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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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of Gary and Shannon. The Court of Cessation, which is
a basically supreme court in the country of Turkey, has
found that a man in Turkey undermined marital trust by
repeatedly liking other women's photos online, and that his wife
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was legally allowed to file for divorce because this guy
was giving a thumbs up to these thirst traps on
you line?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Now, is there a way to see what people are
liking or who people are liking? I sound like this
guy's grandmother, but I just don't know, Like, if I
was to look up your profile, yes, would I be
able to see what you have liked?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I don't know how I would do that, right, I
don't think so.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
But if you looked at one of my posts, you
could see who liked it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's true, But you've done nothing wrong there. What do
you mean, well, I thought that this court ruled that
he was the husband and this thing was liking all
of these scantily clad women's posts. How were they able
to find out what he was? Who his wife found out?
How did she find out that he was liking.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
All those things? Somehow? I don't know. It sounds like
they need hobbies.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
She accused her husband of belittling or failing to provide
financial support, reaching his duty of loyalty by interacting with
other one posts.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I was watching land Man, which is a great show.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes, land Man, we can all agree, and Ali Larder
who looks and she got on Billy Bob Thornton. And
I know these aren't their names in the show, but
for saying to his I don't want to say nemesis
nor business partner, because he is a little bit of both.
Andy Garcia's wife like I like your wife, or I
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like the way your wife looks. I forget what he said,
and Ali lost her mind. She was like, what do
you mean you liked his wife or he liked meeting
his wife? And it was just like that was the
old school way of getting mad at someone for liking
a post on Instagram. Sure, this is the new way
to get mad, Landman, showcase the old way that maybe
your mom got mad at your dad. But the new
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way is when you find out your boyfriend is liking
hot girls pictures on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And how upset should you be?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
In Landman, it looks ridiculous when she gets upset with
him for that, right.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Because he was just complimenting, right this nice couples.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Right, it looked ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
But it's just as ridiculous if you're getting mad at
your boyfriend for liking someone's posts on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Right, No, No, I don't want my wife liking some
shirtless photo of some guy in his rawest form on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
What if it was you want?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
If you want your husband like spending time like going
through I know that he likes it.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know, I'm not saying that she.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You know that your wife if she saw a picture
of Bradley Cooper without his shirt on and just those
beautiful blues looking at her, that she would in her
head like that picture.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
She'd be like, oh, he looks good. There's very different.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
That's very different than expressing it the outwardly public.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I see I see okay, I see yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Because you can't say, like one of my favorite what
if they're not naked? What if it's a mister Bradley
Cooper in a blue shirt? So you would be you
would not like her liking that?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well, my question would be, why would you do that? What?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
What's the What's it's the point of liking a picture
of somebody that you don't know on Instagram other than
just showfore you like pictures. But you're doing it to
show other people what kind of pictures you like?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Are you though? Because I don't know what your wife likes?
Why wouldn't know?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Why do they attach a name to the like when
you put a thumb up?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Who's diving into people's likes to find out who's liking that?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well, No, that's a different issue. You're talking about the
idea of trust versus.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Not t trusting life liking things. You wouldn't know what
she has liked.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You're right, I have no idea what she has liked
on Instagram, right, But in the event that I found
out that she had a lot of likes of Bradley
Cooper's picture, she might.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I'd be like what are you doing? Why?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
What is the what is the benefit of that for you?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's just showing affirmation that you like a picture to
whom I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
You think Bradley Cooper is going to go down the
list and be like, oh, oh good things, she likes
my picture.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Maybe I'll slip into those dms.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I mean she's probably liked pictures of men on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Fine, okay, I mean I don't know how to prove
one way or the other that she has What if.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
She doesn't like him for his eyes? What if she
likes him for the rolls efforts, the fan.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
No, was he there? I don't know. I mean you
wouldn't are you liking? Okay, go ahead on mine. I
fully agree with Gary oh Man. Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
It's just I mean, when you liking something assistently, I
feel you're just fangirling at that point, you know, and like,
why would you put a fangirling like.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
You can have a husband and still be a fan
of somebody of the opposite sex.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Couldn't, can't you?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
But depends on what the pictures are, you know, if
it's Bradley Cooper without a shirt versus Bradley Cooper and
like a car commercial.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You know, what's the difference of us having.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Jim Harbaugh in studio and me being like, oh my god,
I'm such a big fan.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I've liked pictures of Jim Harbaugh. You're talking about. This
is very different.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
You're talking about admirant admiring somebody like you admire Jim.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
But it comes in the form of liking on socials.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Also, it's a worthless it's a completely it's a worthless.
It's a it's a worthless action on your part to
like a video.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So is the hypothetical of your wife liking Matthew McConaughey
picture Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's it's the thing.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
There's a sexual Let's take away the shirt the shirtless thing.
Let's just say it's a picture of Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Again, you can't use him as the example.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay, there is there's there's wife out of the hypothetical too.
Then let's say it's a different couple, just a random couple,
and the wife is liking pictures of Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's Larry and Sharon, Larry and Sharon, okay, and Sharon
has been liking these Eddie Murphy pictures, which again, Eddie
Murphy's fully clothed.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
That's a problem.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Again, you're taking out the sexual aspect of it. This
guy is talking about this guy in Turkey specific we're
talking about thirst tracks.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
You're talking about lots of women online not wearing clothes,
and there are women wearing clothes.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Not okay, So but you're making my argument.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So you might look at a picture on Instagram and
be like, oh, it's a sex picture. I look at
it and think that's just a girl on a Wednesday
in Instagram.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And here I think is part of the fundamental difference. Dude,
see that differently than women do. You could listen. You're
talking about looking at a picture of Bradley Cooper and going,
I like his philanthropic work.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I Matt, I don't know what that is. I don't
even know if it is any I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
But if I see a woman, if I see an
actress right in a in a tight form fitting dress
on Instagram, I'm something like that. Sidney Sweeney as as
an example, because it's current, not that I've seen them,
there's a sexual aspect to it that women don't see.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Guys are riven sexualizing. Sidney Sweeney just because you can
see the shape of her breasts. Yes, yes, dudes.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So we're just supposed to hide them all to wear.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I'm just saying, I do my devil's advocate, you guys,
that's the way that dudes see that. But and that
this woman in Turkey is acknowledging the fact that that's
her husband is a horn dog and he's doing it online.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I think that this is an overreaction to there are.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
It can be, but also it could be an indicator
that there's something wrong in the relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I'm not saying there's nothing wrong in their relationship. If
you're spending all your time liking pictures of other girls,
that's probly a problem.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
But this isn't a court of law.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, just determining whether or not she has ground round
for a divorce. Like that's it's.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I mean, I don't know, Listen, I would be, I
would be, I would be.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I gotta stuff liking all those Jim Harbaugh pictures us
in here.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You're doing it wrong. You're doing it wrong. I like
those pants. Steal couple of cleats out of that locker room.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Would take a hold, my god, the top it weirdo.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI.
A M six forty.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
H Uba is joining us now to talk about this
this new ninety days trying to bs his way to
a million pounds.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Man, Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I love the the sort of beginning discussion. I saw
a write up you talked about the process of trying
to make a million pounds in ninety days and the
difference between old money and new money.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Talk about that first.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Yeah, I suppose it's just you know, I've only just
moved here from London to New York and I've got
cut croats, which is awesome, But the just the kind
of I suppose there's a reverence for old money in Britain,
where you know, it is the old world.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know, we.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
The heads of most industries, people in like politicians, most
people were a lot of these people disproportionately went to
a small group of schools. You know, they're kind of
all sort of part of the old aristocracy really and
here you just don't have that in the same way.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So you know, you don't have this.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
It's all just a little more open, like you don't
have the same reverence around money. It's just like, this
is how it works. I'm going to go and get it.
So I suppose culturally that was a bit of a
change for me to sort of and it kind of
made sense for me to do this, to do the
project here, you know, during the project, the night and
day as I moved from London to New York. And yeah,
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it was fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I make my living obviously doing this, which is weird,
but I'm more fascinated by people who can make money
using social media as a platform. And I know it's
similar to radio and TV, but the amount of money
that's available that people will just throw at influencers, at
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social media personalities, doesn't that surprise you? Well, I suppose.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
I mean, look, you know, I'm a sort of as
you said, oo and filmmaker, journalist type thing.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I didn't go to college or anything.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
I sort of started doing it in my own time,
so you know, I could I have to sort of,
you know, thank the Internet for having a career. I
was working in a car factory before. So I think
the thing that I found doing this film was just
where there is money being made at the moment, is
in quite interesting places. You know. The first thing I did, well,
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one of the first things I did was managed to
get in the room with a bit air and just
asked them for a million, because I just thought, well,
they're reasonable, you know, it's not much to them. Why
can't I have a million? Unfortunately he said no. But
I mean in terms of just social media people kind
of utilizing their platforms. You know, the thing that I
found was mean coins were what a lot of them
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are doing, which is basically like a you know, creating
their own type of crypto and selling that, which was
really interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You know, I kept on having it.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
No matter where I turned. It seemed to be someone
trying to get me to help them flog a cryptocurrency
or help them or I create my own one or whatever.
It was just like it seemed like in the world
of get rich quick, you know, mean coins and crypto
were the kind of other thing of the moment.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
The other one I love is the idea of selling
classes on how to make money, the idea of charging
buty and people will just fork over money left and
right for that. Usually, Oh, this person be successful because
I'm paying the money to learn how to make money.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of yeah, the amount of people,
like the amount of people who have courses now, you know,
kind of like I'll teach you how to be a success,
and that a lot of people are struggling. So they
people you know, feel like they need help and they
need advice. They turn to these people, you know. In
the film, I obviously try and make my own class
called Million Dollar Ideas. While I'm trying to make a
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million which is kind of head sort of nailing it
on the head, I put out a trailer for it.
Two million people watch the trailer in the first twenty
four hours.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
One person bought it.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
So I think that basically what what I realized making
this was that the grift often with these kind of
people who are trying to teach you how to make
money because they're successful. The way they are successful is
by convincing you that they can make you successful, if
that makes sense. It's sort of like that's where the
grift takes place. It's convincing you that they can lead
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you to the promised land of financial security. And like,
you know, when I was younger in the I grew
up in the nineties and my parents kind of lost
a lot of money. In the pyramid scheme, there was
a kind of similar well, they didn't need a lot
of money, but they a lot lost a lot of
money to them, and it was a sort of similar
type of thing where it's someone saying, you know, if
you do this, then you you'll make money. And then
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after a while they realized, oh god, I've just been
paying the money to hear that, and I don't They
didn't actually make any money from what they were telling
them to do.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, did you end up waking making the million pounds?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Or am I going to watch the film?
Speaker 6 (14:37):
But yeah, I mean I managed to. One of the
main people in the film is a guy called Ikram
who started Venmo, which a lot of you guys will know.
I'm sure, and you know, me and him start this
company together and then it goes down the pan and
then he basically says to me, you should sell off
a piece of yourself for the rest of your life.
And a crypto hedge fund manager in Miami makes me
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off of for a million and we signed the contract
and then something else happens. But that's that's kind of yeah,
So yes, I do make the money.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
There's more follow Uba Butler on on Instagram. Uhbaz oo
b a hs on Instagram. You can find out some
more information, including the other stuff that he's been working
on again, how I made a million pounds in ninety
days on BBC Channel four and it'll eventually, we hope,
make it away over here to the United States or
(15:30):
find a VPN and I'm sure you could watch it somehow,
cheating the internet. That's the way to do it. Uba,
thanks for your time today, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So I appreciate this absolutely uber Butler again. Follow him
on social media. Ubas oo b a hs.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Dylan s Course went on a date.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Recent date shows up wearing a very heavily thought out
outfit thrifted orange.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Zip up hoodie. Okay, so you're already thrift shop Ridge
shops are pretty. They're always in, aren't they?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Camouflage, cropped tea, bootcut jeans. He said he specifically chose
these clothes to match the venues Latin and jazz scene
this bar in Houston that he was going to, right,
so he's thought a lot about what he was gonna wear.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
He sends a fun time.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
His date, however, shows up in black Lulu Lemon leggings,
an oversized gray sweatshirt, and dirty Nike Air Force shoes. Okay,
casual sheet huh. He said that didn't go over well.
He said her outfit didn't match the vibe of the bar,
and he took her choice of clothing as a personal light.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
See this is why girls, we always talk about what
we're gonna wear.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
What are you thinking? What are you gonna wear? What
are you gonna wear?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So that you know you all show up in jeans,
boots and a scarf.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Not really, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I can see where there would be a date.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Disconnect.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
He's kind of like when you took your wife out
and you showed up in those overalls. Right, it's a disconnect.
You showed up to a date in overalls as a man, right,
not a boy.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That was twenty that was thirty years ago. Feels like
yesterday to me. This is called the swag gap.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
This difference in the way that two people carry and
present themselves, and it goes beyond the beauty meets brain
dynamic that they've said. It's more of a On the
one hand, I'm dressed for a cocktail hour. My partner's
dressed for remote work day. And it says that if
you look at what goes on in social media, the
cautionary tales that we see posted, this misalignment could be
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one of those very early red flags for a relationship.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, there are people who still want to dress. There
are people who still want to look good and look
like they put effort into what they're wearing.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And there's this other.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Culture of people who never left their home in sweats
and I mean that meaning people started working from home
during COVID, they got comfortable, they traded their hard pants
in their clothes, their work.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Clothes for at leisure.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Maybe that maybe putting it to fancy, and they're still
doing it. You see it at the airports, you see
it everywhere, people in their pajamas going about their day.
There's certain people who aren't going to go back. And
now then when you know, of course, when you're dating,
you find out what people are really into, and this
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happens to be a disconnect for this couple. I don't
think this swag gap is sweeping the country and it's
something that's going to prevent future childbirths.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Like my relationship, what about your relationship?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Well, I mean you pointed out the very first, one
of the very first dates that I had with my wife.
This played into it. I mean there was a definite
swag gap that existed between the two of us.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, and it wasn't because did she say anything about
the overalls on the day? Did she say huh, that's
a good question anything. She is a strong woman to
make it through that date and to come out the
other side.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Without saying something and to fix all of it. Well,
that would have been our third time together.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It's kind of it's kind of a cautionary tale what
your wife did with you, because what we want to
teach young girls is you can't fix them. You can't
change them. They are who they are. But she fixed
all of that, Like, she fixed it and it worked.
She's like the she's like the urban legend of like
you can fix a guy, and it gives girls hope
that you know, they can take something and mold it
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and they can't. But you were molded. I'm still we're
molded into that shirt. It's a great shirt. So you
went from overalls to that shirt. That's incredible. That is
a transformation. I just I'm handing it to her. We're
having a Shannon Hoffman moment of appreciation. She took a
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canvas and the canvas was a mess. I mean, the
canvas was like, you know one of those pieces at MoMA.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Is that how you call it?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Sure or the broad where you go in You're like,
what the hell is it? What is this supposed to be?
Why is there a light shining on this? Why is
it even in the room? Why is it out of
the box? And she saw that and she's like, I
can make real art with this, and then.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I was just putty in her hands.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's supposed to be a compliment, and I keep I
feel like I'm messing it up.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
No, we're really hitting out of the park. Actually. Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
One of these twenty four year olds interviewed for this
article says, or sorry, being swaggy means having confidence and
that being threatened by that confidence could lead to a
swag gap. If they see your swag as a threat
to their swag, you have a problem.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, I mean you don't have to put a dumb label.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
On it like that, but but yeah, I mean clothes
can be a stand in for whatever clothes could be
a stand in not only for your social status actual,
but also what you perceive your social status to be.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I always think like, it's not the clothes, Like you know,
certain people could wear a freaking paper bag and they
would still have the charisma and the swag there is, yeah,
all the things. But sometimes I feel like when people
feel like they have to wear all the things, it's
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covering up for something.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
But the lack of confidence, I guess.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Isn't There also the opportunity if you're kind of in
the middle there somewhere and you're not quite sure where
you want to be swag wise or charisma wise or whatever,
sometimes dressing the part can help you sure, It can
help make you feel better about stuff, whatever that is,
job interview, big meeting at work, date, meeting somebody for
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the first time, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You don't want to swing for the fences in that situation.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
No, not necessarily, but but you do want to look
like you care enough to put that stuff together right.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
One could argue you wearing the overalls was like a
major move, Like that's a move, Like that's a confidence thing.
Like I'm showing up in overalls to this date because
I know who I am, and this is who I am?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
And I don't there Going back to that first example,
guy Dylan who shows up in you know, says that
he curated his outfit very carefully, and the woman shows
up in Lululemon leggings. You gonna show up in leggings
to a date. No, Maybe she's the one who had
the confidence. Maybe she was like, hey, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You're right. What kind of leggings are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Were were talking about like old leggings, like they the elastic
is shot on these leggings.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Or these new leggings. They do they look good? And
do they look good?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
She thinks they do. She does because she wore them.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Maybe she's just trying to take back her uh her femininity.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I don't know that word. Clearly don't know that word.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 3 (23:53):
Last spring, a professor at the Wharton School at the
University of Pennsylvania gave a group of about two hundred
and fifty people a very simple writing assessment assignment Sorry
share advice with a friend on how to lead a
healthier lifestyle and to come up with tips. Some of
them were allowed to use a traditional Google search.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
This wasn't supposed to, like you, This wasn't something you
were supposed to give one of your friends, right, because
that would go overwell. My friend's like, hey, Shan, here's
what you could do to be healthier, I'd punch.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Her in the face. I mean, it's a little condescending.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Well, I assume the prompt was something like, a friend
comes to you and asks for advice on how to
be healthy and very healthier. Others could so some people
could use a traditional Google search, others had to rely
on the summaries of information generated with Google AI. The
people who used the AI generated summaries wrote advice that
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was generic. It was obviously, it was obvious and largely unhelpful,
like eat healthy, drink water, sleep a lot. If people
have found the information on a regular Google search shared
more nuanced advice about the pillars of wellness, physical, mental,
emotional health, etc.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
It's funny because everyone knows the common sense things to do,
so it would be hard to not seem like you
were getting it from AI if the topic was as
simple as how to be healthier.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Obviously, if you'd right, move more drink right.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
But one of the things I think that AI is
doing and doing well is, especially if you are a
regular user of something like chat, shept or grock, it
remembers what you asked before, and if you said something
like you had asked something about the combination of drugs
that your mother is on, what kind of contraindications you
(25:43):
needed to watch out for, that will remember that you
have a mother and that she's on certain medications. So
it would then tailor an answer to you and to
your mother specifically.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
So that's one way that brain rot is happening.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Short Form videos, which are extremely dominant on social media
right now, are reshaping our brain from TikTok to Instagram, rails,
YouTube shorts. This is a cornerstone of every online platform.
But the scientists are finding associations increasingly so between heavy
consumption of short form video and challenges with focus and
(26:21):
self control.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's early, it's early research, but.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
They say it is very much so adding to our
brain rot is.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
This has got to be an offshoot of the same
argument that our parents had in nineteen eighty one when
MTV came along, totally because of the quick edits and
the you know, the noises and the people and the
all of the bikinis.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And the review which was published in that was just
my parents. No, it's funny. I was just having a
conversation on the sideline with somebody about.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
A particular video.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
He's your age, a year younger than you are, and
we're going through videos that were formative in his in
his yes, And it was funny how you can just
pick out the ones. It's so easy to pick out,
like girls, girls, girls, but Motley Care I mean, yes,
that was.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
One of them.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But anyway, the review that was published in the Psychological
Bulletin shows that there are links between heavy consumption of
these short form videos, not girls, girls, girls, but the
little you know short the shorts that you watch, and
increased symptoms of depression, anxiety, stress, and loneliness. So pretty
much all the things you get from your doom scrolling,
(27:33):
from your scrolling on social media, and you subconsciously comparing
and contrasting that's doing to your brain what the short
videos do as well. And I think it's a matter
of anxiety in your brain of.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
What's next. Yes, Okay, something's.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Going to hit me quickly, that's next. What's next? What's next,
what's next? Because you're constantly stimulating your brain. Your brain's
anxious thinking about, okay, what's next, as opposed to if
you sat down and read a book for an hour
and a half every day and your brain can chill
the f out and it doesn't think it's going to
be bombarded with stimuli in the next seven seconds.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I came up with an image, and tell me if
you think this is right. If you're riding a mountain
bike and you're on a trail, just a long trail,
and it's winding and stuff, but it's a continuous trail
as opposed to since you just went hiking in Utah,
as opposed to having fifty feet of a trail, And
then you have to jump and you're falling and falling
(28:33):
until you hit the next mesa or something like that,
and then you're on that mesa for forty or fifty
feet and then you have to jump again and you're
falling and falling and falling in wait oh, and then
there's another mesa that comes up and you can hit
that and ride that for a while. But you're constantly,
like you said, constant, your brain is constantly looking for
what the next thing is.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Going Your brain is playing Super Mario Brothers better version.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yes, that's a better one.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
That's exactly what you just described. You know, you're running
or running, your jumping, your jump.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
What's next? What's next? What's next? Your brain? How can
it relax?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
And with each jump though, you don't know where the
next platform.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Is exactly right, good analogy.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
So the platforms are hitten and you hope you hit
one right. That's why your brain needs time to calm
the f down. Just let it lie.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
James Jackson is a neuropsychologist at Vanderbilt. So there's a
long history of people crusading against new technologies, cultural phenomena. That's,
like I said, in my formative years, it was my
parents railing, not specifically my parents, our parents railing against
MTV and what kind of brain rot that was going
to cause. Before them, their parents were railing against rock
(29:43):
and roll and Elvis and the Beatles, and they were
going to cause people to go crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
They want and they were rightly so they want what
you're putting in your brain to have some sort of value, right,
But here's an MTV. In their eyes, it did not
provide that. Just like these short videos on YouTube do
not provide any real value to your brain. You're not
learning anything, you're not growing from them.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
But is there just is there somewhere their processed foods.
That's why they call brain rot.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, is there somewhere down the road a positive that
we don't yet see? No, because like we did this,
I feel like it's very quick, I know, but we
did the story a few weeks ago where we talked
about the concern in the teens, twenties and thirties of
the twentieth century was new technology was going to make
us all dumb. Radio TV was going to make us
(30:34):
all dumb, when in fact, our IQ on average went
up like three points every decade and we were able
to get smarter and smarter because the information was so
much more available to so many more people. I wonder
if there is some benefit to this in the future
of I mean, I hate the idea, and trust me,
(30:55):
I don't like. I don't like the idea that our
brains are now condition to seven seconds and shut off
and find something else. But maybe there is a positive
aspect to it one hundred years from now that we go, oh,
it's a good thing we had vine.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It's a good thing on Instagram reels.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I would offer this stick to listening to this show
because we are human, we are not AI, and we're
here for four hours.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
We're a way of feeding your brain.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
That is it.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
That is the greatest sales pitch for this show I
think I've ever heard. That's quite the elevator log one.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Pretty good about it, pretty good about it?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Well there it is another portion of the show that
apparently Ritchie and Elmer and Matt and all the producers
and everybody in the background, they all thought that that
was some of the best of I guess Getty up
with this? Well, wow, exactly. Gary and Shannon will continue.
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of Gary and Shannon. The Court of Cessation, which is
a basically supreme court in the country of Turkey, has
found that a man in Turkey undermined marital trust by
repeatedly liking other women's photos online, and that his wife
(00:47):
was legally allowed to file for divorce because this guy
was giving a thumbs up to these thirst traps on
you line?
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Now, is there a way to see what people are
liking or who people are liking? I sound like this
guy's grandmother, but I just don't know, Like, if I
was to look up your profile, yes, would I be
able to see what you have liked?
Speaker 2 (01:14):
I don't know how I would do that, right, I
don't think so.
Speaker 3 (01:18):
But if you looked at one of my posts, you
could see who liked it.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
That's true, But you've done nothing wrong there. What do
you mean, well, I thought that this court ruled that
he was the husband and this thing was liking all
of these scantily clad women's posts. How were they able
to find out what he was? Who his wife found out?
How did she find out that he was liking.
Speaker 2 (01:42):
All those things? Somehow? I don't know. It sounds like
they need hobbies.
Speaker 3 (01:45):
She accused her husband of belittling or failing to provide
financial support, reaching his duty of loyalty by interacting with
other one posts.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
I was watching land Man, which is a great show.
Speaker 1 (01:54):
Yes, land Man, we can all agree, and Ali Larder
who looks and she got on Billy Bob Thornton. And
I know these aren't their names in the show, but
for saying to his I don't want to say nemesis
nor business partner, because he is a little bit of both.
Andy Garcia's wife like I like your wife, or I
(02:17):
like the way your wife looks. I forget what he said,
and Ali lost her mind. She was like, what do
you mean you liked his wife or he liked meeting
his wife? And it was just like that was the
old school way of getting mad at someone for liking
a post on Instagram. Sure, this is the new way
to get mad, Landman, showcase the old way that maybe
your mom got mad at your dad. But the new
(02:39):
way is when you find out your boyfriend is liking
hot girls pictures on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (02:45):
And how upset should you be?
Speaker 1 (02:48):
In Landman, it looks ridiculous when she gets upset with
him for that, right.
Speaker 3 (02:51):
Because he was just complimenting, right this nice couples.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
Right, it looked ridiculous.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
But it's just as ridiculous if you're getting mad at
your boyfriend for liking someone's posts on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
Right, No, No, I don't want my wife liking some
shirtless photo of some guy in his rawest form on Instagram.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
What if it was you want?
Speaker 3 (03:16):
If you want your husband like spending time like going
through I know that he likes it.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
You know, I'm not saying that she.
Speaker 1 (03:24):
You know that your wife if she saw a picture
of Bradley Cooper without his shirt on and just those
beautiful blues looking at her, that she would in her
head like that picture.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
She'd be like, oh, he looks good. There's very different.
Speaker 3 (03:37):
That's very different than expressing it the outwardly public.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
I see I see okay, I see yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:46):
Because you can't say, like one of my favorite what
if they're not naked? What if it's a mister Bradley
Cooper in a blue shirt? So you would be you
would not like her liking that?
Speaker 2 (03:56):
Well, my question would be, why would you do that? What?
Speaker 3 (03:59):
What's the What's it's the point of liking a picture
of somebody that you don't know on Instagram other than
just showfore you like pictures. But you're doing it to
show other people what kind of pictures you like?
Speaker 2 (04:12):
Are you though? Because I don't know what your wife likes?
Why wouldn't know?
Speaker 3 (04:16):
Why do they attach a name to the like when
you put a thumb up?
Speaker 1 (04:19):
Who's diving into people's likes to find out who's liking that?
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Well, No, that's a different issue. You're talking about the
idea of trust versus.
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Not t trusting life liking things. You wouldn't know what
she has liked.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
You're right, I have no idea what she has liked
on Instagram, right, But in the event that I found
out that she had a lot of likes of Bradley
Cooper's picture, she might.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
I'd be like what are you doing? Why?
Speaker 3 (04:43):
What is the what is the benefit of that for you?
Speaker 2 (04:47):
It's just showing affirmation that you like a picture to
whom I don't know.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
You think Bradley Cooper is going to go down the
list and be like, oh, oh good things, she likes
my picture.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Maybe I'll slip into those dms.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
I mean she's probably liked pictures of men on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
Fine, okay, I mean I don't know how to prove
one way or the other that she has What if.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
She doesn't like him for his eyes? What if she
likes him for the rolls efforts, the fan.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
No, was he there? I don't know. I mean you
wouldn't are you liking? Okay, go ahead on mine. I
fully agree with Gary oh Man. Okay.
Speaker 4 (05:30):
It's just I mean, when you liking something assistently, I
feel you're just fangirling at that point, you know, and like,
why would you put a fangirling like.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
You can have a husband and still be a fan
of somebody of the opposite sex.
Speaker 2 (05:44):
Couldn't, can't you?
Speaker 4 (05:46):
But depends on what the pictures are, you know, if
it's Bradley Cooper without a shirt versus Bradley Cooper and
like a car commercial.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
You know, what's the difference of us having.
Speaker 1 (06:00):
Jim Harbaugh in studio and me being like, oh my god,
I'm such a big fan.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I've liked pictures of Jim Harbaugh. You're talking about. This
is very different.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
You're talking about admirant admiring somebody like you admire Jim.
Speaker 1 (06:12):
But it comes in the form of liking on socials.
Speaker 3 (06:16):
Also, it's a worthless it's a completely it's a worthless.
It's a it's a worthless action on your part to
like a video.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
So is the hypothetical of your wife liking Matthew McConaughey
picture Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 2 (06:32):
It's it's the thing.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
There's a sexual Let's take away the shirt the shirtless thing.
Let's just say it's a picture of Bradley Cooper.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Again, you can't use him as the example.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Okay, there is there's there's wife out of the hypothetical too.
Then let's say it's a different couple, just a random couple,
and the wife is liking pictures of Eddie Murphy.
Speaker 3 (06:58):
It's Larry and Sharon, Larry and Sharon, okay, and Sharon
has been liking these Eddie Murphy pictures, which again, Eddie
Murphy's fully clothed.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
That's a problem.
Speaker 3 (07:08):
Again, you're taking out the sexual aspect of it. This
guy is talking about this guy in Turkey specific we're
talking about thirst tracks.
Speaker 1 (07:15):
You're talking about lots of women online not wearing clothes,
and there are women wearing clothes.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Not okay, So but you're making my argument.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
So you might look at a picture on Instagram and
be like, oh, it's a sex picture. I look at
it and think that's just a girl on a Wednesday
in Instagram.
Speaker 3 (07:35):
And here I think is part of the fundamental difference. Dude,
see that differently than women do. You could listen. You're
talking about looking at a picture of Bradley Cooper and going,
I like his philanthropic work.
Speaker 1 (07:48):
I Matt, I don't know what that is. I don't
even know if it is any I'm just saying.
Speaker 3 (07:53):
But if I see a woman, if I see an
actress right in a in a tight form fitting dress
on Instagram, I'm something like that. Sidney Sweeney as as
an example, because it's current, not that I've seen them,
there's a sexual aspect to it that women don't see.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
Guys are riven sexualizing. Sidney Sweeney just because you can
see the shape of her breasts. Yes, yes, dudes.
Speaker 2 (08:23):
So we're just supposed to hide them all to wear.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
I'm just saying, I do my devil's advocate, you guys,
that's the way that dudes see that. But and that
this woman in Turkey is acknowledging the fact that that's
her husband is a horn dog and he's doing it online.
Speaker 2 (08:41):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
I think that this is an overreaction to there are.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
It can be, but also it could be an indicator
that there's something wrong in the relationship.
Speaker 1 (08:53):
I'm not saying there's nothing wrong in their relationship. If
you're spending all your time liking pictures of other girls,
that's probly a problem.
Speaker 2 (09:01):
But this isn't a court of law.
Speaker 3 (09:03):
Yeah, just determining whether or not she has ground round
for a divorce. Like that's it's.
Speaker 2 (09:11):
I mean, I don't know, Listen, I would be, I
would be, I would be.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
I gotta stuff liking all those Jim Harbaugh pictures us
in here.
Speaker 2 (09:19):
You're doing it wrong. You're doing it wrong. I like
those pants. Steal couple of cleats out of that locker room.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
Would take a hold, my god, the top it weirdo.
Speaker 5 (09:35):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI.
A M six forty.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
H Uba is joining us now to talk about this
this new ninety days trying to bs his way to
a million pounds.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 6 (09:49):
Man, Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I love the the sort of beginning discussion. I saw
a write up you talked about the process of trying
to make a million pounds in ninety days and the
difference between old money and new money.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
Talk about that first.
Speaker 6 (10:09):
Yeah, I suppose it's just you know, I've only just
moved here from London to New York and I've got
cut croats, which is awesome, But the just the kind
of I suppose there's a reverence for old money in Britain,
where you know, it is the old world.
Speaker 2 (10:24):
You know, we.
Speaker 6 (10:26):
The heads of most industries, people in like politicians, most
people were a lot of these people disproportionately went to
a small group of schools. You know, they're kind of
all sort of part of the old aristocracy really and
here you just don't have that in the same way.
Speaker 2 (10:40):
So you know, you don't have this.
Speaker 6 (10:43):
It's all just a little more open, like you don't
have the same reverence around money. It's just like, this
is how it works. I'm going to go and get it.
So I suppose culturally that was a bit of a
change for me to sort of and it kind of
made sense for me to do this, to do the
project here, you know, during the project, the night and
day as I moved from London to New York. And yeah,
(11:03):
it was fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 3 (11:05):
I make my living obviously doing this, which is weird,
but I'm more fascinated by people who can make money
using social media as a platform. And I know it's
similar to radio and TV, but the amount of money
that's available that people will just throw at influencers, at
(11:25):
social media personalities, doesn't that surprise you? Well, I suppose.
Speaker 6 (11:31):
I mean, look, you know, I'm a sort of as
you said, oo and filmmaker, journalist type thing.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
I didn't go to college or anything.
Speaker 6 (11:36):
I sort of started doing it in my own time,
so you know, I could I have to sort of,
you know, thank the Internet for having a career. I
was working in a car factory before. So I think
the thing that I found doing this film was just
where there is money being made at the moment, is
in quite interesting places. You know. The first thing I did, well,
(11:57):
one of the first things I did was managed to
get in the room with a bit air and just
asked them for a million, because I just thought, well,
they're reasonable, you know, it's not much to them. Why
can't I have a million? Unfortunately he said no. But
I mean in terms of just social media people kind
of utilizing their platforms. You know, the thing that I
found was mean coins were what a lot of them
(12:19):
are doing, which is basically like a you know, creating
their own type of crypto and selling that, which was
really interesting.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
You know, I kept on having it.
Speaker 6 (12:29):
No matter where I turned. It seemed to be someone
trying to get me to help them flog a cryptocurrency
or help them or I create my own one or whatever.
It was just like it seemed like in the world
of get rich quick, you know, mean coins and crypto
were the kind of other thing of the moment.
Speaker 3 (12:46):
The other one I love is the idea of selling
classes on how to make money, the idea of charging
buty and people will just fork over money left and
right for that. Usually, Oh, this person be successful because
I'm paying the money to learn how to make money.
Speaker 6 (13:05):
Yeah, I mean, it's kind of yeah, the amount of people,
like the amount of people who have courses now, you know,
kind of like I'll teach you how to be a success,
and that a lot of people are struggling. So they
people you know, feel like they need help and they
need advice. They turn to these people, you know. In
the film, I obviously try and make my own class
called Million Dollar Ideas. While I'm trying to make a
(13:28):
million which is kind of head sort of nailing it
on the head, I put out a trailer for it.
Two million people watch the trailer in the first twenty
four hours.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
One person bought it.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
So I think that basically what what I realized making
this was that the grift often with these kind of
people who are trying to teach you how to make
money because they're successful. The way they are successful is
by convincing you that they can make you successful, if
that makes sense. It's sort of like that's where the
grift takes place. It's convincing you that they can lead
(14:00):
you to the promised land of financial security. And like,
you know, when I was younger in the I grew
up in the nineties and my parents kind of lost
a lot of money. In the pyramid scheme, there was
a kind of similar well, they didn't need a lot
of money, but they a lot lost a lot of
money to them, and it was a sort of similar
type of thing where it's someone saying, you know, if
you do this, then you you'll make money. And then
(14:22):
after a while they realized, oh god, I've just been
paying the money to hear that, and I don't They
didn't actually make any money from what they were telling
them to do.
Speaker 3 (14:29):
Yeah, did you end up waking making the million pounds?
Speaker 2 (14:35):
Or am I going to watch the film?
Speaker 6 (14:37):
But yeah, I mean I managed to. One of the
main people in the film is a guy called Ikram
who started Venmo, which a lot of you guys will know.
I'm sure, and you know, me and him start this
company together and then it goes down the pan and
then he basically says to me, you should sell off
a piece of yourself for the rest of your life.
And a crypto hedge fund manager in Miami makes me
(15:00):
off of for a million and we signed the contract
and then something else happens. But that's that's kind of yeah,
So yes, I do make the money.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
There's more follow Uba Butler on on Instagram. Uhbaz oo
b a hs on Instagram. You can find out some
more information, including the other stuff that he's been working
on again, how I made a million pounds in ninety
days on BBC Channel four and it'll eventually, we hope,
make it away over here to the United States or
(15:30):
find a VPN and I'm sure you could watch it somehow,
cheating the internet. That's the way to do it. Uba,
thanks for your time today, appreciate it.
Speaker 6 (15:39):
Yeah, thank you so much.
Speaker 3 (15:40):
So I appreciate this absolutely uber Butler again. Follow him
on social media. Ubas oo b a hs.
Speaker 5 (15:48):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Dylan s Course went on a date.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
Recent date shows up wearing a very heavily thought out
outfit thrifted orange.
Speaker 2 (16:09):
Zip up hoodie. Okay, so you're already thrift shop Ridge
shops are pretty. They're always in, aren't they?
Speaker 3 (16:16):
Camouflage, cropped tea, bootcut jeans. He said he specifically chose
these clothes to match the venues Latin and jazz scene
this bar in Houston that he was going to, right,
so he's thought a lot about what he was gonna wear.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
He sends a fun time.
Speaker 3 (16:37):
His date, however, shows up in black Lulu Lemon leggings,
an oversized gray sweatshirt, and dirty Nike Air Force shoes. Okay,
casual sheet huh. He said that didn't go over well.
He said her outfit didn't match the vibe of the bar,
and he took her choice of clothing as a personal light.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
See this is why girls, we always talk about what
we're gonna wear.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
What are you thinking? What are you gonna wear? What
are you gonna wear?
Speaker 1 (17:08):
So that you know you all show up in jeans,
boots and a scarf.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Not really, but you know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
I can see where there would be a date.
Speaker 2 (17:23):
Disconnect.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
He's kind of like when you took your wife out
and you showed up in those overalls. Right, it's a disconnect.
You showed up to a date in overalls as a man, right,
not a boy.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
That was twenty that was thirty years ago. Feels like
yesterday to me. This is called the swag gap.
Speaker 3 (17:49):
This difference in the way that two people carry and
present themselves, and it goes beyond the beauty meets brain
dynamic that they've said. It's more of a On the
one hand, I'm dressed for a cocktail hour. My partner's
dressed for remote work day. And it says that if
you look at what goes on in social media, the
cautionary tales that we see posted, this misalignment could be
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one of those very early red flags for a relationship.
Speaker 1 (18:14):
Well, there are people who still want to dress. There
are people who still want to look good and look
like they put effort into what they're wearing.
Speaker 2 (18:21):
And there's this other.
Speaker 1 (18:22):
Culture of people who never left their home in sweats
and I mean that meaning people started working from home
during COVID, they got comfortable, they traded their hard pants
in their clothes, their work.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Clothes for at leisure.
Speaker 1 (18:40):
Maybe that maybe putting it to fancy, and they're still
doing it. You see it at the airports, you see
it everywhere, people in their pajamas going about their day.
There's certain people who aren't going to go back. And
now then when you know, of course, when you're dating,
you find out what people are really into, and this
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happens to be a disconnect for this couple. I don't
think this swag gap is sweeping the country and it's
something that's going to prevent future childbirths.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Like my relationship, what about your relationship?
Speaker 3 (19:14):
Well, I mean you pointed out the very first, one
of the very first dates that I had with my wife.
This played into it. I mean there was a definite
swag gap that existed between the two of us.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
Yeah, and it wasn't because did she say anything about
the overalls on the day? Did she say huh, that's
a good question anything. She is a strong woman to
make it through that date and to come out the
other side.
Speaker 3 (19:40):
Without saying something and to fix all of it. Well,
that would have been our third time together.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
It's kind of it's kind of a cautionary tale what
your wife did with you, because what we want to
teach young girls is you can't fix them. You can't
change them. They are who they are. But she fixed
all of that, Like, she fixed it and it worked.
She's like the she's like the urban legend of like
you can fix a guy, and it gives girls hope
that you know, they can take something and mold it
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and they can't. But you were molded. I'm still we're
molded into that shirt. It's a great shirt. So you
went from overalls to that shirt. That's incredible. That is
a transformation. I just I'm handing it to her. We're
having a Shannon Hoffman moment of appreciation. She took a
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canvas and the canvas was a mess. I mean, the
canvas was like, you know one of those pieces at MoMA.
Speaker 2 (20:38):
Is that how you call it?
Speaker 1 (20:39):
Sure or the broad where you go in You're like,
what the hell is it? What is this supposed to be?
Why is there a light shining on this? Why is
it even in the room? Why is it out of
the box? And she saw that and she's like, I
can make real art with this, and then.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yeah, I was just putty in her hands.
Speaker 1 (21:00):
It's supposed to be a compliment, and I keep I
feel like I'm messing it up.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
No, we're really hitting out of the park. Actually. Uh.
Speaker 3 (21:08):
One of these twenty four year olds interviewed for this
article says, or sorry, being swaggy means having confidence and
that being threatened by that confidence could lead to a
swag gap. If they see your swag as a threat
to their swag, you have a problem.
Speaker 2 (21:26):
Yeah, I mean you don't have to put a dumb label.
Speaker 3 (21:28):
On it like that, but but yeah, I mean clothes
can be a stand in for whatever clothes could be
a stand in not only for your social status actual,
but also what you perceive your social status to be.
Speaker 2 (21:44):
Right.
Speaker 1 (21:45):
I always think like, it's not the clothes, Like you know,
certain people could wear a freaking paper bag and they
would still have the charisma and the swag there is, yeah,
all the things. But sometimes I feel like when people
feel like they have to wear all the things, it's
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covering up for something.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
But the lack of confidence, I guess.
Speaker 3 (22:10):
Isn't There also the opportunity if you're kind of in
the middle there somewhere and you're not quite sure where
you want to be swag wise or charisma wise or whatever,
sometimes dressing the part can help you sure, It can
help make you feel better about stuff, whatever that is,
job interview, big meeting at work, date, meeting somebody for
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the first time, whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (22:35):
You don't want to swing for the fences in that situation.
Speaker 3 (22:38):
No, not necessarily, but but you do want to look
like you care enough to put that stuff together right.
Speaker 1 (22:43):
One could argue you wearing the overalls was like a
major move, Like that's a move, Like that's a confidence thing.
Like I'm showing up in overalls to this date because
I know who I am, and this is who I am?
Speaker 3 (22:57):
And I don't there Going back to that first example,
guy Dylan who shows up in you know, says that
he curated his outfit very carefully, and the woman shows
up in Lululemon leggings. You gonna show up in leggings
to a date. No, Maybe she's the one who had
the confidence. Maybe she was like, hey, yeah.
Speaker 2 (23:17):
You're right. What kind of leggings are we talking about?
Speaker 1 (23:20):
Were were talking about like old leggings, like they the elastic
is shot on these leggings.
Speaker 2 (23:24):
Or these new leggings. They do they look good? And
do they look good?
Speaker 3 (23:30):
She thinks they do. She does because she wore them.
Speaker 2 (23:32):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (23:33):
Maybe she's just trying to take back her uh her femininity.
Speaker 2 (23:39):
I don't know that word. Clearly don't know that word.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 5 (23:46):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (23:53):
Last spring, a professor at the Wharton School at the
University of Pennsylvania gave a group of about two hundred
and fifty people a very simple writing assessment assignment Sorry
share advice with a friend on how to lead a
healthier lifestyle and to come up with tips. Some of
them were allowed to use a traditional Google search.
Speaker 1 (24:11):
This wasn't supposed to, like you, This wasn't something you
were supposed to give one of your friends, right, because
that would go overwell. My friend's like, hey, Shan, here's
what you could do to be healthier, I'd punch.
Speaker 2 (24:21):
Her in the face. I mean, it's a little condescending.
Speaker 3 (24:27):
Well, I assume the prompt was something like, a friend
comes to you and asks for advice on how to
be healthy and very healthier. Others could so some people
could use a traditional Google search, others had to rely
on the summaries of information generated with Google AI. The
people who used the AI generated summaries wrote advice that
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was generic. It was obviously, it was obvious and largely unhelpful,
like eat healthy, drink water, sleep a lot. If people
have found the information on a regular Google search shared
more nuanced advice about the pillars of wellness, physical, mental,
emotional health, etc.
Speaker 1 (25:07):
It's funny because everyone knows the common sense things to do,
so it would be hard to not seem like you
were getting it from AI if the topic was as
simple as how to be healthier.
Speaker 2 (25:18):
Obviously, if you'd right, move more drink right.
Speaker 3 (25:21):
But one of the things I think that AI is
doing and doing well is, especially if you are a
regular user of something like chat, shept or grock, it
remembers what you asked before, and if you said something
like you had asked something about the combination of drugs
that your mother is on, what kind of contraindications you
(25:43):
needed to watch out for, that will remember that you
have a mother and that she's on certain medications. So
it would then tailor an answer to you and to
your mother specifically.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
So that's one way that brain rot is happening.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
Short Form videos, which are extremely dominant on social media
right now, are reshaping our brain from TikTok to Instagram, rails,
YouTube shorts. This is a cornerstone of every online platform.
But the scientists are finding associations increasingly so between heavy
consumption of short form video and challenges with focus and
(26:21):
self control.
Speaker 2 (26:22):
It's early, it's early research, but.
Speaker 1 (26:26):
They say it is very much so adding to our
brain rot is.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
This has got to be an offshoot of the same
argument that our parents had in nineteen eighty one when
MTV came along, totally because of the quick edits and
the you know, the noises and the people and the
all of the bikinis.
Speaker 1 (26:45):
And the review which was published in that was just
my parents. No, it's funny. I was just having a
conversation on the sideline with somebody about.
Speaker 2 (26:55):
A particular video.
Speaker 1 (26:56):
He's your age, a year younger than you are, and
we're going through videos that were formative in his in
his yes, And it was funny how you can just
pick out the ones. It's so easy to pick out,
like girls, girls, girls, but Motley Care I mean, yes,
that was.
Speaker 2 (27:11):
One of them.
Speaker 1 (27:12):
But anyway, the review that was published in the Psychological
Bulletin shows that there are links between heavy consumption of
these short form videos, not girls, girls, girls, but the
little you know short the shorts that you watch, and
increased symptoms of depression, anxiety, stress, and loneliness. So pretty
much all the things you get from your doom scrolling,
(27:33):
from your scrolling on social media, and you subconsciously comparing
and contrasting that's doing to your brain what the short
videos do as well. And I think it's a matter
of anxiety in your brain of.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
What's next. Yes, Okay, something's.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
Going to hit me quickly, that's next. What's next? What's next,
what's next? Because you're constantly stimulating your brain. Your brain's
anxious thinking about, okay, what's next, as opposed to if
you sat down and read a book for an hour
and a half every day and your brain can chill
the f out and it doesn't think it's going to
be bombarded with stimuli in the next seven seconds.
Speaker 3 (28:11):
I came up with an image, and tell me if
you think this is right. If you're riding a mountain
bike and you're on a trail, just a long trail,
and it's winding and stuff, but it's a continuous trail
as opposed to since you just went hiking in Utah,
as opposed to having fifty feet of a trail, And
then you have to jump and you're falling and falling
(28:33):
until you hit the next mesa or something like that,
and then you're on that mesa for forty or fifty
feet and then you have to jump again and you're
falling and falling and falling in wait oh, and then
there's another mesa that comes up and you can hit
that and ride that for a while. But you're constantly,
like you said, constant, your brain is constantly looking for
what the next thing is.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Going Your brain is playing Super Mario Brothers better version.
Speaker 2 (28:57):
Yes, that's a better one.
Speaker 1 (28:58):
That's exactly what you just described. You know, you're running
or running, your jumping, your jump.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
What's next? What's next? What's next? Your brain? How can
it relax?
Speaker 3 (29:05):
And with each jump though, you don't know where the
next platform.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Is exactly right, good analogy.
Speaker 1 (29:12):
So the platforms are hitten and you hope you hit
one right. That's why your brain needs time to calm
the f down. Just let it lie.
Speaker 3 (29:22):
James Jackson is a neuropsychologist at Vanderbilt. So there's a
long history of people crusading against new technologies, cultural phenomena. That's,
like I said, in my formative years, it was my
parents railing, not specifically my parents, our parents railing against
MTV and what kind of brain rot that was going
to cause. Before them, their parents were railing against rock
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and roll and Elvis and the Beatles, and they were
going to cause people to go crazy.
Speaker 1 (29:47):
They want and they were rightly so they want what
you're putting in your brain to have some sort of value, right,
But here's an MTV. In their eyes, it did not
provide that. Just like these short videos on YouTube do
not provide any real value to your brain. You're not
learning anything, you're not growing from them.
Speaker 2 (30:08):
But is there just is there somewhere their processed foods.
That's why they call brain rot.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Yeah, is there somewhere down the road a positive that
we don't yet see? No, because like we did this,
I feel like it's very quick, I know, but we
did the story a few weeks ago where we talked
about the concern in the teens, twenties and thirties of
the twentieth century was new technology was going to make
us all dumb. Radio TV was going to make us
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all dumb, when in fact, our IQ on average went
up like three points every decade and we were able
to get smarter and smarter because the information was so
much more available to so many more people. I wonder
if there is some benefit to this in the future
of I mean, I hate the idea, and trust me,
(30:55):
I don't like. I don't like the idea that our
brains are now condition to seven seconds and shut off
and find something else. But maybe there is a positive
aspect to it one hundred years from now that we go, oh,
it's a good thing we had vine.
Speaker 2 (31:09):
It's a good thing on Instagram reels.
Speaker 1 (31:11):
I would offer this stick to listening to this show
because we are human, we are not AI, and we're
here for four hours.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
We're a way of feeding your brain.
Speaker 6 (31:20):
That is it.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
That is the greatest sales pitch for this show I
think I've ever heard. That's quite the elevator log one.
Speaker 2 (31:25):
Pretty good about it, pretty good about it?
Speaker 3 (31:28):
Well there it is another portion of the show that
apparently Ritchie and Elmer and Matt and all the producers
and everybody in the background, they all thought that that
was some of the best of I guess Getty up
with this? Well, wow, exactly. Gary and Shannon will continue.
You've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show. You
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