December 25, 2025 • 26 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Like the Secret Mormon Clothes? Is that what you're telling
the underpants now?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Catherine Hartman is a professor at the University of Wyoming,
and she was figuring out what to do when it
came to finals this month, and her students encountered a
testing method, according to The Washington Post, as old as
the ancient philosophers whose ideas they were studying. She didn't
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do written exams. She did oral exams as their final. Now,
you I didn't think about this when I was reading
through this article in the first place. But if you
look back to your college days, depending on what kind
of studies you did, kinds of classes that you took,
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oral exams were probably not.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Entirely unknown. When we were in college, I took like
a theater claque one.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I took one theater class and it wasn't It wasn't obviously,
it wasn't a written exam.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It was a final scene that you had to be remember.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Ever having an oral exam in the history of my education,
I'm right to cite a poem at one point that's.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I mean, that would kind of count.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
But in terms of testing your knowledge about specific things
that would be really nerve wracked, that would be awful.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Like that was before that would have provided me with
the what the kids now call anxiety.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You didn't have a word for it back then.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But could you imagine getting up in front of the
class and being on the spot and you had to
talk about what you know?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Oh, even if it's not in front of the class,
even if it's just you and the professor, and she's
banging out a list of questions, and you're like, I.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Mean, I had a hard enough time at confession D Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
She said that she tells her students that this all
is an attempt to push back against AI, to take
AI out of the equation. When you're trying to prove
to your professor what knowledge you've gained over the course
of the semester, or year, whatever it is, she says
to her students, using AI is like bringing a forklift
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to the gym when you're supposed to be working out
your own muscles. And so far, she said, most of
the students have embraced this is a little overkell, but okay,
I have embraced the training regimen. One twenty year old
is a double major Spanish and History. Took her final
exam last week and admits to being pretty freaked out
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by the idea of the oral exam, but now she
wishes she had more of them. She says, with this exam,
I don't know how you could use AI. Frankly. In
a recent survey of college students, eighty five percent said
they had used AI in their courses.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
The other fifteen percent lied through their teeth.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
They said they were using it in terms of brainstorming ideas,
maybe even preparing for quizzes. A quarter of them admitted
that they had used AI to complete assignments, and about
thirty percent said colleges should design more AI proof methods
of assessment and that oral exams may would be something
that they would that the students would be in favor
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of and to test their knowledge, as opposed to, you know,
write a twelve page term paper on the I don't
know the oil impact on the something of the trees.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I love that you were just trying to come up
with something that would be and I couldn't come anywhere close.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You could have said anything like earlier in the week
I brought up the War of eighteen.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Twelve, I would have been perfect. I guess right. Hey,
did you hear I heard on the radio this morning
a story radio station where you're listening to a radio station,
go on.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
There was a story about a guy who's suing a
hospital because he went in for a medical procedure for
some reason, was able to have his phone on him
and recorded the surgeons talking while he was under and
they were saying rude things about him or her. I
think it's a trans person and I think a woman.
I think it's a trans transition.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I just use your wife's trick.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh, it was a trans woman and she was recording
the whole thing and the things that the people were saying,
and it was not trans related like that is so
an ancillary part of the It has nothing to do
with it. But except there is a penis involved. But
the fact that she's suing, you know, because because they
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said things about you know her, is ridiculous or is
it sent for half a million dollars? And I think
the jury awarded it to her?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Here is the kicker.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
This is what they said, they said she was really
annoying and that they wanted the doctor. The surgeon said
she was so annoying I wanted to punch her in
the face. And then said somebody else said her penis
looks like it has ebola. Well that's hilarious. Like that
is the most ridiculous insult. It's not even timely, but
it made me laugh out loud.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
It's like, look at.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
This, like in a Bola penis, Like that's fun I
don't know what it means.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It's not timely.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Nobody's mentioned ebola in a series of years, but it's funny.
That is weird, right, Not a good rule, but a
half a million dollars? Would you have your penis name
called for half a million? I'd say yes, you would.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I think I would. I'd even go and you do
it for twenty bucks.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Any sort of hemorrhagic disease, fine by me, rip away,
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
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AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
A Great horned Owl. Before we get into the story,
did the owl live?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yes? Okay? Good?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Because I didn't want like a three I didn't want
a triple crown of sad stories. A Southern California driver
made a startling discovery yesterday morning when they found an
owl stuck in the grill of their toyota.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
This was a great horned owl in Santa Barbara.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Now, there are some grills on vehicles, trucks, cars, whatever,
where I could see a bird getting stuck. This does
not look like the openings in the grill are large
enough for it to get stuck.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Well, the sheer force of the bird probably cut through
the plastic grating that is.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
On the front of this toyota. Okay, you know what
I mean. Oh, broke off parts of it. Yeah, okay,
all right.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
At least four firefighters from San Bernadine, San Barbara County
called the fire department help with the birds.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Rescue and Scott's safe.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Chuck great name is a PIO of the county Fire
Department in Santa Barbara, and he said, this is the
first time we had an owl entangled in a vehicle.
Usually he says it's a cat.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Or sometimes we have cattle that get onto the highway
and somehow get the laughter.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I shouldn't what I'm not now. Richie's upset. Thank god,
Amy's gone well.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Listen. This is why I'm laughing. Think of the expression. Okay,
we have a picture of the owl right as this
firefighter is. He's got leather gloves on. He's trying to
help extract the owl from the grill of this car.
That looks pissed. That's what I was gonna say. You
know what an owl looks like, and you know what
an owl's capable of. Constantly has that intense look on
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his face. A cat, if it were in that same position,
might not have an angry look on its face.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
You don't think a cat would have an angry look.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Well I could, but definitely not as piercing as the
owl to have that giant like eyeballs, huge ears, pinn weak.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You don't really know cats expressions that well because you
had one for a week and then gave it back
to a shelter.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Four years horrible.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
This little owl face, to me, reminds me of a
cat face because it looks pissed, and cats look pissed
all the time. Richie, what would you do if your
cat got stuck in a car?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I would literally die, I know you would. Elmer not
fun to laugh at that, That's not no, No, I'm
just saying I would die too.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But it was.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Funny, how like, you know, right to the point he went,
and I was just like, I feel.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
We're talking about a dead animal here at this is
he's talking about.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
He's talking about cats that survive getting caught in a car.
That's what nobody likes to talk about. The ones that don't.
That wouldn't be a fun story.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
My cat got hit by a car.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
When I adopted her, she was like, kind of little,
I'm just okay to draw.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Hold on a second. You the cat was hit by
car before you got.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, yeah, but she had healed, so I got her
like maybe i'd tak like half a year after the accident,
but like she survived, which was badass. And yeah, I
know she had like I'll send you, guys pictures. You
can kind of knod her. You don't have to, oh yeah,
picture cat. It's a little too.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Will I will report you to the boss for that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I remember a cat in my life. Oscar was the
cat's name. Who it was a white, long haired, beautiful
cat and whatever those are. And this cat was an
awful cat. The family liked the cat, but whenever I
would go over to my girlfriend's for sleepover and we
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were like fifteen fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
The cat would pee on my head. The cat didn't like.
The cat was very territorial. Okay, it happened once, but
I remembered it, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It happened once where I was at a sleep over,
any pete adjacent to my head.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
One day the cat went nuts. The cat lost it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
The cat starts screeching, screaming. It's sounded like a baby screaming.
Cats screaming and seizure like seizures, and it's just and
this cat had claws and this cat is just season
up and freaking out and like having an outer body
cat experience. And we're like, me and my girlfriend are
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there and we're alone, and we're like I said, like fifteen,
I don't even think we had.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Our driver's license yet. And we were like what do
we do?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
We were scared of the cat, but she's hysterical because
it's her cat, and she's like sad.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And I'm standing there and going like, oh man, I'm
like you gonna die or this cat? Like to save
this cat. But here we are.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So we find a box in the garage, I think,
and find a way to get close enough to the cat.
I think we may have used like oven mits or something,
because this cat's wotting everything. It's pissed off, it's shaking,
it's screaming. It's a freaking horror with this beautiful white hair,
long haired cat. But this cat was a terror cat.
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It was Chucky the cat. But oscar so we take
the cat and throw it in a box and throw
it in the backseat of the car. And again I
don't even think we had our driver's license and drove
to the vet clinic and unfortunately that something, whatever was
going on with the demon cat was that bad.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
That they had to put the cat down. What kind
of story are you telling us?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
We were talking about I'm waiting for this to turn around.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I kept waiting for you, and then.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I calmed it.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I soothed it, I pet its head, I gave it
a little No, it never was soothed. It was an
awful story. I think it's why I've never had a
cat since. It was awful. It was an awful way
for the cat to behave to live, to go through that.
It was the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I think it was one of those things where they're like,
we could save the cat for ten thousand dollars is
kind of a thing, and there was just that that
made no sense.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
In nineteen ninety five. It's sorry to go.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I'm sorry, oh, because your cat story is so hallmarked
ended in a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, no, we don't know that. Yes, no, your cat.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You took it back to the shelter and we don't
know if it lived or died. It probably, I'm sure
it was fine. It got dead now, it was definitely
dead now, well that's all. But I'm sure it lived,
like I'm sure it got adopted by a family that
lives out on a farm. Yeah, and you know that
cat would wake up to the sun naturally and spend
time playing with pigs and four.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Mice, and it would chase the mice. Oh, except that
one it became friends with. Yeah, an unlikely friendship. Unlikely friendship.
That mouse only had three legs, but strong. That friendship
was strong as oak. And at one point the mouse
was riding the cat. Oh yeah, I love that. And
they just walked off into the sunset.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Together.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
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Speaker 3 (13:05):
Just in terms of timing, that was the year that
my mom passed away, and she had been prescribed to
a bunch.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Of different medicines and you're still taking them.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Seven point six million seniors simultaneously prescribed eight or more
medications for ninety days, eight or more. There is an
entire industry of things to help you remember to take
your pills and everything from those little the pill boxes,
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the days of the week when my dad when we
had to buy a pill caddy or whatever they call
them for my dad, it was four rows.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It's a grid for each day of the week.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Before breakfast, at breakfast, lunch before it's several times a
day each day.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, and modification tables, right, I couldn't, I could. I
don't remember what they all were.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
When my wife finally was able to sit down and
take a look at the things that were, at least
we had a description as to why they were, why
he was on specific medications, and some of them actually
were medications prescribed to counteract the side effects of the earlier.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Medications that have been prescribed.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And that's that's the situation that a lot of people
find themselves in right now, especially seniors. I said seven
point six million had eight or more medications three point
nine million had ten or more medications, and there were
about a half a million, almost a half a million
seniors prescribed fifteen plus drugs at the same time.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Well, and the concern that I would have, because I've
heard horror stories, is that some of these interact with
each other and that is not flagged in the hospital
system or what have you.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And obviously there's supposed to be the charts are supposed
to include every medication that you're on. But if you
have a general practitioner, you have your regular family doctor,
and you've got especially you've got an oncologist who's working here,
you have a cardiologist who's working there, are it's just
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going to happen.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That some of those fall through the craft.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
So there's not one database for each patient that there's
not a database that exists where all those doctors could
communicate into about that one patient.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Well, in some cases, there are some if you belong
to a specific health plan, there are When my dad,
for example, had the ability, we had the ability to
go on to his chart and keep track of everything,
and his doctors also had access to that chart electronic
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they could check whatever medications he's on or had been on.
Previously and notes from the other doctors. This medication worked great,
this one didn't work so good, this one we're good.
So in that instance, yes, there can be a lot
of information. And in other instances where you're just dealing
with I have to bring my list of medication to
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this new specialist so they know what they're on or
however it's going to work, there's going to be a
lot of confusion. And if you're talking about mom and
dad or grandma and grandpa, they're already dealing with all
kinds of stuff, whether health issues that would require multiple medications.
You're now expecting them to keep track of all of
their medications. And some of them are four times a day,
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some of them you take with foods, some of them
you don't take with foods, some of them you can't
take with the other pill. And some of them you
have to pee in your own bathroom because it's causing
radioactivity in your body. I mean, there's so much that
can go on in it that of course it's going
to fall through the cracks unless we come up with
a much more robust way to track your medications and
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flag any what do they call it, Well, how.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Do you remember all of them.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
The other thing, Yeah, you know, I've heard throes of
people's taking their mom man or whatever and just taking
all the pill bubbles and just whosh, put them in
a box and saying, this is what she's on. I
don't know what any of these are, but have at it.
And how many of those do you even think that
they're still taking at that point?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You know, it's just it's just such a how many
pills are you on right now?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Zero?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I don't take medications. I did a couple of weeks
ago when I had my cold that I was I
saw that.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I saw that. I saw it. When you're old, pill popping,
you did it right here. Yeah, I'm not afraid of it. Yeah,
I'm not afraid. Well, you're very lucky that you don't
have to take anything.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Well, that's also the reason I haven't gone to the
doctor for fear that they're going to try to put
me on medicine, and I just got to go no.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
You could say no. I also could say no. Yeah,
this is America. You are an adult. No one's gonna
tell you you have to do anything.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
But I would rather change things about what I'm doing. First,
right before I tried before I try to. For some people,
medicine is the only thing.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
But here's the thing. Like for me, my cholesterol was high.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I would have never known that if I didn't get
blood work done routinely for not having a thyroid, you know.
And that's why I made life changes to do to
write to lower that. You wouldn't know right now if
your cholesterol was high, you could be making dietary changes.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I know what it was a few years ago, Yeah,
three years ago. I mean that was the last time
I had a full blood panel done.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, that was when you were in your forties. Now
you're in the danger zone. The danger zone. I just
made that up, paid for by the American Medical Association.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
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Speaker 3 (18:48):
Well, tell me more about this sleep. You said that
it's not dark enough in some places.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Researchers are increasingly realizing that light has a dark side.
In twenty nineteen, one group of researchers found an association
between obesity in women and any level of light exposure
while sleeping. Now, a couple things. Let's just park the
car and just think about what's going on. I am
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a firm believer in these studies being complete crap, because
there are a number of other things going on in
people's lives, maybe in tandem with a level of light exposure,
that probably have more to do with obesity than a
level of light exposure. Okay, you can't do a direct correlation,
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and maybe they did, but it's hard to believe there's
a direct correlation simply between women being obese.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
And light exposure. There's probably a lot of things in
the middle there that have to do with what is
going on.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, right.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Okay, the other team reported that light at night was
linked to high blood pressure, obesity, and diabetes in older adults.
Now here's the new study. This is one just published
last month or the month before a study published researchers say,
draws light on light exposure data from fitness monitors whared
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by people. Ninety thousand people were in this study, taking
readings every minute. It revealed that low ambient light during
the night was linked to a higher risk of heart
failure over about ten years. So the point is there's
a growing body of work suggesting that good health requires
a dark night.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
It makes perfect sense because when we one hundred years ago,
there were not a lot of lights going on at
night or staying on at night.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
If you were lucky enough to have lights.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
One hundred years ago, that's not that long ago. We
had light, We had electricity. One hundred and fifty years ago.
We didn't have a lot of light.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
If you just had candles, well, the thing is, but
we didn't have lights in every you know, twelve candlelights
in every room or anything like that, and the idea
that you would then keep them on didn't make a
lot of sense. So it's it's well that candle out, Grandma.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
It's not just merely that people are sleeping poorly and
suffering from health effects of sleep deprivation.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
The psychut or the researchers.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Say, even after adjusting for how much sleep people are getting,
the light exposure was still a strong independent predictor of
various heart diseases, higher risk of atrial fibrillation, and stroke.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well, listen, I got a note from my aur a
ring last night.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
It suggested that I had more what did it say,
deep sleep than I'd had in a long time, and
that I took for some reason. I had almost two
hours of deep sleep last night, which is weird because
I usually don't get more than about thirty minutes. But
it's said that the deep sleep portion of your sleeping
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actually helps clear out toxins in your body.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yes, for some whatever, it goes on and it starts
at about eleven PM.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, yeah, and if you do it right, I mean yeah,
if you go to bed on a regular time and
you get it that it does that. So if you're
not ever achieving that deep sleep or you're not staying
in that state long enough, it's not clearing out the toxins.
That could mean your cardo cardio metabolic health suffers.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
When you're a light sleeper like that and when you're
and that's really the thing, okay, like if there's a
light on, let's just use our common sense. If there's
a light on, you're going to be more likely to
wake up to that light subconsciously or otherwise during the night.
It's going to tell you it's time to wake up,
because that's what light, going back to your theory of
back when we didn't have electricity, that's what it does.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
It wakes you up.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
They found that if you're a light sleeper and you're
not reaching that state, of deep sleep that your aura
ring told you were in. Your pancreas has a harder
time at clearing out all of all of the toxins,
making the insulin, has to work harder to make the
insulin to keep the blood sugar in check. So you're
like in a heightened state. Your nervous system is ready
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for action. All of those things add up to negative
health consequences. When you're effing with your your pancreas and
with your nervous system and with your sleep, you're gonna
have problems.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Period.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It's your bedroom dead black, completely blacked out.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean yeah, I mean it's it's dark. There's I
think there's like a night light on in the corner.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Uh, but that's it. It's pretty, it's dark. It's it's dark.
And it's also very cold. Here's the thing. My husband
likes a cold, and.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
You're supposed it's supposed to be cold when you sleep
for better sleep, for all of these reasons.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
So when I was in Kansas City and I was thinking,
I do this.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I do this pretty much every hotel I go to
in season because my husband's not there, so I'll crank
the thermostat up to seventy degrees.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
As soon as I get into the room, that's profound heat.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Well, he would think, so really, Well, if we're sleeping
with it seventy degrees, yes, I don't think he would
enjoy that.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
That would not be something that he would enjoy.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I like to But when we went to Kansas City,
because it's four degrees when we're checking in or whatever,
I get into the room, I put it at seventy
three degrees. And I went to bed on Friday night
with the thermostat at seventy three degrees. And my god,
my mom used to say this to my grandmother, like,
your grandmother drugs you, because she would give me an
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electric blanket for my nap and she'd crank the heater
up because that's what makes you go to sleep and
also keeps you asleep. And I legitimately felt drugged. When
I woke up Saturday morning, I was like, what happened?
I woke up late? Like, I'm just like, what's going
on the bed is a skew. I'm just I'm sweating.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I'm like, what happened?
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It's because it's seventy three degrees in that room, and
I get it now. I don't think it slept very well.
I don't think I slept very well. I mean I
slept like a you know, I sweated.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
In all the thing.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Not that I need to share that story. That's lovely,
but profound. Seventy three degrees, that's what happens. You know,
you're fully clothed in bed.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Geez, you were already trying out your heat vest. Yeah,
oh my gosh. I was like preheating myself for the cold.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
But the next night I cranked that thing down to
sixty seven. I was like, yeah, and I slept so
much better. Yeah. I thought that I wanted to sleep
with it seventy three degrees, but I did not.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I have the last several well, last probably two weeks
since we got back from from Texas for Thanksgiving, we've
slept with the windows open in our bedroom.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I love it. It's it feels great. It's just it's
counterintuitive for me to like, like sleeping in the cold cold.
Your husband's a smart man. He is very smart except
for one category. Oh okay, that's me. You've been listening
to the Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (26:16):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Like the Secret Mormon Clothes? Is that what you're telling
the underpants now?
Speaker 3 (00:13):
Catherine Hartman is a professor at the University of Wyoming,
and she was figuring out what to do when it
came to finals this month, and her students encountered a
testing method, according to The Washington Post, as old as
the ancient philosophers whose ideas they were studying. She didn't
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do written exams. She did oral exams as their final. Now,
you I didn't think about this when I was reading
through this article in the first place. But if you
look back to your college days, depending on what kind
of studies you did, kinds of classes that you took,
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oral exams were probably not.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Entirely unknown. When we were in college, I took like
a theater claque one.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I took one theater class and it wasn't It wasn't obviously,
it wasn't a written exam.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
It was a final scene that you had to be remember.
Speaker 1 (01:10):
Ever having an oral exam in the history of my education,
I'm right to cite a poem at one point that's.
Speaker 2 (01:18):
I mean, that would kind of count.
Speaker 3 (01:19):
But in terms of testing your knowledge about specific things
that would be really nerve wracked, that would be awful.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
Are you kidding?
Speaker 1 (01:29):
Like that was before that would have provided me with
the what the kids now call anxiety.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
You didn't have a word for it back then.
Speaker 1 (01:35):
But could you imagine getting up in front of the
class and being on the spot and you had to
talk about what you know?
Speaker 3 (01:40):
Oh, even if it's not in front of the class,
even if it's just you and the professor, and she's
banging out a list of questions, and you're like, I.
Speaker 1 (01:46):
Mean, I had a hard enough time at confession D Yeah,
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
She said that she tells her students that this all
is an attempt to push back against AI, to take
AI out of the equation. When you're trying to prove
to your professor what knowledge you've gained over the course
of the semester, or year, whatever it is, she says
to her students, using AI is like bringing a forklift
(02:13):
to the gym when you're supposed to be working out
your own muscles. And so far, she said, most of
the students have embraced this is a little overkell, but okay,
I have embraced the training regimen. One twenty year old
is a double major Spanish and History. Took her final
exam last week and admits to being pretty freaked out
(02:36):
by the idea of the oral exam, but now she
wishes she had more of them. She says, with this exam,
I don't know how you could use AI. Frankly. In
a recent survey of college students, eighty five percent said
they had used AI in their courses.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
The other fifteen percent lied through their teeth.
Speaker 3 (02:54):
They said they were using it in terms of brainstorming ideas,
maybe even preparing for quizzes. A quarter of them admitted
that they had used AI to complete assignments, and about
thirty percent said colleges should design more AI proof methods
of assessment and that oral exams may would be something
that they would that the students would be in favor
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of and to test their knowledge, as opposed to, you know,
write a twelve page term paper on the I don't
know the oil impact on the something of the trees.
Speaker 2 (03:28):
I love that you were just trying to come up
with something that would be and I couldn't come anywhere close.
Speaker 1 (03:34):
You could have said anything like earlier in the week
I brought up the War of eighteen.
Speaker 2 (03:37):
Twelve, I would have been perfect. I guess right. Hey,
did you hear I heard on the radio this morning
a story radio station where you're listening to a radio station,
go on.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
There was a story about a guy who's suing a
hospital because he went in for a medical procedure for
some reason, was able to have his phone on him
and recorded the surgeons talking while he was under and
they were saying rude things about him or her. I
think it's a trans person and I think a woman.
I think it's a trans transition.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Was it?
Speaker 2 (04:13):
I just use your wife's trick.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Oh, it was a trans woman and she was recording
the whole thing and the things that the people were saying,
and it was not trans related like that is so
an ancillary part of the It has nothing to do
with it. But except there is a penis involved. But
the fact that she's suing, you know, because because they
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said things about you know her, is ridiculous or is
it sent for half a million dollars? And I think
the jury awarded it to her?
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Here is the kicker.
Speaker 1 (04:50):
This is what they said, they said she was really
annoying and that they wanted the doctor. The surgeon said
she was so annoying I wanted to punch her in
the face. And then said somebody else said her penis
looks like it has ebola. Well that's hilarious. Like that
is the most ridiculous insult. It's not even timely, but
it made me laugh out loud.
Speaker 2 (05:11):
It's like, look at.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
This, like in a Bola penis, Like that's fun I
don't know what it means.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
It's not timely.
Speaker 1 (05:17):
Nobody's mentioned ebola in a series of years, but it's funny.
That is weird, right, Not a good rule, but a
half a million dollars? Would you have your penis name
called for half a million? I'd say yes, you would.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
I think I would. I'd even go and you do
it for twenty bucks.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
Any sort of hemorrhagic disease, fine by me, rip away,
I don't care.
Speaker 4 (05:41):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (05:48):
A Great horned Owl. Before we get into the story,
did the owl live?
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Yes? Okay? Good?
Speaker 1 (05:52):
Because I didn't want like a three I didn't want
a triple crown of sad stories. A Southern California driver
made a startling discovery yesterday morning when they found an
owl stuck in the grill of their toyota.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
This was a great horned owl in Santa Barbara.
Speaker 3 (06:12):
Now, there are some grills on vehicles, trucks, cars, whatever,
where I could see a bird getting stuck. This does
not look like the openings in the grill are large
enough for it to get stuck.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
Well, the sheer force of the bird probably cut through
the plastic grating that is.
Speaker 2 (06:34):
On the front of this toyota. Okay, you know what
I mean. Oh, broke off parts of it. Yeah, okay,
all right.
Speaker 1 (06:41):
At least four firefighters from San Bernadine, San Barbara County
called the fire department help with the birds.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Rescue and Scott's safe.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
Chuck great name is a PIO of the county Fire
Department in Santa Barbara, and he said, this is the
first time we had an owl entangled in a vehicle.
Usually he says it's a cat.
Speaker 3 (07:04):
Or sometimes we have cattle that get onto the highway
and somehow get the laughter.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
I shouldn't what I'm not now. Richie's upset. Thank god,
Amy's gone well.
Speaker 3 (07:16):
Listen. This is why I'm laughing. Think of the expression. Okay,
we have a picture of the owl right as this
firefighter is. He's got leather gloves on. He's trying to
help extract the owl from the grill of this car.
That looks pissed. That's what I was gonna say. You
know what an owl looks like, and you know what
an owl's capable of. Constantly has that intense look on
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his face. A cat, if it were in that same position,
might not have an angry look on its face.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
You don't think a cat would have an angry look.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
Well I could, but definitely not as piercing as the
owl to have that giant like eyeballs, huge ears, pinn weak.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
You don't really know cats expressions that well because you
had one for a week and then gave it back
to a shelter.
Speaker 2 (08:07):
Four years horrible.
Speaker 1 (08:11):
This little owl face, to me, reminds me of a
cat face because it looks pissed, and cats look pissed
all the time. Richie, what would you do if your
cat got stuck in a car?
Speaker 2 (08:24):
I would literally die, I know you would. Elmer not
fun to laugh at that, That's not no, No, I'm
just saying I would die too.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
But it was.
Speaker 5 (08:34):
Funny, how like, you know, right to the point he went,
and I was just like, I feel.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
We're talking about a dead animal here at this is
he's talking about.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
He's talking about cats that survive getting caught in a car.
That's what nobody likes to talk about. The ones that don't.
That wouldn't be a fun story.
Speaker 2 (08:55):
My cat got hit by a car.
Speaker 5 (08:57):
When I adopted her, she was like, kind of little,
I'm just okay to draw.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
Hold on a second. You the cat was hit by
car before you got.
Speaker 5 (09:05):
Yeah, yeah, but she had healed, so I got her
like maybe i'd tak like half a year after the accident,
but like she survived, which was badass. And yeah, I
know she had like I'll send you, guys pictures. You
can kind of knod her. You don't have to, oh yeah,
picture cat. It's a little too.
Speaker 2 (09:24):
Will I will report you to the boss for that.
Speaker 1 (09:26):
I remember a cat in my life. Oscar was the
cat's name. Who it was a white, long haired, beautiful
cat and whatever those are. And this cat was an
awful cat. The family liked the cat, but whenever I
would go over to my girlfriend's for sleepover and we
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were like fifteen fourteen fifteen.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
The cat would pee on my head. The cat didn't like.
The cat was very territorial. Okay, it happened once, but
I remembered it, you know.
Speaker 1 (09:58):
It happened once where I was at a sleep over,
any pete adjacent to my head.
Speaker 2 (10:03):
One day the cat went nuts. The cat lost it.
Speaker 1 (10:06):
The cat starts screeching, screaming. It's sounded like a baby screaming.
Cats screaming and seizure like seizures, and it's just and
this cat had claws and this cat is just season
up and freaking out and like having an outer body
cat experience. And we're like, me and my girlfriend are
(10:26):
there and we're alone, and we're like I said, like fifteen,
I don't even think we had.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
Our driver's license yet. And we were like what do
we do?
Speaker 1 (10:32):
We were scared of the cat, but she's hysterical because
it's her cat, and she's like sad.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
And I'm standing there and going like, oh man, I'm
like you gonna die or this cat? Like to save
this cat. But here we are.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
So we find a box in the garage, I think,
and find a way to get close enough to the cat.
I think we may have used like oven mits or something,
because this cat's wotting everything. It's pissed off, it's shaking,
it's screaming. It's a freaking horror with this beautiful white hair,
long haired cat. But this cat was a terror cat.
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It was Chucky the cat. But oscar so we take
the cat and throw it in a box and throw
it in the backseat of the car. And again I
don't even think we had our driver's license and drove
to the vet clinic and unfortunately that something, whatever was
going on with the demon cat was that bad.
Speaker 2 (11:21):
That they had to put the cat down. What kind
of story are you telling us?
Speaker 4 (11:27):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
We were talking about I'm waiting for this to turn around.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
I kept waiting for you, and then.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
I calmed it.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I soothed it, I pet its head, I gave it
a little No, it never was soothed. It was an
awful story. I think it's why I've never had a
cat since. It was awful. It was an awful way
for the cat to behave to live, to go through that.
It was the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
Huh.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
I think it was one of those things where they're like,
we could save the cat for ten thousand dollars is
kind of a thing, and there was just that that
made no sense.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
In nineteen ninety five. It's sorry to go.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
I'm sorry, oh, because your cat story is so hallmarked
ended in a beautiful thing.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
Yeah, no, we don't know that. Yes, no, your cat.
Speaker 1 (12:19):
You took it back to the shelter and we don't
know if it lived or died. It probably, I'm sure
it was fine. It got dead now, it was definitely
dead now, well that's all. But I'm sure it lived,
like I'm sure it got adopted by a family that
lives out on a farm. Yeah, and you know that
cat would wake up to the sun naturally and spend
time playing with pigs and four.
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Mice, and it would chase the mice. Oh, except that
one it became friends with. Yeah, an unlikely friendship. Unlikely friendship.
That mouse only had three legs, but strong. That friendship
was strong as oak. And at one point the mouse
was riding the cat. Oh yeah, I love that. And
they just walked off into the sunset.
Speaker 5 (12:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (12:55):
Together.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand KFI AM sixty.
Speaker 3 (13:05):
Just in terms of timing, that was the year that
my mom passed away, and she had been prescribed to
a bunch.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Of different medicines and you're still taking them.
Speaker 3 (13:12):
Seven point six million seniors simultaneously prescribed eight or more
medications for ninety days, eight or more. There is an
entire industry of things to help you remember to take
your pills and everything from those little the pill boxes,
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the days of the week when my dad when we
had to buy a pill caddy or whatever they call
them for my dad, it was four rows.
Speaker 2 (13:47):
It's a grid for each day of the week.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Before breakfast, at breakfast, lunch before it's several times a
day each day.
Speaker 2 (13:55):
Yeah, and modification tables, right, I couldn't, I could. I
don't remember what they all were.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
When my wife finally was able to sit down and
take a look at the things that were, at least
we had a description as to why they were, why
he was on specific medications, and some of them actually
were medications prescribed to counteract the side effects of the earlier.
Speaker 2 (14:19):
Medications that have been prescribed.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
And that's that's the situation that a lot of people
find themselves in right now, especially seniors. I said seven
point six million had eight or more medications three point
nine million had ten or more medications, and there were
about a half a million, almost a half a million
seniors prescribed fifteen plus drugs at the same time.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Well, and the concern that I would have, because I've
heard horror stories, is that some of these interact with
each other and that is not flagged in the hospital
system or what have you.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
And obviously there's supposed to be the charts are supposed
to include every medication that you're on. But if you
have a general practitioner, you have your regular family doctor,
and you've got especially you've got an oncologist who's working here,
you have a cardiologist who's working there, are it's just
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going to happen.
Speaker 2 (15:22):
That some of those fall through the craft.
Speaker 1 (15:23):
So there's not one database for each patient that there's
not a database that exists where all those doctors could
communicate into about that one patient.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Well, in some cases, there are some if you belong
to a specific health plan, there are When my dad,
for example, had the ability, we had the ability to
go on to his chart and keep track of everything,
and his doctors also had access to that chart electronic
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they could check whatever medications he's on or had been on.
Previously and notes from the other doctors. This medication worked great,
this one didn't work so good, this one we're good.
So in that instance, yes, there can be a lot
of information. And in other instances where you're just dealing
with I have to bring my list of medication to
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this new specialist so they know what they're on or
however it's going to work, there's going to be a
lot of confusion. And if you're talking about mom and
dad or grandma and grandpa, they're already dealing with all
kinds of stuff, whether health issues that would require multiple medications.
You're now expecting them to keep track of all of
their medications. And some of them are four times a day,
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some of them you take with foods, some of them
you don't take with foods, some of them you can't
take with the other pill. And some of them you
have to pee in your own bathroom because it's causing
radioactivity in your body. I mean, there's so much that
can go on in it that of course it's going
to fall through the cracks unless we come up with
a much more robust way to track your medications and
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flag any what do they call it, Well, how.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
Do you remember all of them.
Speaker 1 (17:04):
The other thing, Yeah, you know, I've heard throes of
people's taking their mom man or whatever and just taking
all the pill bubbles and just whosh, put them in
a box and saying, this is what she's on. I
don't know what any of these are, but have at it.
And how many of those do you even think that
they're still taking at that point?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
You know, it's just it's just such a how many
pills are you on right now?
Speaker 4 (17:25):
Zero?
Speaker 3 (17:26):
I don't take medications. I did a couple of weeks
ago when I had my cold that I was I
saw that.
Speaker 2 (17:31):
I saw that. I saw it. When you're old, pill popping,
you did it right here. Yeah, I'm not afraid of it. Yeah,
I'm not afraid. Well, you're very lucky that you don't
have to take anything.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Well, that's also the reason I haven't gone to the
doctor for fear that they're going to try to put
me on medicine, and I just got to go no.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
You could say no. I also could say no. Yeah,
this is America. You are an adult. No one's gonna
tell you you have to do anything.
Speaker 3 (17:54):
But I would rather change things about what I'm doing. First,
right before I tried before I try to. For some people,
medicine is the only thing.
Speaker 2 (18:04):
But here's the thing. Like for me, my cholesterol was high.
Speaker 1 (18:07):
I would have never known that if I didn't get
blood work done routinely for not having a thyroid, you know.
And that's why I made life changes to do to
write to lower that. You wouldn't know right now if
your cholesterol was high, you could be making dietary changes.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
I know what it was a few years ago, Yeah,
three years ago. I mean that was the last time
I had a full blood panel done.
Speaker 2 (18:27):
Well, that was when you were in your forties. Now
you're in the danger zone. The danger zone. I just
made that up, paid for by the American Medical Association.
Speaker 4 (18:40):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
Well, tell me more about this sleep. You said that
it's not dark enough in some places.
Speaker 1 (18:55):
Researchers are increasingly realizing that light has a dark side.
In twenty nineteen, one group of researchers found an association
between obesity in women and any level of light exposure
while sleeping. Now, a couple things. Let's just park the
car and just think about what's going on. I am
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a firm believer in these studies being complete crap, because
there are a number of other things going on in
people's lives, maybe in tandem with a level of light exposure,
that probably have more to do with obesity than a
level of light exposure. Okay, you can't do a direct correlation,
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and maybe they did, but it's hard to believe there's
a direct correlation simply between women being obese.
Speaker 2 (19:48):
And light exposure. There's probably a lot of things in
the middle there that have to do with what is
going on.
Speaker 3 (19:55):
Correlation doesn't necessarily mean causation, right.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Okay, the other team reported that light at night was
linked to high blood pressure, obesity, and diabetes in older adults.
Now here's the new study. This is one just published
last month or the month before a study published researchers say,
draws light on light exposure data from fitness monitors whared
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by people. Ninety thousand people were in this study, taking
readings every minute. It revealed that low ambient light during
the night was linked to a higher risk of heart
failure over about ten years. So the point is there's
a growing body of work suggesting that good health requires
a dark night.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
It makes perfect sense because when we one hundred years ago,
there were not a lot of lights going on at
night or staying on at night.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
If you were lucky enough to have lights.
Speaker 1 (20:52):
One hundred years ago, that's not that long ago. We
had light, We had electricity. One hundred and fifty years ago.
We didn't have a lot of light.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
If you just had candles, well, the thing is, but
we didn't have lights in every you know, twelve candlelights
in every room or anything like that, and the idea
that you would then keep them on didn't make a
lot of sense. So it's it's well that candle out, Grandma.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
It's not just merely that people are sleeping poorly and
suffering from health effects of sleep deprivation.
Speaker 2 (21:27):
The psychut or the researchers.
Speaker 1 (21:29):
Say, even after adjusting for how much sleep people are getting,
the light exposure was still a strong independent predictor of
various heart diseases, higher risk of atrial fibrillation, and stroke.
Speaker 2 (21:43):
Well, listen, I got a note from my aur a
ring last night.
Speaker 3 (21:49):
It suggested that I had more what did it say,
deep sleep than I'd had in a long time, and
that I took for some reason. I had almost two
hours of deep sleep last night, which is weird because
I usually don't get more than about thirty minutes. But
it's said that the deep sleep portion of your sleeping
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actually helps clear out toxins in your body.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yes, for some whatever, it goes on and it starts
at about eleven PM.
Speaker 3 (22:18):
Yeah, yeah, and if you do it right, I mean yeah,
if you go to bed on a regular time and
you get it that it does that. So if you're
not ever achieving that deep sleep or you're not staying
in that state long enough, it's not clearing out the toxins.
That could mean your cardo cardio metabolic health suffers.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
When you're a light sleeper like that and when you're
and that's really the thing, okay, like if there's a
light on, let's just use our common sense. If there's
a light on, you're going to be more likely to
wake up to that light subconsciously or otherwise during the night.
It's going to tell you it's time to wake up,
because that's what light, going back to your theory of
back when we didn't have electricity, that's what it does.
Speaker 2 (22:57):
It wakes you up.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
They found that if you're a light sleeper and you're
not reaching that state, of deep sleep that your aura
ring told you were in. Your pancreas has a harder
time at clearing out all of all of the toxins,
making the insulin, has to work harder to make the
insulin to keep the blood sugar in check. So you're
like in a heightened state. Your nervous system is ready
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for action. All of those things add up to negative
health consequences. When you're effing with your your pancreas and
with your nervous system and with your sleep, you're gonna
have problems.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Period.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
It's your bedroom dead black, completely blacked out.
Speaker 1 (23:37):
I mean yeah, I mean it's it's dark. There's I
think there's like a night light on in the corner.
Speaker 2 (23:43):
Uh, but that's it. It's pretty, it's dark. It's it's dark.
And it's also very cold. Here's the thing. My husband
likes a cold, and.
Speaker 4 (23:52):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
It makes sense.
Speaker 1 (23:53):
You're supposed it's supposed to be cold when you sleep
for better sleep, for all of these reasons.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
So when I was in Kansas City and I was thinking,
I do this.
Speaker 1 (24:02):
I do this pretty much every hotel I go to
in season because my husband's not there, so I'll crank
the thermostat up to seventy degrees.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
As soon as I get into the room, that's profound heat.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
Well, he would think, so really, Well, if we're sleeping
with it seventy degrees, yes, I don't think he would
enjoy that.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
That would not be something that he would enjoy.
Speaker 1 (24:27):
I like to But when we went to Kansas City,
because it's four degrees when we're checking in or whatever,
I get into the room, I put it at seventy
three degrees. And I went to bed on Friday night
with the thermostat at seventy three degrees. And my god,
my mom used to say this to my grandmother, like,
your grandmother drugs you, because she would give me an
(24:49):
electric blanket for my nap and she'd crank the heater
up because that's what makes you go to sleep and
also keeps you asleep. And I legitimately felt drugged. When
I woke up Saturday morning, I was like, what happened?
I woke up late? Like, I'm just like, what's going
on the bed is a skew. I'm just I'm sweating.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
I'm like, what happened?
Speaker 1 (25:13):
It's because it's seventy three degrees in that room, and
I get it now. I don't think it slept very well.
I don't think I slept very well. I mean I
slept like a you know, I sweated.
Speaker 2 (25:23):
In all the thing.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
Not that I need to share that story. That's lovely,
but profound. Seventy three degrees, that's what happens. You know,
you're fully clothed in bed.
Speaker 2 (25:32):
Geez, you were already trying out your heat vest. Yeah,
oh my gosh. I was like preheating myself for the cold.
Speaker 1 (25:40):
But the next night I cranked that thing down to
sixty seven. I was like, yeah, and I slept so
much better. Yeah. I thought that I wanted to sleep
with it seventy three degrees, but I did not.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
I have the last several well, last probably two weeks
since we got back from from Texas for Thanksgiving, we've
slept with the windows open in our bedroom.
Speaker 1 (25:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
I love it. It's it feels great. It's just it's
counterintuitive for me to like, like sleeping in the cold cold.
Your husband's a smart man. He is very smart except
for one category. Oh okay, that's me. You've been listening
to the Gary and Shannon Show.
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