July 30, 2025 • 32 mins
#SWAMPWATCH / AI in Wyoming may soon use more electricity than state’s human residents. High Schoolers Beat the World’s Smartest AI Models. CEO warns AI could wipe out 1 in 2 white collar jobs in the next five years.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Tomorrow night is the first preseason
game of the NFL season. In fact, it's the Hall
of Fame game, the Like Chargers taking on the Detroit Lions.
That's where Shannon is today. She's traveling with the team
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and you'll hear her on well, she'll be on the
show tomorrow, but you'll hear her also doing the coverage
from the sidelines for the radio broadcast for tomorrow night's game,
starting at four o'clock right here on KFI. Earlier, we
were talking about sense memories, specifically the smell of grandma
or Grandpa's cooking.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I remember both.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
My grandma's made bread from scratch.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
They made dough.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
They'd spend days meeting dough and making different bread products.
And one of them made.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Caramel roles that were to die for.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
And the other one is German, so she made all
this German yummy food that had doe involved, like life
keeglow and paskinnifla croudbombushka.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I remember all those smells.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
They were absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Grandpa on mom's side, Grandpa Dickerson, he was the one
who was always responsible for the rolls at Thanksgiving, of
those big fluffy rolls that we would always have, and
cinnamon rolls at Christmas, and he was adamant about having
us the grandkids help him when he would make those
cinnamon rolls. And that recipes of course been passed down to.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Oh that's easy, fried chicken and green beans boiled with bacon,
Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Oh that sounds a great Janet from Victorville. One more time, Hey, Gary,
Janet from Victorville.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
I just wanted to save. My favorite memory of my
grandma's house was she would make Wiener sandwiches. She would
cut two hot dogs in half, put them on some
dry wheat toast, and put those things in the toaster
oven and there was lunch. Great memories. Me and my
cousin still talk about those Wieners.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
See, you can leave us a talk back on the
iHeart app. In the meantime, it's a time for swamp watch.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar.
And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
Yeah, we got The real problem is that our leaders
are done.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
The other side never quit, so.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
So now you train the swap, I can imagine what
can be and be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
You know, Americans have always been gone as they're not stupid.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Whether people voted for you were not. Swamp Watch.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
They're all count ofal Well, just out of Washington, d C.
The Federal Reserve has decided to keep interest rates unchanged.
That's not going to go over well in the White House.
Fed Open Market Committee released its interest rate decision today.
A couple of FED governors said that they were no
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votes on keeping the federal funds rate locked at the
four point twenty five or four point five percent, So
it would be the first time that multiple governors have
dissented since late ninety three. Also the first meeting since
the President's visit to the construction site at the FED
from last week about the cost overruns. Remember, President Trump
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is no fan of Jerome Powell. He says that Jerome
Powell has been sitting on an interest rate cut and
not doing it, despite the fact that all economic indicators
say that it would be time to start doing that.
The President believes that that would infuse even more energy
into the economy, but at this point he's not really
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allowed to fire the FED Reserve chair unless there's some cause.
And the whole idea of going to the construction site
for the FED building last week was to try to
at least begin the process of developing a story about
how the overruns at the FED construction site might be
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a reason to get rid of Jerome pal So at
this point, it does not look like the Fed Reserve
is going to change rates at all. So they're not
going to cut, they're not going to increase, They're going
to just keep the rates unchanged.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
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Speaker 1 (04:21):
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Speaking of the Commerce Department, they did say that the
economy did surge between April and June after shrinking in
the first three months of the year. So good economic
news is that the GDP increased that an annual rate
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of about three percent in the second quarter. That's higher
than was forecast and much better than the first three
months of the year when the GDP fell by a
half a percent. One of the issues that's been helping
the economy is the lack of imports, so we have
to buy stuff built and made here. And one of
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the reasons is because of our tariff talk. You know,
a couple months ago, it seemed like every single day
there was a new story about tariffs. Well, today the
President said he is not going to extend the deadline
for the reciprocal tariffs on a bunch of countries that
are supposed to restart. Remember he paused it for a
while in order to have these deals develop. And at
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this point they're saying that he is not going to
extend that deadline all caps, because that's you know, he
means it when he writes in all caps, the August
first deadline is the August first deadline. It stands strong
and will not be extended. A big day for America.
He then fired off another post announcing that the US
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is going to impose a twenty five percent tariff on
goods from India and a penalty because India continues to
buy military gear and oil and gas from Russia. President
had previously said that he was not going to extend
the deadline on the reciprocal tariffs before going on to
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do just that. So this time he really means it, apparently,
And again the issue at the Royal the Royal, the
Russian oil purchases and the military equipment. So with India specifically,
there will be a twenty five percent tariff on all
Indian imports and threatened the additional penalty as a result.
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He said in a truth social post, They've always bought
a vast majority of their military equipment from Russia. At
a time when everyone wants Russia to all caps stop
the killing in Ukraine, all things not good, he wrote.
There is a Bloomberg report about the three months plus
that Bill A. Sale has been running a Laus attorney's
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office for the Central District, and this Bloomberg report suggests
that he's ignoring and overruling recommendations of senior prosecutors who
an instructed staff to disregard specific policies and forcing lawyers
to redo indictment failures before new grand juries, that he's
got a pattern of yelling at career attorneys to pursue
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MAGA aligned cases despite their warnings of insufficient evidence. That
being said, the Trump administration is extending the term of
Bill A.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Saley.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
When the one hundred and twenty day interim term ends today,
he's going to receive a new acting appointment. The top
deputy said as much in a email that went out
just yesterday. This appointment follows the same playbook that they
used for a prosecutor in that the administration used for
a prosecutor over in Nevada. And it's the fourth time
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that the executive branch moved to retain a chief prosecutor
without approval from the judiciary. In this case, the US
District Court for the Central District of California decided not
to appoint him permanently, but they administration can keep him
on as that acting US attorney.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
So well, that's a.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Strange story in that it's been built up as he
is ruining the Central District of California, and Bill A.
Saley and proponents of his have said that he's been
the first US Attorney in central in the Central District
in California to bring some strength back to that office.
Artificial intelligence is coming. You can't stop it. It's the
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tsunami that will be here at some point and will
cause damage.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
The question is how much.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
One of the issues that AI is bringing with it
is the amount of energy that it uses. We'll talk
about how that is stretching the power grid and why Wyoming, Wyoming,
of all places, is in the spotlight that's coming up next.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty. Hi.
Speaker 9 (09:00):
Gary, So, my grandma's house on my dad's side. We
would go over there quite a bit when I was younger,
and her house always smelled either like beans cooking or
there was like this bacon slash large smell. But it
always always smelled like cigars.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
No matter what.
Speaker 9 (09:22):
You could smell it from the sidewalk. But that's something
that I always remember.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, that's kind of the old the old timey smell.
A lot more homes smelled like cigars and cigarette interesting topic.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
I can actually recreate the smell from my grandmother. She
taught me how to make gumbo and she's with me
in the kitchen while I make it every time.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Have a great day, you guys, Thank you for that.
That's great.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
Hi.
Speaker 9 (09:47):
Gary, it's my dad's mom, my grandmother.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
On that side, she.
Speaker 10 (09:50):
Would brown hamburger, make it up with pork and bee,
put it on a hamburger.
Speaker 11 (09:56):
But leave them all open face on a fan light.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
The chare kees on him in royal Oh, my brother
and I love those things, and.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
We would eat him like nothing else.
Speaker 11 (10:07):
That's the only place that's.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Like a sloppy Joe on steroids.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Almost quick news out of DC we mentioned that FED
Reserve is going to leave its key short term interest
rate unchanged for the fifth time this year. That despite
repeated calls from the President for a cut. So right
now short term rate is right at about four point
three percent. That's where it's been since they reduced it
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three times last year. The mayor of Cheyenne, Wyoming, has
announced plans for an AI data center in his city.
This AI data center in Cheyenne, Wyoming, would consume more
electricity by itself than all of the homes in the
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city of Cheyenne combined.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Wait, there's more. It would again.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
This AI data center in Cheyenne would consume more electricity
than all the homes in the entire state of Wyoming. Granted,
Wyoming is I think it's the least populous state. But
this facility is a joint venture between energy infrastructure company
tail Grass and an AI developer called Crusoe. It would
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start at one point eight gigawatts or jigawatts if you
are a Doc Brown fan, and then scale up to
ten giga jigawatts of power. Difficult to overstate how much
this means for the state of Wyoming. Initial one point
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eight gigawatt phase consumes fifteen taro watt hours annually. That's
more than five times the electricity used by every household
in the state of Wyoming.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Come bind in terms of electricity.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
This is going to be earth changing, earth shattering for
the electricity industry, for utilities in general. The way artificial
intelligence data centers consume electricity just eat it up like
it's going out of style. And one specific power grid
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on the East Coast.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Now I was just talking about Wyoming, but on.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
The East Coast, the largest grid that we have is
called the PJM Interconnection LLC, and for a long time, listen.
It goes from Illinois east to New Jersey down to
North Carolina. They usually have more than enough power to
get by, not like here in California, where it seems
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like late in the summers we always get some sort
of cal iso flex alert or something like that. The
problem is there's no longer any spare power supply. Tech
companies are being tasked with finding their own electricity, finding
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their own generating plants. There are already signs of stress
on the largest US power grid. During the last five weeks,
PGM Interconnection LLC that's the name of the grid, issued
nine Level one emergency alerts, which just is the again
level one down at the bottom, but indicated it's concerned
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about maintaining adequate power reserves. They've done nine in five weeks.
Last summer, the entire summer they did one. This is
obviously the peak for power consumption when it comes to
United States suppliers electricity, and unsurprisingly the warning came last
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year when we saw a heat wave in June and
that cause some issues and that everybody's running the air conditioners,
at least those who have them, so that became an issue.
But not all of the alerts come during periods of
high temperature too. Earlier this month attributed to unplanned power outages,
and they say that they are operating smoothly. Again, it's
just a level one alert on that power grid back ease.
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But it is an indication that we could start to
see more and more of these power generation issues because
of AI, and if Wyoming is any indicator, the huge
AI data centers that are going up around the country
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may be the ones that probably are going to have
the highest strain on our electricity or our electricity generation.
Open AI recently activated the first phase of a data
center enabling Texas and said that Texas generates roughly and
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depending on how account about a gigawat of energy and
represents the largest data center that they can think of
in the world. They've also committed to developing an additional
four and a half gigawatts of data center capacity through
an agreement with Oracle. So they are going to be
driving what is going to be the next big technology
leap when it comes to utilities in the United States. Okay,
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so you want bad news or good news when it
comes to AI. Let's start with the bad news. We'll
end with the good news. The other bad news about
artificial intelligence is that it might be wiping out not
just jobs, but specific high paying white collar jobs.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
We'll talk about that we come back.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
The Hall of Fame game tomorrow night means that Shannon's
traveling today with the Chargers. She'll be on the show
tomorrow and then of course a pregame for that Hall
of Fame game between the Chargers and starts at four
o'clock here on KFI. Kickoff is just after five, and
we'll hear from her again as she takes the Red
Eye back to home. And then Friday morning should be
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quite an adventure. In a few minutes, we'll talk about
why there is good news about AI.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
We're gonna start with some bad news about AI.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
But before that, how about some sense memories about Grandma
and Grandpa.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
Hey Gary, one of the things that always makes me
think of my grandma's cooking is Thanksgiving corn bread, stuffing, turkey,
fresh bake rolls, all that kind of stuff just makes
me think of both of my grandmothers. I think it's
so important that we continue to make homemade food for
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our kids, because they really are what makes your memories.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
That's very true, hey Gary.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
My Scandinavian grandmother used to specialize in making a form
of Danish pancake called an embleskiverer or an apple skiver. It
was made with with whipped egg whites and flour and buttermilk.
Was this thick, rich but somehow fluffy batter and they
were just they were magical. I remember them to this day.
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I used to eat them, you know, a half dozen
at a time. If you go up to Solving and
try one of their breakfast.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Places, yeah, they've got ables givers.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I remember most about my grandmother cooking for me is
she used to make new pancakes and a little cast
iron pan and you smelled like sugar and butter and love.
And I haven't had a pancake since she done seventeen
years ago. Wow, that's how. We're from New Orleans, so
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you know she knows how she knew how to through that.
Thank you for letting me share.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Awesome, Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
The head of one of the world's most powerful AI
labs has warned that AI could eliminate half of all
entry level white collar jobs.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
With it in the next five years. Half. It's a
guy named.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Dario Amloday and he was on with Anderson Cooper on
CNN and again, half of all entry level white collar
jobs within the next five years.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
This is how it sounded.
Speaker 12 (18:22):
You said that AI could wipe out half of all
entry level white collar jobs and spike unemployment to ten
to twenty percent. How soon might that happen?
Speaker 11 (18:34):
I really worry particularly at the entry level that the
AI models are, you know, very much at the center
of what an entry level human worker would do, and
so it's hard to estimate, you know, exactly what the
impact would be, and you know that there's always this
question of adaptation, and you know these technology changes that
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happened before. But I think what is striking to me
about this AI boom is that it's bigger, and it's
it's broader, and it's moving faster than anything has before,
and so compared to previous technology changes, I'm a little
bit more worried about the labor impact simply because it's
happening so fast that yes, people will adapt, but they
may not adapt fast enough, and so there may be
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an adjustment period.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
All Right, we'll get to the second part of that
here in just a second. But again this is Dario Amoday,
who is the chief of Anthropic He said, AI is
starting to get better than humans at almost all intellectual tasks,
and we are going to have to as a society
collectively grapple with all of this. He said that the
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technology could boost unemployment. The number that Anderson Cooper there
said was as high as twenty percent within about five
years because, for example, the AI that he's been working
on the company Anthropic, can work nearly seven hours a
day and has the skills typically required of entry level
corporate work work, for example, the ability to summarize the document,
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analyze a bunch of sources, put it into some some report,
write computer code at the same standard as a pretty
smart college student.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
That's that's what he says.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
The level of his product is, and he said, we
can see where the trend is going. That's what's driving
some of the concern about AI in the workforce. Regardless
regardless of the industry.
Speaker 12 (20:27):
You are running an incredibly important company in AI.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Why are you raising the alarm?
Speaker 11 (20:34):
I think the reason I'm raising the alarm is that
I think others, others haven't as much. And you know,
I think someone needs to say it, you know, to
be to be clear. And you know, I recognize it's
always a difficult balance, right, I'm aware of my position
that I'm building this technology while also expressing concerns about it.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
And you know the reason.
Speaker 11 (20:50):
I'm doing both of those things is, you know, one,
I think the benefits are massive, and you know, we
need to find a way to achieve benefits and mitigate
or prevent prevent the harm. And you know, the second
thing I would say is, look, there are, as you mentioned,
six or seven companies in the US building this technology. Right,
if we stop doing it tomorrow, the rest would continue.
If all of us somehow stop doing it tomorrow, then
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China would just beat us. And I don't think China
winning this in this technology is you know, I don't
think that helps anyone or make the situation any better.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, that's not That doesn't settle your brain at all.
He did a separate interview with Axios and again Dario Amide,
chief executive officer at Anthropic, which is an AI company,
said these changes to the workforce because of AI are
going to happen in a very small amount of time,
and his timeline is as little as a couple of
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years or less. Now that's that means that we're going
to see, in his idea, somewhere between ten and twenty
percent unemployment rate possible because of what AI would be
capable of doing in a couple of years. But he
did say, listen, there's I mean, there's some amount out
of positivity. As an example, he said, it sounds crazy.
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People just don't believe it, but in a few years
you could see. And again, this is a guy who
runs a business developing AI, so obviously he's pretty high
on his own product. But he says cancer could be cured,
the economy could grow at ten percent a year, the
budget would be balanced, and then twenty percent of people
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don't have jobs. The World Economic Forum survey found that
forty one percent of employers do want to reduce their
workforce because they can turn over a lot of work
to AI. By the year twenty thirty, forty one percent
of employers want to reduce their workforce and replace it
with AI within five years four and a half now,
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they said in a statement, advances in AI and renewable
energy are reshaping the market, driving an increase in demand
for many technology or specialist roles, while driving a decline
for others like graphic designers.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I mean that that I just the idea.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
We could spend all day talking about which industries could
suffer greatly as a result of AI coming in, and
graphic design is one of them. I mean, where to
now you can, instead of sitting down with a graphic designer,
sit down with your keyboard and have an AI chatbot,
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large language model, whatever it is, come up with an
advertising campaign for you that you get to tweak and
manipulate until you have it absolutely perfect without ever having
spent a dime on hiring a graphic design kind that
does not sound good. I have good news, though, I
do have good news when it comes to artificial intelligence.
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Some of the smartest AI models ever made. I mean
that's not where they're going to stop. They will get smarter,
But some of the smartest AI models ever made just
went to the most prestigious competition for young mathematicians and
they got their asses handed to them. We'll talk about
that when we come back Power to Humanity.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Tomorrow night is the Hall of Fame game and you'll
hear it live here on KFI. Pregame starts at four,
the kickoff is just after five o'clock. She will be
on the show tomorrow, so we'll hear her coming on
at nine o'clock getting ready for the big game to
kick off the NFL preseason with tomorrow night's game. We were
talking earlier, specifically about what kind of memories you have,
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you and your siblings. Whatever it is about grandma and
grandpa cooking something that I think a lot of people
have rattling around on the back of their brains.
Speaker 10 (24:55):
Hey, Gary, Ukrainian grandma used to make scrambled eggs with
pooled pork, and you can believe that that polled pork
was super fresh. Well, she had pigs and the barn
full of them, and also varanki which you Americans call kirogi,
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with freshly freshly gathered cherries from the trees in her garden.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Thank you love the accent, by the way, Hey, Gary,
Brian and Coronayrian.
Speaker 13 (25:27):
I come from a big Italian family and my grandmother,
may God rest her soul, used to make lasagna from
scratch and it was the most amazing tasting I've never felt.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I've never tasted it since she passed.
Speaker 13 (25:41):
I've never been able. Nobody's been able to duplicate it,
but it was amazing her lasagna. She made the noodles
from scratch, She made the sauce from scratch, fresh tomatoes.
Everything she did from scratch, and I will never forget
her lasagna.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
That's funny. I didn't have.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I mean, my grandparents were from the Midwest and among
other things, and down here in California, so there were
not a lot of ethnic dishes that we had, and
lasagna for me was always purchased in a tin and
never homemade, never homemade. So those few times and I
did eat homemade lasagna, it was world changing that it
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could taste as good as it did. We're talking about
artificial intelligence and among other things, the amount of energy
that it takes for these AI data centers to operate,
and how it's going to be a strain on the grid.
Last segment, I told you about one CEO of Anthropic
AI is saying that the AI bots could replace workers
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in lower entry level white collar jobs to the point
where we could see the unemployment rate spike over ten
percent sometime the next few years.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Well, I do have some good news. I do have
good news.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Few every year, I should say, a few hundred high
school students from all over the planet gather at something
called the International Mathematical OLYMPIAD, Right, sounds exciting, not really,
But this year they were joined by another competitor, shall
we call it. They were joined by Google, Deep Mind
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and some other companies that deal with artificial intelligence, and
they all came to this International Mathematical Olympiad because they
believe it's one of the ultimate tests of reasoning and
logic and creativity. This is a grueling test. The International
Mathematical Olympiads held over two days. It gives students three
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increasingly difficult problems a day, but it also gives them
more than four hours to solve them. And the questions
can be everything from algebra to geometry, to number theory
to come by natorics. Never heard of it, and if
you know, if you've heard of it, then you're one
of the smarter people in the room. You can forget
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about answering it. If you are not a massive math whiz.
Just trying to understand the questions is sometimes a struggle,
and the problems, they say are both complex and unconventional,
and it has become what they describe as a benchmark
for testing AI or measuring AI progress is a better
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way to say it. From one year to the next.
And now that we've seen AI develop so much quicker
over the last year two years compared to five years ago.
The leading research labs say that one day they'll be
powerful enough to meet the standard for an International Mathematical
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Olympiad gold medal. Which it is funny because the Wall
Street Journal describes the gold medal in the IMO as
sort of the AI equivalent to a four minute mile.
The unthinkable occurred last month when Google Deep Mind earned
a gold medal score at the International Mathematical Olympiad by
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solving five of those six six problems. In another twist,
Open AI claimed it got a gold medal. It didn't
wasn't actually there at the Olympiad, but they claimed a
gold medal because they described their feats as giant leaves
toward the future, even if they're not there yet. The
most the most remarkable part of the event is that
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twenty six of these high school students from around the
world got higher scores on the International Mathematical Olympiad test
than any of the AI systems. Four stars on the
US team, including a kid from California, Tiger Jang. Alexander Wong,
brought his third straight gold back to New Jersey he's
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one of the most decorated young mathematicians ever and he's
currently still in high school.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
He's a senior.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
He could go for another gold at the International Mathematical
Olympiad next year. Until recently, what happened would probably be
a red flag. I mean, if we told you that
five years ago there was a computer who was able
to completely understand and solve these very very complex, logical,
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mathematical strange questions, that might cause First it might cause alarm.
Now it doesn't cause alarm because we're so used to
some of the things that AI has been able to
do that it's not as surprising. Should be should be surprising,
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don't don't fall asleep on AI. But it's not as surprising.
AI models are trained on all kinds of information. So
if there is any chance that that thing or that
math problem existed before, the chance is it's going to
be able to figure out how to do it again.
But they struggle with the problem that they've never seen before.
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That's one of the drawbacks of the way that AI
develops now is it can only rely on for the
most part, it can only rely on things in the past,
information from the past. That's why some of the current
large language models. If you ask it questions about current events,
it'll tell you I'm not really caught up on that yet.
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Most of my information learning stopped in December or two
weeks ago, or however it keeps up. But now they're
saying that this is going to be one of the
issues at AI is going to teach itself is how
to stay on top of the terabytes and terabytes and
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terabytes of information that are developed every single day.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
But again, the.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Good news is there were some AI models that took
part in the International Mathematical Olympiad, but there were at
least twenty six students who scored better than all of
those and open AI models, I should say AI models
open AIS a specific brand, So that's goodness. We need
to cordon off those twenty six kids. We need to
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reproduce their genes and inject them into everybody's heads so
we can continue to beat AI up. Next all of
our trending stories. Hey, it's Wednesday, So what you watch
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We'll talk about that coming up when we continue Gary
and Shannon. You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
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on the iHeartRadio app. Tomorrow night is the first preseason
game of the NFL season. In fact, it's the Hall
of Fame game, the Like Chargers taking on the Detroit Lions.
That's where Shannon is today. She's traveling with the team
(00:22):
and you'll hear her on well, she'll be on the
show tomorrow, but you'll hear her also doing the coverage
from the sidelines for the radio broadcast for tomorrow night's game,
starting at four o'clock right here on KFI. Earlier, we
were talking about sense memories, specifically the smell of grandma
or Grandpa's cooking.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
I remember both.
Speaker 3 (00:41):
My grandma's made bread from scratch.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
They made dough.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
They'd spend days meeting dough and making different bread products.
And one of them made.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Caramel roles that were to die for.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
And the other one is German, so she made all
this German yummy food that had doe involved, like life
keeglow and paskinnifla croudbombushka.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I remember all those smells.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
They were absolutely amazing.
Speaker 1 (01:07):
Grandpa on mom's side, Grandpa Dickerson, he was the one
who was always responsible for the rolls at Thanksgiving, of
those big fluffy rolls that we would always have, and
cinnamon rolls at Christmas, and he was adamant about having
us the grandkids help him when he would make those
cinnamon rolls. And that recipes of course been passed down to.
Speaker 4 (01:28):
Oh that's easy, fried chicken and green beans boiled with bacon,
Sunday afternoons.
Speaker 5 (01:38):
Oh that sounds a great Janet from Victorville. One more time, Hey, Gary,
Janet from Victorville.
Speaker 6 (01:44):
I just wanted to save. My favorite memory of my
grandma's house was she would make Wiener sandwiches. She would
cut two hot dogs in half, put them on some
dry wheat toast, and put those things in the toaster
oven and there was lunch. Great memories. Me and my
cousin still talk about those Wieners.
Speaker 1 (02:04):
See, you can leave us a talk back on the
iHeart app. In the meantime, it's a time for swamp watch.
Speaker 5 (02:11):
I'm a politician, which means I'm a cheat and a liar.
And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing their lollipops.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
Yeah, we got The real problem is that our leaders
are done.
Speaker 5 (02:21):
The other side never quit, so.
Speaker 2 (02:24):
I'm not going anywhere.
Speaker 5 (02:26):
So now you train the swap, I can imagine what
can be and be unburdened by what has been.
Speaker 4 (02:31):
You know, Americans have always been gone as they're not stupid.
Speaker 1 (02:35):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 5 (02:38):
Whether people voted for you were not. Swamp Watch.
Speaker 1 (02:41):
They're all count ofal Well, just out of Washington, d C.
The Federal Reserve has decided to keep interest rates unchanged.
That's not going to go over well in the White House.
Fed Open Market Committee released its interest rate decision today.
A couple of FED governors said that they were no
(03:02):
votes on keeping the federal funds rate locked at the
four point twenty five or four point five percent, So
it would be the first time that multiple governors have
dissented since late ninety three. Also the first meeting since
the President's visit to the construction site at the FED
from last week about the cost overruns. Remember, President Trump
(03:23):
is no fan of Jerome Powell. He says that Jerome
Powell has been sitting on an interest rate cut and
not doing it, despite the fact that all economic indicators
say that it would be time to start doing that.
The President believes that that would infuse even more energy
into the economy, but at this point he's not really
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allowed to fire the FED Reserve chair unless there's some cause.
And the whole idea of going to the construction site
for the FED building last week was to try to
at least begin the process of developing a story about
how the overruns at the FED construction site might be
(04:05):
a reason to get rid of Jerome pal So at
this point, it does not look like the Fed Reserve
is going to change rates at all. So they're not
going to cut, they're not going to increase, They're going
to just keep the rates unchanged.
Speaker 5 (04:19):
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Speaking of the Commerce Department, they did say that the
economy did surge between April and June after shrinking in
the first three months of the year. So good economic
news is that the GDP increased that an annual rate
(04:44):
of about three percent in the second quarter. That's higher
than was forecast and much better than the first three
months of the year when the GDP fell by a
half a percent. One of the issues that's been helping
the economy is the lack of imports, so we have
to buy stuff built and made here. And one of
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the reasons is because of our tariff talk. You know,
a couple months ago, it seemed like every single day
there was a new story about tariffs. Well, today the
President said he is not going to extend the deadline
for the reciprocal tariffs on a bunch of countries that
are supposed to restart. Remember he paused it for a
while in order to have these deals develop. And at
(05:26):
this point they're saying that he is not going to
extend that deadline all caps, because that's you know, he
means it when he writes in all caps, the August
first deadline is the August first deadline. It stands strong
and will not be extended. A big day for America.
He then fired off another post announcing that the US
(05:47):
is going to impose a twenty five percent tariff on
goods from India and a penalty because India continues to
buy military gear and oil and gas from Russia. President
had previously said that he was not going to extend
the deadline on the reciprocal tariffs before going on to
(06:07):
do just that. So this time he really means it, apparently,
And again the issue at the Royal the Royal, the
Russian oil purchases and the military equipment. So with India specifically,
there will be a twenty five percent tariff on all
Indian imports and threatened the additional penalty as a result.
(06:28):
He said in a truth social post, They've always bought
a vast majority of their military equipment from Russia. At
a time when everyone wants Russia to all caps stop
the killing in Ukraine, all things not good, he wrote.
There is a Bloomberg report about the three months plus
that Bill A. Sale has been running a Laus attorney's
(06:51):
office for the Central District, and this Bloomberg report suggests
that he's ignoring and overruling recommendations of senior prosecutors who
an instructed staff to disregard specific policies and forcing lawyers
to redo indictment failures before new grand juries, that he's
got a pattern of yelling at career attorneys to pursue
(07:14):
MAGA aligned cases despite their warnings of insufficient evidence. That
being said, the Trump administration is extending the term of
Bill A.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Saley.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
When the one hundred and twenty day interim term ends today,
he's going to receive a new acting appointment. The top
deputy said as much in a email that went out
just yesterday. This appointment follows the same playbook that they
used for a prosecutor in that the administration used for
a prosecutor over in Nevada. And it's the fourth time
(07:45):
that the executive branch moved to retain a chief prosecutor
without approval from the judiciary. In this case, the US
District Court for the Central District of California decided not
to appoint him permanently, but they administration can keep him
on as that acting US attorney.
Speaker 5 (08:05):
So well, that's a.
Speaker 1 (08:08):
Strange story in that it's been built up as he
is ruining the Central District of California, and Bill A.
Saley and proponents of his have said that he's been
the first US Attorney in central in the Central District
in California to bring some strength back to that office.
Artificial intelligence is coming. You can't stop it. It's the
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tsunami that will be here at some point and will
cause damage.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
The question is how much.
Speaker 8 (08:39):
Well.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
One of the issues that AI is bringing with it
is the amount of energy that it uses. We'll talk
about how that is stretching the power grid and why Wyoming, Wyoming,
of all places, is in the spotlight that's coming up next.
Speaker 7 (08:54):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty. Hi.
Speaker 9 (09:00):
Gary, So, my grandma's house on my dad's side. We
would go over there quite a bit when I was younger,
and her house always smelled either like beans cooking or
there was like this bacon slash large smell. But it
always always smelled like cigars.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
No matter what.
Speaker 9 (09:22):
You could smell it from the sidewalk. But that's something
that I always remember.
Speaker 1 (09:27):
Yeah, that's kind of the old the old timey smell.
A lot more homes smelled like cigars and cigarette interesting topic.
Speaker 6 (09:34):
I can actually recreate the smell from my grandmother. She
taught me how to make gumbo and she's with me
in the kitchen while I make it every time.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
Have a great day, you guys, Thank you for that.
That's great.
Speaker 7 (09:47):
Hi.
Speaker 9 (09:47):
Gary, it's my dad's mom, my grandmother.
Speaker 2 (09:49):
On that side, she.
Speaker 10 (09:50):
Would brown hamburger, make it up with pork and bee,
put it on a hamburger.
Speaker 11 (09:56):
But leave them all open face on a fan light.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
The chare kees on him in royal Oh, my brother
and I love those things, and.
Speaker 2 (10:04):
We would eat him like nothing else.
Speaker 11 (10:07):
That's the only place that's.
Speaker 5 (10:09):
Like a sloppy Joe on steroids.
Speaker 1 (10:12):
Almost quick news out of DC we mentioned that FED
Reserve is going to leave its key short term interest
rate unchanged for the fifth time this year. That despite
repeated calls from the President for a cut. So right
now short term rate is right at about four point
three percent. That's where it's been since they reduced it
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three times last year. The mayor of Cheyenne, Wyoming, has
announced plans for an AI data center in his city.
This AI data center in Cheyenne, Wyoming, would consume more
electricity by itself than all of the homes in the
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city of Cheyenne combined.
Speaker 5 (10:57):
Wait, there's more. It would again.
Speaker 1 (11:01):
This AI data center in Cheyenne would consume more electricity
than all the homes in the entire state of Wyoming. Granted,
Wyoming is I think it's the least populous state. But
this facility is a joint venture between energy infrastructure company
tail Grass and an AI developer called Crusoe. It would
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start at one point eight gigawatts or jigawatts if you
are a Doc Brown fan, and then scale up to
ten giga jigawatts of power. Difficult to overstate how much
this means for the state of Wyoming. Initial one point
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eight gigawatt phase consumes fifteen taro watt hours annually. That's
more than five times the electricity used by every household
in the state of Wyoming.
Speaker 5 (11:59):
Come bind in terms of electricity.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
This is going to be earth changing, earth shattering for
the electricity industry, for utilities in general. The way artificial
intelligence data centers consume electricity just eat it up like
it's going out of style. And one specific power grid
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on the East Coast.
Speaker 5 (12:28):
Now I was just talking about Wyoming, but on.
Speaker 1 (12:30):
The East Coast, the largest grid that we have is
called the PJM Interconnection LLC, and for a long time, listen.
It goes from Illinois east to New Jersey down to
North Carolina. They usually have more than enough power to
get by, not like here in California, where it seems
(12:50):
like late in the summers we always get some sort
of cal iso flex alert or something like that. The
problem is there's no longer any spare power supply. Tech
companies are being tasked with finding their own electricity, finding
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their own generating plants. There are already signs of stress
on the largest US power grid. During the last five weeks,
PGM Interconnection LLC that's the name of the grid, issued
nine Level one emergency alerts, which just is the again
level one down at the bottom, but indicated it's concerned
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about maintaining adequate power reserves. They've done nine in five weeks.
Last summer, the entire summer they did one. This is
obviously the peak for power consumption when it comes to
United States suppliers electricity, and unsurprisingly the warning came last
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year when we saw a heat wave in June and
that cause some issues and that everybody's running the air conditioners,
at least those who have them, so that became an issue.
But not all of the alerts come during periods of
high temperature too. Earlier this month attributed to unplanned power outages,
and they say that they are operating smoothly. Again, it's
just a level one alert on that power grid back ease.
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But it is an indication that we could start to
see more and more of these power generation issues because
of AI, and if Wyoming is any indicator, the huge
AI data centers that are going up around the country
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may be the ones that probably are going to have
the highest strain on our electricity or our electricity generation.
Open AI recently activated the first phase of a data
center enabling Texas and said that Texas generates roughly and
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depending on how account about a gigawat of energy and
represents the largest data center that they can think of
in the world. They've also committed to developing an additional
four and a half gigawatts of data center capacity through
an agreement with Oracle. So they are going to be
driving what is going to be the next big technology
leap when it comes to utilities in the United States. Okay,
(15:22):
so you want bad news or good news when it
comes to AI. Let's start with the bad news. We'll
end with the good news. The other bad news about
artificial intelligence is that it might be wiping out not
just jobs, but specific high paying white collar jobs.
Speaker 5 (15:40):
We'll talk about that we come back.
Speaker 7 (15:42):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (15:48):
The Hall of Fame game tomorrow night means that Shannon's
traveling today with the Chargers. She'll be on the show
tomorrow and then of course a pregame for that Hall
of Fame game between the Chargers and starts at four
o'clock here on KFI. Kickoff is just after five, and
we'll hear from her again as she takes the Red
Eye back to home. And then Friday morning should be
(16:11):
quite an adventure. In a few minutes, we'll talk about
why there is good news about AI.
Speaker 5 (16:17):
We're gonna start with some bad news about AI.
Speaker 1 (16:19):
But before that, how about some sense memories about Grandma
and Grandpa.
Speaker 8 (16:22):
Hey Gary, one of the things that always makes me
think of my grandma's cooking is Thanksgiving corn bread, stuffing, turkey,
fresh bake rolls, all that kind of stuff just makes
me think of both of my grandmothers. I think it's
so important that we continue to make homemade food for
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our kids, because they really are what makes your memories.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
That's very true, hey Gary.
Speaker 2 (16:49):
My Scandinavian grandmother used to specialize in making a form
of Danish pancake called an embleskiverer or an apple skiver. It
was made with with whipped egg whites and flour and buttermilk.
Was this thick, rich but somehow fluffy batter and they
were just they were magical. I remember them to this day.
(17:11):
I used to eat them, you know, a half dozen
at a time. If you go up to Solving and
try one of their breakfast.
Speaker 5 (17:17):
Places, yeah, they've got ables givers.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
I remember most about my grandmother cooking for me is
she used to make new pancakes and a little cast
iron pan and you smelled like sugar and butter and love.
And I haven't had a pancake since she done seventeen
years ago. Wow, that's how. We're from New Orleans, so
(17:42):
you know she knows how she knew how to through that.
Thank you for letting me share.
Speaker 5 (17:46):
Awesome, Thank you for sharing.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
The head of one of the world's most powerful AI
labs has warned that AI could eliminate half of all
entry level white collar jobs.
Speaker 5 (17:59):
With it in the next five years. Half. It's a
guy named.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
Dario Amloday and he was on with Anderson Cooper on
CNN and again, half of all entry level white collar
jobs within the next five years.
Speaker 5 (18:21):
This is how it sounded.
Speaker 12 (18:22):
You said that AI could wipe out half of all
entry level white collar jobs and spike unemployment to ten
to twenty percent. How soon might that happen?
Speaker 11 (18:34):
I really worry particularly at the entry level that the
AI models are, you know, very much at the center
of what an entry level human worker would do, and
so it's hard to estimate, you know, exactly what the
impact would be, and you know that there's always this
question of adaptation, and you know these technology changes that
(18:54):
happened before. But I think what is striking to me
about this AI boom is that it's bigger, and it's
it's broader, and it's moving faster than anything has before,
and so compared to previous technology changes, I'm a little
bit more worried about the labor impact simply because it's
happening so fast that yes, people will adapt, but they
may not adapt fast enough, and so there may be
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an adjustment period.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
All Right, we'll get to the second part of that
here in just a second. But again this is Dario Amoday,
who is the chief of Anthropic He said, AI is
starting to get better than humans at almost all intellectual tasks,
and we are going to have to as a society
collectively grapple with all of this. He said that the
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technology could boost unemployment. The number that Anderson Cooper there
said was as high as twenty percent within about five
years because, for example, the AI that he's been working
on the company Anthropic, can work nearly seven hours a
day and has the skills typically required of entry level
corporate work work, for example, the ability to summarize the document,
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analyze a bunch of sources, put it into some some report,
write computer code at the same standard as a pretty
smart college student.
Speaker 5 (20:12):
That's that's what he says.
Speaker 1 (20:13):
The level of his product is, and he said, we
can see where the trend is going. That's what's driving
some of the concern about AI in the workforce. Regardless
regardless of the industry.
Speaker 12 (20:27):
You are running an incredibly important company in AI.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
Why are you raising the alarm?
Speaker 11 (20:34):
I think the reason I'm raising the alarm is that
I think others, others haven't as much. And you know,
I think someone needs to say it, you know, to
be to be clear. And you know, I recognize it's
always a difficult balance, right, I'm aware of my position
that I'm building this technology while also expressing concerns about it.
Speaker 5 (20:49):
And you know the reason.
Speaker 11 (20:50):
I'm doing both of those things is, you know, one,
I think the benefits are massive, and you know, we
need to find a way to achieve benefits and mitigate
or prevent prevent the harm. And you know, the second
thing I would say is, look, there are, as you mentioned,
six or seven companies in the US building this technology. Right,
if we stop doing it tomorrow, the rest would continue.
If all of us somehow stop doing it tomorrow, then
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China would just beat us. And I don't think China
winning this in this technology is you know, I don't
think that helps anyone or make the situation any better.
Speaker 1 (21:20):
Okay, that's not That doesn't settle your brain at all.
He did a separate interview with Axios and again Dario Amide,
chief executive officer at Anthropic, which is an AI company,
said these changes to the workforce because of AI are
going to happen in a very small amount of time,
and his timeline is as little as a couple of
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years or less. Now that's that means that we're going
to see, in his idea, somewhere between ten and twenty
percent unemployment rate possible because of what AI would be
capable of doing in a couple of years. But he
did say, listen, there's I mean, there's some amount out
of positivity. As an example, he said, it sounds crazy.
(22:05):
People just don't believe it, but in a few years
you could see. And again, this is a guy who
runs a business developing AI, so obviously he's pretty high
on his own product. But he says cancer could be cured,
the economy could grow at ten percent a year, the
budget would be balanced, and then twenty percent of people
(22:28):
don't have jobs. The World Economic Forum survey found that
forty one percent of employers do want to reduce their
workforce because they can turn over a lot of work
to AI. By the year twenty thirty, forty one percent
of employers want to reduce their workforce and replace it
with AI within five years four and a half now,
(22:52):
they said in a statement, advances in AI and renewable
energy are reshaping the market, driving an increase in demand
for many technology or specialist roles, while driving a decline
for others like graphic designers.
Speaker 5 (23:04):
I mean that that I just the idea.
Speaker 1 (23:08):
We could spend all day talking about which industries could
suffer greatly as a result of AI coming in, and
graphic design is one of them. I mean, where to
now you can, instead of sitting down with a graphic designer,
sit down with your keyboard and have an AI chatbot,
(23:31):
large language model, whatever it is, come up with an
advertising campaign for you that you get to tweak and
manipulate until you have it absolutely perfect without ever having
spent a dime on hiring a graphic design kind that
does not sound good. I have good news, though, I
do have good news when it comes to artificial intelligence.
(23:52):
Some of the smartest AI models ever made. I mean
that's not where they're going to stop. They will get smarter,
But some of the smartest AI models ever made just
went to the most prestigious competition for young mathematicians and
they got their asses handed to them. We'll talk about
that when we come back Power to Humanity.
Speaker 7 (24:14):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Tomorrow night is the Hall of Fame game and you'll
hear it live here on KFI. Pregame starts at four,
the kickoff is just after five o'clock. She will be
on the show tomorrow, so we'll hear her coming on
at nine o'clock getting ready for the big game to
kick off the NFL preseason with tomorrow night's game. We were
talking earlier, specifically about what kind of memories you have,
(24:46):
you and your siblings. Whatever it is about grandma and
grandpa cooking something that I think a lot of people
have rattling around on the back of their brains.
Speaker 10 (24:55):
Hey, Gary, Ukrainian grandma used to make scrambled eggs with
pooled pork, and you can believe that that polled pork
was super fresh. Well, she had pigs and the barn
full of them, and also varanki which you Americans call kirogi,
(25:16):
with freshly freshly gathered cherries from the trees in her garden.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Thank you love the accent, by the way, Hey, Gary,
Brian and Coronayrian.
Speaker 13 (25:27):
I come from a big Italian family and my grandmother,
may God rest her soul, used to make lasagna from
scratch and it was the most amazing tasting I've never felt.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I've never tasted it since she passed.
Speaker 13 (25:41):
I've never been able. Nobody's been able to duplicate it,
but it was amazing her lasagna. She made the noodles
from scratch, She made the sauce from scratch, fresh tomatoes.
Everything she did from scratch, and I will never forget
her lasagna.
Speaker 5 (25:52):
That's funny. I didn't have.
Speaker 1 (25:54):
I mean, my grandparents were from the Midwest and among
other things, and down here in California, so there were
not a lot of ethnic dishes that we had, and
lasagna for me was always purchased in a tin and
never homemade, never homemade. So those few times and I
did eat homemade lasagna, it was world changing that it
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could taste as good as it did. We're talking about
artificial intelligence and among other things, the amount of energy
that it takes for these AI data centers to operate,
and how it's going to be a strain on the grid.
Last segment, I told you about one CEO of Anthropic
AI is saying that the AI bots could replace workers
(26:40):
in lower entry level white collar jobs to the point
where we could see the unemployment rate spike over ten
percent sometime the next few years.
Speaker 5 (26:49):
Well, I do have some good news. I do have
good news.
Speaker 1 (26:53):
Few every year, I should say, a few hundred high
school students from all over the planet gather at something
called the International Mathematical OLYMPIAD, Right, sounds exciting, not really,
But this year they were joined by another competitor, shall
we call it. They were joined by Google, Deep Mind
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and some other companies that deal with artificial intelligence, and
they all came to this International Mathematical Olympiad because they
believe it's one of the ultimate tests of reasoning and
logic and creativity. This is a grueling test. The International
Mathematical Olympiads held over two days. It gives students three
(27:39):
increasingly difficult problems a day, but it also gives them
more than four hours to solve them. And the questions
can be everything from algebra to geometry, to number theory
to come by natorics. Never heard of it, and if
you know, if you've heard of it, then you're one
of the smarter people in the room. You can forget
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about answering it. If you are not a massive math whiz.
Just trying to understand the questions is sometimes a struggle,
and the problems, they say are both complex and unconventional,
and it has become what they describe as a benchmark
for testing AI or measuring AI progress is a better
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way to say it. From one year to the next.
And now that we've seen AI develop so much quicker
over the last year two years compared to five years ago.
The leading research labs say that one day they'll be
powerful enough to meet the standard for an International Mathematical
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Olympiad gold medal. Which it is funny because the Wall
Street Journal describes the gold medal in the IMO as
sort of the AI equivalent to a four minute mile.
The unthinkable occurred last month when Google Deep Mind earned
a gold medal score at the International Mathematical Olympiad by
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solving five of those six six problems. In another twist,
Open AI claimed it got a gold medal. It didn't
wasn't actually there at the Olympiad, but they claimed a
gold medal because they described their feats as giant leaves
toward the future, even if they're not there yet. The
most the most remarkable part of the event is that
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twenty six of these high school students from around the
world got higher scores on the International Mathematical Olympiad test
than any of the AI systems. Four stars on the
US team, including a kid from California, Tiger Jang. Alexander Wong,
brought his third straight gold back to New Jersey he's
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one of the most decorated young mathematicians ever and he's
currently still in high school.
Speaker 5 (29:57):
He's a senior.
Speaker 1 (29:59):
He could go for another gold at the International Mathematical
Olympiad next year. Until recently, what happened would probably be
a red flag. I mean, if we told you that
five years ago there was a computer who was able
to completely understand and solve these very very complex, logical,
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mathematical strange questions, that might cause First it might cause alarm.
Now it doesn't cause alarm because we're so used to
some of the things that AI has been able to
do that it's not as surprising. Should be should be surprising,
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don't don't fall asleep on AI. But it's not as surprising.
AI models are trained on all kinds of information. So
if there is any chance that that thing or that
math problem existed before, the chance is it's going to
be able to figure out how to do it again.
But they struggle with the problem that they've never seen before.
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That's one of the drawbacks of the way that AI
develops now is it can only rely on for the
most part, it can only rely on things in the past,
information from the past. That's why some of the current
large language models. If you ask it questions about current events,
it'll tell you I'm not really caught up on that yet.
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Most of my information learning stopped in December or two
weeks ago, or however it keeps up. But now they're
saying that this is going to be one of the
issues at AI is going to teach itself is how
to stay on top of the terabytes and terabytes and
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terabytes of information that are developed every single day.
Speaker 5 (31:50):
But again, the.
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Good news is there were some AI models that took
part in the International Mathematical Olympiad, but there were at
least twenty six students who scored better than all of
those and open AI models, I should say AI models
open AIS a specific brand, So that's goodness. We need
to cordon off those twenty six kids. We need to
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reproduce their genes and inject them into everybody's heads so
we can continue to beat AI up. Next all of
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