May 19, 2025 • 26 mins
Former President Biden was diagnosed with cancer while in office. He managed global responsibilities while battling cancer. There was a bombing in Palm Springs this weekend, resulting in one death, that of the bomber, and several injuries.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Bad news and then good news and then great news
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The good news is she will be back. The greatest
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Speaker 3 (00:22):
More on that coming up a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Bottom of this hour, we're going to talk about what's
going on out on Palm Springs. This guy that blew
up his car and turned himself into a fine pink
mist outside of a fertility clinic because of his absolutely
bonkers views about life and how it is that we
should treat the world by killing ourselves.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Don't quite get it.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
That is all going on in the background today. President
Trump is holding a phone call with at least Vladimir Putin,
and the White House had said that there was going
to be a conversation with Vladimir Zelensky as well, trying
to discuss some sort of a ceasefire between Ukraine and
Russia after many, many many years. Okay, but we start
(01:12):
with what was the biggest story of the weekend came
out just yesterday morning, and that is that former President
Biden has been diagnosed with a pretty aggressive form of
prostate cancer.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Oh he's had this for many years, maybe even a decade.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, that's not a conspiracy theory. That is one of
the top oncologists in the entire country talking on MSNBC
of all places, this morning, suggesting that prostay cancer like
this doesn't, especially at what was at a nine on
the Gleason scale grade group five with metastasis to the bone,
(01:53):
doesn't just happen. I will preview this next segment. I'm
going to talk about my experience with this. I don't
have prostate cancer, but my dad did, and this is
almost exactly the diagnosis that he had at one point
when he was fighting prostate cancer.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So we'll talk about that. But again, doctor Zeke Emmanuel.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Was on with Joe Scarborough this morning talking about this
diagnosis for the former president.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
What it means for a guy who's eighty two years old.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Would it be fair to say it's likely to have
had this for at least several years, oh.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
More than several years. You don't get prostacuncer.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Again, I just want to stump you, so this is
not speculation. If you have prostate cancer that has spread
to the bone, then he's most certainly you were saying
had it when he was president of the United States.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Oh yeah, he did not develop it in the last
one hundred two hundred days. He had it while he
was president. He probably had it at the start of
his president in twenty one. Yes, that, I don't think
there's any disagreement about that.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Okay, So does it come down to a conspiracy theory
about the White House covering this up as well about
President Biden's health. Not necessarily, because when you reach a
certain age, the doctors don't care that much about your
PSA numbers. They don't care that much about your prostate
cancer because once you get to seventy seventy five years old,
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even if you do have prostate cancer, it is very
often a slow growing, slow spreading cancer where they believe
you're going to die from something else before the prostate
cancer gets you. One of the doctors I saw yesterday
interviewed about this, said that about eighty percent of men,
if they reach the age of eighty, about eighty percent
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of them do have some amount of prostate cancer cells
in their body, so that part of it is not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Unusual.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Now, we know that Biden had a physical in February
at the end of February last year, so the suggestion
that somehow he was you know, that this was a
hidden is is kind of a stretch at this point.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I know, I'm saying that in the context of her
audio tapes, the Robert Hurr interview tapes that came out
on Friday, which were mind blowing how bad he sounded
in those things. But there is a medical explanation as
to why they wouldn't necessarily even do a prostate test,
a digital exam, the PSA blood test on a guy
(04:43):
that's eighty years old, because again, the assumption for a
lot of people is for a lot of men, is
that something else is going to get them before the
prostate cancer gets them. ABC's medical correspondent, doctor Tara Narula.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
We heard it did, in fact spread to the bones.
We know that that is a place where prostate cancer
usually spreads. That means it is a stage four B
usually that means it is not curable, it is treatable.
In general, we think about prostate cancer as being slow
growing and usually having a good five year survival ninety
nine percent. When it is spread to distant sites than
that five year survival drops are about thirty seven percent.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, and that is the biggest deal, is that this
has metastasized to his two bones somewhere. They haven't said
exactly where they found it in which bone it was
or bones. Prostate cancer second most commonly diagnosed cancer, fifth
leading cause of cancer related deaths in the United States,
according to report a couple five years ago now, there
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were about a million four new cases globally three hundred
and seventy five thousand deaths each year. It is the
most frequently diagnosed cancer in one hundred and twelve countries
and the leading cause of cancer in about leading cause
of cancer death, I should say, in forty eight of
those countries. Right, A little bit more about what the
treatment options are available to him at eighty two years old.
(06:06):
There are questions about what chemo does to you, about
what radiation does to you, and when you have the
very hard discussions with family members about what kind of
quality of life you're going to want over the next
couple of years, that can limit what it is that
you do. In terms of treatment, they have said that
(06:27):
this is one of those forms of cancer that is
receptive to hormone therapies, which lately have been just astounding
in many cases in their ability to treat cancers like this.
So that's the case, but you can't ignore that so
many people these days are being diagnosed with cancers. Eighty
(06:48):
two year old guy with prostate cancer is not a
giant surprise. It is surprising that it is this far
along and that it has metastasized. But again, this echoes, unfortunately,
something that I had to go through with my dad
over the last few years before he passed away. So
I'll tell you a little bit about that situation when
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We'll listen to those, so a little bit more on
a former president's cancer diagnosis, and then getting into Palm
Springs as well, what we know about the guy that
blew himself up outside that fertility clinic.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 2 (08:56):
The news came out yesterday the former President Biden diagnosed
with an aggressive form of prostay cancer that has metastasized
just spread to his bones. This is the most common
type of cancer among men, especially when you get to
the age of eighty two. I mentioned yesterday one of
the doctors I saw interviewed referred to a statistic that
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eighty percent of men who are eighty or older have
some amount of prostay cancer cells in their body. Some
types of prostay cancer can be pretty aggressive and as
we've seen in this case, can spread to other parts
of the body, including the bones. This is exactly the
diagnosis that my father had, and he did pass away at.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
The age of Let me do the math on that
eighty two.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Who's actually dad was diagnosed with prostay cancer very early,
much earlier than this obviously, he was diagnosed when he
was about sixty years old and went through the process
of radiation to shrink the cancer, had the prostate removed
all of that, and it was a very slow movie.
(10:13):
It was there, and the doctors were aware of it,
and it became sort of the annual or biannual or sorry,
semi annual PSA number test, and my two sisters and
I and Mom always were interested in and knew what
his PSA numbers were. So later in life they had
(10:35):
made the discovery that the prostate cancer had spread to
other parts of his body. Specifically, they found a couple
spots on his lung, which we assumed was going to
be very quick from that point, and it wasn't. It
was a couple of years before it then spread also
(10:56):
to his bones and started taking its toll on his
ability to produce red blood cells, which listen. It's the
story itself is sad, it's painful, it's hard to talk about.
It's not unusual, and that I think is probably the
most important part of it is everybody's got a story
about this in their own life. Doesn't necessarily have to
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be prostate cancer can be other kinds of cancer, but
having lost both of my parents to different forms of cancer.
This is one of those particularly hard stories to talk about. Listen,
Joe Biden's family is going to deal with the loss
of at some point, I mean, whenever it happens. His
prognosis they said, is probably fine for a couple of years.
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They're going to deal with the loss of husband, father, grandfather, uncle.
However it works out, and the family is going to
have to deal with it on the outside of it.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
If you look at this sort of through.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
The political lens, it's hard not to im he's a
former president and this is something that you just do
at some point as you look at this through a
political lens. I'm not talking about the Robert hurtapes. I'm
not talking about the book. There's time for that. Tomorrow.
We'll talk about what's going on and who might be
responsible for sort of covering up health issues and things
(12:20):
with the president. But almost this almost guarantees that he
becomes a sad story of American politics. This guy's life
has been marked by tragedy from early on, when he
lost his wife and his daughter in a car crash
(12:41):
and his two sons were injured. Remarries, loses a son
to cancer, loses bo to cancer, Hunter Biden just a
train wreck of a life that that guy has gone
through and dragged his parents and rest of his family through.
And Joe Biden because he trips up in that debate.
It's a very positive way to put it. He trips
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up in that debate last June, ends up deciding that
he's going to pass the mantle from from his nomination
for president to the vice president so that she can run.
And now it just dogged by questions about where he
was while he was in the White House, mentally, physically,
et cetera. And this sort of cements that sad chapter,
(13:27):
that sad story that he's going to be known for.
And that's an awful way to go. Like I said,
families do this all the time. Families deal with cancer
diagnoses all the time. Families lose people to cancer all
the time. Not saying it makes it any easier for
the Biden family. It doesn't. But there are two very
(13:47):
very separate things going on. You can feel awful for
the family because of what they have to go through
for the next couple months and years, and even him
because of the treatment whatever it looks like. But there
is a political aspect to this that is not ignorable.
You can't just say this is something that goes away.
As I played for you earlier that doctor Zeke Emmanuel,
(14:11):
well known oncologist, who said this didn't just pop up.
This something's going on there where either he's been living
with it for a while and presidents, by the way,
are covered by hippo laws. So unless there's some sort
of very specific national security issue that we need to
know about, and I'll you can hear the argument that
(14:31):
there was, but not with prostate cancer. There is a
possibility that someone knew about this, whether it was White
House physicians, the Pentagon, somebody knew about this, and because
it wasn't pertinent to national security and the family didn't
want to publicize it, then you could understand why they
kept it quiet.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
The timing of it.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
This is the ultimate sympathy card to get out from
under questions about the book that's coming out tomorrow with
Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson. The Robert Hurt tapes that
were aired on Friday for the first time where you
could hear him stumbling through those questions and answers. So
there's time to do that later but again, I think
this cements a very sad legacy for Joe Biden. A
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lot of activity in Palm Springs. Over the weekend, there
was a story about this guy who attacked a fertility
clinic and why he thought they were doing the wrong
thing by promoting you know, babies.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Will explain what's going on with that guy. We come back.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
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Speaker 7 (15:41):
Thanks for covering the Biden situation with his prostate I
was recently diagnosed with price state cancer. I' mcleas in
seven and I've got options. I'm gonna choose surgery. I
found a doctor in Orange County who's done seven thousand
robotic prestectimus. He's one of the top ten WOW in
the United States. But Doc Joe Biden received the news
(16:05):
that I was hoping I wouldn't have. I'm almost sixty four.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, a best of luck to you, well if we
get any more details. By the way, we know that
a bunch of politicians obviously come out and wished the
Biden family and Joe specifically, whatever good luck they have.
President Trump put out a truth social post yesterday saying
that he and First Lady Malania Saddin to hear the diagnosis.
(16:31):
We extend our warmest and best wishes to Jill in
the family. We wish Joe a fast and successful recovery.
So anything new on that will definitely bring it to you.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
Well.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
In Palm Springs, there was an explosion over the weekend
out in front of a fertility clinic there American Reproductive Centers,
and the suspect in this bombing a twenty five year
old guy named Guy Guy Guy named Guy Edward Bartkus,
(17:02):
who up to this point had really no dealings with
law enforcement. The FBI Assistant Director Akhill Davis is the guy.
You'll hear a bunch of these different sound bites.
Speaker 9 (17:12):
This is probably the largest bombing scene that we've had
in southern California. This does he clips the bombing matter
in the Liso Viejo. It's that big and just for
reference to throw pieces of vehicle hundreds of feet in
the air and they several blocks away. You can use
your imagine imagine how big that's that bomb device was.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, that's why when the news conference was held on
Saturday afternoon, they said, we have a person of interest,
but we're not actively looking for someone out in the neighborhood.
I mean, technically they were looking out for pieces of
this guy throughout the neighborhood because he turned himself into
a fine pink mist They said, though, that this may
(17:54):
have been an attempt not to kill himself. I don't
know how they would believe that, but the guy was
blown to smithereens by the size of this explosion.
Speaker 9 (18:05):
This is the first time he's popped up on our radar.
Not to say that he hasn't had other contacts, but
we are working with our locals to kind of vet that.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
In terms of the full investigation, we.
Speaker 9 (18:14):
Need the public's help in identifying gaps in our investigation.
We know where mister Barkis was at about six am.
We know the timeline of when he entered the city. However,
we need the public's help for identifying where he traversed
within the city before the explosion went off.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
All right, So why the fertility clinic a kill Davis again?
FBI assistant director said that they believe that he was
attempting to live stream the attack. He said that they
found a website that it's not named, apparently, but included
the theory that this was a war against pro lifers,
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that the fertility clinic would be targeted, and quote here
you can download the recorded stream of my suicide and
bombing of an IVF clinic, but no file actually existed.
So I don't know if he was just simply unable
to put this thing together. But why what about that
fertility clinic drove this guy to the point that he
wanted to attack it.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
The subject had nihilistic ideations and this was a targeted
attack against the IDF facility based on our investigation some
of the posts that he's made online, some of the
comments made in his manifesto that we're combing through right
now is kind of what led us to that nihilist belief.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Okay, So the whole nihilism thing, the whole downgrade of humanity,
the whole we don't deserve to be here and everything
is dark and desperate, and that I understand when people
get to that point. I mean, I should say I
understand that people can get to that point, but the
different iterations of it when you start talking not just
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about the nihilistic thoughts, but abolitionist, veganism, negative utilitarianism and
pro mortalist.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
What the hell do these things mean?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And why are we allowing the internet to continue to exist?
Oh and by the way, this guy's dad heartbreaking interviews
that this guy's dad has had to give now since
his son blew himself to smithereens, we'll talk about what
those abolicious veganism nihilist things mean and what to look
out for.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
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Speaker 10 (20:25):
I just heard the news about mister Biden, our former president,
and I just want to know if anybody has said
to you or to Shannon, shame on you for making
fun of him because he was really sick. And all
I heard from you is how he was boring and
how he talked and everything. Well, no wonder the man
(20:49):
had cancer. And let me tell you it's no joke.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well, I explained that I know very well, all too well,
that it is no joke. But my question would be
if you could point to an instance where we made
fun of him because he was sick, I will gladly
eat my hat. I'd eat your hat as well. And
(21:14):
I didn't make fun of anybody. I pointed out that
if this guy was sick, if this guy did have cancer,
there would be questions about whether or not he was
physically fit to lead the free world outside of whatever
mental problems were going on, if there were any. So
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the idea that I was making fun of him because
he was sick doesn't really hold water. The bombing out
of Palm Springs again, Guy Edward Bartkiss to twenty five
year old with these nihilistic ideations is said to be responsible.
He packed his silver Ford Fusion with explosives and then
blew himself and that car up out behind the American
(22:01):
Reproductive Centers there in Palm Springs on Saturday morning, very
large amount of explosives, so much so that his remains
were completely shredded in the explosion. I mentioned that there
is this weird hodgepodge of philosophies that this guy supposedly
adhered to, things like abolitionist veganism, which is an opposition
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to all animal huse animal use by humans, Okay, negative utilitarianism,
which is an idea that one should act to minimize
suffering rather than to maximize pleasure in the world. And then,
probably the most confusing to me, a pro mortalist whoever
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wrote this website and they again they are crediting to
crediting it to this twenty five year old to blow
himself up. He wrote, basically, I'm a pro mortalist.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
If this is.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
A very strange mental exercise philosophical position where the argument
is it's better for a sentient being to die as
soon as possible to prevent future suffering. Okay, what I
(23:20):
don't quite get, and I don't know anybody who adheres
to pro mortalism. But once you make that decision, if
you come to the conclusion that it is better for
you as a sentient being to die as soon as
possible to prevent future suffering, why are you leaving yourself
time to write an entire website or plot out a
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bombing plan. If pro mortalism is a real thing, wouldn't
you just immediately take your life. It seems to me
like there's a kind of a logical skip there. And
he wasn't capable of of putting those two together. His
dad lives nearby, and his dad, unfortunately had to answer
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questions about this kid that he obviously knew very little about.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
Jay. He tried to help people.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Said, He tried to help People's what dad said.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
He's a good kid.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
He's a good kid.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
The Twin nine pomy had just gained belief.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Channel two and Channel five both claimed that they had
exclusive interviews with the guy, which means that they were
not exclusive.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
I don't know what change is, right, Maybe the girl,
maybe the people that he was hanging up put up there,
But it wasn't him before. That guy would never liked
that before. That guy would more for helping people.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
So we'll find out more. You heard Conway's promo there
for his show. Whenever this news conference takes place, we understand.
I haven't seen specifics about it, but the expectation is
the FBI is going to potentially have some more information.
The biggest question that they need to answer right now
is where did the explosives come from? Was this something
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Apparently he had a hobby of model rocketry when he
was a kid. Dad said he almost burned the house
down when he was nine or something playing with matches.
So this is something that's been the explosives part of
It's been something that's been rattled around this guy's brain
for a while. The question is where did you get
that amount of explosives? Yes, he lives in twenty nine Palms.
(25:24):
They don't believe he has any connection to the military. Obviously,
the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center that's out there.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Is it something that he's been.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Compiling over the last several years to get that much
explosives into a car to blow it to smithereens or
what so. Anyway, that's the biggest question the FBI and
other law enforcement agencies are looking at.
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Bad news and then good news and then great news
in that order. Bad news is Shannon's not here today.
The good news is she will be back. The greatest
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More on that coming up a little bit later.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
Bottom of this hour, we're going to talk about what's
going on out on Palm Springs. This guy that blew
up his car and turned himself into a fine pink
mist outside of a fertility clinic because of his absolutely
bonkers views about life and how it is that we
should treat the world by killing ourselves.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Don't quite get it.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
That is all going on in the background today. President
Trump is holding a phone call with at least Vladimir Putin,
and the White House had said that there was going
to be a conversation with Vladimir Zelensky as well, trying
to discuss some sort of a ceasefire between Ukraine and
Russia after many, many many years. Okay, but we start
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with what was the biggest story of the weekend came
out just yesterday morning, and that is that former President
Biden has been diagnosed with a pretty aggressive form of
prostate cancer.
Speaker 4 (01:26):
Oh he's had this for many years, maybe even a decade.
Speaker 2 (01:30):
Okay, that's not a conspiracy theory. That is one of
the top oncologists in the entire country talking on MSNBC
of all places, this morning, suggesting that prostay cancer like
this doesn't, especially at what was at a nine on
the Gleason scale grade group five with metastasis to the bone,
(01:53):
doesn't just happen. I will preview this next segment. I'm
going to talk about my experience with this. I don't
have prostate cancer, but my dad did, and this is
almost exactly the diagnosis that he had at one point
when he was fighting prostate cancer.
Speaker 3 (02:09):
So we'll talk about that. But again, doctor Zeke Emmanuel.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Was on with Joe Scarborough this morning talking about this
diagnosis for the former president.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
What it means for a guy who's eighty two years old.
Speaker 5 (02:22):
Would it be fair to say it's likely to have
had this for at least several years, oh.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
More than several years. You don't get prostacuncer.
Speaker 5 (02:35):
Again, I just want to stump you, so this is
not speculation. If you have prostate cancer that has spread
to the bone, then he's most certainly you were saying
had it when he was president of the United States.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
Oh yeah, he did not develop it in the last
one hundred two hundred days. He had it while he
was president. He probably had it at the start of
his president in twenty one. Yes, that, I don't think
there's any disagreement about that.
Speaker 2 (03:07):
Okay, So does it come down to a conspiracy theory
about the White House covering this up as well about
President Biden's health. Not necessarily, because when you reach a
certain age, the doctors don't care that much about your
PSA numbers. They don't care that much about your prostate
cancer because once you get to seventy seventy five years old,
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even if you do have prostate cancer, it is very
often a slow growing, slow spreading cancer where they believe
you're going to die from something else before the prostate
cancer gets you. One of the doctors I saw yesterday
interviewed about this, said that about eighty percent of men,
if they reach the age of eighty, about eighty percent
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of them do have some amount of prostate cancer cells
in their body, so that part of it is not necessarily.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Unusual.
Speaker 2 (04:04):
Now, we know that Biden had a physical in February
at the end of February last year, so the suggestion
that somehow he was you know, that this was a
hidden is is kind of a stretch at this point.
Speaker 3 (04:21):
Now.
Speaker 2 (04:22):
I know, I'm saying that in the context of her
audio tapes, the Robert Hurr interview tapes that came out
on Friday, which were mind blowing how bad he sounded
in those things. But there is a medical explanation as
to why they wouldn't necessarily even do a prostate test,
a digital exam, the PSA blood test on a guy
(04:43):
that's eighty years old, because again, the assumption for a
lot of people is for a lot of men, is
that something else is going to get them before the
prostate cancer gets them. ABC's medical correspondent, doctor Tara Narula.
Speaker 6 (04:57):
We heard it did, in fact spread to the bones.
We know that that is a place where prostate cancer
usually spreads. That means it is a stage four B
usually that means it is not curable, it is treatable.
In general, we think about prostate cancer as being slow
growing and usually having a good five year survival ninety
nine percent. When it is spread to distant sites than
that five year survival drops are about thirty seven percent.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Yeah, and that is the biggest deal, is that this
has metastasized to his two bones somewhere. They haven't said
exactly where they found it in which bone it was
or bones. Prostate cancer second most commonly diagnosed cancer, fifth
leading cause of cancer related deaths in the United States,
according to report a couple five years ago now, there
(05:41):
were about a million four new cases globally three hundred
and seventy five thousand deaths each year. It is the
most frequently diagnosed cancer in one hundred and twelve countries
and the leading cause of cancer in about leading cause
of cancer death, I should say, in forty eight of
those countries. Right, A little bit more about what the
treatment options are available to him at eighty two years old.
(06:06):
There are questions about what chemo does to you, about
what radiation does to you, and when you have the
very hard discussions with family members about what kind of
quality of life you're going to want over the next
couple of years, that can limit what it is that
you do. In terms of treatment, they have said that
(06:27):
this is one of those forms of cancer that is
receptive to hormone therapies, which lately have been just astounding
in many cases in their ability to treat cancers like this.
So that's the case, but you can't ignore that so
many people these days are being diagnosed with cancers. Eighty
(06:48):
two year old guy with prostate cancer is not a
giant surprise. It is surprising that it is this far
along and that it has metastasized. But again, this echoes, unfortunately,
something that I had to go through with my dad
over the last few years before he passed away. So
I'll tell you a little bit about that situation when
(07:08):
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I mentioned, but she will be back on Friday for
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We'll listen to those, so a little bit more on
a former president's cancer diagnosis, and then getting into Palm
Springs as well, what we know about the guy that
blew himself up outside that fertility clinic.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
The news came out yesterday the former President Biden diagnosed
with an aggressive form of prostay cancer that has metastasized
just spread to his bones. This is the most common
type of cancer among men, especially when you get to
the age of eighty two. I mentioned yesterday one of
the doctors I saw interviewed referred to a statistic that
(09:18):
eighty percent of men who are eighty or older have
some amount of prostay cancer cells in their body. Some
types of prostay cancer can be pretty aggressive and as
we've seen in this case, can spread to other parts
of the body, including the bones. This is exactly the
diagnosis that my father had, and he did pass away at.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
The age of Let me do the math on that
eighty two.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
Who's actually dad was diagnosed with prostay cancer very early,
much earlier than this obviously, he was diagnosed when he
was about sixty years old and went through the process
of radiation to shrink the cancer, had the prostate removed
all of that, and it was a very slow movie.
(10:13):
It was there, and the doctors were aware of it,
and it became sort of the annual or biannual or sorry,
semi annual PSA number test, and my two sisters and
I and Mom always were interested in and knew what
his PSA numbers were. So later in life they had
(10:35):
made the discovery that the prostate cancer had spread to
other parts of his body. Specifically, they found a couple
spots on his lung, which we assumed was going to
be very quick from that point, and it wasn't. It
was a couple of years before it then spread also
(10:56):
to his bones and started taking its toll on his
ability to produce red blood cells, which listen. It's the
story itself is sad, it's painful, it's hard to talk about.
It's not unusual, and that I think is probably the
most important part of it is everybody's got a story
about this in their own life. Doesn't necessarily have to
(11:17):
be prostate cancer can be other kinds of cancer, but
having lost both of my parents to different forms of cancer.
This is one of those particularly hard stories to talk about. Listen,
Joe Biden's family is going to deal with the loss
of at some point, I mean, whenever it happens. His
prognosis they said, is probably fine for a couple of years.
(11:41):
They're going to deal with the loss of husband, father, grandfather, uncle.
However it works out, and the family is going to
have to deal with it on the outside of it.
Speaker 3 (11:55):
If you look at this sort of through.
Speaker 2 (11:58):
The political lens, it's hard not to im he's a
former president and this is something that you just do
at some point as you look at this through a
political lens. I'm not talking about the Robert hurtapes. I'm
not talking about the book. There's time for that. Tomorrow.
We'll talk about what's going on and who might be
responsible for sort of covering up health issues and things
(12:20):
with the president. But almost this almost guarantees that he
becomes a sad story of American politics. This guy's life
has been marked by tragedy from early on, when he
lost his wife and his daughter in a car crash
(12:41):
and his two sons were injured. Remarries, loses a son
to cancer, loses bo to cancer, Hunter Biden just a
train wreck of a life that that guy has gone
through and dragged his parents and rest of his family through.
And Joe Biden because he trips up in that debate.
It's a very positive way to put it. He trips
(13:02):
up in that debate last June, ends up deciding that
he's going to pass the mantle from from his nomination
for president to the vice president so that she can run.
And now it just dogged by questions about where he
was while he was in the White House, mentally, physically,
et cetera. And this sort of cements that sad chapter,
(13:27):
that sad story that he's going to be known for.
And that's an awful way to go. Like I said,
families do this all the time. Families deal with cancer
diagnoses all the time. Families lose people to cancer all
the time. Not saying it makes it any easier for
the Biden family. It doesn't. But there are two very
(13:47):
very separate things going on. You can feel awful for
the family because of what they have to go through
for the next couple months and years, and even him
because of the treatment whatever it looks like. But there
is a political aspect to this that is not ignorable.
You can't just say this is something that goes away.
As I played for you earlier that doctor Zeke Emmanuel,
(14:11):
well known oncologist, who said this didn't just pop up.
This something's going on there where either he's been living
with it for a while and presidents, by the way,
are covered by hippo laws. So unless there's some sort
of very specific national security issue that we need to
know about, and I'll you can hear the argument that
(14:31):
there was, but not with prostate cancer. There is a
possibility that someone knew about this, whether it was White
House physicians, the Pentagon, somebody knew about this, and because
it wasn't pertinent to national security and the family didn't
want to publicize it, then you could understand why they
kept it quiet.
Speaker 3 (14:52):
The timing of it.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
This is the ultimate sympathy card to get out from
under questions about the book that's coming out tomorrow with
Jake Tapper and Alex Thompson. The Robert Hurt tapes that
were aired on Friday for the first time where you
could hear him stumbling through those questions and answers. So
there's time to do that later but again, I think
this cements a very sad legacy for Joe Biden. A
(15:17):
lot of activity in Palm Springs. Over the weekend, there
was a story about this guy who attacked a fertility
clinic and why he thought they were doing the wrong
thing by promoting you know, babies.
Speaker 3 (15:33):
Will explain what's going on with that guy. We come back.
Speaker 1 (15:36):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 7 (15:41):
Thanks for covering the Biden situation with his prostate I
was recently diagnosed with price state cancer. I' mcleas in
seven and I've got options. I'm gonna choose surgery. I
found a doctor in Orange County who's done seven thousand
robotic prestectimus. He's one of the top ten WOW in
the United States. But Doc Joe Biden received the news
(16:05):
that I was hoping I wouldn't have. I'm almost sixty four.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, a best of luck to you, well if we
get any more details. By the way, we know that
a bunch of politicians obviously come out and wished the
Biden family and Joe specifically, whatever good luck they have.
President Trump put out a truth social post yesterday saying
that he and First Lady Malania Saddin to hear the diagnosis.
(16:31):
We extend our warmest and best wishes to Jill in
the family. We wish Joe a fast and successful recovery.
So anything new on that will definitely bring it to you.
Speaker 8 (16:41):
Well.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
In Palm Springs, there was an explosion over the weekend
out in front of a fertility clinic there American Reproductive Centers,
and the suspect in this bombing a twenty five year
old guy named Guy Guy Guy named Guy Edward Bartkus,
(17:02):
who up to this point had really no dealings with
law enforcement. The FBI Assistant Director Akhill Davis is the guy.
You'll hear a bunch of these different sound bites.
Speaker 9 (17:12):
This is probably the largest bombing scene that we've had
in southern California. This does he clips the bombing matter
in the Liso Viejo. It's that big and just for
reference to throw pieces of vehicle hundreds of feet in
the air and they several blocks away. You can use
your imagine imagine how big that's that bomb device was.
Speaker 2 (17:32):
Yeah, that's why when the news conference was held on
Saturday afternoon, they said, we have a person of interest,
but we're not actively looking for someone out in the neighborhood.
I mean, technically they were looking out for pieces of
this guy throughout the neighborhood because he turned himself into
a fine pink mist They said, though, that this may
(17:54):
have been an attempt not to kill himself. I don't
know how they would believe that, but the guy was
blown to smithereens by the size of this explosion.
Speaker 9 (18:05):
This is the first time he's popped up on our radar.
Not to say that he hasn't had other contacts, but
we are working with our locals to kind of vet that.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
In terms of the full investigation, we.
Speaker 9 (18:14):
Need the public's help in identifying gaps in our investigation.
We know where mister Barkis was at about six am.
We know the timeline of when he entered the city. However,
we need the public's help for identifying where he traversed
within the city before the explosion went off.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
All right, So why the fertility clinic a kill Davis again?
FBI assistant director said that they believe that he was
attempting to live stream the attack. He said that they
found a website that it's not named, apparently, but included
the theory that this was a war against pro lifers,
(18:52):
that the fertility clinic would be targeted, and quote here
you can download the recorded stream of my suicide and
bombing of an IVF clinic, but no file actually existed.
So I don't know if he was just simply unable
to put this thing together. But why what about that
fertility clinic drove this guy to the point that he
wanted to attack it.
Speaker 9 (19:11):
The subject had nihilistic ideations and this was a targeted
attack against the IDF facility based on our investigation some
of the posts that he's made online, some of the
comments made in his manifesto that we're combing through right
now is kind of what led us to that nihilist belief.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
Okay, So the whole nihilism thing, the whole downgrade of humanity,
the whole we don't deserve to be here and everything
is dark and desperate, and that I understand when people
get to that point. I mean, I should say I
understand that people can get to that point, but the
different iterations of it when you start talking not just
(19:50):
about the nihilistic thoughts, but abolitionist, veganism, negative utilitarianism and
pro mortalist.
Speaker 3 (20:00):
What the hell do these things mean?
Speaker 2 (20:01):
And why are we allowing the internet to continue to exist?
Oh and by the way, this guy's dad heartbreaking interviews
that this guy's dad has had to give now since
his son blew himself to smithereens, we'll talk about what
those abolicious veganism nihilist things mean and what to look
out for.
Speaker 1 (20:21):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 10 (20:25):
I just heard the news about mister Biden, our former president,
and I just want to know if anybody has said
to you or to Shannon, shame on you for making
fun of him because he was really sick. And all
I heard from you is how he was boring and
how he talked and everything. Well, no wonder the man
(20:49):
had cancer. And let me tell you it's no joke.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
Well, I explained that I know very well, all too well,
that it is no joke. But my question would be
if you could point to an instance where we made
fun of him because he was sick, I will gladly
eat my hat. I'd eat your hat as well. And
(21:14):
I didn't make fun of anybody. I pointed out that
if this guy was sick, if this guy did have cancer,
there would be questions about whether or not he was
physically fit to lead the free world outside of whatever
mental problems were going on, if there were any. So
(21:38):
the idea that I was making fun of him because
he was sick doesn't really hold water. The bombing out
of Palm Springs again, Guy Edward Bartkiss to twenty five
year old with these nihilistic ideations is said to be responsible.
He packed his silver Ford Fusion with explosives and then
blew himself and that car up out behind the American
(22:01):
Reproductive Centers there in Palm Springs on Saturday morning, very
large amount of explosives, so much so that his remains
were completely shredded in the explosion. I mentioned that there
is this weird hodgepodge of philosophies that this guy supposedly
adhered to, things like abolitionist veganism, which is an opposition
(22:26):
to all animal huse animal use by humans, Okay, negative utilitarianism,
which is an idea that one should act to minimize
suffering rather than to maximize pleasure in the world. And then,
probably the most confusing to me, a pro mortalist whoever
(22:49):
wrote this website and they again they are crediting to
crediting it to this twenty five year old to blow
himself up. He wrote, basically, I'm a pro mortalist.
Speaker 3 (23:00):
If this is.
Speaker 2 (23:00):
A very strange mental exercise philosophical position where the argument
is it's better for a sentient being to die as
soon as possible to prevent future suffering. Okay, what I
(23:20):
don't quite get, and I don't know anybody who adheres
to pro mortalism. But once you make that decision, if
you come to the conclusion that it is better for
you as a sentient being to die as soon as
possible to prevent future suffering, why are you leaving yourself
time to write an entire website or plot out a
(23:44):
bombing plan. If pro mortalism is a real thing, wouldn't
you just immediately take your life. It seems to me
like there's a kind of a logical skip there. And
he wasn't capable of of putting those two together. His
dad lives nearby, and his dad, unfortunately had to answer
(24:09):
questions about this kid that he obviously knew very little about.
Speaker 8 (24:12):
Jay. He tried to help people.
Speaker 3 (24:14):
Said, He tried to help People's what dad said.
Speaker 8 (24:20):
He's a good kid.
Speaker 3 (24:21):
He's a good kid.
Speaker 8 (24:23):
The Twin nine pomy had just gained belief.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
Channel two and Channel five both claimed that they had
exclusive interviews with the guy, which means that they were
not exclusive.
Speaker 8 (24:32):
I don't know what change is, right, Maybe the girl,
maybe the people that he was hanging up put up there,
But it wasn't him before. That guy would never liked
that before. That guy would more for helping people.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
So we'll find out more. You heard Conway's promo there
for his show. Whenever this news conference takes place, we understand.
I haven't seen specifics about it, but the expectation is
the FBI is going to potentially have some more information.
The biggest question that they need to answer right now
is where did the explosives come from? Was this something
(25:04):
Apparently he had a hobby of model rocketry when he
was a kid. Dad said he almost burned the house
down when he was nine or something playing with matches.
So this is something that's been the explosives part of
It's been something that's been rattled around this guy's brain
for a while. The question is where did you get
that amount of explosives? Yes, he lives in twenty nine Palms.
(25:24):
They don't believe he has any connection to the military. Obviously,
the Marine Corps Air Ground Combat Center that's out there.
Speaker 3 (25:32):
Is it something that he's been.
Speaker 2 (25:35):
Compiling over the last several years to get that much
explosives into a car to blow it to smithereens or
what so. Anyway, that's the biggest question the FBI and
other law enforcement agencies are looking at.
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(26:12):
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