March 14, 2025 • 54 mins
This week, Kelly clues Chip in on her convo with root cause health expert and plant medicine practitioner Christy Nault — and things get weird in the best way. From parasite cleanses to coffee enemas (Chip’s literal nightmare?), they dive into the wildest health trends they’ve tried or refuse to try. Plus, what would your body say if it could text you? They also get real about ignoring health red flags, what they wish doctors would say, and whether they’d rather give up coffee or alcohol for a year (spoiler: not an easy choice). If you’ve ever wondered if everyone has parasites or if microdosing mushrooms is just a fancy way to vibe through Trader Joe’s, this one’s for you.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
I love that you just changed your glasses, Like, are
these your podcasts?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, well, you know what's funny is these are my
glasses that are progressive. So when I'm sitting in my computer,
I kind of have to like look up to make
it uh huh, and that feels weird. So I have
just readers for my computer. Okay. The readers make my
eyes look really big, like bugging, So these are cuter.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
So since we're on video for this podcast, you were like,
I don't want that. You know that I think is
weird and you can probably educate me a little bit
on this. And it's very in line with our topic
today because it's health. But I'm forty two, you're forty
nine nine. Okay, So I've worn glasses in contact since
I think I was twelve or thirteen. Like, I'm pretty blind,
(00:48):
but I'm near sighted, so I can see close, but
I can't see far away if I don't have my
contacts in. And I swear it's been so weird because
the last I would say, it's about a year and
a half, two years. I can't barely wear my glasses
because it makes me so dizzy when I'm trying to
read stuff. Like close up, because I think I'm getting
the after you turn forty and you're losing your whatever vision.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It is that very well could be. I mean I
had perfect vision until I was forty, Like.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I was something happens at forty.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, twenty twenty is obviously perfect vision. I had better
than twenty twenty. It was like twenty twenty two, like
whatever the farther the like what do you call it?
The near sighted?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Short near sided, So it's the opposite of what you
would think, like near sided you can see close, but
you can't see far away. That's what I am. Far
sided is you can see far away but not close.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So my far number exceeded twenty. I can read a
sign from really far away. It's crazy, but I after
I turned forty, it was like I noticed I'd be
because we were always at bars and restaurants, like the
menu was getting further and first, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It's weird. I feel like I've watched my parents do
this for so many years. But you hold the phone away,
you like, hold whatever the menu further away. I feel
like I'm like looking down and squinting almost and it's
so confusing, and I just don't really wear my glasses anymore, ever,
because it makes my brain like, I don't know, it
starts to feel dizzy.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Like I said, well, what happens when you go to
a show and you want to like, if you're standing
in front of house at a Dirk show, is he
blurry if you don't have a.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, I literally always have contacts in. That's it. Oh oh,
but like at night and stuff or when I was
just around my house, I used to wear my glasses
all the time. So I guess I'm gonna have to
go in. This is so interesting for our listeners, I'm sure,
but I'm hoping that some of you can relate because
this is just very I'm like, oh my god, there's
these weird things that happen with age that none of
(02:42):
us can avoid. And everyone always told me that when
you turn forty it really shifted, and I was like, well,
I already have bad visions, so I might not notice
it as much, but it's such a different type of
weird vision stuff, and almost like it takes me a
second to focus on stuff. So yeah, from far away,
(03:02):
like it's like I'm fine, I'm actually better just having
my contacts in and reading far away. And then when
I have my contacts in. I do have to hold
my phone a little further. Sometimes it's blurry for a second.
It takes me a second to focus. So I went
to the eye doctor about it, and they were like, no,
it's fine. You probably have a couple more years of this,
Like maybe it's still the in between.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, I probably want to don't. I don't know the
answer to this question. But do they make a progressive.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Contact contact line. I don't know. I actually don't know
the answer to that either.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't know how that would work.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The contacts don't bother me as much.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That it's just the est. Never touch my eyeball, I no.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Everyone says that I'd literally do it. I don't even
look like it's like it's nothing. I'm like, I could
have been doing it for so long though, you'd.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Have to remove my eyeball to get it out. Well.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I always say, if I ever wanted to make a
man week in the knees, I know exactly how to
do it because of my job. And when I'm putting
makeup on men's faces anywhere near their eye, I mean,
you would think I'm literally stabbing them to death. They
are like so squirmy, they're crying, and it's hilarious to
me because I'm like, we do this every day. We're
putting on mascara. They sticking my fingers in my eyes,
(04:12):
and the men's like they'll they'll dip their head backwards,
and yeah, I'm just like I could always I would
know how to take a man down real fast.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I used to be really jealous of those kids that
could flip their eyelids.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
That's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
But like I was, I don't know, I've actually never the.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Bravest thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And what if it got stuck.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I mean, that's what I feel like would happen if
I tried it, And then I'd be in the emergency
room and be too scared to let someone touch it
to unflip it, and it would.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Just that sounds like a tragedy. Yes, well, we are
digressing a little at this point. But the topic today.
I told you on Wednesday, I spoke with a woman
who I'm obsessed with. Now we've become friends and I
really just love her story. So my t her name's Christy
k Now and she's a rude cause health practitioner and
plant medicine experts. So I mean, if you had map
(05:00):
out someone that you thought I would be interested in,
is she not? Probably at the.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Time nail on the head.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah. Of the stuff that I talk about, I am
so big on why are we not looking at root causes?
It drives me crazy. I hate the hole. Let's just
throw a pill at something as the resolution. And I
find myself still doing that in a lot of ways
in life because we have to move at such a
fast pace and the expectations of our culture are so
(05:28):
high that if you don't do that kind of thing,
I mean, it just takes a lot of work, I
guess would be the thing. It's like, it takes a
conscious effort to really get to what's going on actually
in your body. How do I like make my body
the healthiest that it can be, just to maintain like
on a normal basis, and then not take the easy route,
(05:48):
you know, like the quick thing, the take the tile
and all of you have a headache, instead of looking
at why do you have a headache though?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Why I have a headache?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean, but if you think about it, like plaque
building up, if you never brush your teeth at a
certain point, like the plight gets so bad it eats
away at the foundation. And I think that like is
a metaphor kind of just for like even how our
world is built right now. I mean, you look at
what's changing politically in America right now, and it's there's
so many just systems and it feels like and I'm
(06:18):
not trying to get political here, I'm just saying, like,
when you look at like trying to change something that's
this big and has this many moving levers, it is
really really scary. And who knows, like some of these
might actually be the solutions, And everyone that listens probably
knows that. I don't believe that, but yeah, you know,
you really have to get under the hood sometimes to
(06:39):
like fix things. And I think, like when it comes
to health, and I've said it before about ozempic, it's
crazy to me that it is not a covered drug
because I do think it goes straight to some of
the root causes of a lot of other illnesses, and
the fact that you know, you can get a pain pill,
but you can't get a pill that helps you lose
weight or a shot that helps you.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And there's something weird there because.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You're too heavy on your bones or whatever. It just
doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, what Christy and I talked about was and this
is again, you know, we really do try not to
be political here. I think it's hard sometimes not to
have some sort of opinion, But as an overall conversation,
I think most people would agree this does feel like
a time where we're looking at systems, like you said,
and the medical industry is a huge one that people
(07:25):
are starting to go, Wait a second, I trusted you,
and I thought I could walk into the doctor's office
and you would have my best interest at heart. And
now I'm finding out that you just are making money
off of this and it's not necessarily the thing that's
the best for me, or you're not looking into it
any further because you're lazy and don't care, or you're
not set up that way in your office. Like there's
(07:46):
all in doctor's defense, there are all these parameters on
them as well, And so I think it's just the
conversation has entered the chat or whatever it's begun, and
we are starting to ask more questions. And the biggest
thing that Christy and I talked about was just advocating
for yourself and knowing like trusting your own intuition about hey,
(08:07):
there's something not right here, and not just taking what
someone else says as fact without digging deeper or looking
into the root causes or retracing your steps whatever it is,
you know, like really looking into the more full picture,
the holistic approach and the western medicine whatever it is,
but both sides of it, and not just going well,
(08:30):
the doctor said, or you know, my blood work was
fine based on all of these blood works that they're
comparing it to, which is what she told me. Was like, yeah,
but eighty percent of our society or whatever is very
unhealthy and that's the labs they're comparing it to. So
normal do we want to be normal?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So anyway, that's that's a really wild point that I'd
never thought. I mean, statistically, it makes it really wild.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I know, when when doctors say, well, that's normal, you
want to say, oh, that means that's healthy, but normal
in America. I don't want to be normal in America
right now health wise, like I would not want to
be and I would not want to be compared. I
don't want my stats to be compared on that because
I don't believe that we are a healthy society.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
We talked about that, and then you and I were like,
let's come up with some questions to talk about of
different just health aspects. The other thing that Christy does
is plant medicine, and I told you before the podcast
she started a company called microflow, which is microdosing. It
does have some psilocybin and and it's a bunch of
other mushroom and like supplement extract things that I'm going
(09:38):
to butcher, so go check out microslow dot com for
more information. But we were talking a little bit about
the micro dosing and I want to get into this later,
but just in general working with plant medicine. She had
a lot of things to say about that. She's a
plant medicine expert. I've had my own experiences that that
I've talked about on the podcast. I think it's super
helpful or it was for me, and so I'm really
(09:59):
glad that people are starting to talk about it. So
we are also going to talk about that. But the
first thing I wanted to ask you and you said,
you have a funny story. So I've kind of been
on pins and needles to hear this, but I was like,
I try so many things, and I'm so open with health,
with mental health, like, I'll pretty much try anything, Like
I don't really find myself to be that scared of
(10:21):
much in those capacities. And so I'm curious, is there
anything that you've tried, because maybe my stories are not
I don't even know where to start, But is there
anything that you tried that you would be like that
was a really weird health trend that I tried or
thought this is going to be the new thing that
really kind of backfired for you.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I don't know if it backfired, but there was a
time when I was living in Los Angeles that it
was colonics got to be really done that. And for
those of you who don't know what a colonic is,
it's basically when you have warm water shot up your
butthole and it cleans out way into your intestines.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Well, I mean through a tube that's all through a tube.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
That's inserted in your bubble, and once you say I
can't take anymore, you feel you basically you get the
sensation that you feel like you're gonna poop your pants.
They turn off the flow and it reverses and you
see your excrement like come through this machine that is backlit,
and the woman is sitting there like rubbing your belly
or woman the technician mine happened to be a woman,
(11:27):
like massaging your intestines to push stuff out, and she's like, oh,
there's those big bubbles are sugar, those those little ones
are salt. I could be mixing them up. It was
all mortifying, but I wanted to do it because I
had read that the human intestines are so long and
there's a lot of build up in them that they
can carry twenty six pounds of waste. So I was like,
(11:50):
you know, I want to try this. So I'd been
doing them just like locally in Los Angeles and I
found out about this spa out in like Palm Springs
and I can't remember it's called at this point, but
my friend Bonnie and I went and it was like
not cheap.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Wait and was it the we Care Spa?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yes, it's cold.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Oh my god, I've been there, and that's what I
was going to bring up as well.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
That is so funny. Yeah, I went went to we
Care Spa.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Is an amazing place. Though yes it's out in the desert.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's beauty in the desert. It's really beautiful, it's peaceful,
it's not cheap, but you get like a couple of
calonics a day. All you eat is soup and pills.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well, you go liquid, you go completely liquid.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And on the last night, Bonnie was like, I can't
do this anymore, let's go to McDonald's. No, okay, I
went to McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
We got to clue the listeners in because wait, did
you guys do a full weekend?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Okay, so I also did this, but like literally with
a friend from here, flew out to California, it to
La drove to the desert for this. So it was
like an investment. But I was in this phase of
like I really want to like detox and figure out
how to be healthy, Like I was really trying that.
I think this was before I did gluten free dairy free,
(13:10):
but I just knew something wasn't necessarily like in line
with my body and with my diet, and I kept
so starting to have more reactions to food. So I
was like, okay, I'm just going to start, like, go
go to this place, clean out, start fresh. Because a
lot of also, like food places tell you for like
to do the elimination diet. To see what it is
(13:30):
that you're you know, allergic to. So it was kind
of a part of that, but I did not realize
how intense it was going to be. You're not drinking,
you're not doing any of those kind of things. But
it's not even just that. It's that you're not You
don't drink coffee, you don't drink teas. I mean you
drink teas that are non caffeinated, but they cut all caffeine.
They cut all food, like hard solid food, so everything
(13:55):
is like you would have maybe like one soup a day,
but it's all yeah, like puree and everything else was
like liquid based keys, juices and that one soup a
day because they're really trying to set your body up
to detox itself, which Christy talks a lot about that
people jump into the detox step before doing some other
(14:17):
things and so your body might not even be able
to like eliminate properly, which is what happened to me,
and hard got up there. So when I went to go,
because you've been also the other pieces you go get klonics,
was it once a day or twice a day? I
feel a day, I think so too. So it's also
a klonic sends your body into detox because it pulls
(14:38):
so much out of you. So the elimination of food
or whatever. I've never really done well with that because
I think my blood sugar drops too low. But then
the elimination of food the kolonic and then cutting coffee
like fast like that, I don't think I realized it
or something, or maybe I just didn't realize what that
would do to me. I went into full, like hard
(15:00):
core detox. I felt like I had the flu. I
couldn't get out of bed for three days. It was
like having the worst hangover of my life.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Do you remember when it was? What year it was.
I just found my reservation in my old email.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I was probably like twenty seventeen. Maybe okay, I went sixteen,
twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I went May seventeenth through nineteenth. Two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh my gosh, that's wild.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
They still had tvcrs in the room. It's probably been updated.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I maybe I don't even remember because I was in
survival mode. But my problem with my kolonic was like
I wasn't getting anything out, and she said, I had
so much gas built up. This is great for our listeners. Yeah,
I forget that people are listening to this and not
just me and you, but like it can get so
like built up in there, it almost becomes impacted. And
(15:49):
so I wasn't having the proper releases, and so while
my body's going into detox, it was just cycling through
the toxins in my body, if that makes sense, until
I started puking. So anyway, we're selling we Care spots
so big, I think you could have a different experience.
It's just like those kind of things. I would say.
(16:10):
Christy helped me a lot too with just realizing this,
Like you can't really go from zero to one hundred
and not think that our body is going to be impacted.
And I don't think that most people realize. Like the
coffee thing. For me, I did not realize how addicted
my body was to caffeine at that point. So to
cut it hardcore like that sends you into massive withdrawal.
(16:31):
Like even now, I know if I just stopped drinking coffee,
I hate to admit this about myself, but it would
give me like migrains for at least a week before
I got out of it. So you almost have to
get worse before you can get better if that makes sense.
And we're so addicted as a society to sugar, Like
you can say, I don't eat a lot of sugar.
Did you know corn turns to sugar in your body,
(16:52):
so like if you eat chips, you're eating sugar essentially.
Like there's so much we don't know about the toxins
were putting in our body at all time that when
you go to a place like that and it like
jolts you, you kind of go, oh my gosh, like
I'm not as healthy as I thought I was.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I guess, yeah, I love that that we ended up
going to the same place.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh my god, wait, so did you get sick at all?
Or you just refined? See that's something I'm just so sensitive.
But then to go straight to McDonald's completely feats the purpose.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh I know, but it's still I find it humorous.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I mean, I will say the day we left, we
went straight to a Starbucks and I got a coffee
and then immediately I felt better. So that was like,
this is bad. I just after that, I tried to
cut back a lot, but the quitting, you know, just
cold turkey like that. I'll never do that again. Yeah,
I would wean myself off slowly. When you feel sick,
(17:50):
do you go address it? Or if you notice something
reoccurring and you do you address it or let it linger.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm one of those people that we'll let something linger
for a little while because I feel like our bodies
do weird things all the time that are kind of nothing.
But when something feels truly off, I usually will go
get it checked out. But do you ever have like
those Like you'll just get like a shooting pain out
of nowhere in your stomach and you're like, oh my god,
(18:19):
it like makes you bend over, and then you're like,
what was that gas? It's probably just gas?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, I don't think we realize those kind of thing
as our body is processing through things. I mean, Christy
talks about that a lot too, because she was saying
that our livers they can recover on their own so much.
But if we're constantly putting more and more toxins in
that it can't filter through. It gets really unhealthy and
becomes a place that's like really easy to host things
like parasites, and then they're drawn to it. So then
(18:47):
the process becomes a lot bigger of eliminating that. But
then if you can get your liver to a place
where it's not having a process through so many things.
It can actually like reheal, you know, like or it
can develop back whatever's been broken. If that makes sense.
I don't know if I'm making sense saying that, But
our bodies are their own best healers, but you do
(19:10):
have to like set up the environment for them to heal,
like sleeping that yea, yeah, that's my biggest thing is
the sleep. And I say, I say, I hate they're
in a pillot things and blah blah blah blah. That
is one area where I really I get so desperate
that I'm like, oh, what do I need to do
just to like go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
You can have withdrawals from sleep aids too, right, you can?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, they I feel like they said, what's the what's
the really big one? Ambient? H Yeah, that it's bad
to just like cold turkey stop that.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah. Ambien also makes you do really funny things.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I know, especially if you like fight the ambient.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, we have a friend who did that once and
then texted this random person like there's all these embarrassing
stories I've heard from ambient. No, I don't take ambient
but I have There's been a sit a period of
my life where I did I did have an ambient
prescription and I got off that. But it's tough because
on one hand, you're like, I need to sleep, and
I know that's how my body recovers from all these things.
(20:11):
And also like I have this tomorrow I need, you know,
like I'll be like, oh, I got a podcast tomorrow.
My brain will be dead if I don't sleep, which
then only makes me stay up longer. And so I
know there is a root cause I need to address there.
And that's actually part of like what our podcast, my
podcast with Christy kind of brought back to the surface
of my life because I've been just operating in let
(20:32):
me deal with the symptoms because I have so much
on my plate that I need to deal with and
I need to sleep. But now I'm like kind of
been a better place where I can be like, Okay,
what is this, Like why is my nervous system here?
Still like I need to to kind of address some
of the underlying things. I've always been a hard it's
been hard for me to sleep, but like there's more
to it, I think in the last couple of years
(20:54):
than I need to probably address.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I'm luckily I don't have a problem sleeping.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I just oh, I know. You go to sleep and
then you go like hard and fast. I feel like
there's two types of people in this world, and I
always date the other type, like the type that can
just lay down, fall right asleep and then they're out
for the full night. And I'm over here just tossing
and turning, and I'll wake up a million times in
(21:22):
the night. Like, don't it's hard for me to have
a you know, a deep sleep.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I've been measuring my sleep because I got to see paps.
I'm sleeping even better. And I use an app called
shut eye and it like maps your sleeping. Yeah, and
the deep sleep is obviously what you where you want
to spend the at least half of your night. And
I'm real good at that.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You're like, I'm there all night.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I'm real good.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I feel like if some people could be professional sleepers,
they would really nail that job. I am not one
of them. Do you want to talk a little bit
about the mushroom thing, because I feel like you had
some questions about it. Do you want to talk a
(22:05):
little bit about the mushroom thing? Because I feel like
you had some questions about it.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, I mean it's funny. So Kelly sent me a
list of topics today and I was walking my dogs
this morning, and you know, I'm aging. So the things
that I'm thinking about right now are different, Like I'm
like looking at life a little differently now. It's like
I'll be fifty this year, which means in twenty years
i'll be seventy. That doesn't seem that long. And I
(22:32):
don't mean it this in a negative way, but it's
like a diminishing returns kind of thing. So it's like
anything that I've sort of had the idea of, like
I want to do this, I have so much less
time to do it now. Like so anything that I've
just put a pin in, I'm like, I need to
like really figure out what the things on my deathbed
(22:52):
are going to be that I regret not trying. I mean,
I started a stand up comedy class last Sunday.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Did you really? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, I mean I haven't told any but the only
person that knows is Allison is because she signed up
for two but next month. I've never had the aspirations
to be a stand up comic, and I probably will
never even try. It's more about like the writing and
being creative, okay, and just sort of understanding how to
craft a joke was really kind of what I wanted
to understand more.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Wait, but I have to do like a stand up show.
I think, so can I come?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So? I think so? Yeah, I think so, I'll let
you know. Wait, okay, I mean once we I know,
I will tell everybody if there's an answers enough. But
I was thinking, like, as I was walking the dogs
this morning, I was like, you know, I'm really fortunate.
I work in a job that I love. I'm around
creative people. I get to be creative in my job.
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But I've never been a creator, even though I think
I have it in my bones, and which is what
drew me to this job, because you know, I was
I studied acting in college, and they just drill it
into your head like you're never going to make any money,
You're going to be oh blah blah blah. I knew
that I had a crazy to be a creator of
some sort, and I mentioned on the podcast a few
weeks ago that like, I've got a goal of writing
(24:04):
a script this year, and so I was thinking this
morning like about your hero trip that you did, and
I was just like, maybe I just need to go
and do that. Like, clearly there is something bubbling in
me that I need to give myself the permission to
like embrace that side of me. Because I ran into
a drummer for one of our artists. This is probably
(24:26):
last year, and he told me he had done a
big I don't think he'd ever done mushrooms before, and
he went and did like a big hero journey trip
and he came out of it an artist. He stopped drumming.
He's an incredible tattoo artist and he had never drawn before.
(24:47):
What Yeah, locks, It unlocked something in him that he
did not know existed. And so I was thinking about
both you and him this morning, and I'm like, because
I know I have it in me, it's I don't
give myself the permission to be that. And so I'm like, look,
I could I could go do this and find out
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that maybe that's not the path I'm supposed to you know,
maybe I'm supposed to be a vet. I don't know,
but I kind of feel like I need to do
something like that just to shake myself well.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
And also, if you're having like these nudges or these
intuitive hits about it, there is something there.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Spend questions and I'm like, what the fuck? I was like, yeah,
I'm like this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
So I mean what Christy and I talked about, and
I said a similar thing because I did if for
any listener who has not heard me talk about this,
I did what he what Chip is referring to as
a big hero dose, and Christy and I talked about
that as well, where I did like a ceremony with
a shaman and then I did a big dose of
psilocybin and it takes you on about a four hour trip,
(25:55):
and that talked about this on Wednesday. I genuinely was tripping,
like I had to get up to pe at one
point he had to help me walk to the bathroom.
And then when I got in the bathroom, the walls
weremoving and I've never done that, like I've never been
shipping like that, so it was in a very I
started laughing. I remember sitting on the toilet and just
dying laughing because the walls were like all over the
(26:16):
place and a very psychedelic, like what you would think
a psychedelic journey would look like. But that wasn't my
experience during my actual journey. I guess like he's done
all this research with Johns Hopkins, and he has a
playlist that you listen to that triggers your brain and
to go into certain parts of your subconscious. And the
way mine went was actually, you know what, I'm hesitant
(26:39):
to always say how mine went, because it goes different
for every person that I know, and so I don't
ever want to impose what happened with me onto others. No,
it's very much like your body knows what it needs,
and mine got exactly what it needed, and I had
a big release and then I had a big joyous
part of the ceremony or journey or whatever you want
(27:00):
to say. But it's very much like watching a movie
of my life, like I was going through these different journeys,
and each time this song would change, it was like
different and different people would just enter. And so it's
like genuinely working with your subconscious, which is what I
think is so cool because ninety five percent of our
whole brain is functioning from our subconscious and we don't
(27:22):
ever talk about that. Like things, yeah, and the things
that are driving us on the day to day, the reaction.
Do you have the desires? You have all of that,
It's somewhere buried in your subconscious and so working with
plant medicine like this can bring it to the forefront,
which is what I hear you saying with that tattoo artist.
And when you learn more. I mean, I know it
does sound really scary to a lot of people, but
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these practices have been around forever, and it's just like
when we go back to the medical world or whatever,
if you really start researching about it, a lot of
it got dumbed down, made illegal, not used in the
medical world or the health field or the mental health
fields because they can't make a bunch of money on
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it because usually you do one thing and then it
heals a lot of stuff. You're not coming back regularly,
you know, you're not buying pills every month or whatever.
So anyway, that was my experience, and I've also been
having this ping of like do I want to work
with flower essences? Do I want to work with plant
medicine again in some sort of way, because I've had
some blocks that I'm like you, like, I know there's
(28:27):
something in there, and for some reason I'm not able
to access it. But I feel the pool, so I
know it's there, and it's like I'm ready, I just
haven't quite found the road yet, and so I want
to work with my brain and my own intuition and
my subconscious and find it. So I'm going to actually
start using microflow or microdosing probably in the next couple weeks.
(28:51):
So I'll keep you guys posted on that. But that's
exciting if you want to do one, Like I love that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And I think I mean you all probably talked about
it on Wednesday, But like, the microdosing thing is a
much different You're not tripping, so you.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Go function in your day drive you can parents see
things a.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Little bit more clearly because it opens up your mind's
eye in a way. And you know, in the hero
dose thing too, the trip that Kelly did, you should say, like,
this isn't about like a party. She was in a
very safe environment. Was yeah, she was in her bed,
Like it's not a drug thing, like it truly is
a medical thing. She was safe because there was I mean,
(29:33):
he was in the house.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Well it's a whole thing. You like, there was meet
before months before you talk through your goals, you like,
I mean, there's all these protocols. He doesn't even work
with everyone. There is a very big process to this,
and I know a lot of people would be like, oh,
were you tripping your ass off or whatever, and I'm like,
it wasn't like that. It was a total mental health
(29:57):
reset for me, and it completely changed my life. Like
after that, I didn't drink for a year. I didn't
want to, like it was this really interesting. I just
I was very curious and I was going so much
deeper with myself. But what I told Christy on Wednesday
is I could not get out of a cycle of
these very addictive, toxic relationships. And if you listened to
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the podcast for a long time, like you've heard me
talk through with so many different facilitators, like all the
different things I tried, all the different work that I did,
and all of it mattered. Like I'm not saying this
was the one end all, be all, but it did
rewire something. It triggered something that I could not access
even with all the therapy, even with all the facilitators.
(30:41):
It was just like it all worked together for me,
and I think we need all of it. Like I'm
not saying do this not that it's just more of
a listen to your inner knowing and your own calling
and like what you're feeling right now. I would say,
if you're feeling called, then you're ready. Yeah, go do it.
I just I get I want everyone to do it
because I'm like, this would we wouldn't be fighting in
(31:02):
our country because you see the world differently. You know,
we're all connected. You like know we're supposed to work
with each other and not tear each other down. But
it's really hard when not everyone in the world has
on that, right.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, I mean it's it's called enlightenment.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I guess. I mean it's yeah. I don't feel like,
oh it's so enlightened, but it was. It was eye
opening for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
That's enlightenment.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah. Do you remember me texting y'all and being like,
I just feel like my heart could explode with so
much love. I felt so much love that I genuinely
was like, my heart's going to explode. That's what I felt, Like,
tell me that's a bad thing. I don't I can't
find the bad Well that yes, but it didn't because
(31:45):
I'm still here. It makes me upset that certain things
get demonized. And again I understand there are there side
effects to everything, or there could be a negative situation,
but that's the same, if not worse with like pills.
You know, I don't know. I guess I don't understand
why we're not working with it in a safe way.
(32:07):
And I do think that's entered the conversation a lot,
Like they're definitely talking about using it in therapy more
and PTSD. I mean, I had a lot of PTSD
from some abusive situations, and like that got alleviated too.
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I love to think of the idea that there are
animals throughout history that have just walked up and eaten
a mushroom and then trip because surely it would affect
a bear or a wolf or the same way. And
a lot of those animals forage for things like mushrooms.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
They know more than us.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
It's just really interesting. Do you want to play a
game of would you rather? But with like health stuff.
I've pulled some questions that I thought could be really funny,
but these are legit. I mean, if we're exploring you're
sitting here talking about doing a psilocybin journey, Yeah, let's
do it. Did you have anything else you wanted to
say about that. By the way, did I cut that
off to past?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
No? I mean I just thought it was like another
sort of sign from the universe. I thought it was
very odd that this is what we were going to
talk about today.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I mean, from mel Robbins to psilocybin, and we just
don't even know what Chip's going to bring these days.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Guys have I'm gonna have self health books on the
top of the New York Times.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Bestsellers, So you're gonna write one.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I mean funny, They're gonna be funny.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Oh my god, you can use your comedy routine. It
makes self help fun.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I love this combination.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
We just came up with a BDI going into all
our idea a BDI. What if you know we've talked
about that a lot. Okay, we'll call this the would
you rather the Health Edition because we've played would you rather?
On here before but it was not health related.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
But these are weird health things.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
They're not weird. But okay. One thing that Christy and
I talked about a lot, for instance, was parasites. Did
you know that, like she says, if you have a polse,
you have a parasite. What does that make you think
face right now?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, I mean, I guess it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Well, I've had an overgrowth of them before, and so
I've done cleanses to get rid of them. You probably
have and you just don't know. But I was having
a lot of stomach issues and I was like, what
is happening? And it would go from basically not being
able to use the bathroom to like going too much,
and I knew something was off. So I saw this
holistic guy and he was like, Oh, you have a
parasite overgrowth in one of my intestines, and so they'll
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basically eat all the nutrients in your body, so you're
not getting them and they hold on to it. That's
why I would get constipated or whatever, and then I
would have this like massive release sometimes and it was
just not I knew it wasn't good for my gut,
Like none of it was good, and my gut wasn't
absorbing any of the nutrition like for my food or
vitamins or anything like that because the parasites are eating them.
(34:50):
So anyway, we talked. She and I talked a lot
about it. I know it sounds really weird to people
if you've never addressed it. But I love that if
you have a pulsy of a parasite because it's very
common and it's ye.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Come on, fruits and foods and meat.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, but walking outside barefoot you can get them with
They're in the water, They're like, they're everywhere. But a
lot of times our body will just release them. It's
just if you have too many toxins in your body,
they have a place to live. That's what that's the
whole point of like, why you want your insides to
be healthy. It's because the more toxic you are on
(35:22):
the inside, the more things like that. They love it.
They want to go to out. That's crazy. Okay. So
that's one of the first questions has to do with that.
Would you rather do a parasite cleanse for a month
or drink cell rejuice every day for a year?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Cell rejuice?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Same? Okay. The word parasite is just overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I don't want something feeding off of me. That's correct.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Well, what if you had them, because what if these
are two treatments for them? Would you rather do cell
rejuice for a year or would you want to do
a pear? Okay, me too. I also like I'm realizing
my body is just sensitive, Like I'm a sensitive human emotionally,
but it's also just sensitive physically, So like I don't
like to do things that are just really aggressive anymore. Yeah, okay,
so we're both doing cell re juice for you. Maybe
(36:07):
we should start doing that anyway. Okay. Would you rather
do a coffee ininema every morning or take ice bats
every night for a month? Okay? Would you rather do
a coffee ininema every morning or take ice bats every
(36:28):
night for a month?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
But if you could coffee animal, I'm one.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Percent doing the coffee anema. Yeah, I don't think I
would mind that first of all, but I hate being cold.
I can't stand it.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, especially I wouldn't want to do an ice bath
at night either. Like, if I'm gonna do an ice bath,
it needs to be during the day or in the
morning to like wake me up. If I feel like
if I did an ice bath at night, I wouldn't sleep.
You would definitely not sleep.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
No, never, I've tried twice, and I'm like, this is
not for me. This is not the way that I
get my body well more cold. Okay. Would you rather
microdose mushrooms for three months, or do a week long
silent meditation retreat mushrooms? Duh, Like, can'd.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Be quiet for a week?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Imagine you're trying to be quiet for a week.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
It's hard enough to meditate for five minutes a day.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, I mean no, I agree, But like, just not
talking for a week sounds so isolating to me.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I would It'd be like we care spot have to
sneak out the chit at Starbucks.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
You're like, who wants to talk to me? Anybody body
talk to me? Nobody just fucking talk to me? Okay?
Would you rather only eat organ meat? You know, they're
really starting to talk about like the whole animal being
really healthy. So that's a big one, Like liver, the tongue,
like things that we typically just throw away. They're talking
(37:52):
about how important they might be for our health. Okay,
So would you rather only eat organ meat for a
week or drink bone broth for every meal for a week.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I think I'd probably do the bone broth same, although
I do like like liver, pete and things like that,
but not I just the term organ meat. I was
hoping you were going to say it was from the
state of Oregon, but no, no, it was organ meat.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Organ meat. I love bone broth, so that one doesn't
scare me. I mean, I think it would be a
little bit like us being back at week here, because
it sounds like you're back on liquids. But I'm such
a texture person, so I struggle with meat sometimes because
there's only certain meats that can really I can do.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Tongue is not a texture that you want to eat.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Liver is tough too, Like the liver, I've seen it,
I've felt it. I think I've maybe tried to taste it.
I just I'm like, I want a gag right now,
even to my.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Parents us fried chicken livers and gizzards.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
No, I know that's what they're saying, but that's actually
like the things they're talking about again, I mean, probably
not fried, but you know, maybe if you use something
other than Chris go or or the things that they
probably used. Okay, would you rather get a deep tissue
massage that hurts like hell or do three hours of
hot yoga.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
The deep tissue massage that hurts me?
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I think I would too. I can take that pain
for some reason.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
You know, here's a question if there are any experts
out there. Okay, I don't think a massage is good
unless it hurts. Is that true? Or is that just
mean that my body needs more massage, Like I'm so
stiff that I like just need more and more and more.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I think it probably varies for people, because actually one
of our friends is so sensitive. But I think it's
what I've realized is I think that the more inflammation
you have in your body, because when I have more
inflammation happening, I'm so sensitive to any sort of touch,
Like for women, we can have real sensitivities based on
our cycles too, and so I don't know that, like
(39:59):
it's the same across the board. But I'm like you
when I have real neck issues or back issues, like
I need them to get in there and it hurts,
but you know that there's going to be good on
the other side of it, right, so you want them
to dig in. So I think it's just it depends
on the situation and the person maybe.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Personally, Like I don't think that someone could give me
a hard enough massage. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, Okay, would you rather take a supplement that makes
you super gassy for a week but feel amazing after
or feel tired and blah for a month, but have
no gash.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Give me that pill.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I'm taking the gas too.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
All over the grocery store. I work from home. I
work from home. Let's feel great.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
You release when you can excuse me.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I would make tick. I would finally get a TikTok.
Why yeah, so it could make fart videos for TikTok.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Oh, my god, do you do that. I'm not really
on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Well, people send me fart videos all the time.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
That feels on brand.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
My sister loves them.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Would you rather give up coffee for a year or
alcohol for a year?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Probably alcohol, me too. And I don't think I would
have said that in January, oh really, because I don't
think I would have believed it was possible. And after
I did, I saw I did drive February. Basically, it
was the twenty seventh of January through the twenty seventh
of February, and then I drank while I was in
Montana that weekend. But I haven't had a drink since.
(41:27):
I mean, granted I had COVID last week and but
like I don't miss it, like I don't really, I'm
not like drawn to drink. I'm not saying I will
never drink again. But like even if friends called and said, hey,
let's meet on a patio today, it's really nice out,
I'd go, but i'd probably order a soda water.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Unless you find your ways to get around it. You
kind of were like, why did I do this so much? A?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
You save a ton of money? B Like, look, if
I want to have a fun night out and want
to go get hammered, yeah I'll do that, but I'm
not just gonna go have a drink to have a drink,
Like I don't see the point in it anymore.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, something changed, and that's.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Not me being like going and getting hammered is healthier
than because it's probably not. But I just don't need
to constantly have the alcohol in my body.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Well, once you do time without it, this is what
I always have said to you, Like, once you do
time without it, I think you realize actually how bad
it makes you feel, and so you're sort of more
picky and choosy if nothing else, like whether you're a
social drinker or whatever kind of drinker you are, if
you take the break, Like when I used to drink
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more consistently, I didn't realize how bad I or how
bad I felt or looked all the time, like it
changes your skin, your face, your body, like all of it.
And if you're waking up with a subtle hangover every day,
you kind of just that's your norm and you forget
what it feels like to feel really good.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, I mean, I said to my trainer, like I
told him that I'd done it, and I also did
no fried food snow sweets and no wead. And the
wed thing is really what surprised me. I mean that's
been a daily for me years and years and years.
It never occurred to me that that would have been
(43:14):
as problematic for my body.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Oh really, what do you notice my clarity?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I felt like I was sleeping better. And the thing
is is I think like I had convinced myself I
needed it to sleep better or I needed it to
turn my brain off, but was really what it was
doing was it was making my brain foggy and work
at weird times. And again I'm not I haven't sworn
it off forever, but I just like, don't. I don't
want it in my life the same way that I
(43:40):
had it, Like I wanted to like watch a really
funny movie with friends or something, you know, like do that,
but like, I don't need to book it every night
like I. To me, it was like this is my
glass of wine. That's how I justified it, and that's
not the case anymore interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, I mean, you do seem so much more clear
and with your thoughts. I would say like, yeah, just
you're more vocal. I don't know, everything just feels more
put together. So it's obviously growing up.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Look at that, Look at me.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Okay. Would you rather have to explain to everyone you
meet why you are doing a parasite cleanse or tell
people you're micro dos and mushrooms?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I mean, the parasite cleans is a funnier conversation. That's
a weird one for me.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
You're like, my stand up routine benefits more from parasite cleansing.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Correct the micro dose thing. I feel like I'd be
a better salesperson at it because I feel like it
is more in tune with what I would do. Okay,
but I feel like a lot more judgment and negativity
would come yeah, for the wrong reasons, Like I don't.
I think also people will be like, why the fuck
are you doing a parasite cleanse? And I'd be like, well,
this is why. I know it's weird, but I wouldn't
(44:53):
be as embarrassed to talk about Okay, that makes sense,
worried about it. Yeah, so maybe I would say in
this case, parasite.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Is that I don't think I would be embarrassed to
talk about either.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
I mean that word guarded is probably a little bit
of a better word of it, okay, because I think
that people would just be like, you're a druggie, and
then you're like trying to explain like no, it's plant
medicine and blah blah blah, and then trying to sell
it on them, or it's at least the parasite thing.
They're just like, well, that's some weird trendy craze.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Like yeah, you know, I love that we act like
we'd be embarrassed to talk about anything, yet we're on
a podcast talking about it, so obviously.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
There's no embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, there's really not that much. Okay. Would you rather
have perfect gut health but never eat pizza again, or
have perfect skin but never drink wine again?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Probably the skin.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
The hard thing for me is I don't eat pizza already. Yeah,
I'm like that. I know it's an easy thing for
me to give up. I mean, every now and again,
I will, Like recently my boyfriend I made pizzas at
home and I did this kind of cheese that I
can eat and a gluten free crust, and it was
so good, Like I loved it. But I don't really
(46:05):
need pizza in my life because I've already eliminated it.
So it's an easy Like, I know that's an easy one.
But I've also cut alcohol out before, so I mean,
I know I could do that. I just I want
and I want perfect skins. That's stressed.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Especially now that I'm aging, is something that I'm paying
a lot more attention to. Yeah, I'm moisturized now.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
It's weird that one's tough for me because I mean,
but I think everything starts in your gut too, and
so even your skin the way that looks. If you
don't have a good gut, that a lot of times
it's going to manifest in your skin. So I don't know,
I'm going pizza on this one.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Interesting, it's the biggest organ in your body.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
I do know that, which is really interesting when you
think about the product that you put on it every
day and things like that.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
I only use vegan soaps and stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I try to do as clean as I can too.
It's hard with makeup because as a makeup artist, I'm
not going to lie to people and say that any
sort of natural makeup works the same, Like the chemicals
are what make makeup better. So it's tough because it's like,
there are good natural brands and there's certain products that
(47:17):
I try to use, and if I'm being really honest,
all the ones with the chemicals work better. So it's tough.
It's a tough sell unless you're really dedicated to like
your health is the most important, you know, But if
your beauty is the most important, then the temporary like
you want it right, then that's going to be a
tough sell for me.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Would you rather do an intense mushroom journey in the
jungle with a shaman or spend a week at a
wellness spa with no phone, no sugar, and no caffeine?
You know my answer?
Speaker 2 (47:47):
I feel I'm a I'm going to do that.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I'm going in the jungle.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I am going to the jungle too, cause like.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
No phone, no sugar, no caffeine. I mean that's what
we did. I think we could have our phones, but
you try to limit them, and there's definitely spots you
wouldn't use them and stuff no sugar, no caffeine. It's
like I would like to get to a better place
with it, but I know the process. And then I'm
all about like emotional journeys, which that would be what
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that is the intense mushroom journey in the jungle with
the shampres.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Well And I also feel like the wellness spa is
the type of thing that you break the second.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
You leave, you know, I don't think that's some point,
I know.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
But you're much more likely too, like you kind of
go back into your old ways. I'm sure it's amazing
for the week that you're there, and there are residual
effects that you carry with you, but the trip with
a shaman is something that you carry.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
For life and it can change you, like rewire you
for real. Yeah, yes, hopefully both would have that impact.
But yeah, I'm going in the jungle. I think a
lot of people though you'd be surprised at how many
people would be scared of that, Like, are they're scared
to let go of control to like work with something
like a psilocybin to see what comes up and just
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be present with that. A lot of people don't like
that idea.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Well, I mean, a lot of people have trauma in
their lives that they have pushed so far down that
they're a little aware of. But they're also.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
I don't want to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
They've lied to themselves so much about it that they
believe their lives, you know, and that's a really scary thing,
like you don't know how that's going to manifest itself,
but also it's eating them from the inside. It's the
best thing that you could ever do to get it out.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Would you rather take a mystery supplement that could make
you feel amazing or give you explosive diarrhea or a
stick with your same old routine. I'd take the gamble,
you would see. I'm like, I feel pretty good on
the day to day.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, I mean, do I have to take it forever?
Like if it gives me diarrhea, I'd stop?
Speaker 1 (49:51):
That's true. They didn't clarify. Yeah, Okay, I don't know.
In mine, I guess it would be like take it
for what do you want to say? A month?
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah? I mean I would try that. Okay, I'll be
farting in diary in and I'll let you work.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
You better get some good candles. Would you rather have
to wear a shirt that says ask me about my
parasites for a week or one that says I love
coffee enemas. That's funny.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
They're both kind of funny.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
I mean they both lead to conversation. I like to
ask me about my parasites because I mean you would
get in some really interesting conversation.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I think I do. I love coffee animas. Yeah, I
think it's just really funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Would you rather go on a fully raw diet for
a month or do water only fast for three days?
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Water only fast for three days?
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Really? See, I would go raw for a month.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I love water. Can I have ice? Can I chew ice? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:53):
But like that's the only thing you're eating?
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Hmm, I would do that.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Oh God, see I can't the no food. Like when
I was in high school, we used to there was
this church retreat thing we did where it was like
we fasted. I think it was forty eight hours maybe,
and it was to raise money for I can't even
remember the exact cause, no it was I think we
donated it. I think it was to children in like Africa,
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but it was a forty eight hour famine or something,
and so it was, you know, to help conquer world
hunger kind of thing, and he raised money for it
and things like that. I would get a migraine every time,
like after the first twelve hours, like my body just
cannot do it. And my boyfriend always comments like, oh
and how much I eat? Like I just am constantly
(51:39):
kind of needing. I don't know if it's my metabolism
or what, but I cannot not do food or it
just really impacts me.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
So yeah, I love water, I love ice, so i'd
I think.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
I'd rather do that, but you'd be so hungry.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Not if I got that sonic ice machine.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Okay, okay. Would you rather live with one weird food
allergy forever like garlic or chocolate or have to take
ten supplements a day for life? I mean I do
live with food allergies, so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
I also do take ten supplements a day.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
I know, I think I would just take the ten supplements.
Although she made an interesting point because she was like,
you know, you go to these natura paths here and
they're giving you a bunch of supplements, so it's not
a pill per se as like a doctor, a medical
doctor is giving you. But in some ways it's like
another pill to treat another thing, versus like getting our
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bodies in line enough to heal themselves into and like
using food as medicine and things like that. And I
was like, that is actually something I've realized the last
year too, because I was going to a naturopath buying
all these supplements all the time. One it gets really expensive.
I do think that that's a better alternative, but it's
kind of the same idea, isn't it, Like, and still
(52:56):
not really going to the root cause all the time,
you're just throwing a pill something.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I think some of them do go to the root call,
like if you're like, if you have an iron deficiency
and you're taking iron supplements, that's going to a root
cause of something, versus a synthetic drug made in a lab,
which is now these other things are. So that's I mean,
it's like, my my supplements are like vitamin C, vitamin D,
(53:22):
vitamin E, like there a goal.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Would be though to get that from food and sunlight
and things of that nature versus taking a pill.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Right, Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
That's all. Would you rather have your body text you
every symptom. It's feeling like constant updates or never know
what's going on inside until it's urgent. That's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Tough one. I feel like I get enough texts that
I would just want.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
To one urgency. I'm going every update. But I do
think what would happen eventually is you've been zone out. Yeah,
so then you might miss some of the things that
you need to be paying attention to. But I actually
just love the way bodies work. I think it's fascinating.
So that's why I would lean that way.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah. Yeah, I think i'd stop rating them at a
certain point.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, anyway, that was interesting. So if you guys took
the quiz with us, email us at the Edge at
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Speaker 2 (54:20):
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Speaker 1 (54:25):
As you guys go into the weekend and you're living
on the edge, I hope you always remember too.
Speaker 2 (54:30):
Ahual by
I love that you just changed your glasses, Like, are
these your podcasts?
Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, well, you know what's funny is these are my
glasses that are progressive. So when I'm sitting in my computer,
I kind of have to like look up to make
it uh huh, and that feels weird. So I have
just readers for my computer. Okay. The readers make my
eyes look really big, like bugging, So these are cuter.
Speaker 1 (00:26):
So since we're on video for this podcast, you were like,
I don't want that. You know that I think is
weird and you can probably educate me a little bit
on this. And it's very in line with our topic
today because it's health. But I'm forty two, you're forty
nine nine. Okay, So I've worn glasses in contact since
I think I was twelve or thirteen. Like, I'm pretty blind,
(00:48):
but I'm near sighted, so I can see close, but
I can't see far away if I don't have my
contacts in. And I swear it's been so weird because
the last I would say, it's about a year and
a half, two years. I can't barely wear my glasses
because it makes me so dizzy when I'm trying to
read stuff. Like close up, because I think I'm getting
the after you turn forty and you're losing your whatever vision.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
It is that very well could be. I mean I
had perfect vision until I was forty, Like.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I was something happens at forty.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
Yeah, twenty twenty is obviously perfect vision. I had better
than twenty twenty. It was like twenty twenty two, like
whatever the farther the like what do you call it?
The near sighted?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Short near sided, So it's the opposite of what you
would think, like near sided you can see close, but
you can't see far away. That's what I am. Far
sided is you can see far away but not close.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
So my far number exceeded twenty. I can read a
sign from really far away. It's crazy, but I after
I turned forty, it was like I noticed I'd be
because we were always at bars and restaurants, like the
menu was getting further and first, yeah.
Speaker 1 (01:53):
It's weird. I feel like I've watched my parents do
this for so many years. But you hold the phone away,
you like, hold whatever the menu further away. I feel
like I'm like looking down and squinting almost and it's
so confusing, and I just don't really wear my glasses anymore, ever,
because it makes my brain like, I don't know, it
starts to feel dizzy.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Like I said, well, what happens when you go to
a show and you want to like, if you're standing
in front of house at a Dirk show, is he
blurry if you don't have a.
Speaker 1 (02:21):
Well, I literally always have contacts in. That's it. Oh oh,
but like at night and stuff or when I was
just around my house, I used to wear my glasses
all the time. So I guess I'm gonna have to
go in. This is so interesting for our listeners, I'm sure,
but I'm hoping that some of you can relate because
this is just very I'm like, oh my god, there's
these weird things that happen with age that none of
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us can avoid. And everyone always told me that when
you turn forty it really shifted, and I was like, well,
I already have bad visions, so I might not notice
it as much, but it's such a different type of
weird vision stuff, and almost like it takes me a
second to focus on stuff. So yeah, from far away,
(03:02):
like it's like I'm fine, I'm actually better just having
my contacts in and reading far away. And then when
I have my contacts in. I do have to hold
my phone a little further. Sometimes it's blurry for a second.
It takes me a second to focus. So I went
to the eye doctor about it, and they were like, no,
it's fine. You probably have a couple more years of this,
Like maybe it's still the in between.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
Yeah, I probably want to don't. I don't know the
answer to this question. But do they make a progressive.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
Contact contact line. I don't know. I actually don't know
the answer to that either.
Speaker 2 (03:32):
I don't know how that would work.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
The contacts don't bother me as much.
Speaker 2 (03:34):
That it's just the est. Never touch my eyeball, I no.
Speaker 1 (03:38):
Everyone says that I'd literally do it. I don't even
look like it's like it's nothing. I'm like, I could
have been doing it for so long though, you'd.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
Have to remove my eyeball to get it out. Well.
Speaker 1 (03:49):
I always say, if I ever wanted to make a
man week in the knees, I know exactly how to
do it because of my job. And when I'm putting
makeup on men's faces anywhere near their eye, I mean,
you would think I'm literally stabbing them to death. They
are like so squirmy, they're crying, and it's hilarious to
me because I'm like, we do this every day. We're
putting on mascara. They sticking my fingers in my eyes,
(04:12):
and the men's like they'll they'll dip their head backwards,
and yeah, I'm just like I could always I would
know how to take a man down real fast.
Speaker 2 (04:20):
I used to be really jealous of those kids that
could flip their eyelids.
Speaker 1 (04:25):
That's disgusting.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
It's disgusting.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
But like I was, I don't know, I've actually never the.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
Bravest thing in the world.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
And what if it got stuck.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
I mean, that's what I feel like would happen if
I tried it, And then I'd be in the emergency
room and be too scared to let someone touch it
to unflip it, and it would.
Speaker 1 (04:38):
Just that sounds like a tragedy. Yes, well, we are
digressing a little at this point. But the topic today.
I told you on Wednesday, I spoke with a woman
who I'm obsessed with. Now we've become friends and I
really just love her story. So my t her name's Christy
k Now and she's a rude cause health practitioner and
plant medicine experts. So I mean, if you had map
(05:00):
out someone that you thought I would be interested in,
is she not? Probably at the.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
Time nail on the head.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah. Of the stuff that I talk about, I am
so big on why are we not looking at root causes?
It drives me crazy. I hate the hole. Let's just
throw a pill at something as the resolution. And I
find myself still doing that in a lot of ways
in life because we have to move at such a
fast pace and the expectations of our culture are so
(05:28):
high that if you don't do that kind of thing,
I mean, it just takes a lot of work, I
guess would be the thing. It's like, it takes a
conscious effort to really get to what's going on actually
in your body. How do I like make my body
the healthiest that it can be, just to maintain like
on a normal basis, and then not take the easy route,
(05:48):
you know, like the quick thing, the take the tile
and all of you have a headache, instead of looking
at why do you have a headache though?
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Why I have a headache?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
Exactly?
Speaker 2 (05:57):
I mean, but if you think about it, like plaque
building up, if you never brush your teeth at a
certain point, like the plight gets so bad it eats
away at the foundation. And I think that like is
a metaphor kind of just for like even how our
world is built right now. I mean, you look at
what's changing politically in America right now, and it's there's
so many just systems and it feels like and I'm
(06:18):
not trying to get political here, I'm just saying, like,
when you look at like trying to change something that's
this big and has this many moving levers, it is
really really scary. And who knows, like some of these
might actually be the solutions, And everyone that listens probably
knows that. I don't believe that, but yeah, you know,
you really have to get under the hood sometimes to
(06:39):
like fix things. And I think, like when it comes
to health, and I've said it before about ozempic, it's
crazy to me that it is not a covered drug
because I do think it goes straight to some of
the root causes of a lot of other illnesses, and
the fact that you know, you can get a pain pill,
but you can't get a pill that helps you lose
weight or a shot that helps you.
Speaker 1 (07:00):
And there's something weird there because.
Speaker 2 (07:02):
You're too heavy on your bones or whatever. It just
doesn't make sense to me.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
Well, what Christy and I talked about was and this
is again, you know, we really do try not to
be political here. I think it's hard sometimes not to
have some sort of opinion, But as an overall conversation,
I think most people would agree this does feel like
a time where we're looking at systems, like you said,
and the medical industry is a huge one that people
(07:25):
are starting to go, Wait a second, I trusted you,
and I thought I could walk into the doctor's office
and you would have my best interest at heart. And
now I'm finding out that you just are making money
off of this and it's not necessarily the thing that's
the best for me, or you're not looking into it
any further because you're lazy and don't care, or you're
not set up that way in your office. Like there's
(07:46):
all in doctor's defense, there are all these parameters on
them as well, And so I think it's just the
conversation has entered the chat or whatever it's begun, and
we are starting to ask more questions. And the biggest
thing that Christy and I talked about was just advocating
for yourself and knowing like trusting your own intuition about hey,
(08:07):
there's something not right here, and not just taking what
someone else says as fact without digging deeper or looking
into the root causes or retracing your steps whatever it is,
you know, like really looking into the more full picture,
the holistic approach and the western medicine whatever it is,
but both sides of it, and not just going well,
(08:30):
the doctor said, or you know, my blood work was
fine based on all of these blood works that they're
comparing it to, which is what she told me. Was like, yeah,
but eighty percent of our society or whatever is very
unhealthy and that's the labs they're comparing it to. So
normal do we want to be normal?
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So anyway, that's that's a really wild point that I'd
never thought. I mean, statistically, it makes it really wild.
Speaker 1 (08:54):
I know, when when doctors say, well, that's normal, you
want to say, oh, that means that's healthy, but normal
in America. I don't want to be normal in America
right now health wise, like I would not want to
be and I would not want to be compared. I
don't want my stats to be compared on that because
I don't believe that we are a healthy society.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
You're right.
Speaker 1 (09:15):
We talked about that, and then you and I were like,
let's come up with some questions to talk about of
different just health aspects. The other thing that Christy does
is plant medicine, and I told you before the podcast
she started a company called microflow, which is microdosing. It
does have some psilocybin and and it's a bunch of
other mushroom and like supplement extract things that I'm going
(09:38):
to butcher, so go check out microslow dot com for
more information. But we were talking a little bit about
the micro dosing and I want to get into this later,
but just in general working with plant medicine. She had
a lot of things to say about that. She's a
plant medicine expert. I've had my own experiences that that
I've talked about on the podcast. I think it's super
helpful or it was for me, and so I'm really
(09:59):
glad that people are starting to talk about it. So
we are also going to talk about that. But the
first thing I wanted to ask you and you said,
you have a funny story. So I've kind of been
on pins and needles to hear this, but I was like,
I try so many things, and I'm so open with health,
with mental health, like, I'll pretty much try anything, Like
I don't really find myself to be that scared of
(10:21):
much in those capacities. And so I'm curious, is there
anything that you've tried, because maybe my stories are not
I don't even know where to start, But is there
anything that you tried that you would be like that
was a really weird health trend that I tried or
thought this is going to be the new thing that
really kind of backfired for you.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
I don't know if it backfired, but there was a
time when I was living in Los Angeles that it
was colonics got to be really done that. And for
those of you who don't know what a colonic is,
it's basically when you have warm water shot up your
butthole and it cleans out way into your intestines.
Speaker 1 (11:02):
Well, I mean through a tube that's all through a tube.
Speaker 2 (11:04):
That's inserted in your bubble, and once you say I
can't take anymore, you feel you basically you get the
sensation that you feel like you're gonna poop your pants.
They turn off the flow and it reverses and you
see your excrement like come through this machine that is backlit,
and the woman is sitting there like rubbing your belly
or woman the technician mine happened to be a woman,
(11:27):
like massaging your intestines to push stuff out, and she's like, oh,
there's those big bubbles are sugar, those those little ones
are salt. I could be mixing them up. It was
all mortifying, but I wanted to do it because I
had read that the human intestines are so long and
there's a lot of build up in them that they
can carry twenty six pounds of waste. So I was like,
(11:50):
you know, I want to try this. So I'd been
doing them just like locally in Los Angeles and I
found out about this spa out in like Palm Springs
and I can't remember it's called at this point, but
my friend Bonnie and I went and it was like
not cheap.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Wait and was it the we Care Spa?
Speaker 2 (12:08):
Yes, it's cold.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
Oh my god, I've been there, and that's what I
was going to bring up as well.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
That is so funny. Yeah, I went went to we
Care Spa.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Is an amazing place. Though yes it's out in the desert.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
It's beauty in the desert. It's really beautiful, it's peaceful,
it's not cheap, but you get like a couple of
calonics a day. All you eat is soup and pills.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
Well, you go liquid, you go completely liquid.
Speaker 2 (12:34):
And on the last night, Bonnie was like, I can't
do this anymore, let's go to McDonald's. No, okay, I
went to McDonald's.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
We got to clue the listeners in because wait, did
you guys do a full weekend?
Speaker 2 (12:46):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (12:47):
Okay, so I also did this, but like literally with
a friend from here, flew out to California, it to
La drove to the desert for this. So it was
like an investment. But I was in this phase of
like I really want to like detox and figure out
how to be healthy, Like I was really trying that.
I think this was before I did gluten free dairy free,
(13:10):
but I just knew something wasn't necessarily like in line
with my body and with my diet, and I kept
so starting to have more reactions to food. So I
was like, okay, I'm just going to start, like, go
go to this place, clean out, start fresh. Because a
lot of also, like food places tell you for like
to do the elimination diet. To see what it is
(13:30):
that you're you know, allergic to. So it was kind
of a part of that, but I did not realize
how intense it was going to be. You're not drinking,
you're not doing any of those kind of things. But
it's not even just that. It's that you're not You
don't drink coffee, you don't drink teas. I mean you
drink teas that are non caffeinated, but they cut all caffeine.
They cut all food, like hard solid food, so everything
(13:55):
is like you would have maybe like one soup a day,
but it's all yeah, like puree and everything else was
like liquid based keys, juices and that one soup a
day because they're really trying to set your body up
to detox itself, which Christy talks a lot about that
people jump into the detox step before doing some other
(14:17):
things and so your body might not even be able
to like eliminate properly, which is what happened to me,
and hard got up there. So when I went to go,
because you've been also the other pieces you go get klonics,
was it once a day or twice a day? I
feel a day, I think so too. So it's also
a klonic sends your body into detox because it pulls
(14:38):
so much out of you. So the elimination of food
or whatever. I've never really done well with that because
I think my blood sugar drops too low. But then
the elimination of food the kolonic and then cutting coffee
like fast like that, I don't think I realized it
or something, or maybe I just didn't realize what that
would do to me. I went into full, like hard
(15:00):
core detox. I felt like I had the flu. I
couldn't get out of bed for three days. It was
like having the worst hangover of my life.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Do you remember when it was? What year it was.
I just found my reservation in my old email.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
I was probably like twenty seventeen. Maybe okay, I went sixteen,
twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2 (15:18):
I went May seventeenth through nineteenth. Two thousand and nine.
Speaker 1 (15:22):
Oh my gosh, that's wild.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
They still had tvcrs in the room. It's probably been updated.
Speaker 1 (15:27):
I maybe I don't even remember because I was in
survival mode. But my problem with my kolonic was like
I wasn't getting anything out, and she said, I had
so much gas built up. This is great for our listeners. Yeah,
I forget that people are listening to this and not
just me and you, but like it can get so
like built up in there, it almost becomes impacted. And
(15:49):
so I wasn't having the proper releases, and so while
my body's going into detox, it was just cycling through
the toxins in my body, if that makes sense, until
I started puking. So anyway, we're selling we Care spots
so big, I think you could have a different experience.
It's just like those kind of things. I would say.
(16:10):
Christy helped me a lot too with just realizing this,
Like you can't really go from zero to one hundred
and not think that our body is going to be impacted.
And I don't think that most people realize. Like the
coffee thing. For me, I did not realize how addicted
my body was to caffeine at that point. So to
cut it hardcore like that sends you into massive withdrawal.
(16:31):
Like even now, I know if I just stopped drinking coffee,
I hate to admit this about myself, but it would
give me like migrains for at least a week before
I got out of it. So you almost have to
get worse before you can get better if that makes sense.
And we're so addicted as a society to sugar, Like
you can say, I don't eat a lot of sugar.
Did you know corn turns to sugar in your body,
(16:52):
so like if you eat chips, you're eating sugar essentially.
Like there's so much we don't know about the toxins
were putting in our body at all time that when
you go to a place like that and it like
jolts you, you kind of go, oh my gosh, like
I'm not as healthy as I thought I was.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I guess, yeah, I love that that we ended up
going to the same place.
Speaker 1 (17:13):
Oh my god, wait, so did you get sick at all?
Or you just refined? See that's something I'm just so sensitive.
But then to go straight to McDonald's completely feats the purpose.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Oh I know, but it's still I find it humorous.
Speaker 1 (17:29):
I mean, I will say the day we left, we
went straight to a Starbucks and I got a coffee
and then immediately I felt better. So that was like,
this is bad. I just after that, I tried to
cut back a lot, but the quitting, you know, just
cold turkey like that. I'll never do that again. Yeah,
I would wean myself off slowly. When you feel sick,
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do you go address it? Or if you notice something
reoccurring and you do you address it or let it linger.
Speaker 2 (17:57):
I'm one of those people that we'll let something linger
for a little while because I feel like our bodies
do weird things all the time that are kind of nothing.
But when something feels truly off, I usually will go
get it checked out. But do you ever have like
those Like you'll just get like a shooting pain out
of nowhere in your stomach and you're like, oh my god,
(18:19):
it like makes you bend over, and then you're like,
what was that gas? It's probably just gas?
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, I don't think we realize those kind of thing
as our body is processing through things. I mean, Christy
talks about that a lot too, because she was saying
that our livers they can recover on their own so much.
But if we're constantly putting more and more toxins in
that it can't filter through. It gets really unhealthy and
becomes a place that's like really easy to host things
like parasites, and then they're drawn to it. So then
(18:47):
the process becomes a lot bigger of eliminating that. But
then if you can get your liver to a place
where it's not having a process through so many things.
It can actually like reheal, you know, like or it
can develop back whatever's been broken. If that makes sense.
I don't know if I'm making sense saying that, But
our bodies are their own best healers, but you do
(19:10):
have to like set up the environment for them to heal,
like sleeping that yea, yeah, that's my biggest thing is
the sleep. And I say, I say, I hate they're
in a pillot things and blah blah blah blah. That
is one area where I really I get so desperate
that I'm like, oh, what do I need to do
just to like go to sleep.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
You can have withdrawals from sleep aids too, right, you can?
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (19:35):
Yeah, they I feel like they said, what's the what's
the really big one? Ambient? H Yeah, that it's bad
to just like cold turkey stop that.
Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah. Ambien also makes you do really funny things.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I know, especially if you like fight the ambient.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
Yeah, we have a friend who did that once and
then texted this random person like there's all these embarrassing
stories I've heard from ambient. No, I don't take ambient
but I have There's been a sit a period of
my life where I did I did have an ambient
prescription and I got off that. But it's tough because
on one hand, you're like, I need to sleep, and
I know that's how my body recovers from all these things.
(20:11):
And also like I have this tomorrow I need, you know,
like I'll be like, oh, I got a podcast tomorrow.
My brain will be dead if I don't sleep, which
then only makes me stay up longer. And so I
know there is a root cause I need to address there.
And that's actually part of like what our podcast, my
podcast with Christy kind of brought back to the surface
of my life because I've been just operating in let
(20:32):
me deal with the symptoms because I have so much
on my plate that I need to deal with and
I need to sleep. But now I'm like kind of
been a better place where I can be like, Okay,
what is this, Like why is my nervous system here?
Still like I need to to kind of address some
of the underlying things. I've always been a hard it's
been hard for me to sleep, but like there's more
to it, I think in the last couple of years
(20:54):
than I need to probably address.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I'm luckily I don't have a problem sleeping.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
I just oh, I know. You go to sleep and
then you go like hard and fast. I feel like
there's two types of people in this world, and I
always date the other type, like the type that can
just lay down, fall right asleep and then they're out
for the full night. And I'm over here just tossing
and turning, and I'll wake up a million times in
(21:22):
the night. Like, don't it's hard for me to have
a you know, a deep sleep.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
I've been measuring my sleep because I got to see paps.
I'm sleeping even better. And I use an app called
shut eye and it like maps your sleeping. Yeah, and
the deep sleep is obviously what you where you want
to spend the at least half of your night. And
I'm real good at that.
Speaker 1 (21:41):
You're like, I'm there all night.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
I'm real good.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
I feel like if some people could be professional sleepers,
they would really nail that job. I am not one
of them. Do you want to talk a little bit
about the mushroom thing, because I feel like you had
some questions about it. Do you want to talk a
(22:05):
little bit about the mushroom thing? Because I feel like
you had some questions about it.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, I mean it's funny. So Kelly sent me a
list of topics today and I was walking my dogs
this morning, and you know, I'm aging. So the things
that I'm thinking about right now are different, Like I'm
like looking at life a little differently now. It's like
I'll be fifty this year, which means in twenty years
i'll be seventy. That doesn't seem that long. And I
(22:32):
don't mean it this in a negative way, but it's
like a diminishing returns kind of thing. So it's like
anything that I've sort of had the idea of, like
I want to do this, I have so much less
time to do it now. Like so anything that I've
just put a pin in, I'm like, I need to
like really figure out what the things on my deathbed
(22:52):
are going to be that I regret not trying. I mean,
I started a stand up comedy class last Sunday.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Did you really? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (23:00):
Yeah, I mean I haven't told any but the only
person that knows is Allison is because she signed up
for two but next month. I've never had the aspirations
to be a stand up comic, and I probably will
never even try. It's more about like the writing and
being creative, okay, and just sort of understanding how to
craft a joke was really kind of what I wanted
to understand more.
Speaker 1 (23:19):
Wait, but I have to do like a stand up show.
I think, so can I come?
Speaker 2 (23:23):
So? I think so? Yeah, I think so, I'll let
you know. Wait, okay, I mean once we I know,
I will tell everybody if there's an answers enough. But
I was thinking, like, as I was walking the dogs
this morning, I was like, you know, I'm really fortunate.
I work in a job that I love. I'm around
creative people. I get to be creative in my job.
(23:44):
But I've never been a creator, even though I think
I have it in my bones, and which is what
drew me to this job, because you know, I was
I studied acting in college, and they just drill it
into your head like you're never going to make any money,
You're going to be oh blah blah blah. I knew
that I had a crazy to be a creator of
some sort, and I mentioned on the podcast a few
weeks ago that like, I've got a goal of writing
(24:04):
a script this year, and so I was thinking this
morning like about your hero trip that you did, and
I was just like, maybe I just need to go
and do that. Like, clearly there is something bubbling in
me that I need to give myself the permission to
like embrace that side of me. Because I ran into
a drummer for one of our artists. This is probably
(24:26):
last year, and he told me he had done a
big I don't think he'd ever done mushrooms before, and
he went and did like a big hero journey trip
and he came out of it an artist. He stopped drumming.
He's an incredible tattoo artist and he had never drawn before.
(24:47):
What Yeah, locks, It unlocked something in him that he
did not know existed. And so I was thinking about
both you and him this morning, and I'm like, because
I know I have it in me, it's I don't
give myself the permission to be that. And so I'm like, look,
I could I could go do this and find out
(25:07):
that maybe that's not the path I'm supposed to you know,
maybe I'm supposed to be a vet. I don't know,
but I kind of feel like I need to do
something like that just to shake myself well.
Speaker 1 (25:16):
And also, if you're having like these nudges or these
intuitive hits about it, there is something there.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
Spend questions and I'm like, what the fuck? I was like, yeah,
I'm like this is crazy.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
So I mean what Christy and I talked about, and
I said a similar thing because I did if for
any listener who has not heard me talk about this,
I did what he what Chip is referring to as
a big hero dose, and Christy and I talked about
that as well, where I did like a ceremony with
a shaman and then I did a big dose of
psilocybin and it takes you on about a four hour trip,
(25:55):
and that talked about this on Wednesday. I genuinely was tripping,
like I had to get up to pe at one
point he had to help me walk to the bathroom.
And then when I got in the bathroom, the walls
weremoving and I've never done that, like I've never been
shipping like that, so it was in a very I
started laughing. I remember sitting on the toilet and just
dying laughing because the walls were like all over the
(26:16):
place and a very psychedelic, like what you would think
a psychedelic journey would look like. But that wasn't my
experience during my actual journey. I guess like he's done
all this research with Johns Hopkins, and he has a
playlist that you listen to that triggers your brain and
to go into certain parts of your subconscious. And the
way mine went was actually, you know what, I'm hesitant
(26:39):
to always say how mine went, because it goes different
for every person that I know, and so I don't
ever want to impose what happened with me onto others. No,
it's very much like your body knows what it needs,
and mine got exactly what it needed, and I had
a big release and then I had a big joyous
part of the ceremony or journey or whatever you want
(27:00):
to say. But it's very much like watching a movie
of my life, like I was going through these different journeys,
and each time this song would change, it was like
different and different people would just enter. And so it's
like genuinely working with your subconscious, which is what I
think is so cool because ninety five percent of our
whole brain is functioning from our subconscious and we don't
(27:22):
ever talk about that. Like things, yeah, and the things
that are driving us on the day to day, the reaction.
Do you have the desires? You have all of that,
It's somewhere buried in your subconscious and so working with
plant medicine like this can bring it to the forefront,
which is what I hear you saying with that tattoo artist.
And when you learn more. I mean, I know it
does sound really scary to a lot of people, but
(27:44):
these practices have been around forever, and it's just like
when we go back to the medical world or whatever,
if you really start researching about it, a lot of
it got dumbed down, made illegal, not used in the
medical world or the health field or the mental health
fields because they can't make a bunch of money on
(28:04):
it because usually you do one thing and then it
heals a lot of stuff. You're not coming back regularly,
you know, you're not buying pills every month or whatever.
So anyway, that was my experience, and I've also been
having this ping of like do I want to work
with flower essences? Do I want to work with plant
medicine again in some sort of way, because I've had
some blocks that I'm like you, like, I know there's
(28:27):
something in there, and for some reason I'm not able
to access it. But I feel the pool, so I
know it's there, and it's like I'm ready, I just
haven't quite found the road yet, and so I want
to work with my brain and my own intuition and
my subconscious and find it. So I'm going to actually
start using microflow or microdosing probably in the next couple weeks.
(28:51):
So I'll keep you guys posted on that. But that's
exciting if you want to do one, Like I love that, yeah.
Speaker 2 (28:58):
And I think I mean you all probably talked about
it on Wednesday, But like, the microdosing thing is a
much different You're not tripping, so you.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
Go function in your day drive you can parents see
things a.
Speaker 2 (29:11):
Little bit more clearly because it opens up your mind's
eye in a way. And you know, in the hero
dose thing too, the trip that Kelly did, you should say, like,
this isn't about like a party. She was in a
very safe environment. Was yeah, she was in her bed,
Like it's not a drug thing, like it truly is
a medical thing. She was safe because there was I mean,
(29:33):
he was in the house.
Speaker 1 (29:35):
Well it's a whole thing. You like, there was meet
before months before you talk through your goals, you like,
I mean, there's all these protocols. He doesn't even work
with everyone. There is a very big process to this,
and I know a lot of people would be like, oh,
were you tripping your ass off or whatever, and I'm like,
it wasn't like that. It was a total mental health
(29:57):
reset for me, and it completely changed my life. Like
after that, I didn't drink for a year. I didn't
want to, like it was this really interesting. I just
I was very curious and I was going so much
deeper with myself. But what I told Christy on Wednesday
is I could not get out of a cycle of
these very addictive, toxic relationships. And if you listened to
(30:19):
the podcast for a long time, like you've heard me
talk through with so many different facilitators, like all the
different things I tried, all the different work that I did,
and all of it mattered. Like I'm not saying this
was the one end all, be all, but it did
rewire something. It triggered something that I could not access
even with all the therapy, even with all the facilitators.
(30:41):
It was just like it all worked together for me,
and I think we need all of it. Like I'm
not saying do this not that it's just more of
a listen to your inner knowing and your own calling
and like what you're feeling right now. I would say,
if you're feeling called, then you're ready. Yeah, go do it.
I just I get I want everyone to do it
because I'm like, this would we wouldn't be fighting in
(31:02):
our country because you see the world differently. You know,
we're all connected. You like know we're supposed to work
with each other and not tear each other down. But
it's really hard when not everyone in the world has
on that, right.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yeah, I mean it's it's called enlightenment.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
I guess. I mean it's yeah. I don't feel like,
oh it's so enlightened, but it was. It was eye
opening for sure.
Speaker 2 (31:24):
That's enlightenment.
Speaker 1 (31:25):
Yeah. Do you remember me texting y'all and being like,
I just feel like my heart could explode with so
much love. I felt so much love that I genuinely
was like, my heart's going to explode. That's what I felt, Like,
tell me that's a bad thing. I don't I can't
find the bad Well that yes, but it didn't because
(31:45):
I'm still here. It makes me upset that certain things
get demonized. And again I understand there are there side
effects to everything, or there could be a negative situation,
but that's the same, if not worse with like pills.
You know, I don't know. I guess I don't understand
why we're not working with it in a safe way.
(32:07):
And I do think that's entered the conversation a lot,
Like they're definitely talking about using it in therapy more
and PTSD. I mean, I had a lot of PTSD
from some abusive situations, and like that got alleviated too.
It's crazy.
Speaker 2 (32:23):
I love to think of the idea that there are
animals throughout history that have just walked up and eaten
a mushroom and then trip because surely it would affect
a bear or a wolf or the same way. And
a lot of those animals forage for things like mushrooms.
Speaker 1 (32:43):
They know more than us.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
Yeah, yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1 (32:47):
It's just really interesting. Do you want to play a
game of would you rather? But with like health stuff.
I've pulled some questions that I thought could be really funny,
but these are legit. I mean, if we're exploring you're
sitting here talking about doing a psilocybin journey, Yeah, let's
do it. Did you have anything else you wanted to
say about that. By the way, did I cut that
off to past?
Speaker 2 (33:07):
No? I mean I just thought it was like another
sort of sign from the universe. I thought it was
very odd that this is what we were going to
talk about today.
Speaker 1 (33:14):
I mean, from mel Robbins to psilocybin, and we just
don't even know what Chip's going to bring these days.
Speaker 2 (33:19):
Guys have I'm gonna have self health books on the
top of the New York Times.
Speaker 1 (33:22):
Bestsellers, So you're gonna write one.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I mean funny, They're gonna be funny.
Speaker 1 (33:26):
Oh my god, you can use your comedy routine. It
makes self help fun.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I love this combination.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
There we go.
Speaker 1 (33:34):
We just came up with a BDI going into all
our idea a BDI. What if you know we've talked
about that a lot. Okay, we'll call this the would
you rather the Health Edition because we've played would you rather?
On here before but it was not health related.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
But these are weird health things.
Speaker 1 (33:50):
They're not weird. But okay. One thing that Christy and
I talked about a lot, for instance, was parasites. Did
you know that, like she says, if you have a polse,
you have a parasite. What does that make you think
face right now?
Speaker 2 (34:01):
Yeah, I mean, I guess it makes sense.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Well, I've had an overgrowth of them before, and so
I've done cleanses to get rid of them. You probably
have and you just don't know. But I was having
a lot of stomach issues and I was like, what
is happening? And it would go from basically not being
able to use the bathroom to like going too much,
and I knew something was off. So I saw this
holistic guy and he was like, Oh, you have a
parasite overgrowth in one of my intestines, and so they'll
(34:26):
basically eat all the nutrients in your body, so you're
not getting them and they hold on to it. That's
why I would get constipated or whatever, and then I
would have this like massive release sometimes and it was
just not I knew it wasn't good for my gut,
Like none of it was good, and my gut wasn't
absorbing any of the nutrition like for my food or
vitamins or anything like that because the parasites are eating them.
(34:50):
So anyway, we talked. She and I talked a lot
about it. I know it sounds really weird to people
if you've never addressed it. But I love that if
you have a pulsy of a parasite because it's very
common and it's ye.
Speaker 2 (35:00):
Come on, fruits and foods and meat.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Yeah, but walking outside barefoot you can get them with
They're in the water, They're like, they're everywhere. But a
lot of times our body will just release them. It's
just if you have too many toxins in your body,
they have a place to live. That's what that's the
whole point of like, why you want your insides to
be healthy. It's because the more toxic you are on
(35:22):
the inside, the more things like that. They love it.
They want to go to out. That's crazy. Okay. So
that's one of the first questions has to do with that.
Would you rather do a parasite cleanse for a month
or drink cell rejuice every day for a year?
Speaker 2 (35:38):
Cell rejuice?
Speaker 1 (35:39):
Same? Okay. The word parasite is just overwhelming.
Speaker 2 (35:43):
I don't want something feeding off of me. That's correct.
Speaker 1 (35:45):
Well, what if you had them, because what if these
are two treatments for them? Would you rather do cell
rejuice for a year or would you want to do
a pear? Okay, me too. I also like I'm realizing
my body is just sensitive, Like I'm a sensitive human emotionally,
but it's also just sensitive physically, So like I don't
like to do things that are just really aggressive anymore. Yeah, okay,
so we're both doing cell re juice for you. Maybe
(36:07):
we should start doing that anyway. Okay. Would you rather
do a coffee ininema every morning or take ice bats
every night for a month? Okay? Would you rather do
a coffee ininema every morning or take ice bats every
(36:28):
night for a month?
Speaker 2 (36:30):
But if you could coffee animal, I'm one.
Speaker 1 (36:32):
Percent doing the coffee anema. Yeah, I don't think I
would mind that first of all, but I hate being cold.
I can't stand it.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
Yeah, especially I wouldn't want to do an ice bath
at night either. Like, if I'm gonna do an ice bath,
it needs to be during the day or in the
morning to like wake me up. If I feel like
if I did an ice bath at night, I wouldn't sleep.
You would definitely not sleep.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
No, never, I've tried twice, and I'm like, this is
not for me. This is not the way that I
get my body well more cold. Okay. Would you rather
microdose mushrooms for three months, or do a week long
silent meditation retreat mushrooms? Duh, Like, can'd.
Speaker 2 (37:11):
Be quiet for a week?
Speaker 1 (37:12):
Imagine you're trying to be quiet for a week.
Speaker 2 (37:15):
It's hard enough to meditate for five minutes a day.
Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah, I mean no, I agree, But like, just not
talking for a week sounds so isolating to me.
Speaker 2 (37:26):
I would It'd be like we care spot have to
sneak out the chit at Starbucks.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
You're like, who wants to talk to me? Anybody body
talk to me? Nobody just fucking talk to me? Okay?
Would you rather only eat organ meat? You know, they're
really starting to talk about like the whole animal being
really healthy. So that's a big one, Like liver, the tongue,
like things that we typically just throw away. They're talking
(37:52):
about how important they might be for our health. Okay,
So would you rather only eat organ meat for a
week or drink bone broth for every meal for a week.
Speaker 2 (38:02):
I think I'd probably do the bone broth same, although
I do like like liver, pete and things like that,
but not I just the term organ meat. I was
hoping you were going to say it was from the
state of Oregon, but no, no, it was organ meat.
Speaker 1 (38:18):
Organ meat. I love bone broth, so that one doesn't
scare me. I mean, I think it would be a
little bit like us being back at week here, because
it sounds like you're back on liquids. But I'm such
a texture person, so I struggle with meat sometimes because
there's only certain meats that can really I can do.
Speaker 2 (38:37):
Tongue is not a texture that you want to eat.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
Liver is tough too, Like the liver, I've seen it,
I've felt it. I think I've maybe tried to taste it.
I just I'm like, I want a gag right now,
even to my.
Speaker 2 (38:49):
Parents us fried chicken livers and gizzards.
Speaker 1 (38:52):
No, I know that's what they're saying, but that's actually
like the things they're talking about again, I mean, probably
not fried, but you know, maybe if you use something
other than Chris go or or the things that they
probably used. Okay, would you rather get a deep tissue
massage that hurts like hell or do three hours of
hot yoga.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
The deep tissue massage that hurts me?
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I think I would too. I can take that pain
for some reason.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
You know, here's a question if there are any experts
out there. Okay, I don't think a massage is good
unless it hurts. Is that true? Or is that just
mean that my body needs more massage, Like I'm so
stiff that I like just need more and more and more.
Speaker 1 (39:36):
I think it probably varies for people, because actually one
of our friends is so sensitive. But I think it's
what I've realized is I think that the more inflammation
you have in your body, because when I have more
inflammation happening, I'm so sensitive to any sort of touch,
Like for women, we can have real sensitivities based on
our cycles too, and so I don't know that, like
(39:59):
it's the same across the board. But I'm like you
when I have real neck issues or back issues, like
I need them to get in there and it hurts,
but you know that there's going to be good on
the other side of it, right, so you want them
to dig in. So I think it's just it depends
on the situation and the person maybe.
Speaker 2 (40:15):
Personally, Like I don't think that someone could give me
a hard enough massage. I really don't.
Speaker 1 (40:20):
Yeah, Okay, would you rather take a supplement that makes
you super gassy for a week but feel amazing after
or feel tired and blah for a month, but have
no gash.
Speaker 2 (40:31):
Give me that pill.
Speaker 1 (40:32):
I'm taking the gas too.
Speaker 2 (40:34):
All over the grocery store. I work from home. I
work from home. Let's feel great.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
You release when you can excuse me.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
I would make tick. I would finally get a TikTok.
Why yeah, so it could make fart videos for TikTok.
Speaker 1 (40:50):
Oh, my god, do you do that. I'm not really
on TikTok.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Well, people send me fart videos all the time.
Speaker 1 (40:57):
That feels on brand.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
My sister loves them.
Speaker 1 (41:00):
Would you rather give up coffee for a year or
alcohol for a year?
Speaker 2 (41:05):
Probably alcohol, me too. And I don't think I would
have said that in January, oh really, because I don't
think I would have believed it was possible. And after
I did, I saw I did drive February. Basically, it
was the twenty seventh of January through the twenty seventh
of February, and then I drank while I was in
Montana that weekend. But I haven't had a drink since.
(41:27):
I mean, granted I had COVID last week and but
like I don't miss it, like I don't really, I'm
not like drawn to drink. I'm not saying I will
never drink again. But like even if friends called and said, hey,
let's meet on a patio today, it's really nice out,
I'd go, but i'd probably order a soda water.
Speaker 1 (41:46):
Unless you find your ways to get around it. You
kind of were like, why did I do this so much? A?
Speaker 2 (41:51):
You save a ton of money? B Like, look, if
I want to have a fun night out and want
to go get hammered, yeah I'll do that, but I'm
not just gonna go have a drink to have a drink,
Like I don't see the point in it anymore.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
Yeah, something changed, and that's.
Speaker 2 (42:05):
Not me being like going and getting hammered is healthier
than because it's probably not. But I just don't need
to constantly have the alcohol in my body.
Speaker 1 (42:14):
Well, once you do time without it, this is what
I always have said to you, Like, once you do
time without it, I think you realize actually how bad
it makes you feel, and so you're sort of more
picky and choosy if nothing else, like whether you're a
social drinker or whatever kind of drinker you are, if
you take the break, Like when I used to drink
(42:36):
more consistently, I didn't realize how bad I or how
bad I felt or looked all the time, like it
changes your skin, your face, your body, like all of it.
And if you're waking up with a subtle hangover every day,
you kind of just that's your norm and you forget
what it feels like to feel really good.
Speaker 2 (42:53):
Yeah, I mean, I said to my trainer, like I
told him that I'd done it, and I also did
no fried food snow sweets and no wead. And the
wed thing is really what surprised me. I mean that's
been a daily for me years and years and years.
It never occurred to me that that would have been
(43:14):
as problematic for my body.
Speaker 1 (43:16):
Oh really, what do you notice my clarity?
Speaker 2 (43:19):
I felt like I was sleeping better. And the thing
is is I think like I had convinced myself I
needed it to sleep better or I needed it to
turn my brain off, but was really what it was
doing was it was making my brain foggy and work
at weird times. And again I'm not I haven't sworn
it off forever, but I just like, don't. I don't
want it in my life the same way that I
(43:40):
had it, Like I wanted to like watch a really
funny movie with friends or something, you know, like do that,
but like, I don't need to book it every night
like I. To me, it was like this is my
glass of wine. That's how I justified it, and that's
not the case anymore interesting.
Speaker 1 (43:56):
Yeah, I mean, you do seem so much more clear
and with your thoughts. I would say like, yeah, just
you're more vocal. I don't know, everything just feels more
put together. So it's obviously growing up.
Speaker 2 (44:11):
Look at that, Look at me.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
Okay. Would you rather have to explain to everyone you
meet why you are doing a parasite cleanse or tell
people you're micro dos and mushrooms?
Speaker 2 (44:22):
I mean, the parasite cleans is a funnier conversation. That's
a weird one for me.
Speaker 1 (44:27):
You're like, my stand up routine benefits more from parasite cleansing.
Speaker 2 (44:31):
Correct the micro dose thing. I feel like I'd be
a better salesperson at it because I feel like it
is more in tune with what I would do. Okay,
but I feel like a lot more judgment and negativity
would come yeah, for the wrong reasons, Like I don't.
I think also people will be like, why the fuck
are you doing a parasite cleanse? And I'd be like, well,
this is why. I know it's weird, but I wouldn't
(44:53):
be as embarrassed to talk about Okay, that makes sense,
worried about it. Yeah, so maybe I would say in
this case, parasite.
Speaker 1 (44:59):
Is that I don't think I would be embarrassed to
talk about either.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
I mean that word guarded is probably a little bit
of a better word of it, okay, because I think
that people would just be like, you're a druggie, and
then you're like trying to explain like no, it's plant
medicine and blah blah blah, and then trying to sell
it on them, or it's at least the parasite thing.
They're just like, well, that's some weird trendy craze.
Speaker 1 (45:23):
Like yeah, you know, I love that we act like
we'd be embarrassed to talk about anything, yet we're on
a podcast talking about it, so obviously.
Speaker 2 (45:31):
There's no embarrassing.
Speaker 1 (45:32):
Yeah, there's really not that much. Okay. Would you rather
have perfect gut health but never eat pizza again, or
have perfect skin but never drink wine again?
Speaker 2 (45:41):
Probably the skin.
Speaker 1 (45:44):
The hard thing for me is I don't eat pizza already. Yeah,
I'm like that. I know it's an easy thing for
me to give up. I mean, every now and again,
I will, Like recently my boyfriend I made pizzas at
home and I did this kind of cheese that I
can eat and a gluten free crust, and it was
so good, Like I loved it. But I don't really
(46:05):
need pizza in my life because I've already eliminated it.
So it's an easy Like, I know that's an easy one.
But I've also cut alcohol out before, so I mean,
I know I could do that. I just I want
and I want perfect skins. That's stressed.
Speaker 2 (46:20):
Especially now that I'm aging, is something that I'm paying
a lot more attention to. Yeah, I'm moisturized now.
Speaker 1 (46:26):
It's weird that one's tough for me because I mean,
but I think everything starts in your gut too, and
so even your skin the way that looks. If you
don't have a good gut, that a lot of times
it's going to manifest in your skin. So I don't know,
I'm going pizza on this one.
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Interesting, it's the biggest organ in your body.
Speaker 1 (46:46):
I do know that, which is really interesting when you
think about the product that you put on it every
day and things like that.
Speaker 2 (46:54):
I only use vegan soaps and stuff.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
I try to do as clean as I can too.
It's hard with makeup because as a makeup artist, I'm
not going to lie to people and say that any
sort of natural makeup works the same, Like the chemicals
are what make makeup better. So it's tough because it's like,
there are good natural brands and there's certain products that
(47:17):
I try to use, and if I'm being really honest,
all the ones with the chemicals work better. So it's tough.
It's a tough sell unless you're really dedicated to like
your health is the most important, you know, But if
your beauty is the most important, then the temporary like
you want it right, then that's going to be a
tough sell for me.
Speaker 2 (47:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:38):
Would you rather do an intense mushroom journey in the
jungle with a shaman or spend a week at a
wellness spa with no phone, no sugar, and no caffeine?
You know my answer?
Speaker 2 (47:47):
I feel I'm a I'm going to do that.
Speaker 1 (47:50):
I'm going in the jungle.
Speaker 2 (47:51):
I am going to the jungle too, cause like.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
No phone, no sugar, no caffeine. I mean that's what
we did. I think we could have our phones, but
you try to limit them, and there's definitely spots you
wouldn't use them and stuff no sugar, no caffeine. It's
like I would like to get to a better place
with it, but I know the process. And then I'm
all about like emotional journeys, which that would be what
(48:15):
that is the intense mushroom journey in the jungle with
the shampres.
Speaker 2 (48:18):
Well And I also feel like the wellness spa is
the type of thing that you break the second.
Speaker 1 (48:24):
You leave, you know, I don't think that's some point,
I know.
Speaker 2 (48:28):
But you're much more likely too, like you kind of
go back into your old ways. I'm sure it's amazing
for the week that you're there, and there are residual
effects that you carry with you, but the trip with
a shaman is something that you carry.
Speaker 1 (48:41):
For life and it can change you, like rewire you
for real. Yeah, yes, hopefully both would have that impact.
But yeah, I'm going in the jungle. I think a
lot of people though you'd be surprised at how many
people would be scared of that, Like, are they're scared
to let go of control to like work with something
like a psilocybin to see what comes up and just
(49:03):
be present with that. A lot of people don't like
that idea.
Speaker 2 (49:08):
Well, I mean, a lot of people have trauma in
their lives that they have pushed so far down that
they're a little aware of. But they're also.
Speaker 1 (49:16):
I don't want to deal with that.
Speaker 2 (49:18):
They've lied to themselves so much about it that they
believe their lives, you know, and that's a really scary thing,
like you don't know how that's going to manifest itself,
but also it's eating them from the inside. It's the
best thing that you could ever do to get it out.
Speaker 1 (49:30):
Would you rather take a mystery supplement that could make
you feel amazing or give you explosive diarrhea or a
stick with your same old routine. I'd take the gamble,
you would see. I'm like, I feel pretty good on
the day to day.
Speaker 2 (49:46):
Yeah, I mean, do I have to take it forever?
Like if it gives me diarrhea, I'd stop?
Speaker 1 (49:51):
That's true. They didn't clarify. Yeah, Okay, I don't know.
In mine, I guess it would be like take it
for what do you want to say? A month?
Speaker 2 (50:01):
Yeah? I mean I would try that. Okay, I'll be
farting in diary in and I'll let you work.
Speaker 1 (50:06):
You better get some good candles. Would you rather have
to wear a shirt that says ask me about my
parasites for a week or one that says I love
coffee enemas. That's funny.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
They're both kind of funny.
Speaker 1 (50:24):
I mean they both lead to conversation. I like to
ask me about my parasites because I mean you would
get in some really interesting conversation.
Speaker 2 (50:32):
I think I do. I love coffee animas. Yeah, I
think it's just really funny. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (50:37):
Would you rather go on a fully raw diet for
a month or do water only fast for three days?
Speaker 2 (50:43):
Water only fast for three days?
Speaker 1 (50:45):
Really? See, I would go raw for a month.
Speaker 2 (50:49):
I love water. Can I have ice? Can I chew ice? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (50:53):
But like that's the only thing you're eating?
Speaker 2 (50:55):
Hmm, I would do that.
Speaker 1 (50:56):
Oh God, see I can't the no food. Like when
I was in high school, we used to there was
this church retreat thing we did where it was like
we fasted. I think it was forty eight hours maybe,
and it was to raise money for I can't even
remember the exact cause, no it was I think we
donated it. I think it was to children in like Africa,
(51:18):
but it was a forty eight hour famine or something,
and so it was, you know, to help conquer world
hunger kind of thing, and he raised money for it
and things like that. I would get a migraine every time,
like after the first twelve hours, like my body just
cannot do it. And my boyfriend always comments like, oh
and how much I eat? Like I just am constantly
(51:39):
kind of needing. I don't know if it's my metabolism
or what, but I cannot not do food or it
just really impacts me.
Speaker 2 (51:48):
So yeah, I love water, I love ice, so i'd
I think.
Speaker 1 (51:50):
I'd rather do that, but you'd be so hungry.
Speaker 2 (51:53):
Not if I got that sonic ice machine.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
Okay, okay. Would you rather live with one weird food
allergy forever like garlic or chocolate or have to take
ten supplements a day for life? I mean I do
live with food allergies, so I don't know.
Speaker 2 (52:11):
I also do take ten supplements a day.
Speaker 1 (52:13):
I know, I think I would just take the ten supplements.
Although she made an interesting point because she was like,
you know, you go to these natura paths here and
they're giving you a bunch of supplements, so it's not
a pill per se as like a doctor, a medical
doctor is giving you. But in some ways it's like
another pill to treat another thing, versus like getting our
(52:34):
bodies in line enough to heal themselves into and like
using food as medicine and things like that. And I
was like, that is actually something I've realized the last
year too, because I was going to a naturopath buying
all these supplements all the time. One it gets really expensive.
I do think that that's a better alternative, but it's
kind of the same idea, isn't it, Like, and still
(52:56):
not really going to the root cause all the time,
you're just throwing a pill something.
Speaker 2 (53:01):
I think some of them do go to the root call,
like if you're like, if you have an iron deficiency
and you're taking iron supplements, that's going to a root
cause of something, versus a synthetic drug made in a lab,
which is now these other things are. So that's I mean,
it's like, my my supplements are like vitamin C, vitamin D,
(53:22):
vitamin E, like there a goal.
Speaker 1 (53:25):
Would be though to get that from food and sunlight
and things of that nature versus taking a pill.
Speaker 2 (53:31):
Right, Yeah, I get that.
Speaker 1 (53:33):
That's all. Would you rather have your body text you
every symptom. It's feeling like constant updates or never know
what's going on inside until it's urgent. That's a tough one.
Speaker 2 (53:45):
Tough one. I feel like I get enough texts that
I would just want.
Speaker 1 (53:49):
To one urgency. I'm going every update. But I do
think what would happen eventually is you've been zone out. Yeah,
so then you might miss some of the things that
you need to be paying attention to. But I actually
just love the way bodies work. I think it's fascinating.
So that's why I would lean that way.
Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah. Yeah, I think i'd stop rating them at a
certain point.
Speaker 1 (54:11):
Yeah, anyway, that was interesting. So if you guys took
the quiz with us, email us at the Edge at
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Speaker 1 (54:25):
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