to make changes. I'm
not saying I have the solution. I just don't think
that that's it.
Speaker 2 (08:59):
Does that make sense totally? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (09:01):
And it's you know, I think it's a really easy
trap to fall into to like embrace to embrace the
snark and miss the big picture.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
It does are security, so we're like or we don't
feel in control, so we want to like blame somebody.
That's a normal human thing.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
Totally.
Speaker 1 (09:19):
Yeah, what were you about to say?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
No, I'm saying like that shirt in particular, like negativity
can be wrapped up in the humor of it, you know,
the snarkiness of the shirt, and it blinds you from
the bigger picture of it being a blame game versus
it being a funny, snarky thing, because I do see
the humor in it too, or the protective qualities of
(09:43):
it just to be like I didn't do it, you know,
in the same way that someone would wear something positive
like a MAGA hat because they're proud of it. But
there's a maga, maga, I don't know, maga, I don't know,
maga whatever, but the MGA hat, like they wear it
because they're supportive of it. But there's also the underlying
tone of I'm better than you, you know, like.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
There is it is mentally be great if we do
it this way.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
Right right, And there is the element, yeah, the element
of just like where right you're wrong in the same
way it's it's not meant to be snarky, like it's
not funny, right, but it sends the same message.
Speaker 2 (10:22):
Well, the truth is.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Think about if you get in a fight with someone
and you go to hard to bat at your side,
like most fights, we know this, there's two sides to
every story. The third one is typically the truth, right,
Like every fight probably has a little dose of truth
on each side, or someone's coming from a certain perspective
that makes sense for them and their journey or whatever
(10:46):
you want to say. So if you realize after a
fight that whatever you were saying, you're like, eh, yeah,
maybe they were right, Like I could see what they're
saying now, and you go to them and literally all
they say to you is I told you so or something. Yeah,
what does that do. There's no repair between y'all, Like, no,
(11:07):
not ever gonna be good. It just makes you probably
more mad and it doesn't accomplish anything. And so that's
kind of the same energy to me that is being
put out with so much of the politics as like, well,
I told you so, But it's happening on both sides,
and both sides truly believe their side is right. We
have to figure out a way I think to hear
(11:28):
the other side agree to disagree on some things, probably
a lot of things, but how do we work together
for the common goal and be more of the sun
with each other than just throwing more salts on the wounds,
Like it's not helping.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
Yeah, it's truly causing a decay of society.
Speaker 1 (11:48):
Well, it's just the pendulum keeps going back and forth.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
You Yeah, and that's never You're never gonna You're never
gonna meet in the middle that way. No.
Speaker 1 (12:03):
The point being to me is I'm seeing now a
lot of times now that the political environment has shifted
to the more conservative side. A lot of the people
that I follow are saying we'll see I told you
or whatever, and it's just like that T shirt. It's like,
it's just like, I don't think that that helps as
a person who is seeing things happen right now that
(12:27):
I don't think I voted for. If I just go, well,
I didn't vote for that. What am I helping other
than my ego? Do you know what I'm saying? Like that,
it's just a very ego base to me, and it's
very much like we're all doing the best we can
exactly like it's I told you so, it's whatever, and again,
(12:48):
voice your concerns if that's what it is. But can
we all try to change the way we're doing it.
That's my biggest thing. It's like, let's be able to
have a fucking adult conversation about differing a penis and
differing beliefs, because then we might actually get something done.
But the longer that we sit on these tangents of well,
I didn't do that, or that was all you, or
(13:10):
you voted for that not me, or you said to
do this and not me, and it's.
Speaker 2 (13:13):
Like, Okay, it accomplishes nothing. It's not accomplishes nothing.
Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yeah, And I think so a lot of that to
get off the political stuff and go back to social
media is like, we're seeing a lot of that on
social media. And so a research is social media negativity
rewarded over positivity? And the answer, what do you think
it is?
Speaker 2 (13:36):
Hands down, it is rewarded.
Speaker 1 (13:38):
Yeah, a million percent rewarded.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Studies have shown that negative posts often garner more engagement
than positive ones. For instance, research indicates that negative news
content increases physiological activation and is more likely to be remembered,
leading to higher share rates. Isn't that crazy?
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Do you think it's like a do the mean thing
where it affects our brains in a way that like
calls this fight or flight because I can imagine like
some of the shares are like I'm forty, like if
I disagree with it, I'm pissed off.
Speaker 2 (14:15):
So I'm fording because I get them all the time.
Speaker 3 (14:17):
And right after the inauguration when I was unhappy, I
was having friends forward me a bunch of stuff that
like were negative, and I had to ask them like, hey,
this name is in my inbox enough and on my
screens enough.
Speaker 2 (14:32):
I don't need my friends fording it.
Speaker 1 (14:34):
It's not helping you, it's not helping me get it down.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
So there is like a I think that the salty
things get that sort of interaction for two reasons, Whereas
it's so much easier to gloss over something positive.
Speaker 2 (14:48):
You're just like, oh, yeah, it's cute, Oh that's cute.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
You know.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
I can only speak for myself, but what I did realize,
like my boyfriend, like I said, has a very similar
mentality to you, and he with this political environment is
like I think it's so interesting because both sides when
either if you had if Biden was your president or
if Trump is your president, that you voted for. One
(15:13):
side of that argument was always freaking the fuck out
that the world was over while the opposite person was
in office. If I'm not saying that right, Like, if
you're a Democrat right now, you're struggling with the Trump
being in office when you if you're super hard conservative,
you're probably struggling with Biden. And so his point to
me is always like, focus on yourself better the world.
(15:36):
Do like do your part of the thing, you know,
like bring sun not salt in your everyday interactions. Show
up and do the best you can. And I will
have days where I'm like, that's not gonna say right right,
so emotional that like sometimes the emotions overwhelm me. And
the more I've thought about it though, and I'm reading
(15:57):
this book kind of helped too. I just am like
part of that is right, because what happens for me
if I start reading about negative political news and I
get hooked on it. It's almost like I don't know
if it's like a control thing, but it's like the
more that I think my brain thinks, the more that
I read, the more in control that I'll be because
(16:17):
I'll be in the know of when the world's gonna end, right,
And it's like, yeah, that's not really how this works.
It's not how the universe works. But I do think
there's some sort of sense of safety and security. It's false,
but a false sense of security and safety that I'm
trying to garner by having as much information as I can.
(16:39):
And now that we're saying what we're saying, though, it's
like and also that gives the media and trolls online
and all of these other avenues or outlets control over
my fucking brain and my life.
Speaker 3 (16:53):
Yeah, I mean, and that's what they want. I mean,
they are designed to hook you. They are designed to
be a deck if they are designed to keep you engaged,
because the more you're on it, the more they're selling ads,
the more you're clicking on things to buy, the more
the more the more.
Speaker 2 (17:11):
You know.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
What's funny is, while you were talking, like, all I
could think of is the old adage ignorance is.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Bliss, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (17:19):
It's like, at what point, like when we were running
around as kids and all we knew was like fun.
We didn't have information, we had friends, we had adventures,
we had we were making shit up in our heads
and we were like happy and the world like we
weren't even aware of what was going on in Washington, DC.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
And I think if.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
We could all sort of approach try to approach life
a little bit more like find that kid in us
again that would run up to a stranger and hand
them a flower that they just picked, or tell someone
that they, you know, like their shirt, or just be
more sun in the world. Really, that is the weapon
that changes all of this bullshit. That's the only way forward.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
But it's so funny though, because it's like what I
said to you before the podcast, I feel sometimes like
the more healthy I and my life have gotten, that
I seem more boring. Like it's almost like if you
are not operating from a high drama chaos place. I mean,
(18:28):
there's no entertainment value in that, right, And so it's
almost like really having to rewire our entire culture to
understand that positivity, calm lives, like consistency, the things like
the things that I changed when I changed how I dated,
like the things I was looking for in a relationship
are almost on a bigger scale what we need to
(18:50):
change or what might be beneficial for us to change,
But it's the same old thing of like you know,
even sex cells or the sense sationalized things or you
and I used to talk about like sometimes we would
do more shock factor kind of things, like oh, if
we tell people this, then that's enticing, and the truth is,
is it fucking works?
Speaker 3 (19:09):
And like, well, we're in an attention economy, so it's
like we were doing that shit for attention, and now
this feels more intentional instead of attentional. It's we're like,
we're doing this from I don't even know if attentional
is a word, but if it isn't, trademarket, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
This is intentional.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
And it's like, maybe we don't reach as many people
by doing it because we're not going to have a
moment that goes viral or whatever. But my hope is
that by us being more vulnerable and kind and positive,
that the people that we are reaching and the people
that are listening were bringing light into their day. And
I would encourage anybody who is listening that feels like
(19:53):
they know people that need more positivity to share this
with somebody like, because that's how that grows. And I'm
not saying that even just for like listenership and numbers
or whatever. I'm saying it because it's like, there's only
so many people a day that I can touch, you know,
personally and shine a little light on. And I agree
(20:14):
with you, like I feel like my life has gotten
really fucking boring lately, and.
Speaker 2 (20:17):
I love it saying I don't.
Speaker 3 (20:20):
Want the attention. I craved so much attention. You know,
I wanted to be popular, I wanted to be liked
by everybody. I wanted all of the things that really
don't matter. Like now, what I want is to like
myself truly deeply and know myself. And I mean I've
done all that stuff. At the end of the day,
(20:41):
I often felt really fucking empty.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
I worked so hard to have nearly six thousand friends
on Facebook just to have someone steal it, you know.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
What I mean, Like, what the fuck?
Speaker 3 (20:53):
It meant nothing? It meant nothing, and you know how
happy I am without it now?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Yeah, I don't know. That other thing is is like
when the focus is that I think both of us
have experienced, even like this thing you just said about Facebook,
When you experience something like that, then you realize, oh
my god, I worked so hard to get to this place,
and then it's proof it's gone, you know, overnight, and
I'm still here and my life is still the same,
(21:19):
And what did it actually mean then? So, when you're
chasing attention or validation or all the external things as
the number one priority, it can be taken away at
any moment, and you're insatiable, you'll never have enough. I
think both of us have reached a different place now
where we're like, wait, I just want to have quality
conversations like this, for instance, if people shared, I would
(21:42):
just hope that people just start talking in the same
way that you and I are, just asking the questions,
Like this isn't to sit on some soapbox and be like,
let's be kind to everybody because we're so kind and
we're perfect, like neither one of us are, and we're
not trying to say that by any means. I'm just like,
what we're doing in this world, it doesn't feel like
it's working to me. That's all that I notice. So
(22:03):
there has to be another way. And if we haven't
done that way before, let's figure it out together, Like,
let's start asking the questions. Let's start talking about I
want to fucking ran out. I know, let's talk about
what's not working or what we feel like when we're
experiencing all these things online, in politics, whatever it is.
(22:26):
And I bet you most people would say I feel heavy,
I don't feel good, and isn't the goal to feel good?
Like why are we not doing the things that make
us happy and that make us feel good and then
spreading that around? And I think that's what you and
I just started to realize, like, Okay, maybe we want
to be more of the sun and not the salt.
Like I don't want to be talking about gossip and
(22:48):
slander and all that stuff anymore. It doesn't feel good
to me. That's why I don't want to do it.
Not because I think I'm better than anybody else. I
just literally it makes me feel bad, Like I don't
want to do it. I don't want to do things
that make me feel bad.
Speaker 3 (22:59):
I don't feel like I'm better than anybody else. I
just want to be the best me.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
Yeah. I talked about being on that journey lately.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Like a lot.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
Yeah, I am kumbay eyeing myself, and I do think
it was because I was I was looking for the
external validation and all the while I didn't like myself,
and that was a really hard pill to swallow, to
recognize that.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And now I do like myself.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
You know, I'm and every day I'm reading something to
try and stay in touch with myself. I've started journaling,
I'm doing all the things, and I you know, it's
funny too, because I've had to have some really tough
conversations with some friends lately that I don't know that
I would have had the courage to do in the past.
And it's crazy how easy it is, even when it's
(23:50):
a hard conversation, how easy it is when like you
know that it's coming from a place of pure love
and there is no pill on earth that can replace
that feeling. And it's also amazing when it comes back
to you and they're like, I'm so grateful that you
were honest with me about that.
Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yes, yeah, what I hear you saying is that your
life is just getting deeper and so it's getting richer.
And I think that's a really great overall thing to
think about, too, is just instead of the fighting and
being so on the surface of the things, why are
we not let's start looking maybe at the root of
some like we talk about root causes with health, but
there's also root causes with mental health and less psychological
(24:33):
issues and happiness and all of the driving forces of
everything that we do why we do what we do.
So if you disagree with somebody, maybe look at the
root of their story and where they're coming from, and
also where you're coming from, and stop arguing about the
simple point and try to have a conversation about the
deeper thing. It's just really interesting when you start doing that,
(24:55):
isn't it Like your relationships get better, you feel better,
life gets better, better, all of it. It's just deeper, richer, warmer, happier.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
Yeah, it's sun.
Speaker 3 (25:06):
It's that's everyone's got a different point of view and
we're all built on different histories and you have to
take that into consideration when you're talking to somebody, or
you've got.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
To meet them where they are.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Yeah, and that's something new that I learned, and I'm
kind of glad as like has let me sort of
release a lot of anger.
Speaker 1 (25:27):
Yeah, And I guess the last thing I'll end on
because I know we got to go, but I just
was thinking about it when you told you were saying
the thing to me about social media and just how
they that's what they want. We keep saying, they like
whatever is running social media, all, yeah, just be conscious.
Like That's what I'm starting to realize too, is I'm
(25:47):
so unconsciously scrolling and taking in information, and I'm trying
to be more in control of what I'm subconsciously taking in,
So whether that's meditation or soundbaths or even sitting in
the bathtub in silence, like trying to make sure that
I'm doing those things for my nervous system and my
brain to reset and not just letting someone else control
me all the time. Like when you change the narrative
(26:09):
in your brain to that that I'm giving my power
away through these avenues, It's really interesting what it makes
you want to do. So, whether you agree with what
we said or not, maybe just take it into your
life as some sort of new outlook of I'm going
to be more conscious of what I'm taking in and
(26:29):
what I'm digesting, what I'm giving energy to and see
if that changes your outlook as well, because I'd be
really curious if we all like limited what we're ingesting
all the time, if our output would be different too.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
My hot take is that like by twenty thirty we're
not going to have social media. I just think it's
that I think it's on the downslide. I think books
are going to come back.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
Ooh.
Speaker 2 (26:52):
I think books are going to be the new social media.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
Yeah, maybe an audiobook. Even there'll be new ways to
do it. I told you about that palm reader, and
Balie told me that even cell phones and stuff are
going away. And I was like, I mean, she might
have more been talking about social media, but like access,
she said, like, we're not gonna want it. Yeah, I'm
on board. Well, go check out this book. It's called
Be the Sun.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Not the Salt.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
I'll put the link in the description of this podcast.
You can always email us at the Edge at velvet
sedge dot com. I'm on Instagram at Velvet's Edge Chip.
Speaker 2 (27:22):
I'm at Chip doors its ch I P D O
R S C H.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
And as you guys go into the weekend and you're
living on the edge, I hope you always remember too.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
Ad.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Start acting casual.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Telesi, let's just act casual. Bye bye.
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