July 2, 2025 • 45 mins
Kelly sits down with astrologer Marvin Wilkerson to talk about the deeply emotional waters of the Cancer New Moon—how this lunation calls us to reflect on our inner world, self-image, and the stories we carry from childhood. But halfway through the episode, theory turns into practice as an unresolved issue from a past conversation resurfaces between Kelly and Marv—showing the exact astrology he was explaining in real time.
From soul lessons to soft shells, and how our ego can still run the show, this episode is both a cosmic download and a raw, real-time reminder that astrology isn’t just something we study—it’s something we live.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
Conversations on life, style, beauty, and relationships. It's The Velvet's
Edge Podcast with Kelly Henderson.
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well, it's cancer season, mar I'm feeling all good.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
You're feeling all good?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Huh, yeah, I'm feeling great. Actually, well, this.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Has been a hell of a new moon. I can
tell you that since the new moon, which would have
been five and what is this the first? So we've
been last six seven days, right, A lot of emotions,
a lot of stuff going on with the energy of
this new moon. Very powerful.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What do you mean by that? Because I literally do
not feel it. I feel great, Like I'm truly.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Like, Well, that doesn't mean the whole world feels great, I.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Know, but I'm just saying to tell me about it
because I usually feel a sense of what the collective
is feeling, like I typically that's what I feel. And
right now you just said it's been a very emotional
and I'm like, wait, what it has because I've just
been great? Is it because I'm so used to this
kind of energy? Probably okay, and everyone else is like
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now living with all the emotional feels that I feel
all the time.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, So it's like you get a break for a week, right,
or two.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
That's kind of what I was just thinking. I'm like,
welcome to my world. Moa hahahaha. All right, well tell
me about what's going on since I'm just in La
la land apparently.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Well, I mean, the big deal and just kind of
breathed through. Cancer in general is that cancer is emotionally
adept because it's trying to bring together the masculine and
the feminine, okay, which is the conscious and unconscious, and
so this is a meeting of where the soul comes together.
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When cancer learns how to control emotions, that's how they
learn how to just operate through feelings, which is how
the intuitive side comes through, and then they're not so emotional.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Is that why the cancer symbol is almost it looks
a little bit like Yin and yong energy symbol.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well, it's actually the crab I mean, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Know what I'm talking about on the zodiac likes.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
To go out and explore. But at the first sign
of trouble, what do they do. They scatter back to
the home, right, scatter back into their shell. So it's
like you go into a group, you feel the whole group,
and if you don't feel good, you start having body twitches, right,
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they tell you, Hey, it's time to go back home,
let me get out of this situation or whatever. It's
because so you're so open to people because you initiate
an emerging process. It's the difficulty is that you initiate
feelings through relationships. So this is how you learn and
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grow how to handle emotions and become one with yourself
and be able to overcome any difficulties that the external
world has to offer because you stay centered. You haven't
read it yet, but if you read my book, you'll
find that I've talked about sole fragmentation. Oh yes, And
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when you fragment, you leave the sense of who you
truly authentically are. Well, every time you get emotional, that's
what you're doing. You're fragment from your your unique, authentic self.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
What do you mean when you get emotional, What do
you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, you're leaving center, you're leaving balance, you're leaving peace
and harmony, which is who you truly are. And any
time you leave that, you fragment. Now, you fragment from
the time you were born. And you can fragment a
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little bit and then bring it back together. But there's
sometimes fragmentation can take on a whole life of its own,
and it fringes upon your character, who you are, how
you respond to life, and so on. So that's why
I do sole fragmentation work to help people come back
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into alignment with a part of them that has fragmented
that they don't yet know that that fragmented part is
a part of them that's missing, and then they can
incorporate it back in when they asked it. To take
it back in and then utilize it in a write
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in proper fashion and protect it all right. See, every
time you go into your oversensitivities and oh, you're not
protecting you, you're fragmenting by getting emotional. Some people get hysterical. Yeah,
and so you're losing a sense of yourself. And that's
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the difficulty that cancer lives with because it's your job
to become safe and secure within you. There is no threat.
How many times you heard me say that there are
no fears, they're just threats, which there are no threats
that can hurt you. So you've got to become comfortable
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with that as a cancer you see, we've moved from
aries Taurus gemini and cancer. Cancer is the first place
of home right, And where's the real home. It's within you?
And so you know, this five degree new moon is
about maturation and immature judgment. When do we make immature judgment?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
When?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
When when we fragment? Yeah, we're not centered, and so
it's knowing when to speak and that it's calculating outcomes
before speaking and acting or recklessly jumping into something. So
the line that I really liked about it is instant
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analysis and rapid decision making. That's this new moon that's
going to be going on for another seven days. So
how do we make instant decisions?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
How do we make them? You just go with what
your gut initially said, I don't have no where are
you going with this? That's not that far off, tweetie, Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It's feelings. You go with feelings. Feelings you make an
instant decisions because feelings are moment to moment.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You see, this is the debate we got into.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
You get them, if you got if you get emotional,
and then you go up into your head and start
trying to think, that's not an instant analysis and rapid decision, right,
But if you go with your feelings, your gut, you
can make an instant decision on what this feels like.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I still when I hear you talk about this, and
we got into a big debate about it the last
podcast he did, But there is that that.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Was a big debate.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I'm okay, we got into a conversation. Yes, it's fine,
we say this differently, and I think I understand what
you're saying now. But I still when I'm hearing you
say this right now, to go with your feeling, there
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is a part of me that goes. But there's there's
more layers to this, and I'm trying to combine what
I know about psychology.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And pro psychology psychologists. I will not the difference.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I will, I can't. I use it all. I like
it all. I like the combination of it all. And
I think you're talking about it from completely this spiritual perspective.
And I've just had experiences even in this life where
I think other people, I think this is my hold up.
I think other people could say, well, I just went
with my feeling or my gut, whatever you want to
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call it, and it's caused these big like flare ups,
or it's not necessarily a productive move, like the way
they're moving is not necessarily productive. It's also not always
accurate to the situation.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
They take the feeling and turn it into an emotion,
which becomes a fear.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Right, Okay, let me give you an example and then
you can help me understand. Mom. So last night I
was at a dinner with two girlfriends and one has
been kind of dating this guy. They've gone on you know,
seven dates, let's say, and he had promised they would
see each other this week, and then he texted to say,
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I can't this week, what you know, moving it to
next week or whatever. And it was the second time
he's kind of not followed through on something he said,
and so her immediate reaction was anger and very much
like wanting to just get out of this because she
doesn't trust him anymore. And we talked it through and
then I was able to help her get to a
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place of communicating some things that she got way more
clarity about the situation. And now they're in a completely
different place. So do you see where I'm getting a
little held up with, Like, if we want to get
that clarified, what is anger an emotion?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
No, it's a self protection mechanism, because now it's a
boundary definer. That's why you get angry because you're defining.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Boundaries, right, because your boundary had been crossed because.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
With no, I don't give a dang what's happened. But
you we use anger to protect ourselves, okay, because we
have an emotion that wells up in us, and then
we got to use the anger to protect us. What
is she doing? She gets angry because he is yet
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again let her down, and now she's feeling vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And rejected I think, and rejected.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Then you help her to talk it through objectively, which
is a great cancer thing to do, Thank you. So
now she objectifies it. That says, oh, okay, Well, I
can be aware of this and how it made me feel,
but I don't have to get upset with it. I
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can just make a decision on the feeling that it
gives me that he's this is the second time he's
not following through.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So what's the feeling that you would say?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Though?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Because that's where I think I get a little held
up and confused.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Is like, well, the feeling was that she was told
that she couldn't he couldn't see her. How did she
feel she felt rejected.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
But rejected the emotion right?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Right? So does that but when you are centered and
you're and you're secure within yourself, how would you respond.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well, what we ended up getting to is I think
if you're centered within yourself, you just are able to
say that's not okay with me, here's what I need,
and you communicate.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
But I think, well, very good. Now you see the
difference between a centered, secure person and an emotional person
that has fear and that has the anxiety of what
maybe maybe could be that now this emotionalism is taking
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who are out of the context of herself.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Sure, and she was labeling it all these things that
it did not know that they were true. It was
all her own story in her own head, based on
her own life experiences and all these insecurities. Okay, I
got all that. What I'm getting stuck on, though, is
you say to operate from that feeling. And I'm like,
if she had reacted from her first her feeling, which
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is going into those emotions or whatever, she would have
blown that shut up and been like, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And she did blow it up.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
No, she didn't. She took a beat.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Emotional because you had to talk her down.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Correct, Okay, we are just not speaking the same language
on this and I keep trying.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
We are.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
No, we're not, because you're not hearing what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Exactly what you were saying.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I don't understand because you say to go with your
feeling and what I said.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
To you the last with the feeling, and what is
a feeling? What is a secure person when they feel something?
How do they respond?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, I'll tell you what I do, and that's.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
All I want this because I'm trying. You're not trying
to understand.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
No, I'm trying to feel it.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Then you say, well, I'm secure and nothing me. He
doesn't want to see me, and that's okay, And then
you can move on, or you can work it through
by communicating, Look, this is not acceptable to me, right,
or you can communicate in a number of things. But
now you don't get emotional no.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And that but okay, yes, but I think what you're
saying is so almost like inhumane. We are these beings
full of emotion, and emotions are important because they're communicating
things to us. I think they're communicating the things to
us that either are broken still in us, like with
my friends, she had these wounds of rejection and all
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these whats.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Know, what you're saying they're communicating what is broken in us.
That tells you everything you need to know. You're broken,
you're insecure, you're not in balance, you're not in harmony.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I know.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But what I'm hearing you say, let me just say
it this way. When when you say the thing about feeling,
and I'm confused because I feel like you're almost talking
out of two sides of your mouth on this one.
It's like, operate from operate from the feeling. But then
you say, but don't operate from a place of emotion
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that the feeling is producing. And so I'm saying, but
that's confusing to me because the feeling.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Producing the emotion, Your brain, your ego structure, is producing
the emotion. You're thinking produces the emotion because you are
rejecting the experience from an external voice, that becomes an emotion.
The feeling didn't make anything happen. You put it into
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your brain, your thinking mind, your ego structure, your personality,
your character turned it into the harangutan that's becalled man.
It uses anger because it needs to protect itself because
it's feeling. It's feeling vulnerable. When you get into a
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place of invulnerability to the external world, you become centered,
you stay in your authentic self. Now, you can't tell
me you don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I think it's the way we're saying it. Maybe we're
saying the same thing, but I get confused with what
you say about You say, go with the feeling, make
the decision based on the feeling, and my and I'm like,
but wait a second, because if everybody, just if everybody
just starts going around this world, like if my friend
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yesterday had gone with her first feeling and not had
someone say, hey, wait a second, what is this telling you?
Why is that coming up? Like what do you think
is actually going on here? All it was is to
me was showing her where she needed boundaries, like you said,
like where some things had been crossed. That's why the
anger was coming up. And then she was able to
go into what the stories that were coming up for
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her because of those feeling, like what those emotions were
actually saying. And I was like, wait a second, I
don't think that's what he's saying at all. That's something
in you. And so then she responded with the you
know this from the secure place or whatever, And that's
all I'm saying, is I think feelings and emotions are
important in our journey because they show us. Yeah, they
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show us the things that either the universe is trying
to mirror to us, or the stories that are still
stuck in the in our brain, all of those kind
of things. But if everyone went around just acting on
feeling all the time, like you're saying, just go with
the quick feeling and do your response that way, to me,
that's a shit show because that doesn't include the moment
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of like wait, kind of going into the secure place.
Do you see what I'm getting confused about with what you're.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Saying, Yeah, because you're not allowing the fact that of feeling.
I mean, you can have good emotions, you can have love, joy,
peace and tranquility, but when you get into anger, that's
a whole separate issue. That's a whole part of anger
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that we don't need to have. Okay, So you keep
thinking feelings is causing our reaction. Feelings don't cause you
to do nothing your brain, You are thinking your ego
causes you to do an emotional response out of center,
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out of anger, to protect yourself because you're insecure. And
of course we're learning that we need to have those
things because it helps us to understand where we're insecure.
So we certainly utilize emotions. This is a gift of
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for humanity is to have emotions, because this is how
we learn, this is how we grow. But we have
to start recognizing why the emotions are occurring. This is
why psychoanalysis can sometimes be beneficial for people, because they
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have to displore the emotions and what their brain told
them about why that is emotional is causing the insecurities
and the imbalance of the self.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I mean, yeah, that's what. That's all that I'm saying.
I said that too, but that's not but that's not
I think the thing I'm getting stuck on. I don't know.
Let's just keep going because I don't I truly like
I think. I feel like probably the listeners are like
hearing both sides of us, and they're screaming at the
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podcast right now, going, oh if they could just say,
you know, like we're missing each other somehow a little bit,
and I cannot figure out how to fully communicate what
I'm trying to say in a way that like, did
you get.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
The email where I sent you the difference between feelings
and emotions? Yes, Okay, HOCKI cannot be explained any better
than that.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Okay, I just think there's more to it.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
All these people can say all this shit, but I
feel like it's missing something in the explanations a little bit.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
So that's right, But you don't have to see you
just you just exhibited it. I feel that I'm not
getting it. So does that mean you're angry?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, I am angry. Actually, I'm frustrated right now. I'm
frustrated because I don't feel heard and that's my biggest,
my biggest issue. But it's fine.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I mean, I'm able to have disagreements and accept that
other people have a different thoughts and ideas.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I understand that, and we can totally agree to disagree.
That would be fine. But I feel I feel more
like what I just want. I'm like, wait, I don't
this doesn't make sense to me, and I want us
to get to a point of clarity. Is what I've
been trying to say is like let's go, oh that
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moment and we're not able to get there, and that's okay,
Like we can just yeah, we can just say like
we can't. There's something in this that we have a
disconnect on.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Well, and and this brings it right on end to
what this pattern of this new moon has been all about,
because it's Neptune squaring the new moon, which means that
it squares Jupiter, the Moon, the Sun, and mercury. So
this was a perfect example of what's been going on
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for people for the last week and is going to
continue for another week. So there you go. It's perfect
because Neptune causes confusion, it causes an identity crisis, it
causes problems of miscommunications because you're on one wavelength, Neptune
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distorts things. So what I would submit to you is
that if you look at it from this new moon side, yes,
we're having a discussion, and as you're trying to understand
something and I'm trying to explain it, and it's still
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we're still not having involved the pieces come together. But
this doesn't mean you get angry, This doesn't mean you
have to get out of your ciner. This just means
you recognize there's a difference between my definition and your definition. Okay,
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I can go with that, which I can say, okay,
well how's another way to explain it? And you can say, well,
how's another way to understand it? Now? We've got a
meeting of the mind. We've got an objectification, which is
what two people are objectifying each other. That does not
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require a big emotional Oh rangutang, But I mean you
know so as we move on, though, the tension is
an internal conflict between action and feeling. Feeling is not action,
that's an emotion.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But you said, go with your feeling. That is right.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
You feel moment to moment. That's how you take the
world in is moment to moment feelings. It doesn't have
to be internal. The moment you internalize it and send
it to the mind, it becomes an emotion. It can
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be a good emotion, or it can be an anger emotion,
or an anxiety emotion, or a fearful emotion. It can
be any number of things. Because the mind is trying
to create the ego structure is trying to make sure
that you aren't wrong. So you have to understand that
the ego is what you're using when you get angry,
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when you emotionalism, when you get to the to the
place of you're operating outside of your center. M ego,
that's his job. Yeah, the ego will make others wrong
and you right. Okay, All right.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
To eat his own.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And this is what we're this is the discussion of
this new mood. Yeah, I guarantee you we're not. We're
not the only ones on that's having this kind of discussion.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I've just I've had two of these with my wife,
and so one of them, she was just trying to
tell me something and I went into my natural place
of trying to give advice, and she said, don't give
me no advice, just listen to me. And I said, okay,
that's fair enough. I shut the hell up, smart man,
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because I'm secure enough to shut the hell up. If
I wasn't secure enough, then how would I respond?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
You would probably have yelled back and right gotten into
a fight.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
That's the difference, Kelly, right there. That's all you have
to do is just understand that.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
These are not the things I don't understand. That's what
I'm getting frustrated about, is you're not understanding what I
the part that I'm actually asking the question about. And
that's what I don't know how to say differently. So
that's what I'm saying, is I actually get what you're
saying about this whole that whole thing about when you're
acting out of like when it turns into an emotion
and it goes in your brain and you're assigning it
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all these things. Like I do understand that, and I
do actually think I understand about not operating from ego
and not attaching to anything that's even happening and being
staying curious like that is how I live my life.
That's exactly what I was doing last night with my
friend was even like helping her get to that place,
to not respond from that emotional state that she was
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in and to really like ask herself what the truth
was and what was really coming up, and to operate
from her secure place and ask herself what was was
and wasn't working for her and all that stuff. But
like I get held up in this specific conversation because
when you say to me to go with the feeling
and to take your action from that feeling, that's where
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I get held up because if someone like my friend,
for instance, if she had gone with her feeling, the
first feeling where she felt rejected and all, you know,
like then she started assigning all those emotions to it,
that wouldn't have given her the result that she got
from taking a beat getting clear on what was going
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on not letting emotions drive the bus and then responding
from a secure place versus an emotional place. And so
I think what I don't understand is why do we
keep saying, like, where is it that you go? Okay,
make the decision from your feeling, not your emotion, because
I'm going but wait, isn't the feeling usually turned into
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the emotion or like, isn't that.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
It becomes a threat?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
But if we all are your context, why that is
perfect as well? From your context is because that feeling
showed her how she was insecure about the relationship, and
it becomes an emotional threat. Right, So the feeling turned
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into however it got turned into, it became an emotional threat,
and so by talking it out objectively with you, she
could come back to center and realized that she didn't
need to respond emotionally with anger and so forth right, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
So are you saying if you can operate from just
a feeling place without attaching emotions to it, that bring
you into your head or your ego or any of that.
But you also say feelings change from minute to minute,
And that's what I'm saying. If people are operating from
the feelings that are changing from minute to minute. What
kind of fucking chaos are we going to be living in?
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Because do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Would you call that a chaos? Every moment is a feeling,
that's how you take it in.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
This is the part where I don't feel like I
can completely communicate in a way that like we're on
the same playing field of what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
We're communicating. You're just you're you're wanting to turn a
feelings into something more than what they are. Okay, feelings
or feelings.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I don't know that I want to turn them into that.
I think I'm confused on why you would say to
make your decisions from your feelings.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Because change moment. Because because you read feelings and if
you're feeling comfortable, secure, you can accept what is. When
you don't accept what is, the ego then takes control. Well,
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that comes from every enlightened being there's ever been. Yeah,
let reality be reality? How do you let reality be reality?
When you get emotional about it, You're not letting reality
be reality. But when you can look at it and
see it and then understand how it moves you. Because
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emotions move you. You can say, well, you know, I
don't necessarily need to respond like that, and then you
work it through. Okay, but you've got to battle. This
is the whole two concept. You have to battle the
ego when it wants to battle or fight, you have
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to battle it. You have to choose to respond to that. No,
I'm saying that as the formula to understand how to
accept life on life's terms. Yeah, you're right when you
say we need emotions. I don't think that you're in
complete understanding when you think that feelings would cause a orangutang.
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Within the human concept, feelings don't cause anything. Feelings are
just feelings. And you get feelings from all of your programming,
all of your conditioning, all of your past lives, all
of your experiences, and the ego says, I don't want
to feel that again. And when it comes up again
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five years, ten years, two months, three minutes, ten minutes,
it's going to respond in a self protected mode because
you have not worked it through. But when you worked
it through, like you did with your friend, you come
back down to center and say, all right, I feel better.
I talked it out. That's how you neutralize emotions that
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are negatives is talking it out. And you can talk
it out within yourself or you can talk it out
with somebody else, but it needs to be talked out.
And I think that that's where if we can come
through an acceptance to that together, because that's what you're saying,
and that's what you did.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Everything you're saying is actually what I agree with. I
think it's like I'm trying to not confuse the listeners,
and I know as I'm confused, that's just the truth.
Like I know my listeners and I know that there
are certain things. If I'm confused, they are too, So
I'm trying to like talk through so we can all
understand it. And I think you and I are just
(33:14):
saying these things in different ways, and well, say.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
How good that can be for your listeners?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Sure of course I totally agree.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
So perfect, Yeah, cool, you're not angry. I'm not angry.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
No, I'm not. I never was like angry at you.
I'm just I was more frustrated because I'm like, how
can I say this? There's a big of course, and
that's a big thing in me is always needing to
feel like I want to feel understood, like the thing
I said, you go, oh yeah, okay, I see what
you're saying. That is important to me, and at for
sure I attach emotions to it. I can one hundred
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percent see that in myself. It's part of my chiron.
If we're going to keep it on astrology, all of
that really like is a driving force for me that
I have to.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
And I think that this is a perfect conversation for
what's going on for a whole lot of people.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Right with the neptune.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
This is a big, big deal that neptune is squaring
in a cancer stellium. So we have had a cancer discussion.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, because I'm a cancer. I'm not a cancer. Oh
you're saying this is.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
How cancer. Yeah, And with a neptune factor there, it's
going to bring in confusion and to be able to
talk through the confusion like we've just done. Yeah, this
is absolutely perfect.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Just gave the example of it, right.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I mean, so this has been the new moon. This
is what people have been going through for the last week,
and it's what they're going to go through for another
week until we get to the full moon.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Is in Capricorn, which is totally different energy. It's like
exactly the opposite, right.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Well, yeah, because Capricorn is much more it's earth.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It's not water, right.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Water is emotion and Capricorn is earthy. And so what
is that polarity is saying you've got to have balance.
You can't see Capricorn is all in her head. You know,
they have a hard time feeling. Right. When I get
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clients in, it's all Capricorn. I got to beat them
up because they won't get into their heart. They won't
get into their feelings. How does it feel? I don't
know where do you feel it in my head? You
don't feel nothing in your head your numb skull. So
(35:52):
that's the difference between Capricorn and this full moon. I mean,
look at what I what the way I was, what
I've got or self sufficiency, and this new moon is
going to is uh, this full moon is really going
to be excellent. We've got a lot of good positive
stuff coming out of this full moon. So in about
(36:14):
another week there's going to be a lot of ability
to use any kind of emotions or anything like that
to construct positive reality and construct positive dreams and manifest creativity.
(36:36):
Because it's you know, I won't say I mean it's
a quintile. So but any rate, these are gifts. So
we've got gifts coming to the full moon, and so
I think that that's a that's a big deal. The
only thing it's still has a uronicis can judge Venus,
(37:03):
which means there could be some relationship changes and you're
going to have a sense of having freedom, intellectual freedom,
So there could be disruptions and finances, could be new
ways of connecting new people through all the social medias
and stuff. But there's going to be a strong need
(37:24):
for an authentic, truthful expression in relationships. So the full
moon is going to be a good two weeks to
make that adjustment after we've seen what this new moon
has caused a lot of chaos and confusion around our
(37:44):
feelings and around the whole security and self image, which
is all cancer. And so when we get into the
also the other thing is this neptune is going to
square Jupiter. There could be some tension between idealism and
intuition and emotional beliefs. So it's going to give us
(38:08):
a spiritual opportunity to kind of understand things and get
out of confusion and sort through sole truth from inherited
emotional narratives. That is huge. Think about what I just said,
the need to sort through sole truth from inherited emotional narratives.
(38:33):
So letting, programming, programming, and the epigenetics of our family
are heritage. So that's going to be a positive and
it'll be good to go through that process to kind
of organize these feelings and emotions so that we can
(38:55):
use them constructively on what we do want and what
we do instead of battling. And that's what the full
moon does.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Hey, well maybe by next month you and I will
see out of eye on this.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, and next month you'll probably understand what I'm.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Saying, or you'll understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I understand you, Kelly, trust me.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I know. But then we got the new moon and
Leo on the twenty fourth of this month. Okay, is
going to be a big deal because Pluto will now
oppose the new Moon, and that's going to bring up
some serious challenges. Wow, bring up power struggles, blocked emotions,
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ego and death, rebirth transformations, hidden forces being exposed, fear
of rejection, fear of being seen or suppressed, desires for approval.
So we've got to move into what calls sovereign power.
Sovereign power is when you believe when your spiritual is
(40:09):
your spiritual self is stronger than your ego self. Yeah.
And so next Nick that the new moon in Leo
is going to be rough.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Oof?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
What do you mean rough? Just the all the Pluto and.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Pluto in other words, we've got to face some challenges
that has been hidden or stuffed down, or suppressed or repressed.
This is how Pluto transforms us because they don't work
for us. It clears out our baggage. Have you ever
had some baggage cleared out in your life, Kelly.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yes, I'm very familiar with Pluto. Pluto and I go there.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
So that's what I mean is going to be rough,
But it doesn't have to be rough. It is just
you have to accept the fat to Pluto is transformation
into regeneration and renewal.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Death and rebirth is the perfect way to say death
and rebirth.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, And I mean, you know the death of Pluto
is very painful because we learn through pain, and when
we learn through pain, we don't forget it, right. And
then the opposite side of Pluto is heaven and rebuilds
us greater than we ever was before. So yes, it's
(41:33):
going to be some power struggles that I say is
going to be rough, but it's also going to be enlightening,
so it'll be good.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
All right. Well, I mean I think it like if
we're talking about on a collective level, it's been an
interesting couple months, and I feel very oddly removed from it,
which is so not like me. But I think we're
all watching just these battles.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
I think you've been that's really business and when you
stay busy, you don't have time for anything else.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Well it's that. But you know what else I think
it is is I think that like if we're talking
about politics and media and all that, like, I think
I've just gotten to the point of seeing it so
clearly of how much everything is meant to strike emotion
within us. It's supposed it's like calling to just jack
us up in that way, like let me incite fear,
(42:31):
let me hit their anger, let me get them work.
And it's like I don't want to play that game
with y'all. Whoever y'all is, you know what I mean,
Like I don't want to do that anymore, and I
don't want to turn over my emotional authority to something
that doesn't give a shit about me personally. Yeah, And
I think so it's like, we'll see what happens. It's
all going to play out as it's going to play out,
(42:53):
like you always.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Say, like you do about it. So the more you
stay away from in other words, there's there's a new
thing coming out. There's a book coming out, and I
have a client that's working on that, and it's called
de emphasizing the dopa mine.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Oh yeah, the dopamine.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah. And so what you're doing is you're clearing out
that that dopa mine of reading the news, staying involved,
being addicted to the news, being addicted to what these
stupid politicians do, all of that out right, Well, then
(43:34):
you just operate in a place of joy. I mean,
your natural being is love, joy, happiness, and tranquility. That's
who you are naturally love. Yeah, And wouldn't that be
a beautiful place to be all the time?
Speaker 2 (43:52):
It sure would. It's how I started this podcast.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
You said that I saw Mary Poppin's head.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
On your Sunday goadye meeting at sure would yep?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
She would? Well, we we I think gave the people
the exact example of the energy that's going on. So
if you guys are feeling.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
This different, it's so perfect. Imagine if you.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Guys are feeling this on a level in your own life.
For singing on the collective, you can always email me
at Kelly at velvetz edge dot com, but you can
also hit Marv up at is it Marvin.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Com.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, let us know what you think about this little
debate Marvin I just had or this misunderstanding, whatever you
want to call it. Like, I am curious what if
I'm making sense to people, if Marv is making sense
to people, what are we missing each other on help
us get through this neptune energy. And then if people
want to do a personal session with you, Marv, where
can they find you for that? Yeah, just email you
(45:04):
or you can go check out his website. It's astramarv
dot com. As always, I'll put that in the description
of this podcast for you guys, and we'll be back
next month. We'll see if we have more clarity with
each other to bring to the people. But I do
feel like it was kind of actually perfect now that
I understand all the neptune energy happening as well.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Ah huh uh huh.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
All right, Thank you guys so much for listening, and
thanks Marv for being here. Thanks for listening to.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
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Speaker 2 (00:11):
Well, it's cancer season, mar I'm feeling all good.
Speaker 3 (00:17):
You're feeling all good?
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Huh, yeah, I'm feeling great. Actually, well, this.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Has been a hell of a new moon. I can
tell you that since the new moon, which would have
been five and what is this the first? So we've
been last six seven days, right, A lot of emotions,
a lot of stuff going on with the energy of
this new moon. Very powerful.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
What do you mean by that? Because I literally do
not feel it. I feel great, Like I'm truly.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Like, Well, that doesn't mean the whole world feels great, I.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Know, but I'm just saying to tell me about it
because I usually feel a sense of what the collective
is feeling, like I typically that's what I feel. And
right now you just said it's been a very emotional
and I'm like, wait, what it has because I've just
been great? Is it because I'm so used to this
kind of energy? Probably okay, and everyone else is like
(01:14):
now living with all the emotional feels that I feel
all the time.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
Yeah, So it's like you get a break for a week, right,
or two.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
That's kind of what I was just thinking. I'm like,
welcome to my world. Moa hahahaha. All right, well tell
me about what's going on since I'm just in La
la land apparently.
Speaker 3 (01:38):
Well, I mean, the big deal and just kind of
breathed through. Cancer in general is that cancer is emotionally
adept because it's trying to bring together the masculine and
the feminine, okay, which is the conscious and unconscious, and
so this is a meeting of where the soul comes together.
(02:03):
When cancer learns how to control emotions, that's how they
learn how to just operate through feelings, which is how
the intuitive side comes through, and then they're not so emotional.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
Is that why the cancer symbol is almost it looks
a little bit like Yin and yong energy symbol.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Well, it's actually the crab I mean, thank you.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Know what I'm talking about on the zodiac likes.
Speaker 3 (02:33):
To go out and explore. But at the first sign
of trouble, what do they do. They scatter back to
the home, right, scatter back into their shell. So it's
like you go into a group, you feel the whole group,
and if you don't feel good, you start having body twitches, right,
(02:58):
they tell you, Hey, it's time to go back home,
let me get out of this situation or whatever. It's
because so you're so open to people because you initiate
an emerging process. It's the difficulty is that you initiate
feelings through relationships. So this is how you learn and
(03:24):
grow how to handle emotions and become one with yourself
and be able to overcome any difficulties that the external
world has to offer because you stay centered. You haven't
read it yet, but if you read my book, you'll
find that I've talked about sole fragmentation. Oh yes, And
(03:49):
when you fragment, you leave the sense of who you
truly authentically are. Well, every time you get emotional, that's
what you're doing. You're fragment from your your unique, authentic self.
Speaker 2 (04:05):
What do you mean when you get emotional, What do
you mean by that?
Speaker 3 (04:08):
Well, you're leaving center, you're leaving balance, you're leaving peace
and harmony, which is who you truly are. And any
time you leave that, you fragment. Now, you fragment from
the time you were born. And you can fragment a
(04:28):
little bit and then bring it back together. But there's
sometimes fragmentation can take on a whole life of its own,
and it fringes upon your character, who you are, how
you respond to life, and so on. So that's why
I do sole fragmentation work to help people come back
(04:51):
into alignment with a part of them that has fragmented
that they don't yet know that that fragmented part is
a part of them that's missing, and then they can
incorporate it back in when they asked it. To take
it back in and then utilize it in a write
(05:11):
in proper fashion and protect it all right. See, every
time you go into your oversensitivities and oh, you're not
protecting you, you're fragmenting by getting emotional. Some people get hysterical. Yeah,
and so you're losing a sense of yourself. And that's
(05:33):
the difficulty that cancer lives with because it's your job
to become safe and secure within you. There is no threat.
How many times you heard me say that there are
no fears, they're just threats, which there are no threats
that can hurt you. So you've got to become comfortable
(05:54):
with that as a cancer you see, we've moved from
aries Taurus gemini and cancer. Cancer is the first place
of home right, And where's the real home. It's within you?
And so you know, this five degree new moon is
about maturation and immature judgment. When do we make immature judgment?
Speaker 2 (06:18):
When?
Speaker 3 (06:19):
When when we fragment? Yeah, we're not centered, and so
it's knowing when to speak and that it's calculating outcomes
before speaking and acting or recklessly jumping into something. So
the line that I really liked about it is instant
(06:39):
analysis and rapid decision making. That's this new moon that's
going to be going on for another seven days. So
how do we make instant decisions?
Speaker 2 (06:53):
How do we make them? You just go with what
your gut initially said, I don't have no where are
you going with this? That's not that far off, tweetie, Okay.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
It's feelings. You go with feelings. Feelings you make an
instant decisions because feelings are moment to moment.
Speaker 2 (07:13):
You see, this is the debate we got into.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
You get them, if you got if you get emotional,
and then you go up into your head and start
trying to think, that's not an instant analysis and rapid decision, right,
But if you go with your feelings, your gut, you
can make an instant decision on what this feels like.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
I still when I hear you talk about this, and
we got into a big debate about it the last
podcast he did, But there is that that.
Speaker 3 (07:46):
Was a big debate.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
I'm okay, we got into a conversation. Yes, it's fine,
we say this differently, and I think I understand what
you're saying now. But I still when I'm hearing you
say this right now, to go with your feeling, there
(08:08):
is a part of me that goes. But there's there's
more layers to this, and I'm trying to combine what
I know about psychology.
Speaker 3 (08:19):
And pro psychology psychologists. I will not the difference.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I will, I can't. I use it all. I like
it all. I like the combination of it all. And
I think you're talking about it from completely this spiritual perspective.
And I've just had experiences even in this life where
I think other people, I think this is my hold up.
I think other people could say, well, I just went
with my feeling or my gut, whatever you want to
(08:46):
call it, and it's caused these big like flare ups,
or it's not necessarily a productive move, like the way
they're moving is not necessarily productive. It's also not always
accurate to the situation.
Speaker 3 (09:02):
They take the feeling and turn it into an emotion,
which becomes a fear.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
Right, Okay, let me give you an example and then
you can help me understand. Mom. So last night I
was at a dinner with two girlfriends and one has
been kind of dating this guy. They've gone on you know,
seven dates, let's say, and he had promised they would
see each other this week, and then he texted to say,
(09:30):
I can't this week, what you know, moving it to
next week or whatever. And it was the second time
he's kind of not followed through on something he said,
and so her immediate reaction was anger and very much
like wanting to just get out of this because she
doesn't trust him anymore. And we talked it through and
then I was able to help her get to a
(09:53):
place of communicating some things that she got way more
clarity about the situation. And now they're in a completely
different place. So do you see where I'm getting a
little held up with, Like, if we want to get
that clarified, what is anger an emotion?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
No, it's a self protection mechanism, because now it's a
boundary definer. That's why you get angry because you're defining.
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Boundaries, right, because your boundary had been crossed because.
Speaker 3 (10:23):
With no, I don't give a dang what's happened. But
you we use anger to protect ourselves, okay, because we
have an emotion that wells up in us, and then
we got to use the anger to protect us. What
is she doing? She gets angry because he is yet
(10:48):
again let her down, and now she's feeling vulnerable.
Speaker 2 (10:54):
And rejected I think, and rejected.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Then you help her to talk it through objectively, which
is a great cancer thing to do, Thank you. So
now she objectifies it. That says, oh, okay, Well, I
can be aware of this and how it made me feel,
but I don't have to get upset with it. I
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can just make a decision on the feeling that it
gives me that he's this is the second time he's
not following through.
Speaker 2 (11:29):
So what's the feeling that you would say?
Speaker 3 (11:31):
Though?
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Because that's where I think I get a little held
up and confused.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Is like, well, the feeling was that she was told
that she couldn't he couldn't see her. How did she
feel she felt rejected.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
But rejected the emotion right?
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Right? So does that but when you are centered and
you're and you're secure within yourself, how would you respond.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Well, what we ended up getting to is I think
if you're centered within yourself, you just are able to
say that's not okay with me, here's what I need,
and you communicate.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
But I think, well, very good. Now you see the
difference between a centered, secure person and an emotional person
that has fear and that has the anxiety of what
maybe maybe could be that now this emotionalism is taking
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who are out of the context of herself.
Speaker 2 (12:38):
Sure, and she was labeling it all these things that
it did not know that they were true. It was
all her own story in her own head, based on
her own life experiences and all these insecurities. Okay, I
got all that. What I'm getting stuck on, though, is
you say to operate from that feeling. And I'm like,
if she had reacted from her first her feeling, which
(13:01):
is going into those emotions or whatever, she would have
blown that shut up and been like, go fuck yourself.
Speaker 3 (13:07):
And she did blow it up.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
No, she didn't. She took a beat.
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Emotional because you had to talk her down.
Speaker 2 (13:18):
Correct, Okay, we are just not speaking the same language
on this and I keep trying.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
We are.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
No, we're not, because you're not hearing what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Exactly what you were saying.
Speaker 2 (13:32):
I don't understand because you say to go with your
feeling and what I said.
Speaker 3 (13:37):
To you the last with the feeling, and what is
a feeling? What is a secure person when they feel something?
How do they respond?
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Well, I'll tell you what I do, and that's.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
All I want this because I'm trying. You're not trying
to understand.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
No, I'm trying to feel it.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Then you say, well, I'm secure and nothing me. He
doesn't want to see me, and that's okay, And then
you can move on, or you can work it through
by communicating, Look, this is not acceptable to me, right,
or you can communicate in a number of things. But
now you don't get emotional no.
Speaker 2 (14:21):
And that but okay, yes, but I think what you're
saying is so almost like inhumane. We are these beings
full of emotion, and emotions are important because they're communicating
things to us. I think they're communicating the things to
us that either are broken still in us, like with
my friends, she had these wounds of rejection and all
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these whats.
Speaker 3 (14:46):
Know, what you're saying they're communicating what is broken in us.
That tells you everything you need to know. You're broken,
you're insecure, you're not in balance, you're not in harmony.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
I know.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
But what I'm hearing you say, let me just say
it this way. When when you say the thing about feeling,
and I'm confused because I feel like you're almost talking
out of two sides of your mouth on this one.
It's like, operate from operate from the feeling. But then
you say, but don't operate from a place of emotion
(15:26):
that the feeling is producing. And so I'm saying, but
that's confusing to me because the feeling.
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Producing the emotion, Your brain, your ego structure, is producing
the emotion. You're thinking produces the emotion because you are
rejecting the experience from an external voice, that becomes an emotion.
The feeling didn't make anything happen. You put it into
(15:57):
your brain, your thinking mind, your ego structure, your personality,
your character turned it into the harangutan that's becalled man.
It uses anger because it needs to protect itself because
it's feeling. It's feeling vulnerable. When you get into a
(16:23):
place of invulnerability to the external world, you become centered,
you stay in your authentic self. Now, you can't tell
me you don't understand that.
Speaker 2 (16:46):
I think it's the way we're saying it. Maybe we're
saying the same thing, but I get confused with what
you say about You say, go with the feeling, make
the decision based on the feeling, and my and I'm like,
but wait a second, because if everybody, just if everybody
just starts going around this world, like if my friend
(17:09):
yesterday had gone with her first feeling and not had
someone say, hey, wait a second, what is this telling you?
Why is that coming up? Like what do you think
is actually going on here? All it was is to
me was showing her where she needed boundaries, like you said,
like where some things had been crossed. That's why the
anger was coming up. And then she was able to
go into what the stories that were coming up for
(17:31):
her because of those feeling, like what those emotions were
actually saying. And I was like, wait a second, I
don't think that's what he's saying at all. That's something
in you. And so then she responded with the you
know this from the secure place or whatever, And that's
all I'm saying, is I think feelings and emotions are
important in our journey because they show us. Yeah, they
(17:53):
show us the things that either the universe is trying
to mirror to us, or the stories that are still
stuck in the in our brain, all of those kind
of things. But if everyone went around just acting on
feeling all the time, like you're saying, just go with
the quick feeling and do your response that way, to me,
that's a shit show because that doesn't include the moment
(18:17):
of like wait, kind of going into the secure place.
Do you see what I'm getting confused about with what you're.
Speaker 3 (18:24):
Saying, Yeah, because you're not allowing the fact that of feeling.
I mean, you can have good emotions, you can have love, joy,
peace and tranquility, but when you get into anger, that's
a whole separate issue. That's a whole part of anger
(18:45):
that we don't need to have. Okay, So you keep
thinking feelings is causing our reaction. Feelings don't cause you
to do nothing your brain, You are thinking your ego
causes you to do an emotional response out of center,
(19:08):
out of anger, to protect yourself because you're insecure. And
of course we're learning that we need to have those
things because it helps us to understand where we're insecure.
So we certainly utilize emotions. This is a gift of
(19:29):
for humanity is to have emotions, because this is how
we learn, this is how we grow. But we have
to start recognizing why the emotions are occurring. This is
why psychoanalysis can sometimes be beneficial for people, because they
(19:50):
have to displore the emotions and what their brain told
them about why that is emotional is causing the insecurities
and the imbalance of the self.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I mean, yeah, that's what. That's all that I'm saying.
I said that too, but that's not but that's not
I think the thing I'm getting stuck on. I don't know.
Let's just keep going because I don't I truly like
I think. I feel like probably the listeners are like
hearing both sides of us, and they're screaming at the
(20:28):
podcast right now, going, oh if they could just say,
you know, like we're missing each other somehow a little bit,
and I cannot figure out how to fully communicate what
I'm trying to say in a way that like, did
you get.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
The email where I sent you the difference between feelings
and emotions? Yes, Okay, HOCKI cannot be explained any better
than that.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Okay, I just think there's more to it.
Speaker 3 (20:54):
I whatever.
Speaker 2 (20:55):
All these people can say all this shit, but I
feel like it's missing something in the explanations a little bit.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
So that's right, But you don't have to see you
just you just exhibited it. I feel that I'm not
getting it. So does that mean you're angry?
Speaker 2 (21:11):
Yeah, I am angry. Actually, I'm frustrated right now. I'm
frustrated because I don't feel heard and that's my biggest,
my biggest issue. But it's fine.
Speaker 3 (21:22):
I mean, I'm able to have disagreements and accept that
other people have a different thoughts and ideas.
Speaker 2 (21:29):
I understand that, and we can totally agree to disagree.
That would be fine. But I feel I feel more
like what I just want. I'm like, wait, I don't
this doesn't make sense to me, and I want us
to get to a point of clarity. Is what I've
been trying to say is like let's go, oh that
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moment and we're not able to get there, and that's okay,
Like we can just yeah, we can just say like
we can't. There's something in this that we have a
disconnect on.
Speaker 3 (21:58):
Well, and and this brings it right on end to
what this pattern of this new moon has been all about,
because it's Neptune squaring the new moon, which means that
it squares Jupiter, the Moon, the Sun, and mercury. So
this was a perfect example of what's been going on
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for people for the last week and is going to
continue for another week. So there you go. It's perfect
because Neptune causes confusion, it causes an identity crisis, it
causes problems of miscommunications because you're on one wavelength, Neptune
(22:46):
distorts things. So what I would submit to you is
that if you look at it from this new moon side, yes,
we're having a discussion, and as you're trying to understand
something and I'm trying to explain it, and it's still
(23:07):
we're still not having involved the pieces come together. But
this doesn't mean you get angry, This doesn't mean you
have to get out of your ciner. This just means
you recognize there's a difference between my definition and your definition. Okay,
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I can go with that, which I can say, okay,
well how's another way to explain it? And you can say, well,
how's another way to understand it? Now? We've got a
meeting of the mind. We've got an objectification, which is
what two people are objectifying each other. That does not
(23:50):
require a big emotional Oh rangutang, But I mean you
know so as we move on, though, the tension is
an internal conflict between action and feeling. Feeling is not action,
that's an emotion.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
But you said, go with your feeling. That is right.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
You feel moment to moment. That's how you take the
world in is moment to moment feelings. It doesn't have
to be internal. The moment you internalize it and send
it to the mind, it becomes an emotion. It can
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be a good emotion, or it can be an anger emotion,
or an anxiety emotion, or a fearful emotion. It can
be any number of things. Because the mind is trying
to create the ego structure is trying to make sure
that you aren't wrong. So you have to understand that
the ego is what you're using when you get angry,
(24:59):
when you emotionalism, when you get to the to the
place of you're operating outside of your center. M ego,
that's his job. Yeah, the ego will make others wrong
and you right. Okay, All right.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
To eat his own.
Speaker 3 (25:23):
And this is what we're this is the discussion of
this new mood. Yeah, I guarantee you we're not. We're
not the only ones on that's having this kind of discussion.
Speaker 2 (25:36):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:37):
I've just I've had two of these with my wife,
and so one of them, she was just trying to
tell me something and I went into my natural place
of trying to give advice, and she said, don't give
me no advice, just listen to me. And I said, okay,
that's fair enough. I shut the hell up, smart man,
(25:58):
because I'm secure enough to shut the hell up. If
I wasn't secure enough, then how would I respond?
Speaker 2 (26:06):
You would probably have yelled back and right gotten into
a fight.
Speaker 4 (26:11):
Right.
Speaker 3 (26:12):
That's the difference, Kelly, right there. That's all you have
to do is just understand that.
Speaker 2 (26:17):
These are not the things I don't understand. That's what
I'm getting frustrated about, is you're not understanding what I
the part that I'm actually asking the question about. And
that's what I don't know how to say differently. So
that's what I'm saying, is I actually get what you're
saying about this whole that whole thing about when you're
acting out of like when it turns into an emotion
and it goes in your brain and you're assigning it
(26:39):
all these things. Like I do understand that, and I
do actually think I understand about not operating from ego
and not attaching to anything that's even happening and being
staying curious like that is how I live my life.
That's exactly what I was doing last night with my
friend was even like helping her get to that place,
to not respond from that emotional state that she was
(27:02):
in and to really like ask herself what the truth
was and what was really coming up, and to operate
from her secure place and ask herself what was was
and wasn't working for her and all that stuff. But
like I get held up in this specific conversation because
when you say to me to go with the feeling
and to take your action from that feeling, that's where
(27:26):
I get held up because if someone like my friend,
for instance, if she had gone with her feeling, the
first feeling where she felt rejected and all, you know,
like then she started assigning all those emotions to it,
that wouldn't have given her the result that she got
from taking a beat getting clear on what was going
(27:47):
on not letting emotions drive the bus and then responding
from a secure place versus an emotional place. And so
I think what I don't understand is why do we
keep saying, like, where is it that you go? Okay,
make the decision from your feeling, not your emotion, because
I'm going but wait, isn't the feeling usually turned into
(28:08):
the emotion or like, isn't that.
Speaker 3 (28:12):
It becomes a threat?
Speaker 2 (28:13):
Okay?
Speaker 3 (28:15):
But if we all are your context, why that is
perfect as well? From your context is because that feeling
showed her how she was insecure about the relationship, and
it becomes an emotional threat. Right, So the feeling turned
(28:41):
into however it got turned into, it became an emotional threat,
and so by talking it out objectively with you, she
could come back to center and realized that she didn't
need to respond emotionally with anger and so forth right, Okay, Okay.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
So are you saying if you can operate from just
a feeling place without attaching emotions to it, that bring
you into your head or your ego or any of that.
But you also say feelings change from minute to minute,
And that's what I'm saying. If people are operating from
the feelings that are changing from minute to minute. What
kind of fucking chaos are we going to be living in?
(29:25):
Because do you see what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (29:26):
Would you call that a chaos? Every moment is a feeling,
that's how you take it in.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
This is the part where I don't feel like I
can completely communicate in a way that like we're on
the same playing field of what I'm trying to say.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
We're communicating. You're just you're you're wanting to turn a
feelings into something more than what they are. Okay, feelings
or feelings.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
I don't know that I want to turn them into that.
I think I'm confused on why you would say to
make your decisions from your feelings.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Because change moment. Because because you read feelings and if
you're feeling comfortable, secure, you can accept what is. When
you don't accept what is, the ego then takes control. Well,
(30:25):
that comes from every enlightened being there's ever been. Yeah,
let reality be reality? How do you let reality be reality?
When you get emotional about it, You're not letting reality
be reality. But when you can look at it and
see it and then understand how it moves you. Because
(30:46):
emotions move you. You can say, well, you know, I
don't necessarily need to respond like that, and then you
work it through. Okay, but you've got to battle. This
is the whole two concept. You have to battle the
ego when it wants to battle or fight, you have
(31:08):
to battle it. You have to choose to respond to that. No,
I'm saying that as the formula to understand how to
accept life on life's terms. Yeah, you're right when you
say we need emotions. I don't think that you're in
complete understanding when you think that feelings would cause a orangutang.
(31:34):
Within the human concept, feelings don't cause anything. Feelings are
just feelings. And you get feelings from all of your programming,
all of your conditioning, all of your past lives, all
of your experiences, and the ego says, I don't want
to feel that again. And when it comes up again
(31:57):
five years, ten years, two months, three minutes, ten minutes,
it's going to respond in a self protected mode because
you have not worked it through. But when you worked
it through, like you did with your friend, you come
back down to center and say, all right, I feel better.
I talked it out. That's how you neutralize emotions that
(32:22):
are negatives is talking it out. And you can talk
it out within yourself or you can talk it out
with somebody else, but it needs to be talked out.
And I think that that's where if we can come
through an acceptance to that together, because that's what you're saying,
and that's what you did.
Speaker 2 (32:52):
Everything you're saying is actually what I agree with. I
think it's like I'm trying to not confuse the listeners,
and I know as I'm confused, that's just the truth.
Like I know my listeners and I know that there
are certain things. If I'm confused, they are too, So
I'm trying to like talk through so we can all
understand it. And I think you and I are just
(33:14):
saying these things in different ways, and well, say.
Speaker 3 (33:19):
How good that can be for your listeners?
Speaker 2 (33:21):
Sure of course I totally agree.
Speaker 3 (33:24):
So perfect, Yeah, cool, you're not angry. I'm not angry.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
No, I'm not. I never was like angry at you.
I'm just I was more frustrated because I'm like, how
can I say this? There's a big of course, and
that's a big thing in me is always needing to
feel like I want to feel understood, like the thing
I said, you go, oh yeah, okay, I see what
you're saying. That is important to me, and at for
sure I attach emotions to it. I can one hundred
(33:51):
percent see that in myself. It's part of my chiron.
If we're going to keep it on astrology, all of
that really like is a driving force for me that
I have to.
Speaker 3 (34:00):
And I think that this is a perfect conversation for
what's going on for a whole lot of people.
Speaker 2 (34:05):
Right with the neptune.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
This is a big, big deal that neptune is squaring
in a cancer stellium. So we have had a cancer discussion.
Speaker 2 (34:15):
Yeah, because I'm a cancer. I'm not a cancer. Oh
you're saying this is.
Speaker 3 (34:23):
How cancer. Yeah, And with a neptune factor there, it's
going to bring in confusion and to be able to
talk through the confusion like we've just done. Yeah, this
is absolutely perfect.
Speaker 2 (34:40):
Just gave the example of it, right.
Speaker 3 (34:43):
I mean, so this has been the new moon. This
is what people have been going through for the last week,
and it's what they're going to go through for another
week until we get to the full moon.
Speaker 2 (34:56):
Is in Capricorn, which is totally different energy. It's like
exactly the opposite, right.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
Well, yeah, because Capricorn is much more it's earth.
Speaker 2 (35:08):
It's not water, right.
Speaker 3 (35:11):
Water is emotion and Capricorn is earthy. And so what
is that polarity is saying you've got to have balance.
You can't see Capricorn is all in her head. You know,
they have a hard time feeling. Right. When I get
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clients in, it's all Capricorn. I got to beat them
up because they won't get into their heart. They won't
get into their feelings. How does it feel? I don't
know where do you feel it in my head? You
don't feel nothing in your head your numb skull. So
(35:52):
that's the difference between Capricorn and this full moon. I mean,
look at what I what the way I was, what
I've got or self sufficiency, and this new moon is
going to is uh, this full moon is really going
to be excellent. We've got a lot of good positive
stuff coming out of this full moon. So in about
(36:14):
another week there's going to be a lot of ability
to use any kind of emotions or anything like that
to construct positive reality and construct positive dreams and manifest creativity.
(36:36):
Because it's you know, I won't say I mean it's
a quintile. So but any rate, these are gifts. So
we've got gifts coming to the full moon, and so
I think that that's a that's a big deal. The
only thing it's still has a uronicis can judge Venus,
(37:03):
which means there could be some relationship changes and you're
going to have a sense of having freedom, intellectual freedom,
So there could be disruptions and finances, could be new
ways of connecting new people through all the social medias
and stuff. But there's going to be a strong need
(37:24):
for an authentic, truthful expression in relationships. So the full
moon is going to be a good two weeks to
make that adjustment after we've seen what this new moon
has caused a lot of chaos and confusion around our
(37:44):
feelings and around the whole security and self image, which
is all cancer. And so when we get into the
also the other thing is this neptune is going to
square Jupiter. There could be some tension between idealism and
intuition and emotional beliefs. So it's going to give us
(38:08):
a spiritual opportunity to kind of understand things and get
out of confusion and sort through sole truth from inherited
emotional narratives. That is huge. Think about what I just said,
the need to sort through sole truth from inherited emotional narratives.
(38:33):
So letting, programming, programming, and the epigenetics of our family
are heritage. So that's going to be a positive and
it'll be good to go through that process to kind
of organize these feelings and emotions so that we can
(38:55):
use them constructively on what we do want and what
we do instead of battling. And that's what the full
moon does.
Speaker 2 (39:06):
Hey, well maybe by next month you and I will
see out of eye on this.
Speaker 3 (39:10):
Yeah, and next month you'll probably understand what I'm.
Speaker 2 (39:12):
Saying, or you'll understand what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (39:16):
I understand you, Kelly, trust me.
Speaker 2 (39:20):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (39:21):
I know. But then we got the new moon and
Leo on the twenty fourth of this month. Okay, is
going to be a big deal because Pluto will now
oppose the new Moon, and that's going to bring up
some serious challenges. Wow, bring up power struggles, blocked emotions,
(39:45):
ego and death, rebirth transformations, hidden forces being exposed, fear
of rejection, fear of being seen or suppressed, desires for approval.
So we've got to move into what calls sovereign power.
Sovereign power is when you believe when your spiritual is
(40:09):
your spiritual self is stronger than your ego self. Yeah.
And so next Nick that the new moon in Leo
is going to be rough.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
Oof?
Speaker 2 (40:19):
What do you mean rough? Just the all the Pluto and.
Speaker 3 (40:23):
Pluto in other words, we've got to face some challenges
that has been hidden or stuffed down, or suppressed or repressed.
This is how Pluto transforms us because they don't work
for us. It clears out our baggage. Have you ever
had some baggage cleared out in your life, Kelly.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
Yes, I'm very familiar with Pluto. Pluto and I go there.
Speaker 3 (40:53):
So that's what I mean is going to be rough,
But it doesn't have to be rough. It is just
you have to accept the fat to Pluto is transformation
into regeneration and renewal.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
Death and rebirth is the perfect way to say death
and rebirth.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
Yeah, And I mean, you know the death of Pluto
is very painful because we learn through pain, and when
we learn through pain, we don't forget it, right. And
then the opposite side of Pluto is heaven and rebuilds
us greater than we ever was before. So yes, it's
(41:33):
going to be some power struggles that I say is
going to be rough, but it's also going to be enlightening,
so it'll be good.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
All right. Well, I mean I think it like if
we're talking about on a collective level, it's been an
interesting couple months, and I feel very oddly removed from it,
which is so not like me. But I think we're
all watching just these battles.
Speaker 3 (41:58):
I think you've been that's really business and when you
stay busy, you don't have time for anything else.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Well it's that. But you know what else I think
it is is I think that like if we're talking
about politics and media and all that, like, I think
I've just gotten to the point of seeing it so
clearly of how much everything is meant to strike emotion
within us. It's supposed it's like calling to just jack
us up in that way, like let me incite fear,
(42:31):
let me hit their anger, let me get them work.
And it's like I don't want to play that game
with y'all. Whoever y'all is, you know what I mean,
Like I don't want to do that anymore, and I
don't want to turn over my emotional authority to something
that doesn't give a shit about me personally. Yeah, And
I think so it's like, we'll see what happens. It's
all going to play out as it's going to play out,
(42:53):
like you always.
Speaker 3 (42:54):
Say, like you do about it. So the more you
stay away from in other words, there's there's a new
thing coming out. There's a book coming out, and I
have a client that's working on that, and it's called
de emphasizing the dopa mine.
Speaker 2 (43:09):
Oh yeah, the dopamine.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Yeah. And so what you're doing is you're clearing out
that that dopa mine of reading the news, staying involved,
being addicted to the news, being addicted to what these
stupid politicians do, all of that out right, Well, then
(43:34):
you just operate in a place of joy. I mean,
your natural being is love, joy, happiness, and tranquility. That's
who you are naturally love. Yeah, And wouldn't that be
a beautiful place to be all the time?
Speaker 2 (43:52):
It sure would. It's how I started this podcast.
Speaker 3 (43:58):
You said that I saw Mary Poppin's head.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
On your Sunday goadye meeting at sure would yep?
Speaker 2 (44:14):
She would? Well, we we I think gave the people
the exact example of the energy that's going on. So
if you guys are feeling.
Speaker 3 (44:23):
This different, it's so perfect. Imagine if you.
Speaker 2 (44:28):
Guys are feeling this on a level in your own life.
For singing on the collective, you can always email me
at Kelly at velvetz edge dot com, but you can
also hit Marv up at is it Marvin.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
Com.
Speaker 2 (44:40):
Yeah, let us know what you think about this little
debate Marvin I just had or this misunderstanding, whatever you
want to call it. Like, I am curious what if
I'm making sense to people, if Marv is making sense
to people, what are we missing each other on help
us get through this neptune energy. And then if people
want to do a personal session with you, Marv, where
can they find you for that? Yeah, just email you
(45:04):
or you can go check out his website. It's astramarv
dot com. As always, I'll put that in the description
of this podcast for you guys, and we'll be back
next month. We'll see if we have more clarity with
each other to bring to the people. But I do
feel like it was kind of actually perfect now that
I understand all the neptune energy happening as well.
Speaker 3 (45:23):
Ah huh uh huh.
Speaker 2 (45:26):
All right, Thank you guys so much for listening, and
thanks Marv for being here. Thanks for listening to.
Speaker 1 (45:31):
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