October 17, 2025 • 33 mins
Kelly and Chip unpack Kelly’s recent convo with psychic medium John Edward and his new book Chasing Evil, where he helps the FBI solve real crimes. They share their own experiences with psychics, those uncanny intuitive gut hits, and dive into a bigger conversation about karma and soul lessons—what they actually believe, what they’re questioning, and how it all ties back to the idea that there might be more going on than meets the eye.
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Speaker 1 (00:12):
Chip. This is like, I can't even tell you how
exciting the last this Week's interview was for me. Like
there are probably I don't know that there's many people
who would have made me nerd out so much. And
I was actually like physically nervous to where my voice
was shaking at the beginning of the interview.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I mean, it's like they say, don't meet your heroes
for a reason.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I know, And it's so wild because my literal job
is working with celebrities. So it's not like I get
like starstruck. I really I only get starstruck when I
see people like Dolly Parton, like legends.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You know that I could you I cannot believe that.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, yeah, and just like she's epic, it's Dolly like
people like that. But yeah, it's just different.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You don't you didn't want to feel like a fool
in front of someone whose work you respect in a
different on a difference, Well that's the deal.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It's the work that I respect so much and the
way that he handles the work like ethically and he
talks so openly about it. We're just very aligned on
values too, and so I.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Was just so excited just keep it in your pants
d aligned.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
He's so aligned with me. I don't know, why did
you ask?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
He looks like he's married, you sick, and I'm in
a Relationhis not like that at all. It's more like
for I just was so excited to be able to
collab with him, and yeah, you're just kind of in awe.
I mean, he has such a gift with the way
that he can read people, and he's a medium and
(01:48):
all this stuff. He's such a good writer with all
the books, but just down to earth and cool and
I'm just sort of in all. I don't know, I'm
so excited. That's like who I want. Who I get
really excited to talk to these days. Anyway, we're talking
about John Edward. I guess I should clear the listeners
in on what we're even talking about. But this week
on the podcast, John Edward, who he is very much
(02:12):
in the like public world. He had a show called
crossing Over way back in the day, and if you
guys listen to the Bonnie Hammer episode, you heard her
say that she was the one who really got that
show on the air, like got NBC to sign on
and do that show on the I think it was
on the Sci Fi Network back in the day, which
just goes to show you how they ranked psychic readings.
(02:33):
It was on the Sci Fi Network, right, yeah, and
she really had to fight for him to get that show.
But was so interesting because I had read a book
of his before I did that interview with Bonnie, and
I had reached out via DM but he doesn't respond
to DMS. So I was like, how am I ever
going to get in touch with this guy? I really
want to have him on the podcast. And then there
comes Bonnie the University Universe and just really setting me up,
(02:58):
which was Yeah, it was amazing. So anyway, John Ey.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
He mentioned Laurie Levine, who was a talent booker on the.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
He yeah, I know her.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh what she There's a moment where he said that
he had to cancel an interview with Joan Rivers because
he had watched her like Hollywood True Story, and so
he had too much information to go into her reading
because he wanted to know less about her and.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
See what I'm saying about the ethics. You see what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
And he was like, yeah, I had to call my
talent book for Laurie Levine, and he like so off
handily said it, and I was like, that name's so familiar,
and I looked her up. Yeah, she's at a company
called Flying Television. Oh yeah, so what a small world.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So no, truly, I thought.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It was funny because you also in the podcast talk
about all these like the domino effect of how it
even happened. And then I'm like, oh, well, there's the
way that we could have gotten too him. It was through
Lorie Levine.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, And I gotta tell you, the hits keep on
coming with the synchronicities with me and him, because then
he's been out promoting the book Chasing You, which we're
going to talk about in a second. And I was
in New York last week with a client on Kelly Clarkson. Well,
I literally am leaving the show, like I left Kelly
Clarkson to go straight to the airport because I had
(04:10):
to get back to Nashville for a gig. And I
see that he has posted because I'm on his app
called Evolved Plus. Now he's posted from Kelly Clarkson. He
was literally at the show the same time I was
on the same day being interviewed. I don't know how
we didn't see each other because it's like so small
in this game.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, how did you not even see like the placard
on his door?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I don't know. I saw Ethan Hawke and like that
was a weird I had like an interesting interaction with him.
But he's also one of those people that you can't
believe as a real person because you've grown up watching
him on stuff, you know, So it's a very surreal experience.
But no, I missed John Edward. I could not believe it, though, Like,
what are the that you're.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Friends with him? You can be like, sorry, I missed you.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well, I emailed him and I was like, you're never
gonna believe this, not as like oh my god as
I was. He was like he was like, yeah, bitch, I.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
That's the thing. Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So this is another point about why I think I
was so nervous at the beginning. You know, when you
do interviews, and obviously when we come on the podcast,
you try to be as professional and as prepared as
you can, and so you're doing a conversation, and I
do like to keep these podcasts very conversational and real,
so I do think I lean more that way. But
(05:24):
I'm also prepared. It's not like I just show up
and just chat and so with this one, though obviously
I wanted it to be great and I wanted to
do a good interview, but I also was like, can
he read that I'm nervous right now? And like, like
you start to really get in your head about him,
knowing even if you're acting very professional and put together
on the outside, that you're about to lose your shit
(05:46):
on the inside. Like I thought, there's nowhere to hide
from John Edward. He just knows everything. Yeah, he's omnipresent,
is what it feels like.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Could you imagine being married to him?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
No, you could never get away or like his kid
think of about his kids trying to get away with
stuff and like trick their parents, you.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Know, when they're at an age where they don't understand
what psychic is.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
He's like, my god said, you're lying. Yeah. Anyway, it's
super fascinating to talk to him. He's a fascinating human.
I really respect him, as you guys can probably tell.
But we talked a little bit about just psychic stuff
in general, and I wanted to talk a little bit
about that with you first, because that's a world that
I know you've heard me talk about for years and
(06:30):
some other friends of ours. But for you, you've just said, like,
I just haven't really dabbled. It's not really this world
that I'm comfortable with. And you were saying, I just
don't know. I know, he says, everyone's got like intuition
and stuff, but I don't know that it resonates for me.
So talk a little bit about what you were telling
me about that.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, I mean, I have been too mediums before and
experienced like what they're able to do. But the idea
that like everyone has it in them, what is it?
He said something like their mediums are born, not made,
and being psychic and having intuition are essentially the same thing.
It's just how much you are able to like sort
(07:10):
of trust your intuition and read into.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And I certainly have had like moments in my life
that I can look at and be like, I knew it,
I knew what my gut was telling me.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I fucking knew it. I knew it. I knew it.
I knew it.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
But I also think that the part of my personality
that is just open and accepting and loving and wants
to believe the best in everyone has more control over
my overall being than I allow my gut to. That
sort of prevents me from like it even feeling like
(07:44):
a realistic thing that I ever might like have any
of those powers. I'm also non confrontational, so it's a
lot easier for me to accept things for the way
that I want to believe them than it is to
be like that bitch is a line and like just
calling somebody out. So it's easier for me just to
laugh things off. But you were telling me that in
(08:05):
terms of my astrology.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Right, Oh my god, I love that you just transition
into that.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I got my pisces up in here, I got some
scorpio up in here somewhere on my roof. I don't
know where you said it is in my house, but.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It's in your top three. So chip is a sun scorpio,
Pisce's moon scorpio rising. So it's literally what I was
saying to you is those are two of the most
psychic placements or signs, and you have them in your
top three, defining your personality a lot, you know, and
so you should be one of the more intuitive or
(08:41):
that's one of the more like most intuitive readings that
I've seen I mean as far as like water placements
in general, they say are way more tapped in because
we feel everything, Like, right, if you walk into a room,
you're probably gonna sense the energy of the room ahead
of time. But you said, I just wonder if I'm
not tapped in, And I actually think that that's interesting,
(09:03):
especially thinking back to like our Enneagram conversation a couple
of weeks ago. And you have your seven, right, and
so a seven doesn't really want to like sit and
dive deep into stuff, which it would take for you
to tap into your intuition, Like you have to sit
in quiet probably and like learn how to work with
it and stuff like that, meditate, do all those kind
(09:23):
of things. And I don't know that you sit enough
to give yourself that space.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But you look a while back to our Andrea conversation
last week, that's true.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Need to put it in my calendar.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Let yourself be bored, yeah, yep, into your intuition, yeah,
or put it in your calendar to really start trying
to listen to your body. But yeah, it's just interesting
that you could have such wiring for that and not
really feel like you're intuitive at all.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean, I've definitely.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
There have been, like I said, moments where I'm like,
I fucking knew I knew it, Or there are times
when I'm like in a group setting, I'll pick up
that's some one's energy is really off when seemingly no
one else is noticing it. Then I try to like
placate that person in a way or try to make
them happier or whatever it is, or you know, try
(10:12):
to make like just be a little bit more sensitive
to how they're feeling. But I've never thought of that
as psychic. I just thought I've always thought of it
as like, oh, everyone else is too drunk to like
be picking up what this person's putting down, or or
I'll catch the way that something is said and see
how it's received by somebody. But I've never thought about
that as like psychic, just more observant than anything.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I guess, Yeah, psychic is I think a late word
that when it's given as the label, a lot of
people check out pretty quickly. It's the same as you
witch doctor exactly. It's so woo woo, And it's similar
to how I think you the second essay, well, in
your astrology, you're like, lu, what is she talking? About.
So it's a similar thing to me, whereas you use
(10:57):
the word intuition, that maybe you could relate a little
bit more or identify it more, because what you just
said is exactly what I was talking about, and I
think maybe you're just not giving it the label of oh,
I'm sensing, I intuiting even like those moments, You're right,
not everybody is going to pick up on that or
(11:17):
even notice it or anything like that. And so those
are the things that you're picking up on in a
social setting or being around other people intuitively, but you
don't have to say psychic. That's why I asked him
at the beginning of the podcast, like the difference between
people having a strong psychic knowing or intuition versus people
who should actually do readings right, because I find I know,
(11:39):
I'm an intuitive human, but I don't think I should
be doing readings for people. I tell people sometimes when
I like sense things, but I'm never like, oh my god,
I'm sensing this for you, and you know, let me
offer up this tidbit about your life or right right, yeah,
being that I feel like I'm sensing for you or
anything like that, Like I don't think that that's how
(12:00):
hasn't been in my skill set so far.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Not to keep throwing it back to last week's but
like the chaos in my life, the last thing I
need is to.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Start hearing voices and spirit guides. And that's just.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Like being a medium, right, Like I just don't need
to dead people.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, I don't. I don't need any of that.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Like I don't need a sixth cent. I'm good with
the five.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Sometimes I wish that I only had four.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Well, John came on the podcast to talk about his
new book, Chasing Evil, which was so good. I told
him I listened in two days and it goes by
so fast. But if you're a person who enjoys like
a dateline or anything like that, I highly, highly highly
recommend this book or just anything suspenseful in general. Like
you want to keep listening because you're trying to figure
(12:57):
out are they going to solve these cases? But he
basically worked with a FBI agent for twenty plus years
helping him solve murder mysteries, and they solved a bunch
of them that I'm not sure the FBI would have
ever solved without John. Like, it's fascinating when you listen
to the book, the tidbits that he was giving were
(13:18):
the things that would make them find the body or
help them know what the killer was doing and things
like that. And it's I always wondered, before even having
this conversation with him, why wouldn't the police or the
FBI or anybody like that use someone like a John
to solve these mysteries often? Yeah, like why is that
(13:38):
not a thing? It seems like it should be a thing.
So I'm glad that he's putting it out because maybe
that is something we need in our society to be
more acceptable. Because he said he didn't talk about it
forever because the FBI agent Robert Hillan or Bob Hillan,
and even his dad, John's dad, who was a cop,
were like, don't bring that into the police world, like
(14:01):
cops will not get this psychic thing, you know, and
they were very skeptical. So it was very interesting to
hear the change that happened throughout the book with Bob's
experience with John and him actually helping and like how
they evolve together. It's really it's really really good. It
becomes like almost a spiritual book. But it starts as
(14:22):
like dateline and then into spirit which is all the
combination of things. So it's just interesting to see how
you can use intuitive knowings and all of those spiritual
things that we're working on in tangible ways in this life.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well, I mean, look, I think the proof of concept
will help with pushing that forward. And obviously to solve
a crime you have to have hard evidence too. It
can't just be like well, Gina over here says that
she thinks that so clearly, whatever his intuitions were that
were leading them, they were finding like real evidence that
(14:58):
would support the story. And I mean, having not listened
to the book, I'm sort of speaking out of my ass,
but like I would imagine if they kept coming back
to him and he was able to do it over
and over and over again, there was tangible things that
were oh yeah, evidence that could be used in court
to solve the crime.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah. I mean, it's crazy to me that that's not
more of a thing I wondered.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
You know, when we were growing up, there was like
Miss Cleo and all that shit that was on television,
the rap that people that have psychic abilities must have
because of the clowns like that that were just trying
to profit off of people's curiosities and they're just kind
of telling people what they want to hear and profiting.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Off of it.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
She got busted for being legit, and so I think
that probably did add to people's skepticism. But then and
when John did his show Crossing Over, I think he
got a lot of hate and a lot of skeptics
and a lot of people being just mean and rude
about what he was doing and not believing in it.
But he's still stood strong and moved forward, and now
(16:03):
he's got multiple books and all the things. I actually
watched him on a live on that the Evolved Plus
app last night and he did a reading for someone.
It was wild to watch. I mean, he just immediately
was talking to her dead sister and things like that,
which I know sounds scary to people. But and the
first time I there's a guy in Nashville called Frank Castellano.
(16:27):
Is that Frank Lesson? Yeah? Yeah, he's both seen Frank, Yeah,
the Spirit chrystalis and I've Frank's actually been on the podcast.
I forgot that. Actually, this was when I first started
the podcast, and the second I walked in, I was
very skeptical. I was like, oh, let's see what this
is about. This is before I kind of got on
my own spiritual journey and my grandfather had just crossed
(16:48):
over and came through and this stuff. He was saying, like,
that's where people go, oh, well, he could just google that.
There's no way it was a characteristics and personality traits
of my grandfather that there's no way he would find
that information anywhere unless he knew my grandfather, you know.
And so I immediately started sobbing and just kind of
bought in after that because it's like, well, there's no
(17:12):
way he could know that. And it definitely started to
feel like, you know, I was with my grandfather very
near his death, and so it definitely started to feel
like we were connected energetically. Now I have a whole
nother understanding of it, and I feel it all the time.
But yeah, I can see why At first for people
it's bizarre, and then when you actually have an instance
like what I was talking about last night, and then
(17:34):
my experience where there's just no way that they could
know that, it does have you going Okay, well there's
got to be something to this.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I had a very similar experience with Frank, and trust me,
it's like I'm one of those people that wants to
poke holes in things.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Well I did too.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I mean, I want to believe it, but I also
want to poke holes. I mean maybe that's the end
to it and make you know, like I want to
like be trusting my gut too.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's very SiO of you.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
He said things about both of my grandparents and I'm like,
no one would know. Yeah, but he talked about my
grandfather fixing watches. That is not something that you could find.
First of all, there's nothing about my grandfather except for
his name, and you know his obituary at this point
on the internet, so good luck googling his life.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And then he said something.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
He brought up something about my grandmother that never had
occurred to me, but when he said it, it made
me burst into tears. Like he was like, your grandmother
was kind, she loved everyone. She was like, you know,
the kind of grandmother that baked. But your grandmother never baked.
It made me think, like, no, Mama never baked. She
made fudge, that was it.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, she never baked, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Which I thought was I mean, look, could that have
been a lucky thing?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Absolutely? But I feel like most grandma's probably baked.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, well, and it's the way. I mean with my grandfather,
it was he would talk so specifically about the way
he screwed in a light bulb, and if you knew
anything about my grandfather, it was so spot on. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. It's like the personality pieces. I
think this in this day and age, we're so skeptical
because people can google anything and figure out, you know,
(19:07):
things about you. But our grandparents were before that time,
so that wasn't the case. One of the other things
we talked about from that book was because you know,
intuition is a big part of it, but then there's
also this like karmic piece of the justice piece, and
John and I both have so much libra in our chart,
(19:28):
and so we talked about how tricky it can be
when you have this knowing and just having to sit
in that or with him. It was like knowing that
someone had been murdered terribly but like he hadn't been
given the way to make it right, or there was
this one person that maybe they weren't gonna find, you know,
and there's just all of these things like this battle
(19:49):
of justice. Do you have that thing in you like
I don't know that you have it like I have it.
I have an experienced I don't think.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I don't think I do.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I mean, I can't think of an example where I
could point to that where I've experienced it.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
What do you think about karma? What do you think
about karma?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I want to believe in karma because I do think
that people that do bad things, like I just it's
all We're all energy, you know, So if you're putting
bad energy back into the world, I would hope that
it comes back into Maaxhew in the face in the
same way that if you are doing kind things for
people and that's the energy you're putting out.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
In the world, that you'll be repaid with that.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Like and I don't know if that's just me being Pollyanna,
but like maybe that's what like drives me to be
kind and so I need that, you know, sort of
recipe of my life.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
But I think it's real.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I mean, I feel like I won't say the term
that I've used for myself, but I've also I've often
like asked my friends, like why am I so lucky?
You know, Like, what's the joke that's being played on
me that I got this life, and I think that's
it's I think the only explanation is good karma.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Well, so I have a lot of things to say
to all this of you said about what I think
about this, and so this is just my interpretation. But
I think that my new understanding of karma is different
from where I was with it because I used to
be so scared, like, oh my god, anytime anything negative
in my life would happen, I would feel like it
(21:28):
was punishment for something, like to look at it as
the very like the judge and jury, just like the
mean God. Like. I just used to feel that way
a lot, and I've really shifted my narrative on that stuff.
But I look at karma now as more of like
the universe is always going to be working to balance,
and like we talk about it in our day to
day life. We talked about it when we were talking
(21:48):
about Andrea the other day, like or last week, that
we're constantly kind of working to find this like balance
in our life and it never stops. But I think
the universe is doing the same thing too, you and
I don't think it ever stops. So if you don't
get that balance in this lifetime, I believe that it
would carry over into other lifetimes you live. And when
(22:10):
you're saying, like, why am I so lucky? Why do
I get this life? I don't know that you haven't
had hard lives before this. It's like, this lifetime is great.
And I say that all the time too. I'm like,
there's been some hardships in my life, for sure, but
I like this life, and so it's gonna be sad
when my soul leaves this body in this life because
(22:32):
it's great, you know, like, there's so many things that
I love about this life. But I think it comes
with knowing that, yeah, there were some that weren't great,
and there's other ones that might be hard in the future,
but it's all about the lessons that our soul is
trying to learn. And so that's where the karma piece
comes in, because if we were acting a fool and
(22:55):
being cruel to all these people, like the reason it
would come back to you is so that you learn
what that feels like when you treat other people that way,
so that hopefully as you evolve, you're like, I don't
want to do that to them because it feels like
shit because I felt it now, so you create empathy, right,
the older we get as souls. I think that the
(23:16):
more empathy we come into this world with because we've
lived so many lifetimes as the asshole, as the fuck up,
as the whatever, the odd man out, and we don't
want to make other people feel that way. That's my
interpretation of that.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I mean, I think it's really interesting because it's also
like I I believe that people often hurt other people
when they're not meaning to, and so well, you know,
it's not intentional always to be an asshole. You're just
you're being selfish and it hurts other people and it
was like a result of like not even thinking. So
(23:53):
it's the universe's way of teaching that lesson to be
like yo, man, like stop being so fucking selfish like this.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
This is what you're going to get. So you know
what it feels like, Oh.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You're saying later when if they would get to h when.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Karma does come back around, Like, look, do I believe
that there is real evil in the world and people
that are making choices to like harm others and to
make other people feel like shit? Yes, But I don't
think that every time that you harm somebody else or
hurt somebody else that it's not accidental, because I believe
that we all do make mistakes and we only hurt
(24:25):
each other. But that is in those moments, that's what
karma comes back around to teach you.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It helps me to think about it too, in that
that makes me feel more connected to everyone's journey, even
the people who I feel, you know, in this lifetime,
I've been like, they've treated me so bad, and how
how are they not getting theirs? First of all, I
don't know that they're not, Like I don't really know.
There's the people in my life that didn't treat me
well are no longer in my life, So who knows
(24:54):
what's happening in their life Because you can't judge by
social media. We have no idea, So they may be
balancing out in ways that I have no idea. And
it doesn't necessarily mean if they wronged me that I'm
going to wrong them back. And that's how karma works.
It's like there will get the lesson, though at some
point will they accept it in this lifetime maybe not,
like I may never see it, you know, it might
(25:15):
be the next lifetime that they get the lesson and
they're like understanding how terrible certain actions make people feel,
like what you're saying, and I do think it's unintentional sometimes,
But the karma coming back to you is the teacher,
like you said, it's the aha moment of Oh, I
should be paying more attention to this action because now
(25:36):
that I'm on the other side of it, I see
how it makes people feel.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, I mean, look, karma is a bit like there's
a reason why that that statement.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I think it's.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Also a gift though. It keeps us in check. It
keeps you in check of just not becoming a total
human monster, right, because if we didn't have karma, would
we ever treat people nicely? Like we would just be
where about ourselves?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Well, there's I mean, I mean, there's always consequences for
your actions. So I think consequences stop us from being
complete ship.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Bags all the time.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
But karma isn't always instant, you know, where a lot
of times a consequence is instant, Like you punch somebody
on the playground, you're getting suspended.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, But the karma is when you know slow burn.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah, You're you're walking down the street and a car
hits you and breaks your leg, you know, and you're like, oh, well, fuck.
I do think consequences keep us in check a little bit.
But karma is like, it's just it's sneaky, you know,
And I think it will come back around when you're
at least expecting it, but when the message is the
most clear.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Right, the more we say the word karma, all I
can think is karma is a cat.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
That is karma coming around for Taylor Swift right now.
It's very weird.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Is just getting so much hate this is such a way.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I think it's because the expectations were different.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You know, like, so that's so unfair.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
But at the same time, she's going to sell four
million records in the first week, like she's going to
break a record like, so, I mean, I think the
I think the hate is coming. The reason why I
have negativity towards her is because she is just milking
these fans for every fucking dollar what so she can
break a record?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Like how about make a better record? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Oh so you don't like it either.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I think it's boring, you know, like in my I.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Laugh had it on and I've been listening and I said.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It's fine, is all it is. I expected more.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
From producing albums since she was like thirteen, Like, I
get it. I know the amount of content she has
given people through the years. I'm like, I get it,
but then stop a single piece. Yeah, pause for a minute.
She could have pause, But I like it, like some
of the songs. And I said to our friend Courtney,
I was like, maybe it's because I'm in love too
right now, Like just so you know, in my face
(27:56):
love that when I hear some of these songs that
fans are so annoyed, I'm just singing along right with her,
just in my cheesy love phase.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Maybe that I felt like lyrically it just did not
add up, and like the song would about Travis's penis
is just.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
But I would have never picked up on that Beano.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Ca Arnie, like I think she's trying to be Sabrina Carpenter.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Anyway, We digress, We digress.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
But I do think it was karma coming around because
I think she's taken too much money from too many people.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
She also, I don't know whatever, she gives a lot,
she's a lot away and I don't know that I
feel like she's fully doing that. But whatever, I don't
know her personally, so well.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I knew something was coming.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I was like, there's no way she's just dropping twelve songs,
and then yesterday she dropped you can listen to her demos.
She's selling the demos for twenty four hours, got it?
You know it's just to get to the sales record,
you know.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, everybody's doing that. Well. I talked about so many
different things with John. I feel like we could go
on and on, but if you guys haven't listened to
that podcast, he talked a lot about like protecting your
energy and just more of tapping into your own intuition.
And we did break down the book as well. So
I just am obsessed with him. If you can't tell,
(29:12):
I'm pretty sure everyone can tell. I'm a huge fan.
He also gave a code for you guys if you
want to join the Evolved plus app, it's Cookie twenty
twenty five. You do it on your desktop and it
gives you a really, really big discount. If you want
to go check that out. I'm loving it. It took
me a minute to figure out how to work it,
and like to kind of surfit. It's different than other
(29:35):
scrolling apps or whatever, but they do a lot of
lives I just want it to be a very helpful
community and it's basically like what we're doing here as
far as topic wise, but they actually, you know, they
have these lives or you can go talk to the
people about it and you can talk to each other.
And I just I'm loving a community like that that is.
That's the kind of social media app I want where
(29:56):
we talk about this kind of spiritual stuff. We're analyzing
life like you and I do every week, and we're
actually trying to better ourselves and evolve, versus just tearing
people down and doing all the things that I'm saying
this on the heels of us analystic Taylor.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Or we're not it wasn't Yeah, yeah, true.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
That's interesting because maybe that's the future of social media.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I do.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I do think when it started it was about it
was meant to bring people together for common experiences, but
it became just a cesspool of everybody, whereas maybe it
needs to be more niche like, music lovers go here,
film lovers go I mean, and I know that some
of these things exist already, but like, maybe we don't
need to be on the wane. I think so many
of us wanted to like feel popular well, it's.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Like, there's billions of people in this world. How do
we think that we were just all going to be aligned?
You know, like everyone has different life experiences. So go
find the fact that I'm on a group text right
now and I'm getting a text from you. Did you
forget it? Then I'm on that.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Hey, you're looking at your text too.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I am not. I got a notification saying Chip Doors
just texted you, and I'm like, no, he fucking didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You did not You didn't know I was doing it?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, I saw you tight, But you're so delusional about
your ability to do more than once. I can't double
task or whatever. My god, but you cannot single task
either because you can't focus. It's wild. Okay, Chip and
I are obviously going to need to go have a chat.
We will not make the listeners listen through that, but
(31:35):
you guys can always keep in touch with us at
the Edge at velvestedge dot com. I will put a
link to Chasing Evil and also put the Evolved plus
code in the description of this podcast. Go check out
all Things John Edward. Maybe you'll be as obsessed as me.
He's such seems like such a solid deal.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I'm definitely listening to that book.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I think you need to. I hope you do, and
then you'll have to report back to us. I mean,
I'm telling you I did it in two days. It
was so fast for me because I couldn't turn it off.
I think I might have done one point five. I
do everything kind of a little bit faster, just because
it's they It takes away basically the spaces, but it
(32:11):
goes by so fast because you want to know what's
going to happen. You know, they leave you on a cliffhanger.
It's like binging a show basically. Anyway, check out Chasing Evil.
It's very good. You can also slide into my DMS.
I'm at Velvet's.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Edge Chip, I'm at Chip doorsh's h I P D
O R S C H.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
And our podcast Instagram is growing Chip and it's at
Velvet's Edge, So you guys go follow us along on
that as well. Velvet Touch Pod, isn't it Vetuch podcast?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Oh you just said Velvet Edge?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Oh, well that's mine. Our joint podcast Instagram is at
Velvet's Edge podcast. Guys, Freudian Slip. I'm just trying to
get followers myself.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Karma's gonna come for you. Bitch.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Karma is just kidding. I'm just kidding, Universe. Okay. Anyway,
all of that will be in the description of this podcast.
So as you guys go into the weekend and you're
living on the edge, I hope you always remember too.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Bye casual, Bye bye
Chip. This is like, I can't even tell you how
exciting the last this Week's interview was for me. Like
there are probably I don't know that there's many people
who would have made me nerd out so much. And
I was actually like physically nervous to where my voice
was shaking at the beginning of the interview.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
I mean, it's like they say, don't meet your heroes
for a reason.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
I know, And it's so wild because my literal job
is working with celebrities. So it's not like I get
like starstruck. I really I only get starstruck when I
see people like Dolly Parton, like legends.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
You know that I could you I cannot believe that.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah, yeah, and just like she's epic, it's Dolly like
people like that. But yeah, it's just different.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
You don't you didn't want to feel like a fool
in front of someone whose work you respect in a
different on a difference, Well that's the deal.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
It's the work that I respect so much and the
way that he handles the work like ethically and he
talks so openly about it. We're just very aligned on
values too, and so I.
Speaker 3 (01:16):
Was just so excited just keep it in your pants
d aligned.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
He's so aligned with me. I don't know, why did
you ask?
Speaker 1 (01:28):
He looks like he's married, you sick, and I'm in
a Relationhis not like that at all. It's more like
for I just was so excited to be able to
collab with him, and yeah, you're just kind of in awe.
I mean, he has such a gift with the way
that he can read people, and he's a medium and
(01:48):
all this stuff. He's such a good writer with all
the books, but just down to earth and cool and
I'm just sort of in all. I don't know, I'm
so excited. That's like who I want. Who I get
really excited to talk to these days. Anyway, we're talking
about John Edward. I guess I should clear the listeners
in on what we're even talking about. But this week
on the podcast, John Edward, who he is very much
(02:12):
in the like public world. He had a show called
crossing Over way back in the day, and if you
guys listen to the Bonnie Hammer episode, you heard her
say that she was the one who really got that
show on the air, like got NBC to sign on
and do that show on the I think it was
on the Sci Fi Network back in the day, which
just goes to show you how they ranked psychic readings.
(02:33):
It was on the Sci Fi Network, right, yeah, and
she really had to fight for him to get that show.
But was so interesting because I had read a book
of his before I did that interview with Bonnie, and
I had reached out via DM but he doesn't respond
to DMS. So I was like, how am I ever
going to get in touch with this guy? I really
want to have him on the podcast. And then there
comes Bonnie the University Universe and just really setting me up,
(02:58):
which was Yeah, it was amazing. So anyway, John Ey.
Speaker 3 (03:01):
He mentioned Laurie Levine, who was a talent booker on the.
Speaker 2 (03:06):
He yeah, I know her.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Oh what she There's a moment where he said that
he had to cancel an interview with Joan Rivers because
he had watched her like Hollywood True Story, and so
he had too much information to go into her reading
because he wanted to know less about her and.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
See what I'm saying about the ethics. You see what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (03:27):
And he was like, yeah, I had to call my
talent book for Laurie Levine, and he like so off
handily said it, and I was like, that name's so familiar,
and I looked her up. Yeah, she's at a company
called Flying Television. Oh yeah, so what a small world.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
So no, truly, I thought.
Speaker 3 (03:41):
It was funny because you also in the podcast talk
about all these like the domino effect of how it
even happened. And then I'm like, oh, well, there's the
way that we could have gotten too him. It was through
Lorie Levine.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Yeah, And I gotta tell you, the hits keep on
coming with the synchronicities with me and him, because then
he's been out promoting the book Chasing You, which we're
going to talk about in a second. And I was
in New York last week with a client on Kelly Clarkson. Well,
I literally am leaving the show, like I left Kelly
Clarkson to go straight to the airport because I had
(04:10):
to get back to Nashville for a gig. And I
see that he has posted because I'm on his app
called Evolved Plus. Now he's posted from Kelly Clarkson. He
was literally at the show the same time I was
on the same day being interviewed. I don't know how
we didn't see each other because it's like so small
in this game.
Speaker 2 (04:28):
Yeah, how did you not even see like the placard
on his door?
Speaker 1 (04:32):
I don't know. I saw Ethan Hawke and like that
was a weird I had like an interesting interaction with him.
But he's also one of those people that you can't
believe as a real person because you've grown up watching
him on stuff, you know, So it's a very surreal experience.
But no, I missed John Edward. I could not believe it, though, Like,
what are the that you're.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Friends with him? You can be like, sorry, I missed you.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Well, I emailed him and I was like, you're never
gonna believe this, not as like oh my god as
I was. He was like he was like, yeah, bitch, I.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
That's the thing. Okay.
Speaker 1 (05:03):
So this is another point about why I think I
was so nervous at the beginning. You know, when you
do interviews, and obviously when we come on the podcast,
you try to be as professional and as prepared as
you can, and so you're doing a conversation, and I
do like to keep these podcasts very conversational and real,
so I do think I lean more that way. But
(05:24):
I'm also prepared. It's not like I just show up
and just chat and so with this one, though obviously
I wanted it to be great and I wanted to
do a good interview, but I also was like, can
he read that I'm nervous right now? And like, like
you start to really get in your head about him,
knowing even if you're acting very professional and put together
on the outside, that you're about to lose your shit
(05:46):
on the inside. Like I thought, there's nowhere to hide
from John Edward. He just knows everything. Yeah, he's omnipresent,
is what it feels like.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Could you imagine being married to him?
Speaker 1 (05:56):
No, you could never get away or like his kid
think of about his kids trying to get away with
stuff and like trick their parents, you.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
Know, when they're at an age where they don't understand
what psychic is.
Speaker 1 (06:08):
He's like, my god said, you're lying. Yeah. Anyway, it's
super fascinating to talk to him. He's a fascinating human.
I really respect him, as you guys can probably tell.
But we talked a little bit about just psychic stuff
in general, and I wanted to talk a little bit
about that with you first, because that's a world that
I know you've heard me talk about for years and
(06:30):
some other friends of ours. But for you, you've just said, like,
I just haven't really dabbled. It's not really this world
that I'm comfortable with. And you were saying, I just
don't know. I know, he says, everyone's got like intuition
and stuff, but I don't know that it resonates for me.
So talk a little bit about what you were telling
me about that.
Speaker 3 (06:46):
Well, I mean, I have been too mediums before and
experienced like what they're able to do. But the idea
that like everyone has it in them, what is it?
He said something like their mediums are born, not made,
and being psychic and having intuition are essentially the same thing.
It's just how much you are able to like sort
(07:10):
of trust your intuition and read into.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
It and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
And I certainly have had like moments in my life
that I can look at and be like, I knew it,
I knew what my gut was telling me.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
I fucking knew it. I knew it. I knew it.
I knew it.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
But I also think that the part of my personality
that is just open and accepting and loving and wants
to believe the best in everyone has more control over
my overall being than I allow my gut to. That
sort of prevents me from like it even feeling like
(07:44):
a realistic thing that I ever might like have any
of those powers. I'm also non confrontational, so it's a
lot easier for me to accept things for the way
that I want to believe them than it is to
be like that bitch is a line and like just
calling somebody out. So it's easier for me just to
laugh things off. But you were telling me that in
(08:05):
terms of my astrology.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Right, Oh my god, I love that you just transition
into that.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
I got my pisces up in here, I got some
scorpio up in here somewhere on my roof. I don't
know where you said it is in my house, but.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
It's in your top three. So chip is a sun scorpio,
Pisce's moon scorpio rising. So it's literally what I was
saying to you is those are two of the most
psychic placements or signs, and you have them in your
top three, defining your personality a lot, you know, and
so you should be one of the more intuitive or
(08:41):
that's one of the more like most intuitive readings that
I've seen I mean as far as like water placements
in general, they say are way more tapped in because
we feel everything, Like, right, if you walk into a room,
you're probably gonna sense the energy of the room ahead
of time. But you said, I just wonder if I'm
not tapped in, And I actually think that that's interesting,
(09:03):
especially thinking back to like our Enneagram conversation a couple
of weeks ago. And you have your seven, right, and
so a seven doesn't really want to like sit and
dive deep into stuff, which it would take for you
to tap into your intuition, Like you have to sit
in quiet probably and like learn how to work with
it and stuff like that, meditate, do all those kind
(09:23):
of things. And I don't know that you sit enough
to give yourself that space.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
But you look a while back to our Andrea conversation
last week, that's true.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
Need to put it in my calendar.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Let yourself be bored, yeah, yep, into your intuition, yeah,
or put it in your calendar to really start trying
to listen to your body. But yeah, it's just interesting
that you could have such wiring for that and not
really feel like you're intuitive at all.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Yeah, I mean, I've definitely.
Speaker 3 (09:50):
There have been, like I said, moments where I'm like,
I fucking knew I knew it, Or there are times
when I'm like in a group setting, I'll pick up
that's some one's energy is really off when seemingly no
one else is noticing it. Then I try to like
placate that person in a way or try to make
them happier or whatever it is, or you know, try
(10:12):
to make like just be a little bit more sensitive
to how they're feeling. But I've never thought of that
as psychic. I just thought I've always thought of it
as like, oh, everyone else is too drunk to like
be picking up what this person's putting down, or or
I'll catch the way that something is said and see
how it's received by somebody. But I've never thought about
that as like psychic, just more observant than anything.
Speaker 1 (10:35):
I guess, Yeah, psychic is I think a late word
that when it's given as the label, a lot of
people check out pretty quickly. It's the same as you
witch doctor exactly. It's so woo woo, And it's similar
to how I think you the second essay, well, in
your astrology, you're like, lu, what is she talking? About.
So it's a similar thing to me, whereas you use
(10:57):
the word intuition, that maybe you could relate a little
bit more or identify it more, because what you just
said is exactly what I was talking about, and I
think maybe you're just not giving it the label of oh,
I'm sensing, I intuiting even like those moments, You're right,
not everybody is going to pick up on that or
(11:17):
even notice it or anything like that. And so those
are the things that you're picking up on in a
social setting or being around other people intuitively, but you
don't have to say psychic. That's why I asked him
at the beginning of the podcast, like the difference between
people having a strong psychic knowing or intuition versus people
who should actually do readings right, because I find I know,
(11:39):
I'm an intuitive human, but I don't think I should
be doing readings for people. I tell people sometimes when
I like sense things, but I'm never like, oh my god,
I'm sensing this for you, and you know, let me
offer up this tidbit about your life or right right, yeah,
being that I feel like I'm sensing for you or
anything like that, Like I don't think that that's how
(12:00):
hasn't been in my skill set so far.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Not to keep throwing it back to last week's but
like the chaos in my life, the last thing I
need is to.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Start hearing voices and spirit guides. And that's just.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
Like being a medium, right, Like I just don't need
to dead people.
Speaker 2 (12:24):
Yeah, I don't. I don't need any of that.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
Like I don't need a sixth cent. I'm good with
the five.
Speaker 2 (12:31):
Sometimes I wish that I only had four.
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Well, John came on the podcast to talk about his
new book, Chasing Evil, which was so good. I told
him I listened in two days and it goes by
so fast. But if you're a person who enjoys like
a dateline or anything like that, I highly, highly highly
recommend this book or just anything suspenseful in general. Like
you want to keep listening because you're trying to figure
(12:57):
out are they going to solve these cases? But he
basically worked with a FBI agent for twenty plus years
helping him solve murder mysteries, and they solved a bunch
of them that I'm not sure the FBI would have
ever solved without John. Like, it's fascinating when you listen
to the book, the tidbits that he was giving were
(13:18):
the things that would make them find the body or
help them know what the killer was doing and things
like that. And it's I always wondered, before even having
this conversation with him, why wouldn't the police or the
FBI or anybody like that use someone like a John
to solve these mysteries often? Yeah, like why is that
(13:38):
not a thing? It seems like it should be a thing.
So I'm glad that he's putting it out because maybe
that is something we need in our society to be
more acceptable. Because he said he didn't talk about it
forever because the FBI agent Robert Hillan or Bob Hillan,
and even his dad, John's dad, who was a cop,
were like, don't bring that into the police world, like
(14:01):
cops will not get this psychic thing, you know, and
they were very skeptical. So it was very interesting to
hear the change that happened throughout the book with Bob's
experience with John and him actually helping and like how
they evolve together. It's really it's really really good. It
becomes like almost a spiritual book. But it starts as
(14:22):
like dateline and then into spirit which is all the
combination of things. So it's just interesting to see how
you can use intuitive knowings and all of those spiritual
things that we're working on in tangible ways in this life.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Well, I mean, look, I think the proof of concept
will help with pushing that forward. And obviously to solve
a crime you have to have hard evidence too. It
can't just be like well, Gina over here says that
she thinks that so clearly, whatever his intuitions were that
were leading them, they were finding like real evidence that
(14:58):
would support the story. And I mean, having not listened
to the book, I'm sort of speaking out of my ass,
but like I would imagine if they kept coming back
to him and he was able to do it over
and over and over again, there was tangible things that
were oh yeah, evidence that could be used in court
to solve the crime.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Yeah. I mean, it's crazy to me that that's not
more of a thing I wondered.
Speaker 3 (15:20):
You know, when we were growing up, there was like
Miss Cleo and all that shit that was on television,
the rap that people that have psychic abilities must have
because of the clowns like that that were just trying
to profit off of people's curiosities and they're just kind
of telling people what they want to hear and profiting.
Speaker 2 (15:40):
Off of it.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
She got busted for being legit, and so I think
that probably did add to people's skepticism. But then and
when John did his show Crossing Over, I think he
got a lot of hate and a lot of skeptics
and a lot of people being just mean and rude
about what he was doing and not believing in it.
But he's still stood strong and moved forward, and now
(16:03):
he's got multiple books and all the things. I actually
watched him on a live on that the Evolved Plus
app last night and he did a reading for someone.
It was wild to watch. I mean, he just immediately
was talking to her dead sister and things like that,
which I know sounds scary to people. But and the
first time I there's a guy in Nashville called Frank Castellano.
(16:27):
Is that Frank Lesson? Yeah? Yeah, he's both seen Frank, Yeah,
the Spirit chrystalis and I've Frank's actually been on the podcast.
I forgot that. Actually, this was when I first started
the podcast, and the second I walked in, I was
very skeptical. I was like, oh, let's see what this
is about. This is before I kind of got on
my own spiritual journey and my grandfather had just crossed
(16:48):
over and came through and this stuff. He was saying, like,
that's where people go, oh, well, he could just google that.
There's no way it was a characteristics and personality traits
of my grandfather that there's no way he would find
that information anywhere unless he knew my grandfather, you know.
And so I immediately started sobbing and just kind of
bought in after that because it's like, well, there's no
(17:12):
way he could know that. And it definitely started to
feel like, you know, I was with my grandfather very
near his death, and so it definitely started to feel
like we were connected energetically. Now I have a whole
nother understanding of it, and I feel it all the time.
But yeah, I can see why At first for people
it's bizarre, and then when you actually have an instance
like what I was talking about last night, and then
(17:34):
my experience where there's just no way that they could
know that, it does have you going Okay, well there's
got to be something to this.
Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (17:43):
I had a very similar experience with Frank, and trust me,
it's like I'm one of those people that wants to
poke holes in things.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Well I did too.
Speaker 3 (17:50):
I mean, I want to believe it, but I also
want to poke holes. I mean maybe that's the end
to it and make you know, like I want to
like be trusting my gut too.
Speaker 1 (17:57):
It's very SiO of you.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
He said things about both of my grandparents and I'm like,
no one would know. Yeah, but he talked about my
grandfather fixing watches. That is not something that you could find.
First of all, there's nothing about my grandfather except for
his name, and you know his obituary at this point
on the internet, so good luck googling his life.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
And then he said something.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
He brought up something about my grandmother that never had
occurred to me, but when he said it, it made
me burst into tears. Like he was like, your grandmother
was kind, she loved everyone. She was like, you know,
the kind of grandmother that baked. But your grandmother never baked.
It made me think, like, no, Mama never baked. She
made fudge, that was it.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, she never baked, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (18:40):
Which I thought was I mean, look, could that have
been a lucky thing?
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Absolutely? But I feel like most grandma's probably baked.
Speaker 1 (18:47):
Yeah, well, and it's the way. I mean with my grandfather,
it was he would talk so specifically about the way
he screwed in a light bulb, and if you knew
anything about my grandfather, it was so spot on. Yeah,
that's what I'm saying. It's like the personality pieces. I
think this in this day and age, we're so skeptical
because people can google anything and figure out, you know,
(19:07):
things about you. But our grandparents were before that time,
so that wasn't the case. One of the other things
we talked about from that book was because you know,
intuition is a big part of it, but then there's
also this like karmic piece of the justice piece, and
John and I both have so much libra in our chart,
(19:28):
and so we talked about how tricky it can be
when you have this knowing and just having to sit
in that or with him. It was like knowing that
someone had been murdered terribly but like he hadn't been
given the way to make it right, or there was
this one person that maybe they weren't gonna find, you know,
and there's just all of these things like this battle
(19:49):
of justice. Do you have that thing in you like
I don't know that you have it like I have it.
I have an experienced I don't think.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
I don't think I do.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
I mean, I can't think of an example where I
could point to that where I've experienced it.
Speaker 1 (20:04):
What do you think about karma? What do you think
about karma?
Speaker 3 (20:16):
I want to believe in karma because I do think
that people that do bad things, like I just it's
all We're all energy, you know, So if you're putting
bad energy back into the world, I would hope that
it comes back into Maaxhew in the face in the
same way that if you are doing kind things for
people and that's the energy you're putting out.
Speaker 2 (20:36):
In the world, that you'll be repaid with that.
Speaker 3 (20:38):
Like and I don't know if that's just me being Pollyanna,
but like maybe that's what like drives me to be
kind and so I need that, you know, sort of
recipe of my life.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
But I think it's real.
Speaker 3 (20:51):
I mean, I feel like I won't say the term
that I've used for myself, but I've also I've often
like asked my friends, like why am I so lucky?
You know, Like, what's the joke that's being played on
me that I got this life, and I think that's
it's I think the only explanation is good karma.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Well, so I have a lot of things to say
to all this of you said about what I think
about this, and so this is just my interpretation. But
I think that my new understanding of karma is different
from where I was with it because I used to
be so scared, like, oh my god, anytime anything negative
in my life would happen, I would feel like it
(21:28):
was punishment for something, like to look at it as
the very like the judge and jury, just like the
mean God. Like. I just used to feel that way
a lot, and I've really shifted my narrative on that stuff.
But I look at karma now as more of like
the universe is always going to be working to balance,
and like we talk about it in our day to
day life. We talked about it when we were talking
(21:48):
about Andrea the other day, like or last week, that
we're constantly kind of working to find this like balance
in our life and it never stops. But I think
the universe is doing the same thing too, you and
I don't think it ever stops. So if you don't
get that balance in this lifetime, I believe that it
would carry over into other lifetimes you live. And when
(22:10):
you're saying, like, why am I so lucky? Why do
I get this life? I don't know that you haven't
had hard lives before this. It's like, this lifetime is great.
And I say that all the time too. I'm like,
there's been some hardships in my life, for sure, but
I like this life, and so it's gonna be sad
when my soul leaves this body in this life because
(22:32):
it's great, you know, like, there's so many things that
I love about this life. But I think it comes
with knowing that, yeah, there were some that weren't great,
and there's other ones that might be hard in the future,
but it's all about the lessons that our soul is
trying to learn. And so that's where the karma piece
comes in, because if we were acting a fool and
(22:55):
being cruel to all these people, like the reason it
would come back to you is so that you learn
what that feels like when you treat other people that way,
so that hopefully as you evolve, you're like, I don't
want to do that to them because it feels like
shit because I felt it now, so you create empathy, right,
the older we get as souls. I think that the
(23:16):
more empathy we come into this world with because we've
lived so many lifetimes as the asshole, as the fuck up,
as the whatever, the odd man out, and we don't
want to make other people feel that way. That's my
interpretation of that.
Speaker 3 (23:30):
I mean, I think it's really interesting because it's also
like I I believe that people often hurt other people
when they're not meaning to, and so well, you know,
it's not intentional always to be an asshole. You're just
you're being selfish and it hurts other people and it
was like a result of like not even thinking. So
(23:53):
it's the universe's way of teaching that lesson to be
like yo, man, like stop being so fucking selfish like this.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
This is what you're going to get. So you know
what it feels like, Oh.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
You're saying later when if they would get to h when.
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Karma does come back around, Like, look, do I believe
that there is real evil in the world and people
that are making choices to like harm others and to
make other people feel like shit? Yes, But I don't
think that every time that you harm somebody else or
hurt somebody else that it's not accidental, because I believe
that we all do make mistakes and we only hurt
(24:25):
each other. But that is in those moments, that's what
karma comes back around to teach you.
Speaker 1 (24:31):
It helps me to think about it too, in that
that makes me feel more connected to everyone's journey, even
the people who I feel, you know, in this lifetime,
I've been like, they've treated me so bad, and how
how are they not getting theirs? First of all, I
don't know that they're not, Like I don't really know.
There's the people in my life that didn't treat me
well are no longer in my life, So who knows
(24:54):
what's happening in their life Because you can't judge by
social media. We have no idea, So they may be
balancing out in ways that I have no idea. And
it doesn't necessarily mean if they wronged me that I'm
going to wrong them back. And that's how karma works.
It's like there will get the lesson, though at some
point will they accept it in this lifetime maybe not,
like I may never see it, you know, it might
(25:15):
be the next lifetime that they get the lesson and
they're like understanding how terrible certain actions make people feel,
like what you're saying, and I do think it's unintentional sometimes,
But the karma coming back to you is the teacher,
like you said, it's the aha moment of Oh, I
should be paying more attention to this action because now
(25:36):
that I'm on the other side of it, I see
how it makes people feel.
Speaker 3 (25:39):
Yeah, I mean, look, karma is a bit like there's
a reason why that that statement.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
I think it's.
Speaker 1 (25:46):
Also a gift though. It keeps us in check. It
keeps you in check of just not becoming a total
human monster, right, because if we didn't have karma, would
we ever treat people nicely? Like we would just be
where about ourselves?
Speaker 3 (26:01):
Well, there's I mean, I mean, there's always consequences for
your actions. So I think consequences stop us from being
complete ship.
Speaker 2 (26:08):
Bags all the time.
Speaker 3 (26:10):
But karma isn't always instant, you know, where a lot
of times a consequence is instant, Like you punch somebody
on the playground, you're getting suspended.
Speaker 1 (26:19):
Yeah, But the karma is when you know slow burn.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
Yeah, You're you're walking down the street and a car
hits you and breaks your leg, you know, and you're like, oh, well, fuck.
I do think consequences keep us in check a little bit.
But karma is like, it's just it's sneaky, you know,
And I think it will come back around when you're
at least expecting it, but when the message is the
most clear.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
Right, the more we say the word karma, all I
can think is karma is a cat.
Speaker 3 (26:46):
That is karma coming around for Taylor Swift right now.
It's very weird.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Is just getting so much hate this is such a way.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
I think it's because the expectations were different.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
You know, like, so that's so unfair.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
But at the same time, she's going to sell four
million records in the first week, like she's going to
break a record like, so, I mean, I think the
I think the hate is coming. The reason why I
have negativity towards her is because she is just milking
these fans for every fucking dollar what so she can
break a record?
Speaker 2 (27:19):
Like how about make a better record? Sorry?
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Oh so you don't like it either.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I think it's boring, you know, like in my I.
Speaker 1 (27:27):
Laugh had it on and I've been listening and I said.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
It's fine, is all it is. I expected more.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
From producing albums since she was like thirteen, Like, I
get it. I know the amount of content she has
given people through the years. I'm like, I get it,
but then stop a single piece. Yeah, pause for a minute.
She could have pause, But I like it, like some
of the songs. And I said to our friend Courtney,
I was like, maybe it's because I'm in love too
right now, Like just so you know, in my face
(27:56):
love that when I hear some of these songs that
fans are so annoyed, I'm just singing along right with her,
just in my cheesy love phase.
Speaker 2 (28:04):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
So I don't know.
Speaker 3 (28:05):
Maybe that I felt like lyrically it just did not
add up, and like the song would about Travis's penis
is just.
Speaker 1 (28:11):
But I would have never picked up on that Beano.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
Ca Arnie, like I think she's trying to be Sabrina Carpenter.
Speaker 2 (28:18):
Anyway, We digress, We digress.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
But I do think it was karma coming around because
I think she's taken too much money from too many people.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
She also, I don't know whatever, she gives a lot,
she's a lot away and I don't know that I
feel like she's fully doing that. But whatever, I don't
know her personally, so well.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
I knew something was coming.
Speaker 3 (28:39):
I was like, there's no way she's just dropping twelve songs,
and then yesterday she dropped you can listen to her demos.
She's selling the demos for twenty four hours, got it?
You know it's just to get to the sales record,
you know.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah, everybody's doing that. Well. I talked about so many
different things with John. I feel like we could go
on and on, but if you guys haven't listened to
that podcast, he talked a lot about like protecting your
energy and just more of tapping into your own intuition.
And we did break down the book as well. So
I just am obsessed with him. If you can't tell,
(29:12):
I'm pretty sure everyone can tell. I'm a huge fan.
He also gave a code for you guys if you
want to join the Evolved plus app, it's Cookie twenty
twenty five. You do it on your desktop and it
gives you a really, really big discount. If you want
to go check that out. I'm loving it. It took
me a minute to figure out how to work it,
and like to kind of surfit. It's different than other
(29:35):
scrolling apps or whatever, but they do a lot of
lives I just want it to be a very helpful
community and it's basically like what we're doing here as
far as topic wise, but they actually, you know, they
have these lives or you can go talk to the
people about it and you can talk to each other.
And I just I'm loving a community like that that is.
That's the kind of social media app I want where
(29:56):
we talk about this kind of spiritual stuff. We're analyzing
life like you and I do every week, and we're
actually trying to better ourselves and evolve, versus just tearing
people down and doing all the things that I'm saying
this on the heels of us analystic Taylor.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
Or we're not it wasn't Yeah, yeah, true.
Speaker 3 (30:16):
That's interesting because maybe that's the future of social media.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
I do.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I do think when it started it was about it
was meant to bring people together for common experiences, but
it became just a cesspool of everybody, whereas maybe it
needs to be more niche like, music lovers go here,
film lovers go I mean, and I know that some
of these things exist already, but like, maybe we don't
need to be on the wane. I think so many
of us wanted to like feel popular well, it's.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Like, there's billions of people in this world. How do
we think that we were just all going to be aligned?
You know, like everyone has different life experiences. So go
find the fact that I'm on a group text right
now and I'm getting a text from you. Did you
forget it? Then I'm on that.
Speaker 2 (31:03):
Hey, you're looking at your text too.
Speaker 1 (31:05):
I am not. I got a notification saying Chip Doors
just texted you, and I'm like, no, he fucking didn't.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
You did not You didn't know I was doing it?
Speaker 1 (31:13):
Yeah, I saw you tight, But you're so delusional about
your ability to do more than once. I can't double
task or whatever. My god, but you cannot single task
either because you can't focus. It's wild. Okay, Chip and
I are obviously going to need to go have a chat.
We will not make the listeners listen through that, but
(31:35):
you guys can always keep in touch with us at
the Edge at velvestedge dot com. I will put a
link to Chasing Evil and also put the Evolved plus
code in the description of this podcast. Go check out
all Things John Edward. Maybe you'll be as obsessed as me.
He's such seems like such a solid deal.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
I'm definitely listening to that book.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
I think you need to. I hope you do, and
then you'll have to report back to us. I mean,
I'm telling you I did it in two days. It
was so fast for me because I couldn't turn it off.
I think I might have done one point five. I
do everything kind of a little bit faster, just because
it's they It takes away basically the spaces, but it
(32:11):
goes by so fast because you want to know what's
going to happen. You know, they leave you on a cliffhanger.
It's like binging a show basically. Anyway, check out Chasing Evil.
It's very good. You can also slide into my DMS.
I'm at Velvet's.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
Edge Chip, I'm at Chip doorsh's h I P D
O R S C H.
Speaker 1 (32:30):
And our podcast Instagram is growing Chip and it's at
Velvet's Edge, So you guys go follow us along on
that as well. Velvet Touch Pod, isn't it Vetuch podcast?
Speaker 2 (32:40):
Oh you just said Velvet Edge?
Speaker 1 (32:42):
Oh, well that's mine. Our joint podcast Instagram is at
Velvet's Edge podcast. Guys, Freudian Slip. I'm just trying to
get followers myself.
Speaker 2 (33:00):
Karma's gonna come for you. Bitch.
Speaker 1 (33:01):
Karma is just kidding. I'm just kidding, Universe. Okay. Anyway,
all of that will be in the description of this podcast.
So as you guys go into the weekend and you're
living on the edge, I hope you always remember too.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
Bye casual, Bye bye
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