August 6, 2025 • 43 mins
Astrologer Marvin Wilkerson joins Kelly to break down the cosmic intensity of August 2025—starting with a powerful Leo New Moon that calls for ego death, authentic self-expression, and reclaiming your spiritual confidence. With Pluto, Chiron, and the South Node creating deep emotional reckonings, this episode dives into the karmic roots of perfectionism, people-pleasing, and identity wounds.
They explore:
• The Leo New Moon at 3° and the invitation to embody spiritual will over ego
• Pluto’s opposition: confronting control issues, hidden fears, and old identities
• Chiron in Aries: healing wounds around visibility, worth, and true self-expression
• Mars conjunct South Node: breaking free from anxious doing and perfectionism
• Venus in Gemini square: how to embrace soulful service without losing yourself
• A T-square activating karmic contracts in love, identity, and sacred service
• Uranus and the Virgo New Moon: intuitive upgrades, nervous system shifts, and breaking free from rigid routines
This episode is your cosmic permission slip to stop hiding, show up more boldly, and align your voice with your soul’s highest truth.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Conversations on life, style, beauty and relationships. It's The Velvet's
Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hi, Marv, Hello there, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Well, I guess we should try to not argue through
this whole podcast like we did last.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Month, the month before last.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
No, it wasn't that was last month.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's no.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Okay, Well we're arguing again.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
See you started it.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm just saying what I think to be the truth,
but we'll agree to disagree again. Okay, Well, we are
here to talk about the Leo. Well, it's it's Leo
season in general, but there's a Leo new moon, there's
an Aquarius full moon, and there's a lot of transits.
I was just saying to you, I feel like there's
more transits than normal. You said no, but there are
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some really important ones for us to talk about today,
and so I want to make sure we get to
all of them. So I want to just dive right in.
I want to say this first about Leo energy, because
I've had a lot of Leo's in my life throughout
my lifetime, and I do feel like it's a bit
of a misunderstood energy as well. Like I used to
be like, oh, all Leo's are just so self absorbed,
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and so you know, they think they're like the king
or the queen of the castle. But let's talk about
really what Leo energy means and how it can actually
bring a lot of good things into the world and
why we really need to like tap into that right now.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, Leo is the sign of the will. So when
you put that together with how they project themselves into
the environment, are they projecting themselves through their heart energy
or are they projecting themselves through their personal wilfulness. But
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you've got to understand, Leo is a very highly intuitive
So people don't really recognize that enough. But Leo is
about the all is mind concept. They are in the mind,
and so their greatest their greatest gift is understanding their
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heart and learning it's the will of God, not their will.
It's okay, thy will, not my will.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
And so when you're talking about a person that is
highly creative, highly romantic, highly playful, I mean they're good
at everything because I mean that's just their nature, their fire.
They're a fireside. So whatever they they go after and do,
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that's it magnifies it because they don't seem like they
have a lot of insecurities or lack of confidence, right,
and so what you're reading is a positive attitude about themselves,
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and that positive attitude has to be used in a
right and proper way.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So it really kind of depends on where the energy
is coming from. Like if you were saying, if they're
leading with their heart, it sounds like there's a lot
of positive contributions they can make with that intuitive nature,
the charismatic parts of themselves. But if they're leading with
their ego, then that's maybe some of the stuff that
I was talking about earlier or interpreting as LEO energy.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Well, I mean, you know what you're talking about the
most creative sign, So I mean you know who are
they creating for themselves or for others? What's the eedit
of God? Or the consciousness is serve my children? Well,
so where are you going to put your priorities as
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a leo to help others and to create for others?
Or is it about making you bigger, better, and greater
than everybody else?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
So isn't that every sign? Though in a little bit
of a like, aren't aren't we all supposed to be
leading with how we can serve others versus ourselves.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well, yes, and we all have Leo somewhere.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
True. Okay, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Okay, but I mean, you know, when you're talking about
the Leo new mood, this is about it's about the
will and control and what are you? What are you
doing with your Leo power? And so you know, the
one thing that we didn't miss last month was at
mercury retrograde. I know, so everybody's been experiencing that for
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here a couple of weeks. But I mean, you know,
it's like what I what I wrote in the outline,
it's about standing up for oneself. Well who better to
stand up for oneself than a Leo?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Oh for sure?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, okay, So in other words, it's kind of working
along along those lines with a murcury retrograde. And of course,
when you're talking about all this energy, there's a heck
of a lot of energy that's been going on because
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of the shadow issues this month.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
What do you mean? Shadow issues?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Issues about not being your authentic you? You're hiding what
are you suppressing about yourself? How are you? How are
you trying to be what you think everybody wants you
to be instead of you being who you really are.
I mean, doesn't that sound like being authentic? Sounds like Leo?
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Doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Oh for sure? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Okay, thing personality with confidence and warmth, that's what Leo,
This Leo New Moon's about. If you're doing it with confidence,
you know, a person that has a little bit of
insecurity or a lot of insecurity, they're not going to
like somebody with a little lot of confidence. Shoulders back,
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strut forward, you see. So that can be a lot
of misreading of Leo. And so we all have to
learn how to live in our passion, be in our
passion itself, be in our strong sense of who we are.
Why should we be any less than? So I think
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that's the basic theme that we're going into this month
with is be all you can be. Oh that's a
good one.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
It is a good one. Why is there because we've
talked about this the last couple of months as far
as embracing authenticity and how we're going to keep bumping
up against things that are going to push us in
that direction? Is that the overall theme of Pluto and
Aquarius or where is that coming from? That that's such
a big theme right now.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
The Pluto bumping up against this new moon is exacerbating, okay.
In other words, that's what energy does when it's in
a conflicted alignment with another energy, is that it magnifies conflict,
whether it's in an opposition or a square or a
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another kind of conflicted aspect. It brings out the troubles
or that you're that we all have to try to overcome.
Where are our hidden fears? What are our control issues?
I just talked about that with a client here before
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before we got on, I mean, and she said, the
perfect thing. I wanted to make this relationship right, I said,
where the hell do you get off making any relationship? Right? See,
that's a.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Control issue to make it work.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yes, you don't make it work about you just being
all you can be, loving, kind, generous, and so forth,
and allow the relationship to unfold like it is. Or
are you going to try to suppress you're authentic you
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or how you really feel because it may rub up
against somebody, or or if somebody may misinterpret it, if
you're trying to get the outer world to interpret you
the way you want to be. That's a control issue, and.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
That some time like that, Yeah, huh, I said, I
have lived some time like that for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well we all have we all want the best for
things to work out, and sometimes they do and a
lot of times they don't. So you've got to do
to say.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's one of the things that you always talk about
where it's like we are attaching though, we're attaching to
the outcome, as if we know what would be best,
whereas in reality it's like if it's not working out,
that's supposed to be the way, Like it's not supposed
to work out.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Well, I mean, you know, I think that's the trouble
with goals. People set goals. Well, I've people just.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Had this conversation that is so weird. You brought that up.
I said, when someone says to me, what are your
six month planning, I'm like, that to me actually communicates
me getting in the way. Like I think it's good
to have an idea of a direction you want to go,
of course, but if you're attaching so hard to why
I need this to be here in five months or here,
here in one month, here in five months, here in
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six months, whatever, you're going to miss out on so
much stuff that the universe does or could do or
will do or whatever, And you kind of get back
in that driver's seat.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Well, and one of the things I'm always telling people
looks par could give you more than you could ever
want for yourself. Yeah, you know, I used to love
the Jesus quote about know thyself and ponder thy path.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Say plan it out, pond.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Go work yourself up to get to this specific goal.
As a matter of fact, that's exactly what I told
this client just a little while ago. Quit treating a
relationship like some goal. You're going to make it be something.
I mean, you'll ruin the relationship.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
That's what society teaches us to do. Though it's like
check the box.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Would that be the first time the society teaches you
something that's wrong?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
No, absolutely not, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
This is why we try to study spirituality and universal
truths and universal concept like live in the now right
and of course you know my favorite special of all,
live your excitement, follow your passion, and let go of
the outcome.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Because you're not the doer. So you can say I
would have set a goal, all you won and it
means nothing. I mean, we've all set goals in our life,
and how many times you've reached the goal and you
get there and it feels like, oh wow, this isn't
as big a deal as I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, and then you set yourself up to keep just
chasing more because you get there.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Ye yeah, you want more implorable, right. I mean I
experienced that when I was a golfer and wanted to
be a better golfer and a better golfer. And one
time I shot three hunder par and I was the
talk of the whole clubhouse, and you know, all that euphoria,
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and then I'm on my way home to my two
daughters and my wife that could give it prep less, right,
I thought, Wow, I've hit thousands and thousands and thousands
of golf balls to be so good, and this is
the epitome of it.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
There was, It's.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Got to be more than this. And so it's about
letting go of old identities that no longer serve you, okay,
and you and you get that when you bump up
against another relationship and the objective and the objective way,
and you know, and that's what the shadow is. Other
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people bring our shadow. We don't. I mean, you don't
go digging for your own crap. You try, you try
to go understand why somebody is responding or reacting and
why you're responding and reacting to the world. And that's
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the shadow. That's how it comes out. It don't come
out because you're an island. It comes out because you're
interacting with the world. And so we have a Chiron,
which is the wounded healer. That's so important, and New
Moon is the core wounds around self worth, identity, and assertiveness.
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That's the woundedness that we're dealing with at whatever level
you're at. So we're all dealing with the core wounds
of self worth, identity, and assertiveness because this is what
we're trying to This is the road towards authentic and
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authenticity is to discover where are we? Where are we confidence?
Where are we standing tall and straight and vulnerable and
being able to express our uniqueness? And of course you
know there's a lot of personal wounding around that, and
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there's a problem, a lot of wounding around self extression
and empowerment. Where are we not using our power? Where
are we don't feel in howard or insecure about projecting
our image? Very leo, So we're invited to heal old traumas.
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What's the trauma behind our insecurities, our lack of authentic expression.
And I think that that's a lot of what we're
doing with this chiron is we got to face our
fears of rejection and invisibility. I mean, where are we
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trying to not be vulnerable, not be exposed? I mean,
this person actually has to go for a work interview,
and I was telling her, you interview at work, just
like you work. She's a salesperson and very good, but
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she has relationship issues because she wants one so bad
that she's willing to overlook her into wish to overlook
what was going wrong with the relationship even though she
intuitively felt it. That's a big, big lesson.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
No, I'm not it, so I'm aware.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Another thing mm hm, another thing we're dealing with is
a Mars the UH, the energy planet of energy is UH.
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It's it's UH forcing us to look at our old
karmic patterns and how we've come to respond to others
around habits and service and criticism and perfectionism and over functioning.
You know, that's one that we don't we rarely talk about.
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Where are we overfunction Where are we trying so hard
to make something be what we want it to be,
or to serve another person in a way that we're
abandoning ourselves instead of making it be an equal give
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and take. And I think that overfunctioning is a that's
a huge verbal problem.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, it's interesting you say we never talked about it,
because I'm like, I feel like that. I talk about
that theme all the time because that is the story
of my life. It's being in relationships where I didn't
even realize I was overfunctioning. And I still can get
in those patterns, but it doesn't work anymore because of
where I am now. It's like the second it starts happening,
I feel it. I buck back as something happens. And
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in fact, this past week, even my boyfriend and I
got into it a little bit because I was feeling
that thing. I thought I was doing the same thing
I've done in the past where I overgive or whatever.
And it was so interesting because when we really started
talking about it, I thought, this has nothing to do
with him. It was all this old stuff that I
had just gotten triggered into feeling like that's what he
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was asking of me or something like I made up
all these stories in my head, and when I really
broke it down with him, I was like, wait, that
didn't come from him at all. That was so living
inside of me, and it just got triggered when I
was reading this outline. I was thinking, well, isn't it
always the astrology is right on time, right, Like I'm
always going through exactly what's happening. But it's that theme
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of where you feel like you can start out giving
from a place of just care or wanting in a
positive way, but then it can quickly for me, go
into going too far and like you said, the self
abandonment to the point of the only time I'll recognize
that I'm doing it as if I start melting down
or something. So it's just it's always interesting, but it
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totally comes for me from not only this time but
other lifetimes. And I think all this Chiron and Mars
especially conjunct the South Numbrgo, it just really brought it
up to the surface for me again.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well, I mean, you know, and it says that in
the right and this last line, compulsion to do it
all and get it right, yep, stuck in an old loop, harmic.
It's contenuous. It's a perception perspective that you've get brought
into this lifetime that you're trying to make a correction
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to allow everything to be as it is instead of
trying to make it what you want it to be.
And of course that's the evolutionary lesson is to trust
the process in opening up to a divine creativity. You know,
one thing I kept saying to her over and over
was communicate, because she had us out north note in Gemini.
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I said, you come in to communicate. You're a tremendous
sales person because you've got that sage self node and
they go for goals and go exactly towards what it
is they want. Well, that doesn't work in a relationship
because you're needing to communicate inner issues, inner intimacies, inner concepts,
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and you just can't gloss over them and hope they'll
go away. Right, And that's what happens a lot when
we're trying so hard to make something work out like
we want it to work out. So I mean, there
it is again.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, you're just your way through it versus actually paying
attention to what's happening.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Right, And of course guess what this marsh self node
venus is squaring is Gemini. So that's communication. We've got
to communicate how we're feeling honestly, whether it hurts that
person's or not. You're not in charge of hurting anything
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or anybody. You're in charge of being honest, and that's
all you can be. That's all you can give is honesty.
And so we've got to talk about the it's authentic
self expression. It hurt my feelings, okay, It's just like
when we were arguing the other time, you were saying, well,
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I don't feel like i'm being heard. See, that was
an honest expression, and that allowed me to make some
adjustments in trying to make sure that I was listening
and responding to you to help you understand that I
am listening and I do hear you. And so that's
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how it works, and that's how it's supposed to work.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah, but you know what I love about what you
just said that I think was a long lesson for
me within relationship, was like you said that I expressed
myself honestly, and that helped you to make some adjustments
because you actually hurt You did hear me, and then
you made some adjustments to making sure that that was
being communicated to me. But that's a reciprocal situation, right,
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And I think so often in the past, I would
be in situations where even if I was communicating honestly.
And I'm saying this for the listeners who if anyone's
struggling in relationship or maybe your client that you were
just talking about. It's like, if you're in a relationship
where you can't communicate honestly and that be heard and
then maybe you know there's some adjustments made or a rebuttal,
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even a kind rebuttal or with other honesty, then you're
not in a reciprocal situation. That's never gonna work anyway. Like,
if one person is being honest and the other one
doesn't want to have anything to do with that, you
can't carry it all, Like you can't be the only
one doing that. Does that make sense what I'm trying
to say?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
What sure? That was exactly the issue that I had
a you know, a whole discussion with her about. I mean,
you know, if he's not going to be the man
and you're going to do all the given, it's never
going to work because that's not what the masculine is.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Well, it's also just one sided and you'll end up
in place.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, and you can't you can't be responsible for making
it making it be any other way, but why it is?
But you see what I've always taught Kelly is people
intuitively know of course, with things aren't.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Right, of course, I always I just didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Whether's somebody is cheating on them, whether their spouse is cheating.
I always ask the question, so when did you really
feel and know that it was going on instead of
when did you bring it up?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Right? That's a great question.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Why would wait so long to go through all that
pain and hurt knowing that there was a cheating going
on something?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Well, because you don't want to believe it. Right, then
you do all the contorting to try to try to
make it not true. But it's still true.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You don't want to believe it because you don't want
to accept reality. Is reality? Right? I just heard Elon
Musk say the biggest problem with people is truth, and
they want it to be their truth instead of the truth.
So we have to learn to release old ways of
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our asserting ourselves and relating to others. Embrace soulful service
without self sacrifice. That is so huge. Embrace soul service
without self sacrifice. I mean that's the way I've always
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measured having to overcome my sensitivity about being a cute
used of something is I had to look into my
own heart and say, did I have some skin in
the game there? What was it my action? And was
I was I aware of that action? And then I
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can If I don't have skin in the game, well
then I don't take it personally at all. If I
have skin in the game, well then I make an adjustment.
I take responsibility for me, I take responsibility for my actions.
And that's what we've got to do. We've got to
let go of roles or identities built on pleasing others
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and perfectionism. I mean that says it all. Let go
of roles or identities built on pleasing others. Yeah, you
know it's doing that.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
You know it's ping, Oh well for sure, and I
think a lot of people do. I would say that
it's something for me that I still it's just a
instant work in progress on that one. And really the
question I have to ask myself when I find myself
bumping up against that, like am I abandoning myself to
please others? Am I self sacrificing focusing too much on
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being this perfect version of something or creating this perfect scenario,
what's the thing that's being threatened? And most of the
time it's my own security, And so somehow I've put
my security and safety within another person too, which is
also the problem or a situation or a job or anything.
But all of those things are out of my control
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at the end of the day. So to really attach
my security to that thing, of course, I'm going to
want to try to control it and make it perfect
or you know, people please to think that I'm in
control of a situation or relationship, even it's all unconscious
until I am starting to kind of recognize it. But yeah, anyway,
all that is to say, I think it's a really
interesting question to ask yourself, like, what's the driver behind
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those actions? Because as usually we're just trying to survive
as human beings. I think that's kind of.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I mean, and this statement says it perfect. What part
of you wants to control how others see you?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
How much do we all walk around want to be
seen the way we want to be seen?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
The problem is as we get into trying to manipulate
how they see us. That's the problem that come line
manipulating how you want to be seen by others. And
so we've got to reclaim our own, our own voice.
We've got to heal the fear of not being enough,
for being too much. It's got to be you know,
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I like the other one, it's not reclaim your creative voice,
not for validation, but as a sacred act of self love.
Don't you just love that self act of self love?
Very Leo. And so when you see a Leo being
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a Leo, you just have to understand that that's a
sacred act of self love. We have to love ourselves.
I mean so often I have said I've told people
that wanted to get into a relationship, and I said,
you just love yourself like you want to be loved.
That goes out into the universe and comes directly back
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and absorbed by you. So you've got to have the
relationship with yourself first.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yes, that's so. Do you think we look at that.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
This whole full moon? I mean, look at that statement,
having the mental discipline to hold fear and greed at
lust at bay within oneself, seeking instruction from the inner feminine.
That's the full moon that supports all of this stuff
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that we're trying to go through with this new moon
in Leo and discovering our relationships to ourself because that's
what really this is always all about, isn't it. So
Leo is just not a relationship to self. And so
you know, we've got a Neptune saturn opposing the Mars.
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So there's a lot of frustration. You know, you got
to look at the internal blocks, you know, what are
what you angry about? What's the crisis? Transform impulsive reactivity?
We need to slow down and reflect before we're acting
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a lot. I mean, how many times we've been told
to count to ten twenty? Shit? I hold you. I
told some people, man, you need to count to fifty.
Ain't gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That's interesting to me. I guess that's the Oh that's
the Saturn opposing Mars. Okay, because I was like, that's
still a very fully and clearious energy to me.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
But okay, well yeah, but the but the tricks to
there is it's Neptune. You're not seeing it clearly, right, right,
So you Saturn is going to structure it the way
you want it the structure, but you're not seeing really
how it should be structured or could be structured that
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will be more in balance. And so that's why you've
got to transform this impulsiveness to make it more mindful,
make it more purposeful action. And then, of course, I mean,
here we go again with Pluto opposing Mars. Psychological insights
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into the shadow and material emerging in conversations or thought patterns.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
You said opposing Mars you mean Mercury, right, Yeah, which
is all about communication.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
It's all about communication. So in other words, we've got
to learn to use communication with others and how we
communicate to discover some of these maybe mental intensity or
truth or manipulation or why are we saying what we're saying.
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It's an evaluator. Pluto always brings up shadows and things
that you need to really look at instead of shoving
it down or hiding it. And so that's a big deal.
But the biggest deal of the news of the full
moon for me was that Juno Investor Juno is about
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the is about relationships, period. That's your capability of relating. Okay,
So there's going to be tension in this full moon,
and if you just think about this whole podcast so far,
you'll understand why there's tension and what you can do
to address this tension. Unmet needs, identity, commitment. The tension
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arises between the need for independence and personal purpose and
the relationship loyalty. I mean, you know that could be
as divisive an issue as there is how do I
get my needs met? But I stay within the context
of a relationship, So that's will certainly bring a challenge.
(31:39):
So this is karmic contracts, and that's what this Juno
full Moon's about, is healing that looking at your relationship
issues and realizing that this is a contract that you're
dealing with this month. You're bringing this in and to
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specifically heal these relationship issues around communications and self love
and of course divesta. This is how we're able to,
you know, express ourselves. This is the bringing about that
sense of conflict between our calling and emotional needs. The
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healing messages are you a banning your sacred devotion for
external validation see here. Yet again, it's being brought up
by energies. So it's a lot of energies about validating
self and loving self. And then because when you love yourself,
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you're not hiding yourself, you're not suppressing yourself, You're being
honest and you're capable of being loving, joyful and in
harmony when you're you, So that's what it's all about.
One of the things that I liked about this was
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what karmic contracts? Am I ready to release? So you
got to I mean, you know, when I talked to
the client, I mean, you know, that's the one question
I asked her. I said, how are you going to
look at these two major relationships that you had, see
how they simultaneously kind of did the same thing, and
(33:31):
how did you work with that under knowledge so that
you can change it going forward.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Well, that's why you take a karma contract, right, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
You realize what you keep repeating. It's a perception perspective.
And of course, where am I suppressing my truth to
maintain peace? Oh? Man, that's a big one.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
That is the big one. That's a hard thing. I
think it's interesting about the juno aspect because I like
the opposition of expressing yourself, owning your truth, being honest,
really being in touch with your own needs and balancing
that within a relationship and like what's best for the relationship,
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you know. I think that's kind of one of the
battles we're all constantly going back and forth between, is
like how do I not sacrifice myself for this relationship.
But how do I not completely just think about myself
in detriment to the relationship, you know, like just that
balancing act.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, I mean, look, the bottom line to relationships a
win win situation. What do you mean it's never a
sixty forty or forty eighty or forty twenty or it's
never it's a win win. How do I win and
you win? We have our tough I said. You said,
I'm not being listened to. I said, in my own mind,
(35:02):
I need to slow down. I need to pay attention
to what she say and try to convey what I'm
feeling so that we both understand.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Yeah, and it's a win win, right.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
And so too often we try to make it a
m experience that you have to Uh, if you face
it over and over and over, you're going to recognize it.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, okay, So where my fast is suppressing suppressing my
truth to maintain peace, that's a big one. I don't
want to start no ship here. I say that, Oh are.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
You suppressing something? Oh you're saying in relationship in general? Yeah,
that's tough. I mean it is tough.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
It is very difficult. So it ain't like everybody, we're
all not dealing with it because we are.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Of course I agree.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
And so the Virgo new moon comes on the twenty third. Okay,
and listen to this being true to oneself and viewpoint.
That just sounds like a continuation.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Doesn't it, Yes, very much.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Observing one's best and worst traits from the reactions of others,
friends and enemies. Who better to learn from than your enemy?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Oof, that one's gonna eat me? But okay, I don't know.
I got to think about that one.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well, bake it through. Your enemy is going to show
you more than a friend may withhold. A friend may
not tell you, but an enemy will damn sure tell you.
Right then, you got to do what I said earlier.
Then now you have to evaluate what your heart intention is.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, hmmm, ponderings.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, and of course it's Virgo, so you know it's
walking to talk cultivating character through honest criticism. How often
do you stand in front of the mirror and say,
you dog you?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Well, I'll be honest, Like, I think there's two types
of people. I think some people don't have any concept
of they don't talk to themselves that way at all.
And then there's people like I'm one of these people.
I'm overly critical of myself, and so I can be like,
I have to talk myself out of doing what you
just described, because I'll break myself down to every nth degree,
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you know, and take too much responsibility there, right, And
that's why I'm thumping under the enemy thing as well.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
This is where Virgo gets into too much perfectionism exactly,
too much credit, too much evaluation.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
So you got to be yes on burning.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Because that's not good either. But the energy for the
Virgo new moon is going to be a Uranus squares
the new moon, which is going to create a lot
of intense dynamics between order and disruption, the known and
the unknown, the routine and the awakening. No, Uranus is
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always breaking up Saturn. So we structure our lives with Saturn,
and Uranus comes in and says, okay, you've played that
game long enough, we need to break it up. So
with break up, breakout, break away, and break free is
the name of Uranus, and it's so that we will
grow and evolve. If you state in your Saturn all
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the time, if you stayed in your rut of building
the reality you choose, you wouldn't evolve, you'd keep it consistent,
you would keep it so it wasn't challenging. But that's
not allowed with uronics.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Oh isn't transiting my rising sign for the last seven years.
Trust me when I say it will break you down?
Will it will make you grow? For sure?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah. So it'll bring mental restlessness, It'll bring nervous system
rewiring and unconventional communication. So our shadow side, well, we
could have some health floor ups through nervousness stress. The
anxiety could be around needing to control versus the unpredictable.
(39:41):
I mean, if it's unpredictable and yet it's happening, you
got to come to terms with.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
It, right, that's the accepting reality thing.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Again, that's accepting reality. So there are a lot of
be a lot of breakdowns of systems and technology. A
lot of things suddenly happen.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
It feels like away then at the month.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, and we got to take a high road, break
free from rigid routines, discover where we're being so rigid
in our routines. I mean, I just saw something about
breaking that up is just you know, just little things,
just do something different than what you always do. It.
(40:22):
It's a good way too you know, not get stuck
in a rut. We we you know, we had we
developed these habits and routines. And if you'll just take
a few, maybe one or two each day and do
it differently, do it at a different time, do it
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in a different way. That breaks up a rut and
a routine. It brings you more into allowing some of
that shadow issues to come out instead of being stuck
in a rut. Redesign daily practices using intuition and innovation
and flexibility. It braks a healing method or modality that
(41:05):
is radical or futuristic. Another what I road was a
download moment. Sudden insight changes how you see your daily life,
your body, your service work. You know, this is all
about paying attention to the body, because the body will
always tell you what's going on in the mind. Yep.
(41:29):
And so you pay attention to the body. If they
don't feel good, don't do it. That would be the
opposite of us in the sixties.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Right. Well, it seems like overall there's some reoccurring themes,
even with all the different planetary things happening, Like it
seems very clearly like there's a couple of themes that
are just going to continue to come up in different ways,
in different forms, and so I'm going to put some
of these journal prompts that Marv mentioned on the New
(42:00):
Velvet Edge podcast Instagram. That's going to be something we're
starting this August so now, so you guys can go
check that out. Marv. If anyone wants to do a
session with you and have their own birth chart read
or do some hypnosis, maybe this is a good good
time for hypnosis, right to look deep into the shadows
and things like that. Where would they find you at.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Marv at astrobarv dot com, all right, the best place
to reach me? Or Marvid bl hypnosis dot com.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Okay, I'll put you away. I'll put both of those
in the description of this podcast for you guys, and
also Marv's website so you can go check out some
of his work. Marv, thanks for being here with us.
We made it through. We didn't fight this time, see Kelly,
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
We've been in love for so long and we don't fight.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
It was very in line with the astrology at the time,
so it all makes sense. The astrology is always astrology.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Eing.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I guess is that I say that it doesn't really
work anyway, Mark, Yeah, exactly, Marv. Thanks for being with us,
and thank you guys so much for listening.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
It was my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Hi, Marv, Hello there, Kelly.
Speaker 3 (00:15):
Well, I guess we should try to not argue through
this whole podcast like we did last.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Month, the month before last.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
No, it wasn't that was last month.
Speaker 2 (00:26):
It's no.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Okay, Well we're arguing again.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
See you started it.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
I'm just saying what I think to be the truth,
but we'll agree to disagree again. Okay, Well, we are
here to talk about the Leo. Well, it's it's Leo
season in general, but there's a Leo new moon, there's
an Aquarius full moon, and there's a lot of transits.
I was just saying to you, I feel like there's
more transits than normal. You said no, but there are
(00:57):
some really important ones for us to talk about today,
and so I want to make sure we get to
all of them. So I want to just dive right in.
I want to say this first about Leo energy, because
I've had a lot of Leo's in my life throughout
my lifetime, and I do feel like it's a bit
of a misunderstood energy as well. Like I used to
be like, oh, all Leo's are just so self absorbed,
(01:18):
and so you know, they think they're like the king
or the queen of the castle. But let's talk about
really what Leo energy means and how it can actually
bring a lot of good things into the world and
why we really need to like tap into that right now.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
Well, Leo is the sign of the will. So when
you put that together with how they project themselves into
the environment, are they projecting themselves through their heart energy
or are they projecting themselves through their personal wilfulness. But
(01:55):
you've got to understand, Leo is a very highly intuitive
So people don't really recognize that enough. But Leo is
about the all is mind concept. They are in the mind,
and so their greatest their greatest gift is understanding their
(02:16):
heart and learning it's the will of God, not their will.
It's okay, thy will, not my will.
Speaker 3 (02:25):
Right.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
And so when you're talking about a person that is
highly creative, highly romantic, highly playful, I mean they're good
at everything because I mean that's just their nature, their fire.
They're a fireside. So whatever they they go after and do,
(02:47):
that's it magnifies it because they don't seem like they
have a lot of insecurities or lack of confidence, right,
and so what you're reading is a positive attitude about themselves,
(03:07):
and that positive attitude has to be used in a
right and proper way.
Speaker 3 (03:12):
So it really kind of depends on where the energy
is coming from. Like if you were saying, if they're
leading with their heart, it sounds like there's a lot
of positive contributions they can make with that intuitive nature,
the charismatic parts of themselves. But if they're leading with
their ego, then that's maybe some of the stuff that
I was talking about earlier or interpreting as LEO energy.
Speaker 2 (03:36):
Well, I mean, you know what you're talking about the
most creative sign, So I mean you know who are
they creating for themselves or for others? What's the eedit
of God? Or the consciousness is serve my children? Well,
so where are you going to put your priorities as
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a leo to help others and to create for others?
Or is it about making you bigger, better, and greater
than everybody else?
Speaker 3 (04:09):
So isn't that every sign? Though in a little bit
of a like, aren't aren't we all supposed to be
leading with how we can serve others versus ourselves.
Speaker 2 (04:18):
Well, yes, and we all have Leo somewhere.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
True. Okay, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (04:24):
Okay, but I mean, you know, when you're talking about
the Leo new mood, this is about it's about the
will and control and what are you? What are you
doing with your Leo power? And so you know, the
one thing that we didn't miss last month was at
mercury retrograde. I know, so everybody's been experiencing that for
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here a couple of weeks. But I mean, you know,
it's like what I what I wrote in the outline,
it's about standing up for oneself. Well who better to
stand up for oneself than a Leo?
Speaker 3 (04:59):
Oh for sure?
Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, okay, So in other words, it's kind of working
along along those lines with a murcury retrograde. And of course,
when you're talking about all this energy, there's a heck
of a lot of energy that's been going on because
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of the shadow issues this month.
Speaker 3 (05:24):
What do you mean? Shadow issues?
Speaker 2 (05:26):
Issues about not being your authentic you? You're hiding what
are you suppressing about yourself? How are you? How are
you trying to be what you think everybody wants you
to be instead of you being who you really are.
I mean, doesn't that sound like being authentic? Sounds like Leo?
(05:48):
Doesn't it?
Speaker 3 (05:49):
Oh for sure? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Okay, thing personality with confidence and warmth, that's what Leo,
This Leo New Moon's about. If you're doing it with confidence,
you know, a person that has a little bit of
insecurity or a lot of insecurity, they're not going to
like somebody with a little lot of confidence. Shoulders back,
(06:13):
strut forward, you see. So that can be a lot
of misreading of Leo. And so we all have to
learn how to live in our passion, be in our
passion itself, be in our strong sense of who we are.
Why should we be any less than? So I think
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that's the basic theme that we're going into this month
with is be all you can be. Oh that's a
good one.
Speaker 3 (06:43):
It is a good one. Why is there because we've
talked about this the last couple of months as far
as embracing authenticity and how we're going to keep bumping
up against things that are going to push us in
that direction? Is that the overall theme of Pluto and
Aquarius or where is that coming from? That that's such
a big theme right now.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
The Pluto bumping up against this new moon is exacerbating, okay.
In other words, that's what energy does when it's in
a conflicted alignment with another energy, is that it magnifies conflict,
whether it's in an opposition or a square or a
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another kind of conflicted aspect. It brings out the troubles
or that you're that we all have to try to overcome.
Where are our hidden fears? What are our control issues?
I just talked about that with a client here before
(07:45):
before we got on, I mean, and she said, the
perfect thing. I wanted to make this relationship right, I said,
where the hell do you get off making any relationship? Right? See,
that's a.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
Control issue to make it work.
Speaker 2 (08:02):
Yes, you don't make it work about you just being
all you can be, loving, kind, generous, and so forth,
and allow the relationship to unfold like it is. Or
are you going to try to suppress you're authentic you
(08:23):
or how you really feel because it may rub up
against somebody, or or if somebody may misinterpret it, if
you're trying to get the outer world to interpret you
the way you want to be. That's a control issue, and.
Speaker 3 (08:41):
That some time like that, Yeah, huh, I said, I
have lived some time like that for sure.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
Well we all have we all want the best for
things to work out, and sometimes they do and a
lot of times they don't. So you've got to do
to say.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
It's one of the things that you always talk about
where it's like we are attaching though, we're attaching to
the outcome, as if we know what would be best,
whereas in reality it's like if it's not working out,
that's supposed to be the way, Like it's not supposed
to work out.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Well, I mean, you know, I think that's the trouble
with goals. People set goals. Well, I've people just.
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Had this conversation that is so weird. You brought that up.
I said, when someone says to me, what are your
six month planning, I'm like, that to me actually communicates
me getting in the way. Like I think it's good
to have an idea of a direction you want to go,
of course, but if you're attaching so hard to why
I need this to be here in five months or here,
here in one month, here in five months, here in
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six months, whatever, you're going to miss out on so
much stuff that the universe does or could do or
will do or whatever, And you kind of get back
in that driver's seat.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
Well, and one of the things I'm always telling people
looks par could give you more than you could ever
want for yourself. Yeah, you know, I used to love
the Jesus quote about know thyself and ponder thy path.
Speaker 3 (10:07):
Say plan it out, pond.
Speaker 2 (10:10):
Go work yourself up to get to this specific goal.
As a matter of fact, that's exactly what I told
this client just a little while ago. Quit treating a
relationship like some goal. You're going to make it be something.
I mean, you'll ruin the relationship.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
That's what society teaches us to do. Though it's like
check the box.
Speaker 2 (10:36):
Would that be the first time the society teaches you
something that's wrong?
Speaker 3 (10:40):
No, absolutely not, Okay.
Speaker 2 (10:42):
This is why we try to study spirituality and universal
truths and universal concept like live in the now right
and of course you know my favorite special of all,
live your excitement, follow your passion, and let go of
the outcome.
Speaker 3 (11:01):
Right.
Speaker 2 (11:01):
Because you're not the doer. So you can say I
would have set a goal, all you won and it
means nothing. I mean, we've all set goals in our life,
and how many times you've reached the goal and you
get there and it feels like, oh wow, this isn't
as big a deal as I thought it was.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Well, and then you set yourself up to keep just
chasing more because you get there.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
Ye yeah, you want more implorable, right. I mean I
experienced that when I was a golfer and wanted to
be a better golfer and a better golfer. And one
time I shot three hunder par and I was the
talk of the whole clubhouse, and you know, all that euphoria,
(11:44):
and then I'm on my way home to my two
daughters and my wife that could give it prep less, right,
I thought, Wow, I've hit thousands and thousands and thousands
of golf balls to be so good, and this is
the epitome of it.
Speaker 3 (12:00):
There was, It's.
Speaker 2 (12:01):
Got to be more than this. And so it's about
letting go of old identities that no longer serve you, okay,
and you and you get that when you bump up
against another relationship and the objective and the objective way,
and you know, and that's what the shadow is. Other
(12:23):
people bring our shadow. We don't. I mean, you don't
go digging for your own crap. You try, you try
to go understand why somebody is responding or reacting and
why you're responding and reacting to the world. And that's
(12:43):
the shadow. That's how it comes out. It don't come
out because you're an island. It comes out because you're
interacting with the world. And so we have a Chiron,
which is the wounded healer. That's so important, and New
Moon is the core wounds around self worth, identity, and assertiveness.
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That's the woundedness that we're dealing with at whatever level
you're at. So we're all dealing with the core wounds
of self worth, identity, and assertiveness because this is what
we're trying to This is the road towards authentic and
(13:29):
authenticity is to discover where are we? Where are we confidence?
Where are we standing tall and straight and vulnerable and
being able to express our uniqueness? And of course you
know there's a lot of personal wounding around that, and
(13:49):
there's a problem, a lot of wounding around self extression
and empowerment. Where are we not using our power? Where
are we don't feel in howard or insecure about projecting
our image? Very leo, So we're invited to heal old traumas.
(14:10):
What's the trauma behind our insecurities, our lack of authentic expression.
And I think that that's a lot of what we're
doing with this chiron is we got to face our
fears of rejection and invisibility. I mean, where are we
(14:30):
trying to not be vulnerable, not be exposed? I mean,
this person actually has to go for a work interview,
and I was telling her, you interview at work, just
like you work. She's a salesperson and very good, but
(14:51):
she has relationship issues because she wants one so bad
that she's willing to overlook her into wish to overlook
what was going wrong with the relationship even though she
intuitively felt it. That's a big, big lesson.
Speaker 3 (15:11):
No, I'm not it, so I'm aware.
Speaker 2 (15:16):
Another thing mm hm, another thing we're dealing with is
a Mars the UH, the energy planet of energy is UH.
(15:38):
It's it's UH forcing us to look at our old
karmic patterns and how we've come to respond to others
around habits and service and criticism and perfectionism and over functioning.
You know, that's one that we don't we rarely talk about.
(15:59):
Where are we overfunction Where are we trying so hard
to make something be what we want it to be,
or to serve another person in a way that we're
abandoning ourselves instead of making it be an equal give
(16:21):
and take. And I think that overfunctioning is a that's
a huge verbal problem.
Speaker 3 (16:27):
Yeah, it's interesting you say we never talked about it,
because I'm like, I feel like that. I talk about
that theme all the time because that is the story
of my life. It's being in relationships where I didn't
even realize I was overfunctioning. And I still can get
in those patterns, but it doesn't work anymore because of
where I am now. It's like the second it starts happening,
I feel it. I buck back as something happens. And
(16:49):
in fact, this past week, even my boyfriend and I
got into it a little bit because I was feeling
that thing. I thought I was doing the same thing
I've done in the past where I overgive or whatever.
And it was so interesting because when we really started
talking about it, I thought, this has nothing to do
with him. It was all this old stuff that I
had just gotten triggered into feeling like that's what he
(17:14):
was asking of me or something like I made up
all these stories in my head, and when I really
broke it down with him, I was like, wait, that
didn't come from him at all. That was so living
inside of me, and it just got triggered when I
was reading this outline. I was thinking, well, isn't it
always the astrology is right on time, right, Like I'm
always going through exactly what's happening. But it's that theme
(17:34):
of where you feel like you can start out giving
from a place of just care or wanting in a
positive way, but then it can quickly for me, go
into going too far and like you said, the self
abandonment to the point of the only time I'll recognize
that I'm doing it as if I start melting down
or something. So it's just it's always interesting, but it
(17:57):
totally comes for me from not only this time but
other lifetimes. And I think all this Chiron and Mars
especially conjunct the South Numbrgo, it just really brought it
up to the surface for me again.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Well, I mean, you know, and it says that in
the right and this last line, compulsion to do it
all and get it right, yep, stuck in an old loop, harmic.
It's contenuous. It's a perception perspective that you've get brought
into this lifetime that you're trying to make a correction
(18:31):
to allow everything to be as it is instead of
trying to make it what you want it to be.
And of course that's the evolutionary lesson is to trust
the process in opening up to a divine creativity. You know,
one thing I kept saying to her over and over
was communicate, because she had us out north note in Gemini.
(18:55):
I said, you come in to communicate. You're a tremendous
sales person because you've got that sage self node and
they go for goals and go exactly towards what it
is they want. Well, that doesn't work in a relationship
because you're needing to communicate inner issues, inner intimacies, inner concepts,
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and you just can't gloss over them and hope they'll
go away. Right, And that's what happens a lot when
we're trying so hard to make something work out like
we want it to work out. So I mean, there
it is again.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Yeah, you're just your way through it versus actually paying
attention to what's happening.
Speaker 2 (19:41):
Right, And of course guess what this marsh self node
venus is squaring is Gemini. So that's communication. We've got
to communicate how we're feeling honestly, whether it hurts that
person's or not. You're not in charge of hurting anything
(20:04):
or anybody. You're in charge of being honest, and that's
all you can be. That's all you can give is honesty.
And so we've got to talk about the it's authentic
self expression. It hurt my feelings, okay, It's just like
when we were arguing the other time, you were saying, well,
(20:27):
I don't feel like i'm being heard. See, that was
an honest expression, and that allowed me to make some
adjustments in trying to make sure that I was listening
and responding to you to help you understand that I
am listening and I do hear you. And so that's
(20:51):
how it works, and that's how it's supposed to work.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
Yeah, but you know what I love about what you
just said that I think was a long lesson for
me within relationship, was like you said that I expressed
myself honestly, and that helped you to make some adjustments
because you actually hurt You did hear me, and then
you made some adjustments to making sure that that was
being communicated to me. But that's a reciprocal situation, right,
(21:16):
And I think so often in the past, I would
be in situations where even if I was communicating honestly.
And I'm saying this for the listeners who if anyone's
struggling in relationship or maybe your client that you were
just talking about. It's like, if you're in a relationship
where you can't communicate honestly and that be heard and
then maybe you know there's some adjustments made or a rebuttal,
(21:37):
even a kind rebuttal or with other honesty, then you're
not in a reciprocal situation. That's never gonna work anyway. Like,
if one person is being honest and the other one
doesn't want to have anything to do with that, you
can't carry it all, Like you can't be the only
one doing that. Does that make sense what I'm trying
to say?
Speaker 2 (21:53):
What sure? That was exactly the issue that I had
a you know, a whole discussion with her about. I mean,
you know, if he's not going to be the man
and you're going to do all the given, it's never
going to work because that's not what the masculine is.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Well, it's also just one sided and you'll end up
in place.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, and you can't you can't be responsible for making
it making it be any other way, but why it is?
But you see what I've always taught Kelly is people
intuitively know of course, with things aren't.
Speaker 3 (22:32):
Right, of course, I always I just didn't.
Speaker 2 (22:34):
Whether's somebody is cheating on them, whether their spouse is cheating.
I always ask the question, so when did you really
feel and know that it was going on instead of
when did you bring it up?
Speaker 3 (22:51):
Right? That's a great question.
Speaker 2 (22:53):
Why would wait so long to go through all that
pain and hurt knowing that there was a cheating going
on something?
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Well, because you don't want to believe it. Right, then
you do all the contorting to try to try to
make it not true. But it's still true.
Speaker 2 (23:13):
You don't want to believe it because you don't want
to accept reality. Is reality? Right? I just heard Elon
Musk say the biggest problem with people is truth, and
they want it to be their truth instead of the truth.
So we have to learn to release old ways of
(23:33):
our asserting ourselves and relating to others. Embrace soulful service
without self sacrifice. That is so huge. Embrace soul service
without self sacrifice. I mean that's the way I've always
(23:54):
measured having to overcome my sensitivity about being a cute
used of something is I had to look into my
own heart and say, did I have some skin in
the game there? What was it my action? And was
I was I aware of that action? And then I
(24:16):
can If I don't have skin in the game, well
then I don't take it personally at all. If I
have skin in the game, well then I make an adjustment.
I take responsibility for me, I take responsibility for my actions.
And that's what we've got to do. We've got to
let go of roles or identities built on pleasing others
(24:39):
and perfectionism. I mean that says it all. Let go
of roles or identities built on pleasing others. Yeah, you
know it's doing that.
Speaker 3 (24:51):
You know it's ping, Oh well for sure, and I
think a lot of people do. I would say that
it's something for me that I still it's just a
instant work in progress on that one. And really the
question I have to ask myself when I find myself
bumping up against that, like am I abandoning myself to
please others? Am I self sacrificing focusing too much on
(25:15):
being this perfect version of something or creating this perfect scenario,
what's the thing that's being threatened? And most of the
time it's my own security, And so somehow I've put
my security and safety within another person too, which is
also the problem or a situation or a job or anything.
But all of those things are out of my control
(25:35):
at the end of the day. So to really attach
my security to that thing, of course, I'm going to
want to try to control it and make it perfect
or you know, people please to think that I'm in
control of a situation or relationship, even it's all unconscious
until I am starting to kind of recognize it. But yeah, anyway,
all that is to say, I think it's a really
interesting question to ask yourself, like, what's the driver behind
(25:58):
those actions? Because as usually we're just trying to survive
as human beings. I think that's kind of.
Speaker 2 (26:04):
I mean, and this statement says it perfect. What part
of you wants to control how others see you?
Speaker 3 (26:10):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:11):
How much do we all walk around want to be
seen the way we want to be seen?
Speaker 3 (26:17):
Right?
Speaker 2 (26:19):
The problem is as we get into trying to manipulate
how they see us. That's the problem that come line
manipulating how you want to be seen by others. And
so we've got to reclaim our own, our own voice.
We've got to heal the fear of not being enough,
for being too much. It's got to be you know,
(26:40):
I like the other one, it's not reclaim your creative voice,
not for validation, but as a sacred act of self love.
Don't you just love that self act of self love?
Very Leo. And so when you see a Leo being
(27:00):
a Leo, you just have to understand that that's a
sacred act of self love. We have to love ourselves.
I mean so often I have said I've told people
that wanted to get into a relationship, and I said,
you just love yourself like you want to be loved.
That goes out into the universe and comes directly back
(27:21):
and absorbed by you. So you've got to have the
relationship with yourself first.
Speaker 3 (27:28):
Yes, that's so. Do you think we look at that.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
This whole full moon? I mean, look at that statement,
having the mental discipline to hold fear and greed at
lust at bay within oneself, seeking instruction from the inner feminine.
That's the full moon that supports all of this stuff
(27:53):
that we're trying to go through with this new moon
in Leo and discovering our relationships to ourself because that's
what really this is always all about, isn't it. So
Leo is just not a relationship to self. And so
you know, we've got a Neptune saturn opposing the Mars.
(28:15):
So there's a lot of frustration. You know, you got
to look at the internal blocks, you know, what are
what you angry about? What's the crisis? Transform impulsive reactivity?
We need to slow down and reflect before we're acting
(28:36):
a lot. I mean, how many times we've been told
to count to ten twenty? Shit? I hold you. I
told some people, man, you need to count to fifty.
Ain't gonna do it.
Speaker 3 (29:00):
That's interesting to me. I guess that's the Oh that's
the Saturn opposing Mars. Okay, because I was like, that's
still a very fully and clearious energy to me.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
But okay, well yeah, but the but the tricks to
there is it's Neptune. You're not seeing it clearly, right, right,
So you Saturn is going to structure it the way
you want it the structure, but you're not seeing really
how it should be structured or could be structured that
(29:31):
will be more in balance. And so that's why you've
got to transform this impulsiveness to make it more mindful,
make it more purposeful action. And then, of course, I mean,
here we go again with Pluto opposing Mars. Psychological insights
(29:54):
into the shadow and material emerging in conversations or thought patterns.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
You said opposing Mars you mean Mercury, right, Yeah, which
is all about communication.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
It's all about communication. So in other words, we've got
to learn to use communication with others and how we
communicate to discover some of these maybe mental intensity or
truth or manipulation or why are we saying what we're saying.
(30:26):
It's an evaluator. Pluto always brings up shadows and things
that you need to really look at instead of shoving
it down or hiding it. And so that's a big deal.
But the biggest deal of the news of the full
moon for me was that Juno Investor Juno is about
(30:49):
the is about relationships, period. That's your capability of relating. Okay,
So there's going to be tension in this full moon,
and if you just think about this whole podcast so far,
you'll understand why there's tension and what you can do
to address this tension. Unmet needs, identity, commitment. The tension
(31:17):
arises between the need for independence and personal purpose and
the relationship loyalty. I mean, you know that could be
as divisive an issue as there is how do I
get my needs met? But I stay within the context
of a relationship, So that's will certainly bring a challenge.
(31:39):
So this is karmic contracts, and that's what this Juno
full Moon's about, is healing that looking at your relationship
issues and realizing that this is a contract that you're
dealing with this month. You're bringing this in and to
(32:01):
specifically heal these relationship issues around communications and self love
and of course divesta. This is how we're able to,
you know, express ourselves. This is the bringing about that
sense of conflict between our calling and emotional needs. The
(32:27):
healing messages are you a banning your sacred devotion for
external validation see here. Yet again, it's being brought up
by energies. So it's a lot of energies about validating
self and loving self. And then because when you love yourself,
(32:47):
you're not hiding yourself, you're not suppressing yourself, You're being
honest and you're capable of being loving, joyful and in
harmony when you're you, So that's what it's all about.
One of the things that I liked about this was
(33:10):
what karmic contracts? Am I ready to release? So you
got to I mean, you know, when I talked to
the client, I mean, you know, that's the one question
I asked her. I said, how are you going to
look at these two major relationships that you had, see
how they simultaneously kind of did the same thing, and
(33:31):
how did you work with that under knowledge so that
you can change it going forward.
Speaker 3 (33:39):
Well, that's why you take a karma contract, right, Yes, yeah.
Speaker 2 (33:44):
You realize what you keep repeating. It's a perception perspective.
And of course, where am I suppressing my truth to
maintain peace? Oh? Man, that's a big one.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
That is the big one. That's a hard thing. I
think it's interesting about the juno aspect because I like
the opposition of expressing yourself, owning your truth, being honest,
really being in touch with your own needs and balancing
that within a relationship and like what's best for the relationship,
(34:20):
you know. I think that's kind of one of the
battles we're all constantly going back and forth between, is
like how do I not sacrifice myself for this relationship.
But how do I not completely just think about myself
in detriment to the relationship, you know, like just that
balancing act.
Speaker 2 (34:38):
Yeah, I mean, look, the bottom line to relationships a
win win situation. What do you mean it's never a
sixty forty or forty eighty or forty twenty or it's
never it's a win win. How do I win and
you win? We have our tough I said. You said,
I'm not being listened to. I said, in my own mind,
(35:02):
I need to slow down. I need to pay attention
to what she say and try to convey what I'm
feeling so that we both understand.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Yeah, and it's a win win, right.
Speaker 2 (35:15):
And so too often we try to make it a
m experience that you have to Uh, if you face
it over and over and over, you're going to recognize it.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
Sure.
Speaker 2 (35:29):
Yeah, okay, So where my fast is suppressing suppressing my
truth to maintain peace, that's a big one. I don't
want to start no ship here. I say that, Oh are.
Speaker 3 (35:50):
You suppressing something? Oh you're saying in relationship in general? Yeah,
that's tough. I mean it is tough.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
It is very difficult. So it ain't like everybody, we're
all not dealing with it because we are.
Speaker 3 (36:04):
Of course I agree.
Speaker 2 (36:07):
And so the Virgo new moon comes on the twenty third. Okay,
and listen to this being true to oneself and viewpoint.
That just sounds like a continuation.
Speaker 3 (36:21):
Doesn't it, Yes, very much.
Speaker 2 (36:23):
Observing one's best and worst traits from the reactions of others,
friends and enemies. Who better to learn from than your enemy?
Speaker 3 (36:36):
Oof, that one's gonna eat me? But okay, I don't know.
I got to think about that one.
Speaker 2 (36:43):
Well, bake it through. Your enemy is going to show
you more than a friend may withhold. A friend may
not tell you, but an enemy will damn sure tell you.
Right then, you got to do what I said earlier.
Then now you have to evaluate what your heart intention is.
Speaker 3 (37:04):
Yeah, hmmm, ponderings.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
Well, and of course it's Virgo, so you know it's
walking to talk cultivating character through honest criticism. How often
do you stand in front of the mirror and say,
you dog you?
Speaker 3 (37:24):
Well, I'll be honest, Like, I think there's two types
of people. I think some people don't have any concept
of they don't talk to themselves that way at all.
And then there's people like I'm one of these people.
I'm overly critical of myself, and so I can be like,
I have to talk myself out of doing what you
just described, because I'll break myself down to every nth degree,
(37:47):
you know, and take too much responsibility there, right, And
that's why I'm thumping under the enemy thing as well.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
This is where Virgo gets into too much perfectionism exactly,
too much credit, too much evaluation.
Speaker 3 (38:02):
So you got to be yes on burning.
Speaker 2 (38:05):
Because that's not good either. But the energy for the
Virgo new moon is going to be a Uranus squares
the new moon, which is going to create a lot
of intense dynamics between order and disruption, the known and
the unknown, the routine and the awakening. No, Uranus is
(38:29):
always breaking up Saturn. So we structure our lives with Saturn,
and Uranus comes in and says, okay, you've played that
game long enough, we need to break it up. So
with break up, breakout, break away, and break free is
the name of Uranus, and it's so that we will
grow and evolve. If you state in your Saturn all
(38:53):
the time, if you stayed in your rut of building
the reality you choose, you wouldn't evolve, you'd keep it consistent,
you would keep it so it wasn't challenging. But that's
not allowed with uronics.
Speaker 3 (39:07):
Oh isn't transiting my rising sign for the last seven years.
Trust me when I say it will break you down?
Will it will make you grow? For sure?
Speaker 2 (39:18):
Yeah. So it'll bring mental restlessness, It'll bring nervous system
rewiring and unconventional communication. So our shadow side, well, we
could have some health floor ups through nervousness stress. The
anxiety could be around needing to control versus the unpredictable.
(39:41):
I mean, if it's unpredictable and yet it's happening, you
got to come to terms with.
Speaker 3 (39:46):
It, right, that's the accepting reality thing.
Speaker 2 (39:50):
Again, that's accepting reality. So there are a lot of
be a lot of breakdowns of systems and technology. A
lot of things suddenly happen.
Speaker 3 (39:59):
It feels like away then at the month.
Speaker 2 (40:02):
Yeah, and we got to take a high road, break
free from rigid routines, discover where we're being so rigid
in our routines. I mean, I just saw something about
breaking that up is just you know, just little things,
just do something different than what you always do. It.
(40:22):
It's a good way too you know, not get stuck
in a rut. We we you know, we had we
developed these habits and routines. And if you'll just take
a few, maybe one or two each day and do
it differently, do it at a different time, do it
(40:44):
in a different way. That breaks up a rut and
a routine. It brings you more into allowing some of
that shadow issues to come out instead of being stuck
in a rut. Redesign daily practices using intuition and innovation
and flexibility. It braks a healing method or modality that
(41:05):
is radical or futuristic. Another what I road was a
download moment. Sudden insight changes how you see your daily life,
your body, your service work. You know, this is all
about paying attention to the body, because the body will
always tell you what's going on in the mind. Yep.
(41:29):
And so you pay attention to the body. If they
don't feel good, don't do it. That would be the
opposite of us in the sixties.
Speaker 3 (41:38):
Right. Well, it seems like overall there's some reoccurring themes,
even with all the different planetary things happening, Like it
seems very clearly like there's a couple of themes that
are just going to continue to come up in different ways,
in different forms, and so I'm going to put some
of these journal prompts that Marv mentioned on the New
(42:00):
Velvet Edge podcast Instagram. That's going to be something we're
starting this August so now, so you guys can go
check that out. Marv. If anyone wants to do a
session with you and have their own birth chart read
or do some hypnosis, maybe this is a good good
time for hypnosis, right to look deep into the shadows
and things like that. Where would they find you at.
Speaker 2 (42:22):
Marv at astrobarv dot com, all right, the best place
to reach me? Or Marvid bl hypnosis dot com.
Speaker 3 (42:30):
Okay, I'll put you away. I'll put both of those
in the description of this podcast for you guys, and
also Marv's website so you can go check out some
of his work. Marv, thanks for being here with us.
We made it through. We didn't fight this time, see Kelly,
I'm just kidding.
Speaker 2 (42:47):
We've been in love for so long and we don't fight.
Speaker 3 (42:53):
It was very in line with the astrology at the time,
so it all makes sense. The astrology is always astrology.
Speaker 1 (42:59):
Eing.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
I guess is that I say that it doesn't really
work anyway, Mark, Yeah, exactly, Marv. Thanks for being with us,
and thank you guys so much for listening.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
It was my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (43:13):
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