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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. What are you Dean Sharp?
Speaker 2 (00:09):
A part of me is yes, as a matter of fact,
you've seen me wear a cardigan.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
That's true. You're actually kind of wearing a Dean shirt
right now.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
This is what you gave. You gave me this jacket.
This is a present from you, this jacket. Are yelling because.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You didn't say when you got it for me. Oh, look,
you're going to look like Dean Sharp.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I didn't mean that. You don't look like No, Dean
Sharp looks great. I know.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That's the other part about it is why would you
say it with such disparaging tones.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
We've gotten called out on our genital talk by two
people today, which part of it just that we're bringing
them up a lot. We didn't bring up them. We
brought up genitals quite a few times.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Nancy Mace brought up to general. Sure, you're just reporting
on the fact that she.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Brought them up from South Carolina, that's where she's from. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I screwed that up.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
That's okay. I mean there's a there's multiple Carolinas. I
mean there's fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
What else is going on?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Time four?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
What's happening well tomorrow? Water damage, fire damage, burglary, call,
public adjuster, Abner gas nine seven five, my heartfelt apologies.
Tomorrow is a big day for Ralph Maccio, finally getting
his star on the Hollywood Walk.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Of That's what we're leading with. Huh r. Vladimir Putin says,
I'm gonna use my nukes.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But yeah, Arate, not just Karate Kid, the Outsiders, Crossroads,
Ugly Betty, my cousin Vinnie, and of course the runaway
success that is Cobra Kai Ah.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I stopped watching that.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I did too. I stopped a couple seasons ago.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Part of what bothered me about it was it's an
Atlanta based production.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Oh okay, and you like your show's filmed in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And I don't know everything about LA, but I know
that those kinds of trees do not grow here.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Or yeah, when they pretend that it's La.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
When they recreated mister Miagi's backyard, they didn't even bother
to do it anywhere in Los Angeles. Yeah, I mean
that that was what bothered me. One of the things
that bothered me about.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, we told you about that alleged missing woman yesterday,
you know, Hanna Kobyashi. She was on her way from
Hawaii to New York. Stops in Los Angeles. Her family
doesn't hear from her for a few days. But she
spotted at you know, Lebron James event. She's spotted at
the Grove shopping I think she just wants to live
(02:52):
her life. She's thirty one years old. They said that
they do have one new detail that has led them
to where she may be. They did see footage of
her in downtown LA near the Pico Metro station. They
say she's seen with somebody else and she did not
look well. Family, This is a woman who wants to
(03:15):
go live her life. Well, the one she doesn't want
to be found by.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The only thing that I agree with about sixty five
percent of that, Okay, the other thirty five percent is
this this text messages that she had been sending where
she referred to feeling scared that someone might have been
trying to steal her money and her identity. Stuff about
the matrix that he said it was very unlike her.
(03:40):
And then all of a sudden no more communication. That's
that would be the lingering doubt that I have about
this just being somebody else.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
We talked about the matrix on this show last week.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We also didn't doesn't make me cREL so went to
our respective homes and didn't run away.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Okay, that's true.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I mean if I start talking about the matrix and
then didn't show up to work tomorrow and that was
the last thing I talked about, would.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You not alarm me? I would not alarm me.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Who would you think happened to me?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Well, I would think that something came up.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, like you.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And then my wife was like, hey, I haven't seen
him all day? Did he do How did he seem
when he left work? And You're like, well, he did
start talking about the matrix.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You know, all the dumb crap you talk about on
the regular.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I can hear it. If that's what you're asking.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yes, So, I mean like mentioning the matrix would not
be would not rise to the level. I wouldn't even
remember that you mentioned the matrix.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
What if I talked about Lord of the Rings and
how much I love those movies.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Everyone loved those movies.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
No, I didn't love those You didn't love those movies,
those are right up your alley. No, there's a midget
in one, right, there's a little magic guy.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Why wouldn't you watch Lord of the Rings. I would
you should watch them all back to back to back.
That whole fantasy genre thing is not my deal at all.
Oh oh, the fantasy thing is not your deal. So
Yoda is super plausible and dark Vader and in space
option and the sore the light up swords, those are
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super not what.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
The light up swords? Is that what you call them?
A light up sword?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Well, those are also not found in the real world.
So I'm sorry that you know you're not down with
the dwarves and Lord of the Rings, which are also
in the real world. Dwarves are real.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
US News and World Report has released its twenty twenty
five Best Cruise Lines ranking.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Do you see why bringing up the matrix would not
trouble me?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Viking Ocean Cruises top three categories, Best Luxury cruise Line,
Best Cruise Lines for Couples, Best cruise Lines in the Mediterranean.
Disney made a pretty strong showing it's number one position
for best cruise line for Families, Best cruise line in
the Caribbean. Do you know what I don't see in
the top three of any of these proto baggins princess cruises.
(06:12):
Speaking of princess cruises, is having a diarrhea cruise right now.
I've been on princess cruises. I have also, and I
had a great time, no doubt. I don't have a
plan to go back anytime.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
It's a very strong stomach.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Of the eighteen hundred passengers on board, fifty five of
them reported being ill during the voyage because of a
neurovirus outbreak. Fifteen of the nine hundred crew members also
according to the CDC.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I went on a viking cruise. It was awful. It
was a river cruise. It was the first of the season.
The cabin was water level, so you could just see
the detritis. Oh, and my parents were in the next
cabin over yelling at each other. The walls were really thin.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Oh, don't tell me anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Chigella, schinella.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
All right up next, you do some of these stories
to trigger me. This is a woman that's going to
trigger me.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, she already has and this is just her latest surfacing.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
A good follow up on the triggering This is.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
The woman who makes thousands and thousands of dollars a
year for consulting with people about what they're going to
name their baby. A baby named consultant. I thought YouTube
influencer was a made up job. I mean, it's not
clearly people make money at it. It's possible somebody out
(07:38):
there is going to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I suppose Donald Trump and Elon Musk have been basically
inseparable since the election. Today, Trump is headed to Texas
to watch one of Elon Musk's companies tests it's starship rocket,
and if it's successful, the rocket's reusable booster will be
caught back at the launchpad. This is really the closest
(08:00):
relationship it seems like Trump has had in the last
several weeks. Of course, Moscue has been helping shape this
new administration. He's positioned in a way that might also
be able to help his own companies could have billions
of dollars in federal contracts. He routinely deals with government
regulators as well. The Osprey V twenty two back in
(08:21):
the air after being grounded for months following a crash
last November that killed eight US service members in Japan.
Still questions about whether it should be back in the air.
What's interesting is that experts have said that it can
struggle to maintain lift to fly like a helicopter that
it needs. But one of the greatest advocates for the
(08:42):
V twenty two osprey is the pilots of some of it,
they say, because it can fly to where others can't
to help rescue troops when necessary too.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
There's no crossover between Raba mac and Tyre and Diane
Keaton yet, two pretty different worlds.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But hey, Christmas is coming.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
When I think Diane Keaton, I think like Manhattan. You
know that's Woody Allen movies, And I think Riba. I
don't think Manhattant Nashville. Yeah, all right, okay, So there
was a baby name consultant on the Today Show. I
love these stories because we lose our minds over the
occupation of a baby name consultant. This woman's name is Colleen,
(09:31):
and she went on the Today Show to talk about
the few aspects of the baby naming process that give
her the ick. Baby name consultants, by the way, services
range from a list of names to something more personalized.
A list of names will cost you fifteen hundred dollars
(09:54):
in most of these circles. If you want something more personalized,
ten grand.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I honestly think we have between the two of us
enough life experience, enough creativity.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I would love to name a baby. If you've got
a baby and the cooker that we could offer up,
I would love to come up.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
With a link service. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Absolutely, You know what, should we not have jobs much
longer here, which is probably you never know, nobody else
has jobs here, we could start.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
This baby naming service gas baby naming. I mean we
might have a problem with naming the business itself. Oh,
we don't have a name. We don't have a problem
to name in your baby. You want to change it
to sag No, I'm.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Not saying that. I'm just saying we need something.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
That we need a good name for our company. If
we're going to be in the business of naming babies.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
What about leg up baby naming?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
No, because then you think of a woman giving birth.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
With the leg up. No, like you give your kid
a leg up in life.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I still don't like the leg up because the legs
got to go up when the pain happens, like baby pushing.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Best chance baby naming that.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Makes it sound like the kid did not have the
best chance.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, we don't know what they look like.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Sometimes the best chance sounds like an after school program
for troubled children. Best chance. How about third base?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
That's good?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, that's good, and born on third Get some sports
analogies in there.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Hell yeah, we will. How about we only name boys.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Who are switch hitters?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So she says overly matched names like Lila and Layla.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
She has a.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Colleen has a three letter rule. No, two kids should
have the same three letters overlapping in their name, like
Emerson and Madison. Both of my kids have a i's
and v's in their name. I wonder if she would
have approved that.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Oh interesting, I never realized that before.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
V is not a very common letter first name.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Right, you should do more with the V around the house,
Like what I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Know, Okay, we'll find out.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Just saying your hypothetical baby's name out loud does not
give you the soul right to use it to come
out there she Nope, I got it, she said. I
do think there are times when you can't claim a name.
But if someone has told you a name and then
you go and use it because you got the idea
from them.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I think it's messed up.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, of course you do, Colleen. Everyone thinks it's messed.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Up unusual spellings.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
She says she's not a fan when people take a
prefix and a suffix and slap them together. For example, Lee,
L E, I, G H at the end of multiple names.
That's my wife's middle name.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
That's my middle name too. Is it really? Yep, that's real.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
It's a great name.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
And it's a surprise too.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
When you say it that that's your middle name, they
go oh l ee and you say nay, right, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
That's that's like my middle name Anne.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Is there an e?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
You're damn right, there is surprise.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
You're gonna have to change the tattoo design. Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Don't critique a baby name without being asked. How about
just don't critique a baby name. Do you know why
even if you're asked?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Do you want to know why my middle name is
Anne with an e? Because when I was living off
the land, my foster mother called me Annie because of
little orphan Annie.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
But not Annie. That's not your middle name.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
No, Back when you were this was back in the
breast milk desert.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, it's three months. No breast milk, well, never any
breast milk, but definitely you know, those three those first
three months, it was a rough road to hoe.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You didn't have formula either, she had.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I'm sure they gave me something, Deborah, I don't know
what it was.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Did she gave you a handful of cheer that provides you.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
With long term brain problems? Probably give you all those
processed foods with all that bad food coloring.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
She finally says, using your dad or mom or grandpa's
name is like not giving your child their own original identity.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I think that's hogwash.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
My brother in law is a Roger the third, His
son is Roger the fourth. There's no such thing that.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Is that is Tara diddl? What Tara didal?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
That's a new word. So I'm gonna get a new
calendar or something like that.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It's a British word that means boloney. I think family names,
names that are in the family are great. Your your
name is in the family.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Supposedly, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I still think there was a missed opportunity for you
to name your daughter Dixie.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That would have been pretty good.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
If you start talking about the matrix, we're just gonna
think that you got in the hard mountain dews and just.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Need a day to recovery. Yeah, but those were not great.
I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's that's ultra. That's a lot of sugar, that's a
lot of everything. Hard mountain dew. There's a lot of
things have gone pretty south. And I don't mean that
in the capital s southern part of the United States.
Things have gone south. If you're searching out mountain hard
mountain dews after trying them like I tried them, I'm
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not going to search them out anymore.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Ready, this is cute.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
My my buddy Scott works on the sideline with me, says.
My new granddaughter's name is eleanor his name Scott, right,
her middle name is Scott. That's cool. Maybe one of
your kids will when they name their kids, it'll be
like something like Eliza. I don't know where Eliza came from.
(16:04):
Or no, maybe maybe you throw in another v maybe
my Vivian Gary. My daughter names her kid Dixie. That
would be cool.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Okay, you're very excited about all of this.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I'm excited for your grandchildren. It's time for True Crime Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
The story is true. That's true.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
No, it sounds made up. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Gary and Shannon present True Crime.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Well, there was an article in the New York Times
this morning why women find watching true crime comforting.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
That's my favorite things got killed.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
On Saturday Night Live had this song called murder Show
when Nick Jonas was on the show, and it talks
all about how women sit around and once their husbands
leave or their men leave, they flip on the TV
and watch a murder show of some kind.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
The woman who wrote this article in the New York
Times says sometimes she even hums that song when she
turns on Dateline. She the woman who wrote this opinion piece,
it's basically, I'm so depressed about the election. I want
something comforting, so I watch murder shows. But she does
(17:30):
talk about the theories, and I've read these before in
academic papers and otherwise where women are by and large
drawn to the genre more than men because women need
to protect themselves. It goes back to you know, the
caveman days and protecting yourself and men were you know,
you were afraid men were going to kill you. We're
(17:52):
usually less powerful physically than men are, I would argue,
always less powerful physically than men are, so that by
understanding the psychology of you horrible men murderers, Hey, I
mean the psychology of criminals. We can better avoid them.
We can see what the red flags are that would
(18:13):
lead to us not being safe.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
She actually comes at it from a different angle. She says,
that kind of thinking never resonated for me. It wasn't
until I was processing anger about the election that I
could finally explain to myself why I find the genre
so irresistible. So you kind of get the tack as
to where she's coming from. She said, most of the
true crime I watch reflects a black and white moral
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universe where victims ultimately get justice, even if it's delayed.
And she said specifically she does not like the true
true crime genre of our subgenre where the mystery is
never solved, specifically the show Unsolved Mysteries, she said, because
it doesn't have resolution for the family or for the victim,
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and says I find it devastating. She said, my favorite
true crime does not just show good people doing their jobs.
It celebrates the emotional and the intuitive. Victims, including their families,
often have hunches about their perpetrators that elude law enforcement
and defy norms. But see to me, that's exactly she's
pointing out exactly what you were saying earlier, that she's
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looking for this confirmation bias, that whatever hunch she has
about a bad person must be true because it's her
gut that's telling her right.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Which I'm with her. I did like Unsolved Mysteries when
that was the only fair available, Like growing up, that
was the only true crime stuff really on that I
knew about, right, and I loved it, and I couldn't
figure out why. And now that I think about it, Yeah,
you need a beginning, a middle, and an end with
your true crime stuff. That's the most satisfying. I have
noticed that there's a what was it called a bliss
(19:59):
point with the processed foods. There's a bliss point with
me that if you go over it, if you put
too much horror in the true crime, I can't. I
can't stomach it. Like I started listening to a true
crime podcast and it was such a brutal murder. I
couldn't get over it. I still can't wipe it from
my memory. And it was like, okay, give me murder,
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but make it, you know, not sanitize it, not too much.
I think it's why I like Ryan Murphy's adaptations of
true crime and things because he kind of makes it sparkle.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Well, maybe you start a podcast that's called The Palatable Murder. Oh,
you know, it's easier to digest that way. Oh there's
my log line. You know what I do?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Welcome?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Are you going to write that down? You don't seem
to be writing it down at all. It's right here
now and that steel trap. Do you call your wife darling?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Do I call my wife darling?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I've heard you call her darling?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Not often if I do?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well, why what happened? Nothing? I was just wondering. I
just saw somebody call somebody darling, and I was like, huh.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I think I do it to be ironic.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Ah, maybe that's what that's what he's doing too.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Oh well, as we continue our true Crime Tuesday, there's
a checklist of things you might want to, you know,
think about when you are looking at your uncle over
Thanksgiving dinner next week.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Friends, Why is it always the uncle that gets a
bad rap. It's always the uncle who's like the weird guy.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
He's the right age, it's a he. What else do
you want?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Forensic criminologist Laura Brandt has interviewed more than fifty serial
killers and identified and outlined the multiple phases each of
them goes through before committing their crime. Space one fantasy
go on. A person may become obsessed with these thoughts
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or others that focus on control, dominance, and violence.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Uh other common themes aggression, sexual gratification, power, manipulation, revenge, retribution.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
So basically be born a man.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Well, but also doing something about it.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
A lot of times they'll write stories about it, they'll
draw pictures of it, they'll use some other sort of
expressive medium to play out this fantasy that you've developed.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Phase two the planning, the preparation. What are the logistics
of enacting out this fantasy that I've thought about, obsessed
about and maybe even drawn.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, I mean even at level two or step two,
you're not a convinced serial killer, but you start thinking, well,
if I was right a serial killer, who would I
target and how would I go after them?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Phase three is the stalking, the hunting. This is the
favorite stage because anti a patient. As Carly Simon said,
serial killers.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Search the other very well known criminal forensic psychologists.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yes, serial killers search for potential victims. More specifically, they
may watch or follow an individual wait for the ideal
opportunity to strike. They may also test the boundaries of
their victim, going as far to contact them through email,
fake online profiles, social media. Is getting kind of scary.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
It is getting a little Yeah. Phase four is capture.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I feel like we've got some people that have gotten
into phase three.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
We oh, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah again. I'm I'm somewhere
between three and four probably, but four is capture. Some
serial killers may attempt to kill their victim immediately. Others
choose to take them to a predetermined place and take
their life later.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Do you know who your victim is right now?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
What is phase five?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Phase five is a murder, the murder, strangulation, stabbing, shooting,
lunt force, trauma, what's in your pocket?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
My phone?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Oh, drowning, suffocation.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I am not on this list, Just so you know.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
After they kill, they feel an intense emotional release, a
sense of power accomplishment. It's like that god like ability,
like I took a life. Yeah I was powerful enough
to do that. Phase six is something I know you already.
You've skipped around these I have.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I mean, you don't want to do them in order,
because then that draws too much attention right In this
case disposal, Most serial killers will have planned a way
to dispose of their victim, to try to hide evidence
or any incriminating material that would obviously tie them to
the crime.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
You could create a fake.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Alibi or a false trail to confuse the police investigation.
This is also where of the outsized self love perhaps exists.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I don't mean in a weird way.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I just mean these people think they're better than the police.
So this disposal phase, you know, hiding your trail phase,
they get as much excitement out of that because it's
you know, they're proving to themselves how much more Uh,
it's intelligent they are than the police that would be
investigating them, Which you love.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I didn't say that you love that you didn't see me.
I know exactly what you're thinking. That's why you've spent
so much time in phase six Face. Do you know
exactly in the desert where you're going to leave the bodies?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
What I tell you if I knew exactly, Because you.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Put a lot of time into phase six face, because
that does appeal to you.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Phase seven outsmarting the authorities. I don't need to doubt
smart the authorities no, you don't. Is rebirth the referral stage,
the killer likely experiences an emotional crash, could suffer from depression. Again,
this forensic criminologist says that the killer would now have
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a need for reassurance and some validation. So maybe they
begin back, they go back to step one and start
over with this new fantasy and this new plan.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Do you think they like the killing part? Not because
they like the killing part, but because they've planned it
so meticulously, and then they go through the planet actually works,
and it's like the body and the person are just
kind of collateral damage of them taking their plan and
to execute it.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I'm no expert in forensic criminology like Laura brand Is,
but the books that I've read about whether it's.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Would you say true detective type stuff?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, yeah, Well I just mean that I'm not planning,
I'm just reading.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
She said ninety six percent of serial killers she spoke
to used true detective magazines during the fantasy phase. That
it was addictive, it gave them a sense of euphoria
or high.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Well, it's also because again going back to this.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Oh my god, you're not unlike the Green River killer.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, that's the guy I was going to say, is
he sometimes would apologize.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, you're like you are you fit that mold? And
here's a fun wrinkle. You covered that case and do
you remember when you talk about a fantasy phase, do.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
You remember what his name was.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Gary Ridgeway? And now you know the rest of the story.
Jim Harva did a Paul Harvey when you're talking to
Matt and DJ.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Oh, good for him.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
All right, Well, John Cobelt Show is coming up next
stick around. Of course, Michael Monks is gonna have all
the coverage of the LA City counts will and their
decision today whether or not to declare themselves a sanctuary.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
So I think you can end the sentence that sentence
specifically with Michael Monks will have all the coverage period done.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
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Speaker 2 (28:16):
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A part of me is yes, as a matter of fact,
you've seen me wear a cardigan.
Speaker 1 (00:14):
That's true. You're actually kind of wearing a Dean shirt
right now.
Speaker 3 (00:18):
This is what you gave. You gave me this jacket.
This is a present from you, this jacket. Are yelling because.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
You didn't say when you got it for me. Oh, look,
you're going to look like Dean Sharp.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
I didn't mean that. You don't look like No, Dean
Sharp looks great. I know.
Speaker 2 (00:36):
That's the other part about it is why would you
say it with such disparaging tones.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
We've gotten called out on our genital talk by two
people today, which part of it just that we're bringing
them up a lot. We didn't bring up them. We
brought up genitals quite a few times.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Nancy Mace brought up to general. Sure, you're just reporting
on the fact that she.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Brought them up from South Carolina, that's where she's from. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
I screwed that up.
Speaker 3 (01:01):
That's okay. I mean there's a there's multiple Carolinas. I
mean there's fifty to fifty.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
What else is going on?
Speaker 3 (01:12):
Time four?
Speaker 2 (01:13):
What's happening well tomorrow? Water damage, fire damage, burglary, call,
public adjuster, Abner gas nine seven five, my heartfelt apologies.
Tomorrow is a big day for Ralph Maccio, finally getting
his star on the Hollywood Walk.
Speaker 1 (01:34):
Of That's what we're leading with. Huh r. Vladimir Putin says,
I'm gonna use my nukes.
Speaker 2 (01:41):
But yeah, Arate, not just Karate Kid, the Outsiders, Crossroads,
Ugly Betty, my cousin Vinnie, and of course the runaway
success that is Cobra Kai Ah.
Speaker 3 (01:56):
I stopped watching that.
Speaker 1 (01:57):
I did too. I stopped a couple seasons ago.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Part of what bothered me about it was it's an
Atlanta based production.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
Oh okay, and you like your show's filmed in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2 (02:09):
And I don't know everything about LA, but I know
that those kinds of trees do not grow here.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Or yeah, when they pretend that it's La.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
When they recreated mister Miagi's backyard, they didn't even bother
to do it anywhere in Los Angeles. Yeah, I mean
that that was what bothered me. One of the things
that bothered me about.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Well, we told you about that alleged missing woman yesterday,
you know, Hanna Kobyashi. She was on her way from
Hawaii to New York. Stops in Los Angeles. Her family
doesn't hear from her for a few days. But she
spotted at you know, Lebron James event. She's spotted at
the Grove shopping I think she just wants to live
(02:52):
her life. She's thirty one years old. They said that
they do have one new detail that has led them
to where she may be. They did see footage of
her in downtown LA near the Pico Metro station. They
say she's seen with somebody else and she did not
look well. Family, This is a woman who wants to
(03:15):
go live her life. Well, the one she doesn't want
to be found by.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
The only thing that I agree with about sixty five
percent of that, Okay, the other thirty five percent is
this this text messages that she had been sending where
she referred to feeling scared that someone might have been
trying to steal her money and her identity. Stuff about
the matrix that he said it was very unlike her.
(03:40):
And then all of a sudden no more communication. That's
that would be the lingering doubt that I have about
this just being somebody else.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
We talked about the matrix on this show last week.
Speaker 2 (03:50):
We also didn't doesn't make me cREL so went to
our respective homes and didn't run away.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
Okay, that's true.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I mean if I start talking about the matrix and
then didn't show up to work tomorrow and that was
the last thing I talked about, would.
Speaker 1 (04:05):
You not alarm me? I would not alarm me.
Speaker 3 (04:09):
Who would you think happened to me?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
Well, I would think that something came up.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
Yeah, like you.
Speaker 2 (04:17):
And then my wife was like, hey, I haven't seen
him all day? Did he do How did he seem
when he left work? And You're like, well, he did
start talking about the matrix.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
You know, all the dumb crap you talk about on
the regular.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
I can hear it. If that's what you're asking.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
Yes, So, I mean like mentioning the matrix would not
be would not rise to the level. I wouldn't even
remember that you mentioned the matrix.
Speaker 3 (04:40):
What if I talked about Lord of the Rings and
how much I love those movies.
Speaker 1 (04:45):
Everyone loved those movies.
Speaker 2 (04:46):
No, I didn't love those You didn't love those movies,
those are right up your alley. No, there's a midget
in one, right, there's a little magic guy.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
Why wouldn't you watch Lord of the Rings. I would
you should watch them all back to back to back.
That whole fantasy genre thing is not my deal at all.
Oh oh, the fantasy thing is not your deal. So
Yoda is super plausible and dark Vader and in space
option and the sore the light up swords, those are
(05:19):
super not what.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
The light up swords? Is that what you call them?
A light up sword?
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Well, those are also not found in the real world.
So I'm sorry that you know you're not down with
the dwarves and Lord of the Rings, which are also
in the real world. Dwarves are real.
Speaker 2 (05:42):
US News and World Report has released its twenty twenty
five Best Cruise Lines ranking.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Do you see why bringing up the matrix would not
trouble me?
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Viking Ocean Cruises top three categories, Best Luxury cruise Line,
Best Cruise Lines for Couples, Best cruise Lines in the Mediterranean.
Disney made a pretty strong showing it's number one position
for best cruise line for Families, Best cruise line in
the Caribbean. Do you know what I don't see in
the top three of any of these proto baggins princess cruises.
(06:12):
Speaking of princess cruises, is having a diarrhea cruise right now.
I've been on princess cruises. I have also, and I
had a great time, no doubt. I don't have a
plan to go back anytime.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
It's a very strong stomach.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Of the eighteen hundred passengers on board, fifty five of
them reported being ill during the voyage because of a
neurovirus outbreak. Fifteen of the nine hundred crew members also
according to the CDC.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
I went on a viking cruise. It was awful. It
was a river cruise. It was the first of the season.
The cabin was water level, so you could just see
the detritis. Oh, and my parents were in the next
cabin over yelling at each other. The walls were really thin.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Oh, don't tell me anymore.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Chigella, schinella.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
All right up next, you do some of these stories
to trigger me. This is a woman that's going to
trigger me.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Well, she already has and this is just her latest surfacing.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
A good follow up on the triggering This is.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
The woman who makes thousands and thousands of dollars a
year for consulting with people about what they're going to
name their baby. A baby named consultant. I thought YouTube
influencer was a made up job. I mean, it's not
clearly people make money at it. It's possible somebody out
(07:38):
there is going to pay for it.
Speaker 2 (07:39):
I suppose Donald Trump and Elon Musk have been basically
inseparable since the election. Today, Trump is headed to Texas
to watch one of Elon Musk's companies tests it's starship rocket,
and if it's successful, the rocket's reusable booster will be
caught back at the launchpad. This is really the closest
(08:00):
relationship it seems like Trump has had in the last
several weeks. Of course, Moscue has been helping shape this
new administration. He's positioned in a way that might also
be able to help his own companies could have billions
of dollars in federal contracts. He routinely deals with government
regulators as well. The Osprey V twenty two back in
(08:21):
the air after being grounded for months following a crash
last November that killed eight US service members in Japan.
Still questions about whether it should be back in the air.
What's interesting is that experts have said that it can
struggle to maintain lift to fly like a helicopter that
it needs. But one of the greatest advocates for the
(08:42):
V twenty two osprey is the pilots of some of it,
they say, because it can fly to where others can't
to help rescue troops when necessary too.
Speaker 1 (08:51):
There's no crossover between Raba mac and Tyre and Diane
Keaton yet, two pretty different worlds.
Speaker 3 (09:01):
But hey, Christmas is coming.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
When I think Diane Keaton, I think like Manhattan. You
know that's Woody Allen movies, And I think Riba. I
don't think Manhattant Nashville. Yeah, all right, okay, So there
was a baby name consultant on the Today Show. I
love these stories because we lose our minds over the
occupation of a baby name consultant. This woman's name is Colleen,
(09:31):
and she went on the Today Show to talk about
the few aspects of the baby naming process that give
her the ick. Baby name consultants, by the way, services
range from a list of names to something more personalized.
A list of names will cost you fifteen hundred dollars
(09:54):
in most of these circles. If you want something more personalized,
ten grand.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
I honestly think we have between the two of us
enough life experience, enough creativity.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
I would love to name a baby. If you've got
a baby and the cooker that we could offer up,
I would love to come up.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
With a link service. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
Absolutely, You know what, should we not have jobs much
longer here, which is probably you never know, nobody else
has jobs here, we could start.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
This baby naming service gas baby naming. I mean we
might have a problem with naming the business itself. Oh,
we don't have a name. We don't have a problem
to name in your baby. You want to change it
to sag No, I'm.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Not saying that. I'm just saying we need something.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
That we need a good name for our company. If
we're going to be in the business of naming babies.
Speaker 3 (10:48):
What about leg up baby naming?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
No, because then you think of a woman giving birth.
Speaker 3 (10:53):
With the leg up. No, like you give your kid
a leg up in life.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
I still don't like the leg up because the legs
got to go up when the pain happens, like baby pushing.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Best chance baby naming that.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
Makes it sound like the kid did not have the
best chance.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Well, we don't know what they look like.
Speaker 1 (11:12):
Sometimes the best chance sounds like an after school program
for troubled children. Best chance. How about third base?
Speaker 3 (11:21):
That's good?
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Yeah, that's good, and born on third Get some sports
analogies in there.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
Hell yeah, we will. How about we only name boys.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
Who are switch hitters?
Speaker 2 (11:37):
So she says overly matched names like Lila and Layla.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
She has a.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
Colleen has a three letter rule. No, two kids should
have the same three letters overlapping in their name, like
Emerson and Madison. Both of my kids have a i's
and v's in their name. I wonder if she would
have approved that.
Speaker 1 (12:05):
Oh interesting, I never realized that before.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
V is not a very common letter first name.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Right, you should do more with the V around the house,
Like what I don't.
Speaker 3 (12:17):
Know, Okay, we'll find out.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
Just saying your hypothetical baby's name out loud does not
give you the soul right to use it to come
out there she Nope, I got it, she said. I
do think there are times when you can't claim a name.
But if someone has told you a name and then
you go and use it because you got the idea
from them.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
I think it's messed up.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Well, of course you do, Colleen. Everyone thinks it's messed.
Speaker 3 (12:41):
Up unusual spellings.
Speaker 2 (12:46):
She says she's not a fan when people take a
prefix and a suffix and slap them together. For example, Lee,
L E, I, G H at the end of multiple names.
That's my wife's middle name.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
That's my middle name too. Is it really? Yep, that's real.
Speaker 1 (13:01):
It's a great name.
Speaker 3 (13:02):
And it's a surprise too.
Speaker 2 (13:04):
When you say it that that's your middle name, they
go oh l ee and you say nay, right, it's.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
That's that's like my middle name Anne.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
Is there an e?
Speaker 1 (13:15):
You're damn right, there is surprise.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
You're gonna have to change the tattoo design. Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Don't critique a baby name without being asked. How about
just don't critique a baby name. Do you know why
even if you're asked?
Speaker 1 (13:29):
Do you want to know why my middle name is
Anne with an e? Because when I was living off
the land, my foster mother called me Annie because of
little orphan Annie.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
But not Annie. That's not your middle name.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
No, Back when you were this was back in the
breast milk desert.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
Yeah, it's three months. No breast milk, well, never any
breast milk, but definitely you know, those three those first
three months, it was a rough road to hoe.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
You didn't have formula either, she had.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
I'm sure they gave me something, Deborah, I don't know
what it was.
Speaker 3 (14:08):
Did she gave you a handful of cheer that provides you.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
With long term brain problems? Probably give you all those
processed foods with all that bad food coloring.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
She finally says, using your dad or mom or grandpa's
name is like not giving your child their own original identity.
Speaker 1 (14:28):
I think that's hogwash.
Speaker 3 (14:30):
My brother in law is a Roger the third, His
son is Roger the fourth. There's no such thing that.
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Is that is Tara diddl? What Tara didal?
Speaker 3 (14:42):
That's a new word. So I'm gonna get a new
calendar or something like that.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
It's a British word that means boloney. I think family names,
names that are in the family are great. Your your
name is in the family.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
Supposedly, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:56):
I still think there was a missed opportunity for you
to name your daughter Dixie.
Speaker 3 (15:01):
That would have been pretty good.
Speaker 2 (15:03):
If you start talking about the matrix, we're just gonna
think that you got in the hard mountain dews and just.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Need a day to recovery. Yeah, but those were not great.
I gotta tell you.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
That's that's ultra. That's a lot of sugar, that's a
lot of everything. Hard mountain dew. There's a lot of
things have gone pretty south. And I don't mean that
in the capital s southern part of the United States.
Things have gone south. If you're searching out mountain hard
mountain dews after trying them like I tried them, I'm
(15:34):
not going to search them out anymore.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
Ready, this is cute.
Speaker 1 (15:42):
My my buddy Scott works on the sideline with me, says.
My new granddaughter's name is eleanor his name Scott, right,
her middle name is Scott. That's cool. Maybe one of
your kids will when they name their kids, it'll be
like something like Eliza. I don't know where Eliza came from.
(16:04):
Or no, maybe maybe you throw in another v maybe
my Vivian Gary. My daughter names her kid Dixie. That
would be cool.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Okay, you're very excited about all of this.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
I'm excited for your grandchildren. It's time for True Crime Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
The story is true. That's true.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
No, it sounds made up. I don't know.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
Gary and Shannon present True Crime.
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Well, there was an article in the New York Times
this morning why women find watching true crime comforting.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
That's my favorite things got killed.
Speaker 2 (16:54):
On Saturday Night Live had this song called murder Show
when Nick Jonas was on the show, and it talks
all about how women sit around and once their husbands
leave or their men leave, they flip on the TV
and watch a murder show of some kind.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
The woman who wrote this article in the New York
Times says sometimes she even hums that song when she
turns on Dateline. She the woman who wrote this opinion piece,
it's basically, I'm so depressed about the election. I want
something comforting, so I watch murder shows. But she does
(17:30):
talk about the theories, and I've read these before in
academic papers and otherwise where women are by and large
drawn to the genre more than men because women need
to protect themselves. It goes back to you know, the
caveman days and protecting yourself and men were you know,
you were afraid men were going to kill you. We're
(17:52):
usually less powerful physically than men are, I would argue,
always less powerful physically than men are, so that by
understanding the psychology of you horrible men murderers, Hey, I
mean the psychology of criminals. We can better avoid them.
We can see what the red flags are that would
(18:13):
lead to us not being safe.
Speaker 2 (18:19):
She actually comes at it from a different angle. She says,
that kind of thinking never resonated for me. It wasn't
until I was processing anger about the election that I
could finally explain to myself why I find the genre
so irresistible. So you kind of get the tack as
to where she's coming from. She said, most of the
true crime I watch reflects a black and white moral
(18:41):
universe where victims ultimately get justice, even if it's delayed.
And she said specifically she does not like the true
true crime genre of our subgenre where the mystery is
never solved, specifically the show Unsolved Mysteries, she said, because
it doesn't have resolution for the family or for the victim,
(19:05):
and says I find it devastating. She said, my favorite
true crime does not just show good people doing their jobs.
It celebrates the emotional and the intuitive. Victims, including their families,
often have hunches about their perpetrators that elude law enforcement
and defy norms. But see to me, that's exactly she's
pointing out exactly what you were saying earlier, that she's
(19:28):
looking for this confirmation bias, that whatever hunch she has
about a bad person must be true because it's her
gut that's telling her right.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
Which I'm with her. I did like Unsolved Mysteries when
that was the only fair available, Like growing up, that
was the only true crime stuff really on that I
knew about, right, and I loved it, and I couldn't
figure out why. And now that I think about it, Yeah,
you need a beginning, a middle, and an end with
your true crime stuff. That's the most satisfying. I have
noticed that there's a what was it called a bliss
(19:59):
point with the processed foods. There's a bliss point with
me that if you go over it, if you put
too much horror in the true crime, I can't. I
can't stomach it. Like I started listening to a true
crime podcast and it was such a brutal murder. I
couldn't get over it. I still can't wipe it from
my memory. And it was like, okay, give me murder,
(20:20):
but make it, you know, not sanitize it, not too much.
I think it's why I like Ryan Murphy's adaptations of
true crime and things because he kind of makes it sparkle.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Well, maybe you start a podcast that's called The Palatable Murder. Oh,
you know, it's easier to digest that way. Oh there's
my log line. You know what I do?
Speaker 3 (20:43):
Welcome?
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Are you going to write that down? You don't seem
to be writing it down at all. It's right here
now and that steel trap. Do you call your wife darling?
Speaker 3 (20:52):
Do I call my wife darling?
Speaker 1 (20:54):
I've heard you call her darling?
Speaker 3 (20:56):
Not often if I do?
Speaker 1 (20:58):
Well, why what happened? Nothing? I was just wondering. I
just saw somebody call somebody darling, and I was like, huh.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
I think I do it to be ironic.
Speaker 1 (21:08):
Ah, maybe that's what that's what he's doing too.
Speaker 2 (21:13):
Oh well, as we continue our true Crime Tuesday, there's
a checklist of things you might want to, you know,
think about when you are looking at your uncle over
Thanksgiving dinner next week.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Friends, Why is it always the uncle that gets a
bad rap. It's always the uncle who's like the weird guy.
Speaker 3 (21:31):
He's the right age, it's a he. What else do
you want?
Speaker 1 (21:39):
Forensic criminologist Laura Brandt has interviewed more than fifty serial
killers and identified and outlined the multiple phases each of
them goes through before committing their crime. Space one fantasy
go on. A person may become obsessed with these thoughts
(22:02):
or others that focus on control, dominance, and violence.
Speaker 2 (22:07):
Uh other common themes aggression, sexual gratification, power, manipulation, revenge, retribution.
Speaker 1 (22:13):
So basically be born a man.
Speaker 3 (22:15):
Well, but also doing something about it.
Speaker 2 (22:18):
A lot of times they'll write stories about it, they'll
draw pictures of it, they'll use some other sort of
expressive medium to play out this fantasy that you've developed.
Speaker 1 (22:29):
Phase two the planning, the preparation. What are the logistics
of enacting out this fantasy that I've thought about, obsessed
about and maybe even drawn.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
Yeah, I mean even at level two or step two,
you're not a convinced serial killer, but you start thinking, well,
if I was right a serial killer, who would I
target and how would I go after them?
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Phase three is the stalking, the hunting. This is the
favorite stage because anti a patient. As Carly Simon said,
serial killers.
Speaker 3 (23:05):
Search the other very well known criminal forensic psychologists.
Speaker 1 (23:11):
Yes, serial killers search for potential victims. More specifically, they
may watch or follow an individual wait for the ideal
opportunity to strike. They may also test the boundaries of
their victim, going as far to contact them through email,
fake online profiles, social media. Is getting kind of scary.
Speaker 3 (23:33):
It is getting a little Yeah. Phase four is capture.
Speaker 1 (23:36):
I feel like we've got some people that have gotten
into phase three.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
We oh, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah again. I'm I'm somewhere
between three and four probably, but four is capture. Some
serial killers may attempt to kill their victim immediately. Others
choose to take them to a predetermined place and take
their life later.
Speaker 1 (23:56):
Do you know who your victim is right now?
Speaker 3 (24:00):
What is phase five?
Speaker 1 (24:02):
Phase five is a murder, the murder, strangulation, stabbing, shooting,
lunt force, trauma, what's in your pocket?
Speaker 3 (24:13):
My phone?
Speaker 1 (24:13):
Oh, drowning, suffocation.
Speaker 3 (24:18):
I am not on this list, Just so you know.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
After they kill, they feel an intense emotional release, a
sense of power accomplishment. It's like that god like ability,
like I took a life. Yeah I was powerful enough
to do that. Phase six is something I know you already.
You've skipped around these I have.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
I mean, you don't want to do them in order,
because then that draws too much attention right In this
case disposal, Most serial killers will have planned a way
to dispose of their victim, to try to hide evidence
or any incriminating material that would obviously tie them to
the crime.
Speaker 3 (24:54):
You could create a fake.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Alibi or a false trail to confuse the police investigation.
This is also where of the outsized self love perhaps exists.
Speaker 3 (25:07):
I don't mean in a weird way.
Speaker 2 (25:08):
I just mean these people think they're better than the police.
So this disposal phase, you know, hiding your trail phase,
they get as much excitement out of that because it's
you know, they're proving to themselves how much more Uh,
it's intelligent they are than the police that would be
investigating them, Which you love.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
I didn't say that you love that you didn't see me.
I know exactly what you're thinking. That's why you've spent
so much time in phase six Face. Do you know
exactly in the desert where you're going to leave the bodies?
Speaker 3 (25:39):
What I tell you if I knew exactly, Because you.
Speaker 1 (25:41):
Put a lot of time into phase six face, because
that does appeal to you.
Speaker 2 (25:46):
Phase seven outsmarting the authorities. I don't need to doubt
smart the authorities no, you don't. Is rebirth the referral stage,
the killer likely experiences an emotional crash, could suffer from depression. Again,
this forensic criminologist says that the killer would now have
(26:09):
a need for reassurance and some validation. So maybe they
begin back, they go back to step one and start
over with this new fantasy and this new plan.
Speaker 1 (26:17):
Do you think they like the killing part? Not because
they like the killing part, but because they've planned it
so meticulously, and then they go through the planet actually works,
and it's like the body and the person are just
kind of collateral damage of them taking their plan and
to execute it.
Speaker 2 (26:35):
I'm no expert in forensic criminology like Laura brand Is,
but the books that I've read about whether it's.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
Would you say true detective type stuff?
Speaker 2 (26:50):
Yeah, yeah, Well I just mean that I'm not planning,
I'm just reading.
Speaker 1 (26:55):
She said ninety six percent of serial killers she spoke
to used true detective magazines during the fantasy phase. That
it was addictive, it gave them a sense of euphoria
or high.
Speaker 3 (27:09):
Well, it's also because again going back to this.
Speaker 1 (27:11):
Oh my god, you're not unlike the Green River killer.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
Well, that's the guy I was going to say, is
he sometimes would apologize.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
Yeah, you're like you are you fit that mold? And
here's a fun wrinkle. You covered that case and do
you remember when you talk about a fantasy phase, do.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
You remember what his name was.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Gary Ridgeway? And now you know the rest of the story.
Jim Harva did a Paul Harvey when you're talking to
Matt and DJ.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
Oh, good for him.
Speaker 2 (27:52):
All right, Well, John Cobelt Show is coming up next
stick around. Of course, Michael Monks is gonna have all
the coverage of the LA City counts will and their
decision today whether or not to declare themselves a sanctuary.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
So I think you can end the sentence that sentence
specifically with Michael Monks will have all the coverage period done.
Speaker 3 (28:13):
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
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