December 3, 2025 • 32 mins
December is a month of truth rising, emotional release, and the collapse of old stories. Master astrologer Marvin Wilkerson breaks down the energetic turning point that pushes clarity, exposes outdated beliefs, sharpens intuition, and marks the beginning of a new spiritually aligned chapter as 2025 comes to a close.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
I feel like, so we always do this where we
talk before the podcast and then I'm like, wait, wait, wait,
wait wait, we got to like press record and bring
the listeners in because we were doing our own little
session before. But we have so much going on in December,
and it's been I feel like twenty twenty five has
just been this year where every time I get on
the podcast with you, Marv, I'm going, oh God, like
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what's coming next? Because it's just been one of those
years where there's a lot of waves and we were
just talking about moving forward, like we are really genuinely
moving into this new paradigm where things are going to change,
and we've been saying that for a while, but there's
just new structures, Like we have been in the destroying
part of it, and now things maybe are going to
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move into the rebuilding or unraveling some more. I don't know.
That's why we're here to talk to you. So can
you tell us what's coming up in December? To wrap
it here?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, you know, I think that we've all been swept
along a little bit by the change and the president
and the new reality that's being brought in and all
those changes, and it's very hard to personalize these changes
and swallow a lot of these changes. And I think
(01:26):
that as we were talking about the twenty nine degrees
of a twenty nine degree Scorpio Nuba, that we're actually
still operating off of we talked about last month, the
courage to stand up for what you believe in, and
I think that that's going to get more and more powerful,
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stronger within each one of us individually, so that we
now are moving more individually as self realized people than
moving forward in its elective drama that we've been in.
And that's what Scorpio is about, is discovering some of
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those things that we've didn't been trying to suppress or
not be involved with, not talk about, or now get
in that polarity between political fractions and so forth, to
where now we're going to come more into the strength
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of who we truly are within ourselves. And we'll be
communicating that over the next month as we move into
the Pisces full mood and then the Sagittarious new mood
on the what the nineteenth and Sagittarius hosts nothing back
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what you are going to get exactly what they think.
So we're going to enter into discussion and reflections of
what's going on for us and what's happening with other people,
because we're going to get into direct discussions. We're going
to get into just like we've been talking about. I
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want you to understand what I'm saying, Yeah, because I
even want you to be with me or against me,
but I want to know where we are in this
polarity and how I'm processing that. So that's what's going
to be important, especially in this Gemini full moon coming
up in just a handful of days.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, it's happening this week, right, Yeah, the fourth of
the fourth, And.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
So we've got to learn to release the fear and
control of being swept along by the lack will cause
of dynamics, humanity's dynamics we're all going through right now,
whether it's the countries, whether it's this country and the
politic system. I mean, we've just been even not wanting
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to be swept along. We've been swept.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Along totally now and now with.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
The Saturn neptune that's come in, we've got to realize
that we can't see everything. We don't know the truth,
so there's no sense in trying to process and straighten
it out from our perspective individually, because you can't you
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don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
That's interesting that that's what's happening. I mean, you know,
as they always say, A so above or what is
it as above so below? And all of the ways
that astrology is always playing into our day to day
lives is so true and we just don't even realize it.
Sometimes I tell you like I'm experiencing something and then
I talk to you and I'm like, oh, well, this
lines up perfectly, And this is one of those situations
(04:53):
because I think so many of us have been so
bombarded and overwhelmed with all the information, all the five being,
all of the like pick aside, my side is right
yourself that you're just tired, right, Like I just feel
that where I'm like, I don't want to fight. I
don't want to even know half of the stuff you're
saying because tomorrow you're gonna be saying something totally different
(05:15):
because we're getting more information. And it just feels like
that constantly now, like you can't fully buy into anything
because the information is unfolding slowly. So it's just sort
of a sit back, take it in as you can
sensation is what I feel, and then if I can't,
I just worry about myself, Like I just don't have
it in me all the time right now.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, And I mean, you know, that's kind of what
Scorpio is saying this month as we're still operating off
the new moon. The Scorpio Scorpio is about peeling the
layers of onion. Yeah, get to the core. And we'll
still be doing that even at the full moon, but
the full moon is now going to illuminate that process.
(05:56):
So we are certainly going to bump up against some people,
people and our authenticity that we had no clue that
was going to affect people that way or impact people
that a way. Because the Gemini new moon is all
about communication.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Okay, let's talk about that a little bit. Tell us
a little bit about this.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Wow, the impact of the full moon is really I mean,
you know, for months I've been talking about intuition and
feelings and your psychic experiences. Yeah, and of course, look
at what the full moon degree is saying. Acting on
intuition and psychic clashes. We're all wanting to know what
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is our bottom line? What is the bottom line, and
is this information that I'm receiving reliable. Can I believe
in this? Can I buy in this? It's like, for example,
it's like reading the news now all the time, there's
an article about social security changing, social Security, stan Security.
(07:06):
I've heard it so much and then I looked into
it to see what it is, and it's just one
little fragment that's changing. And I'm saying, oh, that don't
partake to me. But yet the news media keeps bringing
it up, and it's just.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Well, because they're doing clickbait, Marv, that's what we call that,
and it's just they gotcha, they no. And the thing,
the main thing I think is the new clickbait, the
way that it's moved the last couple of years. They've
realized how much fear is the thing that gets the
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most clicks, right, And so that is the thing being
advertised so often. And we're being marketed with headlines like
I mean, I literally had headlines take me out in
a certain phase of my life because they were talking
about me in a way that wasn't true. And then
if you read the article, it say that. But nobody
reads the articles. They just click on the fucking headline,
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and that's infuriating you know, and it's for for what
you're saying. It's they're tapping into the fear. That's what
we've learned to do. So we really do have to
use you have to use your critical thinking with everything
coming at you these days.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well, and look at that last line I have there
in the new moment scorpio, which we're still operating on. Okay,
from fear and control. Oh there old trauma, Pats. Well,
the trauma for me as a Social Security recipient would
be all.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
They're schooling with my solid security, all they're going to
take it away, all they can't afford it.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I mean, that's nothing but a bunch of fear and
a bunch of craps.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Of course you're trying to mess with your security.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So the clickbait is is Okay, let me look at
this article and see what they're saying. Because stuff is
changing so.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Fast, you don't know exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
So I get to the points dungeon, Oh, that's crap,
there's nothing changing. I mean, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Read an article this morn and said, well, in two
thousand and thirty three, I said, are you kidding me?
Eight years from now, you're you're making headlines for a change.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Eight years from now, right, go to be kidding me.
So I look at that and say, okay, will you
stop being triggered by this stupid headline. But you know
they're stupid, you know they're fault, they're lives.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But you saying that is you saying I'm not going
to be controlled too at the same time, right, because
that's what it's doing, right, We let ourselves be controlled
by fear. That's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And you know, the thing about this full moon in
Jemini is Jemedi is usually an airy, playful kind of expression.
This Gemini moon is not going to be airy very really.
(10:08):
That is going to be much more of battling up
against evil. And when I read that, I said, I
can't say evil or I put in immorality. Okay, immorality
is the way I would like to say it, because
I don't like to just project evil. But there are
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a lot of things going on that's em and I
think that we all have to call it out, we
all have to take a stand up against it. We
also have to understand this can be a very seductive power.
It's just like I'm sucked in by the clickmate headlines
it's very seductive.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Which part power? Which part is very seductive though?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Immoralities and headlines and got it and the challenges to
the what's going on in the world. What do you
think that Putin is saying every time he says, oh,
we're a nuclear power, there ain't no chances and the
hell there's ever going to be a nuclear bomb drop?
But I've heard a nuclear bomb over the last year
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about one hundred times. Why because it's going to bring
up fear and it's a way to control and manipulate.
And for me, I mean, I just know that there's
want to be no nuclear sett off. And so the
clipbait is seductive for sure. It pulls its in.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
On both sides because the reason the word immorality is
tripping me up a little bit. If I'm being honest,
I'm like, this is one of those words that everyone
would have their interpretation of what that is. So how
do we even see it the same or like, I
know what you're saying because I know you and I
know what that means to you. But like to some
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Joe Schmoe walking down the street, he could look at
immorality as if you are gay or you're whatever, and like,
I don't believe that, but do you know what I'm
saying or getting say.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So, then let me try to clarify that. Okay, evil
is when a person is doing it for self and grandisem.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Like dark motivation. Yeah, for self selfish purpose like self
centered el Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
When we are accepting of humanity, that's morality. That's actually
our job is to help advance the collective. Nope, advance people, Nope,
advance life as a humanity. And I've realized also somebody
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I'm you know, I'm in the gym. Somebody said something about, oh,
you're a you're a socialist, and wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You go way deeper than any gym conversations.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I'm at Brad, I realized, from now on, I'm not
a socialist. I'm a humanitarian. I care about all of humanity.
Am I having trouble with some of the things that's
going on in our society and our culture? Yes, yeah,
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can you not? But in the bottom line is as
I'm a humanitarian, and when you read astology, it ain't
just for this time, for the whole world. We're all
growing as a collective, as a species, as we awaken
as self realization and move towards that. We're all moving
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towards self realization. We're all moving towards a greater society
as a whole. They collected as humanity. So I'm no
longer a socialist. I'm a humanitarian. That's the way I
want the label.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Can there be a humanitarian party in politics? We need
to label that Teman.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Then all of a sudden, we'd ruined it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
That's true. Somehow humans would find a way.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, and so I think that that's what we're going
to do, is start facing opposition. Okay, because we're community,
it's GIVENI it's communicating, So our passion is going to
come out when we communicate.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Mm.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
And I think that that's what this particular full moon
is going to be about. So when you put the
Scorpio new moon and the Gemini full moon together, yeah,
I must stand up for who I am. I'm not
going to just sit here and listen to idle conversation
and tell me stuff that I don't believe in. I'm
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not going to be called a socialist when you don't
even probably know what a socialist is. But I'm not
going to I'm not going to even stand for it.
I mean you know.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So I feel like I'm having this visual right now
because like the combination of those two I just keep
seeing like Scorpio to me, is always going into the depths, right,
like the things like we're going to uncover all the
deep things. So what you're saying, We're going to uncover
the deep things we actually believe, and then this Gemini
is bringing it up to the surface to where we're like,
and I'm going to tell you what I think and
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I'm not going to hide this part of me anymore.
And what I truly believe is that what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, okay, I mean think about it. I mean Gemini
uses words, messages, conversations, and a conscious evaluation to everything. Well,
guess what this is going to force conversations that has
been avoided. So we're going to catch ourselves into conversations
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that may take some people about. Maybe we'll be thinking about, Yeah,
I didn't know you believe that. I didn't know you
think like that. Yeah, it's just like our pre pre
podcast conversation. I mean, we're still straightening out shipping.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
We are really really very hard at that one. I'm
proud of our effort though.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yes, I mean you know, I think that it's very
conducive to help understanding two sides. And I've come your way,
you come by way, sure, yeah, And it ain't going
to happen unless you have authentic communication, ineed And I
think that this is why it's so good. So yeah,
(16:57):
we're going to have some avoidable conversation that we tried
to avoid or tried not to say and you know,
say directly because maybe we thought it would hurt somebody.
Maybe we caught because we thought that it wouldn't be heard,
or maybe because we wanted to avoid an argument. And
(17:17):
I think that with Gemini and with Scorpio, you're not
going to be able to avoid it because you just
want to feel like you're not being you, you're not
expressing yourself, you see. And I think that that's very
very important. So we're going to be just like that
Scorpio works beneath the surface. We're going to be expressing
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and exposing some of these issues beneath our surface, okay,
and listening and listening to conversations that are beneath other
people's surface. And I think that this is this is
what this Gemini who is going to do, is going
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to really bring forward the challenge of maybe disagreements that
it brings up, but in those disagreements, you come to
a win win conversation. And I think that that's what
we're working on. We're working on coming to win win
conversations when you understand me and I understand you. It
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doesn't mean we have to use the exact burbiage, doesn't
mean we have to say the exact thing.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Believe the exact same things.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Right, But I can feel I can feel your honesty,
I can feel your understanding. I can feel the trust
that we can share and the caring. And I think
that that's what this Gemini for a moon is kind
of going to bring about.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I mean, how how long have we needed that in
this world? Very interesting?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, well it's twenty nine degrees. That's what twenty nine
degrees does.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, And of.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Course, so what is what is going to ask us
is what version of myself is real? And what is
a leftover story I've been telling myself. So we've got
to get honest and then I'll give you an insight.
Right now, you might as well get honest because we're
going to have a new moon and Sagittarius and that's
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hooked mouth disease. You're gonna say shit.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
You're going to say shit that's truthful to you, and
it's going to fly right out of your mouth and
you're going to go, oh, did I just say that?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's so Sagittarius, And that's.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
What sagittary is is all about. So you might as
well get real now in this full moon over the
next two weeks, and look, this is the truth. This
is a very spiritually aligning mood. Your inner truth must
watch your outer expression. So if you're not being completely honest,
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that's going to affect you. That's going to affect you.
That you're going to recognize you're not being totally honest,
because if Scorpio is about anything, it's about them feeling
when you're not totally oppous. They can psychically connect that
you're not being totally honest, and that's what drives them
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that shit or crazy is when somebody is saying something
and they can feel that they're not being.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Totally honest, right, but they're not getting.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And so we're going to recognize when we're not being
completely honest and we have to communicate.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I'm not mad at any of that. I feel like
it's probably coming after a lot of deep dives that
we've hopefully done on ourselves too. With all these retrogrades,
it was like everything was internal right, and it was
obviously being brought to the surface for us to heal
and see and change anything that needed to be changed
structure wise. But like now we have this where it's like, okay,
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so what did you learn during all that time?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
And I'll give you a caution all stuff okay, acting
on your intuition and psychic classes juniter juniors retigran, which
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means that isn't going to be easily the default way
of operating. We have to try to stay level with
our emotionality and listening and process that feeling when we're listening,
is that is the truth? You say, when you get
a good strong psychic impression or a good strong intuitive fit,
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that's not the process that's coming direct from the soul.
Why are you going to process that's coming direct from
the soul? You're not. And so it's very important that
we stay aware and in tune of how we're feeling
and feeling that intuitive voice and listening to those intuitive
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voices and feelings are going to work better for people
that don't think themselves, real psychic or real intuitive, they are,
but they are blocking sometimes when they get too much
emotion going in instead of just staying in neutral. So
it's going to be very important to stay in neutral
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for these two weeks so that you know, we we
trust ourselves, we trust what we say, and that that's
another good thing to do when you get into that
sad mood because you're going to stay ship. Did you say, oh,
do I really think that?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
So you're saying just trust what comes out of your mouth.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
For the full moon, trust your feelings, okay, because that's
you're intuitive side. And for sagittarious, which we can now
move towards, well we will and soon I get through
the energy patterns. But it's sagittarious. You're going to say
stuff that it's going to reflect who you authentically are. Interesting,
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and there's nothing wrong with that. It's being honest. If
there's anything hobbled about your Sagittarius, it's being honest. And
if you can't take honesty, well then we don't have
a relationship.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Right, it's not real anyway. All right, Well, let's move
into these energy patterns because I know we're running around
the energy.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
We're struggling with is Mars and Saturn are going to
square each other, so we're going to feel a little
controlled and restricted. Okay, so don't hold on. If you've
got anger out the twenty release the anger as quickly
as possible. Okay, work hard to release blaming of others.
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You're blaming others for something that's going on inside of you.
So if you're blaming, it's yours to learn. And then
of course we got Urana supposes mercury, so we're gonna
bump up against a lot of us eccentric thinking people
have got their own ideas and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Bring it on. We need some new ideas up in
this bitch. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So as we get into Sagittarius at twenty.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Nine degree, yeah, I love.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
The part where it says, this is a new chapter
of my spiritual mission begins now. Sagittarius represents the super
conscious mind, right, this is the most spiritual mental sign
in the zodiac, So your super conscious mind comes through
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and Sagittarius. And so we're building a new spiritual reality
with a Sagittarius new moon coming up in December nineteenth,
So we're connecting to some old soul contracts, and so
the teachers, mentors, our tribes are spiritual communities, global and consciousness.
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They're all going to be coming together, and so we
need to release old spiritual doctor. There is no dog,
There is no set belief. I mean, yeah, there is something.
There's no factuality in a belief. So we've got to understand.
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We need to try to let gold beliefs and open
up to the eccentricity of mental and mind. Let it be,
let it come through. Sagittarius is uncompromising integrity of thought
and action. You know, remember that's saying it used to
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be going around years ago. What you see is what
you get. Yes, that's what this new moon in side
is going very sad.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's what I love about a side though. It's like
it is. What you see is definitely what you get,
which is a beautiful quality in a lot of ways.
It can be a.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Flip Wilson, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I don't know, was it?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
What you see is what you get in the booth,
in the bath, in the court dark.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, I mean, if it is, it is, but I
like that it is. Sagittarius is always interesting because the
foot and mouth disease is real sage. But I really
do appreciate the part of a sage that it just
is what it is. I mean, there's no guessing with
a sage. It's it's right there, it's and that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Right. Yeah, So we are going to have to examine
some of our own soul contracts. What have we contracted
to in our participation? Okay, all contracts are where do
we find our self participating in life? And how are
we participating and how is it bumping up against a
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belief a reality that we build a are thinking our
factual beliefs. So I think that it's very important. And
of course we've got to be reminded that Saturn, nothing
is still going on, So we're going to have difficulty
trusting and seeing a reality that is outside of ourselves.
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So this is why the intuitive side and psychic side
of who we are has got to be more dominant
than trusting your eyesight, than trusting your ears, knowing, trust
your gut, your right and so Saturn also Saturn Neptune
(28:29):
is going to also going to square the new Moon's
that's a struggle. So our beliefs must evolve all the
old stories we told ourselves are not going to match
our spiritual reality. And of course, you know a lot
of times I tell people that, you know, you have
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to live spiritual truths, universal consciousness, and then they say, well,
where do we get it? Here's that everywhere the most
definite is in nature. How does nature respond to life?
That's universal truths, intuition, your soul. I was just doing
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some reading and a new book that I found that
a good friend of mine gave me back in nineteen
sixty or nineteen seventy five, and it talked about we
are not responsible for our desires. We think we desire
something and that's coming from us. Desires are coming from
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the soul. The soul gives us our desires. Right, you
don't question why do I desire something? You desire it,
to experience it, to then evaluate your perception perspective of
what you think about it.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, desires are a positive that you should do without
trying to challenge the wise.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
It just is yeah, that just is yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
And so this is a at the end of the year,
at the end of the you know, the winter soultice
comes in the twenty second and so we're moving into
a new paradigm. A new reality, a new truth, a
new understanding about you know, some of the worn out,
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hired theories that we've had. So this is why we
got to release everything that is not spiritually relevant and
proof for us.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Okay, I'm kind of into it. I'm like, let's wrap
this shit up because it's made a mess, you know,
Like I'm open to the new eccentric ideas and everyone
really tapping into their own intuition and trusting themselves versus
what we're fed constantly. Like that sounds actually really nice
to me. And if we're able to speak about it
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with each other and like hold space for other opinions, God,
that would be whoof Chef's kiss to that?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Fabulous?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yes, that sounds amazing. Well, Marv, I'm gonna put all
of the time. Yeah, I'm gonna put all of Marv's
contact info. A great Christmas gift if you guys are
looking for, you know, a fun, different, interesting Christmas gift
is to give a session with Marv to anyone in
your life. I've done that multiple times. It's always well
received and it's just a fun, you know, interesting thing.
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So I will put his contact info in the description
of this podcast. A link to where you can find
his book, and Marv will be back with us next year.
I guess we won't see you anymore in twenty twenty five.
How how interesting for us?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Well, I'll be a year older, and I hope i'm
a year wise.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Oh that's right, Well, happy early birthday. I totally forgot
about that as well. Yes, well, hopefully we're all a
year wiser after this one. All right, Well, thank you
guys so much for listening with us and being here.
Hopefully you're twenty your December of twenty twenty five wrap up.
You can be guided a little bit with what tools
(32:11):
Marv just gave us. And Marv, thank you so much
for everything you've given us this year and for this
breakdown for December.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, thank you for the opportunity, Miss Kelly. I appreciate it,
and I hope everyone has a wonderful, beautiful holiday. Make
it happen. We're in jearge.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, oh, that's a good way to put it. We
are in charge of our own lives, all right. You
guys have a great full moon and Gemini and godspeed
with all of the December astrology, and we'll be back
with you guys in January.
I feel like, so we always do this where we
talk before the podcast and then I'm like, wait, wait, wait,
wait wait, we got to like press record and bring
the listeners in because we were doing our own little
session before. But we have so much going on in December,
and it's been I feel like twenty twenty five has
just been this year where every time I get on
the podcast with you, Marv, I'm going, oh God, like
(00:32):
what's coming next? Because it's just been one of those
years where there's a lot of waves and we were
just talking about moving forward, like we are really genuinely
moving into this new paradigm where things are going to change,
and we've been saying that for a while, but there's
just new structures, Like we have been in the destroying
part of it, and now things maybe are going to
(00:52):
move into the rebuilding or unraveling some more. I don't know.
That's why we're here to talk to you. So can
you tell us what's coming up in December? To wrap
it here?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Yeah, you know, I think that we've all been swept
along a little bit by the change and the president
and the new reality that's being brought in and all
those changes, and it's very hard to personalize these changes
and swallow a lot of these changes. And I think
(01:26):
that as we were talking about the twenty nine degrees
of a twenty nine degree Scorpio Nuba, that we're actually
still operating off of we talked about last month, the
courage to stand up for what you believe in, and
I think that that's going to get more and more powerful,
(01:48):
stronger within each one of us individually, so that we
now are moving more individually as self realized people than
moving forward in its elective drama that we've been in.
And that's what Scorpio is about, is discovering some of
(02:10):
those things that we've didn't been trying to suppress or
not be involved with, not talk about, or now get
in that polarity between political fractions and so forth, to
where now we're going to come more into the strength
(02:31):
of who we truly are within ourselves. And we'll be
communicating that over the next month as we move into
the Pisces full mood and then the Sagittarious new mood
on the what the nineteenth and Sagittarius hosts nothing back
(02:51):
what you are going to get exactly what they think.
So we're going to enter into discussion and reflections of
what's going on for us and what's happening with other people,
because we're going to get into direct discussions. We're going
to get into just like we've been talking about. I
(03:13):
want you to understand what I'm saying, Yeah, because I
even want you to be with me or against me,
but I want to know where we are in this
polarity and how I'm processing that. So that's what's going
to be important, especially in this Gemini full moon coming
up in just a handful of days.
Speaker 1 (03:35):
Yeah, it's happening this week, right, Yeah, the fourth of
the fourth, And.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
So we've got to learn to release the fear and
control of being swept along by the lack will cause
of dynamics, humanity's dynamics we're all going through right now,
whether it's the countries, whether it's this country and the
politic system. I mean, we've just been even not wanting
(04:04):
to be swept along. We've been swept.
Speaker 1 (04:06):
Along totally now and now with.
Speaker 2 (04:09):
The Saturn neptune that's come in, we've got to realize
that we can't see everything. We don't know the truth,
so there's no sense in trying to process and straighten
it out from our perspective individually, because you can't you
(04:29):
don't know what's going on.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
That's interesting that that's what's happening. I mean, you know,
as they always say, A so above or what is
it as above so below? And all of the ways
that astrology is always playing into our day to day
lives is so true and we just don't even realize it.
Sometimes I tell you like I'm experiencing something and then
I talk to you and I'm like, oh, well, this
lines up perfectly, And this is one of those situations
(04:53):
because I think so many of us have been so
bombarded and overwhelmed with all the information, all the five being,
all of the like pick aside, my side is right
yourself that you're just tired, right, Like I just feel
that where I'm like, I don't want to fight. I
don't want to even know half of the stuff you're
saying because tomorrow you're gonna be saying something totally different
(05:15):
because we're getting more information. And it just feels like
that constantly now, like you can't fully buy into anything
because the information is unfolding slowly. So it's just sort
of a sit back, take it in as you can
sensation is what I feel, and then if I can't,
I just worry about myself, Like I just don't have
it in me all the time right now.
Speaker 2 (05:36):
Yeah, And I mean, you know, that's kind of what
Scorpio is saying this month as we're still operating off
the new moon. The Scorpio Scorpio is about peeling the
layers of onion. Yeah, get to the core. And we'll
still be doing that even at the full moon, but
the full moon is now going to illuminate that process.
(05:56):
So we are certainly going to bump up against some people,
people and our authenticity that we had no clue that
was going to affect people that way or impact people
that a way. Because the Gemini new moon is all
about communication.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
Okay, let's talk about that a little bit. Tell us
a little bit about this.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Wow, the impact of the full moon is really I mean,
you know, for months I've been talking about intuition and
feelings and your psychic experiences. Yeah, and of course, look
at what the full moon degree is saying. Acting on
intuition and psychic clashes. We're all wanting to know what
(06:42):
is our bottom line? What is the bottom line, and
is this information that I'm receiving reliable. Can I believe
in this? Can I buy in this? It's like, for example,
it's like reading the news now all the time, there's
an article about social security changing, social Security, stan Security.
(07:06):
I've heard it so much and then I looked into
it to see what it is, and it's just one
little fragment that's changing. And I'm saying, oh, that don't
partake to me. But yet the news media keeps bringing
it up, and it's just.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
Well, because they're doing clickbait, Marv, that's what we call that,
and it's just they gotcha, they no. And the thing,
the main thing I think is the new clickbait, the
way that it's moved the last couple of years. They've
realized how much fear is the thing that gets the
(07:42):
most clicks, right, And so that is the thing being
advertised so often. And we're being marketed with headlines like
I mean, I literally had headlines take me out in
a certain phase of my life because they were talking
about me in a way that wasn't true. And then
if you read the article, it say that. But nobody
reads the articles. They just click on the fucking headline,
(08:04):
and that's infuriating you know, and it's for for what
you're saying. It's they're tapping into the fear. That's what
we've learned to do. So we really do have to
use you have to use your critical thinking with everything
coming at you these days.
Speaker 2 (08:18):
Well, and look at that last line I have there
in the new moment scorpio, which we're still operating on. Okay,
from fear and control. Oh there old trauma, Pats. Well,
the trauma for me as a Social Security recipient would
be all.
Speaker 3 (08:36):
They're schooling with my solid security, all they're going to
take it away, all they can't afford it.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I mean, that's nothing but a bunch of fear and
a bunch of craps.
Speaker 1 (08:45):
Of course you're trying to mess with your security.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
So the clickbait is is Okay, let me look at
this article and see what they're saying. Because stuff is
changing so.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Fast, you don't know exactly.
Speaker 2 (08:58):
So I get to the points dungeon, Oh, that's crap,
there's nothing changing. I mean, you know, I.
Speaker 3 (09:05):
Read an article this morn and said, well, in two
thousand and thirty three, I said, are you kidding me?
Eight years from now, you're you're making headlines for a change.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Eight years from now, right, go to be kidding me.
So I look at that and say, okay, will you
stop being triggered by this stupid headline. But you know
they're stupid, you know they're fault, they're lives.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
But you saying that is you saying I'm not going
to be controlled too at the same time, right, because
that's what it's doing, right, We let ourselves be controlled
by fear. That's what's going to happen.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
And you know, the thing about this full moon in
Jemini is Jemedi is usually an airy, playful kind of expression.
This Gemini moon is not going to be airy very really.
(10:08):
That is going to be much more of battling up
against evil. And when I read that, I said, I
can't say evil or I put in immorality. Okay, immorality
is the way I would like to say it, because
I don't like to just project evil. But there are
(10:30):
a lot of things going on that's em and I
think that we all have to call it out, we
all have to take a stand up against it. We
also have to understand this can be a very seductive power.
It's just like I'm sucked in by the clickmate headlines
it's very seductive.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Which part power? Which part is very seductive though?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
Immoralities and headlines and got it and the challenges to
the what's going on in the world. What do you
think that Putin is saying every time he says, oh,
we're a nuclear power, there ain't no chances and the
hell there's ever going to be a nuclear bomb drop?
But I've heard a nuclear bomb over the last year
(11:21):
about one hundred times. Why because it's going to bring
up fear and it's a way to control and manipulate.
And for me, I mean, I just know that there's
want to be no nuclear sett off. And so the
clipbait is seductive for sure. It pulls its in.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
On both sides because the reason the word immorality is
tripping me up a little bit. If I'm being honest,
I'm like, this is one of those words that everyone
would have their interpretation of what that is. So how
do we even see it the same or like, I
know what you're saying because I know you and I
know what that means to you. But like to some
(12:03):
Joe Schmoe walking down the street, he could look at
immorality as if you are gay or you're whatever, and like,
I don't believe that, but do you know what I'm
saying or getting say.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
So, then let me try to clarify that. Okay, evil
is when a person is doing it for self and grandisem.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Like dark motivation. Yeah, for self selfish purpose like self
centered el Okay.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
When we are accepting of humanity, that's morality. That's actually
our job is to help advance the collective. Nope, advance people, Nope,
advance life as a humanity. And I've realized also somebody
(12:53):
I'm you know, I'm in the gym. Somebody said something about, oh,
you're a you're a socialist, and wait a minute.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
You go way deeper than any gym conversations.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
I'm at Brad, I realized, from now on, I'm not
a socialist. I'm a humanitarian. I care about all of humanity.
Am I having trouble with some of the things that's
going on in our society and our culture? Yes, yeah,
(13:31):
can you not? But in the bottom line is as
I'm a humanitarian, and when you read astology, it ain't
just for this time, for the whole world. We're all
growing as a collective, as a species, as we awaken
as self realization and move towards that. We're all moving
(13:51):
towards self realization. We're all moving towards a greater society
as a whole. They collected as humanity. So I'm no
longer a socialist. I'm a humanitarian. That's the way I
want the label.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Can there be a humanitarian party in politics? We need
to label that Teman.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
Then all of a sudden, we'd ruined it.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
That's true. Somehow humans would find a way.
Speaker 2 (14:27):
Yeah, and so I think that that's what we're going
to do, is start facing opposition. Okay, because we're community,
it's GIVENI it's communicating, So our passion is going to
come out when we communicate.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
Mm.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
And I think that that's what this particular full moon
is going to be about. So when you put the
Scorpio new moon and the Gemini full moon together, yeah,
I must stand up for who I am. I'm not
going to just sit here and listen to idle conversation
and tell me stuff that I don't believe in. I'm
(15:08):
not going to be called a socialist when you don't
even probably know what a socialist is. But I'm not
going to I'm not going to even stand for it.
I mean you know.
Speaker 1 (15:19):
So I feel like I'm having this visual right now
because like the combination of those two I just keep
seeing like Scorpio to me, is always going into the depths, right,
like the things like we're going to uncover all the
deep things. So what you're saying, We're going to uncover
the deep things we actually believe, and then this Gemini
is bringing it up to the surface to where we're like,
and I'm going to tell you what I think and
(15:40):
I'm not going to hide this part of me anymore.
And what I truly believe is that what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Yeah, okay, I mean think about it. I mean Gemini
uses words, messages, conversations, and a conscious evaluation to everything. Well,
guess what this is going to force conversations that has
been avoided. So we're going to catch ourselves into conversations
(16:10):
that may take some people about. Maybe we'll be thinking about, Yeah,
I didn't know you believe that. I didn't know you
think like that. Yeah, it's just like our pre pre
podcast conversation. I mean, we're still straightening out shipping.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
We are really really very hard at that one. I'm
proud of our effort though.
Speaker 2 (16:36):
Yes, I mean you know, I think that it's very
conducive to help understanding two sides. And I've come your way,
you come by way, sure, yeah, And it ain't going
to happen unless you have authentic communication, ineed And I
think that this is why it's so good. So yeah,
(16:57):
we're going to have some avoidable conversation that we tried
to avoid or tried not to say and you know,
say directly because maybe we thought it would hurt somebody.
Maybe we caught because we thought that it wouldn't be heard,
or maybe because we wanted to avoid an argument. And
(17:17):
I think that with Gemini and with Scorpio, you're not
going to be able to avoid it because you just
want to feel like you're not being you, you're not
expressing yourself, you see. And I think that that's very
very important. So we're going to be just like that
Scorpio works beneath the surface. We're going to be expressing
(17:41):
and exposing some of these issues beneath our surface, okay,
and listening and listening to conversations that are beneath other
people's surface. And I think that this is this is
what this Gemini who is going to do, is going
(18:01):
to really bring forward the challenge of maybe disagreements that
it brings up, but in those disagreements, you come to
a win win conversation. And I think that that's what
we're working on. We're working on coming to win win
conversations when you understand me and I understand you. It
(18:27):
doesn't mean we have to use the exact burbiage, doesn't
mean we have to say the exact thing.
Speaker 1 (18:34):
Believe the exact same things.
Speaker 2 (18:36):
Right, But I can feel I can feel your honesty,
I can feel your understanding. I can feel the trust
that we can share and the caring. And I think
that that's what this Gemini for a moon is kind
of going to bring about.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I mean, how how long have we needed that in
this world? Very interesting?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
Yeah, well it's twenty nine degrees. That's what twenty nine
degrees does.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
Yeah, And of.
Speaker 2 (19:09):
Course, so what is what is going to ask us
is what version of myself is real? And what is
a leftover story I've been telling myself. So we've got
to get honest and then I'll give you an insight.
Right now, you might as well get honest because we're
going to have a new moon and Sagittarius and that's
(19:33):
hooked mouth disease. You're gonna say shit.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
You're going to say shit that's truthful to you, and
it's going to fly right out of your mouth and
you're going to go, oh, did I just say that?
Speaker 1 (19:46):
That's so Sagittarius, And that's.
Speaker 2 (19:50):
What sagittary is is all about. So you might as
well get real now in this full moon over the
next two weeks, and look, this is the truth. This
is a very spiritually aligning mood. Your inner truth must
watch your outer expression. So if you're not being completely honest,
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that's going to affect you. That's going to affect you.
That you're going to recognize you're not being totally honest,
because if Scorpio is about anything, it's about them feeling
when you're not totally oppous. They can psychically connect that
you're not being totally honest, and that's what drives them
(20:40):
that shit or crazy is when somebody is saying something
and they can feel that they're not being.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Totally honest, right, but they're not getting.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
And so we're going to recognize when we're not being
completely honest and we have to communicate.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
I'm not mad at any of that. I feel like
it's probably coming after a lot of deep dives that
we've hopefully done on ourselves too. With all these retrogrades,
it was like everything was internal right, and it was
obviously being brought to the surface for us to heal
and see and change anything that needed to be changed
structure wise. But like now we have this where it's like, okay,
(21:25):
so what did you learn during all that time?
Speaker 2 (21:27):
And I'll give you a caution all stuff okay, acting
on your intuition and psychic classes juniter juniors retigran, which
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means that isn't going to be easily the default way
of operating. We have to try to stay level with
our emotionality and listening and process that feeling when we're listening,
is that is the truth? You say, when you get
a good strong psychic impression or a good strong intuitive fit,
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that's not the process that's coming direct from the soul.
Why are you going to process that's coming direct from
the soul? You're not. And so it's very important that
we stay aware and in tune of how we're feeling
and feeling that intuitive voice and listening to those intuitive
(22:33):
voices and feelings are going to work better for people
that don't think themselves, real psychic or real intuitive, they are,
but they are blocking sometimes when they get too much
emotion going in instead of just staying in neutral. So
it's going to be very important to stay in neutral
(22:56):
for these two weeks so that you know, we we
trust ourselves, we trust what we say, and that that's
another good thing to do when you get into that
sad mood because you're going to stay ship. Did you say, oh,
do I really think that?
Speaker 1 (23:15):
So you're saying just trust what comes out of your mouth.
Speaker 2 (23:21):
For the full moon, trust your feelings, okay, because that's
you're intuitive side. And for sagittarious, which we can now
move towards, well we will and soon I get through
the energy patterns. But it's sagittarious. You're going to say
stuff that it's going to reflect who you authentically are. Interesting,
(23:42):
and there's nothing wrong with that. It's being honest. If
there's anything hobbled about your Sagittarius, it's being honest. And
if you can't take honesty, well then we don't have
a relationship.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Right, it's not real anyway. All right, Well, let's move
into these energy patterns because I know we're running around
the energy.
Speaker 2 (24:04):
We're struggling with is Mars and Saturn are going to
square each other, so we're going to feel a little
controlled and restricted. Okay, so don't hold on. If you've
got anger out the twenty release the anger as quickly
as possible. Okay, work hard to release blaming of others.
(24:27):
You're blaming others for something that's going on inside of you.
So if you're blaming, it's yours to learn. And then
of course we got Urana supposes mercury, so we're gonna
bump up against a lot of us eccentric thinking people
have got their own ideas and there's nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1 (24:48):
Bring it on. We need some new ideas up in
this bitch. Let's go.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
So as we get into Sagittarius at twenty.
Speaker 1 (24:58):
Nine degree, yeah, I love.
Speaker 2 (25:01):
The part where it says, this is a new chapter
of my spiritual mission begins now. Sagittarius represents the super
conscious mind, right, this is the most spiritual mental sign
in the zodiac, So your super conscious mind comes through
(25:23):
and Sagittarius. And so we're building a new spiritual reality
with a Sagittarius new moon coming up in December nineteenth,
So we're connecting to some old soul contracts, and so
the teachers, mentors, our tribes are spiritual communities, global and consciousness.
(25:48):
They're all going to be coming together, and so we
need to release old spiritual doctor. There is no dog,
There is no set belief. I mean, yeah, there is something.
There's no factuality in a belief. So we've got to understand.
(26:09):
We need to try to let gold beliefs and open
up to the eccentricity of mental and mind. Let it be,
let it come through. Sagittarius is uncompromising integrity of thought
and action. You know, remember that's saying it used to
(26:30):
be going around years ago. What you see is what
you get. Yes, that's what this new moon in side
is going very sad.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
That's what I love about a side though. It's like
it is. What you see is definitely what you get,
which is a beautiful quality in a lot of ways.
It can be a.
Speaker 2 (26:49):
Flip Wilson, wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (26:51):
I don't know, was it?
Speaker 2 (26:53):
What you see is what you get in the booth,
in the bath, in the court dark.
Speaker 1 (27:03):
Well, I mean, if it is, it is, but I
like that it is. Sagittarius is always interesting because the
foot and mouth disease is real sage. But I really
do appreciate the part of a sage that it just
is what it is. I mean, there's no guessing with
a sage. It's it's right there, it's and that's beautiful.
Speaker 2 (27:20):
Right. Yeah, So we are going to have to examine
some of our own soul contracts. What have we contracted
to in our participation? Okay, all contracts are where do
we find our self participating in life? And how are
we participating and how is it bumping up against a
(27:42):
belief a reality that we build a are thinking our
factual beliefs. So I think that it's very important. And
of course we've got to be reminded that Saturn, nothing
is still going on, So we're going to have difficulty
trusting and seeing a reality that is outside of ourselves.
(28:07):
So this is why the intuitive side and psychic side
of who we are has got to be more dominant
than trusting your eyesight, than trusting your ears, knowing, trust
your gut, your right and so Saturn also Saturn Neptune
(28:29):
is going to also going to square the new Moon's
that's a struggle. So our beliefs must evolve all the
old stories we told ourselves are not going to match
our spiritual reality. And of course, you know a lot
of times I tell people that, you know, you have
(28:49):
to live spiritual truths, universal consciousness, and then they say, well,
where do we get it? Here's that everywhere the most
definite is in nature. How does nature respond to life?
That's universal truths, intuition, your soul. I was just doing
(29:12):
some reading and a new book that I found that
a good friend of mine gave me back in nineteen
sixty or nineteen seventy five, and it talked about we
are not responsible for our desires. We think we desire
something and that's coming from us. Desires are coming from
(29:34):
the soul. The soul gives us our desires. Right, you
don't question why do I desire something? You desire it,
to experience it, to then evaluate your perception perspective of
what you think about it.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I love that.
Speaker 2 (29:55):
Yeah, desires are a positive that you should do without
trying to challenge the wise.
Speaker 1 (30:04):
It just is yeah, that just is yeah.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
And so this is a at the end of the year,
at the end of the you know, the winter soultice
comes in the twenty second and so we're moving into
a new paradigm. A new reality, a new truth, a
new understanding about you know, some of the worn out,
(30:31):
hired theories that we've had. So this is why we
got to release everything that is not spiritually relevant and
proof for us.
Speaker 1 (30:40):
Okay, I'm kind of into it. I'm like, let's wrap
this shit up because it's made a mess, you know,
Like I'm open to the new eccentric ideas and everyone
really tapping into their own intuition and trusting themselves versus
what we're fed constantly. Like that sounds actually really nice
to me. And if we're able to speak about it
(31:02):
with each other and like hold space for other opinions, God,
that would be whoof Chef's kiss to that?
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Fabulous?
Speaker 1 (31:10):
Yes, that sounds amazing. Well, Marv, I'm gonna put all
of the time. Yeah, I'm gonna put all of Marv's
contact info. A great Christmas gift if you guys are
looking for, you know, a fun, different, interesting Christmas gift
is to give a session with Marv to anyone in
your life. I've done that multiple times. It's always well
received and it's just a fun, you know, interesting thing.
(31:32):
So I will put his contact info in the description
of this podcast. A link to where you can find
his book, and Marv will be back with us next year.
I guess we won't see you anymore in twenty twenty five.
How how interesting for us?
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Well, I'll be a year older, and I hope i'm
a year wise.
Speaker 1 (31:50):
Oh that's right, Well, happy early birthday. I totally forgot
about that as well. Yes, well, hopefully we're all a
year wiser after this one. All right, Well, thank you
guys so much for listening with us and being here.
Hopefully you're twenty your December of twenty twenty five wrap up.
You can be guided a little bit with what tools
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Marv just gave us. And Marv, thank you so much
for everything you've given us this year and for this
breakdown for December.
Speaker 2 (32:19):
Well, thank you for the opportunity, Miss Kelly. I appreciate it,
and I hope everyone has a wonderful, beautiful holiday. Make
it happen. We're in jearge.
Speaker 1 (32:29):
Yeah, oh, that's a good way to put it. We
are in charge of our own lives, all right. You
guys have a great full moon and Gemini and godspeed
with all of the December astrology, and we'll be back
with you guys in January.
Host
Kelly Henderson
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