August 20, 2024 • 30 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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on the iHeartRadio app Day two of.
Speaker 2 (00:08):
The Democratic National Convention, and we've been having this conversation
with Minnesota Congressman Dean Phillips, who at one time wanted
to run for president, and we you know, we get
to see you here on day two of the convention.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
It's kind of when we first started talking about it,
is when Dean Phillips came out and said, I don't know,
I've got these big concerns about Joe Biden serving another
four and a half years or what have you, or
there's six years at the time. I don't remember exactly
when it happened, but that's kind of when we started
talking about it, and you know, and other people were saying.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I don't think this guy can do another term, and.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
We were lied to, We were lied.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
To for at least a period of time about his
cognitive abilities and where he was at.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Yeah, it was it.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Was a confirmation of what our eyes were telling us
that there was somebody else in power, somebody closer than
we are obviously that recognize that.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
So I almost I almost feel like I want.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
To thank you because there are a lot of people,
I mean, even the members of the Democratic Party should
thank you for raising this to the level of people's
getting people's attention and that and that you. I don't
want to say you're a dog with a bone, but
it was something that you didn't forget.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
You know, you didn't let go.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Dog with a bone is a compliment in those cases,
you know. And I think every what you just said
about seeing with your own eyes, I mean I did too.
I may have been the only person in democratic politics
that woke up the morning after that debate and was
wondering what was so unique about that I've seen that?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, what had you seen that?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
What led to you?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
And I want to clarify this is really important to clarify.
I've not seen legitimate cognitive decline. That's that's a little different.
What I've seen is pretty incredible physical decline that come
age is unstoppable, we know that. And his communication skills,
which have always been challenged. You I have really eroded
his ability to seem strong and enunciate and think on
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his feet. You know, that's clearly been eroded. And Americans
had decided that that did make them comfortable for another
four years. And all I was trying to point out,
I wasn't trying to demean him or attack him. I
was trying to point out that voters, the ones that matter,
had made the decision already, so why would we ignore
them because of this orthodoxy that you always protect the incumbent.
So what I had seen he was in my home
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in twenty eleven. I saw a very strong man. We'd
just killed Osama bin Laden. He was the vice president,
and of course you know this, this is, you know,
fourteen years ago. Then I saw him in twenty twenty
and you know, he was an older man but still
had the GUSCO. But in twenty twenty one he came
to our caucus a couple of times to present to
help make a case for some legislation he was pushing,
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and we all saw with our own eyes the decline
and it had started, and it was real. I probably
had I was probably a little more concerned and jarred
than some others.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
But we were talking about it.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
But it wasn't until he declared his candidacy again to
run again that really surprised a lot of us. He
had kind of insinuated he wouldn't do it again. It
was going to be a bridge, and that's when I
felt compelled to say the quiet part out loud. I
went to Vietnam, where my father was killed in the
Vietnam War that spring of twenty twenty three to visit
where he died, and I remember getting on the plane
coming home and thinking, you know, my dad was one
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of a million Americans that literally gave his life serving
the country. The least I could do, for God's sakes
was speak the truth that I knew it was real,
and not condemning him, but ensuring that we inspire competition
and that we don't hide the truth from Americans, especially
after I saw my Republican colleagues what I thought was
a disease unique to the right, which was saying one
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thing about Donald Trump privately and then excoriating him, and
then getting in front of the cameras just and blessing him.
And then when my side started doing the same thing,
I thought this was contagious. It's not unique to one
side or the other. It is this culture of silence,
rewarding cowardice, and staying in line so that if you
aspired a higher office, he had got to play by
these rules that Americans are really sick and tired of.
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That was the mission, and to think that it may
have been partially accomplished.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I shed light on it.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Maybe I'll take some credit for that, but now it's
up to everybody else.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
What's your relationship with Tim Walls?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Like?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Tim and I are very close. He I've known him
for twenty years. I really liked him. What you see
is what you get. He's down home. He knows how
to fix a lawnmower, he knows how to plow his driveway.
He can skim a deer and then go legislate and
lead at state in the afternoon. You know, Teacher a
National Guardsman represented a red district in southern Minnesota. He
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more than most Democratic politicians, really, I think, understands where
most Americans are at. You know, you can say he's
too progressive, or you don't like this policy or that,
but the man comes from I think, a part of
the country and has lived in communities that need to
be heard more certainly by my party. So I'm pleased
by it. You know, he's likely if they win, he
will be the third Democratic vice president from the state
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of Minnesota of the last six and as Senator Klobashar says,
in Minnesota, when a baby's born, parents put them on
their laps and say, one day, you too can grew
up and be vice president of the United States. So
we raised good vice president. And you know, look at
we are our state. I think there's a reason for that.
You know we are you know, we're thoughtful. You know
we're generally respectful. Minnesota nice, little passive, aggressive, but a
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state that has higher taxes, but clean water, beautiful parks,
a great environment, great schools.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Safe commuity.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
What are you going to do about the Vikings?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, that's an issue now that I mean, that's a
whole other second. I wish, I wish Congress.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I wish Congress could legislate a Viking super Bowl before
in my lifetime.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well, you've been through the ringer, whether it's the party
that did it or media, whatever, you've been through the
ringer for the last year and a half. Do you
are you confident that there was a place for a
voice like yours in the Democratic Party.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
I think time will tell.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I'm testing that right now.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
It was not well received, but I will let me
I will I'm glad you asked that question Leader Jeffrey
taking Jeffries, there was not one moment from the time
I started this endeavor to this very day where he
was disrespectful, where he threatened me with removing me from committees,
where he didn't afford some space in place for the
very discent that I was trying to elevate. And like,
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I believe that speaks to him specifically, not everybody. There
is a place, and I think those handful of leaders
in our party who recognize what real American principles are
and what winning requires should be elevating that.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
But as you know this, we.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Live in a culture now that doing so comes at
risk to the very leaders that need to inspire it.
So that's the perverse incentive. So time will tell. But
I won't be quiet. You know, I'm unbridled and uncommitted.
If you will, and I just want to inspire more
people to speak that truth. But you can do it
in a way that is not antagonistic and mean spirited,
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because it works better. Yeah, and I think that's what
I want to Maybe.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
We shouldn't have come here because now I like a politicians,
the media. It's just nice to have a thoughtful conversation
with somebody who doesn't seem phony and is smart.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, so thank you, very appreciated. Congressman Dean film about
this right here. Thank you for coming on, Thank you
for making time for us to thank you both looking
for thanks for what you do.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Absolutely we need more of in that list.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Thank you again, Congressman Dean Phillips from the third District
of Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
We'll continue.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
We are alive today at Chicago's United Center for the
Democratic National Convention, Day two. Yeah, Dean Phillips is a
pretty likable guy.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yes, Joe Kwan said he should run for president.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Well he did.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I mean that was the problem, and that's why he
gained popularity is because he did run for president, tried to.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I suppose the way we've talked.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
About before, the the the mechanism that you have to
fight against to get your if you're not the pre anointed,
most likely candidate, you're not going to get in.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Yeah, I mean Nicki Haley.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Nicki Haley was in pole as latest February and March
would have beat Joe Biden head to head by ten percent. Yeah,
and she got drummed out because of the Republican Party machine.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
That is the machine.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
We are live in Chicago United Center, of course, the
home of the Chicago Bulls the Chicago Blackhawks, for Day
two of the Democratic National Convention. Today's theme for the
convention a bold vision for America's future. We spoke with
the former mayor of Chicago, Lori Lightfoot, and she said
she wants this to continue to grow. Last night there
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was a lot of energy in that arena, so I'd
be surprised if they're going to be able to keep
it up. One of the things that we were able
to do today was we went to the California delegate
breakfast and had some conversations with people, and we ran
into our old friend Conan Nolan from NBC four, and
Shannon had an opportunity to talk to him about these conventions.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So good to see you again. See so this is
your first rodeo of.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Forty years ago, as my first eighty four San Francisco
Walter Mondale And yeah, so I've been to a few.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
And how does this one stuck up differently?
Speaker 7 (09:09):
Well, it's organized, not nearly as organized as a Republicans are,
and they never are. I mean, he was outside of
prime time on the East Coast, last night when Joe
Biden ended up leaving the stage. But it's astonishing you've
seen it, the difference between what this convention was going
to be like thirty days ago and what it's like today.
Remember that, had Biden been the nominee, eighty percent of
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this convention was going to be about Donald Trump because
that was the only traction he was getting.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
I may be old, but he's crazy.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Now you're speaking Monday night and then you're leaving town
and then it's Kamala of the rest of the week.
And so it went well last night outside of the
fact that it went too long and they stuck their
landing on day one.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, are you surprised how organized everyone fell into line
behind Kamala so quickly after Biden stepped down.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Stunned really, But this is a party that values women,
values people of color, and I think it was going
to be real problematic if they were going to take
the first black woman who's a vice president and say, listen,
we're going to have we're not going to hand this
over to you, We're going to compete in a truncated
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what sixty day period. That wasn't going to work. But yeah,
I'm surprised based on the level and the sophistication of support,
and so the party finds itself in a good place.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Now everything could change after.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
The first debate, because the first debate is where it
is pretty crucial. But right now she's having the best
four weeks of any candidate in modern history.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
We've talked about how orchestrated it is, how choreographed it is.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Of course there are some surprises.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Clint Eaewood talking to a chair for forty five minutes comes
to mind from twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Do you anticipate any surprises here this week?
Speaker 7 (11:00):
There could be Democrats again, are are known for not
having as buttoned up a convention as Republicans. Day one,
though was was pretty impressive. I get the impression. Remember
this is a four day television show, and that's that's
the that's the point is to reach as many people
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as you possibly can and put the message.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
And introduce Kamala Harris.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
You know, she may be the vice president of the
past four years, but most people don't know her. And
it just as in ninety two Bill Clinton. You know
that research showed and nobody knew who he was, so
they produced that you know, man from Hope video that
was widely seen. Millions saw it, and all of a sudden,
at the end of that they thought, Okay, I know
who this guy is. Expect that on Thursday, and uh
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and I and I'm and I'm I'm pretty sure that
they're going to I. They're going to be sophisticated and
focused enough not to vary from from the message at hand,
which is Tamala harr is the new thing. She is,
you know, passed the torch. We're not going back. She
has flipped the script on the age issue, which is
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pretty dramatic. You think about that, it's not an eighty
one year old anymore running and the old guys on
the other ticket, so they can't be happier, I think,
and they're doing backflips. Nobody's more happy than this delegation
inside the ballroom here.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Going back to eighty four, are there any convention moments
that stick out to you, crazy moments that you've experienced.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
No.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
I remember in eighty four there was the Jesse Jackson
had a big controversy because he once referred to New
York as HEIMI town, and he apologized for that. God
is not done with me yet. I'll never forget that line.
The Clint Eastwood moment. Remember they didn't know what he
was going to say. He came up with a chair
idea in the in the makeup room, and I just
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remember watching I was on the floor then watching Romney
kind of sweat bullets because they weren't sure what was
coming out of his mouth. Those kind of moments speech.
I remember in that convention there were there were anti
Hillary people on the floor. I remember the California delegation
particularly tried to get people to go to the When
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they went to the bathroom, they would have pro Hillary
delegates sit in their chair so that the Bernie delegates
wouldn't be able to get back in and have a
place to sit because they were heckling people like Leon Panetta.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
That that's that happened at that convention.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
So this one based on everything we've seen before Night
one pretty well organized and and and of one of
one voice.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Conan Nolan, such a treasure. Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
Before you go, you have the best show. I love
you and Gary. I listened to you all the time
and I'm a fan. If there's anything I can ever
do for Gary and Shannon, let me know, because you
you nail it and nobody.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Nobody sticks there landing every morning.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Then you guys, okay, there was.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
A little much to the end part there. I guess
we would have cut that off. Sorry. That's great. So
thank you to Conan Nolan from NBC four for taking
time for us this morning. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Those like the moments about you know, Clint Easwood just
coming up with that last minute, and the people, the
Bernie Sanders people losing their seats like just some little hyjiinks.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
That goes on.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, and you know we've only done three of these,
so we don't have those experiences yet present.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
But that's great. So Conan, again, thank you for talking
with us.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
We are at the United Center for day two of
the d NC. A big day last night with President
Biden speaking, passing the torch so to speak, Kamala Harris
coming on stage. We heard from Hillary Clinton, and today
we will hear from the Obamas. More on the schedule
coming up. In a moment speaking about Tim Waltz, Tim Walls,
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the vice presidential nominee, was interrupted this morning. He was
addressing the Women's Caucus.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
On the sidelines of the dn SEE.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
A handful of pro Palestinian protesters from Code Pink chanted
stop killing women in Gaza and Gaza and wielded banners
that said Kamala, no weapons to Israel and arms embargo.
Now he did not address the protesters, Apparently they were
drowned out by chance of USA from the crowd. This
was in the ballroom at McCormick Place. That's a hotel
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area where a lot of people. There are a lot
of activities and meetings are being held there.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Speaking of the protests, definitely not. They didn't materialize yesterday
the way that it was expected. There were somewhere between
probably three four thousand people outside of United Center's sort
of property where the park nearby is where they were
actually licensed to hold their protest, and then made their
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way closer to the perimeter here.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
You may have seen some of the images of a.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Few people breaching the outside perimeter the giant metal fencing
that's up there. According to Chicago PD and security apparatus
around here, they said that the ten arrests were made yesterday,
which listen for a Chicago protest is not very many,
so we know that there are more protests. They're going
to be planned throughout the week. Some concern perhaps that
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they are getting even better, not better, they're getting even bigger.
It's what I meant to say. So it's something that
we have to keep our eyes on.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
So Kamala Harris and Tim Walls are going.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
To go to Milwaukee. Yeah, they say.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
They're going to have a large rally about eight pm
Central at the same venue where Republicans gathered for the
RNC last month. Supporters already lining up for the event
right now, eight hours ahead of time, as Harris staff
and volunteers pass out some water.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
You know, I just I realized that we've gotten the
full list. By the way, don't have the exact rundown times.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Because I don't know if they're going to do that
this time.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
But we do have a list of confirmed speakers for tonight,
day two of the men, and they include a woman
that I saw walking through here a short time ago,
Stephanie Grisham, who was a former press secretary for the
Trump White House. That's right, and she has been very
critical of him since she left the White House. I
believe that she left right after January sixth, and she
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is supposed to be one of those speakers tonight, along
with Arizona Mayor Mesa, Arizona Mayor John Giles, New Mexico's
Governor Michelle Leu Hunt Grisham, Senator Tammy Duckworth out.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Of the Great State of Illinois, Governor JB. Pritzker.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
We actually saw him this morning when he was speaking
before the California delegation right well.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Also hear from Doug M.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Hoff, Michelle Obama, and former President Barack Obama.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
You said you've seen Obama speak.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I don't remember if he was speaking in Philly eight
years ago.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
We did not see him speak in Philly if he did,
but I saw him when he in eight I covered
his campaign events in Los Angeles when I was a
report so I saw him speak a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And he does have it.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
There are these people you've come across he has it.
Arnold Schwarzenegger had it when I covered him when he
was governor up in Sacramento.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Bill Clinton had it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I've seen him speak before where they just kind of
take over a room. They have all the oxygen in
the room. It's just this charisma, it's this powerful presence.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Other people who have it.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Tiger Woods has it.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
David Beckham as another person who has it. I mean,
there are like superstar athletes that I've met that do
not have it, you know, like Michael Jordan, for example,
didn't have the same kind of magneticism that Tiger had
with a room full of people, which was weird.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But yeah, there is also a burgeoning group of RFK
Junior supporters who are in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Heard that, So it.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Says, according to Politico, about a half a dozen RFK
Junior for President supporters their way through the Chicago streets today,
waving a bunch of big flags, pulling in a boom
box and a wagon that was blasting music. Asked if
they were with the Kennedy campaign. One of the people said,
we are with the movement. So they were on their
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way to the Bean Sculpture Millennium Park. I'm laughing because
we were supposed.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
To go there and take our pictures.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
But also spotted here are these Nancy Pelosi pins.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Have you seen this?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
No, several Democratic lawmakers spotted wearing these pins honoring Nancy Pelosi.
And it's what is it is the black and white
picture of the Godfather from the cover of the cover
the book, but it says the Godmother with the puppet
strings and then her picture there because, of course, she
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stepped down from party leadership two years ago, but still
still handles the gavel, so to speak, she still wields
the gavel. She was one of the main people behind
the orchestration of getting Joe Biden to step down and
get off the ticket.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Something that happened last night also was that they did
not intend is they went very very late. They went
very late because the speakers went over. There was a
suggestion that in fact they went over because the applause
was so big that the applause was so long for
each of the speakers. At least that was the official
statement from the Democratic National Committee.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
They say they're trying.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
To shorten the program tonight after last night meant that
Biden got bumped from primetime. They're asked to trim their speeches,
make sure they stick to the time limits. AIDS are
even considering making adjustments to the lineups for the rest
of the week so that they can make sure that
they fit in the way they're supposed to be fitting in.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Look at your puppy, I know up be so cute.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Yep. He loves his little walk. He loves so when
he gets on the grass, he loves to pretend to
It's like a bunny.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
He's almost like a bunny.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
And you can walk as fast as he's running. Yeah,
so you don't.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
You don't actually get but he's kind He kind of
does this thing where he leaps with both the front feet.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And then the back feet. I got distracted.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I miss my doctor. You got distracted. All right, we'll continue.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Gary and Shannon will be right back live a United
Center in Chicago for day two of the Democratic National Convention. Oh,
I wanted to play this before we go. Comments about
our interview with Dean Phillips A short.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Time, you guys.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Interesting conversation with Dean Phillips.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
I guess I never took time to really listen to
him in the past, but he seems like he's got
it together and he probably would have been a very
good candidate for president on their side.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Good conversation.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
I can't wait to hear it all.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
Hey, Gary and Shannon Bill in San Diego enjoyed that
interview with Dean Phillips. That guy seems very smart and informed,
and he's not afraid to talk about how things are rigged. Yeah,
he actually seems like an ethical politician.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I know, and that is rare, weird.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
It was bizarre to me.
Speaker 10 (22:01):
I was like, what the heck?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
You had positive feelings towards him?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I had politive feelings toward a politician, and I don't
know if that has happened before.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Well, I've never said we dislike all politicians. I just
said we generally.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Well, also, don't you think he's like a died in
the world democrat. I think it's just convenient for him
to be a Democrat. I think he's a true independent.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I mean, he did go to Brown University, so that's
kind of baked in the cake there, Isn't it.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
A little bit?
Speaker 11 (22:29):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Okay, live in Chicago this week for the Democratic National Convention,
among other things that are going on, keeping an eye
on protests. There were about ten arrests. What we saw
from yesterday, there were protesters that made their way towards
the downtown Chicago area, away from United Center, and we're
actually arrested just out about six blocks away from our hotel.
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And since that's the center of the universe, we might
as well, you know, put it in that context. Sure,
this morning, we had an opportunity to hang out with
the California delegate breakfast big ballroom one of the hotels downtown,
and they brought in big speakers. I mean they brought
in Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, JB. Pritzker, of
course of governor of Illinois, welcomed everybody to the city
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of Chicago, and they had some other speakers that got
up there and addressed them. California delegation probably gets some
of the better speakers, considering it's going to be the
largest delegation in the in the room when later today
Gavin Newsom gives Kamala Harris enough delegates to get the
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official nomination.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
They had a nice spread there of breakfast foods and things,
eggs and pastries and muffins and all sorts of things.
And it was funny because when they did the opening
or you know, the welcome thing and like, oh, I
hope you're enjoying your breakfast, you know, get you fueled
up and get the eggs and bacon. And I don't
know if you heard it, but people started shouting.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
No bacon, no bacon, and the guy's like, yeah, sorry
about that. There wasn't bacon, and so.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Actual baked like national Bacon Day today?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Oh is it?
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Because I was like at first when I heard them
say no bacon, no bacon, I was like, these are
the Deborah Mark people that just doesn't like you know
me because it's California.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
But that wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
They were They were complaining because there was no bacon
this morning.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Interesting, that's funny. On National Bacon Day, of all days,
they ran out of bacon. So you ran into a
woman named Carolyn Fowler who is one of the delegates,
and you spoke to her.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
What has it been like here? It seems like everyone's
in a great mood.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
People are coming off of the elevators just beaming.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Talking about joyful warriors. Last night was incredible. All of
the speakers, like the closing decra was Joe, Joe Budd
my Goodness and his daughter and she spoke about him.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
Everybody is crying then living It is fabulous.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
What did that mean to see a visible connection between
Kamala and Joe. She had tears in her eyes. It
seemed like they're really He was unity and the image
that they've been trying to portray.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
No, they have always been close. He has always been
a joyful warrior On his side. They worked together, that's
why he picked her. I think they got that coming
out of you right from the very beginning. And he
I think, as he said, he did a good job.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
What's it like, excitement wise with the Obamas here today?
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Well, actually I haven't seen them yet, so I guess
I'll have to switch.
Speaker 10 (25:28):
I'm still living off of last night. It was so incredible.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
Hillary was amazing, Alc Thomas, swimming Crockett. I mean it
was just like a line if you couldn't believe, you
couldn't pay for and everyone was so on point a
message about their relationships with Kamala who was the genuineness
just unbelievable, really, and I think they m felt it,
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and I hope he came across on TV.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Have you always been very much into politics?
Speaker 10 (25:59):
Yes, I'm a good from Detroit.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
There was a state senator, so as a little girl,
I was stumping envelopes.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
So very much.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
So political family, very hard working working family. My parents
were both union members.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
So thanks in your blood.
Speaker 10 (26:18):
It's in the blood, in the blood and left in women.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
No women, more women.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
She's winking at me the whole time. I know more women, you.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Know, on the same team, right, and you said, I
don't want nothing to do with any politics, give me
no position.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
You said you'd never vote for a woman. That's not true.
I know that's not true.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
This four day television show continues, of course, and there
are some celebrity.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Faces that have made their way through the crowd.
Speaker 11 (26:45):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Gloria Allread was easy to pick out this morning.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
She was.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
She has a very signature look does she not?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
She definitely does. You also had a chance to corner.
I'm sorry, talk to glory.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Always been in this game for quite sometime, and a
convention is not new to you.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
That's right.
Speaker 12 (27:03):
I love politics because it's a blood sport.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, it's your game, it is.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
That's what I do as a lawyer as well as
a lawyer, I fight for my clients.
Speaker 10 (27:15):
What's it right to look at? I fight for people.
Speaker 11 (27:19):
And good government, government with integrity, government where we see
world leadership, where we see people who really care about
the vulnerable, that people who don't have a voice but
who have great need.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Kamala the first woman on a winning ticket and now
the first woman at the top of a ticket. What's
that like for somebody who has been entrenched in women's
rights and empowerment for decades.
Speaker 11 (27:50):
A Shannon, We've always said in the women's movement that
a woman's place is in the house. We used to
mean the House of Representative. Now a woman's place is
in the house, a white house.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I got to ask you because I covered it twenty
years ago and it's been in the news with all
these new documentaries, Scott Peterson issue is pre surfaced.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 11 (28:16):
Well, if you can prove that he's factually innocent, he
should be able to do that.
Speaker 10 (28:21):
I don't think he can do that.
Speaker 11 (28:24):
The judge has denied all of his requests for testing
DNA except for one request, and we'll see what that produces.
Speaker 10 (28:33):
Just because the La Innocence Project.
Speaker 11 (28:36):
Which is not the same as the National Innocence Project.
Speaker 10 (28:40):
Has taken his case, does it mean that they will prevail?
Maybe they will, maybe they won't.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Does it bother you that it seems a focus of
all these new documentaries is more on Scott and not
about Lacy and Connor?
Speaker 11 (28:52):
Well, I think the Murder of Lacy Peterson does focus
on Lacy Peterson. But as you know, I represented he
still represent Amber Fry, the.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
Key prosecution witness who was in a relationship with.
Speaker 12 (29:12):
Scott Peterson, not knowing he was married and said he
wasn't married.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And instrumental in calling the cops and saying of.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
That, well, yes, and.
Speaker 11 (29:22):
Even more importantly agreeable when law enforcement requested it to
secretly take him and court his conversations.
Speaker 12 (29:33):
And I think her courage, because she was a great
was harm living alone as a single mom, her young child,
with no police protection, which she never had.
Speaker 10 (29:47):
But she did it because she loves in the cause
of justice.
Speaker 12 (29:51):
So I'm very proud of her, proud to have represented
her all these years, and through.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
The trial, everyone said she was heroic and did what
she needed to do during the trial.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
Came across very honest, very incredible.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
During Yeah, she was a good witness.
Speaker 11 (30:09):
And she always says she'll do it the air and
pictures your bumps.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Now, let me get back to my eggs, she said,
to be in there, all right, still an hour.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
To come here.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
On the show, day two of the Democratic National Convention
in Chicago, we're going to be talking with ABC's Jim
Ryan right after the news about what's going on with
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Speaker 2 (00:08):
The Democratic National Convention, and we've been having this conversation
with Minnesota Congressman Dean Phillips, who at one time wanted
to run for president, and we you know, we get
to see you here on day two of the convention.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
It's kind of when we first started talking about it,
is when Dean Phillips came out and said, I don't know,
I've got these big concerns about Joe Biden serving another
four and a half years or what have you, or
there's six years at the time. I don't remember exactly
when it happened, but that's kind of when we started
talking about it, and you know, and other people were saying.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
I don't think this guy can do another term, and.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
We were lied to, We were lied.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
To for at least a period of time about his
cognitive abilities and where he was at.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Yeah, it was it.
Speaker 2 (00:51):
Was a confirmation of what our eyes were telling us
that there was somebody else in power, somebody closer than
we are obviously that recognize that.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
So I almost I almost feel like I want.
Speaker 2 (01:02):
To thank you because there are a lot of people,
I mean, even the members of the Democratic Party should
thank you for raising this to the level of people's
getting people's attention and that and that you. I don't
want to say you're a dog with a bone, but
it was something that you didn't forget.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
You know, you didn't let go.
Speaker 5 (01:20):
Dog with a bone is a compliment in those cases,
you know. And I think every what you just said
about seeing with your own eyes, I mean I did too.
I may have been the only person in democratic politics
that woke up the morning after that debate and was
wondering what was so unique about that I've seen that?
Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, what had you seen that?
Speaker 4 (01:38):
What led to you?
Speaker 5 (01:41):
And I want to clarify this is really important to clarify.
I've not seen legitimate cognitive decline. That's that's a little different.
What I've seen is pretty incredible physical decline that come
age is unstoppable, we know that. And his communication skills,
which have always been challenged. You I have really eroded
his ability to seem strong and enunciate and think on
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his feet. You know, that's clearly been eroded. And Americans
had decided that that did make them comfortable for another
four years. And all I was trying to point out,
I wasn't trying to demean him or attack him. I
was trying to point out that voters, the ones that matter,
had made the decision already, so why would we ignore
them because of this orthodoxy that you always protect the incumbent.
So what I had seen he was in my home
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in twenty eleven. I saw a very strong man. We'd
just killed Osama bin Laden. He was the vice president,
and of course you know this, this is, you know,
fourteen years ago. Then I saw him in twenty twenty
and you know, he was an older man but still
had the GUSCO. But in twenty twenty one he came
to our caucus a couple of times to present to
help make a case for some legislation he was pushing,
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and we all saw with our own eyes the decline
and it had started, and it was real. I probably
had I was probably a little more concerned and jarred
than some others.
Speaker 4 (02:55):
But we were talking about it.
Speaker 5 (02:57):
But it wasn't until he declared his candidacy again to
run again that really surprised a lot of us. He
had kind of insinuated he wouldn't do it again. It
was going to be a bridge, and that's when I
felt compelled to say the quiet part out loud. I
went to Vietnam, where my father was killed in the
Vietnam War that spring of twenty twenty three to visit
where he died, and I remember getting on the plane
coming home and thinking, you know, my dad was one
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of a million Americans that literally gave his life serving
the country. The least I could do, for God's sakes
was speak the truth that I knew it was real,
and not condemning him, but ensuring that we inspire competition
and that we don't hide the truth from Americans, especially
after I saw my Republican colleagues what I thought was
a disease unique to the right, which was saying one
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thing about Donald Trump privately and then excoriating him, and
then getting in front of the cameras just and blessing him.
And then when my side started doing the same thing,
I thought this was contagious. It's not unique to one
side or the other. It is this culture of silence,
rewarding cowardice, and staying in line so that if you
aspired a higher office, he had got to play by
these rules that Americans are really sick and tired of.
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That was the mission, and to think that it may
have been partially accomplished.
Speaker 4 (04:05):
I shed light on it.
Speaker 5 (04:06):
Maybe I'll take some credit for that, but now it's
up to everybody else.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
What's your relationship with Tim Walls?
Speaker 1 (04:11):
Like?
Speaker 5 (04:12):
Tim and I are very close. He I've known him
for twenty years. I really liked him. What you see
is what you get. He's down home. He knows how
to fix a lawnmower, he knows how to plow his driveway.
He can skim a deer and then go legislate and
lead at state in the afternoon. You know, Teacher a
National Guardsman represented a red district in southern Minnesota. He
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more than most Democratic politicians, really, I think, understands where
most Americans are at. You know, you can say he's
too progressive, or you don't like this policy or that,
but the man comes from I think, a part of
the country and has lived in communities that need to
be heard more certainly by my party. So I'm pleased
by it. You know, he's likely if they win, he
will be the third Democratic vice president from the state
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of Minnesota of the last six and as Senator Klobashar says,
in Minnesota, when a baby's born, parents put them on
their laps and say, one day, you too can grew
up and be vice president of the United States. So
we raised good vice president. And you know, look at
we are our state. I think there's a reason for that.
You know we are you know, we're thoughtful. You know
we're generally respectful. Minnesota nice, little passive, aggressive, but a
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state that has higher taxes, but clean water, beautiful parks,
a great environment, great schools.
Speaker 6 (05:25):
Safe commuity.
Speaker 4 (05:26):
What are you going to do about the Vikings?
Speaker 2 (05:27):
Yeah, that's an issue now that I mean, that's a
whole other second. I wish, I wish Congress.
Speaker 5 (05:35):
I wish Congress could legislate a Viking super Bowl before
in my lifetime.
Speaker 2 (05:40):
Well, you've been through the ringer, whether it's the party
that did it or media, whatever, you've been through the
ringer for the last year and a half. Do you
are you confident that there was a place for a
voice like yours in the Democratic Party.
Speaker 6 (05:52):
I think time will tell.
Speaker 4 (05:53):
I'm testing that right now.
Speaker 6 (05:54):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:55):
It was not well received, but I will let me
I will I'm glad you asked that question Leader Jeffrey
taking Jeffries, there was not one moment from the time
I started this endeavor to this very day where he
was disrespectful, where he threatened me with removing me from committees,
where he didn't afford some space in place for the
very discent that I was trying to elevate. And like,
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I believe that speaks to him specifically, not everybody. There
is a place, and I think those handful of leaders
in our party who recognize what real American principles are
and what winning requires should be elevating that.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
But as you know this, we.
Speaker 5 (06:31):
Live in a culture now that doing so comes at
risk to the very leaders that need to inspire it.
So that's the perverse incentive. So time will tell. But
I won't be quiet. You know, I'm unbridled and uncommitted.
If you will, and I just want to inspire more
people to speak that truth. But you can do it
in a way that is not antagonistic and mean spirited,
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because it works better. Yeah, and I think that's what
I want to Maybe.
Speaker 1 (06:55):
We shouldn't have come here because now I like a politicians,
the media. It's just nice to have a thoughtful conversation
with somebody who doesn't seem phony and is smart.
Speaker 2 (07:08):
Yeah, so thank you, very appreciated. Congressman Dean film about
this right here. Thank you for coming on, Thank you
for making time for us to thank you both looking
for thanks for what you do.
Speaker 4 (07:17):
Absolutely we need more of in that list.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
Thank you again, Congressman Dean Phillips from the third District
of Minnesota.
Speaker 4 (07:22):
We'll continue.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
We are alive today at Chicago's United Center for the
Democratic National Convention, Day two. Yeah, Dean Phillips is a
pretty likable guy.
Speaker 1 (07:31):
Yes, Joe Kwan said he should run for president.
Speaker 4 (07:34):
Well he did.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
I mean that was the problem, and that's why he
gained popularity is because he did run for president, tried to.
Speaker 4 (07:41):
I suppose the way we've talked.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
About before, the the the mechanism that you have to
fight against to get your if you're not the pre anointed,
most likely candidate, you're not going to get in.
Speaker 4 (07:54):
Yeah, I mean Nicki Haley.
Speaker 2 (07:57):
Nicki Haley was in pole as latest February and March
would have beat Joe Biden head to head by ten percent. Yeah,
and she got drummed out because of the Republican Party machine.
Speaker 4 (08:09):
That is the machine.
Speaker 2 (08:12):
We are live in Chicago United Center, of course, the
home of the Chicago Bulls the Chicago Blackhawks, for Day
two of the Democratic National Convention. Today's theme for the
convention a bold vision for America's future. We spoke with
the former mayor of Chicago, Lori Lightfoot, and she said
she wants this to continue to grow. Last night there
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was a lot of energy in that arena, so I'd
be surprised if they're going to be able to keep
it up. One of the things that we were able
to do today was we went to the California delegate
breakfast and had some conversations with people, and we ran
into our old friend Conan Nolan from NBC four, and
Shannon had an opportunity to talk to him about these conventions.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
So good to see you again. See so this is
your first rodeo of.
Speaker 7 (08:58):
Forty years ago, as my first eighty four San Francisco
Walter Mondale And yeah, so I've been to a few.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
And how does this one stuck up differently?
Speaker 7 (09:09):
Well, it's organized, not nearly as organized as a Republicans are,
and they never are. I mean, he was outside of
prime time on the East Coast, last night when Joe
Biden ended up leaving the stage. But it's astonishing you've
seen it, the difference between what this convention was going
to be like thirty days ago and what it's like today.
Remember that, had Biden been the nominee, eighty percent of
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this convention was going to be about Donald Trump because
that was the only traction he was getting.
Speaker 6 (09:37):
I may be old, but he's crazy.
Speaker 7 (09:40):
Now you're speaking Monday night and then you're leaving town
and then it's Kamala of the rest of the week.
And so it went well last night outside of the
fact that it went too long and they stuck their
landing on day one.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah, are you surprised how organized everyone fell into line
behind Kamala so quickly after Biden stepped down.
Speaker 7 (10:03):
Stunned really, But this is a party that values women,
values people of color, and I think it was going
to be real problematic if they were going to take
the first black woman who's a vice president and say, listen,
we're going to have we're not going to hand this
over to you, We're going to compete in a truncated
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what sixty day period. That wasn't going to work. But yeah,
I'm surprised based on the level and the sophistication of support,
and so the party finds itself in a good place.
Speaker 6 (10:37):
Now everything could change after.
Speaker 7 (10:40):
The first debate, because the first debate is where it
is pretty crucial. But right now she's having the best
four weeks of any candidate in modern history.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
We've talked about how orchestrated it is, how choreographed it is.
Speaker 3 (10:50):
Of course there are some surprises.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
Clint Eaewood talking to a chair for forty five minutes comes
to mind from twenty twelve.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Do you anticipate any surprises here this week?
Speaker 7 (11:00):
There could be Democrats again, are are known for not
having as buttoned up a convention as Republicans. Day one,
though was was pretty impressive. I get the impression. Remember
this is a four day television show, and that's that's
the that's the point is to reach as many people
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as you possibly can and put the message.
Speaker 6 (11:23):
And introduce Kamala Harris.
Speaker 7 (11:24):
You know, she may be the vice president of the
past four years, but most people don't know her. And
it just as in ninety two Bill Clinton. You know
that research showed and nobody knew who he was, so
they produced that you know, man from Hope video that
was widely seen. Millions saw it, and all of a sudden,
at the end of that they thought, Okay, I know
who this guy is. Expect that on Thursday, and uh
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and I and I'm and I'm I'm pretty sure that
they're going to I. They're going to be sophisticated and
focused enough not to vary from from the message at hand,
which is Tamala harr is the new thing. She is,
you know, passed the torch. We're not going back. She
has flipped the script on the age issue, which is
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pretty dramatic. You think about that, it's not an eighty
one year old anymore running and the old guys on
the other ticket, so they can't be happier, I think,
and they're doing backflips. Nobody's more happy than this delegation
inside the ballroom here.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Going back to eighty four, are there any convention moments
that stick out to you, crazy moments that you've experienced.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
No.
Speaker 7 (12:28):
I remember in eighty four there was the Jesse Jackson
had a big controversy because he once referred to New
York as HEIMI town, and he apologized for that. God
is not done with me yet. I'll never forget that line.
The Clint Eastwood moment. Remember they didn't know what he
was going to say. He came up with a chair
idea in the in the makeup room, and I just
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remember watching I was on the floor then watching Romney
kind of sweat bullets because they weren't sure what was
coming out of his mouth. Those kind of moments speech.
I remember in that convention there were there were anti
Hillary people on the floor. I remember the California delegation
particularly tried to get people to go to the When
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they went to the bathroom, they would have pro Hillary
delegates sit in their chair so that the Bernie delegates
wouldn't be able to get back in and have a
place to sit because they were heckling people like Leon Panetta.
Speaker 6 (13:21):
That that's that happened at that convention.
Speaker 7 (13:23):
So this one based on everything we've seen before Night
one pretty well organized and and and of one of
one voice.
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Conan Nolan, such a treasure. Thank you so much.
Speaker 7 (13:34):
Before you go, you have the best show. I love
you and Gary. I listened to you all the time
and I'm a fan. If there's anything I can ever
do for Gary and Shannon, let me know, because you
you nail it and nobody.
Speaker 6 (13:49):
Nobody sticks there landing every morning.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
Then you guys, okay, there was.
Speaker 4 (13:55):
A little much to the end part there. I guess
we would have cut that off. Sorry. That's great. So
thank you to Conan Nolan from NBC four for taking
time for us this morning. That's pretty cool.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
Those like the moments about you know, Clint Easwood just
coming up with that last minute, and the people, the
Bernie Sanders people losing their seats like just some little hyjiinks.
Speaker 3 (14:18):
That goes on.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Yeah, and you know we've only done three of these,
so we don't have those experiences yet present.
Speaker 4 (14:24):
But that's great. So Conan, again, thank you for talking
with us.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
We are at the United Center for day two of
the d NC. A big day last night with President
Biden speaking, passing the torch so to speak, Kamala Harris
coming on stage. We heard from Hillary Clinton, and today
we will hear from the Obamas. More on the schedule
coming up. In a moment speaking about Tim Waltz, Tim Walls,
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the vice presidential nominee, was interrupted this morning. He was
addressing the Women's Caucus.
Speaker 3 (14:58):
On the sidelines of the dn SEE.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
A handful of pro Palestinian protesters from Code Pink chanted
stop killing women in Gaza and Gaza and wielded banners
that said Kamala, no weapons to Israel and arms embargo.
Now he did not address the protesters, Apparently they were
drowned out by chance of USA from the crowd. This
was in the ballroom at McCormick Place. That's a hotel
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area where a lot of people. There are a lot
of activities and meetings are being held there.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Speaking of the protests, definitely not. They didn't materialize yesterday
the way that it was expected. There were somewhere between
probably three four thousand people outside of United Center's sort
of property where the park nearby is where they were
actually licensed to hold their protest, and then made their
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way closer to the perimeter here.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
You may have seen some of the images of a.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Few people breaching the outside perimeter the giant metal fencing
that's up there. According to Chicago PD and security apparatus
around here, they said that the ten arrests were made yesterday,
which listen for a Chicago protest is not very many,
so we know that there are more protests. They're going
to be planned throughout the week. Some concern perhaps that
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they are getting even better, not better, they're getting even bigger.
It's what I meant to say. So it's something that
we have to keep our eyes on.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
So Kamala Harris and Tim Walls are going.
Speaker 4 (16:25):
To go to Milwaukee. Yeah, they say.
Speaker 1 (16:29):
They're going to have a large rally about eight pm
Central at the same venue where Republicans gathered for the
RNC last month. Supporters already lining up for the event
right now, eight hours ahead of time, as Harris staff
and volunteers pass out some water.
Speaker 2 (16:47):
You know, I just I realized that we've gotten the
full list. By the way, don't have the exact rundown times.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Because I don't know if they're going to do that
this time.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
But we do have a list of confirmed speakers for tonight,
day two of the men, and they include a woman
that I saw walking through here a short time ago,
Stephanie Grisham, who was a former press secretary for the
Trump White House. That's right, and she has been very
critical of him since she left the White House. I
believe that she left right after January sixth, and she
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is supposed to be one of those speakers tonight, along
with Arizona Mayor Mesa, Arizona Mayor John Giles, New Mexico's
Governor Michelle Leu Hunt Grisham, Senator Tammy Duckworth out.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Of the Great State of Illinois, Governor JB. Pritzker.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
We actually saw him this morning when he was speaking
before the California delegation right well.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
Also hear from Doug M.
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Hoff, Michelle Obama, and former President Barack Obama.
Speaker 4 (17:41):
You said you've seen Obama speak.
Speaker 2 (17:44):
I don't remember if he was speaking in Philly eight
years ago.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
We did not see him speak in Philly if he did,
but I saw him when he in eight I covered
his campaign events in Los Angeles when I was a
report so I saw him speak a couple of times.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
And he does have it.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
There are these people you've come across he has it.
Arnold Schwarzenegger had it when I covered him when he
was governor up in Sacramento.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
Bill Clinton had it.
Speaker 1 (18:13):
I've seen him speak before where they just kind of
take over a room. They have all the oxygen in
the room. It's just this charisma, it's this powerful presence.
Speaker 4 (18:25):
Other people who have it.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Tiger Woods has it.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
David Beckham as another person who has it. I mean,
there are like superstar athletes that I've met that do
not have it, you know, like Michael Jordan, for example,
didn't have the same kind of magneticism that Tiger had
with a room full of people, which was weird.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
But yeah, there is also a burgeoning group of RFK
Junior supporters who are in Chicago.
Speaker 4 (18:53):
Heard that, So it.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
Says, according to Politico, about a half a dozen RFK
Junior for President supporters their way through the Chicago streets today,
waving a bunch of big flags, pulling in a boom
box and a wagon that was blasting music. Asked if
they were with the Kennedy campaign. One of the people said,
we are with the movement. So they were on their
(19:16):
way to the Bean Sculpture Millennium Park. I'm laughing because
we were supposed.
Speaker 4 (19:23):
To go there and take our pictures.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
But also spotted here are these Nancy Pelosi pins.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Have you seen this?
Speaker 1 (19:30):
No, several Democratic lawmakers spotted wearing these pins honoring Nancy Pelosi.
And it's what is it is the black and white
picture of the Godfather from the cover of the cover
the book, but it says the Godmother with the puppet
strings and then her picture there because, of course, she
(19:50):
stepped down from party leadership two years ago, but still
still handles the gavel, so to speak, she still wields
the gavel. She was one of the main people behind
the orchestration of getting Joe Biden to step down and
get off the ticket.
Speaker 2 (20:06):
Something that happened last night also was that they did
not intend is they went very very late. They went
very late because the speakers went over. There was a
suggestion that in fact they went over because the applause
was so big that the applause was so long for
each of the speakers. At least that was the official
statement from the Democratic National Committee.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
They say they're trying.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
To shorten the program tonight after last night meant that
Biden got bumped from primetime. They're asked to trim their speeches,
make sure they stick to the time limits. AIDS are
even considering making adjustments to the lineups for the rest
of the week so that they can make sure that
they fit in the way they're supposed to be fitting in.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Look at your puppy, I know up be so cute.
Speaker 4 (20:50):
Yep. He loves his little walk. He loves so when
he gets on the grass, he loves to pretend to
It's like a bunny.
Speaker 1 (20:56):
He's almost like a bunny.
Speaker 4 (20:58):
And you can walk as fast as he's running. Yeah,
so you don't.
Speaker 1 (21:02):
You don't actually get but he's kind He kind of
does this thing where he leaps with both the front feet.
Speaker 3 (21:07):
And then the back feet. I got distracted.
Speaker 4 (21:11):
I miss my doctor. You got distracted. All right, we'll continue.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
Gary and Shannon will be right back live a United
Center in Chicago for day two of the Democratic National Convention. Oh,
I wanted to play this before we go. Comments about
our interview with Dean Phillips A short.
Speaker 4 (21:26):
Time, you guys.
Speaker 7 (21:27):
Interesting conversation with Dean Phillips.
Speaker 8 (21:29):
I guess I never took time to really listen to
him in the past, but he seems like he's got
it together and he probably would have been a very
good candidate for president on their side.
Speaker 4 (21:40):
Good conversation.
Speaker 6 (21:41):
I can't wait to hear it all.
Speaker 9 (21:42):
Hey, Gary and Shannon Bill in San Diego enjoyed that
interview with Dean Phillips. That guy seems very smart and informed,
and he's not afraid to talk about how things are rigged. Yeah,
he actually seems like an ethical politician.
Speaker 4 (21:56):
I know, and that is rare, weird.
Speaker 3 (21:59):
It was bizarre to me.
Speaker 10 (22:01):
I was like, what the heck?
Speaker 4 (22:03):
You had positive feelings towards him?
Speaker 1 (22:05):
I had politive feelings toward a politician, and I don't
know if that has happened before.
Speaker 2 (22:11):
Well, I've never said we dislike all politicians. I just
said we generally.
Speaker 1 (22:15):
Well, also, don't you think he's like a died in
the world democrat. I think it's just convenient for him
to be a Democrat. I think he's a true independent.
Speaker 2 (22:24):
I mean, he did go to Brown University, so that's
kind of baked in the cake there, Isn't it.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
A little bit?
Speaker 11 (22:29):
Is it?
Speaker 4 (22:29):
Yeah? I think so.
Speaker 2 (22:30):
Okay, live in Chicago this week for the Democratic National Convention,
among other things that are going on, keeping an eye
on protests. There were about ten arrests. What we saw
from yesterday, there were protesters that made their way towards
the downtown Chicago area, away from United Center, and we're
actually arrested just out about six blocks away from our hotel.
(22:50):
And since that's the center of the universe, we might
as well, you know, put it in that context. Sure,
this morning, we had an opportunity to hang out with
the California delegate breakfast big ballroom one of the hotels downtown,
and they brought in big speakers. I mean they brought
in Josh Shapiro, the governor of Pennsylvania, JB. Pritzker, of
course of governor of Illinois, welcomed everybody to the city
(23:13):
of Chicago, and they had some other speakers that got
up there and addressed them. California delegation probably gets some
of the better speakers, considering it's going to be the
largest delegation in the in the room when later today
Gavin Newsom gives Kamala Harris enough delegates to get the
(23:34):
official nomination.
Speaker 1 (23:34):
They had a nice spread there of breakfast foods and things,
eggs and pastries and muffins and all sorts of things.
And it was funny because when they did the opening
or you know, the welcome thing and like, oh, I
hope you're enjoying your breakfast, you know, get you fueled
up and get the eggs and bacon. And I don't
know if you heard it, but people started shouting.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
No bacon, no bacon, and the guy's like, yeah, sorry
about that. There wasn't bacon, and so.
Speaker 2 (24:01):
Actual baked like national Bacon Day today?
Speaker 3 (24:04):
Oh is it?
Speaker 4 (24:05):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (24:05):
Because I was like at first when I heard them
say no bacon, no bacon, I was like, these are
the Deborah Mark people that just doesn't like you know
me because it's California.
Speaker 4 (24:13):
But that wasn't it.
Speaker 1 (24:14):
They were They were complaining because there was no bacon
this morning.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
Interesting, that's funny. On National Bacon Day, of all days,
they ran out of bacon. So you ran into a
woman named Carolyn Fowler who is one of the delegates,
and you spoke to her.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
What has it been like here? It seems like everyone's
in a great mood.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
People are coming off of the elevators just beaming.
Speaker 8 (24:34):
Talking about joyful warriors. Last night was incredible. All of
the speakers, like the closing decra was Joe, Joe Budd
my Goodness and his daughter and she spoke about him.
Speaker 10 (24:48):
Everybody is crying then living It is fabulous.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
What did that mean to see a visible connection between
Kamala and Joe. She had tears in her eyes. It
seemed like they're really He was unity and the image
that they've been trying to portray.
Speaker 8 (25:04):
No, they have always been close. He has always been
a joyful warrior On his side. They worked together, that's
why he picked her. I think they got that coming
out of you right from the very beginning. And he
I think, as he said, he did a good job.
Speaker 1 (25:20):
What's it like, excitement wise with the Obamas here today?
Speaker 8 (25:24):
Well, actually I haven't seen them yet, so I guess
I'll have to switch.
Speaker 10 (25:28):
I'm still living off of last night. It was so incredible.
Speaker 8 (25:32):
Hillary was amazing, Alc Thomas, swimming Crockett. I mean it
was just like a line if you couldn't believe, you
couldn't pay for and everyone was so on point a
message about their relationships with Kamala who was the genuineness
just unbelievable, really, and I think they m felt it,
(25:53):
and I hope he came across on TV.
Speaker 3 (25:55):
Have you always been very much into politics?
Speaker 10 (25:59):
Yes, I'm a good from Detroit.
Speaker 8 (26:01):
There was a state senator, so as a little girl,
I was stumping envelopes.
Speaker 10 (26:07):
So very much.
Speaker 8 (26:08):
So political family, very hard working working family. My parents
were both union members.
Speaker 3 (26:15):
So thanks in your blood.
Speaker 10 (26:18):
It's in the blood, in the blood and left in women.
Speaker 4 (26:22):
No women, more women.
Speaker 3 (26:26):
She's winking at me the whole time. I know more women, you.
Speaker 1 (26:29):
Know, on the same team, right, and you said, I
don't want nothing to do with any politics, give me
no position.
Speaker 4 (26:35):
You said you'd never vote for a woman. That's not true.
I know that's not true.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
This four day television show continues, of course, and there
are some celebrity.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Faces that have made their way through the crowd.
Speaker 11 (26:45):
Uh.
Speaker 4 (26:45):
Gloria Allread was easy to pick out this morning.
Speaker 8 (26:48):
She was.
Speaker 3 (26:49):
She has a very signature look does she not?
Speaker 2 (26:52):
She definitely does. You also had a chance to corner.
I'm sorry, talk to glory.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
Always been in this game for quite sometime, and a
convention is not new to you.
Speaker 10 (27:03):
That's right.
Speaker 12 (27:03):
I love politics because it's a blood sport.
Speaker 3 (27:08):
Yeah, it's your game, it is.
Speaker 11 (27:10):
That's what I do as a lawyer as well as
a lawyer, I fight for my clients.
Speaker 10 (27:15):
What's it right to look at? I fight for people.
Speaker 11 (27:19):
And good government, government with integrity, government where we see
world leadership, where we see people who really care about
the vulnerable, that people who don't have a voice but
who have great need.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Kamala the first woman on a winning ticket and now
the first woman at the top of a ticket. What's
that like for somebody who has been entrenched in women's
rights and empowerment for decades.
Speaker 11 (27:50):
A Shannon, We've always said in the women's movement that
a woman's place is in the house. We used to
mean the House of Representative. Now a woman's place is
in the house, a white house.
Speaker 1 (28:05):
I got to ask you because I covered it twenty
years ago and it's been in the news with all
these new documentaries, Scott Peterson issue is pre surfaced.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
What's your thoughts on that?
Speaker 11 (28:16):
Well, if you can prove that he's factually innocent, he
should be able to do that.
Speaker 10 (28:21):
I don't think he can do that.
Speaker 11 (28:24):
The judge has denied all of his requests for testing
DNA except for one request, and we'll see what that produces.
Speaker 10 (28:33):
Just because the La Innocence Project.
Speaker 11 (28:36):
Which is not the same as the National Innocence Project.
Speaker 10 (28:40):
Has taken his case, does it mean that they will prevail?
Maybe they will, maybe they won't.
Speaker 1 (28:45):
Does it bother you that it seems a focus of
all these new documentaries is more on Scott and not
about Lacy and Connor?
Speaker 11 (28:52):
Well, I think the Murder of Lacy Peterson does focus
on Lacy Peterson. But as you know, I represented he
still represent Amber Fry, the.
Speaker 10 (29:04):
Key prosecution witness who was in a relationship with.
Speaker 12 (29:12):
Scott Peterson, not knowing he was married and said he
wasn't married.
Speaker 3 (29:15):
And instrumental in calling the cops and saying of.
Speaker 10 (29:18):
That, well, yes, and.
Speaker 11 (29:22):
Even more importantly agreeable when law enforcement requested it to
secretly take him and court his conversations.
Speaker 12 (29:33):
And I think her courage, because she was a great
was harm living alone as a single mom, her young child,
with no police protection, which she never had.
Speaker 10 (29:47):
But she did it because she loves in the cause
of justice.
Speaker 12 (29:51):
So I'm very proud of her, proud to have represented
her all these years, and through.
Speaker 11 (29:55):
The trial, everyone said she was heroic and did what
she needed to do during the trial.
Speaker 10 (30:03):
Came across very honest, very incredible.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
During Yeah, she was a good witness.
Speaker 11 (30:09):
And she always says she'll do it the air and
pictures your bumps.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
Now, let me get back to my eggs, she said,
to be in there, all right, still an hour.
Speaker 4 (30:20):
To come here.
Speaker 2 (30:21):
On the show, day two of the Democratic National Convention
in Chicago, we're going to be talking with ABC's Jim
Ryan right after the news about what's going on with
the protests outside. You've been listening to the Gary and
Shannon Show, you can always hear us live on KFI
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