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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
How does that Christmas hangover feel?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I think it feels nice. I think everybody had a
wonderful time with the family. And if you didn't, there's
always next year. Maybe if everyone's.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Still with us, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hopefully the weather clears up so we can have a
nice weekend to get rid of all the wrapping paper
that is now accumulated in our garbage.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Can we are not here? No, we are here with
our hearts.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We are not here technically, but we are here with
our hearts on this day after Kwanza.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Did you know that? I says it right here on
the iPhone. Quite assumed that's when it's all day. It's
not just a four hour, six hour thing.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
One of the stories you covered when you came to
La was Kwansa.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
No, that was like late nineties. What is Kwansa? Like
it happened? I believe it originated, Well, it didn't originate
but Long Beach, Long Beach State.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh that's where it originated.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, okay, yeah, it's there's there's no long, multi generational
history with it.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I mean it is now multi generational.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
But sit this one out, I will, I will. I
heard that now I hear it.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, you're right, I kind of hear that. It's all just.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Doesn't have a history. Well, I mean, like me, I
go back to Germany. Northern Europeans know a lot about Kwanza.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Let me tell you. Okay, No, you're right, I hear it. Yes,
it is.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's the beginning of Kwanza. It's also boxing day up, yeah,
which is something.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
A little bit more.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
They do they hit each other.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
No, I think it's literally boxes like they talk about
because it's Christmas.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Kind of a boring people, are they?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Oh yeah, a holiday for boxes.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now, what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I don't know the history of boxing.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
They just give each other boxes on Christmas, which is
not about I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You gotta do something with all them presents or the
wrapping riff raff that you left a We're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
The shower, We're gonna do this.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So I wanted to say something about December twenty sixth
because we've both worked many, many, many many holidays. Because
when you work in an industry that we work in,
especially when you're starting out, you have to volunteer to
work the holidays. That's how you get a leg up,
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that's how you get in the good graces with your
boss or your coworkers or whatever. And sometimes there are
events that take place, and if we're in the news business,
we've had to cover big events that take place on holidays.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Lacy Peterson's disappearance. I was working after Christmas.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
There was a Thanksgiving up in Seattle where a bus
flew off of a bridge.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
It's always great news, guys, it's always It's never like,
you know, I covered Octamom and her birthing those babies. Sure,
but you don't get that the day after Christmas. You
get missing moms, pregnant moms, you get bus disasters. It's
never good, never good.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So that's I mean, that's one of the things that
happens after Christmas. But there's also the it's sort of
a continuation of the Black Friday coverage that you see
right after Thanksgiving. Now it's different now than it was,
say twenty years ago, where twenty years ago, on December
twenty sixth, you'd go out to a large retail store
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whatever it was, a Target, a Walmart, like that miss
those days and you would talk to people who were
returning gifts.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I don't miss those days of going out to the
parking lot, especially in the cold and the rain of Seattle,
and you know you're out there at four am. You
got to be live at five to talk about the
hordes of people that are lining up outside of amrvins
or whatever. And it's so cold, and you feel so dumb,
and the you think the people are so dumb because
you're also working in radio and you don't have enough
(03:45):
money to buy things a little like shop after Christmas whatever,
like that big screen TV. Yeah you can dream about it,
but you're never going to have it. And so you're
like talking to these people, these rabid shoppers, and just
like this sucks and it's cold, and and.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Then you got to sit. That was the other You
sit in your truck or.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Your car truck the whole morning, that shopping mall. I
think that's still why I don't like shopping. Like I'm
not a shopper. I cannot go to a shopping mall
and spend more than seven minutes. I just can't do it.
And so this is probably why I do miss the
coverage on television, however, of the people, the sweet mothers,
(04:24):
the grandmothers, nay great grandmothers who will fight each other
over said Teddy ruckspin or giant screen TV like ladies
who will throw right hooks for this s.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well, you've shopped for kids before. That can be a
very powerful thing. I mean it just in terms of
if if a kid says they want something and they
have their heart set on it, you as an adult
try to I never did that.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I never did that. I shocked for my nephews, but
I never asked them what they want. I just go
find stuff for them and they better like it. And
if you don't like you know, that's where I come from.
And if you don't like it, you don't like it,
then that's too bad. Few people, right, I wouldn't say
few people to my nephew. Why not, now I would?
They're old enough to hear that. I still wouldn't say that.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The other the other aspect of it is people returning gifts.
On the twenty sixth, yeah, I always I have a
hard time returning gifts. I don't say any kind, even
if it's the wrong size, had.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Return like I have a hard time returning stuff in
real life for myself, Like if I order something it's
not the right size or whatever, it takes me a
couple of months to make that happen because I'm a procrastinator.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, which is awful, but I just I think it
stems from my parents would have thought it was rude.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, well it is. I mean no, no, I.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Mean I'm talking about even if it's the wrong size,
I'm like, I could make it work.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I don't have a problem with regifting, by the way,
like taking something and giving it to Like if somebody
can use it more than I can, why not?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Right, Well, you don't have an emotional Well it depends
I guess where you got it from or what it is.
But it's not like you have an emotional connection to
it necessarily.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It's not like it's the quilt that your ex girlfriend's
mom gave you that you kept on your marital bed
for years.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, well we know I got it. Hold on, second,
I got rid of that before we got married. Just
to be clear.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, that's a lie, A lie. I think I know
you did it. Let's not lie in the new year. Okay,
all right, so here's the deal. We're out today. Obviously,
but you're gonna hear something great. You're gonna they're gonna
break my balls the entire shelf. You're gonna hear some some.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Best of We do have an original gas fantasy for
play coming up in the twelve o'clock hour, so that
you can play along with us as we get into
the weekend.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
By the way, my jaw still.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Hurts from yawning during those Christmas Day games.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
What a slog.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But anyway, we'll pick these four games that's coming up
at twelve twenty so you can play along with us
as we get closer to the end of this NFL season,
and it's going to be an exciting time.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So what if the games were really good? Like what
if like I don't know, what if something happened. I'm
sure that what if Troy Aikman came back and played
for the card Markers or something.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Our crack technical team will adjust it.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
And okay, sorry, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on
demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
We did an event where Gary nipples were on display
for hundreds of listeners.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
Nice, so we've all seen them. I missed that I
missed the Bigfoot reveal.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
So she did.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
He'll show you one right now if you want, you
want to show.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Them not here it's Christmas?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Was that asking Christmas?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
What is that? We'll do it later.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Michael Year has joined us here on the Gary and
Shannon Show. There is a push now mayor is asking
the city for a what amounts to it feels like
a sliver of money to keep the LAPD on track
in terms of hiring.
Speaker 8 (08:10):
It's a sliver of money when you think of how
large the city budget is, but it's a sliver of
money that has not been appropriated. We go through a
budget process every single late spring, early summer. The budget
has to be approved and adopted by the end of June.
The fiscal year starts on July one does that every year.
Everyone involved in this story knows this. The mayor proposes
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a budget, the city Council holds a bunch of budget hearings,
the departments are all operated in, including the LAPD. Everyone
has their wish list, their concerns, and then a budget
is crafted and adopted. This budget was crafted and adopted,
allowing the LAPD to hire about two hundred and fifty officers.
But as we talked on this very program, just a
couple of months ago, the LAPD showed up at a
(08:52):
budget committee meeting after this budget was already in place
and said we're bringing on four hundred and ten officers,
and the budget was like, wait a second, this was
not appropriated. Regardless of whether you agree that you need
more police officers in the LAPD, there is a process,
and this process has not been followed and the asterisk
(09:14):
on this particular story. Mayor Bass puts out this letter
yes a late Wednesday night saying I need the council
to approve more than four million dollars so we can
get the full four hundred and ten or the LAPD
will have to stop hiring.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
January one.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
Chief McDonald comes out late yesterday afternoons basically says the
same thing, and the council will now have to figure
this out. The mayor promised during the budget process, after
they reached a compromise on the number officers, that they
would allow that they would work together to find the
full amount to bring on the full number desired by
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the LAPD, the full four hundred and ten. That didn't happen,
and now here we are at the end of the
year and there's a lot of finger pointing and a
lot of crying and a lot of worrying about what's
going to happen. But no one in all of the
months since July one has done anything about this.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
And the thing is is, it's not like these are
novice politicians. These are people who have been in the
budget game for years that know. And it must be
exhausting to go through the dog and pony show every
time a budget needs to be approved and the you know,
the the jockeying and the fluffing and all the things
you have to do. It's awful, but it does have
(10:27):
to be done right. That's why we have protocols in place. Now,
what is this I hear about Jim McDonald's saying we're
not even going to have an academy class.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
That's exactly what this is.
Speaker 8 (10:34):
Because when you hire a police officer, it's not like
they get in the cruiser and start driving around town.
You're hired and then you have to go to the academy, right,
And they do these new recruit classes every single month,
and they've been doing them. They have not been at
the numbers that they have wanted for years now. But
because of this situation, if they don't get this immediate
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injection of more than four million dollars, they will not
have a January class US and the department's numbers will
fall to about eighty three hundred sworn officers for the
first time in decade.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Wow, and they want ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, they've said that for years, as long as I've
been in LA, They've said ten thousand is the would
be a goal for a fully staffed LA Police Department.
Speaker 8 (11:19):
And we already know living here that people who live
in certain neighborhoods that have had spikes and burglaries over
the past couple of years, that the response time is
not what you want it to be. There's already that
basic struggle. But we have major events coming, including next
year the World Cup will be our first test.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Oh, it's Olympics.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
A coming complete disaster between the World Cup and the Olympics.
Maybe not, maybe, maybe it all goes super smooth, but
I see no signs of it, of smooth sailing ahead.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
I don't know how anyone could put their trust in
the city to do anything.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
Now, by the way, I keep bringing this up, I
heart on it for months leading up to this vote,
and it's significantly relevant here the city had a billion
dollar budget deficit that had it was basing a layoff
of sixteen hundred city workers. They saved every one of
those jobs, including in the police department. No sworn personnel
were on the shopping block, but people that the departments
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that are critical to investigations, forensics types, those people, it's
not just people answering phones. They saved all those jobs,
which they still have to pay for eventually. Yeah, and
they approved this multi billion dollar expansion of the convention
Center in downtown LA, which they will have to start
paying in the next budget cycle. They're going to have
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to find somewhere between eighty and two hundred million dollars
every year for the next thirty years, on top of
the ongoing and existing budget problems they have.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
That was a choice.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well, it's a good thing that I could become an
lap the officer just day one. No academy training is there,
Give me the cruiser and there's no don't say it.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
What Oh, I thought you were going to make an
age reference.
Speaker 9 (12:56):
I was that I was going to ask because we've
talked with Chief your guys is Denia, It's not that's
your number one issue. Raised a good question and I
think Chief MacDonald said there is no there's no ceiling
on age for new recruits for LPD.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yes, there is, there is a ceiling. There is thirty five.
I think. I think it's like being a president of
the United States, is the other way?
Speaker 8 (13:24):
Well, they have one thing that they do have is
they've already extended these offers to people that are not
budgeted to go into this recruiting class. And if this
class doesn't happen, those people will go to other departments.
See police officers too.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
There is no maximum, there's the lap does not impose
a maximum for the academy to apply or work as
an LPD office.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
What was that eighties series Police Academy? There was a
lot of randos. Thats Joama.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
What was that show in the eighties about the police academy?
Speaker 7 (13:57):
The LAPD? You mean the one called police that one
Steve Guttenberg. Welcome to the room of dumbasses.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
So you're saying Steve Gutenberg even now and is what
I would imagine it is his sixties, sixty seventies.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah he could be an lap D officer.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Good?
Speaker 8 (14:14):
How old is Steve Gutenberg? We didn't get enough of
him after the eighties. Yeah, yeah, sixty seven.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
There's a show called The Rookie Sorry about like a
middle aged guy that becomes a cop too. It's a
narrow way.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Yeah, there's also Elmore always sounds like his head is
on a pillow.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I know it like soothing.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You should hear his meditation.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Does he do it?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, he's starting his own meditation.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Like I would subscribe to that.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
It's really good.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I would download Elmore really good.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, Like I hope he sticks with it.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
It's here.
Speaker 8 (14:52):
This has been a revolting conversation. Thank you, Michael, my pleasures.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
For one of the tech journalists and producers that we
pay attention to to talk more about it, David Immel
is actually a co host of the Waveform podcast and
also producer for the YouTube channel MKBHD talks all about
technology and innovation, et cetera, and David is joining us
now with more.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
David, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (15:23):
How's it going? Thanks for bringing me on.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, I'm glad to meet you. I've been a fan.
I've read some of your stuff. I like the attitude,
the idea that AI, of course, is going to be
involved in just about everything that we do in the
next couple of years. But we'll get to the general
AI discussion later. I want to go through some of
the things that you think might make great gifts as
we get into the holiday season technology wise.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Sure, So you know what's been funny this year is
I think the things that are slowing me down a
little bit more or that are kind of getting me
off of all of the technology, have been better. Things
that I've been consuming e read are really great gifts
right now. There is a particular one called the Books
Palma two that is from a company called Books. You
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can find them online and it's the size of a smartphone,
so it fits in your pocket in the same way
that your phone does, but it can run your kindle.
It can run pretty much any eReader type app Libby.
If you have a library card, you can download free
audiobooks and ebooks from your library straight onto it.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
But it does run androids.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
So if you need to be able to access things
like Spotify, if you want to listen to music while
you're reading, or if you need to look something up
on the Internet. I just think that that's a really
good gift. Something else, the Aura frame. There's this company
called Aura that makes smart frames, and smart frames are
not a new concept. They've definitely been around for quite
a while. But these are great because they come with
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very long cables.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
They have about.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Thirty day battery life or sorry, three month battery life,
which is much longer. You can photos directly to the frame,
so if you're setting it up for a family member,
you can just text new photos to a specific phone
number and it'll automatically start rotating those photos on the frame.
We are really nice.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I've seen those.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
We actually bought one from my parents probably ten years ago,
but we had to upload on a thumb drive and
keep that thing stuck in there. Now you're saying you
can update them regularly, yes.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
One hundred percent, So there are both. There are a
couple of ways you can add You can add photos
through the app, or if your parent takes a photo
or your kid takes a photo, you can now just
text to a specific phone number and it'll automatically add
it to the library of rotating photos.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
So those are that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, let's see. That is one of those good improvements
when it comes to technology. On something that's been around
for a while.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yes, yes, exactly, definitely definitely just like updating with more
cloud infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So what else? What else is going on in terms
of gifts?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Oh, man, I guess it sort of depends on who
you're buying for. If you're buying for a younger person.
I've been really into these emulator devices, which are basically
a little micro computers that can play old video games.
The company an Urnick A N B E R N
I see, they make really really cool little handheld devices.
They only cost like seventy dollars, but they can play
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pretty much every video game console up to like PlayStation
two on them. So if you either know someone who
is very nostalgic for those consoles and wants to be
playing them again later on, or if you have a
younger kid who you want to, like, you know, engage
in your childhood or the things that you were into,
those are really great gifts. They come in very a
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bunch of different screen sizes and shapes too, and again
they're like all under one hundred bucks, so they're like
pretty solid gifts.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Sure, that's one of those things.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
There used to be probably about ten years ago, there
would be I don't even know if you're old enough
to know what the Atari twenty six hundred was, but
the old joy stand and the the Ooystick itself was
the computer that you could just hook up to a
TV with Little LARCAA or whatever it was, and you
could play some of those old games. This sounds like
that on steroids, and I would.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I would.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Part of the reason I would love that is because
I played all those games as a kid, but when
my son grew up, all of his games were way
too advanced for me, and that this might bring us
back to some some level playing field when it comes
to picking up these games and having some sort of competition.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Oh definitely.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
And what's cool about them too is that they have
much improved screens. You know, so instead of like playing
on an old game Boy Advance or like a game
Boy Color, you're playing like a much more modern LCD
display or even an o LED display. They have arm processors,
so similar processors that are going into your phone, so
it can emulate games pretty much no problem, from pretty
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much up until PlayStation two or even a little bit later.
And they do that seamlessly, so super easy. The last
big thing that I wanted to shout out. There's a
company called fair Phone, which they make very sustainable technology products,
so they make phones that are very repairable that you
can you know, you can replace the better you can
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replace the camera modules, you can replace the USB.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Sport, all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
But they just release some overear headphones called the fair
Buds XL and they've They're a French company that has
been selling in Europe for quite a while, but they
just announced last week that they are coming to America
via Amazon in the next month or so, so they'll
both be selling their phone as well as their headphones
on there. I've been using their new headphones for a
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couple of months now and they're very comfortable. They sound great,
and I just really like that you can six and
repair every little segment of them. So if the speaker
driver breaks, you can just buy new speaker drivers to
put in them. If they release a new version of
them have better speakers, you can buy those speakers and
put them in in your headphone, so you don't have
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to just keep buying new stuff all the time.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
It would be a great business model if it if
others catch on to that. So we're talking with David
it technology journalists. When we come back, can we I'd
love to ask you more general questions about AI and
where we're.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Going with that.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Sure, I'm sure we can do that.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
David Doll stick around for here just a second. Gary
and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
David imml is a tech journalist. You see him as
a producer on the mkabhd YouTube channel co host of
the Waveform podcast. We're talking about some of the headlines
when it comes to AI. Specifically, big story that came
out yesterday means a lot here in Hollywood is that
Disney has teamed up with Open Ai because they're going
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to allow a bunch of people to use a bunch
of character couple hundred Disney trademarked character in these little
Sora videos that are that you can make. When you
saw this, how did this news strike you?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Really not surprising at all.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
The thing about these AI companies is that they've been
scraping all of this information without permission for the last
three years now. So really all that's happening here is
that Disney probably kind of lawyered up and went to
open ai and said, hey, we need to figure something
out because we know that everybody's doing this, but we
need to figure out a way for it to work for.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Both of us.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
The day after that they made that announcement with open ai,
they actually, sorry Disney actually sued Google for the exact
same thing.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
So what they're pretty much doing is.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
They're like, all right, we know that all the AI
companies are going to be doing this, we need to
get our end of the bargain out of it. And
now they're basically just trying to get Google to do
the exact same thing that open Ai did for them.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Is do you think this is kind of the future
of these deals, these types of deals like this because
a I mean, I think it's The New York Times
has also sued because of the potential or because they
believe that these companies have gone back and scraped their
information without uh, without paying attention to copyright issues.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, so this is kind of the big question mark.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
There is no way to actually look inside the training
data and see what is in the training data. The
only way that you can be for sure that something
is in that training data is that it produces your
likeness or your character. Right, if you can go on
Opening Eye Sora and say Mickey Mouse, you know, going
on a beach vacation, and it produces Mickey Mouse exactly.
(23:44):
You know that Mickey Mouse was in the training data.
So it's pretty obvious that these companies have been scraping
the entire Internet, and there is all there are all
these arguments about oh well, if I can read it
with my eyes, then why I can't a machine read it?
But that's exactly what copyright is. I think in the
future you're going to see a lot of these giant
companies going to open AI, going to Google and saying, hey,
(24:07):
we need to work out a deal here, because we
know you're not going to stop doing this, but we
can make this work for both of us.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
How often do you use AI in your work?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Just about never good good.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
The thing that I believe, yeah, the thing that I
believe is a bit of a misdemeanor that is being
sold to everybody is that AI is changing the infrastructure
of the Internet and that we are interfacing with computers
a little bit differently.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
You know, you're using.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Natural language to engage with things. Now Google is trying
to make an answer machine plenty of people are moving
over to chad apt instead of using Google. But this
kind of notion that that AI is going to be
in your life and you're going to have to use
it is really just these companies trying to push their
products to actually get people to use them so they
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can be profitable.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
You know, open Ai has burned more capital than.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Uber, Tesla, Netflix combined before they actually became profitable, and
more than the third of the US economy is currently
being propped up by AI companies. So if they don't
show a profit within the next couple of years, a
lot of those investors are kind of come singing, and
we're going to go into recession.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
So these these companies are very.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Anxious that they need to actually make AI happen, but
in order to do that, they have to convince everyone
that it's actually going to be something they have to use.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
That just isn't true.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And that's probably the best explanation of what I've I've
been hearing a lot of fluff about the potential for
an AI bubble to burst, but that your explanation of
it as probably the simplified version of it, as opposed
to something I'd find in Wall Street Journal or CNBC.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Yeah, you know, they'll they'll have a lot of how
the information on the edges there. I just think at
the end of the day, if you're being told you
have to use this, you have to learn this, it's
the future. It's just because they want you to use
their product. But like the infrastructure is really the only
thing that is shifting. And at the end of the day,
things like this Disney deal. You know, Bob Biger said, oh,
(26:11):
now we're going to put Sora videos on Disney Plus.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
It's like, can anyone actually show me any.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Value there besides making slot videos. You know, Bob Iger
has an incentive to say that Disney is highly invested
in artificial intelligence because it makes his stock go up.
And that happens for every corporation. If you say that
you're an AI company, your stock will go up. There
are plenty of companies that basically do nothing AI related.
Or we're already doing machine learning, which is what we
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called AI before AI.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Became a buzzword.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Who have been doing that forever and now they're calling
it artificial intelligence, or they're trying to find ways to
slam in generative AI into their products. But at the
end of the day, all that's doing is taking away
jobs from people like people in Hollywood. So I don't
think it's really good for anyone except the billionaires that
are lining their.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Pocketbooks lead through David. Thanks for your time today, appreciated. Yeah,
no problem, David Imil again tech journalist. You can follow
him on Twitter if you wish. Uh Dervid imil d
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but dervit and you get it.
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
How does that Christmas hangover feel?
Speaker 1 (00:14):
I think it feels nice. I think everybody had a
wonderful time with the family. And if you didn't, there's
always next year. Maybe if everyone's.
Speaker 3 (00:21):
Still with us, we'll see.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
Hopefully the weather clears up so we can have a
nice weekend to get rid of all the wrapping paper
that is now accumulated in our garbage.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Can we are not here? No, we are here with
our hearts.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
We are not here technically, but we are here with
our hearts on this day after Kwanza.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Did you know that? I says it right here on
the iPhone. Quite assumed that's when it's all day. It's
not just a four hour, six hour thing.
Speaker 4 (00:45):
Is that?
Speaker 3 (00:45):
One of the stories you covered when you came to
La was Kwansa.
Speaker 1 (00:48):
No, that was like late nineties. What is Kwansa? Like
it happened? I believe it originated, Well, it didn't originate
but Long Beach, Long Beach State.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
Oh that's where it originated.
Speaker 2 (00:59):
Yeah, okay, yeah, it's there's there's no long, multi generational
history with it.
Speaker 3 (01:04):
I mean it is now multi generational.
Speaker 1 (01:06):
But sit this one out, I will, I will. I
heard that now I hear it.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Yeah, you're right, I kind of hear that. It's all just.
Speaker 1 (01:16):
Doesn't have a history. Well, I mean, like me, I
go back to Germany. Northern Europeans know a lot about Kwanza.
Speaker 3 (01:27):
Let me tell you. Okay, No, you're right, I hear it. Yes,
it is.
Speaker 2 (01:31):
It's the beginning of Kwanza. It's also boxing day up, yeah,
which is something.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
A little bit more.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
They do they hit each other.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
No, I think it's literally boxes like they talk about
because it's Christmas.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Kind of a boring people, are they?
Speaker 3 (01:45):
Oh yeah, a holiday for boxes.
Speaker 1 (01:47):
Now, what are we doing here?
Speaker 3 (01:48):
I don't know the history of boxing.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
They just give each other boxes on Christmas, which is
not about I mean.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
You gotta do something with all them presents or the
wrapping riff raff that you left a We're gonna do.
Speaker 1 (01:59):
The shower, We're gonna do this.
Speaker 5 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
So I wanted to say something about December twenty sixth
because we've both worked many, many, many many holidays. Because
when you work in an industry that we work in,
especially when you're starting out, you have to volunteer to
work the holidays. That's how you get a leg up,
(02:20):
that's how you get in the good graces with your
boss or your coworkers or whatever. And sometimes there are
events that take place, and if we're in the news business,
we've had to cover big events that take place on holidays.
Speaker 1 (02:33):
Lacy Peterson's disappearance. I was working after Christmas.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
There was a Thanksgiving up in Seattle where a bus
flew off of a bridge.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
It's always great news, guys, it's always It's never like,
you know, I covered Octamom and her birthing those babies. Sure,
but you don't get that the day after Christmas. You
get missing moms, pregnant moms, you get bus disasters. It's
never good, never good.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
So that's I mean, that's one of the things that
happens after Christmas. But there's also the it's sort of
a continuation of the Black Friday coverage that you see
right after Thanksgiving. Now it's different now than it was,
say twenty years ago, where twenty years ago, on December
twenty sixth, you'd go out to a large retail store
(03:17):
whatever it was, a Target, a Walmart, like that miss
those days and you would talk to people who were
returning gifts.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
I don't miss those days of going out to the
parking lot, especially in the cold and the rain of Seattle,
and you know you're out there at four am. You
got to be live at five to talk about the
hordes of people that are lining up outside of amrvins
or whatever. And it's so cold, and you feel so dumb,
and the you think the people are so dumb because
you're also working in radio and you don't have enough
(03:45):
money to buy things a little like shop after Christmas whatever,
like that big screen TV. Yeah you can dream about it,
but you're never going to have it. And so you're
like talking to these people, these rabid shoppers, and just
like this sucks and it's cold, and and.
Speaker 3 (04:00):
Then you got to sit. That was the other You
sit in your truck or.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
Your car truck the whole morning, that shopping mall. I
think that's still why I don't like shopping. Like I'm
not a shopper. I cannot go to a shopping mall
and spend more than seven minutes. I just can't do it.
And so this is probably why I do miss the
coverage on television, however, of the people, the sweet mothers,
(04:24):
the grandmothers, nay great grandmothers who will fight each other
over said Teddy ruckspin or giant screen TV like ladies
who will throw right hooks for this s.
Speaker 2 (04:39):
Well, you've shopped for kids before. That can be a
very powerful thing. I mean it just in terms of
if if a kid says they want something and they
have their heart set on it, you as an adult
try to I never did that.
Speaker 1 (04:55):
I never did that. I shocked for my nephews, but
I never asked them what they want. I just go
find stuff for them and they better like it. And
if you don't like you know, that's where I come from.
And if you don't like it, you don't like it,
then that's too bad. Few people, right, I wouldn't say
few people to my nephew. Why not, now I would?
They're old enough to hear that. I still wouldn't say that.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
The other the other aspect of it is people returning gifts.
On the twenty sixth, yeah, I always I have a
hard time returning gifts. I don't say any kind, even
if it's the wrong size, had.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
Return like I have a hard time returning stuff in
real life for myself, Like if I order something it's
not the right size or whatever, it takes me a
couple of months to make that happen because I'm a procrastinator.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
Well, which is awful, but I just I think it
stems from my parents would have thought it was rude.
Speaker 1 (05:49):
Yeah, well it is. I mean no, no, I.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
Mean I'm talking about even if it's the wrong size,
I'm like, I could make it work.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
I don't have a problem with regifting, by the way,
like taking something and giving it to Like if somebody
can use it more than I can, why not?
Speaker 2 (06:07):
Right, Well, you don't have an emotional Well it depends
I guess where you got it from or what it is.
But it's not like you have an emotional connection to
it necessarily.
Speaker 1 (06:15):
It's not like it's the quilt that your ex girlfriend's
mom gave you that you kept on your marital bed
for years.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Yeah, well we know I got it. Hold on, second,
I got rid of that before we got married. Just
to be clear.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
Yeah, that's a lie, A lie. I think I know
you did it. Let's not lie in the new year. Okay,
all right, so here's the deal. We're out today. Obviously,
but you're gonna hear something great. You're gonna they're gonna
break my balls the entire shelf. You're gonna hear some some.
Speaker 2 (06:51):
Best of We do have an original gas fantasy for
play coming up in the twelve o'clock hour, so that
you can play along with us as we get into
the weekend.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
By the way, my jaw still.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Hurts from yawning during those Christmas Day games.
Speaker 3 (07:05):
What a slog.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
But anyway, we'll pick these four games that's coming up
at twelve twenty so you can play along with us
as we get closer to the end of this NFL season,
and it's going to be an exciting time.
Speaker 1 (07:16):
So what if the games were really good? Like what
if like I don't know, what if something happened. I'm
sure that what if Troy Aikman came back and played
for the card Markers or something.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Our crack technical team will adjust it.
Speaker 6 (07:26):
And okay, sorry, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on
demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:35):
We did an event where Gary nipples were on display
for hundreds of listeners.
Speaker 7 (07:42):
Nice, so we've all seen them. I missed that I
missed the Bigfoot reveal.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
So she did.
Speaker 1 (07:46):
He'll show you one right now if you want, you
want to show.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Them not here it's Christmas?
Speaker 1 (07:49):
Was that asking Christmas?
Speaker 3 (07:51):
What is that? We'll do it later.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
Michael Year has joined us here on the Gary and
Shannon Show. There is a push now mayor is asking
the city for a what amounts to it feels like
a sliver of money to keep the LAPD on track
in terms of hiring.
Speaker 8 (08:10):
It's a sliver of money when you think of how
large the city budget is, but it's a sliver of
money that has not been appropriated. We go through a
budget process every single late spring, early summer. The budget
has to be approved and adopted by the end of June.
The fiscal year starts on July one does that every year.
Everyone involved in this story knows this. The mayor proposes
(08:32):
a budget, the city Council holds a bunch of budget hearings,
the departments are all operated in, including the LAPD. Everyone
has their wish list, their concerns, and then a budget
is crafted and adopted. This budget was crafted and adopted,
allowing the LAPD to hire about two hundred and fifty officers.
But as we talked on this very program, just a
couple of months ago, the LAPD showed up at a
(08:52):
budget committee meeting after this budget was already in place
and said we're bringing on four hundred and ten officers,
and the budget was like, wait a second, this was
not appropriated. Regardless of whether you agree that you need
more police officers in the LAPD, there is a process,
and this process has not been followed and the asterisk
(09:14):
on this particular story. Mayor Bass puts out this letter
yes a late Wednesday night saying I need the council
to approve more than four million dollars so we can
get the full four hundred and ten or the LAPD
will have to stop hiring.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
January one.
Speaker 8 (09:28):
Chief McDonald comes out late yesterday afternoons basically says the
same thing, and the council will now have to figure
this out. The mayor promised during the budget process, after
they reached a compromise on the number officers, that they
would allow that they would work together to find the
full amount to bring on the full number desired by
(09:49):
the LAPD, the full four hundred and ten. That didn't happen,
and now here we are at the end of the
year and there's a lot of finger pointing and a
lot of crying and a lot of worrying about what's
going to happen. But no one in all of the
months since July one has done anything about this.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
And the thing is is, it's not like these are
novice politicians. These are people who have been in the
budget game for years that know. And it must be
exhausting to go through the dog and pony show every
time a budget needs to be approved and the you know,
the the jockeying and the fluffing and all the things
you have to do. It's awful, but it does have
(10:27):
to be done right. That's why we have protocols in place. Now,
what is this I hear about Jim McDonald's saying we're
not even going to have an academy class.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
That's exactly what this is.
Speaker 8 (10:34):
Because when you hire a police officer, it's not like
they get in the cruiser and start driving around town.
You're hired and then you have to go to the academy, right,
And they do these new recruit classes every single month,
and they've been doing them. They have not been at
the numbers that they have wanted for years now. But
because of this situation, if they don't get this immediate
(10:55):
injection of more than four million dollars, they will not
have a January class US and the department's numbers will
fall to about eighty three hundred sworn officers for the
first time in decade.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
Wow, and they want ten thousand.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
Yeah, they've said that for years, as long as I've
been in LA, They've said ten thousand is the would
be a goal for a fully staffed LA Police Department.
Speaker 8 (11:19):
And we already know living here that people who live
in certain neighborhoods that have had spikes and burglaries over
the past couple of years, that the response time is
not what you want it to be. There's already that
basic struggle. But we have major events coming, including next
year the World Cup will be our first test.
Speaker 3 (11:36):
Oh, it's Olympics.
Speaker 1 (11:37):
A coming complete disaster between the World Cup and the Olympics.
Maybe not, maybe, maybe it all goes super smooth, but
I see no signs of it, of smooth sailing ahead.
Speaker 8 (11:46):
I don't know how anyone could put their trust in
the city to do anything.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 8 (11:51):
Now, by the way, I keep bringing this up, I
heart on it for months leading up to this vote,
and it's significantly relevant here the city had a billion
dollar budget deficit that had it was basing a layoff
of sixteen hundred city workers. They saved every one of
those jobs, including in the police department. No sworn personnel
were on the shopping block, but people that the departments
(12:11):
that are critical to investigations, forensics types, those people, it's
not just people answering phones. They saved all those jobs,
which they still have to pay for eventually. Yeah, and
they approved this multi billion dollar expansion of the convention
Center in downtown LA, which they will have to start
paying in the next budget cycle. They're going to have
(12:33):
to find somewhere between eighty and two hundred million dollars
every year for the next thirty years, on top of
the ongoing and existing budget problems they have.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
That was a choice.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
Well, it's a good thing that I could become an
lap the officer just day one. No academy training is there,
Give me the cruiser and there's no don't say it.
Speaker 3 (12:54):
What Oh, I thought you were going to make an
age reference.
Speaker 9 (12:56):
I was that I was going to ask because we've
talked with Chief your guys is Denia, It's not that's
your number one issue. Raised a good question and I
think Chief MacDonald said there is no there's no ceiling
on age for new recruits for LPD.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yes, there is, there is a ceiling. There is thirty five.
I think. I think it's like being a president of
the United States, is the other way?
Speaker 8 (13:24):
Well, they have one thing that they do have is
they've already extended these offers to people that are not
budgeted to go into this recruiting class. And if this
class doesn't happen, those people will go to other departments.
See police officers too.
Speaker 2 (13:39):
There is no maximum, there's the lap does not impose
a maximum for the academy to apply or work as
an LPD office.
Speaker 8 (13:46):
What was that eighties series Police Academy? There was a
lot of randos. Thats Joama.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
What was that show in the eighties about the police academy?
Speaker 7 (13:57):
The LAPD? You mean the one called police that one
Steve Guttenberg. Welcome to the room of dumbasses.
Speaker 8 (14:04):
So you're saying Steve Gutenberg even now and is what
I would imagine it is his sixties, sixty seventies.
Speaker 3 (14:09):
Yeah he could be an lap D officer.
Speaker 5 (14:11):
Sure?
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Why not?
Speaker 5 (14:12):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (14:13):
Good?
Speaker 8 (14:14):
How old is Steve Gutenberg? We didn't get enough of
him after the eighties. Yeah, yeah, sixty seven.
Speaker 3 (14:21):
There's a show called The Rookie Sorry about like a
middle aged guy that becomes a cop too. It's a
narrow way.
Speaker 8 (14:27):
Yeah, there's also Elmore always sounds like his head is
on a pillow.
Speaker 1 (14:33):
I know it like soothing.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
You should hear his meditation.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
Does he do it?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah, he's starting his own meditation.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
Like I would subscribe to that.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
It's really good.
Speaker 3 (14:45):
I would download Elmore really good.
Speaker 1 (14:47):
Yeah, Like I hope he sticks with it.
Speaker 5 (14:51):
It's here.
Speaker 8 (14:52):
This has been a revolting conversation. Thank you, Michael, my pleasures.
Speaker 6 (14:56):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
For one of the tech journalists and producers that we
pay attention to to talk more about it, David Immel
is actually a co host of the Waveform podcast and
also producer for the YouTube channel MKBHD talks all about
technology and innovation, et cetera, and David is joining us
now with more.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
David, what's going on?
Speaker 5 (15:23):
How's it going? Thanks for bringing me on.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well, I'm glad to meet you. I've been a fan.
I've read some of your stuff. I like the attitude,
the idea that AI, of course, is going to be
involved in just about everything that we do in the
next couple of years. But we'll get to the general
AI discussion later. I want to go through some of
the things that you think might make great gifts as
we get into the holiday season technology wise.
Speaker 4 (15:46):
Sure, So you know what's been funny this year is
I think the things that are slowing me down a
little bit more or that are kind of getting me
off of all of the technology, have been better. Things
that I've been consuming e read are really great gifts
right now. There is a particular one called the Books
Palma two that is from a company called Books. You
(16:07):
can find them online and it's the size of a smartphone,
so it fits in your pocket in the same way
that your phone does, but it can run your kindle.
It can run pretty much any eReader type app Libby.
If you have a library card, you can download free
audiobooks and ebooks from your library straight onto it.
Speaker 5 (16:29):
But it does run androids.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
So if you need to be able to access things
like Spotify, if you want to listen to music while
you're reading, or if you need to look something up
on the Internet. I just think that that's a really
good gift. Something else, the Aura frame. There's this company
called Aura that makes smart frames, and smart frames are
not a new concept. They've definitely been around for quite
a while. But these are great because they come with
(16:51):
very long cables.
Speaker 5 (16:52):
They have about.
Speaker 4 (16:53):
Thirty day battery life or sorry, three month battery life,
which is much longer. You can photos directly to the frame,
so if you're setting it up for a family member,
you can just text new photos to a specific phone
number and it'll automatically start rotating those photos on the frame.
We are really nice.
Speaker 3 (17:13):
I've seen those.
Speaker 2 (17:14):
We actually bought one from my parents probably ten years ago,
but we had to upload on a thumb drive and
keep that thing stuck in there. Now you're saying you
can update them regularly, yes.
Speaker 4 (17:24):
One hundred percent, So there are both. There are a
couple of ways you can add You can add photos
through the app, or if your parent takes a photo
or your kid takes a photo, you can now just
text to a specific phone number and it'll automatically add
it to the library of rotating photos.
Speaker 5 (17:38):
So those are that's pretty awesome.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, let's see. That is one of those good improvements
when it comes to technology. On something that's been around
for a while.
Speaker 4 (17:48):
Yes, yes, exactly, definitely definitely just like updating with more
cloud infrastructure.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
So what else? What else is going on in terms
of gifts?
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Oh, man, I guess it sort of depends on who
you're buying for. If you're buying for a younger person.
I've been really into these emulator devices, which are basically
a little micro computers that can play old video games.
The company an Urnick A N B E R N
I see, they make really really cool little handheld devices.
They only cost like seventy dollars, but they can play
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pretty much every video game console up to like PlayStation
two on them. So if you either know someone who
is very nostalgic for those consoles and wants to be
playing them again later on, or if you have a
younger kid who you want to, like, you know, engage
in your childhood or the things that you were into,
those are really great gifts. They come in very a
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bunch of different screen sizes and shapes too, and again
they're like all under one hundred bucks, so they're like
pretty solid gifts.
Speaker 3 (18:49):
Sure, that's one of those things.
Speaker 2 (18:51):
There used to be probably about ten years ago, there
would be I don't even know if you're old enough
to know what the Atari twenty six hundred was, but
the old joy stand and the the Ooystick itself was
the computer that you could just hook up to a
TV with Little LARCAA or whatever it was, and you
could play some of those old games. This sounds like
that on steroids, and I would.
Speaker 3 (19:10):
I would.
Speaker 2 (19:11):
Part of the reason I would love that is because
I played all those games as a kid, but when
my son grew up, all of his games were way
too advanced for me, and that this might bring us
back to some some level playing field when it comes
to picking up these games and having some sort of competition.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Oh definitely.
Speaker 4 (19:30):
And what's cool about them too is that they have
much improved screens. You know, so instead of like playing
on an old game Boy Advance or like a game
Boy Color, you're playing like a much more modern LCD
display or even an o LED display. They have arm processors,
so similar processors that are going into your phone, so
it can emulate games pretty much no problem, from pretty
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much up until PlayStation two or even a little bit later.
And they do that seamlessly, so super easy. The last
big thing that I wanted to shout out. There's a
company called fair Phone, which they make very sustainable technology products,
so they make phones that are very repairable that you
can you know, you can replace the better you can
(20:12):
replace the camera modules, you can replace the USB.
Speaker 5 (20:15):
Sport, all this kind of stuff.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
But they just release some overear headphones called the fair
Buds XL and they've They're a French company that has
been selling in Europe for quite a while, but they
just announced last week that they are coming to America
via Amazon in the next month or so, so they'll
both be selling their phone as well as their headphones
on there. I've been using their new headphones for a
(20:40):
couple of months now and they're very comfortable. They sound great,
and I just really like that you can six and
repair every little segment of them. So if the speaker
driver breaks, you can just buy new speaker drivers to
put in them. If they release a new version of
them have better speakers, you can buy those speakers and
put them in in your headphone, so you don't have
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to just keep buying new stuff all the time.
Speaker 5 (21:04):
That's awesome.
Speaker 2 (21:05):
It would be a great business model if it if
others catch on to that. So we're talking with David
it technology journalists. When we come back, can we I'd
love to ask you more general questions about AI and
where we're.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
Going with that.
Speaker 5 (21:18):
Sure, I'm sure we can do that.
Speaker 2 (21:20):
David Doll stick around for here just a second. Gary
and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 6 (21:26):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
David imml is a tech journalist. You see him as
a producer on the mkabhd YouTube channel co host of
the Waveform podcast. We're talking about some of the headlines
when it comes to AI. Specifically, big story that came
out yesterday means a lot here in Hollywood is that
Disney has teamed up with Open Ai because they're going
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to allow a bunch of people to use a bunch
of character couple hundred Disney trademarked character in these little
Sora videos that are that you can make. When you
saw this, how did this news strike you?
Speaker 5 (22:10):
Really not surprising at all.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
The thing about these AI companies is that they've been
scraping all of this information without permission for the last
three years now. So really all that's happening here is
that Disney probably kind of lawyered up and went to
open ai and said, hey, we need to figure something
out because we know that everybody's doing this, but we
need to figure out a way for it to work for.
Speaker 5 (22:31):
Both of us.
Speaker 4 (22:32):
The day after that they made that announcement with open ai,
they actually, sorry Disney actually sued Google for the exact
same thing.
Speaker 5 (22:43):
So what they're pretty much doing is.
Speaker 4 (22:45):
They're like, all right, we know that all the AI
companies are going to be doing this, we need to
get our end of the bargain out of it. And
now they're basically just trying to get Google to do
the exact same thing that open Ai did for them.
Speaker 2 (22:59):
Is do you think this is kind of the future
of these deals, these types of deals like this because
a I mean, I think it's The New York Times
has also sued because of the potential or because they
believe that these companies have gone back and scraped their
information without uh, without paying attention to copyright issues.
Speaker 5 (23:18):
Yeah, so this is kind of the big question mark.
Speaker 4 (23:22):
There is no way to actually look inside the training
data and see what is in the training data. The
only way that you can be for sure that something
is in that training data is that it produces your
likeness or your character. Right, if you can go on
Opening Eye Sora and say Mickey Mouse, you know, going
on a beach vacation, and it produces Mickey Mouse exactly.
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You know that Mickey Mouse was in the training data.
So it's pretty obvious that these companies have been scraping
the entire Internet, and there is all there are all
these arguments about oh well, if I can read it
with my eyes, then why I can't a machine read it?
But that's exactly what copyright is. I think in the
future you're going to see a lot of these giant
companies going to open AI, going to Google and saying, hey,
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we need to work out a deal here, because we
know you're not going to stop doing this, but we
can make this work for both of us.
Speaker 3 (24:12):
How often do you use AI in your work?
Speaker 5 (24:17):
Just about never good good.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
The thing that I believe, yeah, the thing that I
believe is a bit of a misdemeanor that is being
sold to everybody is that AI is changing the infrastructure
of the Internet and that we are interfacing with computers
a little bit differently.
Speaker 5 (24:36):
You know, you're using.
Speaker 4 (24:36):
Natural language to engage with things. Now Google is trying
to make an answer machine plenty of people are moving
over to chad apt instead of using Google. But this
kind of notion that that AI is going to be
in your life and you're going to have to use
it is really just these companies trying to push their
products to actually get people to use them so they
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can be profitable.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
You know, open Ai has burned more capital than.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Uber, Tesla, Netflix combined before they actually became profitable, and
more than the third of the US economy is currently
being propped up by AI companies. So if they don't
show a profit within the next couple of years, a
lot of those investors are kind of come singing, and
we're going to go into recession.
Speaker 5 (25:18):
So these these companies are very.
Speaker 4 (25:21):
Anxious that they need to actually make AI happen, but
in order to do that, they have to convince everyone
that it's actually going to be something they have to use.
Speaker 5 (25:28):
That just isn't true.
Speaker 2 (25:29):
And that's probably the best explanation of what I've I've
been hearing a lot of fluff about the potential for
an AI bubble to burst, but that your explanation of
it as probably the simplified version of it, as opposed
to something I'd find in Wall Street Journal or CNBC.
Speaker 4 (25:48):
Yeah, you know, they'll they'll have a lot of how
the information on the edges there. I just think at
the end of the day, if you're being told you
have to use this, you have to learn this, it's
the future. It's just because they want you to use
their product. But like the infrastructure is really the only
thing that is shifting. And at the end of the day,
things like this Disney deal. You know, Bob Biger said, oh,
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now we're going to put Sora videos on Disney Plus.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
It's like, can anyone actually show me any.
Speaker 4 (26:16):
Value there besides making slot videos. You know, Bob Iger
has an incentive to say that Disney is highly invested
in artificial intelligence because it makes his stock go up.
And that happens for every corporation. If you say that
you're an AI company, your stock will go up. There
are plenty of companies that basically do nothing AI related.
Or we're already doing machine learning, which is what we
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called AI before AI.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Became a buzzword.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
Who have been doing that forever and now they're calling
it artificial intelligence, or they're trying to find ways to
slam in generative AI into their products. But at the
end of the day, all that's doing is taking away
jobs from people like people in Hollywood. So I don't
think it's really good for anyone except the billionaires that
are lining their.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
Pocketbooks lead through David. Thanks for your time today, appreciated. Yeah,
no problem, David Imil again tech journalist. You can follow
him on Twitter if you wish. Uh Dervid imil d
u r vi I d imil but his name is David,
but dervit and you get it.
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