September 5, 2025 • 53 mins
This week Chip and Kelly take the big Virgo–Pisces energy and make it personal. From Virgo’s perfectionism and endless worry spirals to Pisces illusions and chasing dreams, they ask: are we overthinking life, or just not seeing it clearly? They swap stories of the little things they obsess about, times they projected fantasies onto people, and moments when reality finally hit. Lighthearted, relatable, and a little too honest—this episode is proof we’re all just trying to figure it out one worry (or dream) at a time.
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
How are you doing to I'm good. It's weird. See,
I mean, for those of you who are watching on YouTube,
it's got like these light beams come down. My desk
is situated right under a light, so I don't know
how to make that go away. Oh but it's distracting
to me. But no, I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You seem like you have a little pep in your
step today.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Honestly, I went to the gym this morning. I left
my house and went to the gym. So maybe that's why.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Oh, you know, this is a very interesting transition right
into the topic. We don't even need to speak any further.
But obviously I did my podcast with Marv on Wednesday,
and there's a lot of astrology for September. There's a
lot of themes. So it's really interesting because I've been
going to Marv and I'm like, how do we make
this more digestible for people? Because I know it's a
(00:57):
you know it must talking with you, I'm like, this
is a little over some people's heads, and he's like,
that's not what I do. Apologized, He straight up is like,
that's not what I do. It's not my job to
make it digestible, but that's your skill set. So you know,
I'm trying to kind of explain some of the things
that Marv is saying in more tangible, day to day
(01:21):
processes for people. And I think this podcast that you
and I do is really helpful in that way too,
because a lot of people are on the same level
with the astrology that you are. Like, it's obviously out there,
it's talked about all the time now, and I think
that's only going to grow in the coming years. But
it's not necessarily that it matters if you know what
planet is moving into what house, or you know theme
(01:46):
I mean, or like what eclipses is coming up. What
really matters is understanding kind of the energy of the
time so that you can work with it in your life.
Like it's it's not ever this like doomsday thing of
oh God, here's this coming or whatever. It's very much
like this is happening. So you'll probably notice some things
(02:06):
in your life. You can either let them take you
out or like you know, massively like up end some
things you have going on, or you can lean in
and work with them and help yourself through the processes
of life and just ever else.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's a complicated time, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
For sure. Like Saturn has been in Piscis, and that
won't mean anything to you, but Saturn is, like they
call him Daddy Saturn. He's very much the teacher planet.
So it's like it comes in and it kind of
makes you assess your processes and and just kind of
all these different assess the way you're living your life,
I would say, and you're programming and all that stuff. Well,
(02:48):
I have a Pisce's moon, so do you, actually, And
for the last two years Saturn has been in Pisces,
and so for us, I've met with many astrologers about this,
but it feels very much like this energy of one
day you're like, I'm gonna get up. I'm gung ho,
I can get started with all this stuff. I'm so creative,
and then you could literally wake up the next day
(03:08):
and feel like you got hit by a bus and
can't get out of bed. And it's just almost like
this like walking through quicksand feelings. So it's very much
like two steps forward, two steps back energy. And I
was beating myself up for that, you know, like why
can't you work like you used to? And just feeling
like something was wrong with me until an estrollerger told
me that, and she was she was like, you're not
(03:29):
going to feel the relief until Saturn moves out of Pisces,
and so okay, well, so interestingly enough, I don't know
how you felt the last couple is it weeks or months?
But Saturn did move into Aries for a bit, and
I was knocking shit out like that was when I
got the Developed Edge podcast page finally started, Like we got
(03:50):
new branding stuff up finally. I've been wanting to do
that for a minute, you know, but like I just
didn't have the energy. Everything came back. My normal self
felt like it was back. That's because Aris is a driver.
It's a doer. It's like as wants to move. It's
the warrior of the zodiac, you know, like it wants
to get shit done. It processes emotions even by getting
(04:12):
stuff done. So no wonder I felt like that. Well,
then Saturn retrograded back into Pisces, and let me fucking
tell y'all, I've just been back. It's just like it's
very much like I feel like I'm sloshing through quicksand
to get anything done, Like things seem like they're taking
so much more time, and it didn't happen immediately, but
I noticed it this week again and I was like, oh,
(04:34):
it's back.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Fuck, how long will that be?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I need to look up. It's a couple months, I think,
and it really it retrogrades back to make sure. It's
like one final run through of did you set yourself up,
did you put the right structures in place? Did you
get the right foundation in place to help things work
seamlessly moving forward? And then once it moves into aries,
it's going to be fast motion again and will be
(04:57):
like really gung ho to work. But yeah, for the
next couple I wish I can't tell you guys the
exact timing. Sorry, and that was I should have looked
this up before. I want on this tangent. But when
Saturn moves back into aries, we'll feel the shift, I'm sure,
and be back to like gung ho. And so for now,
it's just more about evaluating. So if you feel like
(05:18):
that can't get out of bed energy, don't beat yourself up.
Just be like, Okay, I'm gonna be gentle with myself today.
What can I evaluate with my systems, my programs, Like
what I'm putting into place, with work, what I'm taking on,
how do I make sure I don't hit burnout? Like
is this a good foundation that I'm setting up for myself?
Is there anything I missed? It also matters what house
you have pieces in. Mine's in the eleventh house. So
(05:40):
it's been themes of friends of social media like things
like that. So those are all up for evaluation for me.
So I'll have to look at you.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
How many houses are there? Twelve twelve houses. It's funny
because now hearing that, like it makes a lot of sense.
Like I was, it was like I could not get
enough sleep over the last couple of months, and because
of that, I mean, and it's like there's a million
things that I could point to reasons why, but I
broke all of my systems that I'd been really good
(06:09):
about putting in place and like being healthy, and then
it's like one day turns into a week, and it
turns into a month, and the next thing you know,
you've gained fifteen pounds and then you're mad at yourself
and that's a reason to not like or the mountain
seems too climb hard to climb, and blah blah blah.
But it was funny because my buddy John, he and
I were talking Easter and he's like, let's go to
the He's like, I feel like I've been kind of lazy,
(06:31):
and I was like, I have been really lazy in
terms of taking care of myself. And so I was like, well,
let's go to the gym, because I've got a gym
in my house now and I don't even think heat.
So I was like, let's make a plan to go
to the gym in the morning. So I have to
pull myself out of bed. And I you know, I
have a virtual it's it's a real person, but he's
a virtual trainer and he lives in Las Vegas. And
(06:53):
I've just kind of I mean a I've been paying
way too much money for it and not using his
services and ignoring all of his messages and just because
of shame really and and so I went to the
gym this morning and I have to use It's all
through an app. And I logged onto the app and
he had messaged me yesterday being like, hey, man, haven't
(07:15):
heard from you. This is the last time you used
the app, and like drop the date in there, and
was like, let me know if you want to hop
on the phone so we can get you know, get
you back moving and blah blah blah. And so I
responded to him from the gym this morning at seven am,
being like, your timing is impeccable, Like this is wild,
and you know, I was like, I do what I
(07:36):
always do. I missed a couple of days, I let
life life, I got lazy, and then I spiraled. So
it's it's just interesting to think that, you know, we
are all so quick to blame ourselves. Yes, and there
are other forces at play, and they're invisible.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And unless you know your chart, unless you're just what
I'm always saying to people, I'm like, go do a reading.
It's like, I know, it can sound really confusing, and
that's why sometimes you do need someone to guide you
through it, like an a certified astrologer that knows what
they're looking at and how to say it to you
in a way that's digestible. But it's interesting what you
(08:13):
just said, because during Saturn moving into aries, it sounds
like you got off your programming, like you got the
energy of Ares and we're just whatever kind of didn't
have your foundations in place. So now you're in the
retrograde of Pisces again with Saturn being and Pisces again,
and it's going to ask you to evaluate, and that's
what you're doing, Like, how do I do this in
(08:35):
a way that's more long term or that I'm going
to stick with that's not maybe over exerting myself so
hardcore that when life gets hard, I quit, you know,
like figuring those systems out, which I'm sure that guy
can help you with. I just looked yours is in
the fifth House, which is really interesting because that's the
house of creativity of gifts and talents children, which children
(08:59):
in fertill That doesn't really apply romance and love affairs, pease,
that's what your pieceson is in. But because your moon
is there, we're feeling this so much more because that's
your emotional core.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Right. So anyway, I mean a lot of that tracks.
And it's funny because I think that, you know, most people,
most people's interaction with astrology is probably pretty similar. It's
like what they read in their daily paper or they
get their daily email or whatever or now there's.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So many astrology like people online, right.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, but I think most people that is the majority
of the way that people see it. Like the paper
comes and they're like, let me read my horoscope for
the day, totally, and I think a lot of people
read that with the future in mind versus the present
and mindesting. I know, at least that's how I used
(09:49):
to read them, because you everyone wanted the horoscope to
give them good news, and that's not what it is.
It's actually just giving you news. It's just education. And
I think those I think the ones that are in
papers and stuff, and apologies to any people who write those,
but like, I think that's part of the goal, is
to like you're selling a little bit of hope there.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Sure, And it's just like I remember before I actually
knew about astrology, and this is this We'll tell you
how long ago this is because I would get magazines
for my airplane rides. Uh huh, So that was, you know, forever.
That feels like a different lifetime now. But I used
to love getting Cosmopolitan because in the back they had
an astrology breakdown and I actually have had, which is
(10:33):
such a full circle moment. The astro twins who did that,
they still do it, I think in Cosmo. I believe
it's Cosmo and Marie Claire, but they've they've been on
the podcast twice. Now I'm friends with them, so it's like,
what a life moment. I love having this podcast for
that reason because I just get to meet. Those are
the kind of people I geek out about.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
You are you? Are you a fan of Susan Miller? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I have a book of hers, but.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I don't want to know her daughter Diana Oh.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Wild, Okay. Debra Silverman's probably like the biggest one I
geek out about because she was on the road of
Sting forever doing his astrology, and I'm like, she is
like the mecca. But what you just described. Marvin and
I actually talked about before we started recording, because I
was asking him, I'm like, how do we talk? Yeah,
how do we make this more digestible? And that's when
(11:18):
he was saying, well, I don't you do whatever, which
he's right about, and it actually was very helpful to
me because he used my chart to tell me that,
like where I have all of my North node and
sun sign, and like, so much of my personality is
in the third house, which is communication, so that is
like what I'm supposed to be here doing. So anyway,
(11:40):
we said all that and then he was like, yeah,
a lot of what I think you're feeling pressure from
from these apps or you know, the things that people
find on social media is called predictive astrology. He's like,
I do evolutionary astrology, which makes sense to me because
it's like the kind of astrology that Marv's doing is
to tell you how, like what is your soul here
(12:01):
to do? You know, it's the stuff we talk about
on this podcast. What is your soul here to do?
What is the what lessons are you trying to learn
and work through in this lifetime for your own evolution,
your own growth, your own soul's mission and purpose versus, Hey,
next month, you're going to have a great month without
you being at all aware of why that's happening or
(12:23):
the like the movement of it. What you can contribute,
what your soul wants from that, Like, that's just pop astrology,
and it's it's the predictive astrology is very much for
the fun of it. I think, like you're saying, that's fine,
I have no judgment. I'm just in a place of
wanting to actually use this as a tool in my
life way more than just like reading a fucking fortune cookie.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well yeah, also too, It's like when you're talking about
a magazine or newspaper, space is money, and so they
they're you know, you're getting a paragraph for each and
that's all they can really say. So it's there's only
so much detail in that pop astrology stuff that you
sure really give well.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And people are always selling shiit right, that's yeah, the
name of the game and the society.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
But it's interesting that we're talking about all of this
because one of the things that Marvin I discussed was
the Vergo new Moon, and you and I were kind
of talking through that Virgo energy before because it can
often be associated with perfectionism, which I think there's goods
and bads to perfectionism, and we'll get into that in
just a second, but a lot of the Virgo new
Moon is also asking you to kind of review your
(13:30):
daily structures and your routines, like are they helpful, are
they comfortable for you? Are they something that's sustainable, or
are you in a prison of them so that when
life gets busy or hard or whatever, you're going to quit. Yeah,
so we were going to kind of talk about that.
You actually mentioned something from the Mel Robins podcast. It's
not actually something Mel said, but.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
No, is she in this week? Actually it's from Sunday.
She interviewed Emma Greed. I think it's how you say.
Her last name is g r Eed, and she's She
is the CEO and co founder of Skims with Kim
Kardashian and Good American with Chloe Kardashian, I think. And
then also she works with Chris Kardashian on a company
(14:12):
called Safely, which, funny enough, I have it under my
sink and I had no idea it was a Kardashian product.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
What is Safely.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's they're like non toxic cleaning supplies for your house.
And I have like the all purpose cleaner that I
have like that. I just love how it smells. I
just bought it randomly one day because the store didn't
have what I was looking for.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
So I Kardashians nail their products. Sorry not sorry, they
do well.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
So she was talking about she was I think Mel
asked her, you know, what's some advice that you can
give people, Like, what's a really important piece of advice,
and she said, whatever you're doing, do it well. She's like,
you don't wake up one day and have the job
of your dreams. You have to have a lot of
shit jobs before you get there. And she's like, you know,
(15:02):
if it's you know, waking up in the morning and
wanting to give yourself a good day, like put on
your nicest pajamas, because you can, like if you're going
to make a breakfast, like make it beautiful, like do
it right. If you're working at a sandwich shop, make
the best hand sandwich in town, because the energy that
you're putting into those efforts, people will see, you know,
(15:25):
they will pick up on that energy and want to
work with you for other reasons because they see that
how much you care. You know, it's really truly about
caring and doing effort and putting in the effort. And
it's not about being perfect either. It's about just doing
your best and caring. And it's interesting because it is
(15:45):
like it's an act of like self care to act
that way, because ultimately you're going to be a whole
lot happier if you make yourself a really good breakfast,
or you feel like you dressed your best, or you
took care of yourself, or you feel like you're treating
your customers great by giving them the best sandwich that
they can find in town, but it's also in service
(16:05):
to whoever else you're doing it for. You know, if
it's a work project and you want just to deliver
on it and do a great job, that's good for
whoever the client is. So it's not a self fulfilling problem.
It's a mutually beneficial sort of way of living. And
then you also don't have to worry about the job
that you're doing if you're giving everything great care. Also,
(16:26):
you know, you have to give yourself she mentioned, like
you have to give yourself the space to fail, because
we are all inevitably going to fail at things. And
that doesn't mean, like don't internalize that, because it's not
just about you. It's about the situation. And that just
wasn't the right situation for you, and you move on
and you just continue doing your best at everything that
(16:47):
you can continue to do. That was really great. My
niece right now is starting our senior year of high school,
and ever since she was little, she's wanted to be
a nurse. My niece right now is starting her senior
(17:10):
year of high school, and ever since she was little,
she's wanted to be a nurse. And she got into
this special nursing program that the high school offers that
fast tracks you in a nursing school. And she decided
to quit it before the school year started because she's
not sure that she wants to be a nurse anymore,
and so she's really conflicted, and obviously her parents are
(17:31):
not happy about it because it was a path. But
I said to her, I was like, look, I might
not be the best person to give you advice on
this because I knew what I wanted to do, and
I like stumbled across the path. And so when you
look at my life, it looks like I planned it,
but I didn't. Like there were happy accidents that got
me to where I was going. But what I can
(17:52):
tell you is, if you go to school for something
that you don't want to do, you've wasted a lot
of money and time. So go to schoolgure out what
you want to do. It might take you longer than normal,
but figure out, like do the little things, to figure
out what it is that you actually love and then
specialize in that, like especially in the medical field, Like
(18:13):
that is a really long road to go down. Yeah,
or something that you don't want to do. And I
asked my sister yesterday, I said, well, what is it
about it? And she goes, she hates needles and she
can't fathom the idea of having to stick needles in people.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
That's like half of a nurse's job.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's half of a nursing job. So but what's interesting
about asking that question is once she admitted that that
was the thing, then other nurse friends were like, you
could go into radiology, you could do this, you could
do this, there's no needles in it, and you make
bank doing these things. So now she's able to reconsider,
you know, if that is a path for her or not.
(18:48):
So it's funny because I think we beat ourselves up
over that sort of perfect the need for perfectionism and
knowing what we're going to do and and everything being
the end of the world. Everything's just a step to
the next thing.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, well a couple things. I mean, first of all,
that's kind of what remember Bonnie Hammer talked about that,
she said, how do you know what you want to
do when you don't even know what jobs are available?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So that it.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Sounds like your niece is actually doing that step right
now where she's in maybe the field that she wants
to be in, but it's not specifically the job yet
and so she can find out the different ones that
might work for her more because she hates needles. So yeah,
I don't think of that as even failing. It's just
more of like learning and finding your path. But with
(19:33):
the perfectionism thing. I love what the emma because it
grew with as her list.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I think it's greed.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Greed, Okay, I love what she's saying because when I
was going through some really hard times, I had a
mentor who would say, just focus on get up out
of bed every day and focus on putting on clothes.
And like, for me, that was very therapeutic because I
like fashion a lot, and so it would kind of
get my creativity going or whatever. But one of the
(20:00):
things the reason she had me do that was because
when you're doing things for yourself and you're trying to
do them well, even when you're struggling, it is a
form of building your own self esteem. So, like what
you were saying about do it well, Like even if
you're making a sandwich or whatever your job is to
be a sandwich, make it well. That's building your self esteem, right,
and so it's giving you something to be passionate about.
(20:24):
I mean, you could be making minimum wage, it doesn't matter.
It's like, what what is your purpose in this day?
And if it's to make the best fucking sandwich at subway, great,
Like yeah, exactly, I forgot you were a see much artist. Yeah,
but like make it well and that will build you
up and then always you know, it seems like when
you're in a better place with yourself and your self
(20:46):
love and your self esteem are high, you are opening
yourself up to more opportunities in the world. I also
love though that she touched on if you fail, like
there has to be room for failure, because that's I
think I mentioned to you this tea when we were
first talking about this topic, like I do have to
keep perfectionism in check for myself because I want to
(21:07):
do everything really well. But then I can get wrapped
up into that and like hyper focused almost like obsessive
compulsive in a way of like every detail has to
be this certain way, which one doesn't like leave room
for life, you know. But then in my job, and
I think other people can probably relate to this, like
that's the way I want to do it right, but
(21:29):
I have to factor in all the people I'm working
with you know, like I'm dressing an artist that has
their own personality, their own vision, their own body insecurities.
Then there's management and the label, and they all have
the same things that they're factoring in. So if I
get so set in my ways of what would be perfect,
I'm always going to be disappointed, right, because it's not
(21:52):
leaving room for that. And so then if it doesn't
go exactly the way I would want it to, a
lot of times in the past, I would look at
that as failure instead of learning right, and or like
if they're happy when they leave my fitting or something
like that, like that's still a win even if it
wasn't exactly perfect for me, If that makes sense. Yeah,
I've had Yeah, I've just had to like EBB and
(22:13):
flow through that because I think there's a great, great
benefit to having pride in your work and wanting to
do a good job, like for sure. And on the
flip side, I think you have to leave room for
other nuances of life and jobs and work and whatever.
We're talking about it in work, but this can be
in anything.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It can be in anything, relationships, whatever it's things aren't
always going to I mean, look some of the greatest
artists of all time implode because people just yes them
to death, for sure, And I feel like I'm around
artist I work with artists that are actually open. It's
not always easy to receive constructive criticism, but I feel
(22:55):
like they hear it, you know. And that's the way
to have any sort of long longevity, whether it be
in a relationship and a job, in a creative position, whatever,
is to like listen to criticism. And that doesn't mean
you have to take it. It doesn't mean you have
to agree with it. But if you can listen to
it and absorb it and be curious about it, it
(23:17):
might actually make you better at whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Oh absolutely, Yeah, Yeah, I do think it's a tough
pill to swallow, but like you said, it can be
the most valuable.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I always try to, like, if my ego wants to
bump up when someone's telling me something I could do better,
I'm like, this isn't your highest good listen, you know,
like right, But it's not our human instinct, often, I
don't think so. It does sometimes take me a little
bit of practice, and it's gotten way easier as i've
gotten older. I think when I was younger, I just
would take it if you're insecure at all, you can't
(23:46):
handle it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Like, what's also about the delivery and how you receive
it too, because if someone's just being an asshole, I mean,
look back to the best sandwich example, Like I could
make you what is what I think is the best sandwich,
but you're like, I fucking hate hot peppers, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
And then probably put condiments on it. And I hate condiments, right,
most people love them, though, So how would you if
you might take it personal? If you're like, look at
all this mayonnaise, I'd be like I would give Yeah,
don't tell me I hate maynaise.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
She's like fuck sandwiches, like are.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
There vegetables on this? And is a bread gluten free?
I am not your best audience, but you.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Know what, it's this kind of criticisms that you would
help me learn that not every customer is the same
shape and south.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Right, it's because it's it's also not personal to you
or your skill set.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Right, Oh, you're the weirdo eater. You're the bird, the
bird gluten.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Birds don't No one should eat gluten though, Okay you
get on mush it all the time, but like whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Anyway, eat some rolls, honey.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
When let's talk a little bit about routines, because you
open this conversation with talking about your trainer. And then
when we thought this was funny, y'all, Chip had a
note from an outline that has sent him and it says,
Virgo loves a routine, but uranus square says break free.
And this is He reads it and he goes, I'm
just so confused about this part. Virgo loves a routine,
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but uranus square says break free.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
And I was like this, like why is uranus in
a square? Why square?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And why is it breaking free? And I was like,
first of all, let's call it uranus.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Is that the correct way to say it?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I mean, people go all across the board, But I'm
just like, uranus is so aggressive, Like it's too much
like a uranus.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Person like that that's a good it's a good way
to slip a joke in in fifth grade.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, but slip a joke in that's even I mean,
right there, intended.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
To put this joke in square uranus.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I knew that was going somewhere. There you go, But
that's the part that you don't really have to worry about.
Like you don't have to understand exactly what planet is
moving into what or squaring what or conjunct what to
understand the energy. So when we were talking about that, though,
it was saying stuff about just talking about our daily
rituals like are they are they things that we can
keep in place? And you kind of said like I
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don't know, So what are you evaluating about your daily
rituals right now? Like what are you bumping up against
that you might change in this kind of evaluating time.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Well, you know, in this hiring the trainer and stuff,
I was reevaluating like most of my life, like when
I was eating, what I was eating, when I was
working out, all these things, and it's like, I mean,
I have a checklist for the morning, and it's like
it takes me a good two hours to get everything
done before I should even like pick up my phone
to look at an email, look at social media, whatever.
(26:54):
Some days it's easier than others. But what something that
I've noticed that I struggle with is the days that
I'm not good, It sets me on this like path
of failure where then I get in that feedback loop
of like you're not good enough, like you can't even
do your morning routine, or I'll notice it's like eleven
thirty and I've just I've like sat down and I've
(27:15):
started working right away, and I'm like, I haven't even
brushed my teeth today. And that is something that I
had to like put on my daily routine in the morning.
Not that I don't brush my teeth, but it was
like I wanted to start thinking about my morning as
a checklist, like how to like open the blinds, take
ten deep breasts, drink a cup of water, Like I
put all of that stuff on there, and you know,
(27:37):
eventually it will just become habit and I won't even
think about it because I'm sure like if I sat
back and looked like I had a morning routine, it
just wasn't serving me properly. And now I've got this
idea of the perfect morning routine that I should be accomplishing,
and there are some days that I nail it and
some days that I don't, And so now I need to,
(27:58):
like I need to reevaluate that morning routine and be like, Okay,
what are some of the things that I can move
to mid day so that it doesn't feel so overwhelming
Because there are mornings that where I wake up and
I'm like, I don't want to do any of it,
of course, you know, I don't want to like fuck
my deep breaths.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, that's interesting that you say that, because I've almost
been going through a similar thing. And what I notice
is when I travel, everything gets off killed all because
my routine could be you know, in place, and I
love I love having a morning routine. It's like very
the ritual of that is very soothing to me. So
I love that. But then there's other things that, like
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some things I'm trying to do because I'm trying to
work on my sleep, which is a constant work in
progress for me, but like that I'm supposed to do
these exercises every night and deep breathing, like you said,
and it's like sometimes I get to the end of
the day and I'm like, I don't want to fucking.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Do this, Like I just want to get back in bed, yeaheah.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And then I'll travel and everything gets thrown off and
I'm staying up later and all the things I really
got when I got back to town this week, because
I was in New York all last week and I
was realizing the same thing had happened and I was
doing the thing you're saying where I was beating myself
up and just like, oh, you can never be consistent.
And I was like, Okay, I could sit here and
just shit on myself, or I could just start again,
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start again. Like the other thing is, like what I've
started doing now is I think we're so trained for
instant gratification that I want results fast from everything I'm doing,
Like I just want it to happen overnight. And the
stuff that I'm doing is like a lot of somatic stuff,
and that stuff does not happen overnight. So what I
also said to myself was this isn't gonna happen fast anyway.
(29:38):
So like if there's a day that I just don't
want to do it, or I'm exhausted because I've had
a long day, or my body isn't feeling it, like
I'm just gonna listen to that and I'm gonna honor
that so that then and then say to myself, we'll
try again tomorrow. You know, Like the gentler approach seems
to register with my body so much better than going
into like this regimented thing. Because when I'm super regimented.
(30:03):
I'm like you, like, I can't maintain it long term
necessarily because it's too hardcore, right, Yeah, and sometimes you
need that, Like we've talked about this a lot, Like
sometimes I'll do this a hard reset, Like I took
a full year off of drinking because I just was like,
I just need it out, and I didn't know if
I would ever start again. But now I drink again sometimes,
and I have such a different relationship with it, and
(30:25):
it just feels like I do it when it's fun
if I want to. I do it when it feels
good if I want to, and then I don't do
it a lot of times either, and so it's just
like I just have such a different relationship with it.
But I felt like I needed a hard reset, and
I'm glad I did that. But then I don't think
everything has to be so extreme all the time, and
I think you can kind of listen to your body
(30:45):
and honor your own intuition too, And so that keeps
me out of getting so perfectionistic that it's not sustainable
as well, you know, because I just feel like sometimes
I'm so militant, like literally like I'm all fun, this
is when your.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Body's like I want taco bell, Well I want it again.
Your body doesn't do that, but mine does.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
You Know what I would say to that is, what
are you really wanting? What is your body really wanting?
And like we talked about this on the podcast with
Marv because we were talking about habits, and they say,
often when you're trying to like quit a habit, I've
been doing this new meditation of habit breaking because there's
one that I'm trying to quit too, and it has
to do with my sleep because I watch shows at
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night before bed. It's so not good for me. But
I have been doing this meditation and it's like affirmations
about habit quitting. But they say, if you focus on
don't do this, like don't eat taco bell, you just
had it, don't do it, You're gonna want to do
it more, right, yeah, whatever, So it's like focus on
the positive behavior that you're using to replace the taco bell,
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Like if it's you are hungry and you want to
make something more healthy, like focus on how great you're
gonna make that meal, like what you're saying about focusing
on doing something well, or if you're not going to
eat because you're not hungry, focus on making a really
fucking great glass of water, you know, or like what's
the behavior that you're going to replace that with and
put all of your energy and focus onto that, not
(32:10):
on you can't eat taco bell. I find that to
be really like works for me. And then because then
it also sometimes I'll just reflect on, Okay, why do
I want to put on bad reality TV right before
I go to bed? And most of the time, you
know what it is, I'm lonely because like my boyfriend
does that live here or something?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And I'm like, oh, you want something, you need something mindless?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, And I'm just like, but it's also it's like
background noise, and so it makes me not feel alone,
and I'm like, that just also means I'm disconnected from myself.
Because when I'm tapped into myself and connected with myself,
I can be in solitude and be great. Yeah, but
like if I'm disconnected, I need him around or like
and just get anxious at night. Night is like a
(32:52):
time of anxiety for me. It has been my whole life.
And then the second I swear to God, the second
I'm like, oh are you lonely? Or oh are you
wanting to disconnect because you've oversone something today, And sometimes
I let myself do it. I'm not psycho, but like
what the second I say it, my body will go calm, peaceful,
like it just needs to be acknowledged or something. I
(33:14):
don't know. I don't really understand what that is. But
that's a big theme of this month, is just really
focusing on habits and perfectionism where it can get toxic.
But also I love what you said about Emma, like
really focusing on doing the things you're doing well right
and then kind of letting go of maybe the result
or the outcome after.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, I mean it's I think too. It's like there
is peace in that too, because there are times where
you lose the job that you really wanted and you
have to do something to make ends meet. You know,
it's like life, life's sometimes yeah, and in those moments
it's really hard to believe or remember that most things
are temporary. I mean life itself is temporary. It's a
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long temporary. So if you find yourself in a position
that's work related, or you get broken up with or whatever,
like be really good at being single, you know, be
really good at the retail job that you have to
take to support your family or yourself or whatever it is,
because there is always something after that. Unless you sabotage yourself,
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it's usually your own fault. If there isn't something that's
you're probably not doing what you're doing very well. Yeah,
you shut down or you're looking for someone to blame
other than just life.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
So one of the other things happening this month is
the Pisc's eclipse, which we've talked a little bit about
Pisc's energy, but yeah, Pisces is very much healing, it's
very much tapping into emotions. It can be very dreamy,
it's very sensitive as far as like what you're feeling,
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what other people are feeling, all of those things. But
it also one of the shadow sides of Pisces is
it's driven by Neptune, which is the planet of illusion.
And so if you have heavy Pisce's energy in your chart,
often sometimes you're a big dreamer, you're very creative, and
you can be kind of fooled by some things in society,
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which I think you and I have both dealt with.
And so one of the themes coming up in September
with Pisces is just like kind of maybe the unraveling
of some things that you thought were one thing and
maybe realizing there another. And so we were going to
talk about it a little bit, because I think everyone
can relate to the fact or the point of thinking
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somebody was something and then realizing they're totally something different,
and kind of like the bubble bursting. I always say
this about celebrities, like because of our jobs, like we
do get to meet a lot of famous people, and
I'm like, I don't There's certain ones I probably never
want to meet. And like Beyonce, I've always been like,
I just never want to meet her because I have
(36:03):
her on such a pedestal of such a creative, such
a hard worker. I also know about too much about
her chart though, and she's a Virgo, and like I
love Virgos in a lot of ways. But I'm like,
but she might not be what I want her to be.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
You know, she might get her to probably very sweet.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
But she's also very type and very but.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
There's probably a shield around her.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Sure, and I would want to go deep, you know,
like tell me, let's talk about this song, and let's
talk about the breakup Alba or the Cheating album and
like she'd be like, no bit talking.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I just met you, right.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
And I'm like, wait, why are we go get me
a coffee? I would totally do it. Well, have you
gone through that ever in your life? Though? Or is
there you wouldn't want to meet?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Hm would not want to meet? I'm not sure that
there isn't. I mean, I just love people.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Don't need some of them. I just need to keep
on a pedestal of not human right.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Right, Yeah, But I look, I think to the overall,
like point of this conversation is even the people that
we do know that we see all the time, like
we are a human being. Like, I think it's really
important to remember that each and every one of us
are ever evolving or should be ever evolving. And you know,
change sometimes isn't obvious when it starts to happen. Sometimes
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it takes a long time for change to become visible
to you. And when you know, maybe it's someone in
your that you're in a relationship with, maybe it's a friend,
maybe it's a family member, and then you're like, what happened? You? Like,
aren't who you thought? Who I thought you were? I mean, look,
we have some former friends in common that just they
turn out to be not who you thought they were.
(37:55):
And that doesn't mean that they weren't the person that
you thought they were while you thought they were, they
just evolved into something that you didn't like or like.
And I run a stat a stat not that long
ago about friendships, and most friendships they're cyclical, like most
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people are in your life for maybe five years and
they cycle out, you know, and but we still I
still think of those people as friends, but I'm not
like in touch with them.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Oh that's so interesting though, because I'm like still really
close to the people who were my best friends when
I was eight, like I have.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I'm still very close to a lot of those people too,
but I don't talk to them as much as I
talk to you and my current They're not in your
day to day right but I can pick up right
where we left off. But like, I don't know, I
don't know. They're not my best friends like they were
because we're just different people, our situations are different. Like
I can talk more. I can talk more freely about
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things that are happening in my life right now with
the people that are in my life right now because
I don't have to explain everything. I mean, even when
I I'm on the phone with my mom and dad,
like I leave out a lot of shit, not because
I'm trying to hide it from them, but because I
don't want to have to explain to her who Reagan
is or who Sues is. That's Reagan's mom shout out
to Sues. But like it's just some of it is
(39:15):
just there's way too much detail, so I'm like I
just gloss over it, you know, And that's maybe not fair,
but it's also it's a product of like the amount
of time I get to talk to them or whatever
it is, and kind of going down a little bit
of a RABBITTI.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
It makes sense to me though, because like having my
parents here has been so helpful for that exact reason.
They're more up to date on my life and we
can just pay Like I remember when my mom used
to call, I'd be like, oh, I don't have two
hours right now, so I can't answer or something, and
it's like now I know I'm going to be you
can go over for dinner, yes, And that just makes
it easier because I would try to find these big
(39:53):
blocks to talk and it's like who has that time anymore?
In this life, you know, but like it's because I
wanted to catch up on everything and then I didn't
and I would just be but then it would be
two weeks before we talked, and then there would be
even more you need eight hours.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, and luckily she listens to this so right, you know,
that keeps her a little shout out, Ronda, That keeps
her up to date a little bit too. Obviously, It's
like this isn't a completely personal, sort of vocal diary
of your life, but she knows that you're into astrology.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
She definitely knows that. Yeah, but it is interesting as
you grow and evolve. I like this outlook that you
just gave though on friendships specifically, or realizing people in
our life or maybe a little bit different and you
can kind of go in your different ways. But I'd
like honoring each other's journeys versus kind of being like,
(40:46):
well they suck or this is like you know, it
being an angry situation, I guess, is what I'm trying
to say, Like this big has to be this like
falling out. It's like, why can't we just honor that
everyone's on their own journey and sometimes the journeys take
us in differ directions, and that's actually a beautiful thing
because that means each person is being true to who
they are and what their soul wants and what their
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journey is. My problem used to be that like that
would start happening in my life. And again this is
something that's changed as I've gotten older, but like this
would happened to me in romantic relationships. I would get
in a relationship and it would be super great at first,
and then I would realize this person is not at
all what I thought.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
That right You're like they were hot or.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Just like at the time, it seemed like, oh, this
is such a good fit. And then I would get
to fully know them and be like, no, it's not.
But I would want to change them.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Right well, because you also want to believe it works
when you when you feel those sparks in the beginning
of a relationship. And I don't think this is unique
to you. It's like we put you go into new
relationships with blinders on because you see the promise of
what it could be and then you find out you're
not on the same page.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, but I would be frustrated or mad about that,
and instead of being like we're just on different journeys
and this doesn't work for me or whatever. It would
be like, okay, well if they could just do this,
or maybe if they go to therapy or like those
kind of things. And now I just hold everything a
lot more loosely and really try to. It's helped in
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my current romantic relationship so much because I really honor
where he is in his life and his own journeys.
I mean, he's in fucking Africa right now, and that's
not like ideal for me, but it's so what I
know his soul is supposed to be doing. Like he's
a filmmaker. He's making this documentary, and it's beautiful to
watch someone in their purpose, you know what I mean.
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Like the way he lights up with this is like
nothing else in his life, and so I want to
support that. But maybe when I was younger, that would
have been threatening to me or something, or I would
not have been able to understand why he would need
that time, you know, or because it would take away
from our relationship. That sounds really selfish, but you know,
when you're younger, you're immature.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah that's scarier. I guess. Well, you also probably weren't
open to not open relationships a long distance relationship, and
that's a new thing for you too, and that has created,
you know, a new set of skills for you within
relationships because any of that insecurity of not hearing from
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someone or not seeing somebody for a few days like
that has to go up. You have to relinquish that
to make a long distance relationship work.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
So well, we also really have to work on communication. Yeah,
so it's like this constant thing of us hearing each
other and it's been beautiful to experience. Actually, yeah, But
I think my point, the bigger point was accepting who
him for who he truly is and what I know
he's here to do. And I'm sure it helps that
we're older when we're meeting, because we're both a little
(43:46):
more settled in our lives and so we know who
we are more. And like, yeah, when you're honest with
yourself about that, you can communicate it to your partner.
But like, he and I are very different on a
lot of levels, but like I so appreciate him for
who he is and the differences that we have, and
like I learn from him, and I think it's the
same for him with me. You know, it's right. So
if you hold things a little more loosely like that
(44:08):
and not try to put your own definition of what
someone should be on someone else, I think the whole
illusion falling or whatever happens a little bit less, right right.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, Well it also too, it's i mean, outside of
romantic relationships, it's the same thing for your boss, you know.
Or even as I've aged, I see my parents so
differently because now I'm at an age where I can
remember when they were my age and they're not that
different than I am. Like now they're just an older
(44:43):
version of me, and because I haven't been there, like
sometimes I'll get frustrated with them, but I'm sure I'm
just gonna be just a fuck like them, you know.
And it's I mean, you know, my mom fell and
broke her neck and still went and partied, like of
course that's something that I would do, you know. It
is that is me to a t, And so yeah,
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I think it's like, I you know, I'm sure there
are moments in my life that I wish I could
go back to that exact moment moment and who I
was in that moment. But like, really I think about
you know, everything that I've overcome and learned, and in
ways that I've shifted and changed and both like physically
and mentally and geographically, like I've moved around a lot,
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and I think it's helped make me who I am.
But it's certainly I'm sure there are people that are like,
he's different, you know, like, oh yeah, but I think
that in my core, I'm not different.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Like it's weird because I actually think you're so the same,
and because I think in your core you are like
right from the day that I met you, I can't,
I don't and I actually love this about you, but
it will be in different groups of people and you're
always the same, like you're just who you are, you know,
And I think that's a beautiful quality. But I think
that it's so interesting that people will be like, well,
(46:02):
he's changed, because it's like you've evolved and grown for
the better, which I do think some friends have said
to you recently, which I think is cool. But like
if I think that's when you know that people who
can go on the walk with you like that maybe
could last more than the five years. It's like, are
they willing to accept a new version of you? If
it's serving you, like for the better, you know, and
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and you grow together. That's a big one for all relationships.
It's like I think, like when you hear about long
term marriages, the ones that I always talk to you
or hear about, is like they can grow together. They've
let each other's personalities die and be reborn a million times,
and their relationship die and be reborn. And that is
how like, that is how life works. We're never we
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shouldn't be the same as we were in our twenties.
Like thank God. Everyone's always like I want to go
back to my twenties. I'm like, I do not.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Like the only reason I would go back is to
do some things differently.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Oh I would do that, but or maybe I would
make different choices. But if you made different choices, you
wouldn't be where you are today. That is true too, No,
it's really I don't really I can't think about that.
Like everything that I've done in my life and every
relationship I've been in, whether it was great or terrible,
it has truly made me who I am today. Those
experiences so like they were worth it. Yeah, I don't know,
(47:20):
And I think the version of myself that I am
now I like so much more than any of my
past versions.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, so it's funny, it's it's it's contentment without it
being complacent, because I do think it takes a long
time in life to really figure out who you are
and what you like and what you'll stand for and
what you won't stand for. And that doesn't mean that
you get it right every day either, because there are
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challenges that you can't anticipate. And but I know that
the version of myself now, I'm more articulate and open
and vulnerable. And I used to just like run from
problems and now I mean I'm much calculated is not
the word. I'm much more patient with myself when I
have a problem, and I can, I like give myself
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the time to like think about it and look at
it and feel it and deal with it, and then
rather than running from it, which was my mo before,
I address it right. But what I'm but I've also
learned that I'm not good at addressing a problem right
off the bat, Like I have to sit with things
so that I can understand why I'm feeling the way
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that I'm feeling and look at it, and I try
I try to even look at things from other people's
perspectives too, when the problem involves other people. And and
maybe that has you know, maybe that came with moving
into artist management, because it's such a different thing. Like, yes,
my job has very specific things, but I'm also like
a shrink and I have to think about you know,
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I don't manage a brand of toothpaste. I manage human
beings that have the same sort of issues that I do, right,
and sometimes very different issues that you know. I don't
have children. I'm not an expert on shit like that.
But anyway, I think it's just age and time bringing
you to a place where I think every day you
become more and more and more content and accepting with
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who you are, or more accepting of who you are.
And it's like you also recognize the things that you'll
probably never be, you know, and accepting that. And that's fine.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
When you do that with yourself, you can do it
with others too. And I think so kind of the
energy of right now is just really kind of getting
honest with ourselves about the perfectionist stuff, our daily routines,
all of that, and then on the bigger scale of
the pissy stuff, breaking down illusions and allowing space for
each human to be who they are and not letting
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it necessarily be a negative. Like it's kind of going
into that more humanitarian like I want to help everyone,
and also like only if they want it, like rightly
if people like just not forcing ourselves on anyone and
forcing our projections, I guess is like on anyone and
accepting people as they are, loving people and loving ourselves.
(50:15):
You know, it always goes back to the same stuff
if you really think about it, but the ways that
we get there are kind of different, and right now,
I think a lot of the messages are around daily routines, habits,
not going too far into perfectionism, but also like doing
things well and putting having some sort of esteem come
from the things you're doing. And then always with the
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pissy stuff, it's just like fitting, like being yourself and
then letting others be themselves too, and loving them despite
their own humanity, and loving yourself despite your own humanity,
like all of that all.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
We need is love and look, and it's it's also
important to remember it ain't always about you, you know
what I mean, It's just not so I think then
it it makes it a lot easier, Yeah, like, you know,
like someone might yell at you or be rude or
like do something that hurts you and often has nothing
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to do with you. Oh god, it has to do
with them. And it's really hard to it's really hard
to like sit back and understand that sometimes because we
want to defend ourselves and our egos, step in and
all of those things. But when someone does hurt you
or something like that happens, like, rather than try to
get retribution and take it out on them, just love
(51:32):
on yourself a little bit more because it's it is
the most punk rock thing that you could do in
the moment, rather than let whatever they did or said
about you be true. Because the truth is is they
were going through something and you just happened to you.
You were a casualty in whatever was going on in
their life. Yeah, and it goes both. It goes towards
(51:53):
love too. You know. It's like the more that you
can love on yourself, the more that you're going to
be able to accept life when it's coming your way too.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
So sure you're saying that with a sign behind you,
this is love yourself.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Love yourself.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Forgot about we got this?
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Well?
Speaker 2 (52:08):
I love breaking these down with you, because I do
think these are way more tangible as far as the
astrology conversation goes, and kind of themes you guys can
work with the energy of what's happening right now and
like maybe just paying attention like I like just the noticer,
you know, like putting your noticer on, and if some
of these things are things that you're bumping up against,
(52:29):
Like I just know how it works in my life.
It's always when I'm when Marv is telling me the themes,
I'm like, well that makes sense that this is happening
or you know, it's just like once you actually know
the energy, you can kind of apply it to whatever
you're going through and you know, take what you like
and leave the rest. If it works for you, great.
If you want to reach out to us, you know,
always email us at the Edge at velvet sedge dot com.
(52:49):
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(53:20):
review all the things, we would really appreciate it. And
good got us a mouthful. As you guys go into
your weekend and you're living on the edge, I hope
you always remember too
Speaker 1 (53:31):
A casual bye bye
How are you doing to I'm good. It's weird. See,
I mean, for those of you who are watching on YouTube,
it's got like these light beams come down. My desk
is situated right under a light, so I don't know
how to make that go away. Oh but it's distracting
to me. But no, I'm good. I'm good.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
You seem like you have a little pep in your
step today.
Speaker 1 (00:31):
Honestly, I went to the gym this morning. I left
my house and went to the gym. So maybe that's why.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
Oh, you know, this is a very interesting transition right
into the topic. We don't even need to speak any further.
But obviously I did my podcast with Marv on Wednesday,
and there's a lot of astrology for September. There's a
lot of themes. So it's really interesting because I've been
going to Marv and I'm like, how do we make
this more digestible for people? Because I know it's a
(00:57):
you know it must talking with you, I'm like, this
is a little over some people's heads, and he's like,
that's not what I do. Apologized, He straight up is like,
that's not what I do. It's not my job to
make it digestible, but that's your skill set. So you know,
I'm trying to kind of explain some of the things
that Marv is saying in more tangible, day to day
(01:21):
processes for people. And I think this podcast that you
and I do is really helpful in that way too,
because a lot of people are on the same level
with the astrology that you are. Like, it's obviously out there,
it's talked about all the time now, and I think
that's only going to grow in the coming years. But
it's not necessarily that it matters if you know what
planet is moving into what house, or you know theme
(01:46):
I mean, or like what eclipses is coming up. What
really matters is understanding kind of the energy of the
time so that you can work with it in your life.
Like it's it's not ever this like doomsday thing of
oh God, here's this coming or whatever. It's very much
like this is happening. So you'll probably notice some things
(02:06):
in your life. You can either let them take you
out or like you know, massively like up end some
things you have going on, or you can lean in
and work with them and help yourself through the processes
of life and just ever else.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
It's a complicated time, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
For sure. Like Saturn has been in Piscis, and that
won't mean anything to you, but Saturn is, like they
call him Daddy Saturn. He's very much the teacher planet.
So it's like it comes in and it kind of
makes you assess your processes and and just kind of
all these different assess the way you're living your life,
I would say, and you're programming and all that stuff. Well,
(02:48):
I have a Pisce's moon, so do you, actually, And
for the last two years Saturn has been in Pisces,
and so for us, I've met with many astrologers about this,
but it feels very much like this energy of one
day you're like, I'm gonna get up. I'm gung ho,
I can get started with all this stuff. I'm so creative,
and then you could literally wake up the next day
(03:08):
and feel like you got hit by a bus and
can't get out of bed. And it's just almost like
this like walking through quicksand feelings. So it's very much
like two steps forward, two steps back energy. And I
was beating myself up for that, you know, like why
can't you work like you used to? And just feeling
like something was wrong with me until an estrollerger told
me that, and she was she was like, you're not
(03:29):
going to feel the relief until Saturn moves out of Pisces,
and so okay, well, so interestingly enough, I don't know
how you felt the last couple is it weeks or months?
But Saturn did move into Aries for a bit, and
I was knocking shit out like that was when I
got the Developed Edge podcast page finally started, Like we got
(03:50):
new branding stuff up finally. I've been wanting to do
that for a minute, you know, but like I just
didn't have the energy. Everything came back. My normal self
felt like it was back. That's because Aris is a driver.
It's a doer. It's like as wants to move. It's
the warrior of the zodiac, you know, like it wants
to get shit done. It processes emotions even by getting
(04:12):
stuff done. So no wonder I felt like that. Well,
then Saturn retrograded back into Pisces, and let me fucking
tell y'all, I've just been back. It's just like it's
very much like I feel like I'm sloshing through quicksand
to get anything done, Like things seem like they're taking
so much more time, and it didn't happen immediately, but
I noticed it this week again and I was like, oh,
(04:34):
it's back.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Fuck, how long will that be?
Speaker 2 (04:37):
I need to look up. It's a couple months, I think,
and it really it retrogrades back to make sure. It's
like one final run through of did you set yourself up,
did you put the right structures in place? Did you
get the right foundation in place to help things work
seamlessly moving forward? And then once it moves into aries,
it's going to be fast motion again and will be
(04:57):
like really gung ho to work. But yeah, for the
next couple I wish I can't tell you guys the
exact timing. Sorry, and that was I should have looked
this up before. I want on this tangent. But when
Saturn moves back into aries, we'll feel the shift, I'm sure,
and be back to like gung ho. And so for now,
it's just more about evaluating. So if you feel like
(05:18):
that can't get out of bed energy, don't beat yourself up.
Just be like, Okay, I'm gonna be gentle with myself today.
What can I evaluate with my systems, my programs, Like
what I'm putting into place, with work, what I'm taking on,
how do I make sure I don't hit burnout? Like
is this a good foundation that I'm setting up for myself?
Is there anything I missed? It also matters what house
you have pieces in. Mine's in the eleventh house. So
(05:40):
it's been themes of friends of social media like things
like that. So those are all up for evaluation for me.
So I'll have to look at you.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
How many houses are there? Twelve twelve houses. It's funny
because now hearing that, like it makes a lot of sense.
Like I was, it was like I could not get
enough sleep over the last couple of months, and because
of that, I mean, and it's like there's a million
things that I could point to reasons why, but I
broke all of my systems that I'd been really good
(06:09):
about putting in place and like being healthy, and then
it's like one day turns into a week, and it
turns into a month, and the next thing you know,
you've gained fifteen pounds and then you're mad at yourself
and that's a reason to not like or the mountain
seems too climb hard to climb, and blah blah blah.
But it was funny because my buddy John, he and
I were talking Easter and he's like, let's go to
the He's like, I feel like I've been kind of lazy,
(06:31):
and I was like, I have been really lazy in
terms of taking care of myself. And so I was like, well,
let's go to the gym, because I've got a gym
in my house now and I don't even think heat.
So I was like, let's make a plan to go
to the gym in the morning. So I have to
pull myself out of bed. And I you know, I
have a virtual it's it's a real person, but he's
a virtual trainer and he lives in Las Vegas. And
(06:53):
I've just kind of I mean a I've been paying
way too much money for it and not using his
services and ignoring all of his messages and just because
of shame really and and so I went to the
gym this morning and I have to use It's all
through an app. And I logged onto the app and
he had messaged me yesterday being like, hey, man, haven't
(07:15):
heard from you. This is the last time you used
the app, and like drop the date in there, and
was like, let me know if you want to hop
on the phone so we can get you know, get
you back moving and blah blah blah. And so I
responded to him from the gym this morning at seven am,
being like, your timing is impeccable, Like this is wild,
and you know, I was like, I do what I
(07:36):
always do. I missed a couple of days, I let
life life, I got lazy, and then I spiraled. So
it's it's just interesting to think that, you know, we
are all so quick to blame ourselves. Yes, and there
are other forces at play, and they're invisible.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
And unless you know your chart, unless you're just what
I'm always saying to people, I'm like, go do a reading.
It's like, I know, it can sound really confusing, and
that's why sometimes you do need someone to guide you
through it, like an a certified astrologer that knows what
they're looking at and how to say it to you
in a way that's digestible. But it's interesting what you
(08:13):
just said, because during Saturn moving into aries, it sounds
like you got off your programming, like you got the
energy of Ares and we're just whatever kind of didn't
have your foundations in place. So now you're in the
retrograde of Pisces again with Saturn being and Pisces again,
and it's going to ask you to evaluate, and that's
what you're doing, Like, how do I do this in
(08:35):
a way that's more long term or that I'm going
to stick with that's not maybe over exerting myself so
hardcore that when life gets hard, I quit, you know,
like figuring those systems out, which I'm sure that guy
can help you with. I just looked yours is in
the fifth House, which is really interesting because that's the
house of creativity of gifts and talents children, which children
(08:59):
in fertill That doesn't really apply romance and love affairs, pease,
that's what your pieceson is in. But because your moon
is there, we're feeling this so much more because that's
your emotional core.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
Right. So anyway, I mean a lot of that tracks.
And it's funny because I think that, you know, most people,
most people's interaction with astrology is probably pretty similar. It's
like what they read in their daily paper or they
get their daily email or whatever or now there's.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
So many astrology like people online, right.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
Yeah, but I think most people that is the majority
of the way that people see it. Like the paper
comes and they're like, let me read my horoscope for
the day, totally, and I think a lot of people
read that with the future in mind versus the present
and mindesting. I know, at least that's how I used
(09:49):
to read them, because you everyone wanted the horoscope to
give them good news, and that's not what it is.
It's actually just giving you news. It's just education. And
I think those I think the ones that are in
papers and stuff, and apologies to any people who write those,
but like, I think that's part of the goal, is
to like you're selling a little bit of hope there.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
Sure, And it's just like I remember before I actually
knew about astrology, and this is this We'll tell you
how long ago this is because I would get magazines
for my airplane rides. Uh huh, So that was, you know, forever.
That feels like a different lifetime now. But I used
to love getting Cosmopolitan because in the back they had
an astrology breakdown and I actually have had, which is
(10:33):
such a full circle moment. The astro twins who did that,
they still do it, I think in Cosmo. I believe
it's Cosmo and Marie Claire, but they've they've been on
the podcast twice. Now I'm friends with them, so it's like,
what a life moment. I love having this podcast for
that reason because I just get to meet. Those are
the kind of people I geek out about.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
You are you? Are you a fan of Susan Miller? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (10:54):
I have a book of hers, but.
Speaker 1 (10:56):
I don't want to know her daughter Diana Oh.
Speaker 2 (10:58):
Wild, Okay. Debra Silverman's probably like the biggest one I
geek out about because she was on the road of
Sting forever doing his astrology, and I'm like, she is
like the mecca. But what you just described. Marvin and
I actually talked about before we started recording, because I
was asking him, I'm like, how do we talk? Yeah,
how do we make this more digestible? And that's when
(11:18):
he was saying, well, I don't you do whatever, which
he's right about, and it actually was very helpful to
me because he used my chart to tell me that,
like where I have all of my North node and
sun sign, and like, so much of my personality is
in the third house, which is communication, so that is
like what I'm supposed to be here doing. So anyway,
(11:40):
we said all that and then he was like, yeah,
a lot of what I think you're feeling pressure from
from these apps or you know, the things that people
find on social media is called predictive astrology. He's like,
I do evolutionary astrology, which makes sense to me because
it's like the kind of astrology that Marv's doing is
to tell you how, like what is your soul here
(12:01):
to do? You know, it's the stuff we talk about
on this podcast. What is your soul here to do?
What is the what lessons are you trying to learn
and work through in this lifetime for your own evolution,
your own growth, your own soul's mission and purpose versus, Hey,
next month, you're going to have a great month without
you being at all aware of why that's happening or
(12:23):
the like the movement of it. What you can contribute,
what your soul wants from that, Like, that's just pop astrology,
and it's it's the predictive astrology is very much for
the fun of it. I think, like you're saying, that's fine,
I have no judgment. I'm just in a place of
wanting to actually use this as a tool in my
life way more than just like reading a fucking fortune cookie.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well yeah, also too, It's like when you're talking about
a magazine or newspaper, space is money, and so they
they're you know, you're getting a paragraph for each and
that's all they can really say. So it's there's only
so much detail in that pop astrology stuff that you
sure really give well.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
And people are always selling shiit right, that's yeah, the
name of the game and the society.
Speaker 1 (13:08):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
But it's interesting that we're talking about all of this
because one of the things that Marvin I discussed was
the Vergo new Moon, and you and I were kind
of talking through that Virgo energy before because it can
often be associated with perfectionism, which I think there's goods
and bads to perfectionism, and we'll get into that in
just a second, but a lot of the Virgo new
Moon is also asking you to kind of review your
(13:30):
daily structures and your routines, like are they helpful, are
they comfortable for you? Are they something that's sustainable, or
are you in a prison of them so that when
life gets busy or hard or whatever, you're going to quit. Yeah,
so we were going to kind of talk about that.
You actually mentioned something from the Mel Robins podcast. It's
not actually something Mel said, but.
Speaker 1 (13:51):
No, is she in this week? Actually it's from Sunday.
She interviewed Emma Greed. I think it's how you say.
Her last name is g r Eed, and she's She
is the CEO and co founder of Skims with Kim
Kardashian and Good American with Chloe Kardashian, I think. And
then also she works with Chris Kardashian on a company
(14:12):
called Safely, which, funny enough, I have it under my
sink and I had no idea it was a Kardashian product.
Speaker 2 (14:18):
What is Safely.
Speaker 1 (14:18):
It's they're like non toxic cleaning supplies for your house.
And I have like the all purpose cleaner that I
have like that. I just love how it smells. I
just bought it randomly one day because the store didn't
have what I was looking for.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
So I Kardashians nail their products. Sorry not sorry, they
do well.
Speaker 1 (14:41):
So she was talking about she was I think Mel
asked her, you know, what's some advice that you can
give people, Like, what's a really important piece of advice,
and she said, whatever you're doing, do it well. She's like,
you don't wake up one day and have the job
of your dreams. You have to have a lot of
shit jobs before you get there. And she's like, you know,
(15:02):
if it's you know, waking up in the morning and
wanting to give yourself a good day, like put on
your nicest pajamas, because you can, like if you're going
to make a breakfast, like make it beautiful, like do
it right. If you're working at a sandwich shop, make
the best hand sandwich in town, because the energy that
you're putting into those efforts, people will see, you know,
(15:25):
they will pick up on that energy and want to
work with you for other reasons because they see that
how much you care. You know, it's really truly about
caring and doing effort and putting in the effort. And
it's not about being perfect either. It's about just doing
your best and caring. And it's interesting because it is
(15:45):
like it's an act of like self care to act
that way, because ultimately you're going to be a whole
lot happier if you make yourself a really good breakfast,
or you feel like you dressed your best, or you
took care of yourself, or you feel like you're treating
your customers great by giving them the best sandwich that
they can find in town, but it's also in service
(16:05):
to whoever else you're doing it for. You know, if
it's a work project and you want just to deliver
on it and do a great job, that's good for
whoever the client is. So it's not a self fulfilling problem.
It's a mutually beneficial sort of way of living. And
then you also don't have to worry about the job
that you're doing if you're giving everything great care. Also,
(16:26):
you know, you have to give yourself she mentioned, like
you have to give yourself the space to fail, because
we are all inevitably going to fail at things. And
that doesn't mean, like don't internalize that, because it's not
just about you. It's about the situation. And that just
wasn't the right situation for you, and you move on
and you just continue doing your best at everything that
(16:47):
you can continue to do. That was really great. My
niece right now is starting our senior year of high school,
and ever since she was little, she's wanted to be
a nurse. My niece right now is starting her senior
(17:10):
year of high school, and ever since she was little,
she's wanted to be a nurse. And she got into
this special nursing program that the high school offers that
fast tracks you in a nursing school. And she decided
to quit it before the school year started because she's
not sure that she wants to be a nurse anymore,
and so she's really conflicted, and obviously her parents are
(17:31):
not happy about it because it was a path. But
I said to her, I was like, look, I might
not be the best person to give you advice on
this because I knew what I wanted to do, and
I like stumbled across the path. And so when you
look at my life, it looks like I planned it,
but I didn't. Like there were happy accidents that got
me to where I was going. But what I can
(17:52):
tell you is, if you go to school for something
that you don't want to do, you've wasted a lot
of money and time. So go to schoolgure out what
you want to do. It might take you longer than normal,
but figure out, like do the little things, to figure
out what it is that you actually love and then
specialize in that, like especially in the medical field, Like
(18:13):
that is a really long road to go down. Yeah,
or something that you don't want to do. And I
asked my sister yesterday, I said, well, what is it
about it? And she goes, she hates needles and she
can't fathom the idea of having to stick needles in people.
Speaker 2 (18:25):
That's like half of a nurse's job.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That's half of a nursing job. So but what's interesting
about asking that question is once she admitted that that
was the thing, then other nurse friends were like, you
could go into radiology, you could do this, you could
do this, there's no needles in it, and you make
bank doing these things. So now she's able to reconsider,
you know, if that is a path for her or not.
(18:48):
So it's funny because I think we beat ourselves up
over that sort of perfect the need for perfectionism and
knowing what we're going to do and and everything being
the end of the world. Everything's just a step to
the next thing.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Yeah, well a couple things. I mean, first of all,
that's kind of what remember Bonnie Hammer talked about that,
she said, how do you know what you want to
do when you don't even know what jobs are available?
Speaker 1 (19:10):
So that it.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Sounds like your niece is actually doing that step right
now where she's in maybe the field that she wants
to be in, but it's not specifically the job yet
and so she can find out the different ones that
might work for her more because she hates needles. So yeah,
I don't think of that as even failing. It's just
more of like learning and finding your path. But with
(19:33):
the perfectionism thing. I love what the emma because it
grew with as her list.
Speaker 1 (19:39):
I think it's greed.
Speaker 2 (19:39):
Greed, Okay, I love what she's saying because when I
was going through some really hard times, I had a
mentor who would say, just focus on get up out
of bed every day and focus on putting on clothes.
And like, for me, that was very therapeutic because I
like fashion a lot, and so it would kind of
get my creativity going or whatever. But one of the
(20:00):
things the reason she had me do that was because
when you're doing things for yourself and you're trying to
do them well, even when you're struggling, it is a
form of building your own self esteem. So, like what
you were saying about do it well, Like even if
you're making a sandwich or whatever your job is to
be a sandwich, make it well. That's building your self esteem, right,
and so it's giving you something to be passionate about.
(20:24):
I mean, you could be making minimum wage, it doesn't matter.
It's like, what what is your purpose in this day?
And if it's to make the best fucking sandwich at subway, great,
Like yeah, exactly, I forgot you were a see much artist. Yeah,
but like make it well and that will build you
up and then always you know, it seems like when
you're in a better place with yourself and your self
(20:46):
love and your self esteem are high, you are opening
yourself up to more opportunities in the world. I also
love though that she touched on if you fail, like
there has to be room for failure, because that's I
think I mentioned to you this tea when we were
first talking about this topic, like I do have to
keep perfectionism in check for myself because I want to
(21:07):
do everything really well. But then I can get wrapped
up into that and like hyper focused almost like obsessive
compulsive in a way of like every detail has to
be this certain way, which one doesn't like leave room
for life, you know. But then in my job, and
I think other people can probably relate to this, like
that's the way I want to do it right, but
(21:29):
I have to factor in all the people I'm working
with you know, like I'm dressing an artist that has
their own personality, their own vision, their own body insecurities.
Then there's management and the label, and they all have
the same things that they're factoring in. So if I
get so set in my ways of what would be perfect,
I'm always going to be disappointed, right, because it's not
(21:52):
leaving room for that. And so then if it doesn't
go exactly the way I would want it to, a
lot of times in the past, I would look at
that as failure instead of learning right, and or like
if they're happy when they leave my fitting or something
like that, like that's still a win even if it
wasn't exactly perfect for me, If that makes sense. Yeah,
I've had Yeah, I've just had to like EBB and
(22:13):
flow through that because I think there's a great, great
benefit to having pride in your work and wanting to
do a good job, like for sure. And on the
flip side, I think you have to leave room for
other nuances of life and jobs and work and whatever.
We're talking about it in work, but this can be
in anything.
Speaker 1 (22:33):
It can be in anything, relationships, whatever it's things aren't
always going to I mean, look some of the greatest
artists of all time implode because people just yes them
to death, for sure, And I feel like I'm around
artist I work with artists that are actually open. It's
not always easy to receive constructive criticism, but I feel
(22:55):
like they hear it, you know. And that's the way
to have any sort of long longevity, whether it be
in a relationship and a job, in a creative position, whatever,
is to like listen to criticism. And that doesn't mean
you have to take it. It doesn't mean you have
to agree with it. But if you can listen to
it and absorb it and be curious about it, it
(23:17):
might actually make you better at whatever.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Oh absolutely, Yeah, Yeah, I do think it's a tough
pill to swallow, but like you said, it can be
the most valuable.
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
I always try to, like, if my ego wants to
bump up when someone's telling me something I could do better,
I'm like, this isn't your highest good listen, you know,
like right, But it's not our human instinct, often, I
don't think so. It does sometimes take me a little
bit of practice, and it's gotten way easier as i've
gotten older. I think when I was younger, I just
would take it if you're insecure at all, you can't
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handle it.
Speaker 1 (23:47):
Like, what's also about the delivery and how you receive
it too, because if someone's just being an asshole, I mean,
look back to the best sandwich example, Like I could
make you what is what I think is the best sandwich,
but you're like, I fucking hate hot peppers, you know
what I mean?
Speaker 2 (24:04):
And then probably put condiments on it. And I hate condiments, right,
most people love them, though, So how would you if
you might take it personal? If you're like, look at
all this mayonnaise, I'd be like I would give Yeah,
don't tell me I hate maynaise.
Speaker 1 (24:19):
She's like fuck sandwiches, like are.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
There vegetables on this? And is a bread gluten free?
I am not your best audience, but you.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
Know what, it's this kind of criticisms that you would
help me learn that not every customer is the same
shape and south.
Speaker 2 (24:32):
Right, it's because it's it's also not personal to you
or your skill set.
Speaker 1 (24:36):
Right, Oh, you're the weirdo eater. You're the bird, the
bird gluten.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Birds don't No one should eat gluten though, Okay you
get on mush it all the time, but like whatever.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Anyway, eat some rolls, honey.
Speaker 2 (24:57):
When let's talk a little bit about routines, because you
open this conversation with talking about your trainer. And then
when we thought this was funny, y'all, Chip had a
note from an outline that has sent him and it says,
Virgo loves a routine, but uranus square says break free.
And this is He reads it and he goes, I'm
just so confused about this part. Virgo loves a routine,
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but uranus square says break free.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
And I was like this, like why is uranus in
a square? Why square?
Speaker 2 (25:25):
And why is it breaking free? And I was like,
first of all, let's call it uranus.
Speaker 1 (25:31):
Is that the correct way to say it?
Speaker 2 (25:33):
I mean, people go all across the board, But I'm
just like, uranus is so aggressive, Like it's too much
like a uranus.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
Person like that that's a good it's a good way
to slip a joke in in fifth grade.
Speaker 2 (25:47):
Yeah, but slip a joke in that's even I mean,
right there, intended.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
To put this joke in square uranus.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I knew that was going somewhere. There you go, But
that's the part that you don't really have to worry about.
Like you don't have to understand exactly what planet is
moving into what or squaring what or conjunct what to
understand the energy. So when we were talking about that, though,
it was saying stuff about just talking about our daily
rituals like are they are they things that we can
keep in place? And you kind of said like I
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don't know, So what are you evaluating about your daily
rituals right now? Like what are you bumping up against
that you might change in this kind of evaluating time.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
Well, you know, in this hiring the trainer and stuff,
I was reevaluating like most of my life, like when
I was eating, what I was eating, when I was
working out, all these things, and it's like, I mean,
I have a checklist for the morning, and it's like
it takes me a good two hours to get everything
done before I should even like pick up my phone
to look at an email, look at social media, whatever.
(26:54):
Some days it's easier than others. But what something that
I've noticed that I struggle with is the days that
I'm not good, It sets me on this like path
of failure where then I get in that feedback loop
of like you're not good enough, like you can't even
do your morning routine, or I'll notice it's like eleven
thirty and I've just I've like sat down and I've
(27:15):
started working right away, and I'm like, I haven't even
brushed my teeth today. And that is something that I
had to like put on my daily routine in the morning.
Not that I don't brush my teeth, but it was
like I wanted to start thinking about my morning as
a checklist, like how to like open the blinds, take
ten deep breasts, drink a cup of water, Like I
put all of that stuff on there, and you know,
(27:37):
eventually it will just become habit and I won't even
think about it because I'm sure like if I sat
back and looked like I had a morning routine, it
just wasn't serving me properly. And now I've got this
idea of the perfect morning routine that I should be accomplishing,
and there are some days that I nail it and
some days that I don't, And so now I need to,
(27:58):
like I need to reevaluate that morning routine and be like, Okay,
what are some of the things that I can move
to mid day so that it doesn't feel so overwhelming
Because there are mornings that where I wake up and
I'm like, I don't want to do any of it,
of course, you know, I don't want to like fuck
my deep breaths.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Yeah, that's interesting that you say that, because I've almost
been going through a similar thing. And what I notice
is when I travel, everything gets off killed all because
my routine could be you know, in place, and I
love I love having a morning routine. It's like very
the ritual of that is very soothing to me. So
I love that. But then there's other things that, like
(28:40):
some things I'm trying to do because I'm trying to
work on my sleep, which is a constant work in
progress for me, but like that I'm supposed to do
these exercises every night and deep breathing, like you said,
and it's like sometimes I get to the end of
the day and I'm like, I don't want to fucking.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Do this, Like I just want to get back in bed, yeaheah.
Speaker 2 (28:54):
And then I'll travel and everything gets thrown off and
I'm staying up later and all the things I really
got when I got back to town this week, because
I was in New York all last week and I
was realizing the same thing had happened and I was
doing the thing you're saying where I was beating myself
up and just like, oh, you can never be consistent.
And I was like, Okay, I could sit here and
just shit on myself, or I could just start again,
(29:15):
start again. Like the other thing is, like what I've
started doing now is I think we're so trained for
instant gratification that I want results fast from everything I'm doing,
Like I just want it to happen overnight. And the
stuff that I'm doing is like a lot of somatic stuff,
and that stuff does not happen overnight. So what I
also said to myself was this isn't gonna happen fast anyway.
(29:38):
So like if there's a day that I just don't
want to do it, or I'm exhausted because I've had
a long day, or my body isn't feeling it, like
I'm just gonna listen to that and I'm gonna honor
that so that then and then say to myself, we'll
try again tomorrow. You know, Like the gentler approach seems
to register with my body so much better than going
into like this regimented thing. Because when I'm super regimented.
(30:03):
I'm like you, like, I can't maintain it long term
necessarily because it's too hardcore, right, Yeah, and sometimes you
need that, Like we've talked about this a lot, Like
sometimes I'll do this a hard reset, Like I took
a full year off of drinking because I just was like,
I just need it out, and I didn't know if
I would ever start again. But now I drink again sometimes,
and I have such a different relationship with it, and
(30:25):
it just feels like I do it when it's fun
if I want to. I do it when it feels
good if I want to, and then I don't do
it a lot of times either, and so it's just
like I just have such a different relationship with it.
But I felt like I needed a hard reset, and
I'm glad I did that. But then I don't think
everything has to be so extreme all the time, and
I think you can kind of listen to your body
(30:45):
and honor your own intuition too, And so that keeps
me out of getting so perfectionistic that it's not sustainable
as well, you know, because I just feel like sometimes
I'm so militant, like literally like I'm all fun, this
is when your.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
Body's like I want taco bell, Well I want it again.
Your body doesn't do that, but mine does.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
You Know what I would say to that is, what
are you really wanting? What is your body really wanting?
And like we talked about this on the podcast with
Marv because we were talking about habits, and they say,
often when you're trying to like quit a habit, I've
been doing this new meditation of habit breaking because there's
one that I'm trying to quit too, and it has
to do with my sleep because I watch shows at
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night before bed. It's so not good for me. But
I have been doing this meditation and it's like affirmations
about habit quitting. But they say, if you focus on
don't do this, like don't eat taco bell, you just
had it, don't do it, You're gonna want to do
it more, right, yeah, whatever, So it's like focus on
the positive behavior that you're using to replace the taco bell,
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Like if it's you are hungry and you want to
make something more healthy, like focus on how great you're
gonna make that meal, like what you're saying about focusing
on doing something well, or if you're not going to
eat because you're not hungry, focus on making a really
fucking great glass of water, you know, or like what's
the behavior that you're going to replace that with and
put all of your energy and focus onto that, not
(32:10):
on you can't eat taco bell. I find that to
be really like works for me. And then because then
it also sometimes I'll just reflect on, Okay, why do
I want to put on bad reality TV right before
I go to bed? And most of the time, you
know what it is, I'm lonely because like my boyfriend
does that live here or something?
Speaker 1 (32:26):
And I'm like, oh, you want something, you need something mindless?
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Yeah, And I'm just like, but it's also it's like
background noise, and so it makes me not feel alone,
and I'm like, that just also means I'm disconnected from myself.
Because when I'm tapped into myself and connected with myself,
I can be in solitude and be great. Yeah, but
like if I'm disconnected, I need him around or like
and just get anxious at night. Night is like a
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time of anxiety for me. It has been my whole life.
And then the second I swear to God, the second
I'm like, oh are you lonely? Or oh are you
wanting to disconnect because you've oversone something today, And sometimes
I let myself do it. I'm not psycho, but like
what the second I say it, my body will go calm, peaceful,
like it just needs to be acknowledged or something. I
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don't know. I don't really understand what that is. But
that's a big theme of this month, is just really
focusing on habits and perfectionism where it can get toxic.
But also I love what you said about Emma, like
really focusing on doing the things you're doing well right
and then kind of letting go of maybe the result
or the outcome after.
Speaker 1 (33:36):
Yeah, I mean it's I think too. It's like there
is peace in that too, because there are times where
you lose the job that you really wanted and you
have to do something to make ends meet. You know,
it's like life, life's sometimes yeah, and in those moments
it's really hard to believe or remember that most things
are temporary. I mean life itself is temporary. It's a
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long temporary. So if you find yourself in a position
that's work related, or you get broken up with or whatever,
like be really good at being single, you know, be
really good at the retail job that you have to
take to support your family or yourself or whatever it is,
because there is always something after that. Unless you sabotage yourself,
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it's usually your own fault. If there isn't something that's
you're probably not doing what you're doing very well. Yeah,
you shut down or you're looking for someone to blame
other than just life.
Speaker 2 (34:39):
So one of the other things happening this month is
the Pisc's eclipse, which we've talked a little bit about
Pisc's energy, but yeah, Pisces is very much healing, it's
very much tapping into emotions. It can be very dreamy,
it's very sensitive as far as like what you're feeling,
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what other people are feeling, all of those things. But
it also one of the shadow sides of Pisces is
it's driven by Neptune, which is the planet of illusion.
And so if you have heavy Pisce's energy in your chart,
often sometimes you're a big dreamer, you're very creative, and
you can be kind of fooled by some things in society,
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which I think you and I have both dealt with.
And so one of the themes coming up in September
with Pisces is just like kind of maybe the unraveling
of some things that you thought were one thing and
maybe realizing there another. And so we were going to
talk about it a little bit, because I think everyone
can relate to the fact or the point of thinking
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somebody was something and then realizing they're totally something different,
and kind of like the bubble bursting. I always say
this about celebrities, like because of our jobs, like we
do get to meet a lot of famous people, and
I'm like, I don't There's certain ones I probably never
want to meet. And like Beyonce, I've always been like,
I just never want to meet her because I have
(36:03):
her on such a pedestal of such a creative, such
a hard worker. I also know about too much about
her chart though, and she's a Virgo, and like I
love Virgos in a lot of ways. But I'm like,
but she might not be what I want her to be.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
You know, she might get her to probably very sweet.
Speaker 2 (36:21):
But she's also very type and very but.
Speaker 1 (36:25):
There's probably a shield around her.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Sure, and I would want to go deep, you know,
like tell me, let's talk about this song, and let's
talk about the breakup Alba or the Cheating album and
like she'd be like, no bit talking.
Speaker 1 (36:37):
I just met you, right.
Speaker 2 (36:39):
And I'm like, wait, why are we go get me
a coffee? I would totally do it. Well, have you
gone through that ever in your life? Though? Or is
there you wouldn't want to meet?
Speaker 1 (36:58):
Hm would not want to meet? I'm not sure that
there isn't. I mean, I just love people.
Speaker 2 (37:05):
Don't need some of them. I just need to keep
on a pedestal of not human right.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
Right, Yeah, But I look, I think to the overall,
like point of this conversation is even the people that
we do know that we see all the time, like
we are a human being. Like, I think it's really
important to remember that each and every one of us
are ever evolving or should be ever evolving. And you know,
change sometimes isn't obvious when it starts to happen. Sometimes
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it takes a long time for change to become visible
to you. And when you know, maybe it's someone in
your that you're in a relationship with, maybe it's a friend,
maybe it's a family member, and then you're like, what happened? You? Like,
aren't who you thought? Who I thought you were? I mean, look,
we have some former friends in common that just they
turn out to be not who you thought they were.
(37:55):
And that doesn't mean that they weren't the person that
you thought they were while you thought they were, they
just evolved into something that you didn't like or like.
And I run a stat a stat not that long
ago about friendships, and most friendships they're cyclical, like most
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people are in your life for maybe five years and
they cycle out, you know, and but we still I
still think of those people as friends, but I'm not
like in touch with them.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Oh that's so interesting though, because I'm like still really
close to the people who were my best friends when
I was eight, like I have.
Speaker 1 (38:31):
I'm still very close to a lot of those people too,
but I don't talk to them as much as I
talk to you and my current They're not in your
day to day right but I can pick up right
where we left off. But like, I don't know, I
don't know. They're not my best friends like they were
because we're just different people, our situations are different. Like
I can talk more. I can talk more freely about
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things that are happening in my life right now with
the people that are in my life right now because
I don't have to explain everything. I mean, even when
I I'm on the phone with my mom and dad,
like I leave out a lot of shit, not because
I'm trying to hide it from them, but because I
don't want to have to explain to her who Reagan
is or who Sues is. That's Reagan's mom shout out
to Sues. But like it's just some of it is
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just there's way too much detail, so I'm like I
just gloss over it, you know, And that's maybe not fair,
but it's also it's a product of like the amount
of time I get to talk to them or whatever
it is, and kind of going down a little bit
of a RABBITTI.
Speaker 2 (39:32):
It makes sense to me though, because like having my
parents here has been so helpful for that exact reason.
They're more up to date on my life and we
can just pay Like I remember when my mom used
to call, I'd be like, oh, I don't have two
hours right now, so I can't answer or something, and
it's like now I know I'm going to be you
can go over for dinner, yes, And that just makes
it easier because I would try to find these big
(39:53):
blocks to talk and it's like who has that time anymore?
In this life, you know, but like it's because I
wanted to catch up on everything and then I didn't
and I would just be but then it would be
two weeks before we talked, and then there would be
even more you need eight hours.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Yeah, and luckily she listens to this so right, you know,
that keeps her a little shout out, Ronda, That keeps
her up to date a little bit too. Obviously, It's
like this isn't a completely personal, sort of vocal diary
of your life, but she knows that you're into astrology.
Speaker 2 (40:25):
She definitely knows that. Yeah, but it is interesting as
you grow and evolve. I like this outlook that you
just gave though on friendships specifically, or realizing people in
our life or maybe a little bit different and you
can kind of go in your different ways. But I'd
like honoring each other's journeys versus kind of being like,
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well they suck or this is like you know, it
being an angry situation, I guess, is what I'm trying
to say, Like this big has to be this like
falling out. It's like, why can't we just honor that
everyone's on their own journey and sometimes the journeys take
us in differ directions, and that's actually a beautiful thing
because that means each person is being true to who
they are and what their soul wants and what their
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journey is. My problem used to be that like that
would start happening in my life. And again this is
something that's changed as I've gotten older, but like this
would happened to me in romantic relationships. I would get
in a relationship and it would be super great at first,
and then I would realize this person is not at
all what I thought.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
That right You're like they were hot or.
Speaker 2 (41:27):
Just like at the time, it seemed like, oh, this
is such a good fit. And then I would get
to fully know them and be like, no, it's not.
But I would want to change them.
Speaker 1 (41:35):
Right well, because you also want to believe it works
when you when you feel those sparks in the beginning
of a relationship. And I don't think this is unique
to you. It's like we put you go into new
relationships with blinders on because you see the promise of
what it could be and then you find out you're
not on the same page.
Speaker 2 (41:53):
Yeah, but I would be frustrated or mad about that,
and instead of being like we're just on different journeys
and this doesn't work for me or whatever. It would
be like, okay, well if they could just do this,
or maybe if they go to therapy or like those
kind of things. And now I just hold everything a
lot more loosely and really try to. It's helped in
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my current romantic relationship so much because I really honor
where he is in his life and his own journeys.
I mean, he's in fucking Africa right now, and that's
not like ideal for me, but it's so what I
know his soul is supposed to be doing. Like he's
a filmmaker. He's making this documentary, and it's beautiful to
watch someone in their purpose, you know what I mean.
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Like the way he lights up with this is like
nothing else in his life, and so I want to
support that. But maybe when I was younger, that would
have been threatening to me or something, or I would
not have been able to understand why he would need
that time, you know, or because it would take away
from our relationship. That sounds really selfish, but you know,
when you're younger, you're immature.
Speaker 1 (42:54):
Yeah that's scarier. I guess. Well, you also probably weren't
open to not open relationships a long distance relationship, and
that's a new thing for you too, and that has created,
you know, a new set of skills for you within
relationships because any of that insecurity of not hearing from
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someone or not seeing somebody for a few days like
that has to go up. You have to relinquish that
to make a long distance relationship work.
Speaker 2 (43:24):
So well, we also really have to work on communication. Yeah,
so it's like this constant thing of us hearing each
other and it's been beautiful to experience. Actually, yeah, But
I think my point, the bigger point was accepting who
him for who he truly is and what I know
he's here to do. And I'm sure it helps that
we're older when we're meeting, because we're both a little
(43:46):
more settled in our lives and so we know who
we are more. And like, yeah, when you're honest with
yourself about that, you can communicate it to your partner.
But like, he and I are very different on a
lot of levels, but like I so appreciate him for
who he is and the differences that we have, and
like I learn from him, and I think it's the
same for him with me. You know, it's right. So
if you hold things a little more loosely like that
(44:08):
and not try to put your own definition of what
someone should be on someone else, I think the whole
illusion falling or whatever happens a little bit less, right right.
Speaker 1 (44:20):
Yeah, Well it also too, it's i mean, outside of
romantic relationships, it's the same thing for your boss, you know.
Or even as I've aged, I see my parents so
differently because now I'm at an age where I can
remember when they were my age and they're not that
different than I am. Like now they're just an older
(44:43):
version of me, and because I haven't been there, like
sometimes I'll get frustrated with them, but I'm sure I'm
just gonna be just a fuck like them, you know.
And it's I mean, you know, my mom fell and
broke her neck and still went and partied, like of
course that's something that I would do, you know. It
is that is me to a t, And so yeah,
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I think it's like, I you know, I'm sure there
are moments in my life that I wish I could
go back to that exact moment moment and who I
was in that moment. But like, really I think about
you know, everything that I've overcome and learned, and in
ways that I've shifted and changed and both like physically
and mentally and geographically, like I've moved around a lot,
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and I think it's helped make me who I am.
But it's certainly I'm sure there are people that are like,
he's different, you know, like, oh yeah, but I think
that in my core, I'm not different.
Speaker 2 (45:40):
Like it's weird because I actually think you're so the same,
and because I think in your core you are like
right from the day that I met you, I can't,
I don't and I actually love this about you, but
it will be in different groups of people and you're
always the same, like you're just who you are, you know,
And I think that's a beautiful quality. But I think
that it's so interesting that people will be like, well,
(46:02):
he's changed, because it's like you've evolved and grown for
the better, which I do think some friends have said
to you recently, which I think is cool. But like
if I think that's when you know that people who
can go on the walk with you like that maybe
could last more than the five years. It's like, are
they willing to accept a new version of you? If
it's serving you, like for the better, you know, and
(46:22):
and you grow together. That's a big one for all relationships.
It's like I think, like when you hear about long
term marriages, the ones that I always talk to you
or hear about, is like they can grow together. They've
let each other's personalities die and be reborn a million times,
and their relationship die and be reborn. And that is
how like, that is how life works. We're never we
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shouldn't be the same as we were in our twenties.
Like thank God. Everyone's always like I want to go
back to my twenties. I'm like, I do not.
Speaker 1 (46:52):
Like the only reason I would go back is to
do some things differently.
Speaker 2 (46:56):
Oh I would do that, but or maybe I would
make different choices. But if you made different choices, you
wouldn't be where you are today. That is true too, No,
it's really I don't really I can't think about that.
Like everything that I've done in my life and every
relationship I've been in, whether it was great or terrible,
it has truly made me who I am today. Those
experiences so like they were worth it. Yeah, I don't know,
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And I think the version of myself that I am
now I like so much more than any of my
past versions.
Speaker 1 (47:27):
Yeah, so it's funny, it's it's it's contentment without it
being complacent, because I do think it takes a long
time in life to really figure out who you are
and what you like and what you'll stand for and
what you won't stand for. And that doesn't mean that
you get it right every day either, because there are
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challenges that you can't anticipate. And but I know that
the version of myself now, I'm more articulate and open
and vulnerable. And I used to just like run from
problems and now I mean I'm much calculated is not
the word. I'm much more patient with myself when I
have a problem, and I can, I like give myself
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the time to like think about it and look at
it and feel it and deal with it, and then
rather than running from it, which was my mo before,
I address it right. But what I'm but I've also
learned that I'm not good at addressing a problem right
off the bat, Like I have to sit with things
so that I can understand why I'm feeling the way
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that I'm feeling and look at it, and I try
I try to even look at things from other people's
perspectives too, when the problem involves other people. And and
maybe that has you know, maybe that came with moving
into artist management, because it's such a different thing. Like, yes,
my job has very specific things, but I'm also like
a shrink and I have to think about you know,
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I don't manage a brand of toothpaste. I manage human
beings that have the same sort of issues that I do, right,
and sometimes very different issues that you know. I don't
have children. I'm not an expert on shit like that.
But anyway, I think it's just age and time bringing
you to a place where I think every day you
become more and more and more content and accepting with
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who you are, or more accepting of who you are.
And it's like you also recognize the things that you'll
probably never be, you know, and accepting that. And that's fine.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
When you do that with yourself, you can do it
with others too. And I think so kind of the
energy of right now is just really kind of getting
honest with ourselves about the perfectionist stuff, our daily routines,
all of that, and then on the bigger scale of
the pissy stuff, breaking down illusions and allowing space for
each human to be who they are and not letting
(49:52):
it necessarily be a negative. Like it's kind of going
into that more humanitarian like I want to help everyone,
and also like only if they want it, like rightly
if people like just not forcing ourselves on anyone and
forcing our projections, I guess is like on anyone and
accepting people as they are, loving people and loving ourselves.
(50:15):
You know, it always goes back to the same stuff
if you really think about it, but the ways that
we get there are kind of different, and right now,
I think a lot of the messages are around daily routines, habits,
not going too far into perfectionism, but also like doing
things well and putting having some sort of esteem come
from the things you're doing. And then always with the
(50:36):
pissy stuff, it's just like fitting, like being yourself and
then letting others be themselves too, and loving them despite
their own humanity, and loving yourself despite your own humanity,
like all of that all.
Speaker 1 (50:50):
We need is love and look, and it's it's also
important to remember it ain't always about you, you know
what I mean, It's just not so I think then
it it makes it a lot easier, Yeah, like, you know,
like someone might yell at you or be rude or
like do something that hurts you and often has nothing
(51:10):
to do with you. Oh god, it has to do
with them. And it's really hard to it's really hard
to like sit back and understand that sometimes because we
want to defend ourselves and our egos, step in and
all of those things. But when someone does hurt you
or something like that happens, like, rather than try to
get retribution and take it out on them, just love
(51:32):
on yourself a little bit more because it's it is
the most punk rock thing that you could do in
the moment, rather than let whatever they did or said
about you be true. Because the truth is is they
were going through something and you just happened to you.
You were a casualty in whatever was going on in
their life. Yeah, and it goes both. It goes towards
(51:53):
love too. You know. It's like the more that you
can love on yourself, the more that you're going to
be able to accept life when it's coming your way too.
Speaker 2 (52:01):
So sure you're saying that with a sign behind you,
this is love yourself.
Speaker 1 (52:05):
Love yourself.
Speaker 2 (52:06):
Forgot about we got this?
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Well?
Speaker 2 (52:08):
I love breaking these down with you, because I do
think these are way more tangible as far as the
astrology conversation goes, and kind of themes you guys can
work with the energy of what's happening right now and
like maybe just paying attention like I like just the noticer,
you know, like putting your noticer on, and if some
of these things are things that you're bumping up against,
(52:29):
Like I just know how it works in my life.
It's always when I'm when Marv is telling me the themes,
I'm like, well that makes sense that this is happening
or you know, it's just like once you actually know
the energy, you can kind of apply it to whatever
you're going through and you know, take what you like
and leave the rest. If it works for you, great.
If you want to reach out to us, you know,
always email us at the Edge at velvet sedge dot com.
(52:49):
I'm on Instagram at Velvet's Edge Chip.
Speaker 1 (52:52):
I'm at chipdorsh. It's chip d o r SCCH.
Speaker 2 (52:57):
And you can follow us on our pot Instagram now
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We're on YouTube at Velvet Edge. We're a whole around
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(53:20):
review all the things, we would really appreciate it. And
good got us a mouthful. As you guys go into
your weekend and you're living on the edge, I hope
you always remember too
Speaker 1 (53:31):
A casual bye bye
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