September 30, 2025 • 34 mins
Gary and Shannon lead with a #WhatsHappening segment covering the MLB Playoffs, Hurricane Humberto’s Fujiwhara effect, an LASD lawsuit over concealed carry delays, and Newsom’s new AI bill.
Then they dig into a Saudi comedy festival that’s paying stars huge checks but drawing sharp backlash over ethics and PR.
Finally, it’s #TrueCrimeTuesday with a deep dive into the notorious Yogurt Shop Murders, the case of four teen girls brutally killed, and how investigators ultimately cracked the mystery, now retold in a new HBO Max docuseries.
Then they dig into a Saudi comedy festival that’s paying stars huge checks but drawing sharp backlash over ethics and PR.
Finally, it’s #TrueCrimeTuesday with a deep dive into the notorious Yogurt Shop Murders, the case of four teen girls brutally killed, and how investigators ultimately cracked the mystery, now retold in a new HBO Max docuseries.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Coming up in True Crime Tuesday,
we'll be talking about the yogurt shop murders, the subject
of a very popular documentary on HBO. Looks like renewed
interest in this one helped put a bow on who
(00:21):
they think did this. These are four teenage girls bound,
gagged and shot in the head in Austin, Texas, December
nineteen ninety one, and now it looks like DNA has
put this story to bed in terms of who was responsible.
It's one of those cases that went through a lot
of different phases, including convictions that were overturned. A city
(00:48):
that was basically hostage with fear after four young girls
are shot and killed in a local yogurt shop.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Remember those.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I can't believe it's yogurt. Those are kind of popular
here and there.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I can't believe it's yogurt. I've never heard of that. No,
I can't believe it's not butter.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I mean yogurt shops all go through I can't believe
it's yogurt type of messaging.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Oh, it's so good. It should be ice cream.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I can't believe it's yogurt, but it was actually called
I can't believe it's yogurt.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
In the meantime, what else is going on? Yeah? Time
for what's happening.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
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Speaker 1 (01:43):
Goodness baseball all day long. You didn't even have to
get out of your underwear today. I mean I did, though,
I mean no, no, no, wait, I said that wrong.
You could have just sat in your underwear all day long.
I guess I might still, you know, yeah I might.
There are two games that are going on right now.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
As a matter of fact, the Tiger's Cardinals been going
They're in the top of the eighth. Tigers are leading
that one Guardians. That I say Cardinals, I meant to
So Tigers are up two to one there in Cleveland.
Padres and Cubs are about to start up at Wrigley
Field later on, Red Sox Yankees at three o'clock, first
pitch and then the big one. Red's Dodgers Game one
of their wild Card series comes along just after six o'clock.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
T's going to be a good series.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Hurricane Umberto maybe affecting Hurricane Emelda. Umberto is a Category
four hurricane, not any not anywhere close to the United States,
and not expected to make landfall. But they're saying that
it has been so close to Imelda that it might
actually be pulling Amelda away from the United States. That
(02:49):
is the what the who effect?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
The what.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
The uh?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Right? Yes, right, but that's that could potentially be good
news if it pulls it away from the Eastern.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Seaboard, all right.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
The US Department of Justice is suing L Kenny Sheriff's Department.
They say they're not giving out guns quick enough well
permits to carry concealed weapons.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
They say that apartment violated the Constitution by moving too
slowly to process gun licenses for people who want to
carry concealed weapons. The lawsuit comes up to the DOJ
began analyzing concealed carry permit applications in the county starting
last month.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I don't think I've ever heard of the timing of
concealed car I would imagine it takes a minute.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
The Sheriff's department waits and average two h eighty one
days to start processing applications. That seems to be very long.
So the law says you got to initially review the
paperwork within ninety days.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
So nine months that's too long to even start the
review of the application.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It's why you go get burn it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Today, California, a jewelry store was the target of a
big smash and grab up in San Ramon. They have
arrested some of the people, I believe, but they said
that there were twenty suspect armed with guns and hammers.
At least one of those fired shots through the front
entrance of that building.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Look out for your Albertson's Deli items including pasta and
grilled chicken. There could be some lysteria in their kickstart
your fall weight loss plan. Let's see ready meals, pesto,
bow tie pasta salad. A lot of the pesto, a
lot of the bow tie salads are the culprits, so
just be careful.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Also, countertop ovens are being recalled your oaster French door
countertop oven.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Do you even have one of those?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You have like three of them.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
According to the Consumer Product Safety Commission. They were sold
at Pedbath and behind Costco, Walmart and other stores. And
if you purchased one and your house has not down, well,
good for you. Gavin Newsom has decided that he's going
to sign this bill for Artificial intelligence safety measures. He
(05:09):
signed this bill into all we talked about a little
bit earlier. There are really three things that it does.
Number one, it requires some AI companies, the largest AI
companies to implement and disclose public safety protocols prevent their
most advanced models from being used to cause major harm.
Then it also allows for whistleblowers whistleblower protections for any
(05:33):
AI worker that establishes a public cloud for researchers as well,
and then a million dollar fine per violation if the
companies that are doing this are found to violate any
parts of the new law.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Any want to do the friend dresser story that was
the last one. No, No, I don't star in the
Hollywood No.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
In reading that name Marco, this kind of like makes
me cringe a little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
She's the one with the annoying voice. Right, that was
a put on. I don't care. It was put on
for far too long.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
All Right, we've got true crime coming up, it looks
like DNA has once again given what you could call closure,
I guess for some families also.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And coming up this is they played this out in
golf before Saudi Arabian backed events and whether or not
we in the United States should be involved with them.
Should we take this money? It's a lot of money,
but is it worth it?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
These are the ethical questions that we face and we
answer head off. You're not going to hear that ethical
dilemma dug into only on this show.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Garian Shannon will continue also a chance for you to
win a thousand bucks. That's exciting less than Saudi Arabia,
but it's more than nothing.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
A bunch of stories that are going on today. Obviously
that big meeting that took place this morning when Defense
Secretary Pete Hegseth sat down with a couple hundred of
his closest generals and admirals and talked about the way
that the American military is going to go is going
to look going forward, trimmer, fitter.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
We don't want fat generals. We don't want fat generals.
What if there were what.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
If there were fat generals in that audience, you know,
I mean there.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Were just by sheer numbers, I'm sure there were. I
there were a handful of them that were like, wait,
I have listened test.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
If I put in forty years of military service, I'm
gonna be fat, and I'm gonna like it, and you're
gonna like it. And furthermore, if that sure you are,
if there is a four star general and he's fat,
you're gonna like it because he's done his time.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Right, Yeah, but the Secretary of Defense gets to change
that rule.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
No, yeah, No, I'm sorry, you're seventy five and Pete
haig Seth from Princeton is going to tell you to
drop twenty five pounds Princeton.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
No, yes, I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
A big earthquake down in Indonesia six point nine, sorry Philippines,
Central Philippines. But there are a series of other earthquakes
that have been also recorded in Indonesia.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Just to be clear, they're talking about like the rank
and file guys being in shape, they're not talking about
the guys in that room.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Well, he and he did say it in a way
where he said something like, if the Secretary Defense can
do these things, then everybody can.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I think you're right. I don't know if it's going
to apply to all of the people in that room.
Now they make their own rules.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
So when the live Golf Tour started up, there were
a lot of people criticizing golfers who went to play
for this Saudi Arabian backed golf tournament.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Golf tour is a better way.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
To put it, because they're getting paid ridiculous truckloads of
pantloads of money because Saudi Arabia knows that it's got
a pr black eye, you know, killing journalists, financing parts
of this September eleventh attacks, you know, little things like that.
(09:27):
Mark Maron, podcaster comedian, he put it best when he said,
how do you even promote Saudi Arabia from the folks
that brought you nine to eleven two weeks of laughter
in the desert. There is a comedy festival coming up. Sorry,
it began two days ago and it runs through the
ninth of August. The Riod Comedy Festival. It is literally
(09:51):
what it sounds like, a comedy festival. Think Netflix is
a joke which happens every May here in la But
the Riod Comedy festival features a variety of big names.
You've got Dave Chappelle, Kevin Hart as he's en Sorry,
Pete Davidson, Andrew Schultz, Joe Cooy, Bill Kerr, Jessica Kerson,
(10:14):
Jimmy Carr, Luis c Ka, among others. And all of
these people are making ridiculous amounts of money to come
out for this re odd comedy fow.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Is this like Greg Norman launching live? Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So it's like cashing the check from Saudi Arabia because
it's a massive check despite the PR problem that you
pointed out. So it's using your name, hoooring out your
name for money in the in for the sake of money.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yes okay.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And it's Saudi Arabia banking on the the they have.
They can add a zero to whatever paycheck these guys,
we're gonna get or to.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
What's their endgame? What does Saudi Arabia want? Is it
just good PR?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
They want PR.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
They want they want to be back in the good
graces of everybody. And if they can turn themselves into
sort of the I don't know, the cultural Mecca using
that word intentionally of the Middle East, then maybe they
get back in the good graces here. For example, Mark
Meron talking about the Riad Comedy Festival.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Saudi Arabia Comedy Festival.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
I mean, how do you even promote that, you know,
like from the folks that brought you nine to eleven
two weeks of laughter in the desert, don't miss it.
I mean, the same guy that's gonna pay them is
the same guy that paid that guy that bonsa jamal koshogi.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
All right, he drops an F bomb right after that,
but put to jamal koshogi into a suitcase.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Shane Gillis is one of the guys that's got a
problem with this.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I love Shane Gillis, by the way.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well he was so he's offered, right, he was offered
one of the invites and helimed that the organizers again
Saudi Arabia bottomless pit when it comes to money, bottomless.
He said that organizers doubled the bag his term, Wow, they.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Doubled the amount of money.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Like I said, yeah, they could easily just slap another
zero or two on the end of the number in
order to get these people to go out there.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And he declined to participate.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
This is part of the Royal Family's vision twenty thirty project.
They say it's they're trying to diversify the country's economy,
establish Saudi Arabia as a destination for sports and culture.
So that's why they're buying up or investing into people
and teams and brands.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
The other performers Sebastian Menascalco maz Jabroni, Tom Segurro, Whitney Cummings,
Russell Peters, Andrew Santino, Bobby Lee, Christ Stefano, Mark Norman,
Gabrielle Glaciers, Hannibal Burris, Sam Moral, Jeff Ross, Ali Sadid you.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Have a question about this, isn't I mean, the State
Department advises against LGBTQ plus.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Visitors to Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, so how does that play into the all these
people signing up?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Well, I mean they're not those people, but I don't
think very many of them are.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But it doesn't matter, I mean, isn't. Well that's the
other thing.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
One of the great things about American comedy and stand
up comedy specifically, is you don't get to tell stand
up comedians what they can and cannot talk about.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
You.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
If you want to go do a set about how
great gay people are, yeah, you go do it?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, absolutely? Or how about this? How how corrupt the
Saudi Arabian government is?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, oh, that'll be interesting to see if they do
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Nobody's going to do anything like that now.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Of course not because what are the rules in that
land for things that the government or the royal family
doesn't like that?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You say, can they kill you for it? One of
the comed one comedian Atsuko, I don't like it. I'm
grossed out by this. I that's my initial reaction too.
I'm open minded if someone wants to explain to me
why this is a good idea, Yeah, yeah, same, but.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I don't like it either.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
This one comedian posted screenshots of what she said was
her invite to the festival, including a section on content
restriction that prohibited people from performing material that may be
quote considered to degrade to fame or bring into public disrespute, contempt, scandal, embarrassment,
or ridicule Saudi Arabia, it's royal family or religion of
(14:31):
any kind. Now, if you've followed any of those comedians,
some of them, that's a real good, strong part of
their set. I mean, as an example, Andrew Schultz, Andrew Schultz,
some of The most viral content that he puts out
is going into places.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I don't remember if it was Dubai.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
It was somewhere, and he laid out because there were
no restrictions like that. He laid out people of all
the different religions that were present in his audience because
he could. First of all, he's a smart enough comedian
to do it, but that there were no restrictions on it.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Did you see how many cans of cours Light gave
their lives on the two ten and that crash and
Azuza this morning?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
The only thing I can say, we're depressing. Thank goodness,
it was COR's Light. What are you talking about? Korslight
is delicious. It's like Dorito's. You can't have just one. No,
I don't make more.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I know, but that's a good thing about cors Light.
You can have a case and it's a nice afternoon,
just like Dorito's. You can have the whole bag. Okay,
I'll just say this. Human rights watchdogs are now urging
comedians to use their platform to talk about the awareness
of detention of journalists and execution of journalists. The last
thing you want for comedy is human rights watchdogs weigh
(15:46):
in on your content. I've got a good bit, but lord,
that sounds awful.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I have this whole bit on journalists who get kidnapped
really great. It's really get out and wait. My kicker
is Daniel Pearl.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It's like, I don't want to hear comedians doing bits
about Saudi Arabia, Like that's not funny to me, even
if you are dressed those things. It's like, Okay, let's
go back seven thousand years and talk about how gay
people should be executed.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
But I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I mean, there are plenty of high profile comedians you
meant we mentioned Shane Gillis is one of them who
did turn down this deal on.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You know, they're the round. I would have a.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Real problem if you came in tomorrow and you're like, hey,
they called, I'm going, and I'd be like, you're what,
where's your character? Okay, backbone? If I make one hundred
and flies your America.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
If I make one hundred and fifty bucks a night
m seeing a show at the Laugh Factory in Hollywood,
I think it was seventy five bucks a night. I
made seventy five bucks a night m seeing a show
at the laugh Factory in Hollywood, and the Saudi Arabian
government says to me, Hey, we're going to put you
up in the Chateau MArmand and you're going to be
doing the comedy Store. We'll pay you nine thousand dollars
(17:00):
for one night. That's all like an indecent proposal. I'd
be like, uh, okay.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Your clothes would come off. I'm not saying I would
do that, but it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Just sounds like you're saying different exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
But that would be the difference. I mean, these comedians,
some of them are very successful. Dave Chappelle can make
about the golden rule of the show.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Speaker 3 (17:23):
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Speaker 1 (18:20):
I knew I was being provocative. I knew what I
was doing. It didn't go well, but he didn't throw up.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
He's never been as.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Displeased with me as he was in that moment. And
I think he said something to the effect of, yeah,
he was really upset.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
He said something to the effect of like I expected
more from you, or something like that, I think, And
I said, I think I bought this just to bother
you so.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I could offer you. There's something about okay, just a second,
just let me say that Gary and Shannon KFI and
well everywhere I app uh, the the size of that
is also a little bit off. It's a little out
of kilter, like it's just big enough that as you
(19:13):
put it in your mouth, you fold.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It the seaweed.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, it's like a full It's like a gram cracker
size thing of seaweed and you just fold it and
then pop it in.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
What do you want me? How would you? You don't
you think they should be smaller pieces.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Listen, princess, I don't want you to eat seaweed at all.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I know you don't, but I tried to shield you
from it.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
No you did not.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
You sat right in front of me, shovel in your mouth.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Well, I was gonna make some easy mac, but I
didn't have time, so I just grabbed the seaweed.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Anyway, Guys, going to third? Was there a Marazon?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Third?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Now bottom of the Knights? At bottom of the Knight?
Run on third? How we got here? No outs? No outs,
no outs?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You had me rolling right now.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I spit my freaking soroke out. You don't even have.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
To get out of your underwek I know.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I said, thank you for the laugh.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Man.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
You guys have a great rest of your day. So
look at this throw. It's from the shortstop to the
first basement. The first baseman can't scoop it and then
hits the runner, so that ball goes down the right
field line runner ends up on third because of the error.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Oh my goodness, gracious, guys, what a moment, What a
rallying moment for all of Cleveland. I feel bad for
the Cleveland Browns and what a wasted defense.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Defense is so good.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
These are called the Cleveland Guardians.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Right, These are the Guardians, and they play baseball and
they're down one run, but the tying run in the
bottom of the ninth is on third.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Who's up now? Who's this guy? George Valera, pinch hitter.
It's time, by the way, for our True Crime Tuesday.
The sounds true, No, it sounds made up.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I don't know. Gerry and Shannon present true Crime.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well, it was December sixth, nineteen ninety one, when four
teenage girls were bound, gagged, and shot in the head
at an I can't believe it's yogurt store. Two of
them had worked there. The building was then set on fire.
Here's what happened. It was Eliza Thomas and Jennifer Harbison,
(21:48):
both seventeen years old, were working.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
This was on a commercial street.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
In Austin, Texas, and it was a place described as
kind of an everyday Middle America retail space in a
strip mall, A friend, Amy thirteen, and Jennifer's sister Sarah
fifteen drop by, and around closing time someone shows up
(22:12):
and does all the damage. The bodies of the four
teenagers were discovered the next morning when firefighters were sent
to the shop because it was on fire. It had
been set with lighter fluid. The girls had been tied
up with their clothes, shot in the head with a
twenty two. Amy was also shot with a three to
eighty pistol. At least two of them had been sexually assaulted.
(22:35):
Three bodies were dumped in a back room covered with styrofoone.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Cups, styrophone cups.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Well, you know when you work in these places, there's
huge boxes full of nothing but styrofoam.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Obviously, this is a This is a horrific crime scene,
made all that much more difficult to investigate because of
the conditions the fire et cetera, water damage, compromise, a
bunch of the physical evidence. They said, thousands of tips
poured in, but most of them led nowhere, and there
was no suspect, I mean, ever, conclusively tied to the crime.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
This thing went cold.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Investigators have said that around closing time someone was either
in the store or had entered through the back door.
That's where he tacked the girls and set the fire.
Like you said, they chased thousands of lead and leads,
including multiple confessions, before, like you mentioned, the case went
cold for years. It was eight years later, in nineteen
(23:33):
ninety nine that police arrested four men who were juveniles
at the time of the crime. Two of them, Robert
Springsteen and Michael Scott, confessed and implicated each other, but
later recanted and said their statements were coerced by the police,
but they were convicted. Springsteen sent to death row before
(23:53):
the sentence was reduced to life in prison. Both convictions
later overturned, and then the charges were dropped in two
thousand and nine when DNA evidence was run through the
system and detectives said, oops, it's not either one of
these guys who we're looking for as a previously unknown
male at the crime scene man.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Just this week, in fact, two days ago, the Austin
Police Department announced that they had a suspect that they
linked a guy to the killings of those girls inside
that yogurt shop. Thirty four years later, when we come back,
we'll tell you about some of.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Them now runner picked off after what it was an
awful at bat just popped out to the picture.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
He ground out to the ground, out to the picture. Jesus,
I mean that's not good. Jesus would not have ground out. No,
Jesus would not have Jesus take the bat.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Investigator said that the breakthrough came in just the last
few weeks.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
We'll talk about it when we come back.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KA six.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Forty fifteen minutes or so before the government shuts down.
When you feel man, tomorrow morning, you are going to
feel it.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Feel it.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I mean it does suck.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It definitely sucks for people who are employed by the
federal government and the not knowing of what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
It's just going to be another mess. It's just going
to be an absolute mess.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
We are in the midst of true Crime Tuesday, and
we're talking about these four teenage girls who are found bound, gagged,
and murdered inside a frozen yogurt shop in Austin, Texas
in nineteen ninety one. They have talked about years of relentless,
old fashioned detective work. Advances in DNA technology was what
(25:43):
finally led them to a suspect. Thousands of tips I
mean shell casings, more than a dozen forensic labs consulted
samples taken from fingernails and ice cream scoop a belt buckle,
crimes in other states reviewed for possible links. Tennessee, Kentucky,
(26:05):
South Carolina agencies working together, and then finally last week
there was a breakthrough. The renewed interest, by the way,
was doing large part to HBO put together one of
those really well done documentaries about the crime and called
the Yogurt Shop Murders and so heightened awareness on the
(26:26):
case there and like I said, last week, a breakthrough.
They identified a man, Robert Brasher's, who was responsible.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Investigators said the breakthrough came when advanced testing revealed the
DNA that was found under the thirteen year old's fingernails.
Thirteen year old Amy Amy Ayres that the DNA found
underneath her fingernails matched him. He had previously been connected
to homicides in both Missouri and South Carolina, a rape
(26:55):
in Tennessee, and get this, Amy Ayre's dad, Bob said,
I have never been so proud of my daughter in
all her life. He said that he believed Amy managed
to and his words gathered the DNA during a desperate
struggle with her attacker. He said, our whole family knew
(27:16):
there was something about Amy that would eventually help solve this.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I get chills because that was when I just heard
you say those words, that it was a DNA found
out of the fingernails of thirteen year old Amy. I'm thinking,
what a fighter like? What a fighter you know, knowing
it or not knowing it. How could you know in
nineteen ninety one about DNA and the fact of all
of that and being thirteen. But I can see how
(27:42):
you would have such pride, and it's something to hold
on to when your daughter is ripped from your life
like that the way that that happened.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Now the guy is dead.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
He'd killed himself actually during a standoff with Missouri police
back in nineteen ninety nine. But he'd already, like I mentioned,
been in this involved in this string of other crimes.
And they're still trying to piece together why Robert Brasher's
was in Austin the night of the murders. They did
note they do have a record of him having been
(28:13):
stopped by police in al Paso, Texas.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
A couple of days later.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, two days after the Austin murders, he was stopped.
He was driving a stolen truck from Georgia heading to Arizona,
and they confiscated a three eighty caliber handgun, the same
caliber of the handgun used at the scene on one
of the girls, later returned to his father. They believe
(28:39):
that same gun was used in his suicide as well.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, the dad gave it back to him. It was
the same make and model. Also, you already mentioned that
in the suicide. Investigators said they faced a bunch of
hurdles early on, like I mentioned the fire and watered
damage from the original scene. But as for the families,
you know, pam ayres Amy's mother told the Austin American
(29:08):
Statesman that she's still trying to process these new revelations.
That's a That is also one of the things that
is too often part of these cold cases is.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
The re.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
I don't want to say this the wound ever closes,
but sort of the reopening of the scar of losing
a teenage daughter like that.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
We've spent time talking about forgiveness, Charlie Kirk's widow talking
about forgiving the shooter, how forgiving people can is good
for you, I believe, because you're not caring around that
that hate in you. It doesn't do you any good.
It's detrimental to you. It's not really about the other person.
(29:52):
It's just about something you give to yourself in terms
of freeing yourself of that kind of hate.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I think the.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Hardest forgiveness would be somebody who takes your child. That
would be the biggest forgiveness hurdle ever.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, and again, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I mean, that's a tough that's a tough order. How
are you supposed to live without that hate in your heart?
You know, for someone who takes your child.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Like that, and you're not going to forgive obviously what
had happened. But we got this question yesterday as a
matter of fact, from one of the talkbacks when we
were discussing the issue of forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I have a question for you, Gary, would you forgive
someone if he killed one of your family members?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I have no idea, I mean, I can't. One of
the reasons that I'm fascinated by this issue or the
topic of forgiveness, especially in an instance like that, I
think Erica Kirk, who unfortunately probably saw her husband murdered
on social media. I mean, she didn't see it live,
(31:03):
she wasn't there. Or Tim Allen, whose father was taken
from him in a car accident. I mean, I can't
wrap my head around the loss of a member of
my immediate family. Can't wrap my head around it. Don't
want to imagine it, don't want to think about it.
I don't think anybody does. But then the question of
would I be able to forgive somebody in an instance
(31:23):
like that, well, how could you? I mean for these families.
I mean, the Ayers family lost their thirteen year old
daughter in a the most brutal way. It's not an accident,
it wasn't a faceless shooting somewhere like it was a
brutal murder. And they lived with.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
This for thirty four years.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, and to think that their daughter would now be
a forty seven year old, probably a mom, and you know,
her own career, and I mean that stuff I can't
wrap my head around. So the idea that somebody would
be able to forgive like that is a power that
I do not.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I don't know if I have it. I don't know.
I don't want to think about it.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I don't want to put myself in a position where
I would have to forgive somebody like that.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Now, what I'd like you to think about is how
you would feel if Manny Machado striked struck out right now, I.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Have no love lost for that guy.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I know, I know I'd feel good about it. I'd
love to see him strike it.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
People talk about how, you know, he's a really good
guy and he does a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Of charity work. Okay, whatever, But but I've just.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I've watched him play baseball for thirteen years now, twelve
years or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I don't like the vibe. The vibes are off. I
wouldn't even like him if he was one of my guys.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I'm just gonna say like it was on the Dodgers,
because it made me hate him even that.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
There's certain players where you're like, okay, if he's playing
for us, all right, you know, like Ry you hate
him because he plays for somebody else, Dion Sanders, Okay,
Richard Sherman. But there's good ones, certain players that like
you know, are just seem like not good guys and
(33:10):
they just have like a bad chip on their shoulder.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
This is not and it's just not baseball.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
And it's one thing to say that there he's probably
a good he's probably a good leader in the clubhouse,
like he can motivate the other guys, but in the
moment that you turn against him or he's so yeah,
he senses the slightest bit of He's.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Like Robert Sala. He's like, don't f with me.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I will ruin your effing life.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Well, that was great. We waited until the Postgames. That
was so good. I love Robert Sala. Okay, keep it
in your pants, little princess.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
All right, John Cobel, show us up next. We'll see
you tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Stay dry, everybody, blessings.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show, you
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This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Coming up in True Crime Tuesday,
we'll be talking about the yogurt shop murders, the subject
of a very popular documentary on HBO. Looks like renewed
interest in this one helped put a bow on who
(00:21):
they think did this. These are four teenage girls bound,
gagged and shot in the head in Austin, Texas, December
nineteen ninety one, and now it looks like DNA has
put this story to bed in terms of who was responsible.
It's one of those cases that went through a lot
of different phases, including convictions that were overturned. A city
(00:48):
that was basically hostage with fear after four young girls
are shot and killed in a local yogurt shop.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Remember those.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
I can't believe it's yogurt. Those are kind of popular
here and there.
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I can't believe it's yogurt. I've never heard of that. No,
I can't believe it's not butter.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
I mean yogurt shops all go through I can't believe
it's yogurt type of messaging.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
Oh, it's so good. It should be ice cream.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
I can't believe it's yogurt, but it was actually called
I can't believe it's yogurt.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
In the meantime, what else is going on? Yeah? Time
for what's happening.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
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nine sixty. Baseball playoffs are under my.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Goodness baseball all day long. You didn't even have to
get out of your underwear today. I mean I did, though,
I mean no, no, no, wait, I said that wrong.
You could have just sat in your underwear all day long.
I guess I might still, you know, yeah I might.
There are two games that are going on right now.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
As a matter of fact, the Tiger's Cardinals been going
They're in the top of the eighth. Tigers are leading
that one Guardians. That I say Cardinals, I meant to
So Tigers are up two to one there in Cleveland.
Padres and Cubs are about to start up at Wrigley
Field later on, Red Sox Yankees at three o'clock, first
pitch and then the big one. Red's Dodgers Game one
of their wild Card series comes along just after six o'clock.
Speaker 2 (02:22):
T's going to be a good series.
Speaker 3 (02:26):
Hurricane Umberto maybe affecting Hurricane Emelda. Umberto is a Category
four hurricane, not any not anywhere close to the United States,
and not expected to make landfall. But they're saying that
it has been so close to Imelda that it might
actually be pulling Amelda away from the United States. That
(02:49):
is the what the who effect?
Speaker 2 (02:51):
The what.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
The uh?
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Right? Yes, right, but that's that could potentially be good
news if it pulls it away from the Eastern.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Seaboard, all right.
Speaker 1 (03:05):
The US Department of Justice is suing L Kenny Sheriff's Department.
They say they're not giving out guns quick enough well
permits to carry concealed weapons.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (03:14):
They say that apartment violated the Constitution by moving too
slowly to process gun licenses for people who want to
carry concealed weapons. The lawsuit comes up to the DOJ
began analyzing concealed carry permit applications in the county starting
last month.
Speaker 3 (03:32):
I don't think I've ever heard of the timing of
concealed car I would imagine it takes a minute.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
The Sheriff's department waits and average two h eighty one
days to start processing applications. That seems to be very long.
So the law says you got to initially review the
paperwork within ninety days.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
So nine months that's too long to even start the
review of the application.
Speaker 2 (03:59):
It's why you go get burn it.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Today, California, a jewelry store was the target of a
big smash and grab up in San Ramon. They have
arrested some of the people, I believe, but they said
that there were twenty suspect armed with guns and hammers.
At least one of those fired shots through the front
entrance of that building.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Look out for your Albertson's Deli items including pasta and
grilled chicken. There could be some lysteria in their kickstart
your fall weight loss plan. Let's see ready meals, pesto,
bow tie pasta salad. A lot of the pesto, a
lot of the bow tie salads are the culprits, so
just be careful.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
Also, countertop ovens are being recalled your oaster French door
countertop oven.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
Do you even have one of those?
Speaker 1 (04:46):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (04:46):
You have like three of them.
Speaker 3 (04:48):
According to the Consumer Product Safety Commission. They were sold
at Pedbath and behind Costco, Walmart and other stores. And
if you purchased one and your house has not down, well,
good for you. Gavin Newsom has decided that he's going
to sign this bill for Artificial intelligence safety measures. He
(05:09):
signed this bill into all we talked about a little
bit earlier. There are really three things that it does.
Number one, it requires some AI companies, the largest AI
companies to implement and disclose public safety protocols prevent their
most advanced models from being used to cause major harm.
Then it also allows for whistleblowers whistleblower protections for any
(05:33):
AI worker that establishes a public cloud for researchers as well,
and then a million dollar fine per violation if the
companies that are doing this are found to violate any
parts of the new law.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
Any want to do the friend dresser story that was
the last one. No, No, I don't star in the
Hollywood No.
Speaker 1 (05:56):
In reading that name Marco, this kind of like makes
me cringe a little bit.
Speaker 2 (06:02):
She's the one with the annoying voice. Right, that was
a put on. I don't care. It was put on
for far too long.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
All Right, we've got true crime coming up, it looks
like DNA has once again given what you could call closure,
I guess for some families also.
Speaker 3 (06:25):
And coming up this is they played this out in
golf before Saudi Arabian backed events and whether or not
we in the United States should be involved with them.
Should we take this money? It's a lot of money,
but is it worth it?
Speaker 1 (06:44):
These are the ethical questions that we face and we
answer head off. You're not going to hear that ethical
dilemma dug into only on this show.
Speaker 3 (06:56):
Garian Shannon will continue also a chance for you to
win a thousand bucks. That's exciting less than Saudi Arabia,
but it's more than nothing.
Speaker 5 (07:04):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (07:11):
A bunch of stories that are going on today. Obviously
that big meeting that took place this morning when Defense
Secretary Pete Hegseth sat down with a couple hundred of
his closest generals and admirals and talked about the way
that the American military is going to go is going
to look going forward, trimmer, fitter.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
We don't want fat generals. We don't want fat generals.
What if there were what.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
If there were fat generals in that audience, you know,
I mean there.
Speaker 3 (07:40):
Were just by sheer numbers, I'm sure there were. I
there were a handful of them that were like, wait,
I have listened test.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
If I put in forty years of military service, I'm
gonna be fat, and I'm gonna like it, and you're
gonna like it. And furthermore, if that sure you are,
if there is a four star general and he's fat,
you're gonna like it because he's done his time.
Speaker 3 (08:04):
Right, Yeah, but the Secretary of Defense gets to change
that rule.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
No, yeah, No, I'm sorry, you're seventy five and Pete
haig Seth from Princeton is going to tell you to
drop twenty five pounds Princeton.
Speaker 2 (08:16):
No, yes, I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (08:18):
A big earthquake down in Indonesia six point nine, sorry Philippines,
Central Philippines. But there are a series of other earthquakes
that have been also recorded in Indonesia.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
Just to be clear, they're talking about like the rank
and file guys being in shape, they're not talking about
the guys in that room.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Well, he and he did say it in a way
where he said something like, if the Secretary Defense can
do these things, then everybody can.
Speaker 2 (08:43):
I think you're right. I don't know if it's going
to apply to all of the people in that room.
Now they make their own rules.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
So when the live Golf Tour started up, there were
a lot of people criticizing golfers who went to play
for this Saudi Arabian backed golf tournament.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Golf tour is a better way.
Speaker 3 (09:06):
To put it, because they're getting paid ridiculous truckloads of
pantloads of money because Saudi Arabia knows that it's got
a pr black eye, you know, killing journalists, financing parts
of this September eleventh attacks, you know, little things like that.
(09:27):
Mark Maron, podcaster comedian, he put it best when he said,
how do you even promote Saudi Arabia from the folks
that brought you nine to eleven two weeks of laughter
in the desert. There is a comedy festival coming up. Sorry,
it began two days ago and it runs through the
ninth of August. The Riod Comedy Festival. It is literally
(09:51):
what it sounds like, a comedy festival. Think Netflix is
a joke which happens every May here in la But
the Riod Comedy festival features a variety of big names.
You've got Dave Chappelle, Kevin Hart as he's en Sorry,
Pete Davidson, Andrew Schultz, Joe Cooy, Bill Kerr, Jessica Kerson,
(10:14):
Jimmy Carr, Luis c Ka, among others. And all of
these people are making ridiculous amounts of money to come
out for this re odd comedy fow.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
Is this like Greg Norman launching live? Yes, okay.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
So it's like cashing the check from Saudi Arabia because
it's a massive check despite the PR problem that you
pointed out. So it's using your name, hoooring out your
name for money in the in for the sake of money.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
Yes okay.
Speaker 3 (10:46):
And it's Saudi Arabia banking on the the they have.
They can add a zero to whatever paycheck these guys,
we're gonna get or to.
Speaker 1 (10:54):
What's their endgame? What does Saudi Arabia want? Is it
just good PR?
Speaker 2 (10:58):
They want PR.
Speaker 3 (10:59):
They want they want to be back in the good
graces of everybody. And if they can turn themselves into
sort of the I don't know, the cultural Mecca using
that word intentionally of the Middle East, then maybe they
get back in the good graces here. For example, Mark
Meron talking about the Riad Comedy Festival.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
Saudi Arabia Comedy Festival.
Speaker 6 (11:24):
I mean, how do you even promote that, you know,
like from the folks that brought you nine to eleven
two weeks of laughter in the desert, don't miss it.
I mean, the same guy that's gonna pay them is
the same guy that paid that guy that bonsa jamal koshogi.
Speaker 3 (11:44):
All right, he drops an F bomb right after that,
but put to jamal koshogi into a suitcase.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
Shane Gillis is one of the guys that's got a
problem with this.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
I love Shane Gillis, by the way.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
Well he was so he's offered, right, he was offered
one of the invites and helimed that the organizers again
Saudi Arabia bottomless pit when it comes to money, bottomless.
He said that organizers doubled the bag his term, Wow, they.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
Doubled the amount of money.
Speaker 3 (12:13):
Like I said, yeah, they could easily just slap another
zero or two on the end of the number in
order to get these people to go out there.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
And he declined to participate.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
This is part of the Royal Family's vision twenty thirty project.
They say it's they're trying to diversify the country's economy,
establish Saudi Arabia as a destination for sports and culture.
So that's why they're buying up or investing into people
and teams and brands.
Speaker 3 (12:45):
The other performers Sebastian Menascalco maz Jabroni, Tom Segurro, Whitney Cummings,
Russell Peters, Andrew Santino, Bobby Lee, Christ Stefano, Mark Norman,
Gabrielle Glaciers, Hannibal Burris, Sam Moral, Jeff Ross, Ali Sadid you.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
Have a question about this, isn't I mean, the State
Department advises against LGBTQ plus.
Speaker 2 (13:06):
Visitors to Saudi Arabia.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
Yeah, so how does that play into the all these
people signing up?
Speaker 3 (13:11):
Well, I mean they're not those people, but I don't
think very many of them are.
Speaker 2 (13:16):
But it doesn't matter, I mean, isn't. Well that's the
other thing.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
One of the great things about American comedy and stand
up comedy specifically, is you don't get to tell stand
up comedians what they can and cannot talk about.
Speaker 5 (13:28):
You.
Speaker 1 (13:28):
If you want to go do a set about how
great gay people are, yeah, you go do it?
Speaker 3 (13:32):
Yeah, absolutely? Or how about this? How how corrupt the
Saudi Arabian government is?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
Yeah, oh, that'll be interesting to see if they do
anything like that.
Speaker 2 (13:40):
Nobody's going to do anything like that now.
Speaker 1 (13:42):
Of course not because what are the rules in that
land for things that the government or the royal family
doesn't like that?
Speaker 3 (13:49):
You say, can they kill you for it? One of
the comed one comedian Atsuko, I don't like it. I'm
grossed out by this. I that's my initial reaction too.
I'm open minded if someone wants to explain to me
why this is a good idea, Yeah, yeah, same, but.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
I don't like it either.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
This one comedian posted screenshots of what she said was
her invite to the festival, including a section on content
restriction that prohibited people from performing material that may be
quote considered to degrade to fame or bring into public disrespute, contempt, scandal, embarrassment,
or ridicule Saudi Arabia, it's royal family or religion of
(14:31):
any kind. Now, if you've followed any of those comedians,
some of them, that's a real good, strong part of
their set. I mean, as an example, Andrew Schultz, Andrew Schultz,
some of The most viral content that he puts out
is going into places.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
I don't remember if it was Dubai.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
It was somewhere, and he laid out because there were
no restrictions like that. He laid out people of all
the different religions that were present in his audience because
he could. First of all, he's a smart enough comedian
to do it, but that there were no restrictions on it.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
Did you see how many cans of cours Light gave
their lives on the two ten and that crash and
Azuza this morning?
Speaker 3 (15:16):
The only thing I can say, we're depressing. Thank goodness,
it was COR's Light. What are you talking about? Korslight
is delicious. It's like Dorito's. You can't have just one. No,
I don't make more.
Speaker 1 (15:25):
I know, but that's a good thing about cors Light.
You can have a case and it's a nice afternoon,
just like Dorito's. You can have the whole bag. Okay,
I'll just say this. Human rights watchdogs are now urging
comedians to use their platform to talk about the awareness
of detention of journalists and execution of journalists. The last
thing you want for comedy is human rights watchdogs weigh
(15:46):
in on your content. I've got a good bit, but lord,
that sounds awful.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
I have this whole bit on journalists who get kidnapped
really great. It's really get out and wait. My kicker
is Daniel Pearl.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
It's like, I don't want to hear comedians doing bits
about Saudi Arabia, Like that's not funny to me, even
if you are dressed those things. It's like, Okay, let's
go back seven thousand years and talk about how gay
people should be executed.
Speaker 2 (16:13):
But I'm curious.
Speaker 3 (16:14):
I mean, there are plenty of high profile comedians you
meant we mentioned Shane Gillis is one of them who
did turn down this deal on.
Speaker 2 (16:22):
You know, they're the round. I would have a.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Real problem if you came in tomorrow and you're like, hey,
they called, I'm going, and I'd be like, you're what,
where's your character? Okay, backbone? If I make one hundred
and flies your America.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
If I make one hundred and fifty bucks a night
m seeing a show at the Laugh Factory in Hollywood,
I think it was seventy five bucks a night. I
made seventy five bucks a night m seeing a show
at the laugh Factory in Hollywood, and the Saudi Arabian
government says to me, Hey, we're going to put you
up in the Chateau MArmand and you're going to be
doing the comedy Store. We'll pay you nine thousand dollars
(17:00):
for one night. That's all like an indecent proposal. I'd
be like, uh, okay.
Speaker 2 (17:06):
Your clothes would come off. I'm not saying I would
do that, but it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Just sounds like you're saying different exactly.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
But that would be the difference. I mean, these comedians,
some of them are very successful. Dave Chappelle can make
about the golden rule of the show.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (18:20):
I knew I was being provocative. I knew what I
was doing. It didn't go well, but he didn't throw up.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
He's never been as.
Speaker 1 (18:33):
Displeased with me as he was in that moment. And
I think he said something to the effect of, yeah,
he was really upset.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
That's a lot.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
He said something to the effect of like I expected
more from you, or something like that, I think, And
I said, I think I bought this just to bother
you so.
Speaker 3 (18:51):
I could offer you. There's something about okay, just a second,
just let me say that Gary and Shannon KFI and
well everywhere I app uh, the the size of that
is also a little bit off. It's a little out
of kilter, like it's just big enough that as you
(19:13):
put it in your mouth, you fold.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
It the seaweed.
Speaker 3 (19:16):
Yeah, it's like a full It's like a gram cracker
size thing of seaweed and you just fold it and
then pop it in.
Speaker 2 (19:25):
What do you want me? How would you? You don't
you think they should be smaller pieces.
Speaker 3 (19:29):
Listen, princess, I don't want you to eat seaweed at all.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
I know you don't, but I tried to shield you
from it.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
No you did not.
Speaker 3 (19:38):
You sat right in front of me, shovel in your mouth.
Speaker 1 (19:45):
Well, I was gonna make some easy mac, but I
didn't have time, so I just grabbed the seaweed.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Anyway, Guys, going to third? Was there a Marazon?
Speaker 4 (19:59):
Third?
Speaker 2 (19:59):
Now bottom of the Knights? At bottom of the Knight?
Run on third? How we got here? No outs? No outs,
no outs?
Speaker 3 (20:10):
You had me rolling right now.
Speaker 4 (20:13):
I spit my freaking soroke out. You don't even have.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
To get out of your underwek I know.
Speaker 2 (20:24):
I said, thank you for the laugh.
Speaker 6 (20:26):
Man.
Speaker 3 (20:27):
You guys have a great rest of your day. So
look at this throw. It's from the shortstop to the
first basement. The first baseman can't scoop it and then
hits the runner, so that ball goes down the right
field line runner ends up on third because of the error.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
Oh my goodness, gracious, guys, what a moment, What a
rallying moment for all of Cleveland. I feel bad for
the Cleveland Browns and what a wasted defense.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Defense is so good.
Speaker 3 (20:55):
These are called the Cleveland Guardians.
Speaker 1 (20:57):
Right, These are the Guardians, and they play baseball and
they're down one run, but the tying run in the
bottom of the ninth is on third.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Who's up now? Who's this guy? George Valera, pinch hitter.
It's time, by the way, for our True Crime Tuesday.
The sounds true, No, it sounds made up.
Speaker 2 (21:18):
I don't know. Gerry and Shannon present true Crime.
Speaker 1 (21:25):
Well, it was December sixth, nineteen ninety one, when four
teenage girls were bound, gagged, and shot in the head
at an I can't believe it's yogurt store. Two of
them had worked there. The building was then set on fire.
Here's what happened. It was Eliza Thomas and Jennifer Harbison,
(21:48):
both seventeen years old, were working.
Speaker 2 (21:51):
This was on a commercial street.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
In Austin, Texas, and it was a place described as
kind of an everyday Middle America retail space in a
strip mall, A friend, Amy thirteen, and Jennifer's sister Sarah
fifteen drop by, and around closing time someone shows up
(22:12):
and does all the damage. The bodies of the four
teenagers were discovered the next morning when firefighters were sent
to the shop because it was on fire. It had
been set with lighter fluid. The girls had been tied
up with their clothes, shot in the head with a
twenty two. Amy was also shot with a three to
eighty pistol. At least two of them had been sexually assaulted.
(22:35):
Three bodies were dumped in a back room covered with styrofoone.
Speaker 2 (22:39):
Cups, styrophone cups.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
Well, you know when you work in these places, there's
huge boxes full of nothing but styrofoam.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
Obviously, this is a This is a horrific crime scene,
made all that much more difficult to investigate because of
the conditions the fire et cetera, water damage, compromise, a
bunch of the physical evidence. They said, thousands of tips
poured in, but most of them led nowhere, and there
was no suspect, I mean, ever, conclusively tied to the crime.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
This thing went cold.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Investigators have said that around closing time someone was either
in the store or had entered through the back door.
That's where he tacked the girls and set the fire.
Like you said, they chased thousands of lead and leads,
including multiple confessions, before, like you mentioned, the case went
cold for years. It was eight years later, in nineteen
(23:33):
ninety nine that police arrested four men who were juveniles
at the time of the crime. Two of them, Robert
Springsteen and Michael Scott, confessed and implicated each other, but
later recanted and said their statements were coerced by the police,
but they were convicted. Springsteen sent to death row before
(23:53):
the sentence was reduced to life in prison. Both convictions
later overturned, and then the charges were dropped in two
thousand and nine when DNA evidence was run through the
system and detectives said, oops, it's not either one of
these guys who we're looking for as a previously unknown
male at the crime scene man.
Speaker 3 (24:15):
Just this week, in fact, two days ago, the Austin
Police Department announced that they had a suspect that they
linked a guy to the killings of those girls inside
that yogurt shop. Thirty four years later, when we come back,
we'll tell you about some of.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
Them now runner picked off after what it was an
awful at bat just popped out to the picture.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
He ground out to the ground, out to the picture. Jesus,
I mean that's not good. Jesus would not have ground out. No,
Jesus would not have Jesus take the bat.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
Investigator said that the breakthrough came in just the last
few weeks.
Speaker 2 (24:54):
We'll talk about it when we come back.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KA six.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
Forty fifteen minutes or so before the government shuts down.
When you feel man, tomorrow morning, you are going to
feel it.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
Feel it.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I mean it does suck.
Speaker 1 (25:12):
It definitely sucks for people who are employed by the
federal government and the not knowing of what's going to happen.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
It's just going to be another mess. It's just going
to be an absolute mess.
Speaker 1 (25:23):
We are in the midst of true Crime Tuesday, and
we're talking about these four teenage girls who are found bound, gagged,
and murdered inside a frozen yogurt shop in Austin, Texas
in nineteen ninety one. They have talked about years of relentless,
old fashioned detective work. Advances in DNA technology was what
(25:43):
finally led them to a suspect. Thousands of tips I
mean shell casings, more than a dozen forensic labs consulted
samples taken from fingernails and ice cream scoop a belt buckle,
crimes in other states reviewed for possible links. Tennessee, Kentucky,
(26:05):
South Carolina agencies working together, and then finally last week
there was a breakthrough. The renewed interest, by the way,
was doing large part to HBO put together one of
those really well done documentaries about the crime and called
the Yogurt Shop Murders and so heightened awareness on the
(26:26):
case there and like I said, last week, a breakthrough.
They identified a man, Robert Brasher's, who was responsible.
Speaker 3 (26:34):
Investigators said the breakthrough came when advanced testing revealed the
DNA that was found under the thirteen year old's fingernails.
Thirteen year old Amy Amy Ayres that the DNA found
underneath her fingernails matched him. He had previously been connected
to homicides in both Missouri and South Carolina, a rape
(26:55):
in Tennessee, and get this, Amy Ayre's dad, Bob said,
I have never been so proud of my daughter in
all her life. He said that he believed Amy managed
to and his words gathered the DNA during a desperate
struggle with her attacker. He said, our whole family knew
(27:16):
there was something about Amy that would eventually help solve this.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
I get chills because that was when I just heard
you say those words, that it was a DNA found
out of the fingernails of thirteen year old Amy. I'm thinking,
what a fighter like? What a fighter you know, knowing
it or not knowing it. How could you know in
nineteen ninety one about DNA and the fact of all
of that and being thirteen. But I can see how
(27:42):
you would have such pride, and it's something to hold
on to when your daughter is ripped from your life
like that the way that that happened.
Speaker 2 (27:49):
Now the guy is dead.
Speaker 3 (27:51):
He'd killed himself actually during a standoff with Missouri police
back in nineteen ninety nine. But he'd already, like I mentioned,
been in this involved in this string of other crimes.
And they're still trying to piece together why Robert Brasher's
was in Austin the night of the murders. They did
note they do have a record of him having been
(28:13):
stopped by police in al Paso, Texas.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
A couple of days later.
Speaker 1 (28:17):
Yeah, two days after the Austin murders, he was stopped.
He was driving a stolen truck from Georgia heading to Arizona,
and they confiscated a three eighty caliber handgun, the same
caliber of the handgun used at the scene on one
of the girls, later returned to his father. They believe
(28:39):
that same gun was used in his suicide as well.
Speaker 3 (28:45):
Yeah, the dad gave it back to him. It was
the same make and model. Also, you already mentioned that
in the suicide. Investigators said they faced a bunch of
hurdles early on, like I mentioned the fire and watered
damage from the original scene. But as for the families,
you know, pam ayres Amy's mother told the Austin American
(29:08):
Statesman that she's still trying to process these new revelations.
That's a That is also one of the things that
is too often part of these cold cases is.
Speaker 2 (29:19):
The re.
Speaker 3 (29:23):
I don't want to say this the wound ever closes,
but sort of the reopening of the scar of losing
a teenage daughter like that.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
We've spent time talking about forgiveness, Charlie Kirk's widow talking
about forgiving the shooter, how forgiving people can is good
for you, I believe, because you're not caring around that
that hate in you. It doesn't do you any good.
It's detrimental to you. It's not really about the other person.
(29:52):
It's just about something you give to yourself in terms
of freeing yourself of that kind of hate.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
I think the.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
Hardest forgiveness would be somebody who takes your child. That
would be the biggest forgiveness hurdle ever.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Yeah, and again, I mean I don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:12):
I mean, that's a tough that's a tough order. How
are you supposed to live without that hate in your heart?
You know, for someone who takes your child.
Speaker 3 (30:24):
Like that, and you're not going to forgive obviously what
had happened. But we got this question yesterday as a
matter of fact, from one of the talkbacks when we
were discussing the issue of forgiveness.
Speaker 1 (30:37):
I have a question for you, Gary, would you forgive
someone if he killed one of your family members?
Speaker 3 (30:43):
I have no idea, I mean, I can't. One of
the reasons that I'm fascinated by this issue or the
topic of forgiveness, especially in an instance like that, I
think Erica Kirk, who unfortunately probably saw her husband murdered
on social media. I mean, she didn't see it live,
(31:03):
she wasn't there. Or Tim Allen, whose father was taken
from him in a car accident. I mean, I can't
wrap my head around the loss of a member of
my immediate family. Can't wrap my head around it. Don't
want to imagine it, don't want to think about it.
I don't think anybody does. But then the question of
would I be able to forgive somebody in an instance
(31:23):
like that, well, how could you? I mean for these families.
I mean, the Ayers family lost their thirteen year old
daughter in a the most brutal way. It's not an accident,
it wasn't a faceless shooting somewhere like it was a
brutal murder. And they lived with.
Speaker 2 (31:45):
This for thirty four years.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Yeah, and to think that their daughter would now be
a forty seven year old, probably a mom, and you know,
her own career, and I mean that stuff I can't
wrap my head around. So the idea that somebody would
be able to forgive like that is a power that
I do not.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
I don't know if I have it. I don't know.
I don't want to think about it.
Speaker 3 (32:10):
I don't want to put myself in a position where
I would have to forgive somebody like that.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
Now, what I'd like you to think about is how
you would feel if Manny Machado striked struck out right now, I.
Speaker 2 (32:21):
Have no love lost for that guy.
Speaker 1 (32:22):
I know, I know I'd feel good about it. I'd
love to see him strike it.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
People talk about how, you know, he's a really good
guy and he does a lot.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Of charity work. Okay, whatever, But but I've just.
Speaker 3 (32:33):
I've watched him play baseball for thirteen years now, twelve
years or whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
I don't like the vibe. The vibes are off. I
wouldn't even like him if he was one of my guys.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
I'm just gonna say like it was on the Dodgers,
because it made me hate him even that.
Speaker 1 (32:50):
There's certain players where you're like, okay, if he's playing
for us, all right, you know, like Ry you hate
him because he plays for somebody else, Dion Sanders, Okay,
Richard Sherman. But there's good ones, certain players that like
you know, are just seem like not good guys and
(33:10):
they just have like a bad chip on their shoulder.
Speaker 2 (33:12):
This is not and it's just not baseball.
Speaker 3 (33:15):
And it's one thing to say that there he's probably
a good he's probably a good leader in the clubhouse,
like he can motivate the other guys, but in the
moment that you turn against him or he's so yeah,
he senses the slightest bit of He's.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
Like Robert Sala. He's like, don't f with me.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
I will ruin your effing life.
Speaker 2 (33:35):
Well, that was great. We waited until the Postgames. That
was so good. I love Robert Sala. Okay, keep it
in your pants, little princess.
Speaker 3 (33:45):
All right, John Cobel, show us up next. We'll see
you tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (33:48):
Stay dry, everybody, blessings.
Speaker 3 (33:51):
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show, you
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