August 27, 2025 • 34 mins
#SWAMPWATCH – Trump: Reality show cab. Meeting. Alpha AI School #PARENTING –Talking to Kids About Porn, Parents Don’t Need to Try Harder – to Ease Parenting Stress, Forget Self-Reliance and Look for Ways to Share the Care.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. One of those days that, unfortunately,
we need to keep you updated with breaking news out
of Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Today.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Two children killed in a shooting at Annunciation Church Catholic
school there in South Minneapolis. Seventeen people injured, fourteen of
them children up to seven in critical condition. The suspected
shooter has been identified as twenty three year old Robin Westman,
shot and killed himself at the scene. According to police,
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this was the first mass of the school year when
he opened fire through the stained glass.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
There may have been posting videos also New York posts,
as it's uncovered some videos and other information online about
this guy that he had some plans to do this
for some time.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Public records show his father, James Westman, owns a home
in South Minneapolis less than one mile from Annunciation School. Police,
as you can imagine, are stationed outside the home. It
is cordoned off with crime scene tape. His mother answered
a cell phone call crying. Told the Star Tribune reporter
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she did not know if her child was the shooter hit.
The mother a woman who answered the phone crying once
worked at Annunciation that the mother, according to the church,
provided wonderful hospitality when they announced her departure in a
Facebook post just in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So not a guarantee, but if she worked there, there's
a good chance that her son went to that school.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
The other story, this one out of the Inland Empire.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Missing baby Emmanuel Harrow was a victim of deadly child abuse,
according to the Riverside County DA Mikestron. He held a
news conference along with the sheriffs of both Sam Bernardino
and Riverside Counties. Hestrin did say that they have a
strong indication of where the remains of baby Emmanuel are
at this time, but he didn't get into specifics. He
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did go on though, to say that this would have
been preventable that Jake Harrow, Emmanuel's dad, was convicted of
a child abuse case back in twenty twenty three, and
if the judge had sent him to prison, he likely
would have been in prison at the time. Well, first
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of all, he wouldn't have made the baby in the
first place, but also would not have been out of
prison in order to abuse the child. To the point
of death and laid this squarely at the foot of
a judge who decided that, despite the egregiously violent nature
of that original child abuse case, did not send Jake
Harro to prison.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
A marathon cabinet meeting where President Trump looked ever the
most reality show host three hours, fifteen minutes yesterday, quite
the show.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
That's where we kick off swamp Watch.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar,
and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Here we got.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
The real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
So that now you train.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
The swat, I can imagine what can be and be
unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
You know, Mrvans have always been gone at President. They're
not stupid.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Why have the people voted for you were not swamp Watch,
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Speaker 1 (03:46):
The President said. At one point this has never been
done before. He called on.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Secretaries to speak.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
He marveled over the waiting reporters' ability to hold microphones
and cameras aloft.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
For several hours.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It was there in the cabinet room where everyone took
a turn, everyone working harder and harder and harder than
the last speaker to get Trump's admiration. It was very
reminiscent of the board Room and The Apprentice.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
If you ever watched that show twenty plus years.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Ago, I gotta tell you, I like the old ones
where we didn't see the sausage being made.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't like the sausage being made. I like to
see the sausage in its casing. I like to see
it cooked. I'd like to see it fully cooked.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I like to see it ready to go into the
mouths of Americans.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
In this case, this thing went on and the cameras
were rolling for.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Hours. In the old days, in other.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Administrations, you would see about maybe fifteen or twenty minutes
of a cabinet meeting in the cabinet room, and then
reporters would all be ushered out of the room while
they actually got down to the business of governing.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
This was a very odd it.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Was very public, It was staged as a reality show.
And Trump does love this. He loves a spectacle. He
loves getting ratings, especially for mundane things like a cabinet meeting.
He loves to turn the mundane into spectacular and this
was a spectacle. He likes to pit people against each
other to sharpen the iron.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And you know what, I don't hate that.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I you know, people will put him down for that,
but I think you get great results when you use
competition and you get people to do better and to
do better based off of that.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
And he's famous for that. I mean, look no further
than JD.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Vance and Marco Rubio sitting side by side at these
high profile meetings. It's like, this is how he gets
the best out of people. He pits them against each other.
What can you do? How can you do better than
the other guy? And he does it with his cabinet
as well. And this way, inviting all the cameras in
and making this thing go on for three hours and
fifteen minutes is.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Just to hey, we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
We're gonna have this open competition of who can please
me the most, and we're gonna put it on television.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It was funny because the way The New York Times
wrote it up was the cabinet event was billed as
a celebration of American workers ahead of Labor Day, yet
with a running time of three hours and fifteen minutes,
it would be considered a wildly inefficient meeting at just
about any other workplace.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Oh could you imagine sitting in a meeting for three hours?
I wouldn't do it. I couldn't do it. I physically
could not do it. I physically last about seventeen minutes.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You would feign unconsciousness.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I would create a medical emergence, in aphylactic shock. There
would be a medical emergency. You would take the EpiPen yeah,
to the I would become pregnant. I would have a
pregnancy scare, just like that.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I would come up with something, anything to get me
out of that room. You can't do that when you're
in the cabinet. You know, did they eat anything? Did
people faint from hunger? Was there water? Were their protein bars?
I mean, what do you three hours? Good Lord? Was
there candy crush. There was no there was nothing the
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football game on in the back nothing. I already got
in trouble. My first get in trouble eating out to
dinner looking at a preseason game that was that was
an old preseason game.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Say wait what it wasn't even live.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
My wife sometimes will say to me, do you want
to sit on this side of the table because the
TV's over there? It's a trap, so you can a
try almost never. Yes, mine does that too, almost never.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Here you can sit hear it. You can see the
TV better, Shannon. It's a trap, right. You think they're
trying to help you, but they're not.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
But what they don't know is there's a mirror on
the other side, so you can watch the game backwards.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, they don't know that. Yes they do. They must
know that.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
They may not.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's always a trap. Wait a minute, it's always always
a trap. There's pretty much always attract there's no right answer.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Sometimes they pick the restaurant with the televisions just to
test you further.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Lori Chavez Dreimer is the Secretary of Labor. She implored
the President to come to her agency to look at
his big, beautiful face they have on the banners there
at Labor Occasionally they say policy peeked in, but only
in a way that allowed Trump to tack on his
own thoughts. For example, Kennedy at one point RFK Health
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and Human Services secretary issued an update about the radioactive
shrimp at Walmart, and Kennedy said, you're going to save
the whales while railing against the dangers of wind farms
and wind energy, which has been for some reason a
thorn in the side of the president. And then Kennedy
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and Trump engaged in a back and forth about the
rates of autism and young boys, allowing the President to
wonder if there was something artificially causing this, a drug
or something thing. In other moments, some of the truth
behind all of the transparency revealed itself, like when Marco
Rubio admitted that this year's Labor Day has a special
place in his heart. He says, someone who has four jobs,
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because Marco Rubio, again Secretary of State, is also the
National Security Advisor, is the acting head of the National
Archives and Records Administration, and is the acting administrator of
the US Agency for International Development. So funny write up
for a very very long, long cabinet meeting from yesterday.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Coming up next, a story we talked about briefly yesterday.
There is a school where people are paying sixty five
thousand dollars a year for their kids to study just
two hours a day using apps and lesson plans, all
developed by AI. It's in Northern Virginia. Sixty five thousand
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dollars a year. You'd pay for your kid to go
to this school, why not just give them a phone
and put them in their room all day.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Just turn on Chat GBT and walk away. Yeah. Gary
and Shannon will continue in just a moment.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Coming up after Debor's news.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
At the bottom of the hour, we'll be talking parenting
with Justin Worsham, host of the Parenting podcast. We'll be
talking about, well, the very delicate topic of what do
you tell your kids about porn?
Speaker 5 (10:27):
How do you set up the guardrails they have.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Porn in their pockets in the form of iPhones, what
to do about that in terms of controls, Healthy discussions
about what that is, why it's out there, why you
may not want to watch it for your own benefit.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
That could be a.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Tough sell to a kid whose prefrontal cortex is not developed.
We'll also be talking about how parents don't need to
try harder, how to ease parenting stress that as well.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
We've talked about the dangers of AI, some of the
great things about AI. I think next week we should
probably also invite people to tell us how they're currently
We did a few months ago. A few months ago
we talked about it and had people come in and say, yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
A few months ago was ten years ago and tries
of AI.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
It'd be curious.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I'd be curious to see how people have used it
for positive things.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I feel like now I know more people who use
the chat gpt bot than don't.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Once you use it, you realize I don't use it.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I'm just saying, if you had questions about stuff, there
is a sports angle to it too.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Have you seen this yet?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
I don't know if you should tell me about it?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Can you think about the Can you think about talking
to your kids about porn? Is what we're going to
be getting to is that should be think about introducing
me to something that I.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Don't I don't know that wouldn't be I don't even
think you'd like it necessarily, but the use of AI
for coaching and managing. Think think moneyball right for baseball specifically,
that's where moneyball could take for.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Our boss here uses it for doing boss things.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Think of it in the context of finding those players
which maybe don't have the high name recognition, but have
all of the statistics that you're looking for in acific
specific the.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Position a lot of scouts out of business.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
That's what I'm saying. Like that, that's one angle of
AI in sports. Now, AI and education is also something
that is coming up. There's a pitch by a school
called Alpha School in northern Virginia. They want to enroll
up to twenty five students in grades K through three
at a campus there near Dulles International Airport, and it
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says that this is sort of the combination of two
specific forms of education alternative schooling right, so think charter
school or STEM school or a concentration school of some kind,
and the explosion of the online learning platforms like AI.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
This pitch is one I've never heard of before.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
For about sixty five thousand dollars a year, which is
a very reputable college somewhere in the Midwest for example.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And we're talking a school K through three K through
three kindergarten.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Five grand a year.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Students study for just two hours a day using adaptive
apps and personalized lesson plans, and then use their spend
their afternoons on life skills like ride a bike, financial literacy,
build a fire in the forest, survival skills, guns, whatever,
however they do it, but instead of teachers, instead of
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human teachers, these students would have guides an AI driven school.
Some of the online learning platforms that we have seen
when it comes to AI promote individualized instruction that would
meet each student where they are, regardless of their grade level,
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regardless of their classroom curriculum. Others fully embrace generative AI
with chat bots as tutors to assist kids in their learning. Now,
that's one thing. If you were to if you type
in like a math problem into chat GPT and ask
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it to solve it for you, it can do that.
Most most of them can do that now and in
fact give you the reasoning behind it, because a lot
of times teachers will now tell you to show your work.
That was that was the big fight against calculators when
I was in school, is.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You could math teacher, but you had to show your work.
You had to show how it works.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You had to show from beginning to end how you
went through each process.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
The tia.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Oh, the calculators, Yeah, yeah, big deal that.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I don't know how you do that. Tough calculator.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
If you typed, if you type yes, Grandma, those were
tough days. If you typed in, you know, solve for
x whatever your algebraic equation is, and show your work.
If you said that to chat ept, it could do that,
and then all you had to do was copy that down,
so you didn't do it. But you're still technically showing
your work. I mean, I don't understand how this is
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going to go. We're just going to get dumber. We're
I mean, we're getting dumber at the same time we're
getting there's more information available to us, but we're getting dumber.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I use algebra in the sense that I use it percentages,
things like that, you know, which you know, thirty percent
off of twenty dollars is what when I see something
it's twenty dollars I wanted it's thirty percent off, Well
what does that mean? And that's that's about as much
algebra as I use in my daily life.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, I don't know, you know, but I also don't
have a real job.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I'm sure people in the real world use algebra all
the time for you know, measurement, you know, different things,
measuring stuff, numbers and things, numbers in yardsticks and things.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
One of the advocates for this place, This Alpha School
says analysis by Alpha shows students using schools model learned
twice as much as students in a traditional LA classroom,
and they're performing in the top one percent around the country.
She said that the school uses assessments from a national
group to measure a student's level and grow throughout the year,
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and then compares it to test results of students in public, private.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And homeschools around the country.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
And she says the school's guides, these AI chatbots could
spend the rest of the day helping students build other
schools and explore their passions in workshops.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, if you could.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
If it's basically a one on one, if you had
one teacher for one student, they're going to be able
to tailor specific lessons to that kid, as opposed to
twenty five kids or thirty.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Five kids in some cases.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
So of course there's going to be that much more,
but you're losing a lot of the human aspect that
is just as important for socialization reasons, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Gary and Channon will continue. We've got parenting on deck. Also,
crackle barrel has caved. Have you heard about this?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Crackle barrow?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
That's not nice?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's what you said.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
That's what I said, Yeah, crackle barrel?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You said, cracklebarrow? Is that what I said? Yes?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Really, I thought you were making fun of Handle. I
was like, be nice. Oh hell, I do not do that.
Oh no, that was me. Huh, that wasn't Handle. No, man,
dementia's a wild ride. I'm glad that you're here for
the beginning to the end.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'll be able to paint a one.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You'll be like, I remember, crackle barrel, cracklebarrow, crackle barrel. Really,
that's wild? What's going on with the wilding? I say
it right all the time?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
You sure you do? Cracker barrel is a hard thing
to say.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I totally thought you were making fun of Handle, Like,
that's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That that was me who's been here twenty years.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Oh my god, celebrating twenty.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
That person must be old by now. Totally. Oh, Oh
my god, you're right. I'm happy for that person. Been
here a long time?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Who's old around here?
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
This is old?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
That's not me here.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Oh my god, you've been here?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Is it you?
Speaker 6 (18:40):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Dumb dumb? Well, who could it be? I don't know
how you. I love the accent. You don't know how
you came into hughle Houser there. I love it. Well,
that's a long time to be in one place. It
must smell like you.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
The big story for today happened just before the show started.
This was a shooting at a church and a school
in Minneapolis. Understand that Minnesota Governor Tim Walls is expected
to have a briefing sometime soon. I haven't seen a
specific time, but that he I believe is on the
scene now. There in South Minneapolis.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Two children were killed in an eight year old and
a ten year old at Annunciation School church there in
South Minneapolis. Seventeen people injured, fourteen of them children. The
shooter is reportedly twenty three year old Robin Westman also
goes by Robert died of a self inflicted gunshot wound
at the scene. This was the first school mass of
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the school year. Began at eight fifteen local time there
the shots reported at a twenty seven just twelve minutes later.
By all accounts, this was the shooter who approached outside
of the church on the side where all the students
sat and open fire three weapons on him, slash her,
open fire through the stained glass there. And we do
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have a number of people that remain in critical condition.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
On Wall Street today. The concerns about an AI bubble
investoror bubble continue to bubble up. In Vidia is supposed
to be giving its second quarter earnings report today after
the markets closed within a couple of hours. Of course,
in Nvidia is the maker of processors for the data
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centers and server farms that are so important to the
backbone of AI.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Justin Worsham is here.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
He is host of the Dad podcast and we talk
things all all things parenting with Justin. Hello, and today
we're having a very delicate conversation about how to talk
to your children about porn all their pockets. If they
have a cell phone easily accessible, it will find them
in some places even if they're not looking for it.
Whether it's friends or just happenstance. And I've actually talked
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to you about this. I had a girlfriend, I have
a girlfriend who's got kids, who and her son at
you know, twelve thirteen kind of this just happened to
appear on his phone and she and her husband had
to sit down and talk to him about what that means,
what that is that he saw. And unfortunately it's not
just you know, two people in.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Love, is it? These days?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It is crazy stuff and it's a tough conversation to have.
Why is that out there? Why am I seeing it?
What does it mean? And why son? You don't want this?
Speaker 6 (21:43):
The Common Sense Media which is like a nonprofit website
that helps provide like you can if you're going to
take your kid to a rated R movie, you can
go to Common Sense Media and they'll give you, like
the things that are going to happen that movie, why
it's rated R. They'll get specific without spoiling the movie.
So they have found that when you look at thirteen
to seventeen year olds, the majority, so more than half
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of them have have seen porn at some point.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's been there higher than that.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I think it is right. I think that a lot
has to be unreported. Yeah, I'd be curious if that's
a self reported number.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Yeah, because technology, like for us, you had the Playboy
fairy that would randomly somehow we had I don't know
how this even ended up, but in my neighborhood there
was a woodpile like tree limbs, and somehow, like two
hustler ripped up magazines had found themselves in there, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
That's what we called it.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You guys, did.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You have the Playboy fairy that just.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Somehow, somehow they just get discovered.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
I had this theory when I became a father, but
so far the opportunity, for lack of a better way
putting it, has presented itself because maybe my kids have
cell phones and they don't need it. But like I was, like,
am I supposed to like just act like ID accidentally
leave it.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Some My dad had a drawer full of them.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Yeah, my dad had a Duffel bag in the closet
that I was looking for Christmas presents and I found
one day after school. But uh, this is and then
the other thing like.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
This is much better than any present. I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
That was.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
The comedic brain and me kicked into gear to try
to figure out what like playful title I could say
and then attack on the word eight to the end,
like it's number eight in.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
The series the franchise, like it's fast and furious.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
But I immediately got afraid that whatever came up when
first would be inappropriate for radio. But but I like,
I don't know what you guys think about this.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I'm not.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I'm not too worried about the pornography. And my kids, like,
I'm sure if they've partaken in it, I don't. I
don't know it hasn't. I've talked to them about it
when they had we had to talk when they were
about eight and five. I said that, you know, eventually
you'll be able to look up on your computer like
and you'll be able to see pornography. And I just
I just want you to know that it's normal, and
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I think healthy to have that curiosity is healthy.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
To do what you're seeing is not normal, That's.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
What I said.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
I go, I think it's healthy to want to watch it.
I think it's healthy and find to watch it.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I said.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
But the thing that as your father, I need you
to understand is that whatever you're watching is not an
accurate representation of what sex is like, that's not what
it's supposed to be. And I would encourage you not
to make what when you start having sex feel like
you have to recreate whatever you're seeing.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Uh, there's also a very biological or physiological thing that
happens to your brain when you watch it, Like it's
not just uh, it's not just I watched Star Wars
and thinks that and think that robots can walk around
by their by themselves, or I could use the force,
or that I could use the force so that I
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would pilot an X wing fight or whatever with zero training.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, very ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But because there, because it is, it is such a
it's an animalistic reaction to it, right. It's it's the
same reason why we crave foods. We have to have
it to survive. Sex is one of those things is
you have to have to survive. And when you trigger
that in your brain, it wants to go back to
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that place where it got it in the first place.
Like it if it's an addiction, yes, well, I mean
it can lead to that, yes, if you're not aware
of it when it happens, like if your kids got
into it and they're like, well, you know, Dad says
it's okay, or Dad says it's natural. But the feeling
is every day I got to go get more and then,
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just like an addiction, the normal stuff doesn't scratch the
itch and you start getting weird. I have that conversation,
and that's the kind of that's the danger of the
For some people.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
For some people, they look at it and they're like,
not my thing, or I don't care, or I know
it's fake or whatever, and they don't get into that.
But I think the concern is the younger you get
into it, that's what rewires your brain and shows you
that that's where to find that kind of satisfaction. I
think the data behind this is probably pretty correlated with
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the same kind of data with alcohol, right, Like they
know that if you the more the younger you have
a taste of alcohol for the first time, the more
likely you are to become an alcoholic. I am not
a psychologist, I'm not an expert, but I've always had
this kind of theory that I'm like, but what if
genetically you were already predisposed, and so that just kind
of that's the first step and I would say the
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same thing has to go with pornography, like my dad.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Uh wait, your dad your story when we come back.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Oh sorry, yeah, I hope we're not going to sand
bag your late father.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
No addiction. I have to come back to it. Maybe
justin Elves in our big family Secret.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
We have some minutes.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Before we get back to Justin. Just an update out
of Minneapolis. Here, we had talked about the shooter being
identified as a Robin Westman, a person who is twenty
was twenty three years old who opened fire on that
church at Annunciation School in South Minneapolis, killing two children
eight and ten years old. Seventeen people injured, fourteen of
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them children, at least seven in critical condition at this point,
and there was a report that this person may have
been a trans person. In fact, according to court records,
Robin Westman's mother applied to change her child's name back
in twenty nineteen, so that would have been six years ago.
That would have put that kid at seventeen years old.
(27:43):
This was somebody who identified a boy who identified as
a girl was born Robert Westman. Mom signed off to
change the name to Robin Westman.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Very eerily similar to the shooting in Nashville from a
couple of years ago as well at the Covenant Presbyterian School,
the Covenant School where a biologically or how do you
even say it, biologically born female person was transitioning to
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a male much older though was twenty eight years old apparently.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
And obviously mental illness.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Here in the YouTube twenty minute video, they're trying to
connect officially to this person, going through what appears to
be a manifesto and a notebook, different pictures, different gun
paraphernalia labeled with hateful messages. You wonder, clearly a mental
illness issue, as I said, but if there was any
sort of hormone therapy going on.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Could be who knows.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
We've been talking with justin this very very delicate issue
about talking to your kids about pornography and the way
that you frame it. It's hard to keep kids away from,
especially considering technology these days, and.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
It's more of.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Giving them the tools to figure out what it is, yeah,
and to figure out how to deal with it if
it's shown to them, if they find themselves drawn to it, like,
how do they then have the tools to deal with
whatever's going on in their head. I like this guy
who they quoted in this article. He's he works at
an elementary school in Pennsylvania. His name's Albernakio, and he
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calls himself a sexual literacy teacher. So what he talks
about in like when they have the first Remember when
I think when we were young we all got split up.
I don't know that they split them up like in
boy and girl classes anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah they did. For our school, they did.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Yeah with the guys talked to him, and now I
think everybody's all together, And it seems from what I've
learned from my kids at the stuff they've everything is
a lot more vague. Like what it was in my
elementary school was we all got together with one of
the six grade teachers who happened to be my teacher,
and he gave like a lesson on like STDs and
pregnancy and how sex works, and then it was like
(30:04):
Q and A for forty minutes and it was there.
What was great is that even at that time where
people would get made fun of, it seemed like that
seemed to be a very safe space in my opinion.
But it's what he talks about is that he can.
He makes the comparison of like sex being very much
like pizza, that there you can get any variation of toppings,
and it depends on what you like, and what you
(30:26):
like can change and all that. I don't think that
there's going to be a world that you can believe
no pineapple, right, No, like you.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
That's the swinger of pizzas.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
So I think that you don't.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Like pineapple, so.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
You justa pineapple.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
That's funny. He never has a second couple of minds pineapple.
Wait a minute, So anyway, but let's go back. I know,
before the before the break, you were going to say
something about your.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Dad, my dad, my dad, my dad, my dad.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
When my sister had a party when she turned twenty one,
and my dad never let us have parties at the house,
and so she invited all her friends. Everybody's going to
be drinking. My parents collected everybody's keys. Everybody was of
age that was drinking. That was important to my parents.
And my dad noticed that everybody was just kind of
milling around and hanging out, and so he thought it
would be funny if he put an adult film on
the television in the living room, just my dad or
(31:39):
my sister twenty one. It was her twenty first birthday party,
oh boy, and so all of her friends were there.
And he puts on this, this adult film.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
A daughter's party, step daughter. This story, I don't didn't
make it better.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
No, I could tell you of all the stories I
have about my dad, this is probably what he's.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Very proud of.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
He's not gonna tap you on the shoulder for this one,
I'm sure from the afterlife, but he so anyway, he
puts it on. Nobody noticed except for his eight year
old son.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Muah.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
I was sitting down like watching it intently, and then
he saw he came in from like checking on the
people in the backyard, and he goes, oh, he said,
I have like a vague memory of this, and he goes.
He goes, I just didn't want to freak you out
and go, what are you doing? Mike can scare you
because I didn't want it to be taboo. So he said.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
He goes, so, uh, well, what you watching? Son?
Speaker 6 (32:31):
And I go, I had some movie. I go, it's
not very good and I go, but he goes, plot
he goes.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
What's it about?
Speaker 6 (32:38):
I go, I don't know, but I think this guy
is like a king or whatever, because all of these
women seem to want to take care of him for
some reason.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
And that was all I got.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
He's like, Okay, well maybe you should go.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
To bed, And I went to bed.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
And then there were a couple other times where like
he would forget his adult film in the VHS and
I would come home after school and I put it in.
I'd see it, And I think it was because there
was regular jokes. There was also a lot of conversation
that sex was very much an open topic in my house.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
So I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
It was not taboo like it was, And I think
I never wrestled with any of that addiction or any
of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I just looked it up.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Roughly about eleven percent of Americans say that they have
an addiction to porn.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Gary's parents had outside sex even when he was an
adult because they wanted to keep it private.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I think that's the antithesis of private.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Well, it was out at the home.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
It's on the back porch right.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
What you guys can't see at home is the prideful
smirk on Shannon's face. I don't know if it comes
through the radio. I could see it because I've seen
it so many times.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Listen, if everyone's parents are being thrown under the bus,
why not Gary one's parents out of the bus.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I'm proud of that. We don't have time for your parents.
What happened?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Well, she said that her dad had a drawer. Oh,
that's right, that's right.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Why is that bad? That's not bad, It's not horrible.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Everyone has their saying he left him in the bathroom
or strewn about the house specifica.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Not like my dad put a porn on my birthday party.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Exactly right.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
That's creepy, especially he was your stepdad.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
That's just weird.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Just always can we come back to Gary and Shannon.
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
You can always hear us live on KFI AM six
forty nine am to one pm every Monday through Friday,
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This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. One of those days that, unfortunately,
we need to keep you updated with breaking news out
of Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (00:18):
Today.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Two children killed in a shooting at Annunciation Church Catholic
school there in South Minneapolis. Seventeen people injured, fourteen of
them children up to seven in critical condition. The suspected
shooter has been identified as twenty three year old Robin Westman,
shot and killed himself at the scene. According to police,
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this was the first mass of the school year when
he opened fire through the stained glass.
Speaker 3 (00:45):
There may have been posting videos also New York posts,
as it's uncovered some videos and other information online about
this guy that he had some plans to do this
for some time.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Public records show his father, James Westman, owns a home
in South Minneapolis less than one mile from Annunciation School. Police,
as you can imagine, are stationed outside the home. It
is cordoned off with crime scene tape. His mother answered
a cell phone call crying. Told the Star Tribune reporter
(01:17):
she did not know if her child was the shooter hit.
The mother a woman who answered the phone crying once
worked at Annunciation that the mother, according to the church,
provided wonderful hospitality when they announced her departure in a
Facebook post just in twenty twenty one.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
So not a guarantee, but if she worked there, there's
a good chance that her son went to that school.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Yes.
Speaker 2 (01:44):
The other story, this one out of the Inland Empire.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Missing baby Emmanuel Harrow was a victim of deadly child abuse,
according to the Riverside County DA Mikestron. He held a
news conference along with the sheriffs of both Sam Bernardino
and Riverside Counties. Hestrin did say that they have a
strong indication of where the remains of baby Emmanuel are
at this time, but he didn't get into specifics. He
(02:09):
did go on though, to say that this would have
been preventable that Jake Harrow, Emmanuel's dad, was convicted of
a child abuse case back in twenty twenty three, and
if the judge had sent him to prison, he likely
would have been in prison at the time. Well, first
(02:30):
of all, he wouldn't have made the baby in the
first place, but also would not have been out of
prison in order to abuse the child. To the point
of death and laid this squarely at the foot of
a judge who decided that, despite the egregiously violent nature
of that original child abuse case, did not send Jake
Harro to prison.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
A marathon cabinet meeting where President Trump looked ever the
most reality show host three hours, fifteen minutes yesterday, quite
the show.
Speaker 5 (03:02):
That's where we kick off swamp Watch.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar,
and when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 3 (03:10):
Here we got.
Speaker 4 (03:10):
The real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 5 (03:13):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
So what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 6 (03:19):
So that now you train.
Speaker 5 (03:20):
The swat, I can imagine what can be and be
unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
You know, Mrvans have always been gone at President. They're
not stupid.
Speaker 6 (03:28):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
Why have the people voted for you were not swamp Watch,
They're all counter knowed. Swamp Watch brought to you by
the Good feed Store.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
If you have plantar fasciitis or a neck, a neck,
a knee pain, or ankle pain, go to the Good
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Speaker 2 (03:44):
See if they can help you out the Good Feet store.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
The President said. At one point this has never been
done before. He called on.
Speaker 5 (03:51):
Secretaries to speak.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
He marveled over the waiting reporters' ability to hold microphones
and cameras aloft.
Speaker 5 (03:58):
For several hours.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
It was there in the cabinet room where everyone took
a turn, everyone working harder and harder and harder than
the last speaker to get Trump's admiration. It was very
reminiscent of the board Room and The Apprentice.
Speaker 5 (04:18):
If you ever watched that show twenty plus years.
Speaker 3 (04:20):
Ago, I gotta tell you, I like the old ones
where we didn't see the sausage being made.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
I don't like the sausage being made. I like to
see the sausage in its casing. I like to see
it cooked. I'd like to see it fully cooked.
Speaker 5 (04:33):
I like to see it ready to go into the
mouths of Americans.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
In this case, this thing went on and the cameras
were rolling for.
Speaker 2 (04:42):
Hours. In the old days, in other.
Speaker 3 (04:45):
Administrations, you would see about maybe fifteen or twenty minutes
of a cabinet meeting in the cabinet room, and then
reporters would all be ushered out of the room while
they actually got down to the business of governing.
Speaker 2 (04:59):
This was a very odd it.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Was very public, It was staged as a reality show.
And Trump does love this. He loves a spectacle. He
loves getting ratings, especially for mundane things like a cabinet meeting.
He loves to turn the mundane into spectacular and this
was a spectacle. He likes to pit people against each
other to sharpen the iron.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
And you know what, I don't hate that.
Speaker 1 (05:21):
I you know, people will put him down for that,
but I think you get great results when you use
competition and you get people to do better and to
do better based off of that.
Speaker 5 (05:31):
And he's famous for that. I mean, look no further
than JD.
Speaker 1 (05:34):
Vance and Marco Rubio sitting side by side at these
high profile meetings. It's like, this is how he gets
the best out of people. He pits them against each other.
What can you do? How can you do better than
the other guy? And he does it with his cabinet
as well. And this way, inviting all the cameras in
and making this thing go on for three hours and
fifteen minutes is.
Speaker 5 (05:53):
Just to hey, we're gonna do this.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
We're gonna have this open competition of who can please
me the most, and we're gonna put it on television.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
It was funny because the way The New York Times
wrote it up was the cabinet event was billed as
a celebration of American workers ahead of Labor Day, yet
with a running time of three hours and fifteen minutes,
it would be considered a wildly inefficient meeting at just
about any other workplace.
Speaker 1 (06:17):
Oh could you imagine sitting in a meeting for three hours?
I wouldn't do it. I couldn't do it. I physically
could not do it. I physically last about seventeen minutes.
Speaker 2 (06:29):
You would feign unconsciousness.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
I would create a medical emergence, in aphylactic shock. There
would be a medical emergency. You would take the EpiPen yeah,
to the I would become pregnant. I would have a
pregnancy scare, just like that.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
I would come up with something, anything to get me
out of that room. You can't do that when you're
in the cabinet. You know, did they eat anything? Did
people faint from hunger? Was there water? Were their protein bars?
I mean, what do you three hours? Good Lord? Was
there candy crush. There was no there was nothing the
(07:05):
football game on in the back nothing. I already got
in trouble. My first get in trouble eating out to
dinner looking at a preseason game that was that was
an old preseason game.
Speaker 2 (07:17):
Say wait what it wasn't even live.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
No.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
My wife sometimes will say to me, do you want
to sit on this side of the table because the
TV's over there? It's a trap, so you can a
try almost never. Yes, mine does that too, almost never.
Speaker 5 (07:38):
Here you can sit hear it. You can see the
TV better, Shannon. It's a trap, right. You think they're
trying to help you, but they're not.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
But what they don't know is there's a mirror on
the other side, so you can watch the game backwards.
Speaker 2 (07:50):
Yeah, they don't know that. Yes they do. They must
know that.
Speaker 5 (07:56):
They may not.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
It's always a trap. Wait a minute, it's always always
a trap. There's pretty much always attract there's no right answer.
Speaker 1 (08:02):
Sometimes they pick the restaurant with the televisions just to
test you further.
Speaker 3 (08:07):
Lori Chavez Dreimer is the Secretary of Labor. She implored
the President to come to her agency to look at
his big, beautiful face they have on the banners there
at Labor Occasionally they say policy peeked in, but only
in a way that allowed Trump to tack on his
own thoughts. For example, Kennedy at one point RFK Health
(08:31):
and Human Services secretary issued an update about the radioactive
shrimp at Walmart, and Kennedy said, you're going to save
the whales while railing against the dangers of wind farms
and wind energy, which has been for some reason a
thorn in the side of the president. And then Kennedy
(08:52):
and Trump engaged in a back and forth about the
rates of autism and young boys, allowing the President to
wonder if there was something artificially causing this, a drug
or something thing. In other moments, some of the truth
behind all of the transparency revealed itself, like when Marco
Rubio admitted that this year's Labor Day has a special
place in his heart. He says, someone who has four jobs,
(09:13):
because Marco Rubio, again Secretary of State, is also the
National Security Advisor, is the acting head of the National
Archives and Records Administration, and is the acting administrator of
the US Agency for International Development. So funny write up
for a very very long, long cabinet meeting from yesterday.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
Coming up next, a story we talked about briefly yesterday.
There is a school where people are paying sixty five
thousand dollars a year for their kids to study just
two hours a day using apps and lesson plans, all
developed by AI. It's in Northern Virginia. Sixty five thousand
(09:54):
dollars a year. You'd pay for your kid to go
to this school, why not just give them a phone
and put them in their room all day.
Speaker 2 (10:00):
Just turn on Chat GBT and walk away. Yeah. Gary
and Shannon will continue in just a moment.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 5 (10:13):
Coming up after Debor's news.
Speaker 1 (10:14):
At the bottom of the hour, we'll be talking parenting
with Justin Worsham, host of the Parenting podcast. We'll be
talking about, well, the very delicate topic of what do
you tell your kids about porn?
Speaker 5 (10:27):
How do you set up the guardrails they have.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Porn in their pockets in the form of iPhones, what
to do about that in terms of controls, Healthy discussions
about what that is, why it's out there, why you
may not want to watch it for your own benefit.
Speaker 2 (10:43):
That could be a.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
Tough sell to a kid whose prefrontal cortex is not developed.
We'll also be talking about how parents don't need to
try harder, how to ease parenting stress that as well.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
We've talked about the dangers of AI, some of the
great things about AI. I think next week we should
probably also invite people to tell us how they're currently
We did a few months ago. A few months ago
we talked about it and had people come in and say, yeah, but.
Speaker 5 (11:12):
A few months ago was ten years ago and tries
of AI.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
It'd be curious.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
I'd be curious to see how people have used it
for positive things.
Speaker 1 (11:19):
I feel like now I know more people who use
the chat gpt bot than don't.
Speaker 2 (11:24):
Once you use it, you realize I don't use it.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
I'm just saying, if you had questions about stuff, there
is a sports angle to it too.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
Have you seen this yet?
Speaker 5 (11:34):
I don't know if you should tell me about it?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Can you think about the Can you think about talking
to your kids about porn? Is what we're going to
be getting to is that should be think about introducing
me to something that I.
Speaker 3 (11:46):
Don't I don't know that wouldn't be I don't even
think you'd like it necessarily, but the use of AI
for coaching and managing. Think think moneyball right for baseball specifically,
that's where moneyball could take for.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Our boss here uses it for doing boss things.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
Think of it in the context of finding those players
which maybe don't have the high name recognition, but have
all of the statistics that you're looking for in acific
specific the.
Speaker 5 (12:17):
Position a lot of scouts out of business.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
That's what I'm saying. Like that, that's one angle of
AI in sports. Now, AI and education is also something
that is coming up. There's a pitch by a school
called Alpha School in northern Virginia. They want to enroll
up to twenty five students in grades K through three
at a campus there near Dulles International Airport, and it
(12:41):
says that this is sort of the combination of two
specific forms of education alternative schooling right, so think charter
school or STEM school or a concentration school of some kind,
and the explosion of the online learning platforms like AI.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
This pitch is one I've never heard of before.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
For about sixty five thousand dollars a year, which is
a very reputable college somewhere in the Midwest for example.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
And we're talking a school K through three K through
three kindergarten.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Five grand a year.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Students study for just two hours a day using adaptive
apps and personalized lesson plans, and then use their spend
their afternoons on life skills like ride a bike, financial literacy,
build a fire in the forest, survival skills, guns, whatever,
however they do it, but instead of teachers, instead of
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human teachers, these students would have guides an AI driven school.
Some of the online learning platforms that we have seen
when it comes to AI promote individualized instruction that would
meet each student where they are, regardless of their grade level,
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regardless of their classroom curriculum. Others fully embrace generative AI
with chat bots as tutors to assist kids in their learning. Now,
that's one thing. If you were to if you type
in like a math problem into chat GPT and ask
(14:27):
it to solve it for you, it can do that.
Most most of them can do that now and in
fact give you the reasoning behind it, because a lot
of times teachers will now tell you to show your work.
That was that was the big fight against calculators when
I was in school, is.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
You could math teacher, but you had to show your work.
You had to show how it works.
Speaker 3 (14:49):
You had to show from beginning to end how you
went through each process.
Speaker 2 (14:55):
The tia.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
Oh, the calculators, Yeah, yeah, big deal that.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
I don't know how you do that. Tough calculator.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
If you typed, if you type yes, Grandma, those were
tough days. If you typed in, you know, solve for
x whatever your algebraic equation is, and show your work.
If you said that to chat ept, it could do that,
and then all you had to do was copy that down,
so you didn't do it. But you're still technically showing
your work. I mean, I don't understand how this is
(15:27):
going to go. We're just going to get dumber. We're
I mean, we're getting dumber at the same time we're
getting there's more information available to us, but we're getting dumber.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
I use algebra in the sense that I use it percentages,
things like that, you know, which you know, thirty percent
off of twenty dollars is what when I see something
it's twenty dollars I wanted it's thirty percent off, Well
what does that mean? And that's that's about as much
algebra as I use in my daily life.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
Yeah, I don't know, you know, but I also don't
have a real job.
Speaker 1 (16:03):
I'm sure people in the real world use algebra all
the time for you know, measurement, you know, different things,
measuring stuff, numbers and things, numbers in yardsticks and things.
Speaker 3 (16:15):
One of the advocates for this place, This Alpha School
says analysis by Alpha shows students using schools model learned
twice as much as students in a traditional LA classroom,
and they're performing in the top one percent around the country.
She said that the school uses assessments from a national
group to measure a student's level and grow throughout the year,
(16:37):
and then compares it to test results of students in public, private.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
And homeschools around the country.
Speaker 3 (16:42):
And she says the school's guides, these AI chatbots could
spend the rest of the day helping students build other
schools and explore their passions in workshops.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah, if you could.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
If it's basically a one on one, if you had
one teacher for one student, they're going to be able
to tailor specific lessons to that kid, as opposed to
twenty five kids or thirty.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Five kids in some cases.
Speaker 3 (17:06):
So of course there's going to be that much more,
but you're losing a lot of the human aspect that
is just as important for socialization reasons, et cetera.
Speaker 1 (17:17):
Gary and Channon will continue. We've got parenting on deck. Also,
crackle barrel has caved. Have you heard about this?
Speaker 2 (17:25):
Crackle barrow?
Speaker 5 (17:28):
That's not nice?
Speaker 2 (17:29):
That's what you said.
Speaker 5 (17:31):
That's what I said, Yeah, crackle barrel?
Speaker 2 (17:34):
You said, cracklebarrow? Is that what I said? Yes?
Speaker 1 (17:37):
Really, I thought you were making fun of Handle. I
was like, be nice. Oh hell, I do not do that.
Oh no, that was me. Huh, that wasn't Handle. No, man,
dementia's a wild ride. I'm glad that you're here for
the beginning to the end.
Speaker 2 (17:53):
I'll be able to paint a one.
Speaker 1 (17:55):
You'll be like, I remember, crackle barrel, cracklebarrow, crackle barrel. Really,
that's wild? What's going on with the wilding? I say
it right all the time?
Speaker 2 (18:06):
You sure you do? Cracker barrel is a hard thing
to say.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
I totally thought you were making fun of Handle, Like,
that's hilarious.
Speaker 2 (18:15):
That that was me who's been here twenty years.
Speaker 5 (18:17):
Oh my god, celebrating twenty.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
That person must be old by now. Totally. Oh, Oh
my god, you're right. I'm happy for that person. Been
here a long time?
Speaker 5 (18:30):
Who's old around here?
Speaker 6 (18:32):
Oh?
Speaker 4 (18:32):
This is old?
Speaker 2 (18:33):
That's not me here.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Oh my god, you've been here?
Speaker 2 (18:38):
Is it you?
Speaker 6 (18:40):
No?
Speaker 2 (18:41):
Dumb dumb? Well, who could it be? I don't know
how you. I love the accent. You don't know how
you came into hughle Houser there. I love it. Well,
that's a long time to be in one place. It
must smell like you.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Now.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 4 (19:08):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
The big story for today happened just before the show started.
This was a shooting at a church and a school
in Minneapolis. Understand that Minnesota Governor Tim Walls is expected
to have a briefing sometime soon. I haven't seen a
specific time, but that he I believe is on the
scene now. There in South Minneapolis.
Speaker 1 (19:34):
Two children were killed in an eight year old and
a ten year old at Annunciation School church there in
South Minneapolis. Seventeen people injured, fourteen of them children. The
shooter is reportedly twenty three year old Robin Westman also
goes by Robert died of a self inflicted gunshot wound
at the scene. This was the first school mass of
(19:55):
the school year. Began at eight fifteen local time there
the shots reported at a twenty seven just twelve minutes later.
By all accounts, this was the shooter who approached outside
of the church on the side where all the students
sat and open fire three weapons on him, slash her,
open fire through the stained glass there. And we do
(20:17):
have a number of people that remain in critical condition.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
On Wall Street today. The concerns about an AI bubble
investoror bubble continue to bubble up. In Vidia is supposed
to be giving its second quarter earnings report today after
the markets closed within a couple of hours. Of course,
in Nvidia is the maker of processors for the data
(20:41):
centers and server farms that are so important to the
backbone of AI.
Speaker 5 (20:46):
Justin Worsham is here.
Speaker 1 (20:48):
He is host of the Dad podcast and we talk
things all all things parenting with Justin. Hello, and today
we're having a very delicate conversation about how to talk
to your children about porn all their pockets. If they
have a cell phone easily accessible, it will find them
in some places even if they're not looking for it.
Whether it's friends or just happenstance. And I've actually talked
(21:11):
to you about this. I had a girlfriend, I have
a girlfriend who's got kids, who and her son at
you know, twelve thirteen kind of this just happened to
appear on his phone and she and her husband had
to sit down and talk to him about what that means,
what that is that he saw. And unfortunately it's not
just you know, two people in.
Speaker 2 (21:31):
Love, is it? These days?
Speaker 1 (21:32):
It is crazy stuff and it's a tough conversation to have.
Why is that out there? Why am I seeing it?
What does it mean? And why son? You don't want this?
Speaker 6 (21:43):
The Common Sense Media which is like a nonprofit website
that helps provide like you can if you're going to
take your kid to a rated R movie, you can
go to Common Sense Media and they'll give you, like
the things that are going to happen that movie, why
it's rated R. They'll get specific without spoiling the movie.
So they have found that when you look at thirteen
to seventeen year olds, the majority, so more than half
(22:05):
of them have have seen porn at some point.
Speaker 2 (22:08):
It's been there higher than that.
Speaker 3 (22:09):
I think it is right. I think that a lot
has to be unreported. Yeah, I'd be curious if that's
a self reported number.
Speaker 6 (22:17):
Yeah, because technology, like for us, you had the Playboy
fairy that would randomly somehow we had I don't know
how this even ended up, but in my neighborhood there
was a woodpile like tree limbs, and somehow, like two
hustler ripped up magazines had found themselves in there, and yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:37):
That's what we called it.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
You guys, did.
Speaker 2 (22:41):
You have the Playboy fairy that just.
Speaker 3 (22:42):
Somehow, somehow they just get discovered.
Speaker 6 (22:46):
I had this theory when I became a father, but
so far the opportunity, for lack of a better way
putting it, has presented itself because maybe my kids have
cell phones and they don't need it. But like I was, like,
am I supposed to like just act like ID accidentally
leave it.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Some My dad had a drawer full of them.
Speaker 6 (23:01):
Yeah, my dad had a Duffel bag in the closet
that I was looking for Christmas presents and I found
one day after school. But uh, this is and then
the other thing like.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
This is much better than any present. I'll tell you.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
That was.
Speaker 6 (23:19):
The comedic brain and me kicked into gear to try
to figure out what like playful title I could say
and then attack on the word eight to the end,
like it's number eight in.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
The series the franchise, like it's fast and furious.
Speaker 6 (23:30):
But I immediately got afraid that whatever came up when
first would be inappropriate for radio. But but I like,
I don't know what you guys think about this.
Speaker 2 (23:40):
I don't.
Speaker 4 (23:41):
I'm not.
Speaker 6 (23:41):
I'm not too worried about the pornography. And my kids, like,
I'm sure if they've partaken in it, I don't. I
don't know it hasn't. I've talked to them about it
when they had we had to talk when they were
about eight and five. I said that, you know, eventually
you'll be able to look up on your computer like
and you'll be able to see pornography. And I just
I just want you to know that it's normal, and
(24:01):
I think healthy to have that curiosity is healthy.
Speaker 5 (24:04):
To do what you're seeing is not normal, That's.
Speaker 2 (24:06):
What I said.
Speaker 6 (24:06):
I go, I think it's healthy to want to watch it.
I think it's healthy and find to watch it.
Speaker 2 (24:10):
I said.
Speaker 6 (24:10):
But the thing that as your father, I need you
to understand is that whatever you're watching is not an
accurate representation of what sex is like, that's not what
it's supposed to be. And I would encourage you not
to make what when you start having sex feel like
you have to recreate whatever you're seeing.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
Right.
Speaker 3 (24:26):
Uh, there's also a very biological or physiological thing that
happens to your brain when you watch it, Like it's
not just uh, it's not just I watched Star Wars
and thinks that and think that robots can walk around
by their by themselves, or I could use the force,
or that I could use the force so that I
(24:47):
would pilot an X wing fight or whatever with zero training.
Speaker 2 (24:50):
Yeah, very ridiculous.
Speaker 3 (24:53):
But because there, because it is, it is such a
it's an animalistic reaction to it, right. It's it's the
same reason why we crave foods. We have to have
it to survive. Sex is one of those things is
you have to have to survive. And when you trigger
that in your brain, it wants to go back to
(25:16):
that place where it got it in the first place.
Like it if it's an addiction, yes, well, I mean
it can lead to that, yes, if you're not aware
of it when it happens, like if your kids got
into it and they're like, well, you know, Dad says
it's okay, or Dad says it's natural. But the feeling
is every day I got to go get more and then,
(25:37):
just like an addiction, the normal stuff doesn't scratch the
itch and you start getting weird. I have that conversation,
and that's the kind of that's the danger of the
For some people.
Speaker 2 (25:49):
It's not a big deal.
Speaker 3 (25:50):
For some people, they look at it and they're like,
not my thing, or I don't care, or I know
it's fake or whatever, and they don't get into that.
But I think the concern is the younger you get
into it, that's what rewires your brain and shows you
that that's where to find that kind of satisfaction. I
think the data behind this is probably pretty correlated with
(26:10):
the same kind of data with alcohol, right, Like they
know that if you the more the younger you have
a taste of alcohol for the first time, the more
likely you are to become an alcoholic. I am not
a psychologist, I'm not an expert, but I've always had
this kind of theory that I'm like, but what if
genetically you were already predisposed, and so that just kind
of that's the first step and I would say the
(26:31):
same thing has to go with pornography, like my dad.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
Uh wait, your dad your story when we come back.
Speaker 1 (26:37):
Oh sorry, yeah, I hope we're not going to sand
bag your late father.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
No addiction. I have to come back to it. Maybe
justin Elves in our big family Secret.
Speaker 6 (26:51):
We have some minutes.
Speaker 4 (26:53):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
Before we get back to Justin. Just an update out
of Minneapolis. Here, we had talked about the shooter being
identified as a Robin Westman, a person who is twenty
was twenty three years old who opened fire on that
church at Annunciation School in South Minneapolis, killing two children
eight and ten years old. Seventeen people injured, fourteen of
(27:23):
them children, at least seven in critical condition at this point,
and there was a report that this person may have
been a trans person. In fact, according to court records,
Robin Westman's mother applied to change her child's name back
in twenty nineteen, so that would have been six years ago.
That would have put that kid at seventeen years old.
(27:43):
This was somebody who identified a boy who identified as
a girl was born Robert Westman. Mom signed off to
change the name to Robin Westman.
Speaker 3 (27:58):
Very eerily similar to the shooting in Nashville from a
couple of years ago as well at the Covenant Presbyterian School,
the Covenant School where a biologically or how do you
even say it, biologically born female person was transitioning to
(28:21):
a male much older though was twenty eight years old apparently.
Speaker 5 (28:24):
And obviously mental illness.
Speaker 1 (28:26):
Here in the YouTube twenty minute video, they're trying to
connect officially to this person, going through what appears to
be a manifesto and a notebook, different pictures, different gun
paraphernalia labeled with hateful messages. You wonder, clearly a mental
illness issue, as I said, but if there was any
sort of hormone therapy going on.
Speaker 2 (28:49):
Could be who knows.
Speaker 3 (28:50):
We've been talking with justin this very very delicate issue
about talking to your kids about pornography and the way
that you frame it. It's hard to keep kids away from,
especially considering technology these days, and.
Speaker 2 (29:05):
It's more of.
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Giving them the tools to figure out what it is, yeah,
and to figure out how to deal with it if
it's shown to them, if they find themselves drawn to it, like,
how do they then have the tools to deal with
whatever's going on in their head. I like this guy
who they quoted in this article. He's he works at
an elementary school in Pennsylvania. His name's Albernakio, and he
(29:28):
calls himself a sexual literacy teacher. So what he talks
about in like when they have the first Remember when
I think when we were young we all got split up.
I don't know that they split them up like in
boy and girl classes anymore.
Speaker 2 (29:42):
Yeah they did. For our school, they did.
Speaker 6 (29:44):
Yeah with the guys talked to him, and now I
think everybody's all together, And it seems from what I've
learned from my kids at the stuff they've everything is
a lot more vague. Like what it was in my
elementary school was we all got together with one of
the six grade teachers who happened to be my teacher,
and he gave like a lesson on like STDs and
pregnancy and how sex works, and then it was like
(30:04):
Q and A for forty minutes and it was there.
What was great is that even at that time where
people would get made fun of, it seemed like that
seemed to be a very safe space in my opinion.
But it's what he talks about is that he can.
He makes the comparison of like sex being very much
like pizza, that there you can get any variation of toppings,
and it depends on what you like, and what you
(30:26):
like can change and all that. I don't think that
there's going to be a world that you can believe
no pineapple, right, No, like you.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
That's the swinger of pizzas.
Speaker 6 (30:37):
So I think that you don't.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Like pineapple, so.
Speaker 5 (30:52):
You justa pineapple.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
That's funny. He never has a second couple of minds pineapple.
Wait a minute, So anyway, but let's go back. I know,
before the before the break, you were going to say
something about your.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
Dad, my dad, my dad, my dad, my dad.
Speaker 6 (31:15):
When my sister had a party when she turned twenty one,
and my dad never let us have parties at the house,
and so she invited all her friends. Everybody's going to
be drinking. My parents collected everybody's keys. Everybody was of
age that was drinking. That was important to my parents.
And my dad noticed that everybody was just kind of
milling around and hanging out, and so he thought it
would be funny if he put an adult film on
the television in the living room, just my dad or
(31:39):
my sister twenty one. It was her twenty first birthday party,
oh boy, and so all of her friends were there.
And he puts on this, this adult film.
Speaker 2 (31:47):
A daughter's party, step daughter. This story, I don't didn't
make it better.
Speaker 6 (31:55):
No, I could tell you of all the stories I
have about my dad, this is probably what he's.
Speaker 2 (31:59):
Very proud of.
Speaker 6 (32:00):
He's not gonna tap you on the shoulder for this one,
I'm sure from the afterlife, but he so anyway, he
puts it on. Nobody noticed except for his eight year
old son.
Speaker 2 (32:10):
Muah.
Speaker 6 (32:11):
I was sitting down like watching it intently, and then
he saw he came in from like checking on the
people in the backyard, and he goes, oh, he said,
I have like a vague memory of this, and he goes.
He goes, I just didn't want to freak you out
and go, what are you doing? Mike can scare you
because I didn't want it to be taboo. So he said.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
He goes, so, uh, well, what you watching? Son?
Speaker 6 (32:31):
And I go, I had some movie. I go, it's
not very good and I go, but he goes, plot
he goes.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
What's it about?
Speaker 6 (32:38):
I go, I don't know, but I think this guy
is like a king or whatever, because all of these
women seem to want to take care of him for
some reason.
Speaker 2 (32:45):
And that was all I got.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
He's like, Okay, well maybe you should go.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
To bed, And I went to bed.
Speaker 6 (32:49):
And then there were a couple other times where like
he would forget his adult film in the VHS and
I would come home after school and I put it in.
I'd see it, And I think it was because there
was regular jokes. There was also a lot of conversation
that sex was very much an open topic in my house.
Speaker 2 (33:02):
So I don't know, I don't know.
Speaker 6 (33:04):
It was not taboo like it was, And I think
I never wrestled with any of that addiction or any
of that kind of stuff.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
I just looked it up.
Speaker 6 (33:12):
Roughly about eleven percent of Americans say that they have
an addiction to porn.
Speaker 1 (33:17):
Gary's parents had outside sex even when he was an
adult because they wanted to keep it private.
Speaker 2 (33:24):
I think that's the antithesis of private.
Speaker 5 (33:27):
Well, it was out at the home.
Speaker 2 (33:30):
It's on the back porch right.
Speaker 6 (33:32):
What you guys can't see at home is the prideful
smirk on Shannon's face. I don't know if it comes
through the radio. I could see it because I've seen
it so many times.
Speaker 1 (33:41):
Listen, if everyone's parents are being thrown under the bus,
why not Gary one's parents out of the bus.
Speaker 2 (33:47):
I'm proud of that. We don't have time for your parents.
What happened?
Speaker 3 (33:51):
Well, she said that her dad had a drawer. Oh,
that's right, that's right.
Speaker 6 (33:56):
Why is that bad? That's not bad, It's not horrible.
Speaker 2 (33:58):
No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 3 (33:59):
Everyone has their saying he left him in the bathroom
or strewn about the house specifica.
Speaker 1 (34:04):
Not like my dad put a porn on my birthday party.
Speaker 2 (34:07):
Exactly right.
Speaker 6 (34:08):
That's creepy, especially he was your stepdad.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
That's just weird.
Speaker 3 (34:13):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (34:13):
Just always can we come back to Gary and Shannon.
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (34:20):
You can always hear us live on KFI AM six
forty nine am to one pm every Monday through Friday,
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