June 27, 2025 • 35 mins
Piggybacking off Kelly’s conversation with dream expert Bonnie Buckner, she and Chip dive even deeper into the wild world of dreams—sharing personal dream stories (including Chip’s two recurring dreams and Kelly’s latest vivid vision), decoding what they might mean, and uncovering how dreams are actually one of the most underrated tools for creativity and clarity.
They also explore how billion-dollar companies like Salesforce were born in a dream, and why daydreaming might be your brain’s most powerful business partner. If you’ve been feeling creatively stuck, craving insight, or just curious about what’s really happening while you sleep—this episode might be exactly what your subconscious ordered.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
Hey, ship Hi, Like we've been on the phone for
about an hour and a half and then we just
get on this right now and go, hey, oh my.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
God, such good actors. It's such improv. We've also already
done the podcast, but we're going to redo it better
in this time.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, hopefully better. We'll redo it so you guys can
hear it this time though, because we were just talking
it out. Wait, are you still taking improv classes?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Speaking of Well, it was a comedy writing class. I'm
not right now because it was a four week program.
So I finished it and I just haven't. It's tough
like doing what I do, especially in the summer because
I'm trying. I travel a lot on the weekends and
there are usually classes on the weekend. If you miss too,
you fail, you're out.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
So yeah, they don't mess around.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
They don't mess around. They don't want shitty comics come
out of their school.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I went to Charleston last week, which obviously you know,
and I think I told the listeners I was doing that,
and I just shut it down like I needed it.
I feel so good. I'm so proud of us, because
for me, that is very difficult to say that I'm
going to do something for myself and stick with it.
And I did, and I feel great and now I'm
ready to get back to work. But the whole point
of me even saying that was my boyfriend has this
(01:12):
group of friends and they do these like monthly comedy shows,
and so people come in and they do skits and
this month they did like a thirty minute improv section
at the end, and like six of the comedians got
up there and just did improv. I was crying. I
have so much respect for people who do that. The
stuff that comes out of their mouths, it's the best.
(01:34):
But I kept thinking of you, because I was thinking,
Chip would actually be so good at this if you
would allow yourself just to say whatever came to your mind.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, I did do improv in La. I studied at
the Groundling Theater, which is a really famous one, like
h Kristen Wigg. A bunch of them were actual groundlings,
and I got through the second level before I moved
and it was really fun but also really scary, and
I like did it by my side. I didn't do
with any friends. It was just like something that I
was like, I feel like I need to do this. Yeah,
and the funny thing about it is like even the
(02:03):
best of them, like they bomb sometimes and that can
be really funny.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Like that's almost funnier.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, especially if like when you're really good at it
and you're bombing and you pull yourself out. It just
is and then the crowd you've got them in the
palm of your hand once you've done though. Yes, but
there's nothing worse than just a bad night of improv,
which you know happens probably more in smaller cities or
the talent pool smaller. But yeah, I went and saw.
(02:30):
I went with some friends to Boston, you know, several
weeks ago to see Amy Poehler and Tina Fay. Oh
my gosh, they're doing this like tour, and I purposely
didn't look. I didn't want to see any videos. I
didn't want to do any research because I was like,
what are they going to do? They're not like stand
up comedians. What's this show going to be. I'm not
going to give any spoilers because if you're a fan
of theirs and you can get to one of their shows,
(02:52):
fucking see it. It's amazing. They broke it down the
words like get to know each of them, so it
was like funny history of each of them, and but
there was an improv section where they took cues from
the audience, and I mean, they're two of the best
in the game. You know, they're good. They're so good.
And they came up from in Second City, which is
the one that's based in Chicago. Oh yeah, and so
(03:15):
they they I think that's where they met, and so
like they just know each other's humor so well at
this point that like it was just like, you know,
you'd forget what the prompt was and they would just
bring it back four minutes later, and you're like, holy shit, coming.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yes, I want to go to Second City so bad.
I think you remember, we had tickets this Christmas to
go because my boyfriend's family lives in Chicago, and we
both got the stomach bug and couldn't go. So we're
going to try to redo it this year. But I've
been dying to go there. I just love that kind
of stuff so much, and it's so many famous people
have come out of there, so I figure it has
to be really good. Yeah, yeah, well this PoCA the best, Okay, Well,
(03:57):
but then Second City is also that is second best,
second best. Yeah, you get it. Huh huh, get it.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I like what you did there.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Thank you. This podcast is not actually about improv or
a comedy, but about dreaming, which kind of could tie
in todays.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I have to have a dream in order to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And you have to let yourself kind of daydream to
think of different improv things, so it could tie in.
But on Wednesday I was telling you, I interviewed Bonnie Buckner,
doctor Bonnie Buckner, and she just wrote this book called
The Secret Mind, Unlock the Power of your Dreams to
Transform your Life. She's actually the second dream expert that
I have had on the podcast, and so it was
(04:34):
really interesting for me to talk to her to see
what similarities both people said. And similarly to my last
podcast about dreams, both dream experts are constantly talking about
the fact that, like we're really missing out on a
complete healing modality, business starter, idea creator, healer. It just
(04:55):
all these ways that we can work with our dreams
and our lives that we're not doing because but we
just don't even really acknowledge that they're happening. Most of
the time, you know, or you wake up.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We think they're not happening.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
You don't remember, or you wake up and you go, well,
that was weird, and then you move about your day.
And that was kind of what she and I talked
about because one of the main points for her in
writing this book was doing research about how much creativity
has dropped in our culture over the last many years.
And that's obviously like there's the creation of AI. It's
(05:29):
we're constantly scrolling. We're not allowing ourselves to take a
beat ever and like think about what we're feeling or
what an experience just taught us, or just to allow
our mind to kind of wander off in daydream, daydream
and night dream, you know. So it was interesting because
I told her, I don't really feel like I dreamed
that much all the time. Then I went to Charleston
(05:50):
last week, I shut down. I had the weirdest dreams
every single night, like so much, said that I would
wake up and have to tell my boyfriend about them,
like they were so odd. And then I had another
one last night, and she told me it's because you
finally like stopped and allowed your body to relax. It
knew it was like taking a breath or whatever, and
(06:12):
so all of that stuff could come to the surface.
And the way she says it is that like you're
processing through things that have been happening in your life,
patterns that have been coming up, but you haven't been
paying attention to it because you're just go, go, go,
go go.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, it's your subconscious mind in action.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah. And we talked a little bit about the subconscious
because I had that same question, was just like, how
much is like that we're suppressing it? And she said
it's not as much as you're suppressing it as you're
just never stopping to even acknowledge that your body just
experienced something, like we have an experience and then we
move on to the next experience. And even I was
(06:51):
telling you like I had told her that example of
dreaming about something with an ex boyfriend of mine, and
I told her, like it was just weird because that
was such a vivid dream. And then I was having
dreams the week before, I thought, and I remember having
weird dreams, waking up going that was a weird dream.
I need to remember it. I was going to write
it down, but I got up to go make coffee,
(07:13):
and then by the time I had gone back to
my room to write it down, I had forgotten it.
And she says it's because I went into my executive brain. So, yeah,
you really do. Like the night I had the dream
about the ex, I told my current boyfriend. She was like, well,
your poor current boyfriend. But I was like, it wasn't
like that. It wasn't like a weird dream like that.
But yeah, I told him right away when I woke up,
(07:35):
and so I remembered it. It's just really bizarre to
me the whole Like when you were talking.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I struggle with remembering them. And I know that like
I'm supposed to. Like when you do, they say like,
the more you can write down what you do, remember
first thing in the morning, it trains your brain to
remember it more. Yeah, so it's a sort of self
fulfilling thing you have to put the work in to remember. Yeah,
but it always blows my mind when I do remember it,
because it's like when I wake up up and I
(08:01):
start to like tell myself, then it's like as if
I'm telling someone or writing it down myself. Like I
always hit a point where I'm like, wait a minute,
I don't like i'd remember it, but I don't really
remember it, like this is fucking weird. And then I
just stop. Yeah, I sadly don't remember my dreams as
often as I wish. And I think it's because I
(08:21):
like burn the candle at both ends, like I need
to probably have a bit of a reset to do that.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I think you probably do. And I think it was
interesting because when you and I were talking before the podcast,
you were mentioning when you get massages that often you
will go into almost this dream like state, and it's
because you're actually like allowing your body to relax and
then your brain can wander off. And you're such a
creative person. It's like that actually is probably a very
(08:49):
important process for you, the way your brain works to
just let it drift off or dream out. And how
often we just really don't live our life in a
way that sets us up up to do that. You know.
That's kind of what this book was all about.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I mean it's you know me, we laugh about
it all the time. Like the thing I say the
most is what if? And it's like the funny thing
is is like I feel like my whole life is
a dream like it really Like I think about some
of the shit that I've like done, and I mean
I couldn't have dreamt for a better life really like
and some of the adventures I've gone on and people
I've met and things I've gotten to do, And but
(09:25):
I also have that like really quirky thing where it's
like I'll be sitting at a dinner table and somebody
else say something and next thing you know, I've said
the weirdest fucking thing that any of it said in
relation to that. And so I feel like my brain
is constantly and like some sort of there's a part
of it that's in a dream state, you know, which
it like definitely feeds my creativity.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Well, it could probably tie astrology back into this too,
but I won't for you guys with that today. But
do you have a lot of Pisces in your chart?
So do I, And they say that Pisces we kind
of do live in a dreamlike state sometimes, Yeah, and
that's how we create though, that's the beauty of it. Yeah,
I was telling you I did some research that I
thought was really interesting because the more I talked to Bonnie,
(10:06):
the more I thought about the creativity piece and kind
of just like, wow, I wonder what business ideas I
could come up with, or that our culture could come
up with if we really allowed ourselves to go into
this dream like state. More so, I started researching. Did
you know that salesforce? You know, the company's sales force
that was created from a dream. Did you know that salesforce?
(10:38):
You know, the company's salesforce that was created from a dream.
Like the founder had a dream and woke up the
next morning and just started writing it down and then
created the business based on that dream.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I mean, if that doesn't tell you to put things
into action, well, right, it's like a billion billion dollar company. Yeah. Yeah,
they like have like Metallica play their holiday party, you know,
like that the kind of money that company has.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah. And then there was this other company that I found.
It's called Prophetic, and they're trying to create this headset
that you wear that helps you set intentions of what
you want to dream about. So like when you go
to sleep, you put on the headset and you kind
of set your intentions or whatever, and it helps your brain.
Don't ask me how this works, but it helps your
(11:24):
brain go into those different processes and then it like
monitors it for you too.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, so it's like a guided sleep kind of a
wondering I guess, huh, that's it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I don't know. I just think it's really interesting. I
wonder what the research would be because I've told you
about Do you remember when I told you about doing
my psilocybin trip with that shaman and he used Johns
Hopkins musical playlist to trigger certain things in your brain.
So while you're on your trip, you have like an
eyemask on and then you have headphones on that you're
(11:55):
listening to these certain sounds. And the way it worked
for me was like every song that would change would
trigger my brain into this almost like different movie of
my life. Like one song was one thing, and then
the next song I was like often to a different
journey with different people. It's really wild. So there has
to be a lot of like neuroscience around this as well.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
The funny thing about dreams and I guess the brain,
like our brain can only operate on the information that
it's received, right. Obviously, there are things that are inherent
that we are born. We have instincts, okay, but like
we can't process thoughts that have anything to do with
something that hasn't affected us in some way, right, because
(12:36):
otherwise we wouldn't even be able to think about it.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I'm trying to get what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I don't know, so, like, I mean, your experience and
what your brain knows is different than my brain, even
though they operate the same way. So like your brain
could only create a dream from your experience, yeah, not
from mine, right, So I mean they're like hard there
are like our internal hard drives that that are so
much stronger than any computer we could ever build. But
(13:02):
it's really interesting to think, like how that information has
been processed and put into your brain and it could
be from when you were two years old, it could
be from yesterday, and your brain is, you know, figuring
out how it fits with everything else. And so it's
really crazy when you think about the idea that like
(13:22):
we have these dreams that are out of our control,
but the ingredients for those dreams are things that we've
all experienced.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Well, and so much of it is your body communicating
with you. And that was really what Bonnie taught me.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Right, Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, I mean when we call it brained, but I
think it's you who your whole nervous system too. And again,
if we're moving through our lives so quickly but we're
not processing, that doesn't mean our bodies forget the experience.
It just means it's like almost stuck and it wasn't processed.
Let's say, so then you go into a dream and
(13:56):
you can process out what happened. But what's so wild
about dreams is they often take a face of exactly
what you're saying. An example that we've had in our lives, right,
Like I told her the story about my dream in
Charleston was that I had gotten back together with an
X that had cheated on me. I mean, I talk
about this all the time in this podcast. No, I
(14:18):
mean I wouldn't. It's just like it doesn't even I
don't even think about that relationship of any other terms.
Then that it helped me get on this healing path,
and I'm grateful for it now, you know, like I
don't even have bad feelings. I don't have any feelings
about it. And so in my dream, I got back
together with him, which was so bizarre and felt like
out of nowhere to me, and then he cheated on
(14:41):
me again. And so when I told her that story,
she goes, this is the perfect example, because she goes
to put your mind at rest and your current boyfriend's
mine at rest, this has nothing to do with your
ex Basically, what her interpretation was was that I was
trying to process through a pattern, and so he was
the face of that pattern that my body was trying
(15:03):
to show me something about. Either it could be repeating
patterns of betrayal or whatever, like some that's somewhere in
my life, maybe that I'm like worried about that, or
how I showed up in that relationship, Like am I
doing that in other places in my life? Like there
was all these different questions she was asking me, and
I think that's what her book does too, you know,
(15:24):
kind of highlights out these questions that you can ask yourself,
because I think we kind of take dreams sometimes at
face value and we go what in the world like that?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Or we google them and just believe.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
That, yeah, and there's something probably more specific for you
for each dream. And so that's why the dream journals
and things like that are so important. You told me
you have reoccurring dreams.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Well, I had, I've had. I was funny. It's funny
that I was hoping we would get to this, and
I was going to ask, like, did you all talk
about recurring dreams at all?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
We did, because I asked her, you know what about
when people have these weird dreams or like their teeth
fall out all this time, right, She said, it's probably
going to keep happening until you address what the dream
is trying to show you. Yeah, by asking yourself those
questions or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I had two recurring dreams. They both happened when I
was kid, in my childhood, still living in my parents' house,
and but I still remember them vividly. The first one
was kind of scary. I lived in an old sort
of step style country home and I had a dormer
window in my bedroom, and in my dream, I was
sitting in the dormer bed the dormer window.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Looking at the dormer window.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
It's like a it's got like a ledge in it,
that something you might put a yes, yeah, I mean
the rounder ones are called bay windows, so a dormer
window is like a smaller version of that, okay, And
they sort of stick out of the roof, you know,
you have the roof the window sticks up, so I would.
In my dream, I was sitting in it, and I
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lived down a long field road, like you couldn't really
see if the tree if it was in the summer,
you couldn't see a house from the room, and my
family was asleep. In the dream, it was like at night,
and I was the middle of the night, and this green,
this big old green Cadillac comes driving up my driveway
and people get out and they have pantyhose on their
heads to obscure themselves, and they poured gasoline around my
(17:14):
house and caught it on fire. So my sister and
I our bedrooms were on the second floor on one
side of the house, and then there was like a
one story part that the kitchen and stuff were on,
and then on the other side of the house was
my parents. So in my dream, I was like I
couldn't get to my parents to save them. All I
(17:36):
could get to was my sister because we had this
like we had this ladder that you could throw out
the second story window, and it was a fire safety
ladder that you could throw out the window and crawl down.
It was in a box, and as a kid, I
wanted to use it so bad, but I knew I
would get in trouble if I did, because I probably
wouldn't be able to get it back in the box. Okay,
So I think the dream was literally just my fucking
(17:58):
kid heart being like, how can I use that goddamn ladder?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And really right. So in the first the first time
I had the dream, my parents died because I couldn't
get to them. Okay, So when it recurred the next time,
I woke my sister up, got her down. Then I
crawled across the roof, woke my parents up, crawled, they
crawled back with me, and I saved them. And I
(18:22):
was able to save them every time. We never like
it never went beyond like us catching them. It was
just about saving my family and getting to use that
damn ladder. And to this day, I don't think it's
ever I bet it's still because I bet it's still
under my sister's bed, and maybe I'll use Maybe I'll
use it when I'm home this year.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's interesting that you even resolved it your parents dying
within dreams, though it was like your brain kept that
lesson going or that desire going. Yeah. I don't. I
wish I was better at interpreting what these could mean.
But I find it's so interesting that it changed from
one time to another, Like do you ever have that
(19:02):
thing where you wake up in the middle of a
dream and you're like I need to go back in
and finish shit, or like, wait, what was going to happen?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I think that happens a lot of times too, when
people like fall in their dreams, they like will wake
up and they well, I you know, my interpretation of
it is one, it was just like the kid and
me wanted to use that.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yah.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's either that simple. Or two, there was something that
I needed to prove where I like could take care
of everyone. I could save my family, which is kind
of deep and dark for like the youngest member of
the family like to feel like they I needed to
carry that. But you know, and you know, I could
look at this a million ways too, now that I'm older,
(19:39):
and I'm like, I'm the one who flew the coop.
I'm very different from my family, Like maybe you know,
I politically am very different from my family. So it's
like I feel like I was put on earth to
help them evolve. I really do, like, because we just
think there's no reason why I should think so differently
than everyone else in my family. So I think like
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that's part of it. You know, It's I could look
at it a million ways, or.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
It could have nothing to do with your family, and
it's just your brain processing through that you feel responsibility
for people you care for, or that you want to
rescue whatever it would look like like, or that in
heightened sane. And that's what she was saying about my
ex the things. It actually has nothing to do with.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Him, right.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
The cirdest thing. I had another dream last night about
my very first boyfriend, and in my dream he was
coming back to my I mean it was like real
time he came to me though, and like was like
we should get back together or something. And at first
I was like open to it, and then I said, no,
I'm really in love with my boyfriend now. So I
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was like, why am I dreaming of all of my
ex boyfriends? It's almost like what I interpreted that as
this morning was Wow. The interesting thing could be that
maybe my body and brain is just really excited and
happy at where I am right now, and all of
these other relationships were building blocks to get to this relationship.
(21:08):
You know, like I don't know if I would be
able to show up how I do show up in
this relationship if I hadn't had those experiences and then
evolved from that, you know, So I just chose to
look at it that way, like it was just the
reminder of where I've been, right then have gratitude for
where I am now.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, sometimes we need those reminders. My other one was
a lot lighter. It was Okay, you know, I lived
in like farmland, and my neighbor was a farmer, the
older neighbor, and they had barns that were like the
big tractors and combines could drive into, so they were
like taller on one side and then sloped down and
got you know, the roof like got pretty low to
(21:46):
the ground. Yeah, And I used to dream that I could.
I would run across the field and when I got
close to the barn, I would just take off and
like fly over the thing, and then I would end
up I don't know what those these things are called,
but like in a series of events where like the
ball rolls down the hill and hits a piece of
wood and the wood tips and it spills the water, like, okay, God,
(22:07):
did one of these No, it's like a whole series of.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I know what you're talking about. Yes, that's a thing,
and then it all keeps the ball.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Rolling, yes, and I would I would end up in
one of those things where I was the thing that
was causing all the things to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Okay, I mean it's really.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
If anything tells you how fucking weird my brain is,
it's that.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Wait, you have that dream over and over.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Over and over again. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, and you're just the little ping that bad I
was the like.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Ping and I like went through all these like random things.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You guys can see what he's doing with his body
right now.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, I'm sure on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
He's shaking it like he's like this little I don't
even know what, like a bowling pin. I got a
little knocked im.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Like there's a ship. I'm gonna figure out the name
of that while we're doing this, because that's going to
drive me crazy. Because there's a band called okay Go
that made a music video that's really famous.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
And on the treadmills.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well they did that too.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It's a very creative videos idea.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
They're they're amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, I wonder what you're that dream means though, like
what what are you on the maze of life? Like
what is that?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I have no idea? Oh, it's called a Rube Goldberg machine.
The videos called this Too Shall Pass and they had
to they had to do it in one shot. You know.
It's like and they camera had to follow the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, that's really cute.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
It's like the dominoes fall over in the light, the
match lights and all.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
These Oh yeah, I know exactly what I just love.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I was I was more. I guess I would be
more like my character in that dream would have been
more like the camera, like I was following the whole thing.
But what's wild is that my kid brain thought of
all of that.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I was gonna ask you, like if you remembered a
last dream, But I think this one's a really interesting
one to think about with this because we were talking
about the Salesforce thing, for example. He dreamed that up.
So if you're taking this dream and you would think
about if there's a business idea that could come from that,
you know what I'm saying, like, Yeah, what do you
think your brain is trying to show you or work
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out with those kind of thoughts?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I mean that kind of thought, Like, you know, obviously
I was young when that happened, so I wouldn't have
been thinking about business. But like, if I had to
translate it from an adult perspective, it is probably that
like I was on a quest for adventure, you know,
and like recognizing that one thing does lead to another
(24:46):
and or accepting that one thing leads to another.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's all connected and.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
That everything is connected. But yeah, I mean I've had
this isn't like a sleep dream but and we talked
about this a little bit before we started recording. But
I get a lot massages, and I'm able to like
the only time that I ever remember my body going
into the state is during massages, where I'm like fully
aware of the massage, I'm feeling it. I'm like able
(25:11):
to follow it. But I'm also asleep, kind of asleep.
And that's when I have business or creative ideas, Like
I'll think of movie plots and like get very detailed
into it because I'm in a position where, like I
can't move, i can't be distracted by my phone, Like
I I'm all I'm there with are my thoughts and
(25:32):
so I could see how like and it does feel
like a dream state too. It's like I don't lay
down being like I'm gonna think of I'm going to
think of a movie, and like my brain just goes
somewhere and I'm like able to follow it and sort
of guide it so I could see how that would happen.
You know what, if I were fully asleep. The problem
is is I've probably done that and I wake up
(25:53):
and don't remember.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Well, that's what I was gonna say is after you
get massages, you really should try to pick up your
phone without I do write, and then write it down
immediately and then go back later and maybe even try
to piece things together. But one of the things randomly
that I've been thinking about recently, and I kind of
thought about this as I was having downtime last week,
was I don't really allow myself at this time of
(26:17):
my life to sit in daydream. And I just remember
being in my twenties, and obviously that was when I
was trying to build a career and hearing makeup and styling,
and so I had a lot more time because you know,
I was like waiting tables and doing things like that,
like what, didn't have a demanding job yet. And I
think now I have such little free time or I
(26:39):
constantly am filling my schedule with stuff, and I don't
really allow myself the time to day dream. Well, I
was thinking about it because we've been talking about kind
of just re engaging in the creativity and also like
even social media, Like I'm really wanting to kind of
reframe how I use it. And I used to love
it because I would really put a lot of creativity
too into it was fun. It was like a creative
(27:01):
outlet for me. And I want to get back to
that because that was when I really enjoyed it. But
I think has said. I was sitting there last week
thinking I feel like I'm wasting time because I was
kind of just like off in a little daydream. And
then I thought to myself, no, this is actually I
need to like almost a lot, like an hour or
however long. I decide a week to sit and just
(27:22):
let myself daydream because that is where I create ideas
and it's always been that way. But I'll shame myself
for not working or wandering off, and it's like, no,
actually that is working. That is you know, it could
be a part of the if we start talking about
it that way.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, we've also we now live in a world where
being distracted as normal because constant our time has been
stolen from us by the phones in our hand and
the internet and all, like, we're not comfortable just sitting
alone sure. Yeah, And I think you know a lot
of us will practice meditation, and that is a very
(28:01):
like you're not sitting there dreaming during meditation, you're trying
to actually be devoid of thought. Yeah, and if you
do practice that, it probably checks a box on your
day where it's like, Okay, I've done that, like now
I'm allowed to be distracted by everything, and so looking
like you know, after having this conversation, and for anyone
(28:22):
who's listening, maybe this is like the wake up call
that it's like meditation isn't enough, Like you should find
thirty minutes a day to like sit undistracted, paying attention
to your thoughts and like letting your brain sort of
take you somewhere that you may not have been able
to go had you been distracted or had the television
(28:44):
on or even reading a book or whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
That's such a good way to say it, because that's
what she was saying when she was saying that we're
just not allowing ourselves the space, like we'll have an experience.
You and I are doing this podcast right now. In
the second we hang up, I'll move on to the
next thing. Instead of just sitting and going okay, well,
how did that feel you know what came up or whatever,
like using each moment and kind of talking to your
(29:08):
body or yourself because your body is still feeling stuff
or still registering certain experiences and that's why they can
come up when we finally slow down. I e. What
happened to me last week? But I think it was
kind of an interesting thing to hear that, because, yeah,
like it is productive to do. And I think that
the reason our creativity in this world has dropped so
(29:31):
drastically is because we're constantly filling our time. So whether
it's even like on your drive not listening to anything,
or like I think about when I go on walks,
that's often when I can kind of go into that
dayroom state, except I'll put an audiobook on or podcast. Yeah,
so it's like maybe I actually just need to like
walk and not actually do anything and let myself.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
You know what's funny too, I was I think it
was my girl mel It was a podcas Gus. I'll
listen to do not that long ago. Like our brains
we make like forty thousand decisions a day crazy and
you know we don't we're not We're not aware of
a lot of them. But even when you're on a walk,
you're going to decide where you're going to turn and
when you're going to turn around, and what you're going
(30:15):
to look at, and the sounds that you're going to
pay attention to. Like, your brain is making decisions for
you the whole time.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Right, So, I mean you mentioned moving your feet, breathing,
like all the things we never think about the fact
our brain.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, our brain is having to decide to do all
of that. Yeah, you know, if a car almost hits you,
it's like your brain has to protect you. Like there's
so many things that you know, our brain is distracted
doing its job. So in order to like really tap
into the depth of it and like the dream state
of it, you have to put the other shit down. Yeah,
(30:50):
because you're forcing work on it.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
It's so true. I think a good reframe for me
is to think about daydreaming as I'm doing something like
instead of I'm just off in la la land, you know,
or even to think about how important you know, going
to sleep and allowing my body to fully relax and
then wake up and write down what came up, because like,
(31:14):
as weird as that dream was last night, I wrote
it down and then it was so interesting because as
I was like journaling about it, all I wanted to
do was text my boyfriend and be like, I just
really love you. I feel like you should know that,
like I really do you know? And yeah, and I did,
and it was such like sweet moment that we had
this morning, and it all came from that weird dream
I had right that I just interpreted to be showing
(31:37):
me how happy I am in my life right now
and like how good that feels.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
You know, that's amazing?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Well, you know what's funny is like keep hearing we've
said the word dream a million times here, and it's
funny because the word dream has obviously a very positive
like connotation to it, but it's also there has been
a negative put it, like stop daydreaming, like or like
like that's just a that's just a pipe dream, Like
(32:04):
you're such a dreamer, Like you're never gonna like your
dreams aren't gonna come true. And it's like and so
I think, like because of those things, and I would
imagine that those are mostly thrust upon us by people
who have not allowed their dreams to come true and
they're bitter or whatever, like our circumstances didn't allow it.
(32:24):
They want us. You know, misery loves company. But I
think it's really important to remind ourselves of the beauty
of the dream. And no one gets anywhere in life
without dreaming of the possibility of something better. You have
to be able to see it to achieve it. And
whether it's in a subconscious state or a very conscious state,
(32:46):
or you're choosing to or you're forced to, like, you
have to like embrace dreams. You know. It's like nobody
just wakes up rich one day or successful or happy,
like you have to like paint that pure and figure
out what that looks like for you and go fucking
find it.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well, someone dreamed up all the wild things we have,
like AI, any of the Internet, any of it. Yes,
all of these things that we use all the time, podcast,
somebody dreamed that up. And so even if obviously not
all of your dreams come into fruition, it is kind
of crazy that we don't use these things this as
(33:25):
this like we don't use dreaming as a tool to
really be more in touch with ourselves, to know what
our brains are working through, to tap into our creativity
to put them into practice in your life even to
do the what I did this morning like that was good?
You know, it's a relationship building. It's like why not
use these things that we are doing and that that
(33:47):
are happening in our life as tools and to really
I think again, connect to yourself is probably one of
the biggest things that we miss or I know, it's
like one of the things I'm constantly just trying to
remind myself slow down, talk to yourself, like are you okay?
How do you feel like being more conscious versus just
like running through life and not embracing any of these
(34:10):
things that are happening.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, life is short. Keep dreaming like I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I don't know what else say right now?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Or so we're selling on the velvet Jede dot com
just kidding, mer was a pipe dream for our.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Not all of it. Just we will come back with
it all right. If you guys have any weird dreams
or reoccurring dreams, and if you've started to piece together
any sort of story about them, I would love to
hear about them. You can always email us at the
Edge at velvet sedge dot com, or you can hit
me up on Instagram. I'm at Velvet's Edge Chip.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I'm at Chipdoors. It's Chip d R S c H.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
And before I go into that actual ending, you can
also follow us on Instagram at the Velvet's Edge Podcast.
We will start We're actually going to start building a
page there so Velvet Edge Podcast. We'll have all sorts
of content for you guys. We're very excited about some
upcoming things, So go check that out and give that
a follow as well. And as you guys go into
the weekend, I really lost my place there. I was like,
(35:11):
we go, You're like, hell, is she gonna come back?
As you guys go into the weekend and you're living
on the edge, I hope you always remember too A
casual yeah, and go watch us on YouTube. Okay, bye,
Hey, ship Hi, Like we've been on the phone for
about an hour and a half and then we just
get on this right now and go, hey, oh my.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
God, such good actors. It's such improv. We've also already
done the podcast, but we're going to redo it better
in this time.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Yeah, hopefully better. We'll redo it so you guys can
hear it this time though, because we were just talking
it out. Wait, are you still taking improv classes?
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Speaking of Well, it was a comedy writing class. I'm
not right now because it was a four week program.
So I finished it and I just haven't. It's tough
like doing what I do, especially in the summer because
I'm trying. I travel a lot on the weekends and
there are usually classes on the weekend. If you miss too,
you fail, you're out.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
So yeah, they don't mess around.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
They don't mess around. They don't want shitty comics come
out of their school.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
I went to Charleston last week, which obviously you know,
and I think I told the listeners I was doing that,
and I just shut it down like I needed it.
I feel so good. I'm so proud of us, because
for me, that is very difficult to say that I'm
going to do something for myself and stick with it.
And I did, and I feel great and now I'm
ready to get back to work. But the whole point
of me even saying that was my boyfriend has this
(01:12):
group of friends and they do these like monthly comedy shows,
and so people come in and they do skits and
this month they did like a thirty minute improv section
at the end, and like six of the comedians got
up there and just did improv. I was crying. I
have so much respect for people who do that. The
stuff that comes out of their mouths, it's the best.
(01:34):
But I kept thinking of you, because I was thinking,
Chip would actually be so good at this if you
would allow yourself just to say whatever came to your mind.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
Well, I did do improv in La. I studied at
the Groundling Theater, which is a really famous one, like
h Kristen Wigg. A bunch of them were actual groundlings,
and I got through the second level before I moved
and it was really fun but also really scary, and
I like did it by my side. I didn't do
with any friends. It was just like something that I
was like, I feel like I need to do this. Yeah,
and the funny thing about it is like even the
(02:03):
best of them, like they bomb sometimes and that can
be really funny.
Speaker 1 (02:07):
Like that's almost funnier.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
Yeah, especially if like when you're really good at it
and you're bombing and you pull yourself out. It just
is and then the crowd you've got them in the
palm of your hand once you've done though. Yes, but
there's nothing worse than just a bad night of improv,
which you know happens probably more in smaller cities or
the talent pool smaller. But yeah, I went and saw.
(02:30):
I went with some friends to Boston, you know, several
weeks ago to see Amy Poehler and Tina Fay. Oh
my gosh, they're doing this like tour, and I purposely
didn't look. I didn't want to see any videos. I
didn't want to do any research because I was like,
what are they going to do? They're not like stand
up comedians. What's this show going to be. I'm not
going to give any spoilers because if you're a fan
of theirs and you can get to one of their shows,
(02:52):
fucking see it. It's amazing. They broke it down the
words like get to know each of them, so it
was like funny history of each of them, and but
there was an improv section where they took cues from
the audience, and I mean, they're two of the best
in the game. You know, they're good. They're so good.
And they came up from in Second City, which is
the one that's based in Chicago. Oh yeah, and so
(03:15):
they they I think that's where they met, and so
like they just know each other's humor so well at
this point that like it was just like, you know,
you'd forget what the prompt was and they would just
bring it back four minutes later, and you're like, holy shit, coming.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
Yes, I want to go to Second City so bad.
I think you remember, we had tickets this Christmas to
go because my boyfriend's family lives in Chicago, and we
both got the stomach bug and couldn't go. So we're
going to try to redo it this year. But I've
been dying to go there. I just love that kind
of stuff so much, and it's so many famous people
have come out of there, so I figure it has
to be really good. Yeah, yeah, well this PoCA the best, Okay, Well,
(03:57):
but then Second City is also that is second best,
second best. Yeah, you get it. Huh huh, get it.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
I like what you did there.
Speaker 1 (04:03):
Thank you. This podcast is not actually about improv or
a comedy, but about dreaming, which kind of could tie
in todays.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
I have to have a dream in order to do that.
Speaker 1 (04:13):
And you have to let yourself kind of daydream to
think of different improv things, so it could tie in.
But on Wednesday I was telling you, I interviewed Bonnie Buckner,
doctor Bonnie Buckner, and she just wrote this book called
The Secret Mind, Unlock the Power of your Dreams to
Transform your Life. She's actually the second dream expert that
I have had on the podcast, and so it was
(04:34):
really interesting for me to talk to her to see
what similarities both people said. And similarly to my last
podcast about dreams, both dream experts are constantly talking about
the fact that, like we're really missing out on a
complete healing modality, business starter, idea creator, healer. It just
(04:55):
all these ways that we can work with our dreams
and our lives that we're not doing because but we
just don't even really acknowledge that they're happening. Most of
the time, you know, or you wake up.
Speaker 2 (05:06):
We think they're not happening.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
You don't remember, or you wake up and you go, well,
that was weird, and then you move about your day.
And that was kind of what she and I talked
about because one of the main points for her in
writing this book was doing research about how much creativity
has dropped in our culture over the last many years.
And that's obviously like there's the creation of AI. It's
(05:29):
we're constantly scrolling. We're not allowing ourselves to take a
beat ever and like think about what we're feeling or
what an experience just taught us, or just to allow
our mind to kind of wander off in daydream, daydream
and night dream, you know. So it was interesting because
I told her, I don't really feel like I dreamed
that much all the time. Then I went to Charleston
(05:50):
last week, I shut down. I had the weirdest dreams
every single night, like so much, said that I would
wake up and have to tell my boyfriend about them,
like they were so odd. And then I had another
one last night, and she told me it's because you
finally like stopped and allowed your body to relax. It
knew it was like taking a breath or whatever, and
(06:12):
so all of that stuff could come to the surface.
And the way she says it is that like you're
processing through things that have been happening in your life,
patterns that have been coming up, but you haven't been
paying attention to it because you're just go, go, go,
go go.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah, it's your subconscious mind in action.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah. And we talked a little bit about the subconscious
because I had that same question, was just like, how
much is like that we're suppressing it? And she said
it's not as much as you're suppressing it as you're
just never stopping to even acknowledge that your body just
experienced something, like we have an experience and then we
move on to the next experience. And even I was
(06:51):
telling you like I had told her that example of
dreaming about something with an ex boyfriend of mine, and
I told her, like it was just weird because that
was such a vivid dream. And then I was having
dreams the week before, I thought, and I remember having
weird dreams, waking up going that was a weird dream.
I need to remember it. I was going to write
it down, but I got up to go make coffee,
(07:13):
and then by the time I had gone back to
my room to write it down, I had forgotten it.
And she says it's because I went into my executive brain. So, yeah,
you really do. Like the night I had the dream
about the ex, I told my current boyfriend. She was like, well,
your poor current boyfriend. But I was like, it wasn't
like that. It wasn't like a weird dream like that.
But yeah, I told him right away when I woke up,
(07:35):
and so I remembered it. It's just really bizarre to
me the whole Like when you were talking.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I struggle with remembering them. And I know that like
I'm supposed to. Like when you do, they say like,
the more you can write down what you do, remember
first thing in the morning, it trains your brain to
remember it more. Yeah, so it's a sort of self
fulfilling thing you have to put the work in to remember. Yeah,
but it always blows my mind when I do remember it,
because it's like when I wake up up and I
(08:01):
start to like tell myself, then it's like as if
I'm telling someone or writing it down myself. Like I
always hit a point where I'm like, wait a minute,
I don't like i'd remember it, but I don't really
remember it, like this is fucking weird. And then I
just stop. Yeah, I sadly don't remember my dreams as
often as I wish. And I think it's because I
(08:21):
like burn the candle at both ends, like I need
to probably have a bit of a reset to do that.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
I think you probably do. And I think it was
interesting because when you and I were talking before the podcast,
you were mentioning when you get massages that often you
will go into almost this dream like state, and it's
because you're actually like allowing your body to relax and
then your brain can wander off. And you're such a
creative person. It's like that actually is probably a very
(08:49):
important process for you, the way your brain works to
just let it drift off or dream out. And how
often we just really don't live our life in a
way that sets us up up to do that. You know.
That's kind of what this book was all about.
Speaker 2 (09:03):
Yeah, I mean it's you know me, we laugh about
it all the time. Like the thing I say the
most is what if? And it's like the funny thing
is is like I feel like my whole life is
a dream like it really Like I think about some
of the shit that I've like done, and I mean
I couldn't have dreamt for a better life really like
and some of the adventures I've gone on and people
I've met and things I've gotten to do, And but
(09:25):
I also have that like really quirky thing where it's
like I'll be sitting at a dinner table and somebody
else say something and next thing you know, I've said
the weirdest fucking thing that any of it said in
relation to that. And so I feel like my brain
is constantly and like some sort of there's a part
of it that's in a dream state, you know, which
it like definitely feeds my creativity.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
Well, it could probably tie astrology back into this too,
but I won't for you guys with that today. But
do you have a lot of Pisces in your chart?
So do I, And they say that Pisces we kind
of do live in a dreamlike state sometimes, Yeah, and
that's how we create though, that's the beauty of it. Yeah,
I was telling you I did some research that I
thought was really interesting because the more I talked to Bonnie,
(10:06):
the more I thought about the creativity piece and kind
of just like, wow, I wonder what business ideas I
could come up with, or that our culture could come
up with if we really allowed ourselves to go into
this dream like state. More so, I started researching. Did
you know that salesforce? You know, the company's sales force
that was created from a dream. Did you know that salesforce?
(10:38):
You know, the company's salesforce that was created from a dream.
Like the founder had a dream and woke up the
next morning and just started writing it down and then
created the business based on that dream.
Speaker 2 (10:49):
I mean, if that doesn't tell you to put things
into action, well, right, it's like a billion billion dollar company. Yeah. Yeah,
they like have like Metallica play their holiday party, you know,
like that the kind of money that company has.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Yeah. And then there was this other company that I found.
It's called Prophetic, and they're trying to create this headset
that you wear that helps you set intentions of what
you want to dream about. So like when you go
to sleep, you put on the headset and you kind
of set your intentions or whatever, and it helps your brain.
Don't ask me how this works, but it helps your
(11:24):
brain go into those different processes and then it like
monitors it for you too.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Yeah, so it's like a guided sleep kind of a
wondering I guess, huh, that's it.
Speaker 1 (11:35):
I don't know. I just think it's really interesting. I
wonder what the research would be because I've told you
about Do you remember when I told you about doing
my psilocybin trip with that shaman and he used Johns
Hopkins musical playlist to trigger certain things in your brain.
So while you're on your trip, you have like an
eyemask on and then you have headphones on that you're
(11:55):
listening to these certain sounds. And the way it worked
for me was like every song that would change would
trigger my brain into this almost like different movie of
my life. Like one song was one thing, and then
the next song I was like often to a different
journey with different people. It's really wild. So there has
to be a lot of like neuroscience around this as well.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
The funny thing about dreams and I guess the brain,
like our brain can only operate on the information that
it's received, right. Obviously, there are things that are inherent
that we are born. We have instincts, okay, but like
we can't process thoughts that have anything to do with
something that hasn't affected us in some way, right, because
(12:36):
otherwise we wouldn't even be able to think about it.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
I'm trying to get what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
I don't know, so, like, I mean, your experience and
what your brain knows is different than my brain, even
though they operate the same way. So like your brain
could only create a dream from your experience, yeah, not
from mine, right, So I mean they're like hard there
are like our internal hard drives that that are so
much stronger than any computer we could ever build. But
(13:02):
it's really interesting to think, like how that information has
been processed and put into your brain and it could
be from when you were two years old, it could
be from yesterday, and your brain is, you know, figuring
out how it fits with everything else. And so it's
really crazy when you think about the idea that like
(13:22):
we have these dreams that are out of our control,
but the ingredients for those dreams are things that we've
all experienced.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Well, and so much of it is your body communicating
with you. And that was really what Bonnie taught me.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Right, Oh that's cool.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
Yeah, I mean when we call it brained, but I
think it's you who your whole nervous system too. And again,
if we're moving through our lives so quickly but we're
not processing, that doesn't mean our bodies forget the experience.
It just means it's like almost stuck and it wasn't processed.
Let's say, so then you go into a dream and
(13:56):
you can process out what happened. But what's so wild
about dreams is they often take a face of exactly
what you're saying. An example that we've had in our lives, right,
Like I told her the story about my dream in
Charleston was that I had gotten back together with an
X that had cheated on me. I mean, I talk
about this all the time in this podcast. No, I
(14:18):
mean I wouldn't. It's just like it doesn't even I
don't even think about that relationship of any other terms.
Then that it helped me get on this healing path,
and I'm grateful for it now, you know, like I
don't even have bad feelings. I don't have any feelings
about it. And so in my dream, I got back
together with him, which was so bizarre and felt like
out of nowhere to me, and then he cheated on
(14:41):
me again. And so when I told her that story,
she goes, this is the perfect example, because she goes
to put your mind at rest and your current boyfriend's
mine at rest, this has nothing to do with your
ex Basically, what her interpretation was was that I was
trying to process through a pattern, and so he was
the face of that pattern that my body was trying
(15:03):
to show me something about. Either it could be repeating
patterns of betrayal or whatever, like some that's somewhere in
my life, maybe that I'm like worried about that, or
how I showed up in that relationship, Like am I
doing that in other places in my life? Like there
was all these different questions she was asking me, and
I think that's what her book does too, you know,
(15:24):
kind of highlights out these questions that you can ask yourself,
because I think we kind of take dreams sometimes at
face value and we go what in the world like that?
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Or we google them and just believe.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
That, yeah, and there's something probably more specific for you
for each dream. And so that's why the dream journals
and things like that are so important. You told me
you have reoccurring dreams.
Speaker 2 (15:45):
Well, I had, I've had. I was funny. It's funny
that I was hoping we would get to this, and
I was going to ask, like, did you all talk
about recurring dreams at all?
Speaker 1 (15:53):
We did, because I asked her, you know what about
when people have these weird dreams or like their teeth
fall out all this time, right, She said, it's probably
going to keep happening until you address what the dream
is trying to show you. Yeah, by asking yourself those
questions or whatever.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
I had two recurring dreams. They both happened when I
was kid, in my childhood, still living in my parents' house,
and but I still remember them vividly. The first one
was kind of scary. I lived in an old sort
of step style country home and I had a dormer
window in my bedroom, and in my dream, I was
sitting in the dormer bed the dormer window.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
Looking at the dormer window.
Speaker 2 (16:31):
It's like a it's got like a ledge in it,
that something you might put a yes, yeah, I mean
the rounder ones are called bay windows, so a dormer
window is like a smaller version of that, okay, And
they sort of stick out of the roof, you know,
you have the roof the window sticks up, so I would.
In my dream, I was sitting in it, and I
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lived down a long field road, like you couldn't really
see if the tree if it was in the summer,
you couldn't see a house from the room, and my
family was asleep. In the dream, it was like at night,
and I was the middle of the night, and this green,
this big old green Cadillac comes driving up my driveway
and people get out and they have pantyhose on their
heads to obscure themselves, and they poured gasoline around my
(17:14):
house and caught it on fire. So my sister and
I our bedrooms were on the second floor on one
side of the house, and then there was like a
one story part that the kitchen and stuff were on,
and then on the other side of the house was
my parents. So in my dream, I was like I
couldn't get to my parents to save them. All I
(17:36):
could get to was my sister because we had this
like we had this ladder that you could throw out
the second story window, and it was a fire safety
ladder that you could throw out the window and crawl down.
It was in a box, and as a kid, I
wanted to use it so bad, but I knew I
would get in trouble if I did, because I probably
wouldn't be able to get it back in the box. Okay,
So I think the dream was literally just my fucking
(17:58):
kid heart being like, how can I use that goddamn ladder?
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
And really right. So in the first the first time
I had the dream, my parents died because I couldn't
get to them. Okay, So when it recurred the next time,
I woke my sister up, got her down. Then I
crawled across the roof, woke my parents up, crawled, they
crawled back with me, and I saved them. And I
(18:22):
was able to save them every time. We never like
it never went beyond like us catching them. It was
just about saving my family and getting to use that
damn ladder. And to this day, I don't think it's
ever I bet it's still because I bet it's still
under my sister's bed, and maybe I'll use Maybe I'll
use it when I'm home this year.
Speaker 1 (18:42):
It's interesting that you even resolved it your parents dying
within dreams, though it was like your brain kept that
lesson going or that desire going. Yeah. I don't. I
wish I was better at interpreting what these could mean.
But I find it's so interesting that it changed from
one time to another, Like do you ever have that
(19:02):
thing where you wake up in the middle of a
dream and you're like I need to go back in
and finish shit, or like, wait, what was going to happen?
Speaker 2 (19:08):
I think that happens a lot of times too, when
people like fall in their dreams, they like will wake
up and they well, I you know, my interpretation of
it is one, it was just like the kid and
me wanted to use that.
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Yah.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
It's either that simple. Or two, there was something that
I needed to prove where I like could take care
of everyone. I could save my family, which is kind
of deep and dark for like the youngest member of
the family like to feel like they I needed to
carry that. But you know, and you know, I could
look at this a million ways too, now that I'm older,
(19:39):
and I'm like, I'm the one who flew the coop.
I'm very different from my family, Like maybe you know,
I politically am very different from my family. So it's
like I feel like I was put on earth to
help them evolve. I really do, like, because we just
think there's no reason why I should think so differently
than everyone else in my family. So I think like
(20:01):
that's part of it. You know, It's I could look
at it a million ways, or.
Speaker 1 (20:05):
It could have nothing to do with your family, and
it's just your brain processing through that you feel responsibility
for people you care for, or that you want to
rescue whatever it would look like like, or that in
heightened sane. And that's what she was saying about my
ex the things. It actually has nothing to do with.
Speaker 2 (20:23):
Him, right.
Speaker 1 (20:24):
The cirdest thing. I had another dream last night about
my very first boyfriend, and in my dream he was
coming back to my I mean it was like real
time he came to me though, and like was like
we should get back together or something. And at first
I was like open to it, and then I said, no,
I'm really in love with my boyfriend now. So I
(20:47):
was like, why am I dreaming of all of my
ex boyfriends? It's almost like what I interpreted that as
this morning was Wow. The interesting thing could be that
maybe my body and brain is just really excited and
happy at where I am right now, and all of
these other relationships were building blocks to get to this relationship.
(21:08):
You know, like I don't know if I would be
able to show up how I do show up in
this relationship if I hadn't had those experiences and then
evolved from that, you know, So I just chose to
look at it that way, like it was just the
reminder of where I've been, right then have gratitude for
where I am now.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Yeah, sometimes we need those reminders. My other one was
a lot lighter. It was Okay, you know, I lived
in like farmland, and my neighbor was a farmer, the
older neighbor, and they had barns that were like the
big tractors and combines could drive into, so they were
like taller on one side and then sloped down and
got you know, the roof like got pretty low to
(21:46):
the ground. Yeah, And I used to dream that I could.
I would run across the field and when I got
close to the barn, I would just take off and
like fly over the thing, and then I would end
up I don't know what those these things are called,
but like in a series of events where like the
ball rolls down the hill and hits a piece of
wood and the wood tips and it spills the water, like, okay, God,
(22:07):
did one of these No, it's like a whole series of.
Speaker 1 (22:10):
I know what you're talking about. Yes, that's a thing,
and then it all keeps the ball.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Rolling, yes, and I would I would end up in
one of those things where I was the thing that
was causing all the things to happen.
Speaker 1 (22:23):
Okay, I mean it's really.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
If anything tells you how fucking weird my brain is,
it's that.
Speaker 1 (22:30):
Wait, you have that dream over and over.
Speaker 2 (22:32):
Over and over again. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (22:34):
Yeah, and you're just the little ping that bad I
was the like.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
Ping and I like went through all these like random things.
Speaker 1 (22:40):
You guys can see what he's doing with his body
right now.
Speaker 2 (22:42):
Well, I'm sure on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
He's shaking it like he's like this little I don't
even know what, like a bowling pin. I got a
little knocked im.
Speaker 2 (22:52):
Like there's a ship. I'm gonna figure out the name
of that while we're doing this, because that's going to
drive me crazy. Because there's a band called okay Go
that made a music video that's really famous.
Speaker 1 (23:04):
And on the treadmills.
Speaker 2 (23:07):
Well they did that too.
Speaker 1 (23:09):
It's a very creative videos idea.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
They're they're amazing.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, I wonder what you're that dream means though, like
what what are you on the maze of life? Like
what is that?
Speaker 2 (23:21):
I have no idea? Oh, it's called a Rube Goldberg machine.
The videos called this Too Shall Pass and they had
to they had to do it in one shot. You know.
It's like and they camera had to follow the thing.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, that's really cute.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
It's like the dominoes fall over in the light, the
match lights and all.
Speaker 1 (23:38):
These Oh yeah, I know exactly what I just love.
Speaker 2 (23:41):
I was I was more. I guess I would be
more like my character in that dream would have been
more like the camera, like I was following the whole thing.
But what's wild is that my kid brain thought of
all of that.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
I was gonna ask you, like if you remembered a
last dream, But I think this one's a really interesting
one to think about with this because we were talking
about the Salesforce thing, for example. He dreamed that up.
So if you're taking this dream and you would think
about if there's a business idea that could come from that,
you know what I'm saying, like, Yeah, what do you
think your brain is trying to show you or work
(24:23):
out with those kind of thoughts?
Speaker 2 (24:25):
I mean that kind of thought, Like, you know, obviously
I was young when that happened, so I wouldn't have
been thinking about business. But like, if I had to
translate it from an adult perspective, it is probably that
like I was on a quest for adventure, you know,
and like recognizing that one thing does lead to another
(24:46):
and or accepting that one thing leads to another.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
It's all connected and.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
That everything is connected. But yeah, I mean I've had
this isn't like a sleep dream but and we talked
about this a little bit before we started recording. But
I get a lot massages, and I'm able to like
the only time that I ever remember my body going
into the state is during massages, where I'm like fully
aware of the massage, I'm feeling it. I'm like able
(25:11):
to follow it. But I'm also asleep, kind of asleep.
And that's when I have business or creative ideas, Like
I'll think of movie plots and like get very detailed
into it because I'm in a position where, like I
can't move, i can't be distracted by my phone, Like
I I'm all I'm there with are my thoughts and
(25:32):
so I could see how like and it does feel
like a dream state too. It's like I don't lay
down being like I'm gonna think of I'm going to
think of a movie, and like my brain just goes
somewhere and I'm like able to follow it and sort
of guide it so I could see how that would happen.
You know what, if I were fully asleep. The problem
is is I've probably done that and I wake up
(25:53):
and don't remember.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
Well, that's what I was gonna say is after you
get massages, you really should try to pick up your
phone without I do write, and then write it down
immediately and then go back later and maybe even try
to piece things together. But one of the things randomly
that I've been thinking about recently, and I kind of
thought about this as I was having downtime last week,
was I don't really allow myself at this time of
(26:17):
my life to sit in daydream. And I just remember
being in my twenties, and obviously that was when I
was trying to build a career and hearing makeup and styling,
and so I had a lot more time because you know,
I was like waiting tables and doing things like that,
like what, didn't have a demanding job yet. And I
think now I have such little free time or I
(26:39):
constantly am filling my schedule with stuff, and I don't
really allow myself the time to day dream. Well, I
was thinking about it because we've been talking about kind
of just re engaging in the creativity and also like
even social media, Like I'm really wanting to kind of
reframe how I use it. And I used to love
it because I would really put a lot of creativity
too into it was fun. It was like a creative
(27:01):
outlet for me. And I want to get back to
that because that was when I really enjoyed it. But
I think has said. I was sitting there last week
thinking I feel like I'm wasting time because I was
kind of just like off in a little daydream. And
then I thought to myself, no, this is actually I
need to like almost a lot, like an hour or
however long. I decide a week to sit and just
(27:22):
let myself daydream because that is where I create ideas
and it's always been that way. But I'll shame myself
for not working or wandering off, and it's like, no,
actually that is working. That is you know, it could
be a part of the if we start talking about
it that way.
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Well, we've also we now live in a world where
being distracted as normal because constant our time has been
stolen from us by the phones in our hand and
the internet and all, like, we're not comfortable just sitting
alone sure. Yeah, And I think you know a lot
of us will practice meditation, and that is a very
(28:01):
like you're not sitting there dreaming during meditation, you're trying
to actually be devoid of thought. Yeah, and if you
do practice that, it probably checks a box on your
day where it's like, Okay, I've done that, like now
I'm allowed to be distracted by everything, and so looking
like you know, after having this conversation, and for anyone
(28:22):
who's listening, maybe this is like the wake up call
that it's like meditation isn't enough, Like you should find
thirty minutes a day to like sit undistracted, paying attention
to your thoughts and like letting your brain sort of
take you somewhere that you may not have been able
to go had you been distracted or had the television
(28:44):
on or even reading a book or whatever.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
That's such a good way to say it, because that's
what she was saying when she was saying that we're
just not allowing ourselves the space, like we'll have an experience.
You and I are doing this podcast right now. In
the second we hang up, I'll move on to the
next thing. Instead of just sitting and going okay, well,
how did that feel you know what came up or whatever,
like using each moment and kind of talking to your
(29:08):
body or yourself because your body is still feeling stuff
or still registering certain experiences and that's why they can
come up when we finally slow down. I e. What
happened to me last week? But I think it was
kind of an interesting thing to hear that, because, yeah,
like it is productive to do. And I think that
the reason our creativity in this world has dropped so
(29:31):
drastically is because we're constantly filling our time. So whether
it's even like on your drive not listening to anything,
or like I think about when I go on walks,
that's often when I can kind of go into that
dayroom state, except I'll put an audiobook on or podcast. Yeah,
so it's like maybe I actually just need to like
walk and not actually do anything and let myself.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
You know what's funny too, I was I think it
was my girl mel It was a podcas Gus. I'll
listen to do not that long ago. Like our brains
we make like forty thousand decisions a day crazy and
you know we don't we're not We're not aware of
a lot of them. But even when you're on a walk,
you're going to decide where you're going to turn and
when you're going to turn around, and what you're going
(30:15):
to look at, and the sounds that you're going to
pay attention to. Like, your brain is making decisions for
you the whole time.
Speaker 1 (30:23):
Right, So, I mean you mentioned moving your feet, breathing,
like all the things we never think about the fact
our brain.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah, our brain is having to decide to do all
of that. Yeah, you know, if a car almost hits you,
it's like your brain has to protect you. Like there's
so many things that you know, our brain is distracted
doing its job. So in order to like really tap
into the depth of it and like the dream state
of it, you have to put the other shit down. Yeah,
(30:50):
because you're forcing work on it.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
It's so true. I think a good reframe for me
is to think about daydreaming as I'm doing something like
instead of I'm just off in la la land, you know,
or even to think about how important you know, going
to sleep and allowing my body to fully relax and
then wake up and write down what came up, because like,
(31:14):
as weird as that dream was last night, I wrote
it down and then it was so interesting because as
I was like journaling about it, all I wanted to
do was text my boyfriend and be like, I just
really love you. I feel like you should know that,
like I really do you know? And yeah, and I did,
and it was such like sweet moment that we had
this morning, and it all came from that weird dream
I had right that I just interpreted to be showing
(31:37):
me how happy I am in my life right now
and like how good that feels.
Speaker 2 (31:40):
You know, that's amazing?
Speaker 1 (31:41):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
Well, you know what's funny is like keep hearing we've
said the word dream a million times here, and it's
funny because the word dream has obviously a very positive
like connotation to it, but it's also there has been
a negative put it, like stop daydreaming, like or like
like that's just a that's just a pipe dream, Like
(32:04):
you're such a dreamer, Like you're never gonna like your
dreams aren't gonna come true. And it's like and so
I think, like because of those things, and I would
imagine that those are mostly thrust upon us by people
who have not allowed their dreams to come true and
they're bitter or whatever, like our circumstances didn't allow it.
(32:24):
They want us. You know, misery loves company. But I
think it's really important to remind ourselves of the beauty
of the dream. And no one gets anywhere in life
without dreaming of the possibility of something better. You have
to be able to see it to achieve it. And
whether it's in a subconscious state or a very conscious state,
(32:46):
or you're choosing to or you're forced to, like, you
have to like embrace dreams. You know. It's like nobody
just wakes up rich one day or successful or happy,
like you have to like paint that pure and figure
out what that looks like for you and go fucking
find it.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Well, someone dreamed up all the wild things we have,
like AI, any of the Internet, any of it. Yes,
all of these things that we use all the time, podcast,
somebody dreamed that up. And so even if obviously not
all of your dreams come into fruition, it is kind
of crazy that we don't use these things this as
(33:25):
this like we don't use dreaming as a tool to
really be more in touch with ourselves, to know what
our brains are working through, to tap into our creativity
to put them into practice in your life even to
do the what I did this morning like that was good?
You know, it's a relationship building. It's like why not
use these things that we are doing and that that
(33:47):
are happening in our life as tools and to really
I think again, connect to yourself is probably one of
the biggest things that we miss or I know, it's
like one of the things I'm constantly just trying to
remind myself slow down, talk to yourself, like are you okay?
How do you feel like being more conscious versus just
like running through life and not embracing any of these
(34:10):
things that are happening.
Speaker 2 (34:11):
Yeah, life is short. Keep dreaming like I don't.
Speaker 1 (34:16):
I don't know what else say right now?
Speaker 2 (34:18):
Or so we're selling on the velvet Jede dot com
just kidding, mer was a pipe dream for our.
Speaker 1 (34:26):
Not all of it. Just we will come back with
it all right. If you guys have any weird dreams
or reoccurring dreams, and if you've started to piece together
any sort of story about them, I would love to
hear about them. You can always email us at the
Edge at velvet sedge dot com, or you can hit
me up on Instagram. I'm at Velvet's Edge Chip.
Speaker 2 (34:44):
I'm at Chipdoors. It's Chip d R S c H.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
And before I go into that actual ending, you can
also follow us on Instagram at the Velvet's Edge Podcast.
We will start We're actually going to start building a
page there so Velvet Edge Podcast. We'll have all sorts
of content for you guys. We're very excited about some
upcoming things, So go check that out and give that
a follow as well. And as you guys go into
the weekend, I really lost my place there. I was like,
(35:11):
we go, You're like, hell, is she gonna come back?
As you guys go into the weekend and you're living
on the edge, I hope you always remember too A
casual yeah, and go watch us on YouTube. Okay, bye,
Host
Kelly Henderson
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