July 24, 2025 • 31 mins
#SwampWatch /#TechTalk w/Marc Saltzman. Luan Pham Chief Marketing Officer for Byrna joins Gary and Shannon to talk about their less than lethal launchers.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
A M. Six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on
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is in. What does it all mean? We will dive
into that coming up later on in the program. Eleven
o'clock is where we dive into Washington.
Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheap and a liar.
And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipop.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
So here we got the real problem is that our
leaders are dumb.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
The other side never quits, so what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
So that is how you train the swap.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by
what has been. You know, murvants have always been going
at president. They're not stupid.
Speaker 5 (00:45):
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Speaker 2 (01:04):
I guess who's going to the Fed Reserve today.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
President Trump is scheduled to visit the Federal Reserve in
person today. This is after weeks now a couple of
months of pressure against Chair Jerome Powell. He has said
that Powell has not lowered interest rates fast enough. In fact,
he refers to him as Jerome too late Powell when
he refers to him in his truth social post. Now,
(01:30):
there has been a renovation going on at the Fed
Reserve headquarters, and this is ostensibly why the President is going.
He wants to review the two point five billion dollar
renovation that's underway in the headquarters. The project has been
hit by cost overruns, and this is one reason that
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President Trump might try to add more pressure to getting
rid of Jerome Powell. Of course, Supreme Court ruling indicated
the president's powers over the Executive Branch officials do not
necessarily apply to the Fed Reserve because it's not a
full fledged government agency the way others are. So it's
not clear exactly what's going to happen if the President's
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going to make any comments while he's there at the
Fed Reserve.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
But this is interesting timing to say the least.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
The business community hates it. They like the separation between
the Fed and the president. All right, So we are
hearing more about the strategy. It's a constant reconfiguring of
strategy at the White House when it comes to how
to deal with this Jeffrey Epstein story. And it appears
that President Trump and his aides have settled on a
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strategy of silence when it comes to Epstein. This is
according to a senior administration official and Republicans familiar with
the White House's thinking. This is a break from Trump's
usual crisis communications template, which emphasizes all on deck type
of approach when defending him on TV on social media.
(03:05):
This whole saga has been met with more restraint from
the White House. Trump himself has signaled that he doesn't
want members of his administration talking about the matter NonStop.
This is according to a person close to the White House.
White House aids have made it clear that no one
in the administration is allowed to talk about Epstein without
high level vetting. This was according to a senior administration
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official spoke on condition of anonymity. The Communications Office has
to be very directly involved in every aspect of this,
every I must be dotted, every team must be crossed again.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
This is one of those things. I mentioned this yesterday.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
I thought about it yesterday afternoon reading a couple of
different articles about how Donald Trump the person for the
last ten years has been able to alter the media
coverage of whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
He has been the the wind that filled the sales
of the news media over the course of the last
ten years and whatever he was doing or whatever was
being done to him. And this is a situation where
he has lost some of that ability, where he's not
been able to change the narrative of what's going on.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
He did change it for a moment last week when
I believe he had the Wall Street Journal land that
report about the fiftieth birthday album for Jeffrey Epstein, because
that did change the direction of those sales a little bit.
The media started focusing on that fiftieth birthday album. They
started focusing on all the Wall Street Journal stuff. And
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so the MAGA bas was like, oh, hell no, we
can ask for our president to show us the Epstein files,
but we will not stand for the media piling on.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's too far.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And they were given this shared enemy in the media
again for a moment, and then.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
A story that usually would be a big deal.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You've got Tulci Gabbard out there in the White House
briefing room saying that Barack Obama's guilty of treason and
she's got documents. Nobody paid attention to that. That should
have been a big distraction. That should have had all
the media talking treason. It had nobody talking about it.
That failed. That was a lead balloon.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
It's also a pattern that we've seen, the latest version
of a pattern that we've seen over the last couple
of years is while one party is dealing with something,
some internal struggle, the other party is regrouping. And right now,
I mean think since since Donald Trump was elected last November,
the Democratic Party has been in shambles. They've been trying
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to figure out what happened, what happened to Joe Biden,
Why did they pick Kamala Harris? Was she the best candidate?
How do they get how do they go forward? Who's
the leader of the party. I mean, they're dealing with
a lot of the same issues that Republicans had been
dealing with a couple of years ago, but this is
the issue that's giving them cover to regroup now. I
don't know they have the wherewithal the intelligence at the
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top of the party to come up with a plan
going forward, but at least it gives them some sort
of political cover so that they can do the work
that's needed for the party, so they can come back
out and then if they can use this going into November,
but also going into next November, which would be the
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midterms coming up.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
In more than a year.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
But are they kind are Democrats kind of trying to
stay quiet on this as well because they also don't
know what's in those files.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It's very possible.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I mean, listen, if you think that, if you think
that Bill and Hillary Clinton have their name in whatever
the files are, just like Donald Trump has his name
in the files. Yeah, that's probably a minefield that you're
not quite sure how heavily populated it is with minds.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So are minefield? Where are the minds? Nobody knows how
many are there?
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Too?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Are there two hundred? We're pushing up? Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Mark Saltzman was going to join us next segment. We're
doing an earlier segment with Mark to talk specifically about
some new technology cool tech for your hot summer.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Oh, cool tech for your hot summer. That sounds like
a morning news show program. Are we going to do
fitness tips next?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
And then the best cats for adoption? Hmmm, five pound
dumbbells are ten. Gary and Shannon will continue alo. We're awful.
We are awful people.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I am embarrassed you're listening to Gary and Shannon on
demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, we are outside in the summer, and that doesn't
mean that it's not time for some cool technology. Mark
Saltzman joins us now with some special tips on some
special tech that will make our summer even more enjoyable.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Mark, the machines are getting smarter.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
This is tech Talk, brought to you by sky Net.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Thank thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Mark.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
We know you're busy and we appreciate you bumping up
just a segment today.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, always all good, all good, big news day too.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, there is just a lot going on.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
You wrote an article about keeping cool in the hot
summer and some tech that allows us to do that.
So let's talk about the The one I think is
the funniest because I've seen people wear these these neck
air conditioners that have come quite a long way since
they first appeared on the market.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I too think they look ridiculous. However, until you try it,
then you're sold. And they are getting smaller and they
are getting better, So yeah, you're referring to Yeah, they're
really just called neck air conditioners, and as the name suggests,
it is like portable air conditioning that you wear around
your neck. And so these are getting more and more popular,
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the hotter that our summers are getting in, the more
humid that they're getting, depending on where you're listening to
this show. So, yeah, there's a new one. It's more
of a premium priced device. It's called the Coolifi two
S and it's from a company called Taurus that's toubr As.
So I had a chance to review these. They're one
sixty nine, so not cheap, but they wow.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
They work.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
So you basically put this thing around your neck. Again,
they're not as big as they used to be. You
press a button and there's varying degrees of intensity and
you get with the company calls three hundred and sixty
degree air circulation. So it does feel like you have
the air con cranked in your car, but it's around
your neck. It feels amazing. It's also much quieter than
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many other brands, and much better battery so topping twenty
eight hours on a single charge. And it comes with
the cables and there's different colors and stuff to choose from.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
But it's great.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I've used one of these football game here at SOFI
for Chargers games. It is a mostly covered stadium and
it kind of gives a greenhouse feel when it comes
to humidity there, and my gosh, I couldn't get over
how well these portable fans work just to instantly cool.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You down there. I mean, it was a game changer.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
They're also getting more high tech this this model that
I talked about, the Coolified two s.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
There's also an app on a phone.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That will wirelessly talk to the device that you can
tweak settings. There's different modes like cool versus wind, or
even seat for winter months.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
If you're holding in your walking the dog, hold on.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I got to go to my phone to tweak the
settings as opposed to just reaching to my neck.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And yeah, true, true. And it's just one button.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's one button on the device that one is to
turn it on and then you can press it a
couple of times to increase the intensity.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
But it's if you want to change the modes.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, then you got to reach for your phone, which
you never leave home without anyways, Let's let's be honest.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It's true. Yeah the another Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
I was going to say I'm fascinated by this as
well because the technology of batteries has come so far
that these new portable power stations are basically instead of
a generator, you're looking at a battery that's going to
supply you, are supply electricity for you.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
So instead of a gas based generator, these are battery based.
So just like cars are going from combustion engine to electric,
so are these portable power stations that you can take
to a camping site, to an RV park, or just
keep at home in the event of an outage, which happens,
so you can plug all your appliances into these things.
(11:27):
And that's a good point is that if you live
in a condo or an apartment building, you are not
allowed a gas based one, nor should you even have
one inside. If you have a home, like a traditional home,
you should not have a gas based generator. They're also
not just not safe, but they're allowed and they're smelly
as well, so a company called Anchor that you may
know from the small power banks that you would maybe
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keep in your purse or backpack to charge up your smartphone.
They have a line of portable power stations or generators
called Solix that's s like sam Olix, but yeah, you
need to juice this up. You need to plug it
into the wall, or you can also buy optional solar
panels that can plug into it if you are in
an RB park or a campsite to keep it topped up.
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But once you have a charged up you just turn
it off and then you keep it in the event
of an emergency. And it's got multiple AC plugs, USB ports,
so you can charge up your you know, keep your
lights going, your laptops, your CEPAP machines, other medical equipment,
small appliances, even large appliances, depending on the size of
the unit, just like a power bank that you would
use on your smartphone, the higher the milliam, the more
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times you can use it. So the higher end ones
are you know, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, but they
generally start at about two hundred two fifty. Some of
the bigger ones come on wheels with a handle because
they are big and heavy. But again, those who have
a summer home, like where I live in Canada, it's
if you can afford it. A lot of people have
a lake home, you know, lake house home kind of thing,
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or cottager cabin. So this is great because there's often power.
So yeah, the anchor line of Soli's power banks or
emergency generators are a great idea.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
We would like to come to the lake home. Yeah
that sounds that sounds really beautiful.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah, well I don't own one, but my friends.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I thought, well that makes does your friend is does
he no technology too?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Maybe we do a little switch out.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I think they would love to have Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Up there grilling one of the other. We talk about music,
and I know that one of the one of the
pieces that you have here as a suggestion is of
course those portable speakers. JBL has won a new little
one that sounds great. But I wanted to talk to
you about the portable television. And again this is not
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a replay from nineteen eighty five when portable TVs used
to be like two loads of bread, giant piece, but
this is a big flat screen twenty four inch TV.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
So it's from a company called Skyworth and it's just
under four hundred bucks. It's a twenty four inch battery
powered TV, so it can last up to three hours
between charges. You can plug it in, of course, if
you're near a plug. But the idea is that, Yes,
sticking with our anecdote earlier about camping or glamping, you
can you know, stream Netflix on this well in the
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tent or you know, let's say the kids are having
a sleepover and they're generally not allowed a TV in
their room, Well you can do that or bring it
to the kitchen with its handle and follow along with
recipes on the Food Network.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
You get the idea.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Portable TV is a great idea, especially this time of year,
where you may bring it outside to watch the baseball
game while you're grilling, and then you bring it inside.
It's a ten ADP TV with an anti glare matte screen,
it's not glossy, loud speakers with Dolby Audio support, and
it is a not just a smart TV where you
can stream all your favorite services, but there's also built
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in Alexa and built in Google Assistance, so you can
use your voice to summon your favorite personal assistant. So again,
the company is called Skyworth and it's simply called the
Companion Portable. Two four refers to the screen size. Great
great device to have. I've been playing around with it
for the last almost a year now.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Mark Saltzman, thank you so much for the update. Appreciate
your time as well. Good to talk to you. Are
you doing this report with a speedo on?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yes? I know you want that visual? No, I am.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I'm downtown Toronto. It's just outside of an event, appress event.
This is the time you here over there showing all
the back to school stuff. So I'm going to hop
inside and see what's new laptops.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Oh yeah, good, don't do that in front of the children. Yeah,
for sure. Fact awesome for the Lakehouse.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
As always, make sure you follow Mark on x Marc
Underscore Saltsman with a Z and you find out all
the great tech tips that he's gotten. Also a fun
little tribute to all the rockers that we've lost recently.
It's up on his Twitter account.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I just saw this story.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
A federal judge out of Fort Pierce, Florida, says the
guy who tried to assassinate President Trump last year in
South Florida. This is the guy who was hiding next
to the golf course and is completely cuckoo. Yeah, he
can represent himself during his trial. Good Judge Aileen Cannon
signed off on Ryan Ruth's request to represent himself during
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his trial.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Why is that judge familiar because.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
She's the one who threw out the case against the documents.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
She was wow. Yeah, And I don't remember she was
appointed by Trump or not. I believe she was.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
But she does say that a court appointed attorney does
have to stand by to remain on standby as counsel potentially.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
All right, Well, we have talked about the troubling situation
in Encino where people go, they spend multi million dollars
on homes routinely to live in a safe neighborhood that
is adjacent to la to where they work, and there
has been a very large crime wave. It has hit
the headlines recently with that Ai American idol producer and
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her husband being shot and killed in their home on
Monday night, just after neighbors join the LAPD and other
city leaders to talk about the rampant crime in the area.
Two more homes were targeted by attempted burglars, one of
them being real Housewives of Beverly hillstar Teddy Mellingcamp, the
daughter of John Mellencamp. And so now some residents say,
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you know what, We've had enough. We are going to
pull our money together and we're going to hire private security.
We've heard this going on in the Palisades, We've heard
it going on in Brentwood, and this is just the
next neighborhood in LA to take matters into their own hands.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
We've talked about we've advocated for people to be safe
in whatever that means for them, whether they own a
firearm or find other ways to protect themselves. And I mean,
if you've been listening to the show, we've recently started
doing commercials about Berna less than lethal launchers.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Basically, one of my buddies, Tom first told me about
the burna. I want to say, it was now three
years ago ish and I had never heard of the burner.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He says, I heard that, you're your husband.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Wily, you get a firearm at home? I said, he won't.
He said, well, have you heard about the burner? And
I said, what's that? He tells me everything about it
and he gives me one, and I had no idea
that they were this user friendly, this legal, this compact.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
And easy to use, and here I am.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I feel safe, I feel protected, and I know I'm
not going to kill anybody.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Luan fam is the chief marketing officer for Berna and
it's nice enough to join us.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Thanks for coming by, thanks for having me.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
We already did a little demonstration out in the hallway
that what we're going to put up on Instagram at
Gary and Shannon, so you can see us launching, shooting
what's the right word, shooting shootings with the BURNA launcher
in the hallway here as an example of it being
safe enough to, I suppose, demonstrate we're not going to
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carry these things around and shoot them in the hallways
all the time.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Off do they get a little pushback from the building.
They're fine, but it's okay, what.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Are they gonna do? We have the gun?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
What's what's the mission of Burnout?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
What's what?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Why?
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Where did this come from? What is the what is
the purpose of something like that?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Sure, most of the folks at Burner were common sense
gun owners, and we realize that there's an FBI stat
out there that states that ninety nine percent or ninety
nine point nine percent of all legal altercations UH recorded
by law enforcement do not require lethal force. So as
people with firearms, we realized, like, we're only accounting per
point zero one percent of the time. What happens to
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the other ninety nine percent of the situations that can
occur where you need to defend yourself And the concept
of the less lee lethal launcher was born based on
just an opportunity to fill the gap and then give
people the confidence to defend themselves with how having to
deal with the legal complications of taking a life.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I would imagine that business has picked up substantially in
recent years, especially here in California absolutely.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
I mean, our company has grown tremendously. And you know,
we were, you know, in the beginning. We like to
say that our dear friend Sean Hannity was the godfather
Burna put us on the map during you know, the
contentious rioting periods at the time, and he said, hey,
there's a product that everybody needs to own, law enforcement,
private security, and you know, consumers, and then it just
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took off from there and here we.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Are and law enforcement is given the blessing essentially right
the community.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Yeah, so you know, our product's legal in all fifty states.
You could literally, we could literally ship it to your
home eighteen years or old to to to purchase and
no background checks, no permits, very accessible, very easy to use.
There's no recoil, there's no loud registration blast that's going
to deathen your ears. So it makes it easier for
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people to use, like seniors or you know, I travel
a lot for work, and he.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Just gestured to me when he said I did. I
wanted to record that, but I couldn't.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
I was just a hand move, but I didn't.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
But also, I'll use another one is where the opposite
end of that age spectrum where I have a daughter
in college who I would love to get this for
her because A I don't think she would be comfortable
knowing that she had the ability to take someone's life,
even if even in a situation where she was threatened.
But this gives that lowers that threshold a little bit
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and gives her the ability to feel more comfortable protecting herself.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
Absolutely. What the Burna delivers for all of its users
is the lack of trigger hesitancy, because as a firearms user,
if I were to point my lethal weapon another human being,
lots of thoughts will go through my head. It's pretty heavy, yeah,
and it will cause me to pause. With this, I
know that I could defend myself my family with confidence.
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And then you know, like we like to say that
a lethal bullet can ruin many lives, not only the
person getting shot, in the person into the shooting, and
also the collateral damage with the family. So if it's
an overuse of force, which is very easy here in
California to prove that, if I'm sitting in a tent
by ten cell, there's nothing I can do for my
family and like they are hurt by that action.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I mean, I think that some things are very real
right now, and in Los Angeles certainly, I mean to
look no farther than in Sino right where people feel
like they're not safe. And also people are in LA
and in southern California it's very liberal. They don't they
do not want to have a firearm. This is a
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way to protect yourself and not have that firearm in
your home.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Absolutely, it's little, I'm sure, I'm sure if you know,
but Los Angeles is our biggest market. We've sold over
six hundred thousand units, you know nationally, but Los Angeles
is a strong market for us, and the fact that
you know, you're not dealing with the situations of overuse
of force here I mean like or you're dealing with
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it more here than anywhere else. And people are frightened
and they want something to protect themselves. And if you
defend yourself with the BERNA against an attacker that does
not have the ability to take your life, it is
essentially a less dealing with a less lethal threat with
the less lethal device. So no, that's all fair game.
If I were to use my firearm against an aggressive
without a weapon, definitely overuseable.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Can you stick around for another story? I have more questions.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
There's a couple of scenarios because I know when people
think of this, I mean, they do look like weapons.
They do look like firearms. These happen to be brightly colored,
so those don't. But there are some in the lineup
that you guys have that do look they're all black,
for example, all Matt black. So there are questions I
have about the scenarios that would come up if you
were to carry one. If you're to buy one and
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carry one, absolutely all right. Lu One Fam is a
chief marketing officer for Berna. We'll come back with more
with him.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Somebody had called in, left a message and asked, well, yeah,
if you are convicted of a fallony, can you still
own a burner?
Speaker 7 (24:10):
The answer was yes in forty seven states and definitely
in California. Most of the people who think about ballins
are like, like, these really really bad people, but a
lot of them are like, you know, a dui twenty
years ago or some crime that they pay their debt
to society and they need something to def themselves. They're
not allowed to get a firearm, but they are allowed
to have a burna.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
We're talking with Luan fam who is the chief marketing
officer for Berna, which is a company we started doing
commercials for selling compact launchers.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
They have rifles.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
They have a bunch of different ways self defense and
personal defense products that you can find at burna dot com.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And we were talking off the air.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
It's not just a personal defense tool that law enforce.
Military applications for this are are growing absolutely.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
You know, there's a lot of it's a very serious situation,
regardless of if you're in uniform or not, that you're
about to take a life. And so, you know, a
lot of governments, and then especially here at local and
national federal governments have turned to Berna for that very reason,
given their people a better chance to operate.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
One of my concerns in this assuage is that concern
is that if I'm in a situation, if I have
a firearms as a woman, not to put down women
who are stronger than me, but there's a real chance
that whoever I'm trying to defend myself against takes the
weapon and uses.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
It on me. I don't die either, right in that situation.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
Absolutely. We had a customer come in our Las Vegas
store and it's tell me, said my wife. I was traveling,
My wife was at home. We trained firearms all the time.
There was intruering the home, and then she instead of
picking up the nine millimeter and defending herself, she hid
in the closet with pepper spray. And when I learned that,
I was freaked out because at the end of the day,
(25:59):
she had to make a decision and she was not
prepared to take a life. And so she was praying
in the closet, and so they found us. She trains
every day and now she has that confidence if someone
comes to that house, they are getting shot with a
Burda launcher, and then you know, we'll figure it up
from there.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
We were talking also earlier about different scenarios, and obviously
one of the things that makes this an accessible tool
for a lot of people is that you don't have
to have a license for it, and it's legal in
fifty states, and that you can carry it with you.
But my question was, you know, if somebody sees me
using this, you know, and you came up with a
(26:37):
better scenario than I did, a better illustration. If if
Shannon and I are in an argument on the street
and she feels like she's got to defend herself against me,
but you're not part of the conversation. You're a block
away and you just can see it. You can't hear anything,
and you see her pull a weapon out of some
kind and launch me. She shuts me and incapacitates me,
(27:01):
at least momentarily. When the cops come and they're gonna
ask you the question, you're gonna think she shot.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Me, correct, And so you know, we criminals are very
good at changing the narrative, right, and if switching from
the aggressor to the victim, and if there's no witness
or witnesses that can corroborate that what went down. So
what we always recommend is paint the picture. So if
I was being you know, attacked by an aggressor or
being approached by an aggressor, I would yell out so
(27:27):
that everyone can hear, hey, step back, you're threatening me.
I will defend myself. I will defend the police. Don't
come any closer. And then when I pull out my
burner launcher and deploy it, then I'm, you know, legally,
you know, defending myself, right, and then you guys can
everybody else that's correct. And so we always advise this
is a weapon. Use common sense, and you know, we
(27:50):
get a lot of I think Shannon brought up what
if a police Oh no, there's a noble person here
that brought up what a police offer shows officers shows up?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
What do I do?
Speaker 7 (27:58):
It's like, well, you don't have anything in your hands.
Use common sense because that officer is trained to make
that environment safe. He doesn't care if you're a bad guy.
With a weapon. A good guy with a weapon. He
just knows that you're a guy with a weapon, right,
so just make sure that you articularly to the office. Hey,
this bad person attacked me. I defended myself with the
Berner less least leath the launcher. It is right over
their officer, and then let him do his.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Job, yeah or her.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Weird technical question, are the rifles that you sell are
they actually rifled? Are the inside of the barrel's rifled
so that the projectile spins.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
No, they're just traditional barrels. But one of the things
that brings me up a good point that I need
to bring that I need to communicate is we have
a technology where it's our weapons are CO two powered.
So you put a CO two canister in the pistol
or the rifles and you close it down, you load it.
Unlike other traditional CO two powered pistols. Once you insert
that CO two it's punctured, so you have like twelve
(28:52):
hours until that leaky balloon the leaks. With Berner, we
have a panted pull pierce technology that where you put
in that Coe too, you load the weapon, you store
it for years until you need it. Once you need it,
you pull the trigger, it punctures the CO two and
sends that round.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
That was gonna be a question that I had, Okay,
because yeah, like you said, then then it's it's ready
when you need it, and you don't have to worry
about fiddling with the new.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
Cos things like you're not going to get to say, hey,
time out, bad guy, right, let me load like it's
going to go down, and you have to react within instinctively,
and the weapon has to be at the ready.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
In terms of the projectiles themselves, they're basically what would
you say, so the.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Rock card plastic projectiles, high end polymer, premium palmer, if
you will. So with our launchers, it comes out of
the barrel at anywhere from two seventy five to four
hundred feet per second and Layman's terms four hundred feet
per seconds, like two hundred and seventy one miles an hour.
If I throw imagine throwing a marble at you at
(29:54):
two hundred and seventy one miles an hour. That is
going to hurt really bad. And you know, we stats
a lot, and the FBI states that you know, most
criminals they're looking for the weakest victim. So it's an easy, easy, targets, right,
but if you fight back, it flips the script mentally,
and then they end up saying like, wait, I'm supposed
(30:14):
to be the aggressor. Now I have to go into
retreat mode. And so if you have that, you have
the confidence that you can defend yourself. We obviously advocate
practicing as much as you can. The beauty of the
burner is you can practice in the convenience of your backyard.
You don't have to go to a range an hour away.
If you have a Karen that's a neighbor teller that hey,
(30:35):
you know this is legal, come and shoot it with me.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Let's have fun.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
And I always say the burner launchers are a two
for one, so two for one meaning an incredible self
defense weapon. But you know, for summer barbecues, it's so
much cooler than cornhole.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
There you go, all right, it's great.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
But well, and thank you so much for joining us,
and thanks for bringing in the target and the target practice.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
That was a lot of fun. Yeah, we'll throw that
up on the not because I was a better shot
than you, but we will show it up. You were
you were like Doc Holliday.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Well, you know, like I wouldn't be a marketing guy
without saying come visit us on Berna dot com, b
y r Na dot com and maybe we'll post that
picture of Gary shooting the target right dead center. That
was very impressive.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I mean, I wasn't that bad.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
You did hit the target, but you know twa, he
hit it dead center, so I got to get him
props for all right, all right, golf game is not
as good as yours.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
To be determined, all right.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
The tributes are rolling in for hul Cogan. We'll have
all the latest for you coming up next right here
on Gary and Shannon.
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Speaker 2 (00:21):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheap and a liar.
And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipop.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
So here we got the real problem is that our
leaders are dumb.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
The other side never quits, so what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 4 (00:36):
So that is how you train the swap.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by
what has been. You know, murvants have always been going
at president. They're not stupid.
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Speaker 2 (01:04):
I guess who's going to the Fed Reserve today.
Speaker 5 (01:07):
President Trump is scheduled to visit the Federal Reserve in
person today. This is after weeks now a couple of
months of pressure against Chair Jerome Powell. He has said
that Powell has not lowered interest rates fast enough. In fact,
he refers to him as Jerome too late Powell when
he refers to him in his truth social post. Now,
(01:30):
there has been a renovation going on at the Fed
Reserve headquarters, and this is ostensibly why the President is going.
He wants to review the two point five billion dollar
renovation that's underway in the headquarters. The project has been
hit by cost overruns, and this is one reason that
(01:54):
President Trump might try to add more pressure to getting
rid of Jerome Powell. Of course, Supreme Court ruling indicated
the president's powers over the Executive Branch officials do not
necessarily apply to the Fed Reserve because it's not a
full fledged government agency the way others are. So it's
not clear exactly what's going to happen if the President's
(02:18):
going to make any comments while he's there at the
Fed Reserve.
Speaker 2 (02:20):
But this is interesting timing to say the least.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
The business community hates it. They like the separation between
the Fed and the president. All right, So we are
hearing more about the strategy. It's a constant reconfiguring of
strategy at the White House when it comes to how
to deal with this Jeffrey Epstein story. And it appears
that President Trump and his aides have settled on a
(02:44):
strategy of silence when it comes to Epstein. This is
according to a senior administration official and Republicans familiar with
the White House's thinking. This is a break from Trump's
usual crisis communications template, which emphasizes all on deck type
of approach when defending him on TV on social media.
(03:05):
This whole saga has been met with more restraint from
the White House. Trump himself has signaled that he doesn't
want members of his administration talking about the matter NonStop.
This is according to a person close to the White House.
White House aids have made it clear that no one
in the administration is allowed to talk about Epstein without
high level vetting. This was according to a senior administration
(03:29):
official spoke on condition of anonymity. The Communications Office has
to be very directly involved in every aspect of this,
every I must be dotted, every team must be crossed again.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
This is one of those things. I mentioned this yesterday.
Speaker 5 (03:43):
I thought about it yesterday afternoon reading a couple of
different articles about how Donald Trump the person for the
last ten years has been able to alter the media
coverage of whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:57):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (03:57):
He has been the the wind that filled the sales
of the news media over the course of the last
ten years and whatever he was doing or whatever was
being done to him. And this is a situation where
he has lost some of that ability, where he's not
been able to change the narrative of what's going on.
Speaker 1 (04:16):
He did change it for a moment last week when
I believe he had the Wall Street Journal land that
report about the fiftieth birthday album for Jeffrey Epstein, because
that did change the direction of those sales a little bit.
The media started focusing on that fiftieth birthday album. They
started focusing on all the Wall Street Journal stuff. And
(04:37):
so the MAGA bas was like, oh, hell no, we
can ask for our president to show us the Epstein files,
but we will not stand for the media piling on.
Speaker 2 (04:47):
That's too far.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
And they were given this shared enemy in the media
again for a moment, and then.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
A story that usually would be a big deal.
Speaker 1 (04:57):
You've got Tulci Gabbard out there in the White House
briefing room saying that Barack Obama's guilty of treason and
she's got documents. Nobody paid attention to that. That should
have been a big distraction. That should have had all
the media talking treason. It had nobody talking about it.
That failed. That was a lead balloon.
Speaker 5 (05:17):
It's also a pattern that we've seen, the latest version
of a pattern that we've seen over the last couple
of years is while one party is dealing with something,
some internal struggle, the other party is regrouping. And right now,
I mean think since since Donald Trump was elected last November,
the Democratic Party has been in shambles. They've been trying
(05:39):
to figure out what happened, what happened to Joe Biden,
Why did they pick Kamala Harris? Was she the best candidate?
How do they get how do they go forward? Who's
the leader of the party. I mean, they're dealing with
a lot of the same issues that Republicans had been
dealing with a couple of years ago, but this is
the issue that's giving them cover to regroup now. I
don't know they have the wherewithal the intelligence at the
(06:02):
top of the party to come up with a plan
going forward, but at least it gives them some sort
of political cover so that they can do the work
that's needed for the party, so they can come back
out and then if they can use this going into November,
but also going into next November, which would be the
(06:22):
midterms coming up.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
In more than a year.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
But are they kind are Democrats kind of trying to
stay quiet on this as well because they also don't
know what's in those files.
Speaker 2 (06:33):
It's very possible.
Speaker 5 (06:34):
I mean, listen, if you think that, if you think
that Bill and Hillary Clinton have their name in whatever
the files are, just like Donald Trump has his name
in the files. Yeah, that's probably a minefield that you're
not quite sure how heavily populated it is with minds.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
So are minefield? Where are the minds? Nobody knows how
many are there?
Speaker 5 (06:57):
Too?
Speaker 2 (06:58):
Are there two hundred? We're pushing up? Uh, I don't know.
Speaker 5 (07:01):
Mark Saltzman was going to join us next segment. We're
doing an earlier segment with Mark to talk specifically about
some new technology cool tech for your hot summer.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Oh, cool tech for your hot summer. That sounds like
a morning news show program. Are we going to do
fitness tips next?
Speaker 2 (07:16):
And then the best cats for adoption? Hmmm, five pound
dumbbells are ten. Gary and Shannon will continue alo. We're awful.
We are awful people.
Speaker 6 (07:27):
I am embarrassed you're listening to Gary and Shannon on
demand from KFI AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (07:36):
Well, we are outside in the summer, and that doesn't
mean that it's not time for some cool technology. Mark
Saltzman joins us now with some special tips on some
special tech that will make our summer even more enjoyable.
Speaker 5 (07:50):
Mark, the machines are getting smarter.
Speaker 6 (07:53):
This is tech Talk, brought to you by sky Net.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Thank thanks for joining us.
Speaker 3 (08:02):
Mark.
Speaker 5 (08:02):
We know you're busy and we appreciate you bumping up
just a segment today.
Speaker 4 (08:08):
Yeah, always all good, all good, big news day too.
Speaker 2 (08:11):
Yeah, there is just a lot going on.
Speaker 5 (08:14):
You wrote an article about keeping cool in the hot
summer and some tech that allows us to do that.
So let's talk about the The one I think is
the funniest because I've seen people wear these these neck
air conditioners that have come quite a long way since
they first appeared on the market.
Speaker 3 (08:32):
I too think they look ridiculous. However, until you try it,
then you're sold. And they are getting smaller and they
are getting better, So yeah, you're referring to Yeah, they're
really just called neck air conditioners, and as the name suggests,
it is like portable air conditioning that you wear around
your neck. And so these are getting more and more popular,
(08:55):
the hotter that our summers are getting in, the more
humid that they're getting, depending on where you're listening to
this show. So, yeah, there's a new one. It's more
of a premium priced device. It's called the Coolifi two
S and it's from a company called Taurus that's toubr As.
So I had a chance to review these. They're one
sixty nine, so not cheap, but they wow.
Speaker 4 (09:16):
They work.
Speaker 3 (09:17):
So you basically put this thing around your neck. Again,
they're not as big as they used to be. You
press a button and there's varying degrees of intensity and
you get with the company calls three hundred and sixty
degree air circulation. So it does feel like you have
the air con cranked in your car, but it's around
your neck. It feels amazing. It's also much quieter than
(09:38):
many other brands, and much better battery so topping twenty
eight hours on a single charge. And it comes with
the cables and there's different colors and stuff to choose from.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
But it's great.
Speaker 1 (09:47):
I've used one of these football game here at SOFI
for Chargers games. It is a mostly covered stadium and
it kind of gives a greenhouse feel when it comes
to humidity there, and my gosh, I couldn't get over
how well these portable fans work just to instantly cool.
Speaker 2 (10:05):
You down there. I mean, it was a game changer.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
They're also getting more high tech this this model that
I talked about, the Coolified two s.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
There's also an app on a phone.
Speaker 3 (10:15):
That will wirelessly talk to the device that you can
tweak settings. There's different modes like cool versus wind, or
even seat for winter months.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
If you're holding in your walking the dog, hold on.
Speaker 5 (10:27):
I got to go to my phone to tweak the
settings as opposed to just reaching to my neck.
Speaker 4 (10:31):
And yeah, true, true. And it's just one button.
Speaker 3 (10:35):
It's one button on the device that one is to
turn it on and then you can press it a
couple of times to increase the intensity.
Speaker 4 (10:41):
But it's if you want to change the modes.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
Yeah, then you got to reach for your phone, which
you never leave home without anyways, Let's let's be honest.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It's true. Yeah the another Yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (10:51):
I was going to say I'm fascinated by this as
well because the technology of batteries has come so far
that these new portable power stations are basically instead of
a generator, you're looking at a battery that's going to
supply you, are supply electricity for you.
Speaker 4 (11:06):
Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 3 (11:07):
So instead of a gas based generator, these are battery based.
So just like cars are going from combustion engine to electric,
so are these portable power stations that you can take
to a camping site, to an RV park, or just
keep at home in the event of an outage, which happens,
so you can plug all your appliances into these things.
(11:27):
And that's a good point is that if you live
in a condo or an apartment building, you are not
allowed a gas based one, nor should you even have
one inside. If you have a home, like a traditional home,
you should not have a gas based generator. They're also
not just not safe, but they're allowed and they're smelly
as well, so a company called Anchor that you may
know from the small power banks that you would maybe
(11:50):
keep in your purse or backpack to charge up your smartphone.
They have a line of portable power stations or generators
called Solix that's s like sam Olix, but yeah, you
need to juice this up. You need to plug it
into the wall, or you can also buy optional solar
panels that can plug into it if you are in
an RB park or a campsite to keep it topped up.
(12:12):
But once you have a charged up you just turn
it off and then you keep it in the event
of an emergency. And it's got multiple AC plugs, USB ports,
so you can charge up your you know, keep your
lights going, your laptops, your CEPAP machines, other medical equipment,
small appliances, even large appliances, depending on the size of
the unit, just like a power bank that you would
use on your smartphone, the higher the milliam, the more
(12:35):
times you can use it. So the higher end ones
are you know, hundreds and hundreds of dollars, but they
generally start at about two hundred two fifty. Some of
the bigger ones come on wheels with a handle because
they are big and heavy. But again, those who have
a summer home, like where I live in Canada, it's
if you can afford it. A lot of people have
a lake home, you know, lake house home kind of thing,
(12:56):
or cottager cabin. So this is great because there's often power.
So yeah, the anchor line of Soli's power banks or
emergency generators are a great idea.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
We would like to come to the lake home. Yeah
that sounds that sounds really beautiful.
Speaker 4 (13:12):
Yeah, well I don't own one, but my friends.
Speaker 1 (13:16):
I thought, well that makes does your friend is does
he no technology too?
Speaker 2 (13:20):
Maybe we do a little switch out.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I think they would love to have Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Up there grilling one of the other. We talk about music,
and I know that one of the one of the
pieces that you have here as a suggestion is of
course those portable speakers. JBL has won a new little
one that sounds great. But I wanted to talk to
you about the portable television. And again this is not
(13:45):
a replay from nineteen eighty five when portable TVs used
to be like two loads of bread, giant piece, but
this is a big flat screen twenty four inch TV.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:58):
So it's from a company called Skyworth and it's just
under four hundred bucks. It's a twenty four inch battery
powered TV, so it can last up to three hours
between charges. You can plug it in, of course, if
you're near a plug. But the idea is that, Yes,
sticking with our anecdote earlier about camping or glamping, you
can you know, stream Netflix on this well in the
(14:18):
tent or you know, let's say the kids are having
a sleepover and they're generally not allowed a TV in
their room, Well you can do that or bring it
to the kitchen with its handle and follow along with
recipes on the Food Network.
Speaker 4 (14:31):
You get the idea.
Speaker 3 (14:32):
Portable TV is a great idea, especially this time of year,
where you may bring it outside to watch the baseball
game while you're grilling, and then you bring it inside.
It's a ten ADP TV with an anti glare matte screen,
it's not glossy, loud speakers with Dolby Audio support, and
it is a not just a smart TV where you
can stream all your favorite services, but there's also built
(14:53):
in Alexa and built in Google Assistance, so you can
use your voice to summon your favorite personal assistant. So again,
the company is called Skyworth and it's simply called the
Companion Portable. Two four refers to the screen size. Great
great device to have. I've been playing around with it
for the last almost a year now.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Mark Saltzman, thank you so much for the update. Appreciate
your time as well. Good to talk to you. Are
you doing this report with a speedo on?
Speaker 4 (15:21):
Yes? I know you want that visual? No, I am.
Speaker 3 (15:25):
I'm downtown Toronto. It's just outside of an event, appress event.
This is the time you here over there showing all
the back to school stuff. So I'm going to hop
inside and see what's new laptops.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
Oh yeah, good, don't do that in front of the children. Yeah,
for sure. Fact awesome for the Lakehouse.
Speaker 5 (15:38):
As always, make sure you follow Mark on x Marc
Underscore Saltsman with a Z and you find out all
the great tech tips that he's gotten. Also a fun
little tribute to all the rockers that we've lost recently.
It's up on his Twitter account.
Speaker 6 (15:54):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (16:00):
I just saw this story.
Speaker 5 (16:01):
A federal judge out of Fort Pierce, Florida, says the
guy who tried to assassinate President Trump last year in
South Florida. This is the guy who was hiding next
to the golf course and is completely cuckoo. Yeah, he
can represent himself during his trial. Good Judge Aileen Cannon
signed off on Ryan Ruth's request to represent himself during
(16:23):
his trial.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Why is that judge familiar because.
Speaker 5 (16:25):
She's the one who threw out the case against the documents.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
She was wow. Yeah, And I don't remember she was
appointed by Trump or not. I believe she was.
Speaker 5 (16:39):
But she does say that a court appointed attorney does
have to stand by to remain on standby as counsel potentially.
Speaker 1 (16:46):
All right, Well, we have talked about the troubling situation
in Encino where people go, they spend multi million dollars
on homes routinely to live in a safe neighborhood that
is adjacent to la to where they work, and there
has been a very large crime wave. It has hit
the headlines recently with that Ai American idol producer and
(17:09):
her husband being shot and killed in their home on
Monday night, just after neighbors join the LAPD and other
city leaders to talk about the rampant crime in the area.
Two more homes were targeted by attempted burglars, one of
them being real Housewives of Beverly hillstar Teddy Mellingcamp, the
daughter of John Mellencamp. And so now some residents say,
(17:32):
you know what, We've had enough. We are going to
pull our money together and we're going to hire private security.
We've heard this going on in the Palisades, We've heard
it going on in Brentwood, and this is just the
next neighborhood in LA to take matters into their own hands.
Speaker 5 (17:45):
We've talked about we've advocated for people to be safe
in whatever that means for them, whether they own a
firearm or find other ways to protect themselves. And I mean,
if you've been listening to the show, we've recently started
doing commercials about Berna less than lethal launchers.
Speaker 1 (18:02):
Basically, one of my buddies, Tom first told me about
the burna. I want to say, it was now three
years ago ish and I had never heard of the burner.
Speaker 2 (18:10):
He says, I heard that, you're your husband.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
Wily, you get a firearm at home? I said, he won't.
He said, well, have you heard about the burner? And
I said, what's that? He tells me everything about it
and he gives me one, and I had no idea
that they were this user friendly, this legal, this compact.
Speaker 2 (18:28):
And easy to use, and here I am.
Speaker 4 (18:31):
Now.
Speaker 1 (18:31):
I feel safe, I feel protected, and I know I'm
not going to kill anybody.
Speaker 5 (18:35):
Luan fam is the chief marketing officer for Berna and
it's nice enough to join us.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Thanks for coming by, thanks for having me.
Speaker 5 (18:41):
We already did a little demonstration out in the hallway
that what we're going to put up on Instagram at
Gary and Shannon, so you can see us launching, shooting
what's the right word, shooting shootings with the BURNA launcher
in the hallway here as an example of it being
safe enough to, I suppose, demonstrate we're not going to
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carry these things around and shoot them in the hallways
all the time.
Speaker 1 (19:05):
Off do they get a little pushback from the building.
They're fine, but it's okay, what.
Speaker 2 (19:10):
Are they gonna do? We have the gun?
Speaker 5 (19:12):
What's what's the mission of Burnout?
Speaker 2 (19:16):
What's what?
Speaker 4 (19:17):
Why?
Speaker 5 (19:17):
Where did this come from? What is the what is
the purpose of something like that?
Speaker 7 (19:20):
Sure, most of the folks at Burner were common sense
gun owners, and we realize that there's an FBI stat
out there that states that ninety nine percent or ninety
nine point nine percent of all legal altercations UH recorded
by law enforcement do not require lethal force. So as
people with firearms, we realized, like, we're only accounting per
point zero one percent of the time. What happens to
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the other ninety nine percent of the situations that can
occur where you need to defend yourself And the concept
of the less lee lethal launcher was born based on
just an opportunity to fill the gap and then give
people the confidence to defend themselves with how having to
deal with the legal complications of taking a life.
Speaker 1 (20:02):
I would imagine that business has picked up substantially in
recent years, especially here in California absolutely.
Speaker 7 (20:11):
I mean, our company has grown tremendously. And you know,
we were, you know, in the beginning. We like to
say that our dear friend Sean Hannity was the godfather
Burna put us on the map during you know, the
contentious rioting periods at the time, and he said, hey,
there's a product that everybody needs to own, law enforcement,
private security, and you know, consumers, and then it just
(20:33):
took off from there and here we.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
Are and law enforcement is given the blessing essentially right
the community.
Speaker 7 (20:40):
Yeah, so you know, our product's legal in all fifty states.
You could literally, we could literally ship it to your
home eighteen years or old to to to purchase and
no background checks, no permits, very accessible, very easy to use.
There's no recoil, there's no loud registration blast that's going
to deathen your ears. So it makes it easier for
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people to use, like seniors or you know, I travel
a lot for work, and he.
Speaker 2 (21:06):
Just gestured to me when he said I did. I
wanted to record that, but I couldn't.
Speaker 7 (21:12):
I was just a hand move, but I didn't.
Speaker 5 (21:14):
But also, I'll use another one is where the opposite
end of that age spectrum where I have a daughter
in college who I would love to get this for
her because A I don't think she would be comfortable
knowing that she had the ability to take someone's life,
even if even in a situation where she was threatened.
But this gives that lowers that threshold a little bit
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and gives her the ability to feel more comfortable protecting herself.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
Absolutely. What the Burna delivers for all of its users
is the lack of trigger hesitancy, because as a firearms user,
if I were to point my lethal weapon another human being,
lots of thoughts will go through my head. It's pretty heavy, yeah,
and it will cause me to pause. With this, I
know that I could defend myself my family with confidence.
(21:59):
And then you know, like we like to say that
a lethal bullet can ruin many lives, not only the
person getting shot, in the person into the shooting, and
also the collateral damage with the family. So if it's
an overuse of force, which is very easy here in
California to prove that, if I'm sitting in a tent
by ten cell, there's nothing I can do for my
family and like they are hurt by that action.
Speaker 1 (22:20):
I mean, I think that some things are very real
right now, and in Los Angeles certainly, I mean to
look no farther than in Sino right where people feel
like they're not safe. And also people are in LA
and in southern California it's very liberal. They don't they
do not want to have a firearm. This is a
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way to protect yourself and not have that firearm in
your home.
Speaker 7 (22:44):
Absolutely, it's little, I'm sure, I'm sure if you know,
but Los Angeles is our biggest market. We've sold over
six hundred thousand units, you know nationally, but Los Angeles
is a strong market for us, and the fact that
you know, you're not dealing with the situations of overuse
of force here I mean like or you're dealing with
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it more here than anywhere else. And people are frightened
and they want something to protect themselves. And if you
defend yourself with the BERNA against an attacker that does
not have the ability to take your life, it is
essentially a less dealing with a less lethal threat with
the less lethal device. So no, that's all fair game.
If I were to use my firearm against an aggressive
without a weapon, definitely overuseable.
Speaker 2 (23:27):
Can you stick around for another story? I have more questions.
Speaker 5 (23:29):
There's a couple of scenarios because I know when people
think of this, I mean, they do look like weapons.
They do look like firearms. These happen to be brightly colored,
so those don't. But there are some in the lineup
that you guys have that do look they're all black,
for example, all Matt black. So there are questions I
have about the scenarios that would come up if you
were to carry one. If you're to buy one and
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carry one, absolutely all right. Lu One Fam is a
chief marketing officer for Berna. We'll come back with more
with him.
Speaker 6 (23:57):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 5 (24:05):
Somebody had called in, left a message and asked, well, yeah,
if you are convicted of a fallony, can you still
own a burner?
Speaker 7 (24:10):
The answer was yes in forty seven states and definitely
in California. Most of the people who think about ballins
are like, like, these really really bad people, but a
lot of them are like, you know, a dui twenty
years ago or some crime that they pay their debt
to society and they need something to def themselves. They're
not allowed to get a firearm, but they are allowed
to have a burna.
Speaker 5 (24:30):
We're talking with Luan fam who is the chief marketing
officer for Berna, which is a company we started doing
commercials for selling compact launchers.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
They have rifles.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
They have a bunch of different ways self defense and
personal defense products that you can find at burna dot com.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
And we were talking off the air.
Speaker 5 (24:49):
It's not just a personal defense tool that law enforce.
Military applications for this are are growing absolutely.
Speaker 7 (24:58):
You know, there's a lot of it's a very serious situation,
regardless of if you're in uniform or not, that you're
about to take a life. And so, you know, a
lot of governments, and then especially here at local and
national federal governments have turned to Berna for that very reason,
given their people a better chance to operate.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
One of my concerns in this assuage is that concern
is that if I'm in a situation, if I have
a firearms as a woman, not to put down women
who are stronger than me, but there's a real chance
that whoever I'm trying to defend myself against takes the
weapon and uses.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
It on me. I don't die either, right in that situation.
Speaker 7 (25:38):
Absolutely. We had a customer come in our Las Vegas
store and it's tell me, said my wife. I was traveling,
My wife was at home. We trained firearms all the time.
There was intruering the home, and then she instead of
picking up the nine millimeter and defending herself, she hid
in the closet with pepper spray. And when I learned that,
I was freaked out because at the end of the day,
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she had to make a decision and she was not
prepared to take a life. And so she was praying
in the closet, and so they found us. She trains
every day and now she has that confidence if someone
comes to that house, they are getting shot with a
Burda launcher, and then you know, we'll figure it up
from there.
Speaker 2 (26:15):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (26:16):
We were talking also earlier about different scenarios, and obviously
one of the things that makes this an accessible tool
for a lot of people is that you don't have
to have a license for it, and it's legal in
fifty states, and that you can carry it with you.
But my question was, you know, if somebody sees me
using this, you know, and you came up with a
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better scenario than I did, a better illustration. If if
Shannon and I are in an argument on the street
and she feels like she's got to defend herself against me,
but you're not part of the conversation. You're a block
away and you just can see it. You can't hear anything,
and you see her pull a weapon out of some
kind and launch me. She shuts me and incapacitates me,
(27:01):
at least momentarily. When the cops come and they're gonna
ask you the question, you're gonna think she shot.
Speaker 7 (27:06):
Me, correct, And so you know, we criminals are very
good at changing the narrative, right, and if switching from
the aggressor to the victim, and if there's no witness
or witnesses that can corroborate that what went down. So
what we always recommend is paint the picture. So if
I was being you know, attacked by an aggressor or
being approached by an aggressor, I would yell out so
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that everyone can hear, hey, step back, you're threatening me.
I will defend myself. I will defend the police. Don't
come any closer. And then when I pull out my
burner launcher and deploy it, then I'm, you know, legally,
you know, defending myself, right, and then you guys can
everybody else that's correct. And so we always advise this
is a weapon. Use common sense, and you know, we
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get a lot of I think Shannon brought up what
if a police Oh no, there's a noble person here
that brought up what a police offer shows officers shows up?
Speaker 2 (27:58):
What do I do?
Speaker 7 (27:58):
It's like, well, you don't have anything in your hands.
Use common sense because that officer is trained to make
that environment safe. He doesn't care if you're a bad guy.
With a weapon. A good guy with a weapon. He
just knows that you're a guy with a weapon, right,
so just make sure that you articularly to the office. Hey,
this bad person attacked me. I defended myself with the
Berner less least leath the launcher. It is right over
their officer, and then let him do his.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
Job, yeah or her.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
Weird technical question, are the rifles that you sell are
they actually rifled? Are the inside of the barrel's rifled
so that the projectile spins.
Speaker 7 (28:31):
No, they're just traditional barrels. But one of the things
that brings me up a good point that I need
to bring that I need to communicate is we have
a technology where it's our weapons are CO two powered.
So you put a CO two canister in the pistol
or the rifles and you close it down, you load it.
Unlike other traditional CO two powered pistols. Once you insert
that CO two it's punctured, so you have like twelve
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hours until that leaky balloon the leaks. With Berner, we
have a panted pull pierce technology that where you put
in that Coe too, you load the weapon, you store
it for years until you need it. Once you need it,
you pull the trigger, it punctures the CO two and
sends that round.
Speaker 5 (29:08):
That was gonna be a question that I had, Okay,
because yeah, like you said, then then it's it's ready
when you need it, and you don't have to worry
about fiddling with the new.
Speaker 7 (29:17):
Cos things like you're not going to get to say, hey,
time out, bad guy, right, let me load like it's
going to go down, and you have to react within instinctively,
and the weapon has to be at the ready.
Speaker 5 (29:28):
In terms of the projectiles themselves, they're basically what would
you say, so the.
Speaker 7 (29:33):
Rock card plastic projectiles, high end polymer, premium palmer, if
you will. So with our launchers, it comes out of
the barrel at anywhere from two seventy five to four
hundred feet per second and Layman's terms four hundred feet
per seconds, like two hundred and seventy one miles an hour.
If I throw imagine throwing a marble at you at
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two hundred and seventy one miles an hour. That is
going to hurt really bad. And you know, we stats
a lot, and the FBI states that you know, most
criminals they're looking for the weakest victim. So it's an easy, easy, targets, right,
but if you fight back, it flips the script mentally,
and then they end up saying like, wait, I'm supposed
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to be the aggressor. Now I have to go into
retreat mode. And so if you have that, you have
the confidence that you can defend yourself. We obviously advocate
practicing as much as you can. The beauty of the
burner is you can practice in the convenience of your backyard.
You don't have to go to a range an hour away.
If you have a Karen that's a neighbor teller that hey,
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you know this is legal, come and shoot it with me.
Speaker 2 (30:38):
Let's have fun.
Speaker 7 (30:39):
And I always say the burner launchers are a two
for one, so two for one meaning an incredible self
defense weapon. But you know, for summer barbecues, it's so
much cooler than cornhole.
Speaker 2 (30:50):
There you go, all right, it's great.
Speaker 1 (30:52):
But well, and thank you so much for joining us,
and thanks for bringing in the target and the target practice.
Speaker 2 (30:57):
That was a lot of fun. Yeah, we'll throw that
up on the not because I was a better shot
than you, but we will show it up. You were
you were like Doc Holliday.
Speaker 7 (31:05):
Well, you know, like I wouldn't be a marketing guy
without saying come visit us on Berna dot com, b
y r Na dot com and maybe we'll post that
picture of Gary shooting the target right dead center. That
was very impressive.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I mean, I wasn't that bad.
Speaker 7 (31:19):
You did hit the target, but you know twa, he
hit it dead center, so I got to get him
props for all right, all right, golf game is not
as good as yours.
Speaker 2 (31:27):
To be determined, all right.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
The tributes are rolling in for hul Cogan. We'll have
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