December 10, 2024 • 30 mins
What’s Happening. Gary and Shannon also talk about what the term ‘never event’ is and bring you #TrueCrimeTuesday.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
I didn't feel it. Can you not shout earthquake like that?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I thought you guys knew that this is We don't
do that here. I don't.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Yeah, I'm not the one who yells earthquake when there's
an earth That's why it was jarring.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
And I have to go, oh, you people, I mean.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The protected class of women around you, protected class of
what women?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Boy, I'm not the one who screams earthquake when there's
really an earthquake.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It's you people.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You people, is not the way to talk to us.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
But there was an earthquake that hit in the Reno
Lake Tahoe area. Oh really, when was that five point
eight where? Yesterday? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Which is unusual for that area.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Now they've had a bunch of aftershocks similar to what
we saw off the coast of northern California from last week.
Obviously not as as strong as that original earthquake, but
still a good shaker.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
The guy who they think killed the United Healthcare CEO
struggled with deputies as he arrived for his extradition hearing
today this afternoon, he shouted something to the effect of
an insult to the intelligence of the American people while
deputies pushed him inside.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Seemed to be struggling just fine with his back injury.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Right, we can't have earthquakes because we're dealing with fire.
That is where we kick off. What's happening?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Time four? What's happening?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Alex Stone, water damage, fire damage?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Burglary called public adjuster after.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Us, by surprise, every single day, every day because it stupid.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Don't step on the sponsor.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Alex Stone with us with ABC News checking on this
of Franklin fire out in Malibu up over twenty five
hundred acres.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Now, Alex, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Yeah, and now, thank goodness, there's not an earthquake. I
was gonna say, oh man, you got to kidding me
that we're going to deal with that now as well.
So the fire itself here is kind of laying way down,
nothing like it was a few hours ago or overnight.
One thing is that cell phone service is horrendous here
right now. So if you've got somebody who lives in
the Battleboo area and you're freaking out, because you haven't
heard from them. This is about the longest phone call
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I've been able to get out without it going away.
And there's no data service for email or anything else,
so they're probably okay. Nobody has been injured that we
know of, nobody has been killed. They probably just can't
get a hold of you. But I just came out
of a canyon here where there was one home that
was burned to the ground. Only the chimneys were standing.
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But the homes around it are okay thanks to work
by neighbors. They brought in their own fire hose that
they bought and a gas powered pump, and they pulled
water out of their pools to battle back the flames overnight,
and they said fire fighters couldn't get in now. Like Gellis,
he recounted for me what it was like overnight. He
said it was nuts. Fire fighters were nowhere around. They
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were cut off by fire was everywhere. They battled it back,
saved their homes and stayed alonge.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
We basically have these gas powered water pumps with fire hoses.
We drenched our house make it so no fire could
start ever, and that freed me to go put out
fires in five other people's homes, save, five other people's
homes save.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
And he said it was so hot in that moment
his skin was burning. They were using the hose, they
were drenching the homes. His shirt has like ember burn
marks all over his shirt.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
It was pretty insane and it's so thick. My eyes
were burning. My voice is so hoarse, and I don't
even know how much smoke on nails.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
And he says that this is exactly why they bought
that fire hose. It's not what fire fighters want.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Them to do.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
But they knew they were going to be on their
own and the canyon and they were going to have
to do it.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
There was so much fire in here. It was insane, insane.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
They showed me all their videos of the walls of
fire running all around them as they were just I mean,
it was like backdraft hitting this thing with their hose
and trying to knock it out of the trees and
it worked. And he said, it feels pretty good what a.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Night did something for the community. All about giving back,
doing things for other people, being grateful for what you have,
because that you all go in a second.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
So guys, yeah, I mean, we heard from firefighters earlier
where they said a minimal number of homes have burned.
We don't know how many. I've seen one. And then
there was another a couple doors down that they were
trying to put out fire that looked like it was
in the attic or going through the roof. But the
firefighters couldn't really deal with it they, you know, like
they would a normal structure fire. They kind of just
put water on it looked like it was out and
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they had to move on. So we'll get account probably
later on tonight or tomorrow, but that there are a
couple but the fire itself is not doing anything like
it was overnight.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, I'm glad it was a better outcome than we
saw in Backdraft.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
That is true. I'm tired of hearing the siren, Brian,
I'm tired of hearing the sir. I'll get you sell
qu I doing Dumb and Dumber for you.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I love that movie. Have you watched Fire Country, the
like soap opera?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yeah? I can't.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's not no, but I just can't. I can't stop.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's so cheesy and it's so not real and there's
a major fire incident.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
I hear.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, CalFire is not happy about it. How are they
able to use Calfire's name and their logo and everything.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, I thought that. I thought that CalFire would love
this because it glamorizes Clo CalFire.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
I mean the word was that they don't because of
how cheesy it is and how crazy it is. But
maybe they do.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Alex we missing.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Sorry, I digress. I just miss you, and so we
just had so.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Much grinding for you guys.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Too good right here.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
I hope life is good for you time.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Okay, thanks, he ses Alex Doe with the latest on
the Franklin fire.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Just a quick update out of Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I think we miss him because he's all we have less.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Minority leader Mitch McConnell is said to be fine. Medical
personnel had to make an office visit today, according to
his deputy, Senator John Thun, who will take over as
a majority leader in the next Congress. They were seen
leaving Mitch McConnell's office about eleven o'clock hour time, so
a little more than an hour ago, after their weekly lunch.
There was a report that he had fallen in that
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lunch and may have concussed himself on the way down
or when he hits the floor.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, he's done it before.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So sometimes when you get a concussion, you're more likely
to get another one. I don't know, asked Toua. That
was nice, But it's true, Couch, it's true. Do you
want your jeffardy question? Sure, we could do that the
d nature of things for six hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Missouri's official state tree is this flowering one with a
K nine name.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Oh what is a dogwood tree? Wow? Good job.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I don't think I know what a dogwood tree is.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
The Franklin fire up over twenty five hundred almost twenty
six hundred acres according to cal Fire.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
As it continues to burn.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
They do have the air show in progress, the helicopters
and the fixed wing planes that are dropping retardant and
water in the area to try to get some containment
around it. But this fire report a little before eleven
last night, the drive brush the strong winds through that area,
of course, fueled the fire up to twenty six hundred
acres and there have been plenty of evacuations that have
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been ordered.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yes, and we know Malibu, and there have been some
jokes about how people in Malibu will fare just fine,
but not everybody in Malibu is not without needing some help.
Mimi Teller with the Red Cross joins us. Now Red
Cross swoops in like they always do to provide that
aid for people that are displaced. Mimi, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
First of all, what kind of services can the Red
Cross offer these people who have been forced out of
their house?
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Well, at this point, we're trying to offer immediate needs,
which is shelter for anyone who's been displaced by the fire,
and say, warm place to stay in, three mills a day,
snacks and water.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
When you deal with situations like this, is it easy
to upscale if necessary? I mean right now it's a
relatively small fire. Thankfully it hasn't exploded in size like
the conditions might mean it would.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Is it easy to upscale if you have to.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Yeah. We always go into these events not knowing which
way they will go. So that the shelter that we're
at currently we can expand over eight hundred people, and
we're actually in discussions with opening, if not one, to
other shelters so that people can get to various different
locations if those are closed around pach in the area.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, that's definitely the case, So it could get kind
of tricky there. Eighteen thousand people have in order to evacuate,
additional six thousand or under evacuation warnings, and as we've
been pointing out, me me, this is kind of the
crunch time. This is the time that they're worried about
the most precarious type of weather. National Weather Service describes
it as a particularly dangerous Santa Ana wind event until
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two pm today and then potentially tomorrow the winds whip
back up.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So it could be kind.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Of one of those easily expanding roles that you play
there with the Red Cross.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Yeah, and that's where he is to you know, we
have volunteers on standby, ready to staff as many shelters
as we need to open, and we're ready. We're ready
to help people on their worst day if that's what
it turned out to be.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
This is a strange question.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I don't ever remember having used Red Cross in a
situation like this, in whatever disaster situation I've been in.
What is the requirement for someone who needs services from
the Red Cross? Is it just that they show up
to one of the places that you guys are offering.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
Pretty much pretty much, you know, we do have an
intake of questions, which is only to qualify what help
they might need down the road. But if you have
been affected, and if you have been displaced, if you're
a traveler from out of town and your hotel has
to evacuate, come on down. So we are there to
help anyone who has no place to stay tonight as
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a result of the Franklin far Mimi.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Teyler, thank you so much. Thanks for all the work
you do out there with the Red Cross and helping
people appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, we're keeping an eye on this because we're we're
not out of the woods of by any means.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Pardon this stupid pun.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
In terms of the weather conditions, because this particularly dangerous
situation still exists for a few more hours and then
the red flag, the normal red flag conditions are expected
to persist through tomorrow. And then you know, time of
day does have an impact on whether the winds pick
up or die down. Usually first in the morning they're
relatively low, which is great because that gave it looked
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like it gave firefighters the opportunity to put some of
those air resources back up in the skies.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
As the afternoon warms up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
The expectation is that we are going to see the
winds pick back up and let's see just updated again.
Twenty six hundred and sixty seven acres, So twenty six
sixty seven is the official acreage according to cal Fire
of the Franklin Fire out in the Malibu area.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
A couple other stories we are following for you today,
some big ones. Extradition hearing for that suspect and the
United Healthcare CEO murder is happening in Pennsylvania. Luigi Mangioni
shouted to reporters that officers kind of struggled with him
let him into a courthouse within the past hour. This
could be an extradition hearing or he'll be sent back
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to New York City. We're learning more about him as well,
about how he had a pretty big online of footprint
when it came to postings and his thoughts and his
opinions on things. And it seems that about six months
ago is when his family and friends stopped hearing from him.
And it was odd that, you know, he was from Maryland,
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went to the finest schools, went to Penn's, went to
penn moved out to California for a time, moved to
Honolulu for a time. Apparently had a debilitating back injury,
although in the video today doesn't look like he has
a back injury. He's jumping around, kind of shuffling, shoving
agents back and forth.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So we'll see what happened. Clearly some sort of break
with reality.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
He was shouting something to the effect of, you know,
this is an insult to the intelligence of the American people.
Very smart guy that seems to have suffered some sort
of bad brain chemistry.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
The back injury that you reported. His former roommate said
it was spondo Lila man I went into it too confidently,
spawndiloic spawn dialoi thesis that was worsened by a surfing accident,
that that's kind of a misalignment of the spine.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Lower vertebrae were almost an inch and.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
A half off, and that this surfing injury may have
pinched a nerve. The We told you yesterday that one
of the images from his Twitter account is an X
ray of a back with screws in it, assuming that
that was his X ray, so give you an indication
of some of the pain that he may have been in.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
The other couple stories. Mitch McConnell is fine.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Apparently after a fall where he scraped his face. The
medical personnel went to his office. He's going to be okay,
I guess. And then Jimmy Fox talked about his medical
issue in his Netflix comedy special that apparently he had
a stroke. It began with a headache, he asked for
some aspirin, he was out cold, and then he wakes
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up in the hospital after twenty days that he did
not remember.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
So just terrifying there.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
The update on our Franklin fire is that it's a
two six hundred and sixty seven acres. According to CalFire
continues to grow. The conditions have not been as explosive
as we were concerned about, so we hope that they
stay that way. The term never event in the medical
world refers to the most extreme medical errors.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It was coined in two thousand and one, but over
the past twenty or so years, the phrase has come
to encompass more broadly any severe adverse medical result that
should have been preventable.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
They define in the United States at least never events
twenty nine serious medical errors that are grouped into seven categories,
Things like surgery on the wrong site or even the
wrong patient.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Killing or seriously injuring someone by giving them the wrong.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Drug, artificial insemination with the wrong sperm or egg, the
death or serious injury of mother or newborn during a
low risk pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Patient elopement from the hospital is that when a patient
just takes off, a serious injury or death from the
result of falling while in a health care facility.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
And even a criminal event like a patient being sexually
or physically assaulted. Now, most of these never events don't
actually result in someone's death or even cause lasting physical damage, but.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Sometimes they're not even reported by the hospital and we
don't hear about them until someone sues. And that's the
situation here. This is why we've learned this story about
Bill and Beverly.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Bill was at a condo they ran out in Okahoosa County, Florida,
moving furniture for much of the day and assume that
that's why he felt like he was in pain.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
His left shoulder was in pain.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
But as the hours went by, that pain and shoulder
spread down his spine and the evening he could not walk.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
So Beverly takes in the hospital. They find that there's
a mass growing on Bill's spleen, which and they say
it actually makes sense because when a spleen ruptures, it
can irritate the nerve. It runs down the neck through
the left side of your chest.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So Bill spends a couple of days in the hospital.
He gets some pain meds, he goes through more tests,
and with his pain stable, they tell the hospital that
they want to go home to their full time residence
in Alabama for the bulk of the care. Right that
makes sense, but the physician practicing at this hospital in
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Florida disagree.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
They say if Bill leaves, he'll bleed to death.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
So they're going to do a splendek to me, they're
going to take a spleen out. Late in the day
August twenty first, Beverly, her daughter and Bill's daughter and
they hug him goodbye's. He goes into the operating room.
About an hour later, Beverly out in the waiting room.
Here's an announcement and urgency announcement on the intercom for
the operating room that Bill was in, but nobody answers
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her questions, something along the lines of what the hell's
going on.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
She goes to wait in the chapel, which was one
of the most desperate places ever. Those hospital chapels are
just awful and wonderful that they're there. And the doctor
and a team of people come in and they tell
her that Bill had not survived.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
So the doctor's explaining to Beverly, Bill's spleen was very diseased,
it was very heavy, it was four times its normal size,
and said that the splenic artery aneurism had ruptured, which
is what caused him to bleed to death.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Now Beverly has passed in emergency medicine, she knows the
questions to ask, right, she was a nurse, she spent
her career in healthcare, and she's thinking to herself, well,
why I didn't his CT scans and the MRI showed
the advanced stage of the disease, And given that a
spleen was being removed, why hadn't the doctor just clamped
the artery off to begin with, which would have prevented
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an aneurysm.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
So she had questions, but to avoid peap questions from
other people, she was just telling people that Bill had
died of an aneurysm. But after they did a service
for him, Beverly gets a call from a medical examiner,
and that medical examiner said that a pathologist found something
interesting which kind of put the brakes on the whole
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cremation thing.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, and autopsy revealed that Bill's spleen was still intact.
It was inside his body, it was untouched. There was
no evidence he had endured that artery aneurysm, but his
inferior vena cave.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
You're the doctor, you got it.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
The largest vein in the body, which connects the liver
to the heart, that had been dissected, and there was
no clamp or no evidence that anyone tried to use
a clamp to stop the bleeding.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You know what else was wrong inside Bill's body? No liver.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
His liver was gone. In fact, guess where it was. Yeah,
the liver was in the container mark spleen.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
They're still investigating this. It's not unheard of.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Like I said, we have seen other reports of these
never events. Thankfully they rarely happen, hence the term. But
you think about the thousands and thousands of medical procedures
that are done every single day. Now from the opposite perspective,
think about a doctor that does that. David Ring is
an orthopedic surgeon at University of Texas at Austin Dell
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Medical School, and about a decade ago, he accidentally performed
a carpal tunnel release rather than a trigger finger release
on a patient. And about fifteen minutes after that surgery,
the mistaken surgery, he's doing his dictation in his office
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and real he had done the wrong procedure. Now that
would not have been life threatening, obviously, but still he
said he was devastated. It was his sixth final surgery
of the day. An earlier patient had been distressed during
her otherwise successful operation, an unusual situation that was rattling
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around in this guy's head. The surgery was behind schedule,
so administrators actually moved David Ring's final patient to a
different operating room. That was a change in personnel. The
nurse who had performed the preop assessment was not the
one who was in the room with doctor Ring and
the rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, it seems like this was a bad doctor, the
one that mistaked the liver for the spleen. I mean, yeah,
that's obvious, right, But there were there were red flags
the procedure the doctor ordered.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It was after five pm.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
They only had a skeletal crew present, so the staff
would be less equipped to respond to potential implications. Number
of people in the or were worried that this doctor
did not have the skill level to perform this procedure,
that this doctor Schachnovsky had an established pattern of errors
in ther most seriously, in twenty twenty three, he removed
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a portion of a man's pancreas instead of a mass
on his adrenal gland. The patient survived, but was permanently harmed,
and Sheknovsky was allowed to continue practice medicine at this hospital.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
One of the things they say about never events is
that it's rare that it's just one person involved. That
sometimes somebody gets there's often a miscommunication. But I would
think that in an event like somebody removing your liver
instead of your spleen, if you had more eyeballs on it,
somebody would raise their hand and go, wait a minute,
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go for the little purple thing, not the big purple thing.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well, and after he did the first error causing that
severe hemorrhage cutting that line from the liver to the heart,
that he did not he did not take the clamp
that was offered to him by the tech, by the
scrub tech because you know, surgeons don't listen to scrub
techs because that would just be, you know, not a
n narcissist thing to do, and majority of them are narcissists.
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And that he was firing the staping stapling device blindly
into Bill Bryan's abdomen. But then when when the when
the wife Beverly went back to ask questions of this staff,
everyone was quiet. You wonder how many of these things happened.
They go, oh, you're you know, your your your family
and member didn't make it. And then you just never
hear the true details.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And you don't know the enough to ask the questions.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I would have no idea.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
This guy's medical license has been suspended by Florida and Alabama,
and the company that owns the hospital didn't do an interview.
Beverly has not received any apology or any admission of
wrongdoing as of yet from the company or the doctor's
time a True Crime.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Tuesday, The story is true, sounds true?
Speaker 6 (23:05):
No, it sounds made up.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
I don't know. Garry and Shannon present True Crimeugh.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
This is.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
One of those unsolved cases that we like to do,
the cold cases that it gets solved. But this is
one of the unsolved ones from nineteen ninety four. Rainy
November night nineteen ninety four of the UK, Lindsay Rymer
walked a short route from a home to a local
shop to buy corn flakes. Her body was discovered in
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a nearby canal a few months later, and they she
still had the exact change in her.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Pocket from the night that she bought her corn flakes.
They were not usually.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
God bless you, God bless you sad stories.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, and Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
However, a couple detectives we're talking about this case that
they're working on. One of them says the police forces
received a call that morning about a young girl would
not turned up for a daily paper route and her
parents were concerned because she didn't look like she'd been
home all night.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
The guys agreed there was something that was concerning about this. Now,
it wasn't unusual for teenagers to disappear overnight and then
just turn up the next day. But everyone knows everyone
in this town of Hebden.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Bridge, outside of Halifax this they call it a hippie
spirited troune.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
A town surrounded by rolling hills and stone bridges.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Kate is Lindsay's sister. She was twenty when Lindsay disappeared.
She says, we were just a normal family before that night.
Then it all exploded.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I guess when she left the house. Her dad was
on the phone, so Lindy call.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Lindsay called at the nearby trades club where mom was
meeting with some friends, got some money for it from
her so she could buy the cereal, and Mom showed
up later. Lindsay's parents went to bed and just assumed
that Lindsay had come home and gone straight up to
her room in the attic, but she didn't and they
didn't know what it was now. Grainy footage from the
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shop captured her leaving about ten o'clock at night. She
was spotted just a couple of minutes later by a
couple of bus passengers leaning against the wall near the
memorial Garden.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That was the last confirmed sighting of her alive. In
the early days of There's This disappearance, the police a
community joined forces. They combed the area. Close friends moved
in with the family. They would stay up all night brainstorming,
writing down leads. They had charts everything very beautiful mind esque.
A week into the search and the CIS plays the
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role of Lindsay in a televised reconstruction eerie. She says,
I was insistent I wanted to take part. She was
my build. We looked similar. It was the least I
could do to try and find her.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
So, with no leads in a tiny little town of
hebden Bridge, they tried to come up with a profile,
just to give them something to work off of. So
they said, probably a suspect that would be able to drive.
Somebody late teens, early twenties, maybe somebody that she would
have been attracted to. So they thought, is it possible
that there's an older brother of one of her friends
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that she knew or may have been attracted to. They
eventually found the driver of a stolen red Honda Civic.
They thought, maybe that this red Honda Civic was in
town when Lindsay disappeared.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Maybe this this.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Driver had tried to talk to other schoolgirls or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And the detective remembers thinking, Okay, this is our let's
get him in. Turned out the man had an alibi.
He was ruled out.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Yeah, because and it wasn't just an alibi like oh
my I was out with my buddies. He was spoken
to by a police officer several miles away at about
the time that Lindsay would have left the shop.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Then in April of nineteen ninety five, so that would
have been about six months later. Her body was found
a mile out of the town center by two council
workers who were clearing debris from the waterway.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
They said that Lindsay had been strangled, it was likely
on the night she vanished, and that her body was
dumped then. Her arms of her jumper had been tied
together in a sling with a stone to try to
weigh her down, but no evidence of any other kind
of assault.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Hundreds of witness statements were taken, Officers booked to thousands
of people, examined hundreds of vehicles. No progress. Over the years,
the cases remained open. There have been moments where a
breakthrough appeared with a touching distance, but.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
And two people arrested. A sixty three year old man
arrested in November of twenty sixteen, a sixty eight year
old man arrested a few months after that. Both of
those guys released without charges.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
They say the shadow of Lindsay's murder still looms across
Hebden Bridge weighs heavily on the minds of both former
and current officers. The fact that this thing was not solved.
They are still committed to finding this killer, by the way.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
And the hope is that that DNA technology is what
breaks that free.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Do you want to hear a wild story that Chris
Little just sent me?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
He says, it's three point thirty am this morning. We're
sound asleep. I vaguely hear who I think is Chad
his son, saying the.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Police are here.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Then a guy with a flashlight steps into our bedroom
and says, do you guys live here? Or are you
just bad guys sleeping in someone else's bed. He's the cop,
the person the voice who said the police were here.
He steps further into the bedroom, goes in, shines his
light in the bathroom, into our closet down the hall.
(29:08):
We take him on a tour to make sure nobody's
in the house. Apparently the wind blew open a couple
of feebly secured French doors and the alarm went off.
ADT had called, but since my retirement, my forced retirement,
I'd put my phone on do not Disturb. For the
first time in thirty years, he didn't hear the call
(29:30):
from adyt Oh my god. About twenty minutes later, the
cop left because there were no bad guys here, and
we went back to sleep and the sun Chad never
heard a.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Thing, went back to sleep.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
That's the that's the shocker of the entire story.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Yeah no.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Don you imagine waking up and there's some dude flashing
a light on you and your wife and.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
He's like, are you guys live hair? Are you're just
the bad guy's sleeping.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
You got to get a dog.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Holy hell, that's terrifying.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
I didn't feel it. Can you not shout earthquake like that?
Speaker 3 (00:12):
I thought you guys knew that this is We don't
do that here. I don't.
Speaker 4 (00:15):
Yeah, I'm not the one who yells earthquake when there's
an earth That's why it was jarring.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
And I have to go, oh, you people, I mean.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The protected class of women around you, protected class of
what women?
Speaker 4 (00:29):
Boy, I'm not the one who screams earthquake when there's
really an earthquake.
Speaker 3 (00:33):
It's you people.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
You people, is not the way to talk to us.
Speaker 4 (00:37):
But there was an earthquake that hit in the Reno
Lake Tahoe area. Oh really, when was that five point
eight where? Yesterday? Yeah, it was.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
Which is unusual for that area.
Speaker 4 (00:49):
Now they've had a bunch of aftershocks similar to what
we saw off the coast of northern California from last week.
Obviously not as as strong as that original earthquake, but
still a good shaker.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
The guy who they think killed the United Healthcare CEO
struggled with deputies as he arrived for his extradition hearing
today this afternoon, he shouted something to the effect of
an insult to the intelligence of the American people while
deputies pushed him inside.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
Seemed to be struggling just fine with his back injury.
Speaker 1 (01:22):
Right, we can't have earthquakes because we're dealing with fire.
That is where we kick off. What's happening?
Speaker 3 (01:29):
Time four? What's happening?
Speaker 5 (01:33):
Alex Stone, water damage, fire damage?
Speaker 3 (01:37):
Burglary called public adjuster after.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
Us, by surprise, every single day, every day because it stupid.
Speaker 5 (01:47):
Don't step on the sponsor.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Alex Stone with us with ABC News checking on this
of Franklin fire out in Malibu up over twenty five
hundred acres.
Speaker 3 (01:58):
Now, Alex, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (02:01):
Yeah, and now, thank goodness, there's not an earthquake. I
was gonna say, oh man, you got to kidding me
that we're going to deal with that now as well.
So the fire itself here is kind of laying way down,
nothing like it was a few hours ago or overnight.
One thing is that cell phone service is horrendous here
right now. So if you've got somebody who lives in
the Battleboo area and you're freaking out, because you haven't
heard from them. This is about the longest phone call
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I've been able to get out without it going away.
And there's no data service for email or anything else,
so they're probably okay. Nobody has been injured that we
know of, nobody has been killed. They probably just can't
get a hold of you. But I just came out
of a canyon here where there was one home that
was burned to the ground. Only the chimneys were standing.
(02:45):
But the homes around it are okay thanks to work
by neighbors. They brought in their own fire hose that
they bought and a gas powered pump, and they pulled
water out of their pools to battle back the flames overnight,
and they said fire fighters couldn't get in now. Like Gellis,
he recounted for me what it was like overnight. He
said it was nuts. Fire fighters were nowhere around. They
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were cut off by fire was everywhere. They battled it back,
saved their homes and stayed alonge.
Speaker 6 (03:11):
We basically have these gas powered water pumps with fire hoses.
We drenched our house make it so no fire could
start ever, and that freed me to go put out
fires in five other people's homes, save, five other people's
homes save.
Speaker 5 (03:27):
And he said it was so hot in that moment
his skin was burning. They were using the hose, they
were drenching the homes. His shirt has like ember burn
marks all over his shirt.
Speaker 6 (03:37):
It was pretty insane and it's so thick. My eyes
were burning. My voice is so hoarse, and I don't
even know how much smoke on nails.
Speaker 5 (03:46):
And he says that this is exactly why they bought
that fire hose. It's not what fire fighters want.
Speaker 7 (03:50):
Them to do.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
But they knew they were going to be on their
own and the canyon and they were going to have
to do it.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
There was so much fire in here. It was insane, insane.
Speaker 5 (04:00):
They showed me all their videos of the walls of
fire running all around them as they were just I mean,
it was like backdraft hitting this thing with their hose
and trying to knock it out of the trees and
it worked. And he said, it feels pretty good what a.
Speaker 6 (04:12):
Night did something for the community. All about giving back,
doing things for other people, being grateful for what you have,
because that you all go in a second.
Speaker 5 (04:20):
So guys, yeah, I mean, we heard from firefighters earlier
where they said a minimal number of homes have burned.
We don't know how many. I've seen one. And then
there was another a couple doors down that they were
trying to put out fire that looked like it was
in the attic or going through the roof. But the
firefighters couldn't really deal with it they, you know, like
they would a normal structure fire. They kind of just
put water on it looked like it was out and
(04:41):
they had to move on. So we'll get account probably
later on tonight or tomorrow, but that there are a
couple but the fire itself is not doing anything like
it was overnight.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
Well, I'm glad it was a better outcome than we
saw in Backdraft.
Speaker 5 (04:55):
That is true. I'm tired of hearing the siren, Brian,
I'm tired of hearing the sir. I'll get you sell
qu I doing Dumb and Dumber for you.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
I love that movie. Have you watched Fire Country, the
like soap opera?
Speaker 5 (05:08):
Yeah? I can't.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
It's not no, but I just can't. I can't stop.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
It's so cheesy and it's so not real and there's
a major fire incident.
Speaker 6 (05:16):
I hear.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
Yeah, CalFire is not happy about it. How are they
able to use Calfire's name and their logo and everything.
Speaker 2 (05:23):
Yeah, I thought that. I thought that CalFire would love
this because it glamorizes Clo CalFire.
Speaker 6 (05:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (05:30):
I mean the word was that they don't because of
how cheesy it is and how crazy it is. But
maybe they do.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Alex we missing.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
Sorry, I digress. I just miss you, and so we
just had so.
Speaker 5 (05:41):
Much grinding for you guys.
Speaker 6 (05:43):
Too good right here.
Speaker 5 (05:44):
I hope life is good for you time.
Speaker 4 (05:47):
Okay, thanks, he ses Alex Doe with the latest on
the Franklin fire.
Speaker 3 (05:54):
Just a quick update out of Washington, d C.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
I think we miss him because he's all we have less.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
Minority leader Mitch McConnell is said to be fine. Medical
personnel had to make an office visit today, according to
his deputy, Senator John Thun, who will take over as
a majority leader in the next Congress. They were seen
leaving Mitch McConnell's office about eleven o'clock hour time, so
a little more than an hour ago, after their weekly lunch.
There was a report that he had fallen in that
(06:21):
lunch and may have concussed himself on the way down
or when he hits the floor.
Speaker 2 (06:27):
Well, he's done it before.
Speaker 1 (06:28):
So sometimes when you get a concussion, you're more likely
to get another one. I don't know, asked Toua. That
was nice, But it's true, Couch, it's true. Do you
want your jeffardy question? Sure, we could do that the
d nature of things for six hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Got it.
Speaker 1 (06:46):
Missouri's official state tree is this flowering one with a
K nine name.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Oh what is a dogwood tree? Wow? Good job.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I don't think I know what a dogwood tree is.
Speaker 4 (06:58):
The Franklin fire up over twenty five hundred almost twenty
six hundred acres according to cal Fire.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
As it continues to burn.
Speaker 4 (07:06):
They do have the air show in progress, the helicopters
and the fixed wing planes that are dropping retardant and
water in the area to try to get some containment
around it. But this fire report a little before eleven
last night, the drive brush the strong winds through that area,
of course, fueled the fire up to twenty six hundred
acres and there have been plenty of evacuations that have
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been ordered.
Speaker 1 (07:26):
Yes, and we know Malibu, and there have been some
jokes about how people in Malibu will fare just fine,
but not everybody in Malibu is not without needing some help.
Mimi Teller with the Red Cross joins us. Now Red
Cross swoops in like they always do to provide that
aid for people that are displaced. Mimi, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (07:49):
Yeah, thank you.
Speaker 4 (07:51):
First of all, what kind of services can the Red
Cross offer these people who have been forced out of
their house?
Speaker 7 (07:58):
Well, at this point, we're trying to offer immediate needs,
which is shelter for anyone who's been displaced by the fire,
and say, warm place to stay in, three mills a day,
snacks and water.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
When you deal with situations like this, is it easy
to upscale if necessary? I mean right now it's a
relatively small fire. Thankfully it hasn't exploded in size like
the conditions might mean it would.
Speaker 3 (08:25):
Is it easy to upscale if you have to.
Speaker 7 (08:30):
Yeah. We always go into these events not knowing which
way they will go. So that the shelter that we're
at currently we can expand over eight hundred people, and
we're actually in discussions with opening, if not one, to
other shelters so that people can get to various different
locations if those are closed around pach in the area.
Speaker 1 (08:52):
Yeah, that's definitely the case, So it could get kind
of tricky there. Eighteen thousand people have in order to evacuate,
additional six thousand or under evacuation warnings, and as we've
been pointing out, me me, this is kind of the
crunch time. This is the time that they're worried about
the most precarious type of weather. National Weather Service describes
it as a particularly dangerous Santa Ana wind event until
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two pm today and then potentially tomorrow the winds whip
back up.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
So it could be kind.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
Of one of those easily expanding roles that you play
there with the Red Cross.
Speaker 7 (09:30):
Yeah, and that's where he is to you know, we
have volunteers on standby, ready to staff as many shelters
as we need to open, and we're ready. We're ready
to help people on their worst day if that's what
it turned out to be.
Speaker 3 (09:44):
This is a strange question.
Speaker 4 (09:45):
I don't ever remember having used Red Cross in a
situation like this, in whatever disaster situation I've been in.
What is the requirement for someone who needs services from
the Red Cross? Is it just that they show up
to one of the places that you guys are offering.
Speaker 7 (10:02):
Pretty much pretty much, you know, we do have an
intake of questions, which is only to qualify what help
they might need down the road. But if you have
been affected, and if you have been displaced, if you're
a traveler from out of town and your hotel has
to evacuate, come on down. So we are there to
help anyone who has no place to stay tonight as
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a result of the Franklin far Mimi.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
Teyler, thank you so much. Thanks for all the work
you do out there with the Red Cross and helping
people appreciate it.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Thank you.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Yeah, we're keeping an eye on this because we're we're
not out of the woods of by any means.
Speaker 3 (10:40):
Pardon this stupid pun.
Speaker 4 (10:42):
In terms of the weather conditions, because this particularly dangerous
situation still exists for a few more hours and then
the red flag, the normal red flag conditions are expected
to persist through tomorrow. And then you know, time of
day does have an impact on whether the winds pick
up or die down. Usually first in the morning they're
relatively low, which is great because that gave it looked
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like it gave firefighters the opportunity to put some of
those air resources back up in the skies.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
As the afternoon warms up a little bit.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
The expectation is that we are going to see the
winds pick back up and let's see just updated again.
Twenty six hundred and sixty seven acres, So twenty six
sixty seven is the official acreage according to cal Fire
of the Franklin Fire out in the Malibu area.
Speaker 1 (11:28):
A couple other stories we are following for you today,
some big ones. Extradition hearing for that suspect and the
United Healthcare CEO murder is happening in Pennsylvania. Luigi Mangioni
shouted to reporters that officers kind of struggled with him
let him into a courthouse within the past hour. This
could be an extradition hearing or he'll be sent back
(11:51):
to New York City. We're learning more about him as well,
about how he had a pretty big online of footprint
when it came to postings and his thoughts and his
opinions on things. And it seems that about six months
ago is when his family and friends stopped hearing from him.
And it was odd that, you know, he was from Maryland,
(12:13):
went to the finest schools, went to Penn's, went to
penn moved out to California for a time, moved to
Honolulu for a time. Apparently had a debilitating back injury,
although in the video today doesn't look like he has
a back injury. He's jumping around, kind of shuffling, shoving
agents back and forth.
Speaker 2 (12:32):
So we'll see what happened. Clearly some sort of break
with reality.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
He was shouting something to the effect of, you know,
this is an insult to the intelligence of the American people.
Very smart guy that seems to have suffered some sort
of bad brain chemistry.
Speaker 4 (12:49):
The back injury that you reported. His former roommate said
it was spondo Lila man I went into it too confidently,
spawndiloic spawn dialoi thesis that was worsened by a surfing accident,
that that's kind of a misalignment of the spine.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
Lower vertebrae were almost an inch and.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
A half off, and that this surfing injury may have
pinched a nerve. The We told you yesterday that one
of the images from his Twitter account is an X
ray of a back with screws in it, assuming that
that was his X ray, so give you an indication
of some of the pain that he may have been in.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
The other couple stories. Mitch McConnell is fine.
Speaker 1 (13:34):
Apparently after a fall where he scraped his face. The
medical personnel went to his office. He's going to be okay,
I guess. And then Jimmy Fox talked about his medical
issue in his Netflix comedy special that apparently he had
a stroke. It began with a headache, he asked for
some aspirin, he was out cold, and then he wakes
(13:56):
up in the hospital after twenty days that he did
not remember.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
So just terrifying there.
Speaker 4 (14:02):
The update on our Franklin fire is that it's a
two six hundred and sixty seven acres. According to CalFire
continues to grow. The conditions have not been as explosive
as we were concerned about, so we hope that they
stay that way. The term never event in the medical
world refers to the most extreme medical errors.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
It was coined in two thousand and one, but over
the past twenty or so years, the phrase has come
to encompass more broadly any severe adverse medical result that
should have been preventable.
Speaker 4 (14:40):
They define in the United States at least never events
twenty nine serious medical errors that are grouped into seven categories,
Things like surgery on the wrong site or even the
wrong patient.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Killing or seriously injuring someone by giving them the wrong.
Speaker 4 (14:56):
Drug, artificial insemination with the wrong sperm or egg, the
death or serious injury of mother or newborn during a
low risk pregnancy.
Speaker 1 (15:05):
Patient elopement from the hospital is that when a patient
just takes off, a serious injury or death from the
result of falling while in a health care facility.
Speaker 4 (15:16):
And even a criminal event like a patient being sexually
or physically assaulted. Now, most of these never events don't
actually result in someone's death or even cause lasting physical damage, but.
Speaker 1 (15:28):
Sometimes they're not even reported by the hospital and we
don't hear about them until someone sues. And that's the
situation here. This is why we've learned this story about
Bill and Beverly.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
Bill was at a condo they ran out in Okahoosa County, Florida,
moving furniture for much of the day and assume that
that's why he felt like he was in pain.
Speaker 3 (15:52):
His left shoulder was in pain.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
But as the hours went by, that pain and shoulder
spread down his spine and the evening he could not walk.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
So Beverly takes in the hospital. They find that there's
a mass growing on Bill's spleen, which and they say
it actually makes sense because when a spleen ruptures, it
can irritate the nerve. It runs down the neck through
the left side of your chest.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
So Bill spends a couple of days in the hospital.
He gets some pain meds, he goes through more tests,
and with his pain stable, they tell the hospital that
they want to go home to their full time residence
in Alabama for the bulk of the care. Right that
makes sense, but the physician practicing at this hospital in
(16:38):
Florida disagree.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
They say if Bill leaves, he'll bleed to death.
Speaker 4 (16:43):
So they're going to do a splendek to me, they're
going to take a spleen out. Late in the day
August twenty first, Beverly, her daughter and Bill's daughter and
they hug him goodbye's. He goes into the operating room.
About an hour later, Beverly out in the waiting room.
Here's an announcement and urgency announcement on the intercom for
the operating room that Bill was in, but nobody answers
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her questions, something along the lines of what the hell's
going on.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
She goes to wait in the chapel, which was one
of the most desperate places ever. Those hospital chapels are
just awful and wonderful that they're there. And the doctor
and a team of people come in and they tell
her that Bill had not survived.
Speaker 4 (17:26):
So the doctor's explaining to Beverly, Bill's spleen was very diseased,
it was very heavy, it was four times its normal size,
and said that the splenic artery aneurism had ruptured, which
is what caused him to bleed to death.
Speaker 1 (17:43):
Now Beverly has passed in emergency medicine, she knows the
questions to ask, right, she was a nurse, she spent
her career in healthcare, and she's thinking to herself, well,
why I didn't his CT scans and the MRI showed
the advanced stage of the disease, And given that a
spleen was being removed, why hadn't the doctor just clamped
the artery off to begin with, which would have prevented
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an aneurysm.
Speaker 4 (18:04):
So she had questions, but to avoid peap questions from
other people, she was just telling people that Bill had
died of an aneurysm. But after they did a service
for him, Beverly gets a call from a medical examiner,
and that medical examiner said that a pathologist found something
interesting which kind of put the brakes on the whole
(18:24):
cremation thing.
Speaker 1 (18:25):
Yeah, and autopsy revealed that Bill's spleen was still intact.
It was inside his body, it was untouched. There was
no evidence he had endured that artery aneurysm, but his
inferior vena cave.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
You're the doctor, you got it.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
The largest vein in the body, which connects the liver
to the heart, that had been dissected, and there was
no clamp or no evidence that anyone tried to use
a clamp to stop the bleeding.
Speaker 3 (18:55):
You know what else was wrong inside Bill's body? No liver.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
His liver was gone. In fact, guess where it was. Yeah,
the liver was in the container mark spleen.
Speaker 3 (19:12):
They're still investigating this. It's not unheard of.
Speaker 4 (19:15):
Like I said, we have seen other reports of these
never events. Thankfully they rarely happen, hence the term. But
you think about the thousands and thousands of medical procedures
that are done every single day. Now from the opposite perspective,
think about a doctor that does that. David Ring is
an orthopedic surgeon at University of Texas at Austin Dell
(19:38):
Medical School, and about a decade ago, he accidentally performed
a carpal tunnel release rather than a trigger finger release
on a patient. And about fifteen minutes after that surgery,
the mistaken surgery, he's doing his dictation in his office
(19:59):
and real he had done the wrong procedure. Now that
would not have been life threatening, obviously, but still he
said he was devastated. It was his sixth final surgery
of the day. An earlier patient had been distressed during
her otherwise successful operation, an unusual situation that was rattling
(20:21):
around in this guy's head. The surgery was behind schedule,
so administrators actually moved David Ring's final patient to a
different operating room. That was a change in personnel. The
nurse who had performed the preop assessment was not the
one who was in the room with doctor Ring and
the rest of the team.
Speaker 1 (20:38):
Well, it seems like this was a bad doctor, the
one that mistaked the liver for the spleen. I mean, yeah,
that's obvious, right, But there were there were red flags
the procedure the doctor ordered.
Speaker 2 (20:52):
It was after five pm.
Speaker 1 (20:53):
They only had a skeletal crew present, so the staff
would be less equipped to respond to potential implications. Number
of people in the or were worried that this doctor
did not have the skill level to perform this procedure,
that this doctor Schachnovsky had an established pattern of errors
in ther most seriously, in twenty twenty three, he removed
(21:16):
a portion of a man's pancreas instead of a mass
on his adrenal gland. The patient survived, but was permanently harmed,
and Sheknovsky was allowed to continue practice medicine at this hospital.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (21:29):
One of the things they say about never events is
that it's rare that it's just one person involved. That
sometimes somebody gets there's often a miscommunication. But I would
think that in an event like somebody removing your liver
instead of your spleen, if you had more eyeballs on it,
somebody would raise their hand and go, wait a minute,
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go for the little purple thing, not the big purple thing.
Speaker 1 (21:53):
Well, and after he did the first error causing that
severe hemorrhage cutting that line from the liver to the heart,
that he did not he did not take the clamp
that was offered to him by the tech, by the
scrub tech because you know, surgeons don't listen to scrub
techs because that would just be, you know, not a
n narcissist thing to do, and majority of them are narcissists.
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And that he was firing the staping stapling device blindly
into Bill Bryan's abdomen. But then when when the when
the wife Beverly went back to ask questions of this staff,
everyone was quiet. You wonder how many of these things happened.
They go, oh, you're you know, your your your family
and member didn't make it. And then you just never
hear the true details.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
And you don't know the enough to ask the questions.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
I would have no idea.
Speaker 4 (22:42):
This guy's medical license has been suspended by Florida and Alabama,
and the company that owns the hospital didn't do an interview.
Beverly has not received any apology or any admission of
wrongdoing as of yet from the company or the doctor's
time a True Crime.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
Tuesday, The story is true, sounds true?
Speaker 6 (23:05):
No, it sounds made up.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
I don't know. Garry and Shannon present True Crimeugh.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
This is.
Speaker 4 (23:19):
One of those unsolved cases that we like to do,
the cold cases that it gets solved. But this is
one of the unsolved ones from nineteen ninety four. Rainy
November night nineteen ninety four of the UK, Lindsay Rymer
walked a short route from a home to a local
shop to buy corn flakes. Her body was discovered in
(23:43):
a nearby canal a few months later, and they she
still had the exact change in her.
Speaker 3 (23:48):
Pocket from the night that she bought her corn flakes.
They were not usually.
Speaker 2 (23:55):
God bless you, God bless you sad stories.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Yeah, and Santa Claus.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
However, a couple detectives we're talking about this case that
they're working on. One of them says the police forces
received a call that morning about a young girl would
not turned up for a daily paper route and her
parents were concerned because she didn't look like she'd been
home all night.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
The guys agreed there was something that was concerning about this. Now,
it wasn't unusual for teenagers to disappear overnight and then
just turn up the next day. But everyone knows everyone
in this town of Hebden.
Speaker 4 (24:37):
Bridge, outside of Halifax this they call it a hippie
spirited troune.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
A town surrounded by rolling hills and stone bridges.
Speaker 1 (24:49):
Kate is Lindsay's sister. She was twenty when Lindsay disappeared.
She says, we were just a normal family before that night.
Then it all exploded.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
I guess when she left the house. Her dad was
on the phone, so Lindy call.
Speaker 4 (25:06):
Lindsay called at the nearby trades club where mom was
meeting with some friends, got some money for it from
her so she could buy the cereal, and Mom showed
up later. Lindsay's parents went to bed and just assumed
that Lindsay had come home and gone straight up to
her room in the attic, but she didn't and they
didn't know what it was now. Grainy footage from the
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shop captured her leaving about ten o'clock at night. She
was spotted just a couple of minutes later by a
couple of bus passengers leaning against the wall near the
memorial Garden.
Speaker 1 (25:38):
That was the last confirmed sighting of her alive. In
the early days of There's This disappearance, the police a
community joined forces. They combed the area. Close friends moved
in with the family. They would stay up all night brainstorming,
writing down leads. They had charts everything very beautiful mind esque.
A week into the search and the CIS plays the
(26:02):
role of Lindsay in a televised reconstruction eerie. She says,
I was insistent I wanted to take part. She was
my build. We looked similar. It was the least I
could do to try and find her.
Speaker 4 (26:15):
So, with no leads in a tiny little town of
hebden Bridge, they tried to come up with a profile,
just to give them something to work off of. So
they said, probably a suspect that would be able to drive.
Somebody late teens, early twenties, maybe somebody that she would
have been attracted to. So they thought, is it possible
that there's an older brother of one of her friends
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that she knew or may have been attracted to. They
eventually found the driver of a stolen red Honda Civic.
They thought, maybe that this red Honda Civic was in
town when Lindsay disappeared.
Speaker 3 (26:52):
Maybe this this.
Speaker 4 (26:54):
Driver had tried to talk to other schoolgirls or something
like that.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
And the detective remembers thinking, Okay, this is our let's
get him in. Turned out the man had an alibi.
He was ruled out.
Speaker 4 (27:05):
Yeah, because and it wasn't just an alibi like oh
my I was out with my buddies. He was spoken
to by a police officer several miles away at about
the time that Lindsay would have left the shop.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Then in April of nineteen ninety five, so that would
have been about six months later. Her body was found
a mile out of the town center by two council
workers who were clearing debris from the waterway.
Speaker 4 (27:30):
They said that Lindsay had been strangled, it was likely
on the night she vanished, and that her body was
dumped then. Her arms of her jumper had been tied
together in a sling with a stone to try to
weigh her down, but no evidence of any other kind
of assault.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Hundreds of witness statements were taken, Officers booked to thousands
of people, examined hundreds of vehicles. No progress. Over the years,
the cases remained open. There have been moments where a
breakthrough appeared with a touching distance, but.
Speaker 4 (28:00):
And two people arrested. A sixty three year old man
arrested in November of twenty sixteen, a sixty eight year
old man arrested a few months after that. Both of
those guys released without charges.
Speaker 1 (28:12):
They say the shadow of Lindsay's murder still looms across
Hebden Bridge weighs heavily on the minds of both former
and current officers. The fact that this thing was not solved.
They are still committed to finding this killer, by the way.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
And the hope is that that DNA technology is what
breaks that free.
Speaker 2 (28:30):
Do you want to hear a wild story that Chris
Little just sent me?
Speaker 3 (28:33):
Sure?
Speaker 2 (28:34):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (28:35):
He says, it's three point thirty am this morning. We're
sound asleep. I vaguely hear who I think is Chad
his son, saying the.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Police are here.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
Then a guy with a flashlight steps into our bedroom
and says, do you guys live here? Or are you
just bad guys sleeping in someone else's bed. He's the cop,
the person the voice who said the police were here.
He steps further into the bedroom, goes in, shines his
light in the bathroom, into our closet down the hall.
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We take him on a tour to make sure nobody's
in the house. Apparently the wind blew open a couple
of feebly secured French doors and the alarm went off.
ADT had called, but since my retirement, my forced retirement,
I'd put my phone on do not Disturb. For the
first time in thirty years, he didn't hear the call
(29:30):
from adyt Oh my god. About twenty minutes later, the
cop left because there were no bad guys here, and
we went back to sleep and the sun Chad never
heard a.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
Thing, went back to sleep.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
That's the that's the shocker of the entire story.
Speaker 6 (29:45):
Yeah no.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Don you imagine waking up and there's some dude flashing
a light on you and your wife and.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
He's like, are you guys live hair? Are you're just
the bad guy's sleeping.
Speaker 3 (29:53):
You got to get a dog.
Speaker 2 (29:54):
Holy hell, that's terrifying.
Speaker 3 (29:58):
Thanks my god. Through crime, you've been listening to The
Gary and Shannon Show.
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