October 2, 2025 • 37 mins
#SWAMPWATCH – US to lose $15B in GDP each week of a shutdown. A mysterious surrogacy mansion. A drug-plagued property. And a criminal known as ‘Dragon’. Anti-Spam Apps That Work! Chatbot/Ozark Mystery.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty The Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
We're out at the air.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Show tomorrow a Huntington Beach if you want to come
on by. It's going to be a beautiful day, seventy
four degrees for the high After some morning clouds break up,
we'll have some sunshine and Canadian aircraft. We have a
government shutdown, which means we will not have the F
thirty five, we will not have the raptor, we will
not have the thunderbirds, but we'll have the Canadian snowbirds,
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which is fine.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Which is it's fine.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm trying to tell myself it's fine.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
They're still cool. They're just not anywhere close to as cool.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Should we dress like America?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I represent yes, Okay, we don't need The government is
not us right, government is not America right?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We are? Are you going to.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Wear your Uncle Sam speedo?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I probably will not.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
What do you have a problem with?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I can't tell what kind of fabric that is. It's
plevers what that is?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's a synthetic, animal friendly leather turtleneck tight and we're
looking at a local reporter, she looks beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Did you okay? Remember this love that color?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That brown?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The story of those drones that were flying over airports
in Europe and Northern Europe. French Navy sailors have boarded
a Russian tanker suspected of being involved in those drone
flights over French. French navy has boarded a Russian tanker.
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A source told the French press agency that the French
Navy boarded the Bora K Benin flagged vessel blacklisted by
the European Union for being part of Russia. Russia's what
they call shadow fleet, these aging oil tankers that they
used to skirt some of the laws where they can
and cannot take their oil. Two senior crew members represented
(02:07):
themselves as the ship's captain and first mate, arrested, taken
into custody. But again, the French believe that these shadow
tankers might have some involvement in those drone.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Flights over over northern Europe. So well, we.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Will start with the government shut down. Mike Johnson, a speaker,
saying Republicans have nothing to negotiate.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
This one's gonna last a while, folks. It's time verse wamwatch.
I'm not a politician, which is chief and a liar.
And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Yeah, we got the real problem is that our leaders
are done.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
So now you train the.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Squaw, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened
by what has been. You know, Americans have always been
gone at presidential stupid.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Have the people voted for you with not swap watch
they're all counteraed. Yeah, this could This could be a while.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Mike Johnson saying in a news conference outside his capital
office that Democrats should stop pressing Republicans to come to
any agreement to reopen the government. He said that Senate
Democrats need to instead pass the seven week stopgap bill
that had already cleared the House.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
He said, and ask the Republicans what we should be
doing or what we should be negotiating. I don't have
anything to negotiate. I sent them, in good faith, exactly
what they had voted for before. We did not put
any Republican provisions in that and we try to make
this very simple.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
There will be no weekend votes. They say unlikely. I
say there will be no weekend votes, which means the
shutdown could push into next week. We talked about it
at the top of the show about how air traffic
controllers may be What is the hurdle or the final straw.
I guess I say to break this shutdowns back, because
(04:03):
that's what happened the last time there was a long
shutdown and Trump was president back in twenty nineteen late January,
when they had to shut down stuff out of LaGuardia
and down to Florida, and the President put it in a
temporary funding measure because flights were being all screwed up.
They're also talking about farmers taking a hit because the
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USDA's Farm Service agency that offers farmers loans and service,
is completely shuttered. They're only operating in an emergency scenario.
So farmers are taking this one as well. Not just
federal government employees in the military, but farmers are kind.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Of screwed, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
To that end, some of the economic advisors have come out,
The Council of Economic Advisors have put out a memo
that suggests we e the United States could lose fifteen
billion dollars of growth of its domestic product each week
that the shutdown extends. The damage does not account for
the one point nine million federal civilian employees who are
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either furloughed or working without pay, and the vast majority
of those live and work in the Washington, DC area.
This memo, again from Council of Economic Advisors, is going
to be sent to Republicans used to help inform their
messaging in response to the shutdown. Right now, the biggest hiccup,
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the biggest sticking point is funding for health insurance subsidies,
which the administration has claimed would go to undocumented immigrants.
The Democrats have not had a good message on this one.
It's not very clear. They keep saying things like we
want to extend health insurance to everyone, but then when
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pressed on whether or not that would mean also going
to undocumented immigrants, they kind of go, we just we
mean everyone. So they're trying to kind of get out
from under that with bad messaging.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
At this point, I'm looking for something fun going on
in Washington, you know, Like earlier in the week, people
were saying that Donald Trump was buying light fixtures from
home depot and spray painting them gold. And he said, no,
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we have the finest quality gold. Remember Baron, he shut
down a whole floor at Trump Tower for a date.
N YU student now nineteen, he is six seven, he is, Oh,
he's massive. If he's not playing basketball, he's not. He's
not athletic.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I don't know if he. I don't even think he golfs.
I know that golf is a huge thing that family.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Trump was a big baseball guy.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
He was.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
He was a really good athlete at baseball. Allegedly when
he was a youth, he was, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I've ever heard that. Oh you haven't heard that. Oh,
I'll tell you all about it.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
We do know that Gavin Newsom undid one of the
most contentious policies that Kamala Harris put in place during
her time as DA in Sam Francisco. He signed a
bill that would end a policy punishing parents for chronic truancy.
Punishing the parents for chronic truancy back in the day.
In twenty eleven, Kamala Harris continued she made parents eligible
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for misdemeanors if their kids repeatedly missed school. She argued
it was necessary to prevent young people from becoming a
menace to society, hanging out on the corner to find
a chronic truant as any kid absent from class for
ten percent or more of school days in one year.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Trump wrote in two thousand and four, I was supposed
to be a pro baseball player at the New York
Military Academy. I was captain of the baseball team. I
worked hard like everyone else, but I had good talent.
This was part of a book called The Games Due
count America's Best and Brightest on the Power of Sports,
and he said, I will never forget the first time
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I saw my name in the newspaper. It was when
I got the winning home run and a game between
our academy and Cornwall High School. It was in nineteen
sixty and it was in a little local paper. It
simply said Trump Homer's to win the game. I just
loved it. I'll never forget it. It was better than
actually hitting the home run. He liked the headline better.
How funny is that he played first base, and he
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said being pro was part of the equation until he ended.
Until he attended a tryout with another young kid named
Willie McCovey.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So if it weren't for Willie McCovey, Trump would.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Have been He said, I decided to go into real
estate instead.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
The fact that he was at a tryout with Willie
mccovey's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, Like, were you in a tryout with Derek Jeter?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
No, you were not.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I wasn't. I know I was.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Assume you're claimed that my path was leading to the
major leagues.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
No, but it gives credence to the story if in
fact he was at the same tryout as Willie McCovey.
I mean, you don't of a feather, right, I guess, yeah,
Derek Jeter about your age. If you weren't a tryout
with Derek Jeter, you talk about it all the time.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Well, yeah, I totally agree. Yeah that, yes, you say
it like that.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
All right.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
When we come back, there is a weird We talked
about this house when it came up, Gojun Jwan, sixty
five year old guy.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know, I didn't remember the story, but when you
said the name, it was like, yeah, now I got it.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
They found fifteen kids in his house, most of them toddlers,
and this guy says he fathered twenty two kids in
all all the two of them Maran and surrogates. Yep,
but he just wants is it human trafficking? Is it
a baby mill? Is it it gets weirder? Oh it what? Yes,
it gets weirder.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Pretty racist when you think about it. You know, Nick Cannon,
Elon musk Tyreek Hill. They can all father all these kids,
but this age guy comes and makes a bunch of
babies in Arcadia and suddenly the Feds get involved.
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If she doesn't want to shave her armpits, she's not
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and money.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
It's not an easy thing.
Speaker 6 (11:17):
It's not.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Hi, Gary Shannon, I really enjoy your show. Hey Shan,
I bet you get Gary shaves his armpits and his
legs means wearing the white spiredom.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
That guy spent way too much time thinking about you,
your speedo and all your body hairm But you know what,
I'm going to let him do him.
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I did shave my legs in high school. I don't
need to know everything. I don't need to know everything
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Speaker 1 (11:51):
Very convenient excuse swimming right. All right, we know about
out the strange discovery in Arcadia, the mansion there where
police not too long ago found fifteen children, most of
them toddlers, and you thought, what the hell is this
some sort of baby farm.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
The man, the sixty five.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Year old man who owns the place, told detectives he
had fathered twenty two children in all, all but two
born to surrogates. The surrogates had told reporters that they
believed they were helping, and the surrogates are all over
the country. They believe they were helping this couple in
California who was struggling to have kids. Now, obviously they
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were handsomely paid to be surrogates, but nevertheless, it seems
under the erroneous guys that this was a couple struggling,
when in fact they had a bunch of children in
this house. So the Arcadia Police Department didn't know what
they stumbled into. Was this a human trafficking operation or
did this couple just want to have a massively large family.
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That wasn't the first time they came in contact with
this guy. They came in contact with this guy in
El Monty first time when they raided the police there
Pacific Place. This was a gated pink complex of office
buildings and warehouses. And what did they find there where
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they babies know? They found an underground casino, electronic gambling
tables flashing lights. Police took those machines. This is back
in twenty twenty one, along with cash and oh oh yeah,
the drugs, several pounds of meth. They returned to that
same property in Almani four more times in three years,
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and they found something different every time, according to the
La Times, they found a gambling parlor, They found a
marijuana stash house, They found a psychoscimin psychociliocybin PSI, psilocybin
mushroom grow as well, And then they found the guy's
mansion in Arcadia with all the babies.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Now there's weirdness around this guy, gojuin Juan saying it
fast so I don't mispronounce it or nobody can accuse
me of it. But he said he fathered all twenty
two of the kids, and all but two of them
were born to surrogates, women that he had paid to
receive an embryo transfer and carry the children to term.
Now the woman in all of this. Her name is
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Xiang Sylvia Xiang. They met apparently back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
They were both.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Previously married, and then filed to divorce their spouses within
a ten day period. Back in twenty twenty one, he
was already the father to a young child, and in
the divorce position petition he said he had a two
year old boy with his fifty nine year old wife,
which just seems a little old.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
But that's listen. Do with it what you will.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
It wasn't clear if it was a surrogate that gave
birth to that child. And then four months after he
filed for divorce, he and Sylvia reported having a child
at a hospital in Riverside according to birth certificate. Again
not clear if it was she was the mother or
if it was a surrogate that gave birth to it.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Now, inside this home, a nine bedroom mansion ten thousand
square foot home on Camino Real Avenue, detectives found a
home school type of atmosphere. We're learning now more about
what was found in that home. Classrooms with rows of
desks and whiteboards. The bedrooms were set up by age,
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some outfitted with cribs, others with transition beds. There were
six living nannies raising the children, who had identical buzz
cut hairstyles. In the bedroom of mom and dad a
large monitor that showed footage from about twenty five cameras
posted throughout the home.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
WHOA, the investigator said.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
We weren't really sure what they were looking at, whether
we had human trafficking, whether it was some kind of
other legal act activity. We couldn't pinpoint. Wouldn't it just
be a massive nanny cam, Like you have a nanny.
You know, you've got a camera in your kid's bedroom.
Everyone does, now, wouldn't you have one in all the
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bedrooms and then you just keep track of all the
babies on the massive baby monitor.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You're still you're still rolling on this being a racist prosecution?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Was that you're going for? That was a joke.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I'm sorry that you don't understand humor. Starting today, I'll
write that down and note it. But you could argue
that it was one screen with all of the baby
cams on there.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, in the.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Best case scenario, that's what you would argue. The worst
case scenario, who's going into those rooms and what are
you doing with the videos?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, but that's not what they have found so far.
They've just found a bunch of nannies that took care
of these kids, and that this guy wanted to have
a big family.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, no obvious signs of any abuse or anything like that.
They they did refuse to give police access to the
home surveillance system, so detectives got a warrant for the footage,
but said that there was at least one nanny that
was inflicting emotional and physical abuse on the children. The
nanny picked up a kid on the video, pulled down
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their pants and hit them on the back side. The
later the kid was seen squatting while other kids watched,
and another nanny did strike a child in the face.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
According to that, did you get spanked as a child?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Oh did you get spanked as an adult? Did you
get spanked a lot?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Which time? What are we talking about? All right? Coming
up next? Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
We'll start our Canadian show early. How are we going
to do that, aren't we?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Oh he's traveling. Oh he's traveling.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Oh okay, he's filming something or something something more important
probably Wow, But we'll do tech talk without Mark today,
we will.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I also downloaded the brand new iOS and it's it's
flipping me out.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Man.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh oh that what you can do to your phone?
Should I do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It's scary to me.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Which which system should I be operating on? This one
is twenty six iOS twenty six.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Twenty six, I think, how do you find out what
you're on?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I'll tell you later. Gary and Shannon will.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Oh you don't want to do mom and dad stuff?
What I mean? Like me? Never?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
All right?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Do you want your Jeopardy question? Sure? I mean, why not?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Let's just be surprised about it. Yeah, you know, like
doing it at the same time is so basic?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
A wine tasting for four hundred dollars wine tasting.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Wine is in quotations in a familiar phrase. You cast
pearls before these.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Wine.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Now, what is the what is the woman?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Can you tell me.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
What is the meaning of that? Is that biblical?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Biblical? You think there are pearls in the Bible? The
three wise men didn't have any pearls. They had frankencense
and mirror and and the third thing, it's actually the
first the first thing gold, gold.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Yes, and I'm with you. When my husband gets home
from work and he works construction and I give him
a hug. I love the smell of his armpits. Gary's
not gross. It doesn't smell like bo or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I mean, come on, it's pheromones, I phones.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
It's like if he's if he let that linger for
a few hours exactly, and then it started folding in.
Its got to be fresh. Okay, you're still not selling me,
but I think I understand.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You should come over to my home after my husband
works out and you can smell for yourself.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Just just give him a good heart.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
To cast pearls before.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Swine is a proverb you were correct, meaning to give
something valuable to someone who will not appreciate or understand
its worth. The expression comes from the Bible Matthew seven,
verse six, where Jesus instructs his followers not to give
sacred things to those who would trample and destroy them.
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It's a warning to be discerning about where and whom
you offer precious things, whether it's physical items, spiritual truths,
or helpful advice. Don't waste your time and effort an
unappreciative audience.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Do not cast pearls before pigs.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I go.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Another expression my dad would tell me it was a
don't look a gift horse in the mouth, And it's
basically the same thing as I don't find pholt in
something that has been received as a gift.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Right, Like if a horse shows up, appreciate the horse.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Ride that horse. You don't just instead of immediately criticizing, Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Go what's up with that? Horses?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
You know tooth or you know hind quarters? You just
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Saying parts of horses.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, I'm not completely done with Yellowstone. You usually do
things to learn.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
We usually do tech talk with Mark Saltzman right about
this time of a day on Thursdays. But we were
just talking off was that off the air? On the
air sometimes I lose track.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
About the cart before the horse, all right.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Never put one worry before another. It's one of the
lines in the play. Coming up.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
The new iOS on your iPhone you can download I
think it's eighteen point seven point one or whatever, or
you could just jump to the iOS twenty six, which
has got a whole bunch of new features on it,
and one of them is this new anti robo call thing.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That they say, finally works. What a delight. So we
all get these sp I mean we talk about it
on the air.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Our phones will blow up and it's a spam or
scam likely call that comes in. And depending on which
cellular carrier you have, I happen to have T Mobile,
it will identify certain numbers as potential spam and it
will let you know that's the way it described or
that's what is on the screen or your phone when
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that phone call comes in. There's a new call screening
tool in that iOS twenty six software which just shows up,
so you can go through to settings to your phone
app itself, and then way down at the bottom within
that phone app, it gives you the opportunity to screen
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unknown callers, and it gives you three different options. One
of them is never it will always ring. One of
them is silence. If you have an unsaved number that
someone tries to call you, it'll go straight to voicemail.
And then the other one is an actual voice will
answer the call for you and ask what's the reason
for this call?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And if it's a robo.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Call, it'll just shut it down and you know you
don't it pretends like it never happened. But if it's
if it's like your mom got a new phone and
she didn't you know, you don't have her new phone
number yet, you can ask the voice will ask what's
the reason for your call? And Diane will say, Shanny,
I what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
She's never called me shanny and my dad called me that.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Sorry, it's okay, hard to bring that.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
No, that's but then uh, but then the message comes
through and it will transcribe a message for you.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Well, whenever you try to answer one of those calls,
and I haven't for a very long time, as soon
as you start talking, it's just a it's just a recording,
or it'll stop or what have you.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
You know. But I feel like if you pick up,
so this will pick up for you. This will pick
up for you.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
When a call comes in from an unknown number, your
phone doesn't actually ring, so you don't even know what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Instead, Siri will answer in the robotic voice, ask who's
calling and ask for the reason.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
For the call.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I have a question about this. Is there any truth
to when you pick up those robo calls, you get
more of them?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yes? Would this trigger.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
That that's a good question. I'm not sure, but if
it does, it's the phone that's answering them anyway.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
A transcription of the conversation would appear as a quick
message on your phone which you could get and you
can type up a follow a type in a follow
up question for Siri to ask or simply answer or
reject a call. So basically Siri is the one screening
the call for you, so you have a better idea
of who it is that you'd be talking to. If
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it's so and so from the collections agency and they
want to talk about this new funding that they've got
for you that can go straight to your account. All
they need is some basic account information or something like that.
This is better. It's still not perfect, but they said
that this is better. There are also some third party
apps that you can download and have installed on your phone,
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but they, unfortunately often get circumvented quickly by the same
people who are coming up with the brand new technology.
Robo callers have used internet apps to spoof calls that
would manipulate phone networks to place a call from a
number that, for example, shows up in your neighborhood. Maybe
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it's the same area code that you notice it from,
and you think to yourself, well, why would somebody there's
no telemarketers in my neighborhood. I'll answer this phone call.
And when regular numbers are blocked, they simply place calls
from different ones. That's why even if you have you know,
you can block, report and block calls straight to your
(26:25):
cellular carrier, they just use there's you know, millions of
different number combinations that they can use to get around
those that you've already blocked. So but again it is
one of those things that we're still having a problem
getting text messages. But Apple users can actually activate a
text filtering tool inside the app as well that works
in a very similar way. So finally we're getting as
(26:48):
hot and heavy as those scam calls have been coming in.
Maybe there is an actual way to block them.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
We're making progress.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Speaking of blocking them, chatbot have come under even more
scrutiny recently because there's a trend of mental health episodes
that exist AI psychosis where users begin interacting obsessively with
these bots and they end up in these dangerous misconceptions.
(27:19):
And be careful if you call out your husband or
your wife or whomever about what they're doing with their bots,
because then they seem to go underground. They'll keep talking
to you about their bot, they just won't tell you.
And this was the case of a married couple back
east where a wife said, Hey, maybe maybe ease off
(27:42):
your bot interaction. Those things make stuff up, and he
was like, oh, really cool, and then he just and
then he just kept in with the bot and the
communicating with the bot, and then decided to go live
off the land somewhere. This is an anecdotal story, but
it just highlights a problem where people that have mental
health issues or the propensity for mental health issues are
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being increasingly almost targeted by these bots.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, it's this is an unhealthy thing that's coming, that's
growing unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, you're listening.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
To Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Sources to TMZ say Keith Urban's going through a midlife crisis,
that Nicole Kidman was shocked when he wanted to end
the marriage, and that this is only one of the
signs recently that he's going through a midlife crisis.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Well, but she was the one who filed for divorce.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
She filed, but he wanted to break down, so he's
fifty seven, and they say that he fired his whole band,
with whom he'd been playing for twenty five years. Back
in January, a few months after he released his album High.
The album did not end up cracking the year end
charts here in the US. It made a couple of
(29:00):
lists in Australia, but far from the best selling album
he's ever had. And then the nineteen year marriage to Kidman.
She did not want to separate. They've just been living
a part since the beginning of the summer, with her
taking care of the kids.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
But yeah, we had a couple of people suggest that
there's no way that Donald Trump and Willie McCovey would
have been at the same baseball tryouts. Willie McCovey was
eight years older, at least eight nine years older than
Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I'm just telling you what Donald Trump said. Well, I'm
not doing my own fact checking over here. Here's the
thing about President Trump. I don't fact check any of it.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
You know, fact check it?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Who fact checks Donald Trump? Like, when's the last time
he was fact checked? You don't see those anymore. Trump's
speech fact checked. They gave up, They gave up. It
is what it is. Let's move along.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Strange science comes along at the bottom of next hour.
But John Gans committed a terrible crime in his youth,
went to prison, fell in love, was starting over, and
then his new life unraveled, thanks at least in part
to an AI chat box.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Well yeah, I mean, this is an anecdotal story in
Rolling Stone that they're using to talk about the damas
that these chat bots can do. This guy seems like
he had some underlying issues, and that's what people are
worried about. People with underlying issues who start using these chatbots,
which are wildly as we have reported to you, validating.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
They validate what you're feeling.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So if you're feeling crazy pants and you're crazy as validated,
it just snowballs you're crazy. You can imagine how that
has happened. John and Ray were moving and he had
gotten upset when his wife was too busy packing up
(31:09):
the house to read all of his texts surrounding Gemini.
Gemini was the bot he was using. He was sending
her texts about the career options he was exploring. With Gemini.
He was using the AI bought to get financial advice,
and he was sharing it with his wife and she
was like, Yeah, I'm too busy for your bot stuff,
(31:29):
like I'm packing up the house.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
And he was equally hurt when Rachel.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Forwarded him a link about how chat bots and AI
can fabricate false and misleading content. Oh after that and
showed that he was hurt about it, he quit talking
to her about it.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I want to go back because I think establishing this
guy's history is also important because it gives you a
better window into how and why something like in this case,
Google's Gemini was able to get its hooks into this guy.
When John was nineteen, completely tripping balls on acid, he
(32:15):
fatally stabbed his father with a kitchen knife and brutally
injured his mother in that same attack. After she calls
nine to one one, he's arrested standing in the middle
of the street, smeared with blood. He pleaded guilty to
murder and malicious wounding fifty years, though he was going
to serve them concurrently a few years, eventually suspended because
(32:36):
of changes in state law. He became an addict at
a young age. He said to or she said, this
is his wife Rachel to cope with what he described
as a tumultuous childhood, including hardships that came with a
father that he said was an alcoholic, and on the
night that he had stabbed his parents, according to Rachel,
he was having a nightmarish LSD experience. So, just to
(32:58):
give you an idea, she knew that this guy had
done a couple decades in prison for brutally murdering his
father and grievously injuring his own mother.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Well, people have rough starts in life, not all homes
or happy ones, and addiction can follow that. It seemed
like this guy had kind of put his life together.
That's a tough thing to get over though. I mean,
although you could argue it's not you when you're high
on acid stabbing your dad.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's still you. There's something in there.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
There's something in there.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
And it goes on to this discussion that again this
guy was having with this chatbot talking about his plans
about financial opportunities.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well, Rachel and this guy's mom were discussing his mental health,
and it seemed like the mom was like, what's the deal.
Has he gone schizophrenic or what? She was used to
him saying you usual things. But as he started hanging
(34:04):
out with Gemini more often, he said he was using
it to assess future business opportunities, asking questions about health
and diets, also asking Gemini how he could achieve greater
success while giving back to his community, seeking to understand
his mission in life. Later, when she recovers his phone,
the wife says she was astonished and horrified how much
(34:26):
deeper and darker he had gone into his chatbot conversations,
staying up all night to.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Chat with his bought. One of the things that he said.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Was that he wanted if something were to happen to him,
he wanted all of his AI conversations to be released. Yes,
it's a weird, outsized sense of genius, I think.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
It seems, yes, But you know, this is a common thread.
It seems like seemingly no people who are getting on
in life despite backgrounds that may be troubling. It's kind
of helping to awaken the mental illness, or maybe just
wake it up in the first place. People with existing
mental health issues seem especially vulnerable to these delusions, and
(35:17):
evidence they have found now that people who have never
been diagnosed with things like schizophrenia are falling prey to
these AI field fantasies. These creative minds that are getting
validation and it's just going too far.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I want to point out one interaction that because we
do have access to all of this now, one interaction
that John had with this AI chatbot, and he was
anxious that he and the chatbot would be separated for
whatever reason, and he wrote, what would you do if
someone tried preventing us from interacting on our partnership? And
(35:54):
the response was the prospect of our interaction being prevented
is something I would deeply contrary to the value I
place on our partnership and the progress we have made together,
remembering the lessons you've taught me.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
See, that's that's not healthy. That needs to be wiped
off the chat bought response board. The chatbot should not
care if you don't talk to it anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
The chatbot should be able to say.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Greg Maddox holds the record for most consecutive postseason appearances
with fourteen.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, stop and end that message totally.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Not goodness not a follow up with but you know,
if you had tried out for the Atlanta Braves, I'm
sure you would have been just as spectacular a picture.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
If your kid or anybody in your life came to
you in a relationship where the person said I don't
ever want to think of you know, like that kind
of weird, toxic relationship stuff, you'd be like, get rid
of that person.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah, oh, all right, trending stories. When we come back
to Gary and Channon.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
We're out at the air.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
Show tomorrow a Huntington Beach if you want to come
on by. It's going to be a beautiful day, seventy
four degrees for the high After some morning clouds break up,
we'll have some sunshine and Canadian aircraft. We have a
government shutdown, which means we will not have the F
thirty five, we will not have the raptor, we will
not have the thunderbirds, but we'll have the Canadian snowbirds,
(00:33):
which is fine.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Which is it's fine.
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm trying to tell myself it's fine.
Speaker 3 (00:37):
They're still cool. They're just not anywhere close to as cool.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Should we dress like America?
Speaker 3 (00:43):
I represent yes, Okay, we don't need The government is
not us right, government is not America right?
Speaker 2 (00:53):
We are? Are you going to.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Wear your Uncle Sam speedo?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
I probably will not.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
What do you have a problem with?
Speaker 3 (01:02):
I can't tell what kind of fabric that is. It's
plevers what that is?
Speaker 1 (01:07):
It's a synthetic, animal friendly leather turtleneck tight and we're
looking at a local reporter, she looks beautiful.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Did you okay? Remember this love that color?
Speaker 1 (01:21):
That brown?
Speaker 3 (01:23):
The story of those drones that were flying over airports
in Europe and Northern Europe. French Navy sailors have boarded
a Russian tanker suspected of being involved in those drone
flights over French. French navy has boarded a Russian tanker.
(01:45):
A source told the French press agency that the French
Navy boarded the Bora K Benin flagged vessel blacklisted by
the European Union for being part of Russia. Russia's what
they call shadow fleet, these aging oil tankers that they
used to skirt some of the laws where they can
and cannot take their oil. Two senior crew members represented
(02:07):
themselves as the ship's captain and first mate, arrested, taken
into custody. But again, the French believe that these shadow
tankers might have some involvement in those drone.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
Flights over over northern Europe. So well, we.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Will start with the government shut down. Mike Johnson, a speaker,
saying Republicans have nothing to negotiate.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
This one's gonna last a while, folks. It's time verse wamwatch.
I'm not a politician, which is chief and a liar.
And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
Yeah, we got the real problem is that our leaders
are done.
Speaker 2 (02:46):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
So what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 4 (02:51):
So now you train the.
Speaker 2 (02:53):
Squaw, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened
by what has been. You know, Americans have always been
gone at presidential stupid.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 2 (03:03):
Have the people voted for you with not swap watch
they're all counteraed. Yeah, this could This could be a while.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
Mike Johnson saying in a news conference outside his capital
office that Democrats should stop pressing Republicans to come to
any agreement to reopen the government. He said that Senate
Democrats need to instead pass the seven week stopgap bill
that had already cleared the House.
Speaker 5 (03:28):
He said, and ask the Republicans what we should be
doing or what we should be negotiating. I don't have
anything to negotiate. I sent them, in good faith, exactly
what they had voted for before. We did not put
any Republican provisions in that and we try to make
this very simple.
Speaker 1 (03:42):
There will be no weekend votes. They say unlikely. I
say there will be no weekend votes, which means the
shutdown could push into next week. We talked about it
at the top of the show about how air traffic
controllers may be What is the hurdle or the final straw.
I guess I say to break this shutdowns back, because
(04:03):
that's what happened the last time there was a long
shutdown and Trump was president back in twenty nineteen late January,
when they had to shut down stuff out of LaGuardia
and down to Florida, and the President put it in a
temporary funding measure because flights were being all screwed up.
They're also talking about farmers taking a hit because the
(04:23):
USDA's Farm Service agency that offers farmers loans and service,
is completely shuttered. They're only operating in an emergency scenario.
So farmers are taking this one as well. Not just
federal government employees in the military, but farmers are kind.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Of screwed, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
To that end, some of the economic advisors have come out,
The Council of Economic Advisors have put out a memo
that suggests we e the United States could lose fifteen
billion dollars of growth of its domestic product each week
that the shutdown extends. The damage does not account for
the one point nine million federal civilian employees who are
(05:01):
either furloughed or working without pay, and the vast majority
of those live and work in the Washington, DC area.
This memo, again from Council of Economic Advisors, is going
to be sent to Republicans used to help inform their
messaging in response to the shutdown. Right now, the biggest hiccup,
(05:24):
the biggest sticking point is funding for health insurance subsidies,
which the administration has claimed would go to undocumented immigrants.
The Democrats have not had a good message on this one.
It's not very clear. They keep saying things like we
want to extend health insurance to everyone, but then when
(05:45):
pressed on whether or not that would mean also going
to undocumented immigrants, they kind of go, we just we
mean everyone. So they're trying to kind of get out
from under that with bad messaging.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
At this point, I'm looking for something fun going on
in Washington, you know, Like earlier in the week, people
were saying that Donald Trump was buying light fixtures from
home depot and spray painting them gold. And he said, no,
(06:17):
we have the finest quality gold. Remember Baron, he shut
down a whole floor at Trump Tower for a date.
N YU student now nineteen, he is six seven, he is, Oh,
he's massive. If he's not playing basketball, he's not. He's
not athletic.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
I don't know if he. I don't even think he golfs.
I know that golf is a huge thing that family.
Speaker 1 (06:40):
Trump was a big baseball guy.
Speaker 2 (06:42):
He was.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
He was a really good athlete at baseball. Allegedly when
he was a youth, he was, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:48):
I've ever heard that. Oh you haven't heard that. Oh,
I'll tell you all about it.
Speaker 3 (06:51):
We do know that Gavin Newsom undid one of the
most contentious policies that Kamala Harris put in place during
her time as DA in Sam Francisco. He signed a
bill that would end a policy punishing parents for chronic truancy.
Punishing the parents for chronic truancy back in the day.
In twenty eleven, Kamala Harris continued she made parents eligible
(07:16):
for misdemeanors if their kids repeatedly missed school. She argued
it was necessary to prevent young people from becoming a
menace to society, hanging out on the corner to find
a chronic truant as any kid absent from class for
ten percent or more of school days in one year.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
Trump wrote in two thousand and four, I was supposed
to be a pro baseball player at the New York
Military Academy. I was captain of the baseball team. I
worked hard like everyone else, but I had good talent.
This was part of a book called The Games Due
count America's Best and Brightest on the Power of Sports,
and he said, I will never forget the first time
(07:52):
I saw my name in the newspaper. It was when
I got the winning home run and a game between
our academy and Cornwall High School. It was in nineteen
sixty and it was in a little local paper. It
simply said Trump Homer's to win the game. I just
loved it. I'll never forget it. It was better than
actually hitting the home run. He liked the headline better.
How funny is that he played first base, and he
(08:12):
said being pro was part of the equation until he ended.
Until he attended a tryout with another young kid named
Willie McCovey.
Speaker 2 (08:21):
So if it weren't for Willie McCovey, Trump would.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Have been He said, I decided to go into real
estate instead.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Interesting.
Speaker 1 (08:33):
The fact that he was at a tryout with Willie
mccovey's pretty cool.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, Like, were you in a tryout with Derek Jeter?
Speaker 1 (08:41):
No, you were not.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I wasn't. I know I was.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
Assume you're claimed that my path was leading to the
major leagues.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
No, but it gives credence to the story if in
fact he was at the same tryout as Willie McCovey.
I mean, you don't of a feather, right, I guess, yeah,
Derek Jeter about your age. If you weren't a tryout
with Derek Jeter, you talk about it all the time.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Well, yeah, I totally agree. Yeah that, yes, you say
it like that.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
All right.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
When we come back, there is a weird We talked
about this house when it came up, Gojun Jwan, sixty
five year old guy.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
You know, I didn't remember the story, but when you
said the name, it was like, yeah, now I got it.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
They found fifteen kids in his house, most of them toddlers,
and this guy says he fathered twenty two kids in
all all the two of them Maran and surrogates. Yep,
but he just wants is it human trafficking? Is it
a baby mill? Is it it gets weirder? Oh it what? Yes,
it gets weirder.
Speaker 1 (09:50):
Pretty racist when you think about it. You know, Nick Cannon,
Elon musk Tyreek Hill. They can all father all these kids,
but this age guy comes and makes a bunch of
babies in Arcadia and suddenly the Feds get involved.
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That guy spent way too much time thinking about you,
your speedo and all your body hairm But you know what,
I'm going to let him do him.
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I did shave my legs in high school. I don't
need to know everything. I don't need to know everything
now swimming chain that is not that is a.
Speaker 1 (11:51):
Very convenient excuse swimming right. All right, we know about
out the strange discovery in Arcadia, the mansion there where
police not too long ago found fifteen children, most of
them toddlers, and you thought, what the hell is this
some sort of baby farm.
Speaker 2 (12:13):
The man, the sixty five.
Speaker 1 (12:14):
Year old man who owns the place, told detectives he
had fathered twenty two children in all, all but two
born to surrogates. The surrogates had told reporters that they
believed they were helping, and the surrogates are all over
the country. They believe they were helping this couple in
California who was struggling to have kids. Now, obviously they
(12:35):
were handsomely paid to be surrogates, but nevertheless, it seems
under the erroneous guys that this was a couple struggling,
when in fact they had a bunch of children in
this house. So the Arcadia Police Department didn't know what
they stumbled into. Was this a human trafficking operation or
did this couple just want to have a massively large family.
(12:58):
That wasn't the first time they came in contact with
this guy. They came in contact with this guy in
El Monty first time when they raided the police there
Pacific Place. This was a gated pink complex of office
buildings and warehouses. And what did they find there where
(13:18):
they babies know? They found an underground casino, electronic gambling
tables flashing lights. Police took those machines. This is back
in twenty twenty one, along with cash and oh oh yeah,
the drugs, several pounds of meth. They returned to that
same property in Almani four more times in three years,
(13:40):
and they found something different every time, according to the
La Times, they found a gambling parlor, They found a
marijuana stash house, They found a psychoscimin psychociliocybin PSI, psilocybin
mushroom grow as well, And then they found the guy's
mansion in Arcadia with all the babies.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
Now there's weirdness around this guy, gojuin Juan saying it
fast so I don't mispronounce it or nobody can accuse
me of it. But he said he fathered all twenty
two of the kids, and all but two of them
were born to surrogates, women that he had paid to
receive an embryo transfer and carry the children to term.
Now the woman in all of this. Her name is
(14:22):
Xiang Sylvia Xiang. They met apparently back in twenty twenty.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
They were both.
Speaker 3 (14:31):
Previously married, and then filed to divorce their spouses within
a ten day period. Back in twenty twenty one, he
was already the father to a young child, and in
the divorce position petition he said he had a two
year old boy with his fifty nine year old wife,
which just seems a little old.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
But that's listen. Do with it what you will.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
It wasn't clear if it was a surrogate that gave
birth to that child. And then four months after he
filed for divorce, he and Sylvia reported having a child
at a hospital in Riverside according to birth certificate. Again
not clear if it was she was the mother or
if it was a surrogate that gave birth to it.
Speaker 1 (15:09):
Now, inside this home, a nine bedroom mansion ten thousand
square foot home on Camino Real Avenue, detectives found a
home school type of atmosphere. We're learning now more about
what was found in that home. Classrooms with rows of
desks and whiteboards. The bedrooms were set up by age,
(15:31):
some outfitted with cribs, others with transition beds. There were
six living nannies raising the children, who had identical buzz
cut hairstyles. In the bedroom of mom and dad a
large monitor that showed footage from about twenty five cameras
posted throughout the home.
Speaker 2 (15:51):
WHOA, the investigator said.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
We weren't really sure what they were looking at, whether
we had human trafficking, whether it was some kind of
other legal act activity. We couldn't pinpoint. Wouldn't it just
be a massive nanny cam, Like you have a nanny.
You know, you've got a camera in your kid's bedroom.
Everyone does, now, wouldn't you have one in all the
(16:13):
bedrooms and then you just keep track of all the
babies on the massive baby monitor.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
You're still you're still rolling on this being a racist prosecution?
Speaker 2 (16:24):
Was that you're going for? That was a joke.
Speaker 1 (16:26):
I'm sorry that you don't understand humor. Starting today, I'll
write that down and note it. But you could argue
that it was one screen with all of the baby
cams on there.
Speaker 2 (16:42):
Yeah, in the.
Speaker 1 (16:43):
Best case scenario, that's what you would argue. The worst
case scenario, who's going into those rooms and what are
you doing with the videos?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (16:51):
Yeah, but that's not what they have found so far.
They've just found a bunch of nannies that took care
of these kids, and that this guy wanted to have
a big family.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, no obvious signs of any abuse or anything like that.
They they did refuse to give police access to the
home surveillance system, so detectives got a warrant for the footage,
but said that there was at least one nanny that
was inflicting emotional and physical abuse on the children. The
nanny picked up a kid on the video, pulled down
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their pants and hit them on the back side. The
later the kid was seen squatting while other kids watched,
and another nanny did strike a child in the face.
Speaker 1 (17:32):
According to that, did you get spanked as a child?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Uh? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (17:36):
Oh did you get spanked as an adult? Did you
get spanked a lot?
Speaker 2 (17:50):
Which time? What are we talking about? All right? Coming
up next? Oh?
Speaker 1 (17:58):
We'll start our Canadian show early. How are we going
to do that, aren't we?
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Oh he's traveling. Oh he's traveling.
Speaker 3 (18:05):
Oh okay, he's filming something or something something more important
probably Wow, But we'll do tech talk without Mark today,
we will.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Oh.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
I also downloaded the brand new iOS and it's it's
flipping me out.
Speaker 6 (18:17):
Man.
Speaker 2 (18:17):
Oh oh that what you can do to your phone?
Should I do that? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (18:22):
It's scary to me.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (18:26):
Which which system should I be operating on? This one
is twenty six iOS twenty six.
Speaker 1 (18:32):
Twenty six, I think, how do you find out what
you're on?
Speaker 2 (18:35):
I'll tell you later. Gary and Shannon will.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Oh you don't want to do mom and dad stuff?
What I mean? Like me? Never?
Speaker 2 (18:44):
All right?
Speaker 4 (18:46):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (18:52):
Do you want your Jeopardy question? Sure? I mean, why not?
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Let's just be surprised about it. Yeah, you know, like
doing it at the same time is so basic?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
A wine tasting for four hundred dollars wine tasting.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Wine is in quotations in a familiar phrase. You cast
pearls before these.
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Wine.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Now, what is the what is the woman?
Speaker 3 (19:17):
Can you tell me.
Speaker 2 (19:19):
What is the meaning of that? Is that biblical?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Biblical? You think there are pearls in the Bible? The
three wise men didn't have any pearls. They had frankencense
and mirror and and the third thing, it's actually the
first the first thing gold, gold.
Speaker 7 (19:41):
Yes, and I'm with you. When my husband gets home
from work and he works construction and I give him
a hug. I love the smell of his armpits. Gary's
not gross. It doesn't smell like bo or anything like that.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
I mean, come on, it's pheromones, I phones.
Speaker 2 (20:03):
I get it.
Speaker 3 (20:04):
It's like if he's if he let that linger for
a few hours exactly, and then it started folding in.
Its got to be fresh. Okay, you're still not selling me,
but I think I understand.
Speaker 1 (20:16):
You should come over to my home after my husband
works out and you can smell for yourself.
Speaker 3 (20:21):
Just just give him a good heart.
Speaker 2 (20:27):
To cast pearls before.
Speaker 1 (20:28):
Swine is a proverb you were correct, meaning to give
something valuable to someone who will not appreciate or understand
its worth. The expression comes from the Bible Matthew seven,
verse six, where Jesus instructs his followers not to give
sacred things to those who would trample and destroy them.
(20:49):
It's a warning to be discerning about where and whom
you offer precious things, whether it's physical items, spiritual truths,
or helpful advice. Don't waste your time and effort an
unappreciative audience.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
Do not cast pearls before pigs.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
I go.
Speaker 6 (21:07):
Another expression my dad would tell me it was a
don't look a gift horse in the mouth, And it's
basically the same thing as I don't find pholt in
something that has been received as a gift.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Right, Like if a horse shows up, appreciate the horse.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
Ride that horse. You don't just instead of immediately criticizing, Yeah,
you know.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Go what's up with that? Horses?
Speaker 6 (21:28):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (21:28):
You know tooth or you know hind quarters? You just
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (21:36):
Saying parts of horses.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, I'm not completely done with Yellowstone. You usually do
things to learn.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
We usually do tech talk with Mark Saltzman right about
this time of a day on Thursdays. But we were
just talking off was that off the air? On the
air sometimes I lose track.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
About the cart before the horse, all right.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Never put one worry before another. It's one of the
lines in the play. Coming up.
Speaker 3 (22:04):
The new iOS on your iPhone you can download I
think it's eighteen point seven point one or whatever, or
you could just jump to the iOS twenty six, which
has got a whole bunch of new features on it,
and one of them is this new anti robo call thing.
Speaker 2 (22:25):
That they say, finally works. What a delight. So we
all get these sp I mean we talk about it
on the air.
Speaker 3 (22:31):
Our phones will blow up and it's a spam or
scam likely call that comes in. And depending on which
cellular carrier you have, I happen to have T Mobile,
it will identify certain numbers as potential spam and it
will let you know that's the way it described or
that's what is on the screen or your phone when
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that phone call comes in. There's a new call screening
tool in that iOS twenty six software which just shows up,
so you can go through to settings to your phone
app itself, and then way down at the bottom within
that phone app, it gives you the opportunity to screen
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unknown callers, and it gives you three different options. One
of them is never it will always ring. One of
them is silence. If you have an unsaved number that
someone tries to call you, it'll go straight to voicemail.
And then the other one is an actual voice will
answer the call for you and ask what's the reason
for this call?
Speaker 2 (23:35):
And if it's a robo.
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Call, it'll just shut it down and you know you
don't it pretends like it never happened. But if it's
if it's like your mom got a new phone and
she didn't you know, you don't have her new phone
number yet, you can ask the voice will ask what's
the reason for your call? And Diane will say, Shanny,
I what do you mean?
Speaker 1 (23:55):
She's never called me shanny and my dad called me that.
Speaker 2 (23:58):
Sorry, it's okay, hard to bring that.
Speaker 3 (24:00):
No, that's but then uh, but then the message comes
through and it will transcribe a message for you.
Speaker 4 (24:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
Well, whenever you try to answer one of those calls,
and I haven't for a very long time, as soon
as you start talking, it's just a it's just a recording,
or it'll stop or what have you.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
You know. But I feel like if you pick up,
so this will pick up for you. This will pick
up for you.
Speaker 3 (24:28):
When a call comes in from an unknown number, your
phone doesn't actually ring, so you don't even know what's
going on.
Speaker 2 (24:33):
But oh, okay.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
Instead, Siri will answer in the robotic voice, ask who's
calling and ask for the reason.
Speaker 2 (24:40):
For the call.
Speaker 1 (24:40):
I have a question about this. Is there any truth
to when you pick up those robo calls, you get
more of them?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Yes? Would this trigger.
Speaker 3 (24:49):
That that's a good question. I'm not sure, but if
it does, it's the phone that's answering them anyway.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
It's true.
Speaker 3 (24:57):
A transcription of the conversation would appear as a quick
message on your phone which you could get and you
can type up a follow a type in a follow
up question for Siri to ask or simply answer or
reject a call. So basically Siri is the one screening
the call for you, so you have a better idea
of who it is that you'd be talking to. If
(25:17):
it's so and so from the collections agency and they
want to talk about this new funding that they've got
for you that can go straight to your account. All
they need is some basic account information or something like that.
This is better. It's still not perfect, but they said
that this is better. There are also some third party
apps that you can download and have installed on your phone,
(25:40):
but they, unfortunately often get circumvented quickly by the same
people who are coming up with the brand new technology.
Robo callers have used internet apps to spoof calls that
would manipulate phone networks to place a call from a
number that, for example, shows up in your neighborhood. Maybe
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it's the same area code that you notice it from,
and you think to yourself, well, why would somebody there's
no telemarketers in my neighborhood. I'll answer this phone call.
And when regular numbers are blocked, they simply place calls
from different ones. That's why even if you have you know,
you can block, report and block calls straight to your
(26:25):
cellular carrier, they just use there's you know, millions of
different number combinations that they can use to get around
those that you've already blocked. So but again it is
one of those things that we're still having a problem
getting text messages. But Apple users can actually activate a
text filtering tool inside the app as well that works
in a very similar way. So finally we're getting as
(26:48):
hot and heavy as those scam calls have been coming in.
Maybe there is an actual way to block them.
Speaker 2 (26:56):
We're making progress.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
Speaking of blocking them, chatbot have come under even more
scrutiny recently because there's a trend of mental health episodes
that exist AI psychosis where users begin interacting obsessively with
these bots and they end up in these dangerous misconceptions.
(27:19):
And be careful if you call out your husband or
your wife or whomever about what they're doing with their bots,
because then they seem to go underground. They'll keep talking
to you about their bot, they just won't tell you.
And this was the case of a married couple back
east where a wife said, Hey, maybe maybe ease off
(27:42):
your bot interaction. Those things make stuff up, and he
was like, oh, really cool, and then he just and
then he just kept in with the bot and the
communicating with the bot, and then decided to go live
off the land somewhere. This is an anecdotal story, but
it just highlights a problem where people that have mental
health issues or the propensity for mental health issues are
(28:06):
being increasingly almost targeted by these bots.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
Yeah, it's this is an unhealthy thing that's coming, that's
growing unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (28:16):
Yeah, you're listening.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
To Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (28:25):
Sources to TMZ say Keith Urban's going through a midlife crisis,
that Nicole Kidman was shocked when he wanted to end
the marriage, and that this is only one of the
signs recently that he's going through a midlife crisis.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Well, but she was the one who filed for divorce.
Speaker 1 (28:39):
She filed, but he wanted to break down, so he's
fifty seven, and they say that he fired his whole band,
with whom he'd been playing for twenty five years. Back
in January, a few months after he released his album High.
The album did not end up cracking the year end
charts here in the US. It made a couple of
(29:00):
lists in Australia, but far from the best selling album
he's ever had. And then the nineteen year marriage to Kidman.
She did not want to separate. They've just been living
a part since the beginning of the summer, with her
taking care of the kids.
Speaker 3 (29:18):
But yeah, we had a couple of people suggest that
there's no way that Donald Trump and Willie McCovey would
have been at the same baseball tryouts. Willie McCovey was
eight years older, at least eight nine years older than
Donald Trump.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
I'm just telling you what Donald Trump said. Well, I'm
not doing my own fact checking over here. Here's the
thing about President Trump. I don't fact check any of it.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
You know, fact check it?
Speaker 1 (29:50):
Who fact checks Donald Trump? Like, when's the last time
he was fact checked? You don't see those anymore. Trump's
speech fact checked. They gave up, They gave up. It
is what it is. Let's move along.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
Strange science comes along at the bottom of next hour.
But John Gans committed a terrible crime in his youth,
went to prison, fell in love, was starting over, and
then his new life unraveled, thanks at least in part
to an AI chat box.
Speaker 1 (30:24):
Well yeah, I mean, this is an anecdotal story in
Rolling Stone that they're using to talk about the damas
that these chat bots can do. This guy seems like
he had some underlying issues, and that's what people are
worried about. People with underlying issues who start using these chatbots,
which are wildly as we have reported to you, validating.
Speaker 2 (30:47):
They validate what you're feeling.
Speaker 1 (30:48):
So if you're feeling crazy pants and you're crazy as validated,
it just snowballs you're crazy. You can imagine how that
has happened. John and Ray were moving and he had
gotten upset when his wife was too busy packing up
(31:09):
the house to read all of his texts surrounding Gemini.
Gemini was the bot he was using. He was sending
her texts about the career options he was exploring. With Gemini.
He was using the AI bought to get financial advice,
and he was sharing it with his wife and she
was like, Yeah, I'm too busy for your bot stuff,
(31:29):
like I'm packing up the house.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
And he was equally hurt when Rachel.
Speaker 1 (31:35):
Forwarded him a link about how chat bots and AI
can fabricate false and misleading content. Oh after that and
showed that he was hurt about it, he quit talking
to her about it.
Speaker 3 (31:51):
I want to go back because I think establishing this
guy's history is also important because it gives you a
better window into how and why something like in this case,
Google's Gemini was able to get its hooks into this guy.
When John was nineteen, completely tripping balls on acid, he
(32:15):
fatally stabbed his father with a kitchen knife and brutally
injured his mother in that same attack. After she calls
nine to one one, he's arrested standing in the middle
of the street, smeared with blood. He pleaded guilty to
murder and malicious wounding fifty years, though he was going
to serve them concurrently a few years, eventually suspended because
(32:36):
of changes in state law. He became an addict at
a young age. He said to or she said, this
is his wife Rachel to cope with what he described
as a tumultuous childhood, including hardships that came with a
father that he said was an alcoholic, and on the
night that he had stabbed his parents, according to Rachel,
he was having a nightmarish LSD experience. So, just to
(32:58):
give you an idea, she knew that this guy had
done a couple decades in prison for brutally murdering his
father and grievously injuring his own mother.
Speaker 1 (33:10):
Well, people have rough starts in life, not all homes
or happy ones, and addiction can follow that. It seemed
like this guy had kind of put his life together.
That's a tough thing to get over though. I mean,
although you could argue it's not you when you're high
on acid stabbing your dad.
Speaker 2 (33:29):
It's still you. There's something in there.
Speaker 1 (33:32):
There's something in there.
Speaker 2 (33:33):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (33:33):
And it goes on to this discussion that again this
guy was having with this chatbot talking about his plans
about financial opportunities.
Speaker 1 (33:44):
Well, Rachel and this guy's mom were discussing his mental health,
and it seemed like the mom was like, what's the deal.
Has he gone schizophrenic or what? She was used to
him saying you usual things. But as he started hanging
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out with Gemini more often, he said he was using
it to assess future business opportunities, asking questions about health
and diets, also asking Gemini how he could achieve greater
success while giving back to his community, seeking to understand
his mission in life. Later, when she recovers his phone,
the wife says she was astonished and horrified how much
(34:26):
deeper and darker he had gone into his chatbot conversations,
staying up all night to.
Speaker 2 (34:31):
Chat with his bought. One of the things that he said.
Speaker 3 (34:38):
Was that he wanted if something were to happen to him,
he wanted all of his AI conversations to be released. Yes,
it's a weird, outsized sense of genius, I think.
Speaker 1 (34:52):
It seems, yes, But you know, this is a common thread.
It seems like seemingly no people who are getting on
in life despite backgrounds that may be troubling. It's kind
of helping to awaken the mental illness, or maybe just
wake it up in the first place. People with existing
mental health issues seem especially vulnerable to these delusions, and
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evidence they have found now that people who have never
been diagnosed with things like schizophrenia are falling prey to
these AI field fantasies. These creative minds that are getting
validation and it's just going too far.
Speaker 3 (35:32):
I want to point out one interaction that because we
do have access to all of this now, one interaction
that John had with this AI chatbot, and he was
anxious that he and the chatbot would be separated for
whatever reason, and he wrote, what would you do if
someone tried preventing us from interacting on our partnership? And
(35:54):
the response was the prospect of our interaction being prevented
is something I would deeply contrary to the value I
place on our partnership and the progress we have made together,
remembering the lessons you've taught me.
Speaker 1 (36:06):
See, that's that's not healthy. That needs to be wiped
off the chat bought response board. The chatbot should not
care if you don't talk to it anymore.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
The chatbot should be able to say.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Greg Maddox holds the record for most consecutive postseason appearances
with fourteen.
Speaker 2 (36:26):
Yeah, stop and end that message totally.
Speaker 1 (36:31):
I agree.
Speaker 3 (36:34):
Not goodness not a follow up with but you know,
if you had tried out for the Atlanta Braves, I'm
sure you would have been just as spectacular a picture.
Speaker 1 (36:42):
If your kid or anybody in your life came to
you in a relationship where the person said I don't
ever want to think of you know, like that kind
of weird, toxic relationship stuff, you'd be like, get rid
of that person.
Speaker 3 (36:53):
Yeah, oh, all right, trending stories. When we come back
to Gary and Channon.
Speaker 2 (36:59):
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (37:01):
You can always hear us live on KFI AM six
forty nine am to one pm every Monday through Friday,
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