December 25, 2025 • 29 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Last spring, a professor at the Wharton School at the
University of Pennsylvania gave a group of about two hundred
and fifty people a very simple writing assessment assignment, Sorry,
share advice with a friend on how to lead a
healthier lifestyle and to come up with tips. Some of
them were allowed to use a traditional Google search.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
This wasn't supposed to, like you, This wasn't something you're
supposed to give one of your friends, right, because that
would go overwell, my friend's like, hey, Shan, here's what
you could do to be healthier. I'd punch her in
the face. I mean, it's a little condescending.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, I assume the prompt was something like, a friend
comes to you and asks for advice on how to
be healthy, very healthier. Others could so some people could
use a traditional Google search, others had to rely on
the summaries of information generated with Google AI. People who
use the AI generated summaries wrote advice that was generic.
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It was obviously, it was obvious and largely unhelpful.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Like eat healthy, drink water, sleep a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
If people have found the information on a regular Google search,
shared more nuanced advice about the pillars of wellness, physical, mental,
emotional health, etc.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's funny because everyone knows the common sense things to do,
so it would be hard to not seem like you
were getting it from AI if the topic was as
simple as how to be healthier obviously, if you'd write
move more, drink right.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
But one of the things I think that AI is
doing and doing well is, especially if you are a
regular user of something like chat shept or grock, it
remembers what you asked before, and if you said something
like you had asked something about the combination of drugs
that your mother is on, what kind of contraindication you
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needed to watch out for, that will remember that you
have a mother and that she's on certain medications. So
it would then tailor an answer to you and to
your mother specifically.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So that's one way that brain rot is happening. Short
form videos, which are extremely dominant on social media right now,
are reshaping our brain from TikTok to Instagram, rails, YouTube shorts.
This is a cornerstone of every online platform, but the
scientists are finding associations increasingly so between heavy consumption of
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short form video and challenges with focus and self control.
It's early, it's early research, but they say it is
very much so. Adding to our brain rot is.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
This has got to be an offshoot of the same
argument that our parents had in nineteen eighty one when
MTV came along, totally because of the quick edits and
the you know, the noises and the people and the
all of the bikinis.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
And the review which was published in No It's funny.
I was just having a conversation on the sideline with
somebody about a particular video. He's your age, a year
younger than you are, and we're going through videos that
were formative in his in his Yes, and it was
funny how you can just pick out the ones. It's
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so easy to pick.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Out, like Girls, Girls Girls by Motley Cuan.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yes, that was one of them. But anyway, the review
that was published in the Psychological Bulletin shows that there
are links between heavy consumption of these short form videos,
not girls girls, girls, but the little you know short
the shorts that you watch, and increased symptoms of depression, anxiety, stress,
and loneliness. So pretty much all the things you get
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from your doom scrolling, from your scrolling on social media,
and you subconsciously comparing and contrasting that's doing to your
brain what the short videos do as well. And I
think it's a matter of anxiety in your brain of
what's next. Yes, Okay, something's gonna hit me quickly. That's next.
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What's next, What's next, what's next? Because you're constantly stimulating
your brain, your brain's anxious thinking about, okay, what's next,
as opposed to if you sat down and read a
book for an hour and a half every day and
your brain can chill the f out and it doesn't
think it's going to be bombarded with stimuli in the
next seven seconds.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I came up with an image, and tell me if
you think this is right. If you're riding a mountain
bike and you're on a trail, just a long trail,
and it's it's winding and stuff, but it's a continuous trail,
as opposed to since you just went hiking in Utah,
as opposed to having fifty feet of a trail, and
then you have to jump and you're falling and falling
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until you hit the next mesa or something like that,
and then you're on that mesa for forty or fifty feet.
Then you have to jump again and you're falling and
falling and falling in weight. Oh, and then there's another
mesa that comes up and you can hit that and
ride that for a while. But you're constantly, like you said, constant,
your brain is constantly looking for what the next thing
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is going.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Your brain is playing Super Mario Brothers better version.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yes, that's a better one.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That's exactly what you just described. Now you know you're running,
your running, your jump and your jump. What's next, What's next?
What's next? Your brain? How can it relax?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And with each jump though you don't know where the
next platform.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Is exactly right, good analogy.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So the platforms are hidden and you hope you hit
one right.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That's why your brain needs time to calm the f down.
Just let it lie.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
James Jackson is a neuropsychologist at Vanderbilt. So there's a
long history of people crusading against new technologies, cultural phenomena. That's,
like I said, in my formative years, it was my
parents railing, not specifically my parents, our parents railing against
MTV and what kind of brain wrought that was going
to cause Before them, their parents were railing against rock
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roll and Elvis and the Beatles, and they were going
to cause people to go crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
They want and they were rightly so they want what
you're putting in your brain to have some sort of value, right,
But here's an MTV. In their eyes, it did not
provide that, just like these short videos on YouTube do
not provide any real value to your brain. You're not
learning anything, you're not growing from them. But is there
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just is there somewhere their processed foods. That's why they
call brain rot?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, is there somewhere down the road a positive that
we don't yet see? No, Because like we did this,
I feel like it's very quick, I know. But we
did the story a few weeks ago where we talked
about the concern in the teens, twenties and thirties of
the twentieth century was new technology was going to make
us all dumb. Radio TV was going to make us
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all dumb, when in fact, our IQ on average went
up like three points every decade and we were able
to get smarter and smarter because the information was so
much more available to so many more people. I wonder
if there is some benefit to this in the future
of I mean, I hate the idea, and trust me,
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I don't like. I don't like the idea that our
brains are now conditioned to seven seconds and shut off
and find something else. But maybe there is a positive
aspect to it one hundred years from now that we go, Oh,
it's a good thing we had Vine's Instagram reels.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I would offer this stick to listening to this show
because we are human, we are not AI, and we're
here for four hours. We're a way of feeding your brain.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
That is it.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That is the greatest sales pitch for this show I
think I've ever heard. That's quite the elevator log one.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Pretty good about it, but pretty good about it.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 2 (07:51):
Saying goodbye can be very tough. That's why we've decided
to do it here. What well, I'm just what I
mean is to fire me before the holidays. I rot
to talk about when people say.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Goodbye, I would have at least done my hair.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Time magazine have a name for ending an interaction, the
leave taking behavior.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
How would you describe your leave taking behavior. I just leave.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I don't say goodbye to anyone usually ever, I just go.
I've noticed, because if you're gonna say goodbye, you got
to do all the goodbyes. It gets a little laborious. Yeah, repetitive,
too much. And do people really care that you're leaving?
Probably not?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yes, people care that you're leaving.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
When have you noticed me doing this?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Okay, I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I know I've picked up some physical cues about when
you're ready to go. Okay, some of them are super obvious,
and listen. Most of the context I would say has
been business. It's been company related as opposed to just
a social event. But the company related things, you make
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no bones about it.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You didn't want to be there in the first place.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
What like what like a meeting?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
That's exactly what I mean different.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Nobody wants to be in a meeting.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
We did an event one time at Delilah. Do you
remember that.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I remember the event. I don't remember the leaving.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well, it was you tried to go out the side
door that they didn't let you go out. Oh remember that.
You're like, oh, I'll just go back to ou through
the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's not ideal. I'll cook in that kitchen. I recently
left an event where I left you and I went
out a side door. Yeah, because I saw you going
out the main way and there were a lot of
obstacles I e people to say goodbye to, and I
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saw your path and I thought, that's not my path,
that is not the path for me. So I did
go out the side door in that situation.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
So something could have happened to me and you would
not have it. And I've been able to help.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Does it make it better that I did feel bad
about not joining you on the path? No? Oh, well,
how do you say goodbye? What should I do?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
The most important thing, according to Amy Arius, a senior
lecturer of Communication studies, that you and University of bat Arena,
don't over explain, don't use a bunch of overqualifiers, don't hedge,
don't say.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It looks like it's about time to go and probably
should be getting going. The dog's probably looking for dinner
right about now. Nobody cares.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Gotta let the dogs out. I hear that all the
time from I got to take the dogs out, Gotta
take the dogs for a walk, got to do the
dog I get it. It's like you can't use your
kids for that. And also we've aged out of having
young kids at home. But like it used to be kids, Oh,
we got to get home the sitter, or we got
to get home for the citter. We got to get home.
And now it's dogs and it's like, got to take
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the dog's frog. It's like, okay, I get it, you're leaving.
I don't care. You got to take the dog for
a walk.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Just go.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Don't over explain. Everybody knows. There's a limit.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Everybody knows, especially like if you're if you're hosting friends
of for uh or during the week. Yeah, and everybody's
got to go to work the next day. You know,
there's a time it gets past eight o'clock. You could
go at any time.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Now, if the conversation is flowing and you don't have
a problem, you're not yawning or something like that, stay
as long as you want. That's but but if somebody
decides after.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
A certain time that they're going to pick up and go,
you don't have to ask why, right, it's obvious why,
So don't over explain. That's the first part. The second
part express gratitude. Thank you so much for having me. Okay,
that's a little wordy oh.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I usually say that, I'll say that, I'll say thank
you so much for having me, but and I mean it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
They said, this usually means a couple of words amazing, party,
that's a lie. Amazing is so overused?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
How to blast of? Blast overused?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Such fun?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
But something like that, that is an expression of gratitude.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
This was great.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
How about just saying something that's honest? This was great,
This was super cool. I loved this. I'm leaving like anything. Again,
I don't have to can even if to can it,
you have to put it in the can.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
So they said that again, amy Arius. Again, this communications
professor says, as you're saying goodbye, keep it short and sweet.
Two words for each, two words to announce that you're leaving,
not why, just that you're and then two words to
express gratitude.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Do you understand what we're talking about right now? We
are so socially altered that we don't even know how
to say bye goodbye. We need a freaking owner's manual
with canned responses for good night. Everybody like, what the
hell is wrong with us? What did COVID break in
our brains? Where we cannot handle a simple hello or goodbye,
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Like we can't figure out how to say hello in
the elevator on our way up here, and we can't
leave a party without just saying thank you goodbye.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
It's as simple as that, perfect for words right there.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
They have to write articles about how to say goodbye.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Now, she says, keep your nonverbal behavior in mind as well,
like smile obviously because you're happy for us. Nod your head,
you're nont Now that we're talking about behaviors, I'd like
to get into your nonverbal behaviors. My favorite is though,
she says, maybe put your hands in the air to
indicate there's.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Nothing you can do slipping out lovely gavity.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
That's silly if you saw' that's like Brian Barry. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Look a the time.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
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AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well, we are honored to have LAPD Chief Jim McDonald
here to join us today. I don't know how you
did it. Chief. You have had a busy week. You see.
We've got TVs all over this room and you've been
all over them. Monday, you were there for the press
conference with the FBI with that terror plot that was thwarted.
It looks like four jackasses, for lack of a better word,
we're going to or try to bomb several locations on
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New Year's Eve in Los Angeles. FBI and LAPD sheriffs
thwarted that. And then yesterday you're with the DA who's
announcing first degree murder charges with special circumstances against Nick Reiner.
We thank you for taking the time out of obviously
a very busy week to join us. And another hope,
high profile case that your department has been working very
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hard on is, of course, the Celeste Reevas murder that
was found dead in the Tesla back in I want
to say, early fall September or something like that. And
so you have a lot on your plate going on.
How does that work? By the way, you know, when
you get you get a call in the middle of
the night. We got to have you here tomorrow. We
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got to this is going on. Does your phone ever
stop ringing? Do you keep it on silent? How does
the batphone work in your home?
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Keep it next to me and on the nightstand, but
I never keep it on silent. It can it can
go off anytime, and it seems the big things usually
happen in the middle of the night. Our officers are
out there twenty four to seven interacting with the public,
so time doesn't make a whole lot of difference. As
far as notifications on things, I want to know what's
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going on and not have to find out about it later.
But we do have a screening system that is much
more humane than it used to be in the days
past as far as people taking the calls and screening
them and then making the propriate notifications. Some can wait
till seven in the morning and others you need to
know when it happens.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
We're talking about your robbery homicide detectives just moments ago,
about how the work they did in the middle of
the night on this Reiner case, how they were able
to catch up with him at the gas station. I
believe the report was five hours after the murders were
called in from the home in Brentwood. How they were
able to go and find out that he stayed in
a hotel in Santa Monica, make entrance into that room.
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That is just good solid I think you referred to
it yesterday. Good solid police work, and so quickly. I
know that sometimes people expect police work to be done
so quickly like that be tied up with a nice
little boat, because that's what we see on the television.
But that's really great work they did in such a
quick time this week.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, you know, they did a tremendous job, and they
are the best in the business. Homicide Special out of
our HD handle the case. They brought in Gang and
Narcotics Division, who was paired up with the US Marshall
Service on the task for to assist as well. They
all work very well together and they were able in
this case to be able to take the suspect in
a custody very quickly. The kind of work that's done
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day in and day out. I wish we could get
that out to the public because I think they'd be
very proud of what's being done on their behalf.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
How do you make a decision to get those other
departments or the other agencies involved in a case like this.
I mean, obviously it's very high profile, so there's gonna
be a lot of eyeballs on this thing, and a
lot of eyeballs on the detectives and their work that's involved.
But how do you determine when other organizations are involved.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Yeah, within the LAPD, we used to have divisional detectives
that work for the area captain broken down twenty one
different areas throughout the city. We did a reorg recently
where all of the homicide detectives in the city now
are part of Robbery Homicide Division. So the Captain of
OURHD has the ability to be able to move people around,
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assign people as needed dependent on the case, and all
the cases now go to our HD.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
In the big sense.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Homicide special got this one, and they are the folks
who focus and specialize in incidents such as this. The
decision is made basically as things start to progress. The
Chief of Detectives is involved, that chain of command is involved,
and ultimately they make the best call they can as
to what outside resources they need. We exhaust everything we
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have in the department first. When we're on task forces,
as I mentioned with the marshals, that's like all one
seamless team. And so we're blessed in LA that we
have tremendous federal, state, and local partnerships and we work
very closely together every day, and that I think will
work well for us as we move into the World
Cup and the Olympic and Paralympic Games ahead of us.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Before we get to that, because that's a big issue.
Are we ready for that? And your department is so
financially strapped right now, it's ridiculous. We heard in the
news that maybe not even an academy class, what the
LAPD unheard of? A lot of people aren't paying attention
they should in that regard Robbery Homicide Division alone. If
you read the Harry Bosch novels, Michael Connolly, you've seen heat, right,
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who hasn't seen heat? You know this division? They are
the best and the brightest and the most hard working
and the guys you do in gals you do not
want to mess around with. But they have not escaped
budget cuts. Well, we are hit with these massive, high
profile cases all the time in LA, specifically this week
as well this season.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
No, our core function is answering radio calls, calls for
help from the public. So we have to maintain as
robust a patrol force as we can to be able
to answer those calls. And when the budget's cut and
we're down fourteen hundred officers now to give context, when
we're fully deployed. We're at ten thousand sworn. That's about
half of what New York City has cop to population ratio,
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and less than half of what Chicago has. And so
when you look at how lean we are to begin with,
and to think we're fourteen hundred down from that, I
had a budget authority to hire two hundred and forty
this year. We've done on that. I'm asking for an
additional two forty. And that's the back and forth you
heard last week in council. Even if we were able
to get that full complement of four to eighty, we're
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going to lose five to six hundred this year through
retirement other attrition, and so two years out from the Olympics,
we are very concerned as far as being able to
have sufficient resources to do it the way we would
love to be able to do it. We will get
the job done one way or the other with the LAPD,
and we will make it happen, but certainly we'd like
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to have additional people be able to focus and specialize.
You mentioned robbery homicide is not the size it used
to be. None of our specialized units are the size
they used to be, and some don't exist anymore. So
my hope is as we start to get healthy well,
we'll be able to hire more people and be able
to fill out some of the specialized units. There are
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units that we need to have, robust cyber units for cybercrime,
cyber terrorism and all of the potential attacks we could see,
you know, a drone unit. We're building that out to
be able to have drones as a first responder, a
tremendous tool there as well. But a lot of the
emerging threats we need to be able to be We're
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not going to be ahead of it, but we need
to be as up to speed with it as we can.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Do you have an idea historically, when was the LAPD
last at its you know, at its maximum strength or
at least an acceptable level.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Yeah, twenty nineteen they were at one thousand and three
sworn officers, and to get to at the end of
this year, we could be down to eighty three hundred
and the last time we saw that was nineteen ninety five,
so thirty years ago.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I think just this year alone, you're looking at a
deficit of six hundred jobs leaving this year, and that
you have to fight for two forty is insane to me.
I mean, how ass backwards is.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That we're talking with LAPD Chief to McDonalds, not at all.
We have truckteller, we have company, and so we'll come
back more with the Chief when we return.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 1 (22:07):
We want to get right to it because Chief Jim
McDonald was so nice to take some time and talk
to us about what we talk about every day here
when it comes to the high profile cases that the
LAPD is confronted with, often in the middle of the night.
As Chief was telling us, and we touched on robbery
homicide detectives and the great work that they were able
to do on capturing Nick Reiner within hours of those
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bodies being discovered, and Brentwood, another big case is I think,
leaving a lot of people scratching their heads. The dead
girl in the Teslas les Reevas. Here's a fourteen year
old girl found dead in the trunk. You've got an
up and coming rap star who was connected to her,
and yet we've had no news. We know that this
went to a grand jury as well, but it's been
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a little frustrating, I think for the general public to
get answers on this one.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Chief, Yeah, no, I understand the frustration, but the detectives
handling the case in the department, the posture has to
be preserved the integrity of the case over anything else.
As much as we want to be transparent what we do.
When you're dealing with murder cases, you have a system
to follow and you want to make sure that you
don't do anything that would jeopardize the case long term.
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You want to be able to hold whoever did these
type of crimes to justice.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And I think in that case in particular, everyone lawyered
up right away, which makes you be even more careful
with your investigation as detectives in terms of you know,
you're going to get more out of being tight lipped
about your investigation even if everyone in the world is
talking about it on every publication. Like you said, it's
all about the integrity of the investigation. And sometimes when
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information like it like that or details slip out, then
you're putting the entire case on the line. And at
the end of the day, you want to put the
guy who's the murderer away as.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
The name of the game, and the absence of us
putting out information, people fill the vacuum with misinformation. We
saw that in this case where there was some pretty
bizarre things been put out there. We try and address
those when it's when it's so prevalent, as some of
these were. But there, you know, the reality is that
generally speak and we try as much as we try
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to be transparent, we also do everything we can to
preserve the ability of the detectives to put the case together,
presented to the DA and get a successful filing and
then follow up with a successful prosecutor.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
When you bring up just the idea of misinformation that's
out there to fill vacuums, and that's in your career
in law enforcement has changed drastically just in terms of
the speed with which this information can be can be spread.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yeah, you can't get in front of a story anymore.
By the time we get to the crime scene, by
the time, oftentimes the time the officers and the black
and whites get to the crime scene, it's already been
live broadcast on somebody's video from their iPhone. And you know,
the story gets out there, whether the story is accurate
or not. And and you're playing ketchup on that trying
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to be able to parse what happened from what didn't
happen and who had the perspective that makes, you know,
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
There have been different municipalities, different politicians that want to
get into the issue of law enforcement wearing masks.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Is that going to affect LAPD at all?
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Well, you know, yeah, you look at this and you
think where we were. We were penalizing officers for not
wearing masks or post COVID, and now we're penalizing people
potentially for wearing masks. So I think we're not. We
don't wear masks at the LAPD. We get out there
and do the job. And yeah, our people take flack
over it. I see where the argument comes from for
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our federal partners who have been docksed and their families
exposed and those kind of things. So there is a
level of concern there that is rational, but it does
create a level of anxiety within the community when you
have people wearing masks and you don't know who they are.
They may not be identifiable to a lay person on
the street. So certainly, I think the political response was
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to try and alleviate some of that anxiety. But at
the end of the day, if they are legitimate federal
agents in this case, and they're doing their job. Local
police are not going to win force a misdemeanor mask
violation for something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
We've got the World Cup coming to town, We've got
the Olympics coming to down all eyes on Los Angeles.
I love the Disney movie version of this, where everything
is great and La looks wonderful, but we are not
staffed to secure these events. Well, I shouldn't say that
it'll you'll do You'll do a great job regardless, But
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what is your concern when it comes to securing massive
events and different locations throughout Los Angeles with all the
world watching and just knowing the way that criminals organize
these days when it comes to big events like this,
and what is your concern? And has that been communicated
to the mayor into the city council.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Yeah, the mayor is supportive of our hiring additional officers.
She's been pushing that the city council. There are some
members of the council who are supportive. There's other members
of the council who are not supportive of anything we do,
and then there's others where we can make our case
and hopefully win their votes over. They're in a very
difficult position now with the budget where it is a
billion dollar deficit going into this year. We have the
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biggest part of the budget, so certainly we knew that
we were going to be cut back on that. But
I think in a place where we have taken on
the role of a host city for both the World
Cup and the Olympic and Paralympic Games, there's a duty
to be able to ensure that there are sufficient resources
to do that to the best degree possible. The LAPD
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as I mentioned earlier, we have tremendous relationships with our federal, state,
and local partners, and that is a critical piece of
our ability to be able to police and ensure everybody
has an enjoyable and safe time at the games. Without that,
we would certainly be behind the eight ball. We will
end up doing it differently with fewer officers than we
would have otherwise done. We'll end up bringing in people
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from outside departments to be able to assist us, maybe
more than we otherwise would have done. These games are
spread out all over the region, so that creates a
challenge as far as transportation and a lot of the
the you know, support services that people really don't think about.
They have practice fields, practice arenas, they have a lot
of places, they have the housing. There's different countries have
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special needs that others don't have, and so there's a
lot of moving parts when you put together something like
this on a worldwide stage, everyone is evaluating everything you do.
And so we know, you know that we've got to
bring our a game for that whole forty days that
we'll be dealing with the Olympic and Paralympic games, and
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we will ready, we will be able to do it,
but we'll have to do it differently than otherwise we
would have.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
We know it's a busy week.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
We're absolutely blessed that she came in and hung out
with us, and we appreciate it. And we'll continue these
conversations because I mean, we've said.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I could keep them hostage all day. I know that
I don't think that would be a good idea for me.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
There's somebody to talk about, the one with the weapons.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So that's going to be a harder task than you,
I think, Chief McDonald, thanks for coming in.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
We greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Gary.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Last spring, a professor at the Wharton School at the
University of Pennsylvania gave a group of about two hundred
and fifty people a very simple writing assessment assignment, Sorry,
share advice with a friend on how to lead a
healthier lifestyle and to come up with tips. Some of
them were allowed to use a traditional Google search.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
This wasn't supposed to, like you, This wasn't something you're
supposed to give one of your friends, right, because that
would go overwell, my friend's like, hey, Shan, here's what
you could do to be healthier. I'd punch her in
the face. I mean, it's a little condescending.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
Well, I assume the prompt was something like, a friend
comes to you and asks for advice on how to
be healthy, very healthier. Others could so some people could
use a traditional Google search, others had to rely on
the summaries of information generated with Google AI. People who
use the AI generated summaries wrote advice that was generic.
(01:04):
It was obviously, it was obvious and largely unhelpful.
Speaker 3 (01:08):
Like eat healthy, drink water, sleep a lot.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
If people have found the information on a regular Google search,
shared more nuanced advice about the pillars of wellness, physical, mental,
emotional health, etc.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
It's funny because everyone knows the common sense things to do,
so it would be hard to not seem like you
were getting it from AI if the topic was as
simple as how to be healthier obviously, if you'd write
move more, drink right.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
But one of the things I think that AI is
doing and doing well is, especially if you are a
regular user of something like chat shept or grock, it
remembers what you asked before, and if you said something
like you had asked something about the combination of drugs
that your mother is on, what kind of contraindication you
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needed to watch out for, that will remember that you
have a mother and that she's on certain medications. So
it would then tailor an answer to you and to
your mother specifically.
Speaker 1 (02:11):
So that's one way that brain rot is happening. Short
form videos, which are extremely dominant on social media right now,
are reshaping our brain from TikTok to Instagram, rails, YouTube shorts.
This is a cornerstone of every online platform, but the
scientists are finding associations increasingly so between heavy consumption of
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short form video and challenges with focus and self control.
It's early, it's early research, but they say it is
very much so. Adding to our brain rot is.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
This has got to be an offshoot of the same
argument that our parents had in nineteen eighty one when
MTV came along, totally because of the quick edits and
the you know, the noises and the people and the
all of the bikinis.
Speaker 1 (03:01):
And the review which was published in No It's funny.
I was just having a conversation on the sideline with
somebody about a particular video. He's your age, a year
younger than you are, and we're going through videos that
were formative in his in his Yes, and it was
funny how you can just pick out the ones. It's
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so easy to pick.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
Out, like Girls, Girls Girls by Motley Cuan.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yes, that was one of them. But anyway, the review
that was published in the Psychological Bulletin shows that there
are links between heavy consumption of these short form videos,
not girls girls, girls, but the little you know short
the shorts that you watch, and increased symptoms of depression, anxiety, stress,
and loneliness. So pretty much all the things you get
(03:48):
from your doom scrolling, from your scrolling on social media,
and you subconsciously comparing and contrasting that's doing to your
brain what the short videos do as well. And I
think it's a matter of anxiety in your brain of
what's next. Yes, Okay, something's gonna hit me quickly. That's next.
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What's next, What's next, what's next? Because you're constantly stimulating
your brain, your brain's anxious thinking about, okay, what's next,
as opposed to if you sat down and read a
book for an hour and a half every day and
your brain can chill the f out and it doesn't
think it's going to be bombarded with stimuli in the
next seven seconds.
Speaker 2 (04:27):
I came up with an image, and tell me if
you think this is right. If you're riding a mountain
bike and you're on a trail, just a long trail,
and it's it's winding and stuff, but it's a continuous trail,
as opposed to since you just went hiking in Utah,
as opposed to having fifty feet of a trail, and
then you have to jump and you're falling and falling
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until you hit the next mesa or something like that,
and then you're on that mesa for forty or fifty feet.
Then you have to jump again and you're falling and
falling and falling in weight. Oh, and then there's another
mesa that comes up and you can hit that and
ride that for a while. But you're constantly, like you said, constant,
your brain is constantly looking for what the next thing
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is going.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Your brain is playing Super Mario Brothers better version.
Speaker 3 (05:13):
Yes, that's a better one.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
That's exactly what you just described. Now you know you're running,
your running, your jump and your jump. What's next, What's next?
What's next? Your brain? How can it relax?
Speaker 3 (05:21):
And with each jump though you don't know where the
next platform.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
Is exactly right, good analogy.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
So the platforms are hidden and you hope you hit
one right.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
That's why your brain needs time to calm the f down.
Just let it lie.
Speaker 2 (05:38):
James Jackson is a neuropsychologist at Vanderbilt. So there's a
long history of people crusading against new technologies, cultural phenomena. That's,
like I said, in my formative years, it was my
parents railing, not specifically my parents, our parents railing against
MTV and what kind of brain wrought that was going
to cause Before them, their parents were railing against rock
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roll and Elvis and the Beatles, and they were going
to cause people to go crazy.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
They want and they were rightly so they want what
you're putting in your brain to have some sort of value, right,
But here's an MTV. In their eyes, it did not
provide that, just like these short videos on YouTube do
not provide any real value to your brain. You're not
learning anything, you're not growing from them. But is there
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just is there somewhere their processed foods. That's why they
call brain rot?
Speaker 2 (06:29):
Yeah, is there somewhere down the road a positive that
we don't yet see? No, Because like we did this,
I feel like it's very quick, I know. But we
did the story a few weeks ago where we talked
about the concern in the teens, twenties and thirties of
the twentieth century was new technology was going to make
us all dumb. Radio TV was going to make us
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all dumb, when in fact, our IQ on average went
up like three points every decade and we were able
to get smarter and smarter because the information was so
much more available to so many more people. I wonder
if there is some benefit to this in the future
of I mean, I hate the idea, and trust me,
(07:11):
I don't like. I don't like the idea that our
brains are now conditioned to seven seconds and shut off
and find something else. But maybe there is a positive
aspect to it one hundred years from now that we go, Oh,
it's a good thing we had Vine's Instagram reels.
Speaker 1 (07:27):
I would offer this stick to listening to this show
because we are human, we are not AI, and we're
here for four hours. We're a way of feeding your brain.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
That is it.
Speaker 2 (07:37):
That is the greatest sales pitch for this show I
think I've ever heard. That's quite the elevator log one.
Speaker 1 (07:42):
Pretty good about it, but pretty good about it.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (07:51):
Saying goodbye can be very tough. That's why we've decided
to do it here. What well, I'm just what I
mean is to fire me before the holidays. I rot
to talk about when people say.
Speaker 1 (08:05):
Goodbye, I would have at least done my hair.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
Time magazine have a name for ending an interaction, the
leave taking behavior.
Speaker 3 (08:17):
How would you describe your leave taking behavior. I just leave.
Speaker 1 (08:24):
I don't say goodbye to anyone usually ever, I just go.
I've noticed, because if you're gonna say goodbye, you got
to do all the goodbyes. It gets a little laborious. Yeah, repetitive,
too much. And do people really care that you're leaving?
Probably not?
Speaker 3 (08:42):
Yes, people care that you're leaving.
Speaker 1 (08:47):
When have you noticed me doing this?
Speaker 3 (08:49):
Okay, I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (08:50):
I know I've picked up some physical cues about when
you're ready to go. Okay, some of them are super obvious,
and listen. Most of the context I would say has
been business. It's been company related as opposed to just
a social event. But the company related things, you make
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no bones about it.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
You didn't want to be there in the first place.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
What like what like a meeting?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
That's exactly what I mean different.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
Nobody wants to be in a meeting.
Speaker 3 (09:25):
We did an event one time at Delilah. Do you
remember that.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
I remember the event. I don't remember the leaving.
Speaker 3 (09:32):
Well, it was you tried to go out the side
door that they didn't let you go out. Oh remember that.
You're like, oh, I'll just go back to ou through
the kitchen.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
That's not ideal. I'll cook in that kitchen. I recently
left an event where I left you and I went
out a side door. Yeah, because I saw you going
out the main way and there were a lot of
obstacles I e people to say goodbye to, and I
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saw your path and I thought, that's not my path,
that is not the path for me. So I did
go out the side door in that situation.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
So something could have happened to me and you would
not have it. And I've been able to help.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Does it make it better that I did feel bad
about not joining you on the path? No? Oh, well,
how do you say goodbye? What should I do?
Speaker 2 (10:24):
The most important thing, according to Amy Arius, a senior
lecturer of Communication studies, that you and University of bat Arena,
don't over explain, don't use a bunch of overqualifiers, don't hedge,
don't say.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
It looks like it's about time to go and probably
should be getting going. The dog's probably looking for dinner
right about now. Nobody cares.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
Gotta let the dogs out. I hear that all the
time from I got to take the dogs out, Gotta
take the dogs for a walk, got to do the
dog I get it. It's like you can't use your
kids for that. And also we've aged out of having
young kids at home. But like it used to be kids, Oh,
we got to get home the sitter, or we got
to get home for the citter. We got to get home.
And now it's dogs and it's like, got to take
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the dog's frog. It's like, okay, I get it, you're leaving.
I don't care. You got to take the dog for
a walk.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
That's it.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
Just go.
Speaker 3 (11:16):
Don't over explain. Everybody knows. There's a limit.
Speaker 2 (11:18):
Everybody knows, especially like if you're if you're hosting friends
of for uh or during the week. Yeah, and everybody's
got to go to work the next day. You know,
there's a time it gets past eight o'clock. You could
go at any time.
Speaker 3 (11:34):
Now, if the conversation is flowing and you don't have
a problem, you're not yawning or something like that, stay
as long as you want. That's but but if somebody
decides after.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
A certain time that they're going to pick up and go,
you don't have to ask why, right, it's obvious why,
So don't over explain. That's the first part. The second
part express gratitude. Thank you so much for having me. Okay,
that's a little wordy oh.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
I usually say that, I'll say that, I'll say thank
you so much for having me, but and I mean it.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
They said, this usually means a couple of words amazing, party,
that's a lie. Amazing is so overused?
Speaker 1 (12:15):
How to blast of? Blast overused?
Speaker 3 (12:18):
Such fun?
Speaker 2 (12:19):
But something like that, that is an expression of gratitude.
Speaker 3 (12:23):
This was great.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
How about just saying something that's honest? This was great,
This was super cool. I loved this. I'm leaving like anything. Again,
I don't have to can even if to can it,
you have to put it in the can.
Speaker 2 (12:37):
So they said that again, amy Arius. Again, this communications
professor says, as you're saying goodbye, keep it short and sweet.
Two words for each, two words to announce that you're leaving,
not why, just that you're and then two words to
express gratitude.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Do you understand what we're talking about right now? We
are so socially altered that we don't even know how
to say bye goodbye. We need a freaking owner's manual
with canned responses for good night. Everybody like, what the
hell is wrong with us? What did COVID break in
our brains? Where we cannot handle a simple hello or goodbye,
(13:15):
Like we can't figure out how to say hello in
the elevator on our way up here, and we can't
leave a party without just saying thank you goodbye.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
It's as simple as that, perfect for words right there.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
They have to write articles about how to say goodbye.
Speaker 2 (13:30):
Now, she says, keep your nonverbal behavior in mind as well,
like smile obviously because you're happy for us. Nod your head,
you're nont Now that we're talking about behaviors, I'd like
to get into your nonverbal behaviors. My favorite is though,
she says, maybe put your hands in the air to
indicate there's.
Speaker 3 (13:48):
Nothing you can do slipping out lovely gavity.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
That's silly if you saw' that's like Brian Barry. I
don't know.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Look a the time.
Speaker 4 (14:03):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Well, we are honored to have LAPD Chief Jim McDonald
here to join us today. I don't know how you
did it. Chief. You have had a busy week. You see.
We've got TVs all over this room and you've been
all over them. Monday, you were there for the press
conference with the FBI with that terror plot that was thwarted.
It looks like four jackasses, for lack of a better word,
we're going to or try to bomb several locations on
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New Year's Eve in Los Angeles. FBI and LAPD sheriffs
thwarted that. And then yesterday you're with the DA who's
announcing first degree murder charges with special circumstances against Nick Reiner.
We thank you for taking the time out of obviously
a very busy week to join us. And another hope,
high profile case that your department has been working very
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hard on is, of course, the Celeste Reevas murder that
was found dead in the Tesla back in I want
to say, early fall September or something like that. And
so you have a lot on your plate going on.
How does that work? By the way, you know, when
you get you get a call in the middle of
the night. We got to have you here tomorrow. We
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got to this is going on. Does your phone ever
stop ringing? Do you keep it on silent? How does
the batphone work in your home?
Speaker 5 (15:24):
Keep it next to me and on the nightstand, but
I never keep it on silent. It can it can
go off anytime, and it seems the big things usually
happen in the middle of the night. Our officers are
out there twenty four to seven interacting with the public,
so time doesn't make a whole lot of difference. As
far as notifications on things, I want to know what's
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going on and not have to find out about it later.
But we do have a screening system that is much
more humane than it used to be in the days
past as far as people taking the calls and screening
them and then making the propriate notifications. Some can wait
till seven in the morning and others you need to
know when it happens.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
We're talking about your robbery homicide detectives just moments ago,
about how the work they did in the middle of
the night on this Reiner case, how they were able
to catch up with him at the gas station. I
believe the report was five hours after the murders were
called in from the home in Brentwood. How they were
able to go and find out that he stayed in
a hotel in Santa Monica, make entrance into that room.
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That is just good solid I think you referred to
it yesterday. Good solid police work, and so quickly. I
know that sometimes people expect police work to be done
so quickly like that be tied up with a nice
little boat, because that's what we see on the television.
But that's really great work they did in such a
quick time this week.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
Yeah, you know, they did a tremendous job, and they
are the best in the business. Homicide Special out of
our HD handle the case. They brought in Gang and
Narcotics Division, who was paired up with the US Marshall
Service on the task for to assist as well. They
all work very well together and they were able in
this case to be able to take the suspect in
a custody very quickly. The kind of work that's done
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day in and day out. I wish we could get
that out to the public because I think they'd be
very proud of what's being done on their behalf.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
How do you make a decision to get those other
departments or the other agencies involved in a case like this.
I mean, obviously it's very high profile, so there's gonna
be a lot of eyeballs on this thing, and a
lot of eyeballs on the detectives and their work that's involved.
But how do you determine when other organizations are involved.
Speaker 5 (17:35):
Yeah, within the LAPD, we used to have divisional detectives
that work for the area captain broken down twenty one
different areas throughout the city. We did a reorg recently
where all of the homicide detectives in the city now
are part of Robbery Homicide Division. So the Captain of
OURHD has the ability to be able to move people around,
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assign people as needed dependent on the case, and all
the cases now go to our HD.
Speaker 3 (18:00):
In the big sense.
Speaker 5 (18:01):
Homicide special got this one, and they are the folks
who focus and specialize in incidents such as this. The
decision is made basically as things start to progress. The
Chief of Detectives is involved, that chain of command is involved,
and ultimately they make the best call they can as
to what outside resources they need. We exhaust everything we
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have in the department first. When we're on task forces,
as I mentioned with the marshals, that's like all one
seamless team. And so we're blessed in LA that we
have tremendous federal, state, and local partnerships and we work
very closely together every day, and that I think will
work well for us as we move into the World
Cup and the Olympic and Paralympic Games ahead of us.
Speaker 1 (18:45):
Before we get to that, because that's a big issue.
Are we ready for that? And your department is so
financially strapped right now, it's ridiculous. We heard in the
news that maybe not even an academy class, what the
LAPD unheard of? A lot of people aren't paying attention
they should in that regard Robbery Homicide Division alone. If
you read the Harry Bosch novels, Michael Connolly, you've seen heat, right,
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who hasn't seen heat? You know this division? They are
the best and the brightest and the most hard working
and the guys you do in gals you do not
want to mess around with. But they have not escaped
budget cuts. Well, we are hit with these massive, high
profile cases all the time in LA, specifically this week
as well this season.
Speaker 3 (19:25):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (19:26):
No, our core function is answering radio calls, calls for
help from the public. So we have to maintain as
robust a patrol force as we can to be able
to answer those calls. And when the budget's cut and
we're down fourteen hundred officers now to give context, when
we're fully deployed. We're at ten thousand sworn. That's about
half of what New York City has cop to population ratio,
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and less than half of what Chicago has. And so
when you look at how lean we are to begin with,
and to think we're fourteen hundred down from that, I
had a budget authority to hire two hundred and forty
this year. We've done on that. I'm asking for an
additional two forty. And that's the back and forth you
heard last week in council. Even if we were able
to get that full complement of four to eighty, we're
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going to lose five to six hundred this year through
retirement other attrition, and so two years out from the Olympics,
we are very concerned as far as being able to
have sufficient resources to do it the way we would
love to be able to do it. We will get
the job done one way or the other with the LAPD,
and we will make it happen, but certainly we'd like
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to have additional people be able to focus and specialize.
You mentioned robbery homicide is not the size it used
to be. None of our specialized units are the size
they used to be, and some don't exist anymore. So
my hope is as we start to get healthy well,
we'll be able to hire more people and be able
to fill out some of the specialized units. There are
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units that we need to have, robust cyber units for cybercrime,
cyber terrorism and all of the potential attacks we could see,
you know, a drone unit. We're building that out to
be able to have drones as a first responder, a
tremendous tool there as well. But a lot of the
emerging threats we need to be able to be We're
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not going to be ahead of it, but we need
to be as up to speed with it as we can.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
Do you have an idea historically, when was the LAPD
last at its you know, at its maximum strength or
at least an acceptable level.
Speaker 5 (21:24):
Yeah, twenty nineteen they were at one thousand and three
sworn officers, and to get to at the end of
this year, we could be down to eighty three hundred
and the last time we saw that was nineteen ninety five,
so thirty years ago.
Speaker 4 (21:37):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
I think just this year alone, you're looking at a
deficit of six hundred jobs leaving this year, and that
you have to fight for two forty is insane to me.
I mean, how ass backwards is.
Speaker 2 (21:48):
That we're talking with LAPD Chief to McDonalds, not at all.
We have truckteller, we have company, and so we'll come
back more with the Chief when we return.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 1 (22:07):
We want to get right to it because Chief Jim
McDonald was so nice to take some time and talk
to us about what we talk about every day here
when it comes to the high profile cases that the
LAPD is confronted with, often in the middle of the night.
As Chief was telling us, and we touched on robbery
homicide detectives and the great work that they were able
to do on capturing Nick Reiner within hours of those
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bodies being discovered, and Brentwood, another big case is I think,
leaving a lot of people scratching their heads. The dead
girl in the Teslas les Reevas. Here's a fourteen year
old girl found dead in the trunk. You've got an
up and coming rap star who was connected to her,
and yet we've had no news. We know that this
went to a grand jury as well, but it's been
(22:53):
a little frustrating, I think for the general public to
get answers on this one.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
Chief, Yeah, no, I understand the frustration, but the detectives
handling the case in the department, the posture has to
be preserved the integrity of the case over anything else.
As much as we want to be transparent what we do.
When you're dealing with murder cases, you have a system
to follow and you want to make sure that you
don't do anything that would jeopardize the case long term.
(23:17):
You want to be able to hold whoever did these
type of crimes to justice.
Speaker 1 (23:21):
And I think in that case in particular, everyone lawyered
up right away, which makes you be even more careful
with your investigation as detectives in terms of you know,
you're going to get more out of being tight lipped
about your investigation even if everyone in the world is
talking about it on every publication. Like you said, it's
all about the integrity of the investigation. And sometimes when
(23:43):
information like it like that or details slip out, then
you're putting the entire case on the line. And at
the end of the day, you want to put the
guy who's the murderer away as.
Speaker 5 (23:53):
The name of the game, and the absence of us
putting out information, people fill the vacuum with misinformation. We
saw that in this case where there was some pretty
bizarre things been put out there. We try and address
those when it's when it's so prevalent, as some of
these were. But there, you know, the reality is that
generally speak and we try as much as we try
(24:14):
to be transparent, we also do everything we can to
preserve the ability of the detectives to put the case together,
presented to the DA and get a successful filing and
then follow up with a successful prosecutor.
Speaker 2 (24:26):
When you bring up just the idea of misinformation that's
out there to fill vacuums, and that's in your career
in law enforcement has changed drastically just in terms of
the speed with which this information can be can be spread.
Speaker 5 (24:41):
Yeah, you can't get in front of a story anymore.
By the time we get to the crime scene, by
the time, oftentimes the time the officers and the black
and whites get to the crime scene, it's already been
live broadcast on somebody's video from their iPhone. And you know,
the story gets out there, whether the story is accurate
or not. And and you're playing ketchup on that trying
(25:01):
to be able to parse what happened from what didn't
happen and who had the perspective that makes, you know,
makes sense.
Speaker 2 (25:10):
There have been different municipalities, different politicians that want to
get into the issue of law enforcement wearing masks.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
Is that going to affect LAPD at all?
Speaker 5 (25:21):
Well, you know, yeah, you look at this and you
think where we were. We were penalizing officers for not
wearing masks or post COVID, and now we're penalizing people
potentially for wearing masks. So I think we're not. We
don't wear masks at the LAPD. We get out there
and do the job. And yeah, our people take flack
over it. I see where the argument comes from for
(25:44):
our federal partners who have been docksed and their families
exposed and those kind of things. So there is a
level of concern there that is rational, but it does
create a level of anxiety within the community when you
have people wearing masks and you don't know who they are.
They may not be identifiable to a lay person on
the street. So certainly, I think the political response was
(26:09):
to try and alleviate some of that anxiety. But at
the end of the day, if they are legitimate federal
agents in this case, and they're doing their job. Local
police are not going to win force a misdemeanor mask
violation for something like that.
Speaker 1 (26:25):
We've got the World Cup coming to town, We've got
the Olympics coming to down all eyes on Los Angeles.
I love the Disney movie version of this, where everything
is great and La looks wonderful, but we are not
staffed to secure these events. Well, I shouldn't say that
it'll you'll do You'll do a great job regardless, But
(26:48):
what is your concern when it comes to securing massive
events and different locations throughout Los Angeles with all the
world watching and just knowing the way that criminals organize
these days when it comes to big events like this,
and what is your concern? And has that been communicated
to the mayor into the city council.
Speaker 5 (27:09):
Yeah, the mayor is supportive of our hiring additional officers.
She's been pushing that the city council. There are some
members of the council who are supportive. There's other members
of the council who are not supportive of anything we do,
and then there's others where we can make our case
and hopefully win their votes over. They're in a very
difficult position now with the budget where it is a
billion dollar deficit going into this year. We have the
(27:30):
biggest part of the budget, so certainly we knew that
we were going to be cut back on that. But
I think in a place where we have taken on
the role of a host city for both the World
Cup and the Olympic and Paralympic Games, there's a duty
to be able to ensure that there are sufficient resources
to do that to the best degree possible. The LAPD
(27:52):
as I mentioned earlier, we have tremendous relationships with our federal, state,
and local partners, and that is a critical piece of
our ability to be able to police and ensure everybody
has an enjoyable and safe time at the games. Without that,
we would certainly be behind the eight ball. We will
end up doing it differently with fewer officers than we
would have otherwise done. We'll end up bringing in people
(28:15):
from outside departments to be able to assist us, maybe
more than we otherwise would have done. These games are
spread out all over the region, so that creates a
challenge as far as transportation and a lot of the
the you know, support services that people really don't think about.
They have practice fields, practice arenas, they have a lot
of places, they have the housing. There's different countries have
(28:39):
special needs that others don't have, and so there's a
lot of moving parts when you put together something like
this on a worldwide stage, everyone is evaluating everything you do.
And so we know, you know that we've got to
bring our a game for that whole forty days that
we'll be dealing with the Olympic and Paralympic games, and
(28:59):
we will ready, we will be able to do it,
but we'll have to do it differently than otherwise we
would have.
Speaker 3 (29:05):
We know it's a busy week.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
We're absolutely blessed that she came in and hung out
with us, and we appreciate it. And we'll continue these
conversations because I mean, we've said.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
I could keep them hostage all day. I know that
I don't think that would be a good idea for me.
Speaker 3 (29:17):
There's somebody to talk about, the one with the weapons.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
So that's going to be a harder task than you,
I think, Chief McDonald, thanks for coming in.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
We greatly appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
Gary.
Speaker 5 (29:25):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
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