October 7, 2025 • 31 mins
Gary and Shannon kick off the show celebrating the birthday of KFI’s own board wizard, Elmer: complete with a homemade cake from Shannon! From there, things turn from sweet to serious as they discuss the White House’s new gold makeover and how the ongoing government shutdown is grounding flights nationwide, even causing rare delays at smaller airports like Burbank.The conversation shifts to Sacramento, where a medical helicopter crashed onto Highway 50, leaving three people critically injured but miraculously no fatalities. Gary and Shannon also play highlights from President Trump’s meeting with Canadian Prime Minister Mark J. Carney before defending themselves against accusations of being “fake” Dodger fans.They wrap the hour with a Washington Post deep dive into TikTok’s dangerously effective algorithm, and how the app is engineered to keep users glued to their screens.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to kf
I AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
You've seen the commercial Rob McAlhaney and Khalil Elmer helped
me out with his last name. I have no idea
the comedian.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
All I know is Khalil Mack. That's the only Khalil
I have in my life.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I let me google it anyway.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's the commercial about how Rob mclaney and this guy
are going back and forth and every time the camera
cuts back to them, they're wearing something more extravagant that
reminds me of what's going on at these.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
This is a great story to start with. D D.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
White House is the President is meeting with the Canadian
Prime Minister in the Oval Office right now, and there's
a lot that's been made about the gold ornate.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Ridiculous director.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Oh my god, it's so bad today or good, however
you want to look at it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
These decorations that have been put up around the Oval Office,
which makes it look like the King's internal chamber like
it does.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It does.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
The great on the fireplace is now adorned all in
gold molding. It is a little bit much. It's a
little ostentatious for my blood.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I would just like to point out male nonjeanny. That's
what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And you thought Elmer was going to come up with that, because.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Anyway they're discussing their terrorists, among other things. It just
cracks me up because I think every time we cut
back to the Oval Office, there's more gold.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
There is more gold, and it's brighter and it's bigger.
Absolutely right. He's so pissed. Trump is so pissed that
people were taking to social media and saying it was
cheap gold and that it was home depot sconces that
were spray painted gold. He got so upset over that.
So now it's just golder and bigger. A couple things apparently,
October seventh, October sixth into October seventh is when fall arrives.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
It feels like fall. It felt like fall.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yesterday afternoon evening. It feels like fall today. And it
is Elmer's birthday.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, it is Elmer's birthday. Yes, you made me a cake.
I did make you a cakeke me a cake? I did.
I made it with love. It's so beautiful. I'm so
glad you love it.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Imagine if I ate all of it right now by
myself and I didn't share with anyone.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
You can do that. That's your birthday, is your prerogative,
it's your right. I think I would get sick. You would. No,
you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Thanks, Yeah, you probably would at your age, maybe ten
years ago. But now you've got to start thinking about,
you know, how's my body going to respond to this
whole cake?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Boy, Tommy not twenty three anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Tommy had been throwing a lawn dart for that last
out in the Dodgers Phillies game last night. Oh my goodness,
that's the shortest throw in all of baseball, and he
threw it ten feet shorter than he had to.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I live with a very peaceful person. He does not
yell or get upset or show emotion. He does not
scream out expletives. But I have heard and it's always
in the eighth inning, sometimes in the ninth, like it
was last night.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Very tense moments in the home.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
And I realize what I'm like to live within those moments,
and I think.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Ooh, little mirror, help handle that. That's too much.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, it's just stressful because I like I soak in
people's emotions, you know, and it's like he's so stressed,
he's so angry, and I get it. So I'm angry
over baseball, and I'm just like, what is going on?
Why woul't you put Sasaki in?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
David Roberts, you know, And I'm like, I don't care.
But it's just, you know, it's just the tension and
the feeling takes up the whole room.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, it can be tough. It can be a lot.
It can be a lot. I mean, it can be
a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Hollywood Burbank Airport air traffic is back to normal this
morning as of right now, but yesterday for about six hours,
there was nobody in the control tower because of government
shutdown slash people call them in sick Now, air traffic
controllers are expected to go to work.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
They will not.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
They're not currently being paid, but obviously they will be
getting back pay once the government shutdown is over. There's
also a problem with one of the runways under construction there,
So Burbank right now is kind of a choke point.
It can be on certain days if they're not you know,
staffed in the air traffic control tower.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
So yesterday was one of those.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
This is how the government shut down in twenty nineteen
came to an end. Of course, it all was about
LaGuardia and East Coast Airport, and it surely probably will
be again. But I mean outgoing flights at Hollywood at
Burbank delayed an average of two hours and thirty one minutes.
That doesn't happen at Burbank Airport, and that's something that
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people are going to start getting actually upset about.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, this is this is I don't canary on the
coal mine kind of thing, but it is one of
those issues that because it reaches so many people and
can have such an impact, soon this is going to
be This may be the thing.
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Speaker 1 (05:19):
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Speaker 1 (06:03):
So, we got the news during the Conway Show yesterday
that Burbank Airport was going to operate without air traffic controllers.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, they've got regional air traffic controllers and places like
San Diego that can kind of handle that kind of
traffic for a limited amount of time. We saw the
same thing with air traffic controllers out of Philadelphia handling
air traffic into LaGuardia when that airport was without air
traffic controllers. This was just hours after the union representing
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these controllers told their members to keep working during the
shutdown despite the fact that they may be missing paychecks.
No paychecks missing so far, but it's on the horizon.
Transportation Secretary Sean Deffi said yesterday at a news conference
a TSA so far has seen a slight increase in
the air traffic controllers calling in six since the shutdown
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began last week. Where are we on that peers both sides,
Democrats and Republicans are locked into their positions. We're at
the one week mark or we will be without a
clear resolution as of right now.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Flight Aware says that there are some flights that have
about a thirty minute arrivals at Burbank that are having
about a thirty minute delay because of what's been going on,
But we do believe that the tower itself is fully
staffed again this morning.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
The Senate is expected to vote again today on dueling
measures to fund the government to end the shutdown. The
bills fell short yesterday of the sixty votes needed for
the one, two, three, four, Fifth time Senate Majority Leader
John Thune saying the Chamber will keep voting on the
same bills over and over. It sounds like fun, sounds
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like the definition of insanity.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And we're not getting anywhere.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I mean, the language itself has not changed from Hakeem Jeffries,
the Minority leader in the House, the Speaker of the House,
Mike Johnson, and then over in the Senate Chuck Schumer
and John Thune. They none of the language has changed.
There may be some back channel negotiations that are going on,
some phone calls, some discussions in the hallways that we
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are not privy to that could be moving this forward,
but it's as of right now, it seems like this
is going to take at least a couple of weeks
before anybody feels like they have to move.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
People are saying things like I would have flown out
in and out of Lax had I known. That's a
rare thing to say. If nobody's saying in and out
of Burbank, don't.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Forget there is there is a specific One of the
reasons that Burbank specifically is getting the attention is because
they're also doing runway construction, So the regular traffic in
and out of Burbank has already choked, and if you're
going to have anything that puts pressure on that, that's
why you're going to see delays like that. It's not
the only airport you mentioned Newark Liberty back in Jersey,
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DA Denver International is also seeing problems Harry Reid International
over in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
But some of these airports are always such a mess
that it is not something that rises to the level
of public consciousness. You have a three hour to lay
out of Burbank and it's notable.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, and that I think is the canary in the
coal mine for a lot of people. If people are
aware like we are about how well Burbank is run
and usually easy it is to get in and out of,
that may be what it is that is the first
domino to fall when it comes to putting an end
to the government shutdown.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Where did that phrase originate? Canary in a coal mine?
I think that's worth a closer look.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
People used to take canaries into coal mines and if
there was a odorless gas that would be dangerous carbon monoxide. Yeah,
it would kill. That would kill the canary before it
would kill the humans. But once the canary died, everybody
got to get out. That's awful.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's poor canaries, after they've given their lives to annoy
us in households for the the entire history of the world.
You're gonna kill them in the coal mines?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Not cool?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You don't intend to it, just sure you do, it's
the sacrificial lamb.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I'm sure they're getting like snacks and being Federals, I.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Don't think they're getting snacks well. And what I mean, Elmer,
would a baganacha cheese doritos make a difference to you
if you were taken to your death for the safety
of what was considered a greater human being.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Vallid.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, It's notable that the twenty nineteen government shut down
was ended when controllers at important facilities i e. The
East Coast airports began calling in sick at high rates,
and you saw these flight delays that were not in California,
and Trump basically put together legislation to end that shut
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down right quick.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I've said that I think that this is probably the
thing that that gets so somebody moving on this. You
can't have likely you're a failed country if your government
shut down means that people can't get anywhere they need
to go.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
If if the on time arrival numbers are better in
nwokchot International Airport than they are, where's that is that Inwokchot, No,
that's in Africa?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Africa? What kind of traffic do they do?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Look at you did you stay up lade doing African geography.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
And everybody, I love that you do that.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
See what Gary does sometimes unbeknownst to most of us.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I just found out about it recently, Mauritania. Sorry not
not Senegalue, Mauritania, is.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
That sometimes when he can't sleep, he stays up all
night doing deep dives on very esoteric topics or lands.
And we are the beneficiaries of that. So thank you,
thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I have a T shirt that says I went to
Niwokchot and all I got missus crabby t shirt.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
See and now you've owned it.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
That was a stupid joke that belongs in a program
with a person less less than you.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Gary, no matter how much he willed that throw to
go in the dugout. Yeah, it was stilling out.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
I know.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Suck on that Dodger hated.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Whoa Wow, suck on that whoa It is nine six, sir,
But there's no there is not one Dodger fan watching
that game who want that ball left Tommy Edmond's hands,
and you saw Freddy Freeman have to go down on
a knee for a thirty foot throw, you were terrified.
That is as a harder ball for Freddy Freeman to
(12:35):
field than it would be if Max Montsey had fired
one hundred mile an hour ball into the dirt from
third base. So you haven't watched a lot of Dodger
baseball this year. I would imagine Freddy Freeman has hit
a lot at first base. Oh he's That was amazing.
That was indicative of the whole year that I know
of him.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, he is very, very good at what he does.
Happy birthday, Elmer, it's my birthday too. Eat that cake.
Eat that cake, Eat that cake. I love that.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
Buh.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Let's go libras. We're surrounded by libras. Gary, I don't
know what that means.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Well, your wife's a libra, Elmer's a libra. My husband's
a libra. What do you mean you don't know what
that means.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I know what tonight's deep dive is going to be about,
all right, when we come back aology.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
That's what I meant. What did you think I meant? No,
I know what you meant. Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
President Trump is is hosting Mark Carney, the Prime Minister
of Canada, right now in the Oval Office, and he's
fielding some questions about what to do with the National
Guard in these blue lead cities. We'll talk about what's
going on with the Insurrection Act.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
He says, he's what the hell does the Canadian Prime
minister have to do with that?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Nothing? Okay, but he talks about he doesn't care who's
sitting next to him. He wants to talk. Very odd juxtaposition.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
According to the airport spokesperson that just spoke moments ago,
Mike Christiansen, noting that there were no lengthy delays to
departures or arrivals this morning. It's looking great right now.
As we were just talking about, there were fifty six
flights delayed, twelve flights canceled yesterday while the air was
out was without air traffic controllers.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Speaking of air traffic, did you see that helicopter crash
in Sacramento last night? This helicopter medical copter had taken
off from the UC Davis Medical Center just south of
Highway fifty there and it crashed on to Highway fifty
the eastbound lanes of Highway fifty. Sacramento Fire said there
were no patients on that medical helicopter, but a pilot,
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a nurse, and a paramedic. All three of them had
to be taken back to the hospital with critical injuries,
but amazingly they didn't die. And that helicopter, also an
airbus EC one thirty, has what they refer to as
a crash.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Resistant fuel system.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And if you've seen the video, there's one guy who
was on the westbound lanes of the highway saw this
helicopter coming in really low and started recording it, and
you could see he misses the moment of impact, but
he kind of pans back over and sees this helicopter
and the crash resistant fuel system immediately basically sprays fire
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retardant all over the helicopter so that there's no fire.
There was a plume of smoke afterwards, but no fire,
which may have saved the lives of the three people
who were on board.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So, as we mentioned, the President has an audience with
the Canadian Prime Minister right now in the Oval Office
in the White House, and he is taking questions on
a wide array of issues, specifically using the Insurrection Act
once again to deploy federal troops into cities, talking about
the Democrats right now, saying a party with no leadership
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as gold embellishments serve as the backdrop to the entire.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
It's the same thing. It's so gaudy to set the stage.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yesterday, in the same office, different chair, the President was
asked about using the Insurrection Act as a justification for
sending American military into cities.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Well, I do it if it was necessary. So far
it hasn't been necessary. But we have an Insurrection Act
for a reason. If I had to enact it, I'd
do that if people were being killed and courts were
holding us up, or governors or mayors were holding us up.
Sure I do that. I mean I want to make
sure that people aren't killed.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And then this morning he was also asked about it,
this one from just a few minutes ago.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah, well, it's been invoked before.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
As you know, if you look at Chicago, Chicago is
a great city where there's a lot of crime. And
if the governor can't do the job, we'll do the job.
It's all very simple. They probably had fifty murders in
Chicago over the last five six, seven months. Many people
were shot. And then the governor gets up and he
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says well, we can handle it. They can't handle it.
They don't know what they're doing. The mayor is grossly incompetent.
He's at a four percent approval rating in Chicago. He's
at a four percent lowest approval rating.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I don't know where he gets at from. Brandon Johnson
still has an awful rating. He's got a fourteen percent
approval rating right now, but not four Have.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
You noticed that the chairs are gold? I know they
are upholstered gold. You need a weird gold fabric? Yes,
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
The it's the weirdest. It looks like my grandmother's front room.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
The stuff on the on the mantle. Also, those what
are those jugs vases?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Those look to be golf trophies, honestly, but yeah, it
does remind me of my grandparents' front room. They're at
thirty sixth in Kirkham circa nineteen eighty five. A lot
of gold, a lot of gold molding, a lot of
gold polstered chairs, big upholstered chairs, very very reminiscent of that.
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I loved the look, I really did. But here it's different,
isn't it. That's what a way to put it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The insurrection Act would authorize a president to use the
military to suppress an insurrection if a state government requests it,
and there's some leeway in the discretion, like whether or
not the president considers the unrest is obstructing laws of
the United States. Both Trump and one of his right
hand man, this Stephen Miller guy, have invoked the term
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insurrection when they use when they look for justifications for
the National Guard deployments. Now, the last time the Insurrection
Act was used in the United States was during the
riots of nineteen ninety two, the Rodney King Riots. I
guess there was a point also in the US Virgin
Islands after a Hurricane Hugo in nineteen eighty nine. And listen,
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I hate what's going on in Portland and Chicago and
cities with massive amounts of crime, murders, homicides, etc. But
that is a far cry from what we saw here
in la in nineteen ninety two. And he's going to
have a hard time running into running up against even
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his own appointed federal judges. The one that ruled against
him in the deployment of the Oregon National Guard and
then also the California and Texas National Guard to Portland
was a Trump appointee, he's starting to realize. I don't
know if he's realizing that's not the right word. I
think he's coming up against some legal barriers that he
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wasn't expecting.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I am not hearing a lot of fervor for this move,
Trump using the Insurrection Act to mobilize federal troops to
local cities that don't need help. I'm not hearing a
lot of fervor from the Trump base of this is
a great idea. This may be too far. Nobody will
(20:08):
say it. Nobody's gonna say he's going too far. But
this is kind of what you see in other countries
when it comes to the person in power sending in
his people to be the police of all of the municipalities.
It doesn't really happen here unless you need it, unless
you have something like the La riots. And I'm just
not hearing a lot of yes, yeah, I mean, there
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are other things that he could be doing to get
that applause. It's there, it's there for the taking. I
just don't think this is the move to get it.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
When we come back.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Gary's were on TikTok. You would mobilize your troops arms
against a sea of troubles. You're ready to send in
your people to the TikTok headquarters and shut them down.
If you were named president tomorrow, do you think shutting
down TikTok would be up there top five things you do.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I wouldn't do that because I wouldn't want to impose
on a private company.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
But I would an.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Ethical dilemma for you right out of the gate.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
But I would encourage parents.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
To band TikTok from their own homes. I can't make
them do it, that would be wrong, but I can
encourage it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You can encourage it. How are you going to encourage
it just by saying it?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Listen, if I was elected president, there's got to be
eighty million people who are listening to me.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Right, Yeah, that's true. I'm just doing the math on that.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
So not that I'm going to convince all of them,
but I'm going to get my.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Passport in order. Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Olmer, how did you do that? It was like magic?
No way? Serious ours pines and sevens.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
You know, Happy birthday, Elmer, And I want to say
that it is Also my birthday today. I just turned
sixty five and I just received my Medicare eligible Also
Mookie Bess's birth So happy birthday Mookie and Garyus Sennon.
I want to congratulate you both do a great job
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pretending that you're Dodger fans because you work for the
Dodger station and that is quite a feat.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
First of all, I don't think you're listening that closely, Jeff.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Now, Mookie, best you see that play at third Mookie
Beds had to basically.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Like O where he covered the base. Yeah, oh my
goodness hard. That's a hard throw for Max Muncy endowing
it when there's nobody staying it was a beautiful play
to go to third and not first. But we'll continue
to pretend that we're Dodger fans. I don't know if
that under quite understands with it. I appreciate well played baseball.
That is an amazing play, Freeman, you know, getting that
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first incredible to save the game.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Basically, Bro, we watched the game. That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's where it starts and where it at. Elmer,
it's your birthday.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Have a happy mother birthday, Elmer it's your birthday.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Have a very happy mother birthday. What's up? Elmer swimmer
from Catalina Island.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I just want to wish you a happy mother birth him.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I do too, so good, he said, awesome. Mookie Bets
literally was born the same day. We're the same age. Whoa,
he's thirty three. It says Jesus year. So yeah, do
you have anything planned for Jesus Year?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I'm waiting for my superpowers to manifest. Okay, at some
point you give me a request. Do you have any
premonitions about what that's going to be?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Hopefully telekinesis. Okay, Yeah, that's it on top of the list. Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
TikTok and its owner company at least currently is Byte Dance,
and Byte Dance doesn't tell anybody about how they keep
you coming back for more. But The Washington Post has
gone through and done a study where they collected TikTok
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watch histories from about eleven hundred people and then created
a database of about fifteen million videos that were served
up to those people in a six month period, and
they said they showed how effective TikTok is at getting
into your brain and making you stay.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
On the app.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Just watching dumb little videos over and over again again.
I know there are plenty of people who say that
they've learned a lot from TikTok. We have to be
honest with ourselves. For anybody under the age of thirty,
some people use TikTok as their main source of current
events and news.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
It is fascinating, though, what the algorithm seeses on to
keep you focused. It's not always a video of the
same type that gets you to watch. There's a commonality
in the thread of videos that it serves you that
are designed to keep you watching.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Well, think of the different the different qualities that a
video can have, right if you watch.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I'm trying to think of like money.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So I'll give you an example. The last time I
went down a hole on TikTok, it was ballet videos.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
So I started watching girls go across the floor to
a guy who was their ballet teacher. But he talked
to them like he was a football coach, right up
my alley.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
So here's the thing they know that I mean literally,
the fish physical.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Manifestation of what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
The phone itself can tell when it is upright or
when it's down flat.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
On the desk it because it changes.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I mean, we don't think about that sort of thing,
but that's one of the inputs that they use to
determine whether or not you're actively watching it. And then
think to yourself when you see a video like that
and that, I mean, that is just absolutely tickling the
hard part of your lizard brain and you go, oh,
I want to go back and watch that again.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
That is just a goal line for that. What I
did exactly what you did.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So they know a couple of different qualities about that
video that they will then look for all of its
database of other videos of ballet and football. Is there
a combination of the two, Yes, there is. There's probably
thousands of videos that combine the two. And you are
now in line to see all of that. And I
love them. Here's the thing that's the problem. I love
(26:55):
all that that stuff. I will consume all of that.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
It's they're not throwing things in there that I'm like, eh,
put that down. They're constantly giving me things that are
right up my alley. Which is the difference between you know,
and it'll get and I don't know if it's gotten
to the point yet, has it on TikTok, where now
you're being fed advertisements in between and you've got to
kind of wait through those or what have you, or
(27:18):
they're sneaking them in periodically they are they are okay, so.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I stuff you want to buy too? It is See
that's terrifying. Yeah, football cleats that look like ballet shoes.
I wouldn't buy that. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Ballet shoes that look like football cleats.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Stupid.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Again, you would not work for TikTok.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
But then it gets into the secondary qualities of it.
Is their background music is it?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
What if it was a leotard that looked like a jersey.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
That's okay, perfect. I still think mine is better, but
you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
But it is though. It is.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It is the collection of that information, not even stuff
that you have to like or share or stay on.
It's the simple reactions that your phone is recording while
you're using that app that sucks you in. Now, there's
something else going on here that I think is weird
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and I would love to see a study on is
the lost time that people will get into these holes
on Twitter, on Facebook, on Instagram, on TikTok, and they
will when told to put down the phone, we'll say
to themselves, oh my god, how did I just spend
thirty seven minutes doing that? That felt like it was nothing?
(28:36):
Or I just spent an hour and nine minutes on
TikTok doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But I will say this, watching the ballet football mashup
videos or that funnel me into more football videos or
more ballet videos or more motivational videos. That makes me
feel better after I'm done with those thirty seven minutes
that I lost. Then I would feel if I lost
thirty seven minutes looking at news or Instagram or anything
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else on my phone.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Because it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, because it's something that you enjoy, right, It's not
something you're doing for work.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
It's entertaining, and it's something that's not doom scrolling.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
But and I think this is where the danger comes in,
And this is when we start talking about addiction as
a real thing in social media. Is it's gonna find
something more specific. And I don't know how to define
this because I'm not sure that if there is such
a thing, it's going to be more ballet and more
football at the same time, more balletic and more football
(29:41):
lick at the same time. Because if we use this
analogy of social media is the ultra processed food for
our brain. That's the same mechanism that goes in. They're
gonna put more sugar, they're gonna put more salt, They're
gonna put more of the things that taste good to you,
or in this case, make your brain feel good so
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that you keep coming back to it.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Listen, I spent you know, four days trying to get
Mario to make the jump from the brick ground into
the cloud that would lead him down into the underground
world in nineteen ninety one. Sure so the pipeline. Sure so,
us talking about all this like they're going to add
(30:27):
more sugar in your algorithm and they're going to addict
you even more.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Is cute.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Because we did that. We fell prey to the same crap.
It was just a different game.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
We've been eating the food for all. You've been doing
this stuff for thirty years. All right, Well, listen, here
we are.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Elmer's parents were knocking it out making little baby Elmer,
and we were playing Mario Brothers for sixteen hours straight,
and we all turned out just as we were going
to turn out.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
La County arguably failed during the fires back in January.
What have they done to fix all the coordination issues
now nine months later.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
We'll talk about that when we come back.
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
You've seen the commercial Rob McAlhaney and Khalil Elmer helped
me out with his last name. I have no idea
the comedian.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
All I know is Khalil Mack. That's the only Khalil
I have in my life.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I let me google it anyway.
Speaker 2 (00:31):
It's the commercial about how Rob mclaney and this guy
are going back and forth and every time the camera
cuts back to them, they're wearing something more extravagant that
reminds me of what's going on at these.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
This is a great story to start with. D D.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
White House is the President is meeting with the Canadian
Prime Minister in the Oval Office right now, and there's
a lot that's been made about the gold ornate.
Speaker 3 (00:54):
Ridiculous director.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Oh my god, it's so bad today or good, however
you want to look at it.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
These decorations that have been put up around the Oval Office,
which makes it look like the King's internal chamber like
it does.
Speaker 3 (01:07):
It does.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
The great on the fireplace is now adorned all in
gold molding. It is a little bit much. It's a
little ostentatious for my blood.
Speaker 3 (01:21):
I would just like to point out male nonjeanny. That's
what I'm thinking.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
And you thought Elmer was going to come up with that, because.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Anyway they're discussing their terrorists, among other things. It just
cracks me up because I think every time we cut
back to the Oval Office, there's more gold.
Speaker 1 (01:37):
There is more gold, and it's brighter and it's bigger.
Absolutely right. He's so pissed. Trump is so pissed that
people were taking to social media and saying it was
cheap gold and that it was home depot sconces that
were spray painted gold. He got so upset over that.
So now it's just golder and bigger. A couple things apparently,
October seventh, October sixth into October seventh is when fall arrives.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
It feels like fall. It felt like fall.
Speaker 1 (02:01):
Yesterday afternoon evening. It feels like fall today. And it
is Elmer's birthday.
Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, it is Elmer's birthday. Yes, you made me a cake.
I did make you a cakeke me a cake? I did.
I made it with love. It's so beautiful. I'm so
glad you love it.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
Imagine if I ate all of it right now by
myself and I didn't share with anyone.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
You can do that. That's your birthday, is your prerogative,
it's your right. I think I would get sick. You would. No,
you wouldn't.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Thanks, Yeah, you probably would at your age, maybe ten
years ago. But now you've got to start thinking about,
you know, how's my body going to respond to this
whole cake?
Speaker 3 (02:37):
Boy, Tommy not twenty three anymore.
Speaker 2 (02:40):
Tommy had been throwing a lawn dart for that last
out in the Dodgers Phillies game last night. Oh my goodness,
that's the shortest throw in all of baseball, and he
threw it ten feet shorter than he had to.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
I live with a very peaceful person. He does not
yell or get upset or show emotion. He does not
scream out expletives. But I have heard and it's always
in the eighth inning, sometimes in the ninth, like it
was last night.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Very tense moments in the home.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
And I realize what I'm like to live within those moments,
and I think.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
Ooh, little mirror, help handle that. That's too much.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
Well, it's just stressful because I like I soak in
people's emotions, you know, and it's like he's so stressed,
he's so angry, and I get it. So I'm angry
over baseball, and I'm just like, what is going on?
Why woul't you put Sasaki in?
Speaker 3 (03:34):
What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (03:35):
David Roberts, you know, And I'm like, I don't care.
But it's just, you know, it's just the tension and
the feeling takes up the whole room.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Yeah, it can be tough. It can be a lot.
It can be a lot. I mean, it can be
a lot.
Speaker 2 (03:48):
Hollywood Burbank Airport air traffic is back to normal this
morning as of right now, but yesterday for about six hours,
there was nobody in the control tower because of government
shutdown slash people call them in sick Now, air traffic
controllers are expected to go to work.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
They will not.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
They're not currently being paid, but obviously they will be
getting back pay once the government shutdown is over. There's
also a problem with one of the runways under construction there,
So Burbank right now is kind of a choke point.
It can be on certain days if they're not you know,
staffed in the air traffic control tower.
Speaker 3 (04:28):
So yesterday was one of those.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
This is how the government shut down in twenty nineteen
came to an end. Of course, it all was about
LaGuardia and East Coast Airport, and it surely probably will
be again. But I mean outgoing flights at Hollywood at
Burbank delayed an average of two hours and thirty one minutes.
That doesn't happen at Burbank Airport, and that's something that
(04:50):
people are going to start getting actually upset about.
Speaker 2 (04:53):
Yeah, this is this is I don't canary on the
coal mine kind of thing, but it is one of
those issues that because it reaches so many people and
can have such an impact, soon this is going to
be This may be the thing.
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Speaker 1 (06:03):
So, we got the news during the Conway Show yesterday
that Burbank Airport was going to operate without air traffic controllers.
Speaker 3 (06:09):
How does that work?
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Well, they've got regional air traffic controllers and places like
San Diego that can kind of handle that kind of
traffic for a limited amount of time. We saw the
same thing with air traffic controllers out of Philadelphia handling
air traffic into LaGuardia when that airport was without air
traffic controllers. This was just hours after the union representing
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these controllers told their members to keep working during the
shutdown despite the fact that they may be missing paychecks.
No paychecks missing so far, but it's on the horizon.
Transportation Secretary Sean Deffi said yesterday at a news conference
a TSA so far has seen a slight increase in
the air traffic controllers calling in six since the shutdown
(06:55):
began last week. Where are we on that peers both sides,
Democrats and Republicans are locked into their positions. We're at
the one week mark or we will be without a
clear resolution as of right now.
Speaker 2 (07:10):
Flight Aware says that there are some flights that have
about a thirty minute arrivals at Burbank that are having
about a thirty minute delay because of what's been going on,
But we do believe that the tower itself is fully
staffed again this morning.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
The Senate is expected to vote again today on dueling
measures to fund the government to end the shutdown. The
bills fell short yesterday of the sixty votes needed for
the one, two, three, four, Fifth time Senate Majority Leader
John Thune saying the Chamber will keep voting on the
same bills over and over. It sounds like fun, sounds
(07:46):
like the definition of insanity.
Speaker 3 (07:50):
And we're not getting anywhere.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I mean, the language itself has not changed from Hakeem Jeffries,
the Minority leader in the House, the Speaker of the House,
Mike Johnson, and then over in the Senate Chuck Schumer
and John Thune. They none of the language has changed.
There may be some back channel negotiations that are going on,
some phone calls, some discussions in the hallways that we
(08:14):
are not privy to that could be moving this forward,
but it's as of right now, it seems like this
is going to take at least a couple of weeks
before anybody feels like they have to move.
Speaker 1 (08:25):
People are saying things like I would have flown out
in and out of Lax had I known. That's a
rare thing to say. If nobody's saying in and out
of Burbank, don't.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
Forget there is there is a specific One of the
reasons that Burbank specifically is getting the attention is because
they're also doing runway construction, So the regular traffic in
and out of Burbank has already choked, and if you're
going to have anything that puts pressure on that, that's
why you're going to see delays like that. It's not
the only airport you mentioned Newark Liberty back in Jersey,
(08:59):
DA Denver International is also seeing problems Harry Reid International
over in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
But some of these airports are always such a mess
that it is not something that rises to the level
of public consciousness. You have a three hour to lay
out of Burbank and it's notable.
Speaker 2 (09:14):
Yeah, and that I think is the canary in the
coal mine for a lot of people. If people are
aware like we are about how well Burbank is run
and usually easy it is to get in and out of,
that may be what it is that is the first
domino to fall when it comes to putting an end
to the government shutdown.
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Where did that phrase originate? Canary in a coal mine?
I think that's worth a closer look.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
People used to take canaries into coal mines and if
there was a odorless gas that would be dangerous carbon monoxide. Yeah,
it would kill. That would kill the canary before it
would kill the humans. But once the canary died, everybody
got to get out. That's awful.
Speaker 1 (09:55):
That's poor canaries, after they've given their lives to annoy
us in households for the the entire history of the world.
You're gonna kill them in the coal mines?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
Not cool?
Speaker 2 (10:07):
You don't intend to it, just sure you do, it's
the sacrificial lamb.
Speaker 3 (10:14):
I'm sure they're getting like snacks and being Federals, I.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
Don't think they're getting snacks well. And what I mean, Elmer,
would a baganacha cheese doritos make a difference to you
if you were taken to your death for the safety
of what was considered a greater human being.
Speaker 3 (10:29):
Vallid.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Yeah, It's notable that the twenty nineteen government shut down
was ended when controllers at important facilities i e. The
East Coast airports began calling in sick at high rates,
and you saw these flight delays that were not in California,
and Trump basically put together legislation to end that shut
(10:52):
down right quick.
Speaker 3 (10:54):
So we'll see.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I've said that I think that this is probably the
thing that that gets so somebody moving on this. You
can't have likely you're a failed country if your government
shut down means that people can't get anywhere they need
to go.
Speaker 2 (11:08):
If if the on time arrival numbers are better in
nwokchot International Airport than they are, where's that is that Inwokchot, No,
that's in Africa?
Speaker 3 (11:19):
Africa? What kind of traffic do they do?
Speaker 1 (11:23):
Look at you did you stay up lade doing African geography.
Speaker 3 (11:27):
And everybody, I love that you do that.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
See what Gary does sometimes unbeknownst to most of us.
Speaker 3 (11:33):
I just found out about it recently, Mauritania. Sorry not
not Senegalue, Mauritania, is.
Speaker 1 (11:38):
That sometimes when he can't sleep, he stays up all
night doing deep dives on very esoteric topics or lands.
And we are the beneficiaries of that. So thank you,
thank you, You're welcome.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
I have a T shirt that says I went to
Niwokchot and all I got missus crabby t shirt.
Speaker 3 (11:57):
See and now you've owned it.
Speaker 1 (11:58):
That was a stupid joke that belongs in a program
with a person less less than you.
Speaker 3 (12:05):
Gary, no matter how much he willed that throw to
go in the dugout. Yeah, it was stilling out.
Speaker 6 (12:10):
I know.
Speaker 3 (12:10):
Suck on that Dodger hated.
Speaker 1 (12:11):
Whoa Wow, suck on that whoa It is nine six, sir,
But there's no there is not one Dodger fan watching
that game who want that ball left Tommy Edmond's hands,
and you saw Freddy Freeman have to go down on
a knee for a thirty foot throw, you were terrified.
That is as a harder ball for Freddy Freeman to
(12:35):
field than it would be if Max Montsey had fired
one hundred mile an hour ball into the dirt from
third base. So you haven't watched a lot of Dodger
baseball this year. I would imagine Freddy Freeman has hit
a lot at first base. Oh he's That was amazing.
That was indicative of the whole year that I know
of him.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Yeah, he is very, very good at what he does.
Happy birthday, Elmer, it's my birthday too. Eat that cake.
Eat that cake, Eat that cake. I love that.
Speaker 7 (13:07):
Buh.
Speaker 3 (13:08):
Let's go libras. We're surrounded by libras. Gary, I don't
know what that means.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Well, your wife's a libra, Elmer's a libra. My husband's
a libra. What do you mean you don't know what
that means.
Speaker 3 (13:20):
I don't know what that means.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
I know what tonight's deep dive is going to be about,
all right, when we come back aology.
Speaker 3 (13:29):
That's what I meant. What did you think I meant? No,
I know what you meant. Okay.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
President Trump is is hosting Mark Carney, the Prime Minister
of Canada, right now in the Oval Office, and he's
fielding some questions about what to do with the National
Guard in these blue lead cities. We'll talk about what's
going on with the Insurrection Act.
Speaker 1 (13:48):
He says, he's what the hell does the Canadian Prime
minister have to do with that?
Speaker 3 (13:53):
Nothing? Okay, but he talks about he doesn't care who's
sitting next to him. He wants to talk. Very odd juxtaposition.
Speaker 5 (14:00):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 1 (14:07):
According to the airport spokesperson that just spoke moments ago,
Mike Christiansen, noting that there were no lengthy delays to
departures or arrivals this morning. It's looking great right now.
As we were just talking about, there were fifty six
flights delayed, twelve flights canceled yesterday while the air was
out was without air traffic controllers.
Speaker 2 (14:29):
Speaking of air traffic, did you see that helicopter crash
in Sacramento last night? This helicopter medical copter had taken
off from the UC Davis Medical Center just south of
Highway fifty there and it crashed on to Highway fifty
the eastbound lanes of Highway fifty. Sacramento Fire said there
were no patients on that medical helicopter, but a pilot,
(14:51):
a nurse, and a paramedic. All three of them had
to be taken back to the hospital with critical injuries,
but amazingly they didn't die. And that helicopter, also an
airbus EC one thirty, has what they refer to as
a crash.
Speaker 3 (15:06):
Resistant fuel system.
Speaker 2 (15:08):
And if you've seen the video, there's one guy who
was on the westbound lanes of the highway saw this
helicopter coming in really low and started recording it, and
you could see he misses the moment of impact, but
he kind of pans back over and sees this helicopter
and the crash resistant fuel system immediately basically sprays fire
(15:31):
retardant all over the helicopter so that there's no fire.
There was a plume of smoke afterwards, but no fire,
which may have saved the lives of the three people
who were on board.
Speaker 1 (15:41):
So, as we mentioned, the President has an audience with
the Canadian Prime Minister right now in the Oval Office
in the White House, and he is taking questions on
a wide array of issues, specifically using the Insurrection Act
once again to deploy federal troops into cities, talking about
the Democrats right now, saying a party with no leadership
(16:01):
as gold embellishments serve as the backdrop to the entire.
Speaker 3 (16:06):
It's the same thing. It's so gaudy to set the stage.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Yesterday, in the same office, different chair, the President was
asked about using the Insurrection Act as a justification for
sending American military into cities.
Speaker 7 (16:20):
Well, I do it if it was necessary. So far
it hasn't been necessary. But we have an Insurrection Act
for a reason. If I had to enact it, I'd
do that if people were being killed and courts were
holding us up, or governors or mayors were holding us up.
Sure I do that. I mean I want to make
sure that people aren't killed.
Speaker 2 (16:38):
And then this morning he was also asked about it,
this one from just a few minutes ago.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
Yeah, well, it's been invoked before.
Speaker 7 (16:44):
As you know, if you look at Chicago, Chicago is
a great city where there's a lot of crime. And
if the governor can't do the job, we'll do the job.
It's all very simple. They probably had fifty murders in
Chicago over the last five six, seven months. Many people
were shot. And then the governor gets up and he
(17:06):
says well, we can handle it. They can't handle it.
They don't know what they're doing. The mayor is grossly incompetent.
He's at a four percent approval rating in Chicago. He's
at a four percent lowest approval rating.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
I don't know where he gets at from. Brandon Johnson
still has an awful rating. He's got a fourteen percent
approval rating right now, but not four Have.
Speaker 8 (17:25):
You noticed that the chairs are gold? I know they
are upholstered gold. You need a weird gold fabric? Yes,
I don't know what.
Speaker 3 (17:35):
The it's the weirdest. It looks like my grandmother's front room.
Speaker 2 (17:39):
The stuff on the on the mantle. Also, those what
are those jugs vases?
Speaker 1 (17:45):
Those look to be golf trophies, honestly, but yeah, it
does remind me of my grandparents' front room. They're at
thirty sixth in Kirkham circa nineteen eighty five. A lot
of gold, a lot of gold molding, a lot of
gold polstered chairs, big upholstered chairs, very very reminiscent of that.
(18:07):
I loved the look, I really did. But here it's different,
isn't it. That's what a way to put it.
Speaker 2 (18:14):
The insurrection Act would authorize a president to use the
military to suppress an insurrection if a state government requests it,
and there's some leeway in the discretion, like whether or
not the president considers the unrest is obstructing laws of
the United States. Both Trump and one of his right
hand man, this Stephen Miller guy, have invoked the term
(18:37):
insurrection when they use when they look for justifications for
the National Guard deployments. Now, the last time the Insurrection
Act was used in the United States was during the
riots of nineteen ninety two, the Rodney King Riots. I
guess there was a point also in the US Virgin
Islands after a Hurricane Hugo in nineteen eighty nine. And listen,
(19:00):
I hate what's going on in Portland and Chicago and
cities with massive amounts of crime, murders, homicides, etc. But
that is a far cry from what we saw here
in la in nineteen ninety two. And he's going to
have a hard time running into running up against even
(19:22):
his own appointed federal judges. The one that ruled against
him in the deployment of the Oregon National Guard and
then also the California and Texas National Guard to Portland
was a Trump appointee, he's starting to realize. I don't
know if he's realizing that's not the right word. I
think he's coming up against some legal barriers that he
(19:45):
wasn't expecting.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
I am not hearing a lot of fervor for this move,
Trump using the Insurrection Act to mobilize federal troops to
local cities that don't need help. I'm not hearing a
lot of fervor from the Trump base of this is
a great idea. This may be too far. Nobody will
(20:08):
say it. Nobody's gonna say he's going too far. But
this is kind of what you see in other countries
when it comes to the person in power sending in
his people to be the police of all of the municipalities.
It doesn't really happen here unless you need it, unless
you have something like the La riots. And I'm just
not hearing a lot of yes, yeah, I mean, there
(20:31):
are other things that he could be doing to get
that applause. It's there, it's there for the taking. I
just don't think this is the move to get it.
Speaker 3 (20:39):
When we come back.
Speaker 1 (20:40):
Gary's were on TikTok. You would mobilize your troops arms
against a sea of troubles. You're ready to send in
your people to the TikTok headquarters and shut them down.
If you were named president tomorrow, do you think shutting
down TikTok would be up there top five things you do.
Speaker 2 (20:59):
I wouldn't do that because I wouldn't want to impose
on a private company.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
But I would an.
Speaker 1 (21:03):
Ethical dilemma for you right out of the gate.
Speaker 3 (21:06):
But I would encourage parents.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
To band TikTok from their own homes. I can't make
them do it, that would be wrong, but I can
encourage it.
Speaker 1 (21:19):
You can encourage it. How are you going to encourage
it just by saying it?
Speaker 3 (21:23):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (21:24):
Listen, if I was elected president, there's got to be
eighty million people who are listening to me.
Speaker 3 (21:29):
Right, Yeah, that's true. I'm just doing the math on that.
Speaker 2 (21:35):
So not that I'm going to convince all of them,
but I'm going to get my.
Speaker 3 (21:39):
Passport in order. Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 5 (21:46):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (21:53):
Olmer, how did you do that? It was like magic?
No way? Serious ours pines and sevens.
Speaker 6 (22:01):
You know, Happy birthday, Elmer, And I want to say
that it is Also my birthday today. I just turned
sixty five and I just received my Medicare eligible Also
Mookie Bess's birth So happy birthday Mookie and Garyus Sennon.
I want to congratulate you both do a great job
(22:23):
pretending that you're Dodger fans because you work for the
Dodger station and that is quite a feat.
Speaker 5 (22:28):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (22:29):
First of all, I don't think you're listening that closely, Jeff.
Speaker 1 (22:32):
Now, Mookie, best you see that play at third Mookie
Beds had to basically.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
Like O where he covered the base. Yeah, oh my
goodness hard. That's a hard throw for Max Muncy endowing
it when there's nobody staying it was a beautiful play
to go to third and not first. But we'll continue
to pretend that we're Dodger fans. I don't know if
that under quite understands with it. I appreciate well played baseball.
That is an amazing play, Freeman, you know, getting that
(23:03):
first incredible to save the game.
Speaker 3 (23:06):
Basically, Bro, we watched the game. That's it. That's it.
That's it. That's where it starts and where it at. Elmer,
it's your birthday.
Speaker 6 (23:15):
Have a happy mother birthday, Elmer it's your birthday.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
Have a very happy mother birthday. What's up? Elmer swimmer
from Catalina Island.
Speaker 4 (23:26):
I just want to wish you a happy mother birth him.
Speaker 3 (23:32):
I do too, so good, he said, awesome. Mookie Bets
literally was born the same day. We're the same age. Whoa,
he's thirty three. It says Jesus year. So yeah, do
you have anything planned for Jesus Year?
Speaker 4 (23:49):
I'm waiting for my superpowers to manifest. Okay, at some
point you give me a request. Do you have any
premonitions about what that's going to be?
Speaker 3 (23:57):
Hopefully telekinesis. Okay, Yeah, that's it on top of the list. Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
TikTok and its owner company at least currently is Byte Dance,
and Byte Dance doesn't tell anybody about how they keep
you coming back for more. But The Washington Post has
gone through and done a study where they collected TikTok
(24:27):
watch histories from about eleven hundred people and then created
a database of about fifteen million videos that were served
up to those people in a six month period, and
they said they showed how effective TikTok is at getting
into your brain and making you stay.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
On the app.
Speaker 2 (24:51):
Just watching dumb little videos over and over again again.
I know there are plenty of people who say that
they've learned a lot from TikTok. We have to be
honest with ourselves. For anybody under the age of thirty,
some people use TikTok as their main source of current
events and news.
Speaker 1 (25:08):
It is fascinating, though, what the algorithm seeses on to
keep you focused. It's not always a video of the
same type that gets you to watch. There's a commonality
in the thread of videos that it serves you that
are designed to keep you watching.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
Well, think of the different the different qualities that a
video can have, right if you watch.
Speaker 3 (25:36):
I'm trying to think of like money.
Speaker 1 (25:37):
So I'll give you an example. The last time I
went down a hole on TikTok, it was ballet videos.
Speaker 3 (25:42):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (25:43):
So I started watching girls go across the floor to
a guy who was their ballet teacher. But he talked
to them like he was a football coach, right up
my alley.
Speaker 3 (25:54):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (25:54):
So here's the thing they know that I mean literally,
the fish physical.
Speaker 3 (26:00):
Manifestation of what you're doing.
Speaker 2 (26:02):
The phone itself can tell when it is upright or
when it's down flat.
Speaker 3 (26:07):
On the desk it because it changes.
Speaker 2 (26:09):
I mean, we don't think about that sort of thing,
but that's one of the inputs that they use to
determine whether or not you're actively watching it. And then
think to yourself when you see a video like that
and that, I mean, that is just absolutely tickling the
hard part of your lizard brain and you go, oh,
I want to go back and watch that again.
Speaker 3 (26:29):
That is just a goal line for that. What I
did exactly what you did.
Speaker 2 (26:34):
So they know a couple of different qualities about that
video that they will then look for all of its
database of other videos of ballet and football. Is there
a combination of the two, Yes, there is. There's probably
thousands of videos that combine the two. And you are
now in line to see all of that. And I
love them. Here's the thing that's the problem. I love
(26:55):
all that that stuff. I will consume all of that.
Speaker 1 (26:58):
It's they're not throwing things in there that I'm like, eh,
put that down. They're constantly giving me things that are
right up my alley. Which is the difference between you know,
and it'll get and I don't know if it's gotten
to the point yet, has it on TikTok, where now
you're being fed advertisements in between and you've got to
kind of wait through those or what have you, or
(27:18):
they're sneaking them in periodically they are they are okay, so.
Speaker 3 (27:22):
I stuff you want to buy too? It is See
that's terrifying. Yeah, football cleats that look like ballet shoes.
I wouldn't buy that. That's ridiculous.
Speaker 2 (27:30):
Ballet shoes that look like football cleats.
Speaker 3 (27:33):
Stupid.
Speaker 1 (27:34):
Again, you would not work for TikTok.
Speaker 3 (27:37):
Maybe not.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
But then it gets into the secondary qualities of it.
Is their background music is it?
Speaker 3 (27:44):
What if it was a leotard that looked like a jersey.
Speaker 2 (27:47):
That's okay, perfect. I still think mine is better, but
you can do whatever you want.
Speaker 3 (27:52):
But it is though. It is.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
It is the collection of that information, not even stuff
that you have to like or share or stay on.
It's the simple reactions that your phone is recording while
you're using that app that sucks you in. Now, there's
something else going on here that I think is weird
(28:14):
and I would love to see a study on is
the lost time that people will get into these holes
on Twitter, on Facebook, on Instagram, on TikTok, and they
will when told to put down the phone, we'll say
to themselves, oh my god, how did I just spend
thirty seven minutes doing that? That felt like it was nothing?
(28:36):
Or I just spent an hour and nine minutes on
TikTok doing nothing.
Speaker 1 (28:42):
But I will say this, watching the ballet football mashup
videos or that funnel me into more football videos or
more ballet videos or more motivational videos. That makes me
feel better after I'm done with those thirty seven minutes
that I lost. Then I would feel if I lost
thirty seven minutes looking at news or Instagram or anything
(29:04):
else on my phone.
Speaker 3 (29:07):
Because it.
Speaker 2 (29:10):
Yeah, because it's something that you enjoy, right, It's not
something you're doing for work.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
It's entertaining, and it's something that's not doom scrolling.
Speaker 3 (29:19):
Right.
Speaker 2 (29:20):
But and I think this is where the danger comes in,
And this is when we start talking about addiction as
a real thing in social media. Is it's gonna find
something more specific. And I don't know how to define
this because I'm not sure that if there is such
a thing, it's going to be more ballet and more
football at the same time, more balletic and more football
(29:41):
lick at the same time. Because if we use this
analogy of social media is the ultra processed food for
our brain. That's the same mechanism that goes in. They're
gonna put more sugar, they're gonna put more salt, They're
gonna put more of the things that taste good to you,
or in this case, make your brain feel good so
(30:03):
that you keep coming back to it.
Speaker 1 (30:06):
Listen, I spent you know, four days trying to get
Mario to make the jump from the brick ground into
the cloud that would lead him down into the underground
world in nineteen ninety one. Sure so the pipeline. Sure so,
us talking about all this like they're going to add
(30:27):
more sugar in your algorithm and they're going to addict
you even more.
Speaker 3 (30:30):
Is cute.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
Because we did that. We fell prey to the same crap.
It was just a different game.
Speaker 3 (30:35):
We've been eating the food for all. You've been doing
this stuff for thirty years. All right, Well, listen, here
we are.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Elmer's parents were knocking it out making little baby Elmer,
and we were playing Mario Brothers for sixteen hours straight,
and we all turned out just as we were going
to turn out.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
La County arguably failed during the fires back in January.
What have they done to fix all the coordination issues
now nine months later.
Speaker 3 (31:04):
We'll talk about that when we come back.
Speaker 2 (31:05):
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Speaker 3 (31:13):
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Speaker 2 (31:15):
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