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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Dylanes course went on a date. Recent date shows up
wearing a very heavily thought out outfit thrifted orange zip
up hoodie.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Okay, so you're already thrift shop rif shops are pretty.
They're always in, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Camouflage, cropped tea, bootcut jeans. He said he specifically chose
these clothes to match the venues, Latin and jazz scene
this bar in Houston that he was going to, right,
so he's thought a lot about what he was gonna wear.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Houston's a fun time.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
His date, however, shows up in black Lululemon leggings, an
oversized gray sweatshirt, and dirty Nike Air Force shoes.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Okay, casual she huh?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
He said that didn't go over well. He said her
outfit didn't match the vibe of the bar, and he
took her choice of clothing as a personal slight.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
See this is why girls, we always talk about what
we're gonna wear. What are you thinking? What are you
gonna wear? What are you gonna wear? So that you
know you all show up in jeans, boots and a scarf.
Not really, but you know what I mean. I can
see where there would be a date disconnect. He's kind
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of like when you took your wife out and you
showed up in those overalls. Right, that's a disconnect. You
showed up to a date in overalls as a man, right, grown,
not a boy that was twenty that was thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Feels like yesterday to me. This is called the swag gap.
This difference in the way that two people carry and
present themselves, and it goes beyond the beauty meets brain
dynamic that they've said. It's more of a On the
one hand, I'm dressed for a cocktail hour, my partner's
dressed for remote work day. And it says that if
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you look at what goes on in social media, the
cautionary tales that we see posted, this misalignment could be
one of those very early red flags for a relationship.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well, there are people who still want to dress. There
are people who still want to look good and look
like they put effort into what they're wearing. And there's
this other culture of people who never left their home
in sweats and I mean that meaning people started working
from home during COVID, they got comfortable, they traded their
hard pants in their clothes, their work clothes for at leisure,
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maybe not maybe putting it to fancy. And they're still
doing it. You see it at the airports, you see
it everywhere, people in their pajamas going about their day.
There's certain people who aren't going to go back. And
now then when you know, of course, when you're dating,
you find out what people are really into. And this
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happens to be a disconnect for this couple. I don't
think this swag gap is sweeping the country and it's
something that's going to prevent future childbirths, like my relationship,
what about your relationship?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, I mean you pointed out the very first, one
of the very first dates that I had with my wife,
this played into it. I mean there was a definite
swag gap that existed between the two of us.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, and it wasn't because did she say anything about
the overalls on the day? Did she say huh, that's
a good question anything. She is a strong woman to
make it through that date and to come out the
other side without saying something and to fix all of it. Well,
that would have been our third time together. It's it's
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kind of a cautionary tale what your wife did with you,
because what we want to teach young girls is you
can't fix them. You can't change them. They are who
they are. But she fixed all of that, Like, she
fixed it and it works. She's like the She's like
the urban legend of like you can fix a guy,
and it gives girls hope that you know, they can
take something and mold it and they can't. But you
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were molded. I'm still We're molded into that shirt. It's
a great shirt. So you went from overalls to that shirt.
That's incredible. That is a transformation. I just him handing
it to her. We're having a Shannon Hoffman moment of appreciation.
She took a canvas and the canvas was a mess.
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I mean, the canvas was like you know one of
those pieces at MoMA. Is that how you call it
sure or the broad or you go in you're like,
what the hell is it? What is this supposed to be?
Why is there a light shining on this? Why is
it even in the room? Why is it out of
the box? And she saw that and she's like, I
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can make real art with this, and then I was, yeah,
I was just putty in her hands. It's supposed to
be a compliment, and I kee, I feel like I'm
messing it up. No, we're really hitting out of the park. Actually. Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
One of these twenty four year olds interviewed for this
article says having or sorry, being swaggy means having confidence,
and that being threatened by that confidence could lead to
a swag gap. If they see your swag as a
threat to their swag, you have a problem. Yeah, I mean,
you don't have to put a dumb label on it
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like that, but but yeah, I mean, clothes can be
a stand in for for whatever. Clothes could be a
stand in not only for your social status actual, but
also what you perceive your social status to be.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Right. I always think like it's not the clothes, Like,
you know, certain people could wear a freaking paper bag
and they would still have the charisma and the swag,
the riz, yeah, all the things. But sometimes I feel
like when people feel like they have to wear all
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the things, it's covering up for something. But the lack
of confidence, I guess.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Isn't there also the opportunity if you're kind of in
the middle there somewhere, and you're not quite sure where
you want to be swag wise or charisma wise or whatever.
Sometimes dressing the part can help you sure. It can
help make you feel better about stuff, whatever that is,
job interview, big meeting at work, date, meeting somebody for
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the first time, whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You don't want to swing for the fences in that situation.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
No, not necessary, but but you do want to look
like you care enough to put that stuff together right.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
One could argue you wearing the overalls was like a
major move, Like that's a move, Like that's a confidence thing.
Like I'm showing up in overalls to this date because
I know who I am and this is who I am.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And I'm going back to that first example. This guy
Dylan who shows up in you know, says that he
curated his outfit very carefully. And the woman shows up
in Lululemon leggings. Are you gonna show up in leggings
to a date?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
No? Maybe she's the one who had the confidence. Maybe
she was like, hey, yeah, you're right, what kind of
leggings are we talking about? Are we talking about like
old leggings? Like the elastic is shot on these leggings.
Are these new leggings? They do they look good? And
do they look good? She thinks they do. She does
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because she wore them. Well, I don't know. Maybe she's
just trying to take back her uh her femininity. I
don't know that word. Clearly don't know that word.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:03):
Saying goodbye can be very tough. That's why we've decided
to do it here. What well, I'm just what I
mean is to fire me before the holidays, or to
talk about when people say goodbye? I would have at
least done my hair.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Time magazine have a name for ending an interaction, the
leave taking behavior. How would you describe your leave taking behavior?
I just leave.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I don't say goodbye to anyone usually ever, I just go.
I've noticed, because if you're gonna say goodbye, you got
to do all the goodbyes. It gets a little laborious, Yeah, repetitive,
too much? And do people really care that you're leaving?
Probably not? Yes, people care that you're leaving. When have
(08:59):
you noticed me doing this? Okay, I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I know I've picked up some physical cues about when
you're ready to go. Okay, some of them are super
obvious and listen. Most of the context I would say
has been business. It's been company related as opposed to
just a social event. But the company related things, you
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make no bones about it. You didn't want to be
there in the first place.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
What like? What like a meeting? That's exactly what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Nobody wants to be in a meeting. We did an
event one time at Delilah. Do you remember that.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I remember the event. I don't remember the leaving.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, it was you tried to go out the side
door that they didn't let you go out.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Oh remember that. You're like, I, I'll just go back
to al through the kitchen. That's not ideal. I'll cook
in that kitchen. I I recently left an event where
I left you and I went out a side door. Yeah,
because I saw you going out the main way and
there were a lot of obstacles. I e people to
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say goodbye to and I saw your path and I
thought that's not my path, that is not the path
for me. So I did go out the side door
in that situation.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So something could have happened to me and you would
not have it and I've been able to help.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Does it make it better that I did feel bad
about not joining you on the path? No? Oh, well,
how do you say goodbye? What should I do?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
The most important thing, according to Amy Arius, a senior
lecturer of Communication Studies at You and University of That Arena,
don't over explain, don't don't use a bunch of overqualifiers,
don't hedge, don't say.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It looks like it's about time to go and probably
should be getting going. The dog's probably looking for dinner
right about now. Nobody cares. Gotta let the dogs out.
I hear that all the time from dog. I got
to take the dogs out, got to take the dogs
for a walk, gotta do the dog. I get it.
It's like you can't use your kids for that. And
(11:12):
also we've aged out of having young kids at home,
but like it used to be kids. Oh, we got
to get home the sitter. We got to get home
for the citter. We got to get home. And now
it's dogs and it's like, got to take the dogs
for frog. It's like, okay, I get it, you're leaving.
I don't care. You got to take the dog for
a walk. That's it.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Just go, don't over explain. Everybody knows. There's a limit.
Everybody knows, especially like if you're if you're hosting friends
of for uh uh or during the week. Yeah, and
everybody's got to go to work the next day. You know,
there's a time. It gets past eight o'clock. You could
go at any time. Now, if the conversation is flowing
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and you don't have a problem, you're not yawning or
something like that, stay as long as you want. That's
but but if somebody decides after a certain time that
they're going to pick up and go, you don't have
to ask why obvious why, So don't over explain. That's
the first part. The second part express gratitude. Thank you
so much for having me. Okay, that's a little wordy Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I usually say that, I'll say that, I'll say thank
you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
But and I mean it, they said, so. This usually
means a couple of words.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Amazing, party, that's a lie, amazing, is so overused, had
a blast, a blast overused, such fun something like that.
That is an expression of gratitude. This was great. How
about just saying something that's honest, This was great, This
was super cool. I loved this. I'm leaving like anything. Again,
(12:45):
I don't have to can't you? Even if to can it,
you have to put it in the can?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So they said that again, amy Arius. Again, This communications
professor says, as you're saying goodbye, keep it short and sweet.
Two words for each, two words to announce that you're leaving,
why just that you'arly, and then two words to express gratgy.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Do you understand what we're talking about right now? We
are so socially altered that we don't even know how
to say goodbye. We need a freaking owner's manual with
canned responses for good night, everybody, Like, what the hell
is wrong with us? What did COVID break in our
brains where we cannot handle a simple hello or goodbye?
(13:27):
Like we can't figure out how to say hello in
the elevator on our way up here, and we can't
leave a party without just saying thank you goodbye. It's
as simple as that, perfect for words right there. They
have to write articles about how to say.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Goodbye now, she says, keep your nonverbal behavior in mind
as well, like smile obviously because you're happy for us, nod.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Your head, you're nont Now that we're talking about behaviors,
I'd like to get into your nonverbal behaviors.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
My favorite is though she says, maybe put your hands
in the air to indicate there's.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Nothing you can do slipping out lovely gathered. That's silly
if you saw that's like Brian Barry, I don't know,
I don't know. I gotta go. Look at the time.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, we have talked for years now, it seems about
all of the DNA testing, KITS twenty three and me
ancestry and the like, and it seems like now people
are trying to get in on some inheritance. Legal cases
are now showing how biological relationships are opening the door
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for inheritance claims. Estate planning lawyers are jumping on top
of this, as you can imagine saying across your t's
dot your eyes. Here is one of the anecdotes that
is highlighted here. Carmen Thomas growing up in Boston. Her
mom told her that her absent dad's name was Joe Brown.
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So when she sent her spit to twenty three and
me in her twenties. She got a match with a Brown,
so she was excited. It turns out Joe Brown, the
man she believed to be her father, had died five
years earlier, but she connected with two likely half six sisters.
They went out for Boba t They had a sleepover
at grandma's. They looked at old family albums. A year later,
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Carmen Thomas is suing the sisters and their mother. She
wants a share of the multi million dollar medical malpractice
award they won after Joe Brown died of an undiagnosed
aortic aneurysm. Wow, after all, her lawyer wrote, she was
his daughter too. What a nightmare? What a freaking nightmare.
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States are now grappling with how to rewrite laws to
address the issue, and lawyers are encouraging people to rethink
their estate plans.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Well, I gotta imagine that there are people who well,
I mean, clearly she's doing this, but there are people
who wouldn't want to have anything to do with an
estranged an estranged parent that you had to find through
twenty three in meters.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Well, what is your right to any sort of inheritance
just because you have the same DNA? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
What is that well, because I could easily write both
of my kids out of my trust and will, et
cetera if I wanted.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
To, right But like, if you had a surprise kid
that you made, you know, before you met your wife, sure,
and you died right now and the surprised kid turns up,
would that surprise kid have any right to your things
the way your kids have a right to them? If
your will just said I give everything to my kids, well,
(17:02):
if they had their names, and what if you didn't
have a will, I guess that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's that's the big dish, that's the problem your deal. Yeah,
then that's always a problem I have. But one of
the questions that I came up with right away was
at least in Carmen's circumstance, was did.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He know he had a kid? Does that matter?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Well kind of, I mean, he didn't I have a
surprise kid? If I had a surprise kid that I
didn't know about, and roll around, you know, twenty eight I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Trying to figure out how long I've been married, So
I do the matter, try to figure when that surprise
kid popped up?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
So a thirty one year old child, a thirty one
year old rolls up and is like.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Hey, like Elmer. Elmer's thirty three. Yeah, you could have
a kid like Elmer out there, daddy. Oh boy, yeah,
I suppose that's possible. Oh my god, my mom. By
the way, Olmer, this is fun story, really quick slight detour. Diane, Yeah,
so you even know her name better? Is this makes
a story better. We're at my mom's house for a
couple of days before Thanksgiving after Utah, and she's like,
(18:03):
there's this guy in the show, and like, are you
talking about this guy? I was like, are you talking
about mad or Richie? And she's like, no, it's a
different voice. I'm like Elmer. She's like, yeah, who's Elmer?
I was like whoa? And I took like I had
a problem with it a little bit, like I got
real defensive over you all. I was like, what do
(18:23):
you mean you don't know who Elmer is? And she's like,
he's got kind of a wacky voice. I was like,
it's not wacky. Everyone loves his voice. I got pretty
crazy with Diane over it. But anyway, I said, well,
we need to do a better job of explaining who's
on the show. If you don't know Elmer by this point.
But Elmer, I have an Elmer, So you've got an Elmer.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I didn't know I had an Elmer, and my wife
obviously didn't know I had an Elmer. Right, But he
rolls into my life or my wife's life if I'm gone.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
He finds out that he's connected by DNA to your
two children, right, And they start having Boba ti because
your daughter likes Boba ti. And they start hanging out,
and Elmer finds out that there's some money come in
their way. He wants in on it. If you don't
have a will, what's his right to that money as
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just somebody who shares your DNA.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Well, again, if I didn't know, I mean there's a
possibility that he would have an argument. But if I
did know and intentionally cut him out of my life,
I think that's irrelevant. I think it's irrelevant whether you
knew or not. I think you always your problem is
you always get into morality when it comes to legal issues. No, No,
because I was thinking my wife would probably be like, well,
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my husband was an idiot for not knowing or not
telling anybody or anything like that. So here's a little
bit of scratch here's twenty bucks. You know, have fun
on the car.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Right, there's twenty bucks. I don't know. I'm not saying
because I don't think I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
The moral issue of giving up a child versus having no.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It's completely irrelevant when it comes to what that child
has a right to financially from your estate.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I guess they're just going to have to deal with this.
I mean, I'm sure it's been done before. But the
idea now that you can absolutely scientifically prove that you
were a child of that person.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
What a surprise too? Like interesting? Usually though, the only
thing they do say like buck teeth. Well, here's this
article telling me that I'm very wrong. Surprise errors may
have stronger cases if they can show their father supported
or even openly acknowledge them. A brother and sister in
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Utah were fighting over their late father, John's estate, when
the brother reached out to a man he thought might
be their half brother. Their DNA matched. The man's mother
apparently had an affair with John when she worked for him. Ah.
John did not have a will. The man argued his
claim in part by noting that John had sent him
birthday cards with one hundred dollars per years. Ah Utah
(21:02):
Supreme Court ruled the man was entitled to a third
of John's estate, interesting for inheritance purposes. The court said
he had two fathers, the one who raised him and John,
his biological dad.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I didn't know this, as state planning documents can spell
out whether biological children who aren't known to the family
will inherit over overwriting state definitions of descendants.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
You're gonna want to do that, probably, you know for yours, Well,
you don't want to surprise Elmer tournament. I do.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Actually, I'm trying to remember because we just did this
not too long ago.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Antell, that was. I don't need to do that. By
the way, I don't have surprise children, I know, but
I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
To remember if it was even if it was even asked. Hey,
like the guy writing the trust is like, Hey, I'm
gonna ask Let me give you a call offline here.
Let me just I'm gonna text you a quick little
question and your wife probably doesn't need to know, But
do you.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Have any sperm that got away from you? Maybe found
an egg elsewhere, grew into a baby, found an egg elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Last spring, a professor at the Wharton School at the
University of Pennsylvania gave a group of about two hundred
and fifty people a very simple writing assessment assignment Sorry,
share advice with a friend on how to lead a
healthier lifestyle and to come up with tips. Some of
them were allowed to use a traditional Google search.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
This wasn't supposed to, like you, This wasn't something you're
supposed to give one of your friends, right, because that
would go overwell, my friend's like, hey, Shan, here's what
you could do to be healthier. I'd punch her in
the face. I mean, it's a little condescending.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, I assume the prompt was something like, a friend
comes to you and asks for advice on how to
be healthy.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Here to be healthier?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Others could so some people could use a traditional Google search,
others had to rely on the summaries of information generated
with Google AI. The people who use the AI generated
summaries wrote advice that was generic. It was obviously, it
was obvious and largely unhelpful, like eat healthy, drink water,
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sleep A lot if people have found the information on
a regular Google search shared more nuanced advice about the
pillars of wellness, physical, mental, emotional, health, etc.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
It's funny because everyone knows the common sense things to do,
so it would be hard to not seem like you
were getting it from AI if the topic was as
simple as how to be healthier. Obviously, if you'd right,
move more, drink right.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But one of the things I think that AI is
doing and doing well is, especially if you are a
regular user of something like chat, shept or grock, it
remembers what you asked before, and if you said something
like you had asked something about the common nation of
drugs that your mother is on, what kind of contraindications
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you needed to watch out for, that will remember that
you have a mother and that she's on certain medications.
So it would then tailor an answer to you and
to your mother specifically.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
So that's one way that brain rot is happening. Short
form videos, which are extremely dominant on social media right now,
are reshaping our brain from TikTok to Instagram rails, YouTube shorts.
This is a cornerstone of every online platform. But the
scientists are finding associations increasingly so between heavy consumption of
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short form video and challenges with focus and self control.
It's early, it's early research, but they say it is
very much so adding to our brain rot.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
This has got to be an offshoot of the same
argument that our parents had in nineteen eighty one when
MTV came along, because of the quick edits and the
you know, the noises and the.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
People and the all of the bikinis, and the review
which was published in My Parents. No, it's funny. I
was just having a conversation on the sideline with somebody
about a particular video. He's your age, a year younger
than you are, and we're going through videos that were
formative in his in his yes, and it was funny
(25:25):
how you can just pick out the ones. It's so
easy to pick out, like Girls, Girls, Girls by Motley Cuyan. Yes,
that was one of them. But anyway, the review that
was published in the Psychological Bulletin shows that there are
links between heavy consumption of these short form videos, not
girls girls, girls, but the little you know, short the
shorts that you watch, and increased symptoms of depression, anxiety, stress,
(25:50):
and loneliness. So pretty much all the things you get
from your doom scrolling from your scrolling on social media
and you subconsciously comparing and contrasting. That's doing to your
brain what the short videos do as well. And I
think it's a matter of anxiety in your brain of
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what's next. Yes, okay, something's going to hit me quickly,
that's next. What's next, What's next, What's next? Because you're
constantly stimulating your brain, your brain's anxious thinking about, okay,
what's next, as opposed to if you sat down and
read a book for an hour and a half every
day and your brain can chill the f out and
it doesn't think it's going to be bombarded with stimuli
in the next seven seconds.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I came up with an image, and tell me if
you think this is right. If you're riding a mountain
bike and you're on a trail, just a long trail,
and it's winding and stuff, but it's a continuous trail
as opposed to since you just went hiking in Utah,
as opposed to having fifty feet of a trail, and
then you have to jump and you're falling and falling
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until you hit the next mesa or something like that,
and then you're on that mesa for forty or fifty
feet and you have to jump again, and you're falling
and falling and falling in wait oh, and then there's
another mesa that comes up and you can hit that
and ride that for a while. But you're constantly, like
you said, your constant. Your brain is constantly looking for
what the next thing is going.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Your brain is playing Super Mario Brothers better version. Yes,
that's a better one. That's exactly what you just described.
Though you know you're running, your running, your jumping, your
what's next? What's next? What's next? Your brain? How can
it relax?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And with each jump though you don't know where the
next platform.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Is exactly right, good analogy. So the platforms are hidden
and you hope you hit one right. That's why your
brain needs time to calm the f down, Just let
it lie.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
James Jackson is a neuropsychologist at Vanderbilt. So there's a
long history of people crusading against new technologies, cultural phenomena. That's,
like I said, in my formative years, it was my
parents railing, not specifically my parents, our parents railing against
MTV and what kind of brain rot that was going
to cause. Before them, their parents were railing against rock
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and roll and Elvis and the Beatles, and they were
going to cause people to go crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
They want and they were rightly so they want what
you're putting in your brain to have some sort of value, right,
But here's an MTV. In their eyes, it did not
provide that, just like these short videos on YouTube do
not provide any real value to your brain. You're not
learning anything, you're not growing from them. But is there
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just is there somewhere their processed foods. That's why they
call brain rot?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, is there somewhere down the road a positive that
we don't yet see?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
No, Because like we did this.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I feel like that's very quick, I know, but we
did the story a few weeks ago where we talked
about the concern in the teens, twenties, and thirties of
the twentieth century was new technology was going to make
us all dumb. Radio TV was going to make us
all dumb, when in fact, our IQ on average went
up like three points every decade and we were able
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to get smarter and smarter because the information was so
much more available to so many more people. I wonder
if there is some benefit to this in the future
of I mean, I hate the idea, and trust me,
I don't like. I don't like the idea that our
brains are now conditioned to seven seconds and shut off
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and find something else. But maybe there is a positive
aspect to it one hundred years from now that we go, oh,
it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
We had vine so you think we had Instagram reels.
I would offer this stick to listening to this show
because we are human, we are not AI, and we're
here for four hours. We're a way of feeding your brain.
That is it.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
That is the greatest sales pitch for this show I
think I've ever heard. That's quite The Elevator logged one.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Pretty good about it, got pretty good about it.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Well there it is another portion of the show that
apparently Ritchie and Elmer and Matt and all the producers
and everybody in the background, they all thought that that
was some of the best of I guess giddy up
with this. Well, wow, exactly. Gary and Shannon will continue.
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Dylanes course went on a date. Recent date shows up
wearing a very heavily thought out outfit thrifted orange zip
up hoodie.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Okay, so you're already thrift shop rif shops are pretty.
They're always in, aren't they?
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Camouflage, cropped tea, bootcut jeans. He said he specifically chose
these clothes to match the venues, Latin and jazz scene
this bar in Houston that he was going to, right,
so he's thought a lot about what he was gonna wear.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
Houston's a fun time.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
His date, however, shows up in black Lululemon leggings, an
oversized gray sweatshirt, and dirty Nike Air Force shoes.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Okay, casual she huh?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
He said that didn't go over well. He said her
outfit didn't match the vibe of the bar, and he
took her choice of clothing as a personal slight.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
See this is why girls, we always talk about what
we're gonna wear. What are you thinking? What are you
gonna wear? What are you gonna wear? So that you
know you all show up in jeans, boots and a scarf.
Not really, but you know what I mean. I can
see where there would be a date disconnect. He's kind
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of like when you took your wife out and you
showed up in those overalls. Right, that's a disconnect. You
showed up to a date in overalls as a man, right, grown,
not a boy that was twenty that was thirty years ago.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Feels like yesterday to me. This is called the swag gap.
This difference in the way that two people carry and
present themselves, and it goes beyond the beauty meets brain
dynamic that they've said. It's more of a On the
one hand, I'm dressed for a cocktail hour, my partner's
dressed for remote work day. And it says that if
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you look at what goes on in social media, the
cautionary tales that we see posted, this misalignment could be
one of those very early red flags for a relationship.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
Well, there are people who still want to dress. There
are people who still want to look good and look
like they put effort into what they're wearing. And there's
this other culture of people who never left their home
in sweats and I mean that meaning people started working
from home during COVID, they got comfortable, they traded their
hard pants in their clothes, their work clothes for at leisure,
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maybe not maybe putting it to fancy. And they're still
doing it. You see it at the airports, you see
it everywhere, people in their pajamas going about their day.
There's certain people who aren't going to go back. And
now then when you know, of course, when you're dating,
you find out what people are really into. And this
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happens to be a disconnect for this couple. I don't
think this swag gap is sweeping the country and it's
something that's going to prevent future childbirths, like my relationship,
what about your relationship?
Speaker 2 (03:27):
Well, I mean you pointed out the very first, one
of the very first dates that I had with my wife,
this played into it. I mean there was a definite
swag gap that existed between the two of us.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Yeah, and it wasn't because did she say anything about
the overalls on the day? Did she say huh, that's
a good question anything. She is a strong woman to
make it through that date and to come out the
other side without saying something and to fix all of it. Well,
that would have been our third time together. It's it's
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kind of a cautionary tale what your wife did with you,
because what we want to teach young girls is you
can't fix them. You can't change them. They are who
they are. But she fixed all of that, Like, she
fixed it and it works. She's like the She's like
the urban legend of like you can fix a guy,
and it gives girls hope that you know, they can
take something and mold it and they can't. But you
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were molded. I'm still We're molded into that shirt. It's
a great shirt. So you went from overalls to that shirt.
That's incredible. That is a transformation. I just him handing
it to her. We're having a Shannon Hoffman moment of appreciation.
She took a canvas and the canvas was a mess.
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I mean, the canvas was like you know one of
those pieces at MoMA. Is that how you call it
sure or the broad or you go in you're like,
what the hell is it? What is this supposed to be?
Why is there a light shining on this? Why is
it even in the room? Why is it out of
the box? And she saw that and she's like, I
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can make real art with this, and then I was, yeah,
I was just putty in her hands. It's supposed to
be a compliment, and I kee, I feel like I'm
messing it up. No, we're really hitting out of the park. Actually. Uh.
Speaker 2 (05:21):
One of these twenty four year olds interviewed for this
article says having or sorry, being swaggy means having confidence,
and that being threatened by that confidence could lead to
a swag gap. If they see your swag as a
threat to their swag, you have a problem. Yeah, I mean,
you don't have to put a dumb label on it
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like that, but but yeah, I mean, clothes can be
a stand in for for whatever. Clothes could be a
stand in not only for your social status actual, but
also what you perceive your social status to be.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Right. I always think like it's not the clothes, Like,
you know, certain people could wear a freaking paper bag
and they would still have the charisma and the swag,
the riz, yeah, all the things. But sometimes I feel
like when people feel like they have to wear all
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the things, it's covering up for something. But the lack
of confidence, I guess.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
Isn't there also the opportunity if you're kind of in
the middle there somewhere, and you're not quite sure where
you want to be swag wise or charisma wise or whatever.
Sometimes dressing the part can help you sure. It can
help make you feel better about stuff, whatever that is,
job interview, big meeting at work, date, meeting somebody for
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the first time, whatever it is.
Speaker 1 (06:49):
You don't want to swing for the fences in that situation.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
No, not necessary, but but you do want to look
like you care enough to put that stuff together right.
Speaker 1 (06:56):
One could argue you wearing the overalls was like a
major move, Like that's a move, Like that's a confidence thing.
Like I'm showing up in overalls to this date because
I know who I am and this is who I am.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
And I'm going back to that first example. This guy
Dylan who shows up in you know, says that he
curated his outfit very carefully. And the woman shows up
in Lululemon leggings. Are you gonna show up in leggings
to a date?
Speaker 1 (07:24):
No? Maybe she's the one who had the confidence. Maybe
she was like, hey, yeah, you're right, what kind of
leggings are we talking about? Are we talking about like
old leggings? Like the elastic is shot on these leggings.
Are these new leggings? They do they look good? And
do they look good? She thinks they do. She does
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because she wore them. Well, I don't know. Maybe she's
just trying to take back her uh her femininity. I
don't know that word. Clearly don't know that word.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
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Speaker 1 (08:03):
Saying goodbye can be very tough. That's why we've decided
to do it here. What well, I'm just what I
mean is to fire me before the holidays, or to
talk about when people say goodbye? I would have at
least done my hair.
Speaker 2 (08:22):
Time magazine have a name for ending an interaction, the
leave taking behavior. How would you describe your leave taking behavior?
I just leave.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
I don't say goodbye to anyone usually ever, I just go.
I've noticed, because if you're gonna say goodbye, you got
to do all the goodbyes. It gets a little laborious, Yeah, repetitive,
too much? And do people really care that you're leaving?
Probably not? Yes, people care that you're leaving. When have
(08:59):
you noticed me doing this? Okay, I'll say this.
Speaker 2 (09:02):
I know I've picked up some physical cues about when
you're ready to go. Okay, some of them are super
obvious and listen. Most of the context I would say
has been business. It's been company related as opposed to
just a social event. But the company related things, you
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make no bones about it. You didn't want to be
there in the first place.
Speaker 1 (09:29):
What like? What like a meeting? That's exactly what I mean.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Nobody wants to be in a meeting. We did an
event one time at Delilah. Do you remember that.
Speaker 1 (09:41):
I remember the event. I don't remember the leaving.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
Well, it was you tried to go out the side
door that they didn't let you go out.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Oh remember that. You're like, I, I'll just go back
to al through the kitchen. That's not ideal. I'll cook
in that kitchen. I I recently left an event where
I left you and I went out a side door. Yeah,
because I saw you going out the main way and
there were a lot of obstacles. I e people to
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say goodbye to and I saw your path and I
thought that's not my path, that is not the path
for me. So I did go out the side door
in that situation.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
So something could have happened to me and you would
not have it and I've been able to help.
Speaker 1 (10:25):
Does it make it better that I did feel bad
about not joining you on the path? No? Oh, well,
how do you say goodbye? What should I do?
Speaker 2 (10:36):
The most important thing, according to Amy Arius, a senior
lecturer of Communication Studies at You and University of That Arena,
don't over explain, don't don't use a bunch of overqualifiers,
don't hedge, don't say.
Speaker 1 (10:51):
It looks like it's about time to go and probably
should be getting going. The dog's probably looking for dinner
right about now. Nobody cares. Gotta let the dogs out.
I hear that all the time from dog. I got
to take the dogs out, got to take the dogs
for a walk, gotta do the dog. I get it.
It's like you can't use your kids for that. And
(11:12):
also we've aged out of having young kids at home,
but like it used to be kids. Oh, we got
to get home the sitter. We got to get home
for the citter. We got to get home. And now
it's dogs and it's like, got to take the dogs
for frog. It's like, okay, I get it, you're leaving.
I don't care. You got to take the dog for
a walk. That's it.
Speaker 2 (11:27):
Just go, don't over explain. Everybody knows. There's a limit.
Everybody knows, especially like if you're if you're hosting friends
of for uh uh or during the week. Yeah, and
everybody's got to go to work the next day. You know,
there's a time. It gets past eight o'clock. You could
go at any time. Now, if the conversation is flowing
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and you don't have a problem, you're not yawning or
something like that, stay as long as you want. That's
but but if somebody decides after a certain time that
they're going to pick up and go, you don't have
to ask why obvious why, So don't over explain. That's
the first part. The second part express gratitude. Thank you
so much for having me. Okay, that's a little wordy Oh.
Speaker 1 (12:10):
I usually say that, I'll say that, I'll say thank
you so much for having me.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
But and I mean it, they said, so. This usually
means a couple of words.
Speaker 1 (12:23):
Amazing, party, that's a lie, amazing, is so overused, had
a blast, a blast overused, such fun something like that.
That is an expression of gratitude. This was great. How
about just saying something that's honest, This was great, This
was super cool. I loved this. I'm leaving like anything. Again,
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I don't have to can't you? Even if to can it,
you have to put it in the can?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
So they said that again, amy Arius. Again, This communications
professor says, as you're saying goodbye, keep it short and sweet.
Two words for each, two words to announce that you're leaving,
why just that you'arly, and then two words to express gratgy.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Do you understand what we're talking about right now? We
are so socially altered that we don't even know how
to say goodbye. We need a freaking owner's manual with
canned responses for good night, everybody, Like, what the hell
is wrong with us? What did COVID break in our
brains where we cannot handle a simple hello or goodbye?
(13:27):
Like we can't figure out how to say hello in
the elevator on our way up here, and we can't
leave a party without just saying thank you goodbye. It's
as simple as that, perfect for words right there. They
have to write articles about how to say.
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Goodbye now, she says, keep your nonverbal behavior in mind
as well, like smile obviously because you're happy for us, nod.
Speaker 1 (13:49):
Your head, you're nont Now that we're talking about behaviors,
I'd like to get into your nonverbal behaviors.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
My favorite is though she says, maybe put your hands
in the air to indicate there's.
Speaker 1 (14:00):
Nothing you can do slipping out lovely gathered. That's silly
if you saw that's like Brian Barry, I don't know,
I don't know. I gotta go. Look at the time.
Speaker 3 (14:15):
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Speaker 1 (14:22):
Well, we have talked for years now, it seems about
all of the DNA testing, KITS twenty three and me
ancestry and the like, and it seems like now people
are trying to get in on some inheritance. Legal cases
are now showing how biological relationships are opening the door
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for inheritance claims. Estate planning lawyers are jumping on top
of this, as you can imagine saying across your t's
dot your eyes. Here is one of the anecdotes that
is highlighted here. Carmen Thomas growing up in Boston. Her
mom told her that her absent dad's name was Joe Brown.
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So when she sent her spit to twenty three and
me in her twenties. She got a match with a Brown,
so she was excited. It turns out Joe Brown, the
man she believed to be her father, had died five
years earlier, but she connected with two likely half six sisters.
They went out for Boba t They had a sleepover
at grandma's. They looked at old family albums. A year later,
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Carmen Thomas is suing the sisters and their mother. She
wants a share of the multi million dollar medical malpractice
award they won after Joe Brown died of an undiagnosed
aortic aneurysm. Wow, after all, her lawyer wrote, she was
his daughter too. What a nightmare? What a freaking nightmare.
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States are now grappling with how to rewrite laws to
address the issue, and lawyers are encouraging people to rethink
their estate plans.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Well, I gotta imagine that there are people who well,
I mean, clearly she's doing this, but there are people
who wouldn't want to have anything to do with an
estranged an estranged parent that you had to find through
twenty three in meters.
Speaker 1 (16:22):
Well, what is your right to any sort of inheritance
just because you have the same DNA? Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:31):
What is that well, because I could easily write both
of my kids out of my trust and will, et
cetera if I wanted.
Speaker 1 (16:40):
To, right But like, if you had a surprise kid
that you made, you know, before you met your wife, sure,
and you died right now and the surprised kid turns up,
would that surprise kid have any right to your things
the way your kids have a right to them? If
your will just said I give everything to my kids, well,
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if they had their names, and what if you didn't
have a will, I guess that's the problem.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
That's that's the big dish, that's the problem your deal. Yeah,
then that's always a problem I have. But one of
the questions that I came up with right away was
at least in Carmen's circumstance, was did.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
He know he had a kid? Does that matter?
Speaker 2 (17:19):
Well kind of, I mean, he didn't I have a
surprise kid? If I had a surprise kid that I
didn't know about, and roll around, you know, twenty eight I'm.
Speaker 1 (17:31):
Trying to figure out how long I've been married, So
I do the matter, try to figure when that surprise
kid popped up?
Speaker 2 (17:36):
So a thirty one year old child, a thirty one
year old rolls up and is like.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Hey, like Elmer. Elmer's thirty three. Yeah, you could have
a kid like Elmer out there, daddy. Oh boy, yeah,
I suppose that's possible. Oh my god, my mom. By
the way, Olmer, this is fun story, really quick slight detour. Diane, Yeah,
so you even know her name better? Is this makes
a story better. We're at my mom's house for a
couple of days before Thanksgiving after Utah, and she's like,
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there's this guy in the show, and like, are you
talking about this guy? I was like, are you talking
about mad or Richie? And she's like, no, it's a
different voice. I'm like Elmer. She's like, yeah, who's Elmer?
I was like whoa? And I took like I had
a problem with it a little bit, like I got
real defensive over you all. I was like, what do
(18:23):
you mean you don't know who Elmer is? And she's like,
he's got kind of a wacky voice. I was like,
it's not wacky. Everyone loves his voice. I got pretty
crazy with Diane over it. But anyway, I said, well,
we need to do a better job of explaining who's
on the show. If you don't know Elmer by this point.
But Elmer, I have an Elmer, So you've got an Elmer.
Speaker 2 (18:46):
I didn't know I had an Elmer, and my wife
obviously didn't know I had an Elmer. Right, But he
rolls into my life or my wife's life if I'm gone.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
He finds out that he's connected by DNA to your
two children, right, And they start having Boba ti because
your daughter likes Boba ti. And they start hanging out,
and Elmer finds out that there's some money come in
their way. He wants in on it. If you don't
have a will, what's his right to that money as
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just somebody who shares your DNA.
Speaker 2 (19:18):
Well, again, if I didn't know, I mean there's a
possibility that he would have an argument. But if I
did know and intentionally cut him out of my life,
I think that's irrelevant. I think it's irrelevant whether you
knew or not. I think you always your problem is
you always get into morality when it comes to legal issues. No, No,
because I was thinking my wife would probably be like, well,
(19:40):
my husband was an idiot for not knowing or not
telling anybody or anything like that. So here's a little
bit of scratch here's twenty bucks. You know, have fun
on the car.
Speaker 1 (19:49):
Right, there's twenty bucks. I don't know. I'm not saying
because I don't think I see what you're saying.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
The moral issue of giving up a child versus having no.
Speaker 1 (20:00):
It's completely irrelevant when it comes to what that child
has a right to financially from your estate.
Speaker 2 (20:05):
I guess they're just going to have to deal with this.
I mean, I'm sure it's been done before. But the
idea now that you can absolutely scientifically prove that you
were a child of that person.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
What a surprise too? Like interesting? Usually though, the only
thing they do say like buck teeth. Well, here's this
article telling me that I'm very wrong. Surprise errors may
have stronger cases if they can show their father supported
or even openly acknowledge them. A brother and sister in
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Utah were fighting over their late father, John's estate, when
the brother reached out to a man he thought might
be their half brother. Their DNA matched. The man's mother
apparently had an affair with John when she worked for him. Ah.
John did not have a will. The man argued his
claim in part by noting that John had sent him
birthday cards with one hundred dollars per years. Ah Utah
(21:02):
Supreme Court ruled the man was entitled to a third
of John's estate, interesting for inheritance purposes. The court said
he had two fathers, the one who raised him and John,
his biological dad.
Speaker 2 (21:15):
I didn't know this, as state planning documents can spell
out whether biological children who aren't known to the family
will inherit over overwriting state definitions of descendants.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
You're gonna want to do that, probably, you know for yours, Well,
you don't want to surprise Elmer tournament. I do.
Speaker 2 (21:33):
Actually, I'm trying to remember because we just did this
not too long ago.
Speaker 1 (21:37):
Antell, that was. I don't need to do that. By
the way, I don't have surprise children, I know, but
I'm trying.
Speaker 2 (21:42):
To remember if it was even if it was even asked. Hey,
like the guy writing the trust is like, Hey, I'm
gonna ask Let me give you a call offline here.
Let me just I'm gonna text you a quick little
question and your wife probably doesn't need to know, But
do you.
Speaker 1 (21:58):
Have any sperm that got away from you? Maybe found
an egg elsewhere, grew into a baby, found an egg elsewhere.
Speaker 3 (22:07):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Last spring, a professor at the Wharton School at the
University of Pennsylvania gave a group of about two hundred
and fifty people a very simple writing assessment assignment Sorry,
share advice with a friend on how to lead a
healthier lifestyle and to come up with tips. Some of
them were allowed to use a traditional Google search.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
This wasn't supposed to, like you, This wasn't something you're
supposed to give one of your friends, right, because that
would go overwell, my friend's like, hey, Shan, here's what
you could do to be healthier. I'd punch her in
the face. I mean, it's a little condescending.
Speaker 2 (22:47):
Well, I assume the prompt was something like, a friend
comes to you and asks for advice on how to
be healthy.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
Here to be healthier?
Speaker 2 (22:55):
Others could so some people could use a traditional Google search,
others had to rely on the summaries of information generated
with Google AI. The people who use the AI generated
summaries wrote advice that was generic. It was obviously, it
was obvious and largely unhelpful, like eat healthy, drink water,
(23:17):
sleep A lot if people have found the information on
a regular Google search shared more nuanced advice about the
pillars of wellness, physical, mental, emotional, health, etc.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
It's funny because everyone knows the common sense things to do,
so it would be hard to not seem like you
were getting it from AI if the topic was as
simple as how to be healthier. Obviously, if you'd right,
move more, drink right.
Speaker 2 (23:42):
But one of the things I think that AI is
doing and doing well is, especially if you are a
regular user of something like chat, shept or grock, it
remembers what you asked before, and if you said something
like you had asked something about the common nation of
drugs that your mother is on, what kind of contraindications
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you needed to watch out for, that will remember that
you have a mother and that she's on certain medications.
So it would then tailor an answer to you and
to your mother specifically.
Speaker 1 (24:15):
So that's one way that brain rot is happening. Short
form videos, which are extremely dominant on social media right now,
are reshaping our brain from TikTok to Instagram rails, YouTube shorts.
This is a cornerstone of every online platform. But the
scientists are finding associations increasingly so between heavy consumption of
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short form video and challenges with focus and self control.
It's early, it's early research, but they say it is
very much so adding to our brain rot.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
This has got to be an offshoot of the same
argument that our parents had in nineteen eighty one when
MTV came along, because of the quick edits and the
you know, the noises and the.
Speaker 1 (25:03):
People and the all of the bikinis, and the review
which was published in My Parents. No, it's funny. I
was just having a conversation on the sideline with somebody
about a particular video. He's your age, a year younger
than you are, and we're going through videos that were
formative in his in his yes, and it was funny
(25:25):
how you can just pick out the ones. It's so
easy to pick out, like Girls, Girls, Girls by Motley Cuyan. Yes,
that was one of them. But anyway, the review that
was published in the Psychological Bulletin shows that there are
links between heavy consumption of these short form videos, not
girls girls, girls, but the little you know, short the
shorts that you watch, and increased symptoms of depression, anxiety, stress,
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and loneliness. So pretty much all the things you get
from your doom scrolling from your scrolling on social media
and you subconsciously comparing and contrasting. That's doing to your
brain what the short videos do as well. And I
think it's a matter of anxiety in your brain of
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what's next. Yes, okay, something's going to hit me quickly,
that's next. What's next, What's next, What's next? Because you're
constantly stimulating your brain, your brain's anxious thinking about, okay,
what's next, as opposed to if you sat down and
read a book for an hour and a half every
day and your brain can chill the f out and
it doesn't think it's going to be bombarded with stimuli
in the next seven seconds.
Speaker 2 (26:32):
I came up with an image, and tell me if
you think this is right. If you're riding a mountain
bike and you're on a trail, just a long trail,
and it's winding and stuff, but it's a continuous trail
as opposed to since you just went hiking in Utah,
as opposed to having fifty feet of a trail, and
then you have to jump and you're falling and falling
(26:53):
until you hit the next mesa or something like that,
and then you're on that mesa for forty or fifty
feet and you have to jump again, and you're falling
and falling and falling in wait oh, and then there's
another mesa that comes up and you can hit that
and ride that for a while. But you're constantly, like
you said, your constant. Your brain is constantly looking for
what the next thing is going.
Speaker 1 (27:14):
Your brain is playing Super Mario Brothers better version. Yes,
that's a better one. That's exactly what you just described.
Though you know you're running, your running, your jumping, your
what's next? What's next? What's next? Your brain? How can
it relax?
Speaker 2 (27:26):
And with each jump though you don't know where the
next platform.
Speaker 1 (27:30):
Is exactly right, good analogy. So the platforms are hidden
and you hope you hit one right. That's why your
brain needs time to calm the f down, Just let
it lie.
Speaker 2 (27:42):
James Jackson is a neuropsychologist at Vanderbilt. So there's a
long history of people crusading against new technologies, cultural phenomena. That's,
like I said, in my formative years, it was my
parents railing, not specifically my parents, our parents railing against
MTV and what kind of brain rot that was going
to cause. Before them, their parents were railing against rock
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and roll and Elvis and the Beatles, and they were
going to cause people to go crazy.
Speaker 1 (28:08):
They want and they were rightly so they want what
you're putting in your brain to have some sort of value, right,
But here's an MTV. In their eyes, it did not
provide that, just like these short videos on YouTube do
not provide any real value to your brain. You're not
learning anything, you're not growing from them. But is there
(28:29):
just is there somewhere their processed foods. That's why they
call brain rot?
Speaker 2 (28:33):
Yeah, is there somewhere down the road a positive that
we don't yet see?
Speaker 1 (28:37):
No, Because like we did this.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
I feel like that's very quick, I know, but we
did the story a few weeks ago where we talked
about the concern in the teens, twenties, and thirties of
the twentieth century was new technology was going to make
us all dumb. Radio TV was going to make us
all dumb, when in fact, our IQ on average went
up like three points every decade and we were able
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to get smarter and smarter because the information was so
much more available to so many more people. I wonder
if there is some benefit to this in the future
of I mean, I hate the idea, and trust me,
I don't like. I don't like the idea that our
brains are now conditioned to seven seconds and shut off
(29:22):
and find something else. But maybe there is a positive
aspect to it one hundred years from now that we go, oh,
it's a good thing.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
We had vine so you think we had Instagram reels.
I would offer this stick to listening to this show
because we are human, we are not AI, and we're
here for four hours. We're a way of feeding your brain.
That is it.
Speaker 2 (29:41):
That is the greatest sales pitch for this show I
think I've ever heard. That's quite The Elevator logged one.
Speaker 1 (29:46):
Pretty good about it, got pretty good about it.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Well there it is another portion of the show that
apparently Ritchie and Elmer and Matt and all the producers
and everybody in the background, they all thought that that
was some of the best of I guess giddy up
with this. Well, wow, exactly. Gary and Shannon will continue.
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show. You
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