September 3, 2025 • 29 mins
Intense California storm brings thousands of lightning strikes, sparking wildfires. PG&E's Potter Valley plan fuels clash between Eel River restoration and Russian River crisis. CA Care Courts / Do They Work?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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App Latest celebrity to be hit by a break in.
If you had Tracy Ellis Ross on your Bingo card,
you can mark her off. Lped says that burglars hit
a rear glass door in a break and in her
house very early Sunday morning. She was out of town
at the time, but apparently her staff that would be
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nice to have her staff saw the break in. Three
intruders came in through the glass door. They left with
more than one hundred thousand dollars worth of jewelry and handbags.
We'll get into swamp Watch at the top of the hour,
spending a significant amount of time. The President is welcoming
the Polish President to the White House today for an
(00:47):
official visit. We'll talk about the comments that they made
when they were talking in the Oval Office earlier today.
Especially considering on the other side of the world, we
had this huge military parade from China that was attended
also by the President of Russia and the leader from
North Korea standing alongside President She of China. Sports Wise,
(01:09):
the Angels beat the Royals five to one yesterday for
forty first pitch today and the Pirates beat the Dodgers
nine to seven back in Pittsburgh. They will play again
three p forty is their first pitch. And at the
bottom of this hour, we don't spend a lot of
time praising Gavenusom, just just I don't anyway, I don't
(01:33):
praise a lot of what Gavenusom does. But I was
a wholehearted supporter of the California care court system that
he wanted to set up to try to get help
to those people who are suffering from mental illnesses. And
at the bottom of the hour we'll talk about whether
or not those things are actually working, the care court
(01:55):
system itself. Now, a dry lightning outbreak yesterday throughout the
Central Valley caused thousands of lightning strikes bolts anywhere from
Santa Barbara all the way up through Sacramento. CalFire reported
at least a dozen new wildfires just after those storms
(02:17):
moved through. And we saw a little bit of it
here yesterday, and I mentioned as we were watching, you guys,
remember what we're watching, the chase of the standoff, I
should say, with the woman naked woman inside the Ford
Bronco over in West.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Hollywood, West La.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, while we were watching that, there was a huge
cell that rolled through that area, came up here through
the valley, went up over the mountains, and that was
part of this huge dry lightning outbreak that happened yesterday. Now,
the CalFire Unit, that is the Tuomney Calaveras County Unit
TCU said that there were at least thirteen fires identified
(02:56):
in the foothills, including a twelve hundred acre fire on
the order Calaveris and Stanisaus Counties near Highway four. The
bigger fire, though, is called the six five fire and
supposedly burned right through the area known as China Camp.
This is a reporter from Channel three up in Sacramento,
Mike Tessly. They're on the ground in China Camp this morning.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, and with the sun up over the horizon, we
are getting that better look of the damage. Here. We
are standing on Red Hill Road just to the west
of Highway one twenty and the scene speaks for itself.
Just every direction you look on the left and right,
you can see a lot of destruction, a lot of
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destroyed homes, many structures lost. We don't have a firm
count as of now, but clearly dozens of structures burned
in this fire.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So right now they're calling this all of the fires
the TCU September Lightning Complex TCU for Tallo caliveris unit
of cal Fire. The most threatening is I mentioned was
that six' five fire and the two seven. Fire both
of them have prompted evacuation orders up in that. Area
there are more thunderstorms that are forecast through tomorrow, likely
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so they're saying from those areas kind of think of
Say fresno north through The. Sierra they are talking about
there being a significant threat of more. Fires National Park
services warning people about the smoky. CONDITIONS tv stations In
sacramento And, stockton et.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Cetera have also said that there could.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Be some very smoky conditions as a result of these
fires and that they're gonna spread. Rapidly whereever, Starts they're
gonna spread rapidly because of the amount of wind that's
associated with these storms that have been rolling. Through The
high risk zones have been, expanded including The Sacramento valley
and areas further south The Sierra, foothills the Southern sierra
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even parts of the mountains right here NEAR la because of.
It there's also an issue going on where firefighting resources
are fewer and farther, between and as we saw in
The palisades, fire an empty reservoir could have a massive
impact not just on property, protection but on the protection
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of human. Life In, july officials FOR pg AND e
submitted a plan to tear down a piece of water
infrastructure in Northern, california and cow fire and fire officials
and fire survivors and everybody who lives in that area
are trying to figure out why in the hell WOULD
pg AND e pull The Potter Valley project?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Out, now this seems like a remake Of it's A Wonderful.
Life it's.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Not Potter Valley project is something along The Eel river
That i'll. Explain and the questions, again why WOULD, PGE
pg AND e want this out of there when it
is so important for fire.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
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Later in this, show we're going to be doing what
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is that you have been. Watching we're also taking your
talkbacks on the secret family language that you may have.
Developed somebody outside your family's going to hear you say
a word or a phrase and they have no idea
what you're talking.
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Speaker 1 (06:26):
It hey, there It's jen From. Valencia grew up in
a household where bad words were not, permitted and even
things like shut up and stupid and things like that
were not. Allowed definitely not the word. Fart so if
anybody ever passed, gass we were not allowed to call
it a. Fart so we came up with the. Word
don't even know where it came, from. Kukadinky we're now
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in our fifties and, forties and IF i said that
to any of my siblings, today they would know exactly
WHAT i was talking. About ku, Kadinky, yeah.
Speaker 2 (06:54):
But no one else. Would we'll hear those throughout the.
Show in Late, JULY pg AND e officially submitted its
plans to tear down The Potter Valley. Project this is
about one hundred year old piece of water infrastructure that's
built to siphon some of the water from The Eel
river into The Russian.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
River, now The Russian river floods all the.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
TIME i grew up in that, area and that was
sort of the seasonal thing we Saw Santa claus and
The Russian river would. Flood the problem is it also
dries up pretty, significantly does The Russian. River and right,
now you, know we're on this never ending cycle of
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fire in the state Of, california up and down the
entire state Of. California we're never out of fire. Season
so the abandonment of This Potter valley project by PG
ande is causing a lot of people to you, know
light their hair on fire in a safe space so
that it doesn't spread to the. Forest but in this,
case talking about the seasonal drying of The Russian river
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the dissolution Of Lake, pillsbury fire chiefs in that area
have said those two bodies of water are absolutely crucial
when it comes to firefighting. Efforts Cloverdale Fire Protection District
Chief Jason, jenkins The cloverdale up in the Northernmost Partisanoma, county,
says our water system that feeds all of our houses
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is the same system we use to save these, houses
the same system we used to save.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Lives and he, says.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Thinking of a drier Lower Russian, river he, SAID i
can't even believe we're talking about. This this is unbelievable
to me as a. Firefighter it isn't just a short sighted,
plan it is. Dangerous. Now the watershed for The Russian
river up there begins In Mendocino. County it flows south
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Through Wine, country goes out Towards, healsburg meets The pacific
at the town Of, jenner also, beautiful and every community
that's along The Russian river depends on The Russian, river
and it extends further. Still Sonoma water the company pipes
flow from The Russian river to the customers dozens of miles.
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Away it supplies cities and districts well beyond The. Riverbanks
so the idea of diminishing the flow of The Russian
river is not just going to impact places Like, Jenner
it's going to impact places dozens of miles. Away this
is also a very sensitive area fire, wise because if
you look at the top ten largest fires in the
history of the state Of, california three of them three
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of them are in that, area including The August, complex
which burned more than million, acres burned an area larger
than all Nine Bay area counties, combined and out of
the twenty most destructive wildfires in the. State five of
them are, there with a toll property wise of about
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twelve thousand homes and thirty seven. People fire departments are
the ones that are sounding the alarm and say that
this next, century this last, century we've had The Potter Valley,
project we've had A Lake, pillsbury we've had The Russian,
river but if you take that, out the next century
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is going to get even more. Dangerous there is a
chief at The Lake Pilsbury Fire Protection district kind of
middle of nowhere in terms Of Lake, pillsbury but there's
about four hundred homes that are Around Lake pillsbury that
are served by this fire protection district and said that
there have been a couple of, intense intense fires that
have gone through the, area and in, fact for large
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scale wildland, fires we rely, heavily we being The Lake
Pillsbury Fire Protection, district we rely heavily on the lake
for much more aggressive and massive fire suppression. Needs in
that twenty two Twenty august complex, FIRE i said it
was about a million acres that. Burned the airplanes that
were coming in were dipping Into Lake, pillsbury which thankfully
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just a couple of minutes away from the. Flames the
Super scooper, airplanes the heavy helicopters were able to draw.
Water they said that they would have lost probably two
of the four communities that they were trying to protect
if it not for A Lake pillsbury being in, existence
which again would be completely gone if The Potter Valley
project is scuttled by pg AND. E one of the
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Other Potter valley volunteer fire department chiefs said that peak
fire season in late summer and early, fall there would
be nothing other than a few potholes in the, river
and the dry river is not going to be a
good answer for any sort of fire.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
PROTECTION pg AND e does Acknowledge.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, okay maybe there could be some problems fire, wise there,
Was but in this filing they had with The Federal
Energy Regulatory commission to decommission The Porta Valley, project they
admitted That damn removal was going to cause potential unavoidable
adverse effects to local fire suppressions south Of, pillsbury and in,
fact a spokesperson FOR, pgene what a fun job that must.
(12:16):
BE a spokesperson FOR pge said they're working to identify
alternative reservoirs that fire agencies might be able to use
in the region as part of the Internal environmental review
of the project of the project's, decommission and described how
earlier this YEAR pgene was given a bunch of money
(12:37):
For Lake county. Firefighting, sorry they gave a bunch of
money For Lake county firefighting and framed that as proof
that they stand firm and their pledge to stop all catastrophic. Wildfires,
again what a wonderful job that must be to work
for pgen and THEIR pr. Department during The Mendocino complex
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fire from twenty, eighteen planes usually went To Clear. Lake
Clear lake happens to be the largest natural freshwater lake In,
california and airplanes were using it because of its, size
because of its central location of the fire. Lines it's
a big enough lake it's easy for them to get
in and out, of to dip in and out of
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the super, scoopers the, helicopters et. Cetera in twenty three
twenty twenty, THREE pgena Asked CalFire to weigh in on
some concerns that the draining Of Lake pillsbury might significantly
hinder firefighting capabilities And they said it wouldn't adversely Impact
calfire's ability to provide an adequate and effective firefighting capability
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because Clear lake is often the better option for those aircraft.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Refills but it's farther away from these.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Places as this plan to decommission The Potter Valley project
has kind of made its way through these state, agencies
a bunch of people along The Russian river have tried
to secure a deal that maintained some diverse and for their.
Community they want to keep at least some of their,
water and they're still scrambling to see if this gets
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final approval THAT pgene wants to get rid of it all,
right The california care. Courts this was supposed to be
a plan to make real progress on mental health problems
in The california. POPULATION i was a fan of. IT
i supported. IT i actually Gave Gavin newso some praise
(14:29):
for this. Plan but it doesn't appear to be working
anywhere near as successfully as it's supposed.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
To we'll talk about that when we come. Back gary
And shannon will.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Continue you're listening To gary And shannon on demand FROM
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Forty we're going to talk a little bit more about
the latest on potential talks Between putin And zelensky From
russia And, ukraine And President trump has announced that he
is going to be Calling putin. SOON i don't know
what that, means but to be upset about to explain
(15:07):
why he's, upset The Vladimir putin And Volodimir zelensky have
not yet, met despite the meeting That putin And trump
had In alaska. RECENTLY a couple of years, Ago california
passed a law Called Laura's law and it was a
treatment referral program for mental. Illness during the twenty eighteen
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twenty nineteen fiscal, year it helped just over two hundred.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
People that's not very.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Many there is an estimated the NUMBER i saw was
somewhere between seven thousand and twelve thousand people In california
specifically who would qualify for a either voluntary or involuntary
mental health care. Program and one of the ways that
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the state came up with to deal with this is
through the care court, system and this came out of
The Laura's law lack of progress and the way the
care court. Works is someone family, member first, responder, doctor,
teacher they can file a petition on behalf of someone
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who's experiencing, psychosis and each county has a program set
up where the county then investigates that diagnosis and tries
to figure out if they are eligible for a. Program
if they, are if they meet the, criteria then they
have a regular meeting with a caseworker as well as
regular court hearings with the goal of getting this person
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who is suffering from a psychosis or experiencing whichever term
you want to, use to agree to a treatment protocol
that would be called a care. Agreement if the person
experiencing the psychosis doesn't agree to, treatment then the court
could order the person to follow a care plan that
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would be the involuntary, part and after a, year either
they complete the program and graduate or they can extend
it for another year with the goal of. Graduation the
problem is as ideal as that, sounds and as careful
as that, sounds especially considering we don't have the same
(17:33):
mental health care infrastructure that we, did say forty or
fifty years. Ago it's not. Working it's definitely not working
to the numbers that anybody would have.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Expected.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Now if you remember the care court system also soft,
launched there were eight out of our fifty to fifty eight. Counts,
yes there were eight out of fifty eight counties that
started care court. Programs Orange county was one of them,
specifically and what they have seen in that soft launch
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was that things didn't go very well right, away and
they couldn't quite figure out. Why there was an expectation
that you were going to see thousands of care court
petitions filed because there's so many people walking around experiencing
psychosis In, California Orange, county LIKE i, said the original
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group of care court counties expected to get about fourteen
hundred petitions and then establish maybe five hundred treatment plans
in its first. Year but over two, years instead of
fourteen hundred per, year it got a total of one
hundred and seventy six. Petitions there were only fourteen care,
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agreements which again means that the person that's being referred
volunteers for treatment and there there is one care plan
that rent so far as somebody not agreeing to a
care agreement than they actually had to go through and
be involuntarily put into this. System, now this does not
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include other petitions that would have been dismissed by the
court before they reached the, county And Orange county was
the only superior court in the state with a significant
number of petitions that did not turn its information over
to Cal matters when they were putting this report. Together
so again the assumption was that we would see up
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to twelve thousand, petitions that we would have as many
as twelve Thousand californians who would fit the. Criteria but
instead of twelve, thousand we saw under twenty five hundred
and only five hundred and twenty eight of those have
resulted in any sort of treatment agreement or.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Plan it's not.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Working there are some people who have, said maybe this
is working or this is a blessing in disguise because
it's you, know we're not overtaxing the system as of right.
Now that it could be a happy accident because the
low caseload allows clinicians to actually spend more time with
each care court client and work out some of the problems.
Involved but if you're a family, member think about, This
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if you're a family member who is dealing, with as
an example to, generalize a young man who's experiencing, psychosis
and you're, AFRAID i mean you're, afraid not just for his,
safety but you're afraid for.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
The times that he can.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Get, violent and you don't want him living on the,
street but you also don't want him living at. Home
this is one of those, options and that's WHY i
said originally that this was going to be a good.
Idea Tanya fadak has twice filed petitions In San Diego
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county on behalf of her, son who she, says continues
to cycle between homelessness and, jail despite the fact that
she was that he was accepted into care, court and she,
says this is these are our loved, ones this is
our taxpayer, money and as of right, now there is
no accountability and it's frustrating to see it go down
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because and again this Is, Tanya she, says my son
is going to end up. Dead one of the issues
is if you are the one who files the, petition
if you're the family, member if you're the first, responder
if you're the doctor who files a petition on behalf
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of somebody because you think they're experiencing psychosis and could
potentially be a, danger they petitioner has to attend at
least the first court, hearing and some of these doctors
first respond family members may have the time to do. That,
doctors first responder they don't often have that time to do.
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That and the courts will dismiss these petitions unless the
petitioner is in the court to begin. With so there
are ways that you can tweak, this and there are
some there are some chances that this does kind of
tighten itself up and begin to run more. Efficiently we'll
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talk about that when we come. Back how it is
that we could make some progress on these care court
systems and petitions in the state Of.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
California you're listening To gary And shannon on demand FROM
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Political just a quick Swamp watch update and That President
trump has said that he's going to Call Vladimir. Putin
he's very frustrated with the fact that there's been no
progress on the talks Between russia And. Ukraine if there
were to be any series of fires up in Northern,
california it's been started by literally thousands of lightning. Strikes
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CalFire is calling the group of fires THE Tcu September Lightning.
Complex about twelve five hundred acres had burned as of this,
morning and it continues to. Grow the largest is the
six' five fire In T, wallomy county sparked Near The Don,
pedro reservoir and that has burned about sixty five hundred
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acres and for all intents, and purposes destroyed the little
Town Of. China camp we're talking about the care. Court
system this was a plan that was put Together By
gavin newsom and some some of. HIS helpers i suppose
to try to figure out a way to attack a
portion of our homeless Problem, in california the portion of
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the homeless problem that is because of severe. Mental illness
it's a it's not a, great program but it was
it was the best attempt. At something it was an
it was an attempt to do. Something good the, problem
is a couple, years later we now know it's. Not
working it's, really expensive and it's not working to the
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point where the state spent about eighty eight million dollars
On care court in the, first year seventy one million
dollars in the, second year and there have only been
about five hundred people that. Received services so critics have
said that this is a waste, of money and said,
in Fact The Assembly judiciary committee's analysis described The care
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court as a, very experience very expensive way to. Coordinate,
services again the care court system is at its core
the ability for someone, family member, first, responder doctor somebody
to petition the courts on behalf of someone with severe
psychosists who can't take care. Of themselves and then it
kind of goes one of. Two ways if, the agrees
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you get that person into court and ask them if
they want, voluntary treatment if they want to be involved,
in there or the court can, say well you can't
make decisions, for yourself we're going to put you into
a treatment program against your.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Will involuntarily that does.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Not, happen again they thought that they would get twelve
thousand of these petitions a year and they have maybe
twenty five hundred over the course of a couple. Of
years so what are the roadblocks to this and how
do you? Fix this let me give you. An example by,
the way thousands of people are getting some sort of behavioral, health,
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treatment medications community based care based on the people who Run.
Care court now That Is gavin, Newsom's office so take
that with a grain. Of salt but disability rights organizations
say that the numbers that we've seen instead of the
twelve thousand petitions a year down to about twelve hundred
a year. Ten percent perhaps those people are now saying
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that the program was a waste.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Of money this disability.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Rights Organizations anita fisher advocated for the Program When gavin newsom.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Proposed it she talked about her.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Family story she talked about she met the governor and
when the program was Piloted In San. Diego county she
said she was hopeful about the promise to treat people
with serious mental illness like, Her son.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
And, she SAYS but i look at it as a.
Total failure.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
One of the, reasons IS like, i said the people
who file the petition in the first place have to
attend at least one of the hearings, in court and
some of the first responders and doctors aren't available to.
Do that when the subject of a petition, is homeless
you've got to. Find them the outreach worker has to
find them on. The streets and a key to this
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is that these people who literally are suffering from psychosis
can simply refuse services.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Even after the. Judges order.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
One plan to try to make this work a little
bit better Is A senate bill. Twenty seven it would
make more people eligible.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
More people.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Would qualify people who experienced psychotic symptoms there's a result
of bipolar disorder would also qualify for. The program the
Way That, thomas umberg he's the senator who wrote, This
up the way that he sees this is it's not a.
Broken system it's just a work in progress that needs
to be tweaked to its. Full potential things like allowing
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virtual attendance at some of those initial care court hearings
that that could change.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
As well, we've listen we got to.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Do something we got to do something about the severe
mental illness that is driving the homelessness epidemic in. OUR
state i thought at the time that this was going
to be something that made. A difference i Hope tom oumberg.
IS right i hope to this is just something that
needs to be tweaked to be, more effective because if,
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it isn't we're just. Blowing money it does not help
enough people to justify the tens of millions of dollars
that are being spent on it. Each year and that's from.
The state that's not from the individual counties and the
doctors and clinicians that they've had to hire as a
result Of This care. Court system so crossing, my fingers
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but not as OPTIMISTIC as i once was. About that,
all right swamp watch when we. Come, up oh also
the whole Thing about. Trump's health remember there was a few,
days there very hot over the weekend where they thought
he was dead or people were trying to say that he.
Was dead why? Did that why does something like that?
Get legs we'll talk about that next hour. As well
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App Latest celebrity to be hit by a break in.
If you had Tracy Ellis Ross on your Bingo card,
you can mark her off. Lped says that burglars hit
a rear glass door in a break and in her
house very early Sunday morning. She was out of town
at the time, but apparently her staff that would be
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nice to have her staff saw the break in. Three
intruders came in through the glass door. They left with
more than one hundred thousand dollars worth of jewelry and handbags.
We'll get into swamp Watch at the top of the hour,
spending a significant amount of time. The President is welcoming
the Polish President to the White House today for an
(00:47):
official visit. We'll talk about the comments that they made
when they were talking in the Oval Office earlier today.
Especially considering on the other side of the world, we
had this huge military parade from China that was attended
also by the President of Russia and the leader from
North Korea standing alongside President She of China. Sports Wise,
(01:09):
the Angels beat the Royals five to one yesterday for
forty first pitch today and the Pirates beat the Dodgers
nine to seven back in Pittsburgh. They will play again
three p forty is their first pitch. And at the
bottom of this hour, we don't spend a lot of
time praising Gavenusom, just just I don't anyway, I don't
(01:33):
praise a lot of what Gavenusom does. But I was
a wholehearted supporter of the California care court system that
he wanted to set up to try to get help
to those people who are suffering from mental illnesses. And
at the bottom of the hour we'll talk about whether
or not those things are actually working, the care court
(01:55):
system itself. Now, a dry lightning outbreak yesterday throughout the
Central Valley caused thousands of lightning strikes bolts anywhere from
Santa Barbara all the way up through Sacramento. CalFire reported
at least a dozen new wildfires just after those storms
(02:17):
moved through. And we saw a little bit of it
here yesterday, and I mentioned as we were watching, you guys,
remember what we're watching, the chase of the standoff, I
should say, with the woman naked woman inside the Ford
Bronco over in West.
Speaker 3 (02:29):
Hollywood, West La.
Speaker 2 (02:31):
Well, while we were watching that, there was a huge
cell that rolled through that area, came up here through
the valley, went up over the mountains, and that was
part of this huge dry lightning outbreak that happened yesterday. Now,
the CalFire Unit, that is the Tuomney Calaveras County Unit
TCU said that there were at least thirteen fires identified
(02:56):
in the foothills, including a twelve hundred acre fire on
the order Calaveris and Stanisaus Counties near Highway four. The
bigger fire, though, is called the six five fire and
supposedly burned right through the area known as China Camp.
This is a reporter from Channel three up in Sacramento,
Mike Tessly. They're on the ground in China Camp this morning.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
Yeah, and with the sun up over the horizon, we
are getting that better look of the damage. Here. We
are standing on Red Hill Road just to the west
of Highway one twenty and the scene speaks for itself.
Just every direction you look on the left and right,
you can see a lot of destruction, a lot of
(03:41):
destroyed homes, many structures lost. We don't have a firm
count as of now, but clearly dozens of structures burned
in this fire.
Speaker 2 (03:51):
So right now they're calling this all of the fires
the TCU September Lightning Complex TCU for Tallo caliveris unit
of cal Fire. The most threatening is I mentioned was
that six' five fire and the two seven. Fire both
of them have prompted evacuation orders up in that. Area
there are more thunderstorms that are forecast through tomorrow, likely
(04:16):
so they're saying from those areas kind of think of
Say fresno north through The. Sierra they are talking about
there being a significant threat of more. Fires National Park
services warning people about the smoky. CONDITIONS tv stations In
sacramento And, stockton et.
Speaker 3 (04:34):
Cetera have also said that there could.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Be some very smoky conditions as a result of these
fires and that they're gonna spread. Rapidly whereever, Starts they're
gonna spread rapidly because of the amount of wind that's
associated with these storms that have been rolling. Through The
high risk zones have been, expanded including The Sacramento valley
and areas further south The Sierra, foothills the Southern sierra
(04:56):
even parts of the mountains right here NEAR la because of.
It there's also an issue going on where firefighting resources
are fewer and farther, between and as we saw in
The palisades, fire an empty reservoir could have a massive
impact not just on property, protection but on the protection
(05:17):
of human. Life In, july officials FOR pg AND e
submitted a plan to tear down a piece of water
infrastructure in Northern, california and cow fire and fire officials
and fire survivors and everybody who lives in that area
are trying to figure out why in the hell WOULD
pg AND e pull The Potter Valley project?
Speaker 3 (05:41):
Out, now this seems like a remake Of it's A Wonderful.
Life it's.
Speaker 2 (05:46):
Not Potter Valley project is something along The Eel river
That i'll. Explain and the questions, again why WOULD, PGE
pg AND e want this out of there when it
is so important for fire.
Speaker 5 (05:58):
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Speaker 1 (06:26):
It hey, there It's jen From. Valencia grew up in
a household where bad words were not, permitted and even
things like shut up and stupid and things like that
were not. Allowed definitely not the word. Fart so if
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it a. Fart so we came up with the. Word
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in our fifties and, forties and IF i said that
to any of my siblings, today they would know exactly
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Speaker 2 (06:54):
But no one else. Would we'll hear those throughout the.
Show in Late, JULY pg AND e officially submitted its
plans to tear down The Potter Valley. Project this is
about one hundred year old piece of water infrastructure that's
built to siphon some of the water from The Eel
river into The Russian.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
River, now The Russian river floods all the.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
TIME i grew up in that, area and that was
sort of the seasonal thing we Saw Santa claus and
The Russian river would. Flood the problem is it also
dries up pretty, significantly does The Russian. River and right,
now you, know we're on this never ending cycle of
(07:40):
fire in the state Of, california up and down the
entire state Of. California we're never out of fire. Season
so the abandonment of This Potter valley project by PG
ande is causing a lot of people to you, know
light their hair on fire in a safe space so
that it doesn't spread to the. Forest but in this,
case talking about the seasonal drying of The Russian river
(08:03):
the dissolution Of Lake, pillsbury fire chiefs in that area
have said those two bodies of water are absolutely crucial
when it comes to firefighting. Efforts Cloverdale Fire Protection District
Chief Jason, jenkins The cloverdale up in the Northernmost Partisanoma, county,
says our water system that feeds all of our houses
(08:26):
is the same system we use to save these, houses
the same system we used to save.
Speaker 3 (08:31):
Lives and he, says.
Speaker 2 (08:33):
Thinking of a drier Lower Russian, river he, SAID i
can't even believe we're talking about. This this is unbelievable
to me as a. Firefighter it isn't just a short sighted,
plan it is. Dangerous. Now the watershed for The Russian
river up there begins In Mendocino. County it flows south
(08:54):
Through Wine, country goes out Towards, healsburg meets The pacific
at the town Of, jenner also, beautiful and every community
that's along The Russian river depends on The Russian, river
and it extends further. Still Sonoma water the company pipes
flow from The Russian river to the customers dozens of miles.
(09:16):
Away it supplies cities and districts well beyond The. Riverbanks
so the idea of diminishing the flow of The Russian
river is not just going to impact places Like, Jenner
it's going to impact places dozens of miles. Away this
is also a very sensitive area fire, wise because if
you look at the top ten largest fires in the
history of the state Of, california three of them three
(09:40):
of them are in that, area including The August, complex
which burned more than million, acres burned an area larger
than all Nine Bay area counties, combined and out of
the twenty most destructive wildfires in the. State five of
them are, there with a toll property wise of about
(10:02):
twelve thousand homes and thirty seven. People fire departments are
the ones that are sounding the alarm and say that
this next, century this last, century we've had The Potter Valley,
project we've had A Lake, pillsbury we've had The Russian,
river but if you take that, out the next century
(10:23):
is going to get even more. Dangerous there is a
chief at The Lake Pilsbury Fire Protection district kind of
middle of nowhere in terms Of Lake, pillsbury but there's
about four hundred homes that are Around Lake pillsbury that
are served by this fire protection district and said that
there have been a couple of, intense intense fires that
have gone through the, area and in, fact for large
(10:47):
scale wildland, fires we rely, heavily we being The Lake
Pillsbury Fire Protection, district we rely heavily on the lake
for much more aggressive and massive fire suppression. Needs in
that twenty two Twenty august complex, FIRE i said it
was about a million acres that. Burned the airplanes that
were coming in were dipping Into Lake, pillsbury which thankfully
(11:10):
just a couple of minutes away from the. Flames the
Super scooper, airplanes the heavy helicopters were able to draw.
Water they said that they would have lost probably two
of the four communities that they were trying to protect
if it not for A Lake pillsbury being in, existence
which again would be completely gone if The Potter Valley
project is scuttled by pg AND. E one of the
(11:35):
Other Potter valley volunteer fire department chiefs said that peak
fire season in late summer and early, fall there would
be nothing other than a few potholes in the, river
and the dry river is not going to be a
good answer for any sort of fire.
Speaker 3 (11:50):
PROTECTION pg AND e does Acknowledge.
Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, okay maybe there could be some problems fire, wise there,
Was but in this filing they had with The Federal
Energy Regulatory commission to decommission The Porta Valley, project they
admitted That damn removal was going to cause potential unavoidable
adverse effects to local fire suppressions south Of, pillsbury and in,
fact a spokesperson FOR, pgene what a fun job that must.
(12:16):
BE a spokesperson FOR pge said they're working to identify
alternative reservoirs that fire agencies might be able to use
in the region as part of the Internal environmental review
of the project of the project's, decommission and described how
earlier this YEAR pgene was given a bunch of money
(12:37):
For Lake county. Firefighting, sorry they gave a bunch of
money For Lake county firefighting and framed that as proof
that they stand firm and their pledge to stop all catastrophic. Wildfires,
again what a wonderful job that must be to work
for pgen and THEIR pr. Department during The Mendocino complex
(12:59):
fire from twenty, eighteen planes usually went To Clear. Lake
Clear lake happens to be the largest natural freshwater lake In,
california and airplanes were using it because of its, size
because of its central location of the fire. Lines it's
a big enough lake it's easy for them to get
in and out, of to dip in and out of
(13:19):
the super, scoopers the, helicopters et. Cetera in twenty three
twenty twenty, THREE pgena Asked CalFire to weigh in on
some concerns that the draining Of Lake pillsbury might significantly
hinder firefighting capabilities And they said it wouldn't adversely Impact
calfire's ability to provide an adequate and effective firefighting capability
(13:40):
because Clear lake is often the better option for those aircraft.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
Refills but it's farther away from these.
Speaker 2 (13:48):
Places as this plan to decommission The Potter Valley project
has kind of made its way through these state, agencies
a bunch of people along The Russian river have tried
to secure a deal that maintained some diverse and for their.
Community they want to keep at least some of their,
water and they're still scrambling to see if this gets
(14:09):
final approval THAT pgene wants to get rid of it all,
right The california care. Courts this was supposed to be
a plan to make real progress on mental health problems
in The california. POPULATION i was a fan of. IT
i supported. IT i actually Gave Gavin newso some praise
(14:29):
for this. Plan but it doesn't appear to be working
anywhere near as successfully as it's supposed.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
To we'll talk about that when we come. Back gary
And shannon will.
Speaker 5 (14:40):
Continue you're listening To gary And shannon on demand FROM
KFI am six.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
Forty we're going to talk a little bit more about
the latest on potential talks Between putin And zelensky From
russia And, ukraine And President trump has announced that he
is going to be Calling putin. SOON i don't know
what that, means but to be upset about to explain
(15:07):
why he's, upset The Vladimir putin And Volodimir zelensky have
not yet, met despite the meeting That putin And trump
had In alaska. RECENTLY a couple of years, Ago california
passed a law Called Laura's law and it was a
treatment referral program for mental. Illness during the twenty eighteen
(15:29):
twenty nineteen fiscal, year it helped just over two hundred.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
People that's not very.
Speaker 2 (15:35):
Many there is an estimated the NUMBER i saw was
somewhere between seven thousand and twelve thousand people In california
specifically who would qualify for a either voluntary or involuntary
mental health care. Program and one of the ways that
(15:59):
the state came up with to deal with this is
through the care court, system and this came out of
The Laura's law lack of progress and the way the
care court. Works is someone family, member first, responder, doctor,
teacher they can file a petition on behalf of someone
(16:23):
who's experiencing, psychosis and each county has a program set
up where the county then investigates that diagnosis and tries
to figure out if they are eligible for a. Program
if they, are if they meet the, criteria then they
have a regular meeting with a caseworker as well as
regular court hearings with the goal of getting this person
(16:47):
who is suffering from a psychosis or experiencing whichever term
you want to, use to agree to a treatment protocol
that would be called a care. Agreement if the person
experiencing the psychosis doesn't agree to, treatment then the court
could order the person to follow a care plan that
(17:11):
would be the involuntary, part and after a, year either
they complete the program and graduate or they can extend
it for another year with the goal of. Graduation the
problem is as ideal as that, sounds and as careful
as that, sounds especially considering we don't have the same
(17:33):
mental health care infrastructure that we, did say forty or
fifty years. Ago it's not. Working it's definitely not working
to the numbers that anybody would have.
Speaker 3 (17:45):
Expected.
Speaker 2 (17:45):
Now if you remember the care court system also soft,
launched there were eight out of our fifty to fifty eight. Counts,
yes there were eight out of fifty eight counties that
started care court. Programs Orange county was one of them,
specifically and what they have seen in that soft launch
(18:07):
was that things didn't go very well right, away and
they couldn't quite figure out. Why there was an expectation
that you were going to see thousands of care court
petitions filed because there's so many people walking around experiencing
psychosis In, California Orange, county LIKE i, said the original
(18:30):
group of care court counties expected to get about fourteen
hundred petitions and then establish maybe five hundred treatment plans
in its first. Year but over two, years instead of
fourteen hundred per, year it got a total of one
hundred and seventy six. Petitions there were only fourteen care,
(18:53):
agreements which again means that the person that's being referred
volunteers for treatment and there there is one care plan
that rent so far as somebody not agreeing to a
care agreement than they actually had to go through and
be involuntarily put into this. System, now this does not
(19:14):
include other petitions that would have been dismissed by the
court before they reached the, county And Orange county was
the only superior court in the state with a significant
number of petitions that did not turn its information over
to Cal matters when they were putting this report. Together
so again the assumption was that we would see up
(19:38):
to twelve thousand, petitions that we would have as many
as twelve Thousand californians who would fit the. Criteria but
instead of twelve, thousand we saw under twenty five hundred
and only five hundred and twenty eight of those have
resulted in any sort of treatment agreement or.
Speaker 3 (19:57):
Plan it's not.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Working there are some people who have, said maybe this
is working or this is a blessing in disguise because
it's you, know we're not overtaxing the system as of right.
Now that it could be a happy accident because the
low caseload allows clinicians to actually spend more time with
each care court client and work out some of the problems.
Involved but if you're a family, member think about, This
(20:27):
if you're a family member who is dealing, with as
an example to, generalize a young man who's experiencing, psychosis
and you're, AFRAID i mean you're, afraid not just for his,
safety but you're afraid for.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
The times that he can.
Speaker 2 (20:46):
Get, violent and you don't want him living on the,
street but you also don't want him living at. Home
this is one of those, options and that's WHY i
said originally that this was going to be a good.
Idea Tanya fadak has twice filed petitions In San Diego
(21:07):
county on behalf of her, son who she, says continues
to cycle between homelessness and, jail despite the fact that
she was that he was accepted into care, court and she,
says this is these are our loved, ones this is
our taxpayer, money and as of right, now there is
no accountability and it's frustrating to see it go down
(21:28):
because and again this Is, Tanya she, says my son
is going to end up. Dead one of the issues
is if you are the one who files the, petition
if you're the family, member if you're the first, responder
if you're the doctor who files a petition on behalf
(21:51):
of somebody because you think they're experiencing psychosis and could
potentially be a, danger they petitioner has to attend at
least the first court, hearing and some of these doctors
first respond family members may have the time to do. That,
doctors first responder they don't often have that time to do.
(22:11):
That and the courts will dismiss these petitions unless the
petitioner is in the court to begin. With so there
are ways that you can tweak, this and there are
some there are some chances that this does kind of
tighten itself up and begin to run more. Efficiently we'll
(22:32):
talk about that when we come. Back how it is
that we could make some progress on these care court
systems and petitions in the state Of.
Speaker 5 (22:39):
California you're listening To gary And shannon on demand FROM
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Speaker 2 (22:48):
Political just a quick Swamp watch update and That President
trump has said that he's going to Call Vladimir. Putin
he's very frustrated with the fact that there's been no
progress on the talks Between russia And. Ukraine if there
were to be any series of fires up in Northern,
california it's been started by literally thousands of lightning. Strikes
(23:09):
CalFire is calling the group of fires THE Tcu September Lightning.
Complex about twelve five hundred acres had burned as of this,
morning and it continues to. Grow the largest is the
six' five fire In T, wallomy county sparked Near The Don,
pedro reservoir and that has burned about sixty five hundred
(23:30):
acres and for all intents, and purposes destroyed the little
Town Of. China camp we're talking about the care. Court
system this was a plan that was put Together By
gavin newsom and some some of. HIS helpers i suppose
to try to figure out a way to attack a
portion of our homeless Problem, in california the portion of
(23:53):
the homeless problem that is because of severe. Mental illness
it's a it's not a, great program but it was
it was the best attempt. At something it was an
it was an attempt to do. Something good the, problem
is a couple, years later we now know it's. Not
working it's, really expensive and it's not working to the
(24:16):
point where the state spent about eighty eight million dollars
On care court in the, first year seventy one million
dollars in the, second year and there have only been
about five hundred people that. Received services so critics have
said that this is a waste, of money and said,
in Fact The Assembly judiciary committee's analysis described The care
(24:39):
court as a, very experience very expensive way to. Coordinate,
services again the care court system is at its core
the ability for someone, family member, first, responder doctor somebody
to petition the courts on behalf of someone with severe
psychosists who can't take care. Of themselves and then it
kind of goes one of. Two ways if, the agrees
(25:01):
you get that person into court and ask them if
they want, voluntary treatment if they want to be involved,
in there or the court can, say well you can't
make decisions, for yourself we're going to put you into
a treatment program against your.
Speaker 3 (25:15):
Will involuntarily that does.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
Not, happen again they thought that they would get twelve
thousand of these petitions a year and they have maybe
twenty five hundred over the course of a couple. Of
years so what are the roadblocks to this and how
do you? Fix this let me give you. An example by,
the way thousands of people are getting some sort of behavioral, health,
(25:38):
treatment medications community based care based on the people who Run.
Care court now That Is gavin, Newsom's office so take
that with a grain. Of salt but disability rights organizations
say that the numbers that we've seen instead of the
twelve thousand petitions a year down to about twelve hundred
a year. Ten percent perhaps those people are now saying
(26:01):
that the program was a waste.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
Of money this disability.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
Rights Organizations anita fisher advocated for the Program When gavin newsom.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Proposed it she talked about her.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
Family story she talked about she met the governor and
when the program was Piloted In San. Diego county she
said she was hopeful about the promise to treat people
with serious mental illness like, Her son.
Speaker 3 (26:23):
And, she SAYS but i look at it as a.
Total failure.
Speaker 2 (26:27):
One of the, reasons IS like, i said the people
who file the petition in the first place have to
attend at least one of the hearings, in court and
some of the first responders and doctors aren't available to.
Do that when the subject of a petition, is homeless
you've got to. Find them the outreach worker has to
find them on. The streets and a key to this
(26:49):
is that these people who literally are suffering from psychosis
can simply refuse services.
Speaker 3 (26:58):
Even after the. Judges order.
Speaker 2 (27:03):
One plan to try to make this work a little
bit better Is A senate bill. Twenty seven it would
make more people eligible.
Speaker 3 (27:13):
More people.
Speaker 2 (27:13):
Would qualify people who experienced psychotic symptoms there's a result
of bipolar disorder would also qualify for. The program the
Way That, thomas umberg he's the senator who wrote, This
up the way that he sees this is it's not a.
Broken system it's just a work in progress that needs
to be tweaked to its. Full potential things like allowing
(27:35):
virtual attendance at some of those initial care court hearings
that that could change.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
As well, we've listen we got to.
Speaker 2 (27:43):
Do something we got to do something about the severe
mental illness that is driving the homelessness epidemic in. OUR
state i thought at the time that this was going
to be something that made. A difference i Hope tom oumberg.
IS right i hope to this is just something that
needs to be tweaked to be, more effective because if,
(28:03):
it isn't we're just. Blowing money it does not help
enough people to justify the tens of millions of dollars
that are being spent on it. Each year and that's from.
The state that's not from the individual counties and the
doctors and clinicians that they've had to hire as a
result Of This care. Court system so crossing, my fingers
(28:26):
but not as OPTIMISTIC as i once was. About that,
all right swamp watch when we. Come, up oh also
the whole Thing about. Trump's health remember there was a few,
days there very hot over the weekend where they thought
he was dead or people were trying to say that he.
Was dead why? Did that why does something like that?
Get legs we'll talk about that next hour. As well
(28:47):
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