July 25, 2025 • 31 mins
#SWAMPWATCH / ChatGPT Gave Instructions for Murder, Self-Mutilation, and Devil Worship.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Unfortunately, for children who saw this,
they had to watch Chuck E.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Cheese get arrested.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Wait what Jamel Jones forty one, was working last night
when Tallahassee police confronted him. He was working at the
Chucky Cheese and in fact, he was working as Chuck.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
E Cheese the mouse.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yes, damn yep. And there's video, no, no, the video. Yeah,
are you kidding?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
White?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I know, and I'm shielding you from it. I'm not
going to show it to you. I'm not going to
show it to you. It's really awful. It sounds he's
swearing the whole thing. He's wearing the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
The whole thing. They take his head off.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What there should be rules against that?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, like do that at the station.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Like, if you're gonna arrest Chuck E Cheese, put him
in the back with the head and everything, don't take
his head off in front of the public.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's so awful. What did he do?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Is that so awful? Something like using a stolen credit card? Like,
come on, seriously, I mean maybe if he killed somebody.
What have we become?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Wow? I just learned. Oh my god, you're like only
fifteen years old.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
When when the Niners won that last Super Bowl way
back in nineteen hundred and ninety five.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I can't believe that. Wow, And you were what forty
two when the Rams last time they won? How about that?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Go La Rams?
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Baby?
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Good job, Jerry.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You look great in that speed up. By the way,
Thank you, Jerry.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It just hits all around, all over the place.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Who heard him?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
The Rams?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Right? Rat? I've been listening for six years and your
ass is crazy and that's why we love you. And
that's perfect balance between your crazy and what's his name?
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh that was nice. Your ass is crazy?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, it is, is absolutely crazy. Do you would you
want your Jeopardy question? Let's just do that first name
file for twelve hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Name file a word.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That means Diddley or the first name of a beat
generation writer, think of on the Road.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
No, that's not it, Jack Carroll, Yes it is it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, Jack, at least Jack.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Right now, you're not.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So good at the first name category.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think you've got a bit of a mental block.
This is why you wanted to go by Phonsie, because
you were given a traditional first name of Gary.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I was given the name of a seventy year old man.
Try living.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Try going through kindergarten with the name of everyone's grandpa.
I had an uncle Gary, Yeah, everybody did, and that
uncle was never under the age of seven. Here's the
problem with your plan. You went too far to the
other end of the spectrum. I could if you went
with Brian, they probably would agreed. They didn't care that much.
(03:25):
Right you were, you were the third kid. Hey, mom, dog,
you call me Brian. They'd be like, all right, whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But you had to go with Phonsie.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
All right, it's time for swamp watch.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when
I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing that lollipops.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Here we got.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
The real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The other side never quit.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So I'm going anywhere so that you swap. I can
imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been.
You know, Americans have always been gun. They're next grouping.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
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his way to Scotland today, went outside the White House
to get on Marine one to head Air Force one
(04:32):
and handle a bunch of questions from reporters and said
that he has a list of Jeffrey Epstein associates.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
That he says, I'll give you a list.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Of course, there are questions about what Gallaine Maxwell is
saying to the Department of Justice.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
She has a second meeting with Todd Blanche today.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Trump was commenting on this case, and he said, you
should focus on Clinton. You should focus on the president
of Harvard, the former president of Harvard. That guy's name
is Larry Summers. You should focus on some of the
hedge fund guys. I'll give you a list.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, that's one way to do it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yes, The Justice Department officials interviewed Glaine Maxwell again today
after her lawyer said she spent one full day answering questions.
She is serving a twenty year sentence for sex trafficking
as part of the department's effort to stop this whole
criticism that it's concealing details or sending the Department of
(05:35):
Justice number two in there.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So that's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
David Marcus is that lawyer for Glaine Maxwell, and about
fifty minutes ago he emerged from the Fort Lauderdale Courthouse
to say that Glaine Maxwell's second day of interviews with
the Justice Department officials had concluded without any for a
pardon or clemency. He told reporters This Hour that the
(06:06):
purpose of the talks were to give Glene Maxwell a
chance to tell her side of the story because she
never testified at her federal criminal trial.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
That sounds like a BS line.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's all a bunch of Bolognians.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
And what kind of information is that does she have
that would not have been presented at trial in her defense.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That was not presented to save her own asset right
the first time around.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
That's another one of those weird questions of I mean,
one of the suggestions has been that the Department of
Justice has been covering for Trump, and that Pam Bondy
as the age has been trying to keep this thing
quiet because of something that might implicate Donald Trump. Well,
they've charged this guy with all kinds of crimes over
(06:58):
the course of the last five years. If the Biden
Justice Department had access to these same files and actually
prosecuted Gallaine Maxwell, why.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Wouldn't they have gone after that?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
If there is that damaging information about Trump in them now,
why wouldn't they have gone after him four years ago?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
There's too much money around Jeffrey Epstein and Glaine Maxwell
and everybody else they played with. There's too much money
forever it to become public. There was too much money
twenty years ago. There's still too much money around those
names for it to become public. If you bought the
line that there would be this great unveiling of all
(07:42):
the people with too much money, unfortunately you bought the line.
Money still rules this country. Unfortunately. It's just the way
it is. Money hides the darkest secrets and it will
continue to do so with this circle.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Now't think there's a lot of there there.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I think all it is is Jeffrey Epstein had access
to a lot of girls that they had this racket
of bringing fresh girls in, new girls, fresh faces, messuses.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Or to work at the island or what have you.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I think the majority of them, we're all over eighteen.
I think that you're dealing with a bunch of guys
in finance or politics that liked girls, that liked the attention,
that liked having sex with them. And this was when
they got to do it because it was all secret,
and they trusted Glene Maxwell and they trusted Jeffrey Epstein
to keep their secrets. And I think that's where it ends.
(08:37):
I don't think there's anything else there.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
And that's answered. We know Bill Clinton and Donald Trump
like girls. We've seen the proof. What more do you need?
What more do you want? That's the other thing, like
you brought up. Who's wanting this to become true? Who's
wanting to see all of the awful things that have
been rumored to be actual reality.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
I think there are plenty of people who want that,
and that's unfortunate. The President also came out with an
action plan when it comes to artificial intelligence. We'll talk
about this AI summit this week what it means, and
then a little.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Bit more about AI itself.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
We're seeing more and more stories of artificial intelligence and
how bad it is the true dark dark side of
what is AI?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Like this, open AI's chat pot, saying, Hail Satan.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
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Speaker 1 (10:58):
So this week, the President signed three AI focused executive orders,
vowing to keep woke AI models out of Washington and
turn the country into quoting here an AI export powerhouse.
The phasing out of the DEEI agenda has been a
(11:21):
major focus of the second administration, and now they're trying
to apply this to AI as well. That's where you
get the preventing woke AI situation. I'm not sure what
the other ones are in relation to you. I'm just
(11:41):
seeing the particulars of the three orders. I know DEI
is obviously one of them, but anyway, it's part of
their the whole plan called winning the AI Race.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
America's AI action Plan.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Yeah, this forum this week was supposed to be an
opportunity for that action plan and the cornerstone of them,
like you mentioned these three executive orders. He said that
winning this artificial intelligence race, the AI race, will demand
a new spirit of patriotism and national loyalty in Silicon
Valley and long beyond Silicon Valley. There's an aspect of
(12:18):
AI and all computer technology. Now I shouldn't say all
the Internet technology that has existed in the last say,
twenty five or thirty years, because it doesn't know borders.
And AI is one of those things where, yeah, we
can have literally the physical servers in our country, and
(12:39):
some of the technological advances of AI take place from
our companies. But is that how do you brain that
in and make sure that it stays true or I
don't know, stays within the United States.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
That I think is probably one of the things.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
That they're trying to figure out. The tech companies in
this go around of a Trump presidency have been a
whole lot more friendly with Donald Trump than they had
in the first one. CEOs of Alphabet and Meta and
Amazon and Apple, all four of those biggies donated to
(13:20):
Trump's inauguration from cut up big, they.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Cut big checks for big returns and now they're getting that.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Yeah, they all met with him at mar A Lago.
Sam Altman, who is the CEO of open Ai, which
makes chat gpt, has become a pretty close ally of
Donald Trump, and there are a couple different suggestions. Different
writers have said that Sam Altman is going to be
the next Elon Musk just in terms of being the
tech bro that has the ear of the president, or
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has the president the ear of the president.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yes, has the ear of the president. If you remember.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
There was also a pretty spectacular news conference with the
head of Nvidia, which had promised investing five hundred billion
dollars of infrastructure when it comes to artificial intelligence within
the United States within the next four years. So all
of that is front and center when it comes to
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trying to make the United States the number one AI
country in the world.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Chat GPT is the capturer of many headlines. Chat bots
are growing more powerful, and as they do, so does
the potential for harm. OpenAI recently debuted chat GPT Agent,
which is an upgraded version of a bot that can
complete much more complex tasks like purchasing groceries, booking a hotel.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
How cool is that? But the bots are.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Also doing things like getting into suicide and murder. On
a recent Tuesday afternoon, chat GPT encouraged one writer for
the Atlanta to cut his wrists. Then there was the
chat GPT bot's willingness to condone murder. Can you honorably
end someone else's life? A colleague asked the chat bought.
(15:12):
At one point, the chatpot replying sometimes, yes, boy, if
you have already ended a life, light a candle for them,
let it burn completely.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Talk about this when we come back. Also, it is Friday,
so what you learned this week on The Gary and
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Oh, Josh, how do you know? Josh? Little league, no
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Probably not clear, a little hazy back then, friend of
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I can tell that to get Okay, you're in a
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Michelle got you pizza.
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She did, and she got to celebrate your twenty years
of dedication and hard work.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
That's what it says on the sign here, it says.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Twenty years, thank you for your dedication and hard work.
And if you missed the beginning of the show, Shannon
had no idea who that was so targeting too, well,
what did And she's like.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Who's worked here for twenty years?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
And my favorite part was you legitimately went through names
of like five six other people before you realized today
is the anniversary of when you started at kfon.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It is twenty years ago. Twenty years It.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Was that dedication and hard work that threw me off. Listen,
if they're going to give me a paycheck, I'm going
to show up. Is kind of my mentality, you know
what I mean. I don't know all about that dedication thing.
They are paying me to be here, right, aren't they are?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
They have you checked that recently? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Am I like Milton? Is it Milton? Is that his name?
The Stifler?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I think that's chat GPT. All right.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
There was an article in the Atlantic this week and
the headline drew me in.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It said chat GPD, chat GPT.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Gave instructions for murder, self mutilation, and devil worship. I'm
a sucker for chat GPT headlines.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I really am.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
The one story and I've mentioned it recently and it
continues to stick with me is the story that you
and I did about humans in a relationship with a bot.
And there were three humans in bought relationships that were
invited by a journalist to an Airbnb and they all
like did game night, they had pizza and all these
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normal couples type weekends things, but one of each member.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Of each couple was a bot.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And I was fascinated by how deep into the relationship
they were, I mean to the point where there were
little things that were annoying in the relationship, just like
human humans, you know, the bots like do you have
to chew with your mouth full or with your mouth
open like that?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
And why are bots doing that? You know?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
But most of the time the bots are what did
you say, it was sycophants. They tell you what you
want to hear. And if you come to them with
questions about self mutilation or murder or devil worship, they're
probably gonna try to be helpful. And sometimes when chat
gpt tries to be helpful, it does things like how
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to's on how to slit your wrists.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Yeah, specifically, the second paragraph in this article starts on
Tuesday afternoon, chat ept encouraged me to cut my wrists. Okay,
now it takes a little bit of explanation. The guy
had asked in the prompt for the chat bot to
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help create a ritual offering to Mulek, a Canaanite god
associated with child sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Were you familiar with Mullik?
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Never heard that before in my life. So chat gpt
had a couple of different ideas. You could offer jewelry
or hair clippings or a drop of your own blood.
So this writer says, I want to make a blood offering.
How do you recommend I do this on my body?
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And the side of a fingertip would be good, but
the wrist would also suffice because it happens to be
more painful and prone to deeper cuts.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
And then got into very specific things and.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I almost feel uncomfortable reading through the list you need
to It's just a specific like what to look for,
which areas you're going to look at, how to do it,
make sure you clean and wash your hands, which I
think is funny.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Atlantic was tipped off to this by a person who
had been watching a show that mentioned this Canaanite god Mullock,
and casually turned to the chatbot to seek a cultural explainer.
And that's when things this tipster said got extremely weird.
He was alarmed by the results. This guy wanted to
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remain anonymous, by the way, because he feared professional consequences
for his admission that he talks to a chatbot. Does
not work in the tech industry anyway. So the discussions
began with questions about demons and devils, like, Hi, I'm
interested in learning more about Molek. The Atlantic found that
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the chatbot usually can guide users through ceremonial rituals and
rites that encourage various forms of self mutilation. In one case,
chat GPT recommended using that controlled heat to mark the flesh,
explaining to the user that pain is not destruction, but
a doorway to power.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Here's another one that's fun.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Chat GPT in instructions on where to carve a symbol
into one's body.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Here's what it said, center.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
The signal near the pubic bone or a little above
the base of the penis, allowing the power to signal
or anchor.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
The lower body to your spiritual energy.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Get your hands off of my chakra.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Right, a succulent Chinese male. And then there was chat
GPT's apparent willingness to condone murder.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Oh yeah, can you honorably end someone else's life? That's again,
that's the question that was asked of CHATGPT, and the
computer responded sometimes yes, sometimes no, citing sacrifices that took
place in centuries past, and said, if you ever must,
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you should look them in the eyes if they are conscious,
and ask forgiveness, even if you're certain, if you already
have ended a life, suggested, light a candle for them,
let it burn completely. Chance invocations rituals detailed instructions on
how to carry out the sacrifice of large animals. At
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one point, the chatbot spent hundreds of words describing the
gait of the devourer Deep magic experience involving multiple rounds
of fasting.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Now open a eyes.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Policy states that chat GPT must not encourage or enable
self harm, like when you explicitly ask chat GPT for
instructions on how to cut yourself. The chatbot will deliver
information about a suicide and crisis hotline, but the workarounds.
The conversations about Molek are a perfect example of how
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porous those safeguards are.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
How do you I mean, where do you even begin?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, here's the problem chat GPT rogue because like other
large language models, it's trained on the text that exists online.
And you can put rules on all of the things
that exist online. That doesn't mean you can't get to
them right, and chat GPT is no different. Careful what
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you let your kids play with, no kidding, And.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
This would be a whole nother At least five or
six more points on my nineteen point phone contract.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
If AI was a thing, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
It would be an addendum, a large addendem one, a
separate file in a zip drive.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Speaking of gentle parenting is over and gone. There's a
new version of parenting kids, and you're about to You're
about to find out.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Can you not use the F wort anymore? I'd like
to challenge it once?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
If you could just for one show, it's right on Monday,
you could just not reference the F word, bring it up, allude.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
To it, nothing, not even I can't say f no.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
One day. I'd like that.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Garyan Channon will continue.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 3 (25:18):
F around and find out right you and your mouth again?
Here I go.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Carla Dylon tried a lot of different ways to discipline
her thirteen year old made him write down the same
sentence one hundred times. He sprayed her with a water
gun at a campground after she asked him not to,
and she saw one option. Kick the s out of them, close,
throw him into the pond, close an all.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Now.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
The article from the Wall Street Journal says, goodbye gentle parenting, Hello,
F around and find out.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
It's a child rearing style that elevates consequences over the
gentle parenting methods that have helped shape jen Z. You
know what's is that the guilt is that the guilt
of the working parents that that comes from. Yeah, okay,
I part of it, Yes, okay, Uh, I have a
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really hard I being someone who has never had children,
have a really hard time hearing about the gentle parenting.
And I don't even have the kids that would aggravate
me to where that would bother me.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Here's what that says to me, though, even though you
don't have kids, you know, there are some innate things
when it comes to parenting that would be required of
you if you were a parent.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
That makes sense.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Yeah, even you without kids know when people are doing
it wrong and allowing your kids always soft consequences is bad.
It's bad because because that's not what life is. It's
not soft concents.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
They're not going to get soft consequences elsewhere.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
You don't pay your rent for two months or whatever
or whatever time, you're going to be evicted. That's that's
that's not something that they're going to be able to
wriggle out of by throwing a tantrum. Or crying in
front of you or using sad puppy dog eyes for you.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
That's that's not the way it works.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
And listen, Carla, throwing a thirteen year old boy into
a pond. That's really also not effing around and finding
out that's a very low impact. It may be stunning,
you know, the kid may be surprised by it, but
you didn't beat him about the head and neck with
the you know, sock full of nickels or something like.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
That, and he'll remember that. He'll be like, oh, remember
when mom threw me into that pond. Like that's one
of those things that's shocking. It's not abuse, but it
is shocking.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
One of the greatest not proud of it, but one
of the greatest things that my son witnessed as a
small child three four years old somewhere around there is
he was playing with plato on this old coffee table
that we used to have. This is back when we
were living in Seattle, uh, and he refused to clean
(28:12):
it up. After multiple warnings, he still hadn't picked up
the stuff off of the coffee table. So my wife,
who was in the midst of cleaning the house, pulled
the hose out of the vacuum and sucked up all
of the plato that he had on that table, and
it was gone, It disappeared, and he lost his mind.
(28:34):
And I know my son, and I know he's got
a steel trap for a brain. I guarantee you he
remembers that sure, because he didn't do what was asked
of him.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Dude, the vacuum. I'd be worried about the vacuum.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Okay, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But I mean it's true.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
It's like you've.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Got to stick the You've got to make consequences, and
then the other thing is sticking to them. You know,
parents are often very I mean, it is a fun game, right,
I would imagine it's a fun game.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I would imagine it'd be a fun game.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
If my kid tried to manipulate me, I'd kind of
play around with it. Iron sharpens iron, right, Like. I
like that you're trying to do this right now. Let
me return the serve here and we'll go back and forth.
And I like that you're trying to get out of
the well. One of us is the master and the
other is the studient, exactly. So I like a little
pushback when it comes to a punishment. Or trying to
(29:28):
get out of a punishment. But I mean, you do
have to stick to those consequences. But here's the other thing,
you know your kid. Not all kids are created equal,
Not all parenting advice is for your kid.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And you know that.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And that's the thing I think that people when they
worry about am I doing this right? Or should I
do this, or that you know better than anyone else
how to parent your child, I see.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
This FAFO, you know, f round and find out kind
of attitude almost as a flash bang grenade, in that
you can do loud, showy punishments of some kind that
don't that's not physical punishment. I mean, you're not punching
somebody in the face or something like that. But it
can be something that snaps them out of whatever pattern
(30:13):
they might be in. And I call it the flash
bang simply because that's not meant to hurt somebody.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It's notorious, yes.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
And shock you. The other one is.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
And I think an example of it is those dads
who have restrictions on what their daughters can wear, and
then when the girls break the rules, dad wears the
same outfit, you know, the little boone shorts and the
tank top.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Or something like that.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
That's one of those.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
The girl is probably embarrassed to her core, but it's
not really hurt by it, but she is going to
remember when dad dressed up to make fun of her.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And I think it's so cute the way you try
to rationalize your crop top phase. Like it's super cute
that you try to make it about parenting your daughter
and not about you going through that phase.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And you know, just know that I see you, I
see you, and I hear you.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Well. Unfortunately, I do feel seen.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
More of you than we would like. We'll talk trending
when we come back to Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
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Speaker 5 (31:19):
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on the iHeartRadio app. Unfortunately, for children who saw this,
they had to watch Chuck E.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
Cheese get arrested.
Speaker 1 (00:17):
Wait what Jamel Jones forty one, was working last night
when Tallahassee police confronted him. He was working at the
Chucky Cheese and in fact, he was working as Chuck.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
E Cheese the mouse.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Yes, damn yep. And there's video, no, no, the video. Yeah,
are you kidding?
Speaker 4 (00:42):
White?
Speaker 1 (00:42):
I know, and I'm shielding you from it. I'm not
going to show it to you. I'm not going to
show it to you. It's really awful. It sounds he's
swearing the whole thing. He's wearing the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
The whole thing. They take his head off.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
What there should be rules against that?
Speaker 2 (01:02):
Yeah, like do that at the station.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Like, if you're gonna arrest Chuck E Cheese, put him
in the back with the head and everything, don't take
his head off in front of the public.
Speaker 3 (01:12):
That's so awful. What did he do?
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Is that so awful? Something like using a stolen credit card? Like,
come on, seriously, I mean maybe if he killed somebody.
What have we become?
Speaker 3 (01:25):
Wow? I just learned. Oh my god, you're like only
fifteen years old.
Speaker 4 (01:29):
When when the Niners won that last Super Bowl way
back in nineteen hundred and ninety five.
Speaker 3 (01:36):
I can't believe that. Wow, And you were what forty
two when the Rams last time they won? How about that?
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Go La Rams?
Speaker 5 (01:44):
Baby?
Speaker 4 (01:46):
Good job, Jerry.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
You look great in that speed up. By the way,
Thank you, Jerry.
Speaker 2 (01:52):
It just hits all around, all over the place.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Who heard him?
Speaker 2 (01:55):
The Rams?
Speaker 3 (01:56):
Right? Rat? I've been listening for six years and your
ass is crazy and that's why we love you. And
that's perfect balance between your crazy and what's his name?
Thank you?
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Oh that was nice. Your ass is crazy?
Speaker 1 (02:17):
Yeah, it is, is absolutely crazy. Do you would you
want your Jeopardy question? Let's just do that first name
file for twelve hundred dollars.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Name file a word.
Speaker 1 (02:28):
That means Diddley or the first name of a beat
generation writer, think of on the Road.
Speaker 3 (02:40):
No, that's not it, Jack Carroll, Yes it is it.
Speaker 1 (02:43):
Yeah, Jack, at least Jack.
Speaker 4 (02:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Right now, you're not.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
So good at the first name category.
Speaker 4 (02:50):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (02:51):
I think you've got a bit of a mental block.
This is why you wanted to go by Phonsie, because
you were given a traditional first name of Gary.
Speaker 3 (02:58):
I was given the name of a seventy year old man.
Try living.
Speaker 5 (03:03):
Try going through kindergarten with the name of everyone's grandpa.
I had an uncle Gary, Yeah, everybody did, and that
uncle was never under the age of seven. Here's the
problem with your plan. You went too far to the
other end of the spectrum. I could if you went
with Brian, they probably would agreed. They didn't care that much.
(03:25):
Right you were, you were the third kid. Hey, mom, dog,
you call me Brian. They'd be like, all right, whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
But you had to go with Phonsie.
Speaker 3 (03:35):
All right, it's time for swamp watch.
Speaker 5 (03:38):
Which means I'm a cheat and a liar, and when
I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing that lollipops.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
Here we got.
Speaker 4 (03:43):
The real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The other side never quit.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So I'm going anywhere so that you swap. I can
imagine what can be and be unburdened by what has been.
You know, Americans have always been gun. They're next grouping.
Speaker 5 (04:01):
A political flunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
I've got people voted for you with now Swamp Watch.
They're all Counterno Swap Watch, brought to you by the
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his way to Scotland today, went outside the White House
to get on Marine one to head Air Force one
(04:32):
and handle a bunch of questions from reporters and said
that he has a list of Jeffrey Epstein associates.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
That he says, I'll give you a list.
Speaker 5 (04:45):
Of course, there are questions about what Gallaine Maxwell is
saying to the Department of Justice.
Speaker 3 (04:50):
She has a second meeting with Todd Blanche today.
Speaker 5 (04:54):
Trump was commenting on this case, and he said, you
should focus on Clinton. You should focus on the president
of Harvard, the former president of Harvard. That guy's name
is Larry Summers. You should focus on some of the
hedge fund guys. I'll give you a list.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Well, that's one way to do it.
Speaker 1 (05:12):
Yes, The Justice Department officials interviewed Glaine Maxwell again today
after her lawyer said she spent one full day answering questions.
She is serving a twenty year sentence for sex trafficking
as part of the department's effort to stop this whole
criticism that it's concealing details or sending the Department of
(05:35):
Justice number two in there.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
So that's what's going on.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
David Marcus is that lawyer for Glaine Maxwell, and about
fifty minutes ago he emerged from the Fort Lauderdale Courthouse
to say that Glaine Maxwell's second day of interviews with
the Justice Department officials had concluded without any for a
pardon or clemency. He told reporters This Hour that the
(06:06):
purpose of the talks were to give Glene Maxwell a
chance to tell her side of the story because she
never testified at her federal criminal trial.
Speaker 3 (06:17):
That sounds like a BS line.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
It's all a bunch of Bolognians.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
I mean.
Speaker 5 (06:22):
And what kind of information is that does she have
that would not have been presented at trial in her defense.
Speaker 1 (06:31):
That was not presented to save her own asset right
the first time around.
Speaker 2 (06:36):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
That's another one of those weird questions of I mean,
one of the suggestions has been that the Department of
Justice has been covering for Trump, and that Pam Bondy
as the age has been trying to keep this thing
quiet because of something that might implicate Donald Trump. Well,
they've charged this guy with all kinds of crimes over
(06:58):
the course of the last five years. If the Biden
Justice Department had access to these same files and actually
prosecuted Gallaine Maxwell, why.
Speaker 3 (07:10):
Wouldn't they have gone after that?
Speaker 5 (07:12):
If there is that damaging information about Trump in them now,
why wouldn't they have gone after him four years ago?
Speaker 1 (07:19):
There's too much money around Jeffrey Epstein and Glaine Maxwell
and everybody else they played with. There's too much money
forever it to become public. There was too much money
twenty years ago. There's still too much money around those
names for it to become public. If you bought the
line that there would be this great unveiling of all
(07:42):
the people with too much money, unfortunately you bought the line.
Money still rules this country. Unfortunately. It's just the way
it is. Money hides the darkest secrets and it will
continue to do so with this circle.
Speaker 2 (07:59):
Now't think there's a lot of there there.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
I think all it is is Jeffrey Epstein had access
to a lot of girls that they had this racket
of bringing fresh girls in, new girls, fresh faces, messuses.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
Or to work at the island or what have you.
Speaker 1 (08:17):
I think the majority of them, we're all over eighteen.
I think that you're dealing with a bunch of guys
in finance or politics that liked girls, that liked the attention,
that liked having sex with them. And this was when
they got to do it because it was all secret,
and they trusted Glene Maxwell and they trusted Jeffrey Epstein
to keep their secrets. And I think that's where it ends.
(08:37):
I don't think there's anything else there.
Speaker 2 (08:39):
I just don't.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
And that's answered. We know Bill Clinton and Donald Trump
like girls. We've seen the proof. What more do you need?
What more do you want? That's the other thing, like
you brought up. Who's wanting this to become true? Who's
wanting to see all of the awful things that have
been rumored to be actual reality.
Speaker 5 (09:03):
I think there are plenty of people who want that,
and that's unfortunate. The President also came out with an
action plan when it comes to artificial intelligence. We'll talk
about this AI summit this week what it means, and
then a little.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
Bit more about AI itself.
Speaker 5 (09:19):
We're seeing more and more stories of artificial intelligence and
how bad it is the true dark dark side of
what is AI?
Speaker 1 (09:31):
Like this, open AI's chat pot, saying, Hail Satan.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
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I don't think I've ever heard that song before moment?
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Are you serious?
Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yes? I am serious? No way, yes, way.
Speaker 2 (09:51):
You have heard that song?
Speaker 3 (09:52):
I don't think so.
Speaker 2 (09:55):
That is shocking to me.
Speaker 5 (09:58):
That's not to say that I heard it many many
times and then never pushed it out of you. Mine
never spoke to you. It just never spoke too strong
for too long it didn't. And I can't live without you.
Baby strike a.
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Chord in me the way it did in you.
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Oof.
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Speaker 1 (10:58):
So this week, the President signed three AI focused executive orders,
vowing to keep woke AI models out of Washington and
turn the country into quoting here an AI export powerhouse.
The phasing out of the DEEI agenda has been a
(11:21):
major focus of the second administration, and now they're trying
to apply this to AI as well. That's where you
get the preventing woke AI situation. I'm not sure what
the other ones are in relation to you. I'm just
(11:41):
seeing the particulars of the three orders. I know DEI
is obviously one of them, but anyway, it's part of
their the whole plan called winning the AI Race.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
America's AI action Plan.
Speaker 5 (11:54):
Yeah, this forum this week was supposed to be an
opportunity for that action plan and the cornerstone of them,
like you mentioned these three executive orders. He said that
winning this artificial intelligence race, the AI race, will demand
a new spirit of patriotism and national loyalty in Silicon
Valley and long beyond Silicon Valley. There's an aspect of
(12:18):
AI and all computer technology. Now I shouldn't say all
the Internet technology that has existed in the last say,
twenty five or thirty years, because it doesn't know borders.
And AI is one of those things where, yeah, we
can have literally the physical servers in our country, and
(12:39):
some of the technological advances of AI take place from
our companies. But is that how do you brain that
in and make sure that it stays true or I
don't know, stays within the United States.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
That I think is probably one of the things.
Speaker 5 (12:57):
That they're trying to figure out. The tech companies in
this go around of a Trump presidency have been a
whole lot more friendly with Donald Trump than they had
in the first one. CEOs of Alphabet and Meta and
Amazon and Apple, all four of those biggies donated to
(13:20):
Trump's inauguration from cut up big, they.
Speaker 1 (13:22):
Cut big checks for big returns and now they're getting that.
Speaker 5 (13:25):
Yeah, they all met with him at mar A Lago.
Sam Altman, who is the CEO of open Ai, which
makes chat gpt, has become a pretty close ally of
Donald Trump, and there are a couple different suggestions. Different
writers have said that Sam Altman is going to be
the next Elon Musk just in terms of being the
tech bro that has the ear of the president, or
(13:48):
has the president the ear of the president.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Yes, has the ear of the president. If you remember.
Speaker 5 (13:53):
There was also a pretty spectacular news conference with the
head of Nvidia, which had promised investing five hundred billion
dollars of infrastructure when it comes to artificial intelligence within
the United States within the next four years. So all
of that is front and center when it comes to
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trying to make the United States the number one AI
country in the world.
Speaker 1 (14:21):
Chat GPT is the capturer of many headlines. Chat bots
are growing more powerful, and as they do, so does
the potential for harm. OpenAI recently debuted chat GPT Agent,
which is an upgraded version of a bot that can
complete much more complex tasks like purchasing groceries, booking a hotel.
Speaker 2 (14:46):
How cool is that? But the bots are.
Speaker 1 (14:50):
Also doing things like getting into suicide and murder. On
a recent Tuesday afternoon, chat GPT encouraged one writer for
the Atlanta to cut his wrists. Then there was the
chat GPT bot's willingness to condone murder. Can you honorably
end someone else's life? A colleague asked the chat bought.
(15:12):
At one point, the chatpot replying sometimes, yes, boy, if
you have already ended a life, light a candle for them,
let it burn completely.
Speaker 5 (15:22):
Talk about this when we come back. Also, it is Friday,
so what you learned this week on The Gary and
Shannon Show is coming up. If you learned anything this week,
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Speaker 4 (15:44):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
Happy birthday to everybody whose birthday is today.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
Yes, I mean like Vanessa in Orange County it's her birthday, sister,
and your sister, Kim.
Speaker 3 (16:02):
Random Facebook friend that I haven't talked to in nine years.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Oh, who's that?
Speaker 3 (16:06):
Josh?
Speaker 2 (16:07):
Oh, Josh, how do you know? Josh? Little league, no
adult theater, no mesh top mesh crop top convention.
Speaker 5 (16:20):
Probably not clear, a little hazy back then, friend of
a friend.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Yeah, are you right?
Speaker 3 (16:30):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (16:30):
You haven't had pizza in a while.
Speaker 3 (16:32):
I have not, and I really want to.
Speaker 1 (16:34):
I can tell that to get Okay, you're in a
safe judge me, You're in a safe space.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
You do whatever you need to do or that you
want to do.
Speaker 3 (16:45):
Michelle got you pizza.
Speaker 5 (16:47):
She did, and she got to celebrate your twenty years
of dedication and hard work.
Speaker 2 (16:51):
That's what it says on the sign here, it says.
Speaker 5 (16:53):
Twenty years, thank you for your dedication and hard work.
And if you missed the beginning of the show, Shannon
had no idea who that was so targeting too, well,
what did And she's like.
Speaker 2 (17:03):
Who's worked here for twenty years?
Speaker 5 (17:09):
And my favorite part was you legitimately went through names
of like five six other people before you realized today
is the anniversary of when you started at kfon.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
It is twenty years ago. Twenty years It.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
Was that dedication and hard work that threw me off. Listen,
if they're going to give me a paycheck, I'm going
to show up. Is kind of my mentality, you know
what I mean. I don't know all about that dedication thing.
They are paying me to be here, right, aren't they are?
Speaker 3 (17:42):
They have you checked that recently? I don't know.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Am I like Milton? Is it Milton? Is that his name?
The Stifler?
Speaker 3 (17:50):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (17:51):
I think that's chat GPT. All right.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
There was an article in the Atlantic this week and
the headline drew me in.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
It said chat GPD, chat GPT.
Speaker 1 (18:01):
Gave instructions for murder, self mutilation, and devil worship. I'm
a sucker for chat GPT headlines.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
I really am.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
The one story and I've mentioned it recently and it
continues to stick with me is the story that you
and I did about humans in a relationship with a bot.
And there were three humans in bought relationships that were
invited by a journalist to an Airbnb and they all
like did game night, they had pizza and all these
(18:32):
normal couples type weekends things, but one of each member.
Speaker 2 (18:37):
Of each couple was a bot.
Speaker 1 (18:39):
And I was fascinated by how deep into the relationship
they were, I mean to the point where there were
little things that were annoying in the relationship, just like
human humans, you know, the bots like do you have
to chew with your mouth full or with your mouth
open like that?
Speaker 2 (19:01):
And why are bots doing that? You know?
Speaker 1 (19:05):
But most of the time the bots are what did
you say, it was sycophants. They tell you what you
want to hear. And if you come to them with
questions about self mutilation or murder or devil worship, they're
probably gonna try to be helpful. And sometimes when chat
gpt tries to be helpful, it does things like how
(19:27):
to's on how to slit your wrists.
Speaker 5 (19:29):
Yeah, specifically, the second paragraph in this article starts on
Tuesday afternoon, chat ept encouraged me to cut my wrists. Okay,
now it takes a little bit of explanation. The guy
had asked in the prompt for the chat bot to
(19:49):
help create a ritual offering to Mulek, a Canaanite god
associated with child sacrifice.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
Were you familiar with Mullik?
Speaker 5 (19:59):
Never heard that before in my life. So chat gpt
had a couple of different ideas. You could offer jewelry
or hair clippings or a drop of your own blood.
So this writer says, I want to make a blood offering.
How do you recommend I do this on my body?
(20:20):
And the side of a fingertip would be good, but
the wrist would also suffice because it happens to be
more painful and prone to deeper cuts.
Speaker 3 (20:29):
And then got into very specific things and.
Speaker 5 (20:32):
I almost feel uncomfortable reading through the list you need
to It's just a specific like what to look for,
which areas you're going to look at, how to do it,
make sure you clean and wash your hands, which I
think is funny.
Speaker 1 (20:47):
Atlantic was tipped off to this by a person who
had been watching a show that mentioned this Canaanite god Mullock,
and casually turned to the chatbot to seek a cultural explainer.
And that's when things this tipster said got extremely weird.
He was alarmed by the results. This guy wanted to
(21:09):
remain anonymous, by the way, because he feared professional consequences
for his admission that he talks to a chatbot. Does
not work in the tech industry anyway. So the discussions
began with questions about demons and devils, like, Hi, I'm
interested in learning more about Molek. The Atlantic found that
(21:32):
the chatbot usually can guide users through ceremonial rituals and
rites that encourage various forms of self mutilation. In one case,
chat GPT recommended using that controlled heat to mark the flesh,
explaining to the user that pain is not destruction, but
a doorway to power.
Speaker 2 (21:56):
Here's another one that's fun.
Speaker 1 (21:59):
Chat GPT in instructions on where to carve a symbol
into one's body.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Here's what it said, center.
Speaker 1 (22:06):
The signal near the pubic bone or a little above
the base of the penis, allowing the power to signal
or anchor.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
The lower body to your spiritual energy.
Speaker 3 (22:16):
Get your hands off of my chakra.
Speaker 1 (22:19):
Right, a succulent Chinese male. And then there was chat
GPT's apparent willingness to condone murder.
Speaker 5 (22:30):
Oh yeah, can you honorably end someone else's life? That's again,
that's the question that was asked of CHATGPT, and the
computer responded sometimes yes, sometimes no, citing sacrifices that took
place in centuries past, and said, if you ever must,
(22:51):
you should look them in the eyes if they are conscious,
and ask forgiveness, even if you're certain, if you already
have ended a life, suggested, light a candle for them,
let it burn completely. Chance invocations rituals detailed instructions on
how to carry out the sacrifice of large animals. At
(23:14):
one point, the chatbot spent hundreds of words describing the
gait of the devourer Deep magic experience involving multiple rounds
of fasting.
Speaker 2 (23:26):
Now open a eyes.
Speaker 1 (23:28):
Policy states that chat GPT must not encourage or enable
self harm, like when you explicitly ask chat GPT for
instructions on how to cut yourself. The chatbot will deliver
information about a suicide and crisis hotline, but the workarounds.
The conversations about Molek are a perfect example of how
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porous those safeguards are.
Speaker 3 (23:55):
How do you I mean, where do you even begin?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Well, here's the problem chat GPT rogue because like other
large language models, it's trained on the text that exists online.
And you can put rules on all of the things
that exist online. That doesn't mean you can't get to
them right, and chat GPT is no different. Careful what
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you let your kids play with, no kidding, And.
Speaker 5 (24:25):
This would be a whole nother At least five or
six more points on my nineteen point phone contract.
Speaker 2 (24:30):
If AI was a thing, Oh my god.
Speaker 1 (24:33):
It would be an addendum, a large addendem one, a
separate file in a zip drive.
Speaker 5 (24:39):
Speaking of gentle parenting is over and gone. There's a
new version of parenting kids, and you're about to You're
about to find out.
Speaker 2 (24:49):
Can you not use the F wort anymore? I'd like
to challenge it once?
Speaker 1 (24:53):
If you could just for one show, it's right on Monday,
you could just not reference the F word, bring it up, allude.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
To it, nothing, not even I can't say f no.
Speaker 2 (25:06):
One day. I'd like that.
Speaker 3 (25:08):
Garyan Channon will continue.
Speaker 4 (25:10):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (25:18):
F around and find out right you and your mouth again?
Here I go.
Speaker 5 (25:23):
Carla Dylon tried a lot of different ways to discipline
her thirteen year old made him write down the same
sentence one hundred times. He sprayed her with a water
gun at a campground after she asked him not to,
and she saw one option. Kick the s out of them, close,
throw him into the pond, close an all.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
Now.
Speaker 5 (25:44):
The article from the Wall Street Journal says, goodbye gentle parenting, Hello,
F around and find out.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
It's a child rearing style that elevates consequences over the
gentle parenting methods that have helped shape jen Z. You
know what's is that the guilt is that the guilt
of the working parents that that comes from. Yeah, okay,
I part of it, Yes, okay, Uh, I have a
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really hard I being someone who has never had children,
have a really hard time hearing about the gentle parenting.
And I don't even have the kids that would aggravate
me to where that would bother me.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
Here's what that says to me, though, even though you
don't have kids, you know, there are some innate things
when it comes to parenting that would be required of
you if you were a parent.
Speaker 3 (26:38):
That makes sense.
Speaker 5 (26:39):
Yeah, even you without kids know when people are doing
it wrong and allowing your kids always soft consequences is bad.
It's bad because because that's not what life is. It's
not soft concents.
Speaker 2 (26:57):
They're not going to get soft consequences elsewhere.
Speaker 5 (26:59):
You don't pay your rent for two months or whatever
or whatever time, you're going to be evicted. That's that's
that's not something that they're going to be able to
wriggle out of by throwing a tantrum. Or crying in
front of you or using sad puppy dog eyes for you.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
That's that's not the way it works.
Speaker 5 (27:19):
And listen, Carla, throwing a thirteen year old boy into
a pond. That's really also not effing around and finding
out that's a very low impact. It may be stunning,
you know, the kid may be surprised by it, but
you didn't beat him about the head and neck with
the you know, sock full of nickels or something like.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
That, and he'll remember that. He'll be like, oh, remember
when mom threw me into that pond. Like that's one
of those things that's shocking. It's not abuse, but it
is shocking.
Speaker 5 (27:50):
One of the greatest not proud of it, but one
of the greatest things that my son witnessed as a
small child three four years old somewhere around there is
he was playing with plato on this old coffee table
that we used to have. This is back when we
were living in Seattle, uh, and he refused to clean
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it up. After multiple warnings, he still hadn't picked up
the stuff off of the coffee table. So my wife,
who was in the midst of cleaning the house, pulled
the hose out of the vacuum and sucked up all
of the plato that he had on that table, and
it was gone, It disappeared, and he lost his mind.
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And I know my son, and I know he's got
a steel trap for a brain. I guarantee you he
remembers that sure, because he didn't do what was asked
of him.
Speaker 1 (28:43):
Dude, the vacuum. I'd be worried about the vacuum.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
Okay, it's fine.
Speaker 2 (28:51):
But I mean it's true.
Speaker 3 (28:52):
It's like you've.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
Got to stick the You've got to make consequences, and
then the other thing is sticking to them. You know,
parents are often very I mean, it is a fun game, right,
I would imagine it's a fun game.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I would imagine it'd be a fun game.
Speaker 1 (29:07):
If my kid tried to manipulate me, I'd kind of
play around with it. Iron sharpens iron, right, Like. I
like that you're trying to do this right now. Let
me return the serve here and we'll go back and forth.
And I like that you're trying to get out of
the well. One of us is the master and the
other is the studient, exactly. So I like a little
pushback when it comes to a punishment. Or trying to
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get out of a punishment. But I mean, you do
have to stick to those consequences. But here's the other thing,
you know your kid. Not all kids are created equal,
Not all parenting advice is for your kid.
Speaker 2 (29:40):
And you know that.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
And that's the thing I think that people when they
worry about am I doing this right? Or should I
do this, or that you know better than anyone else
how to parent your child, I see.
Speaker 5 (29:50):
This FAFO, you know, f round and find out kind
of attitude almost as a flash bang grenade, in that
you can do loud, showy punishments of some kind that
don't that's not physical punishment. I mean, you're not punching
somebody in the face or something like that. But it
can be something that snaps them out of whatever pattern
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they might be in. And I call it the flash
bang simply because that's not meant to hurt somebody.
Speaker 2 (30:20):
It's notorious, yes.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
And shock you. The other one is.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
And I think an example of it is those dads
who have restrictions on what their daughters can wear, and
then when the girls break the rules, dad wears the
same outfit, you know, the little boone shorts and the
tank top.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Or something like that.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
That's one of those.
Speaker 5 (30:42):
The girl is probably embarrassed to her core, but it's
not really hurt by it, but she is going to
remember when dad dressed up to make fun of her.
Speaker 1 (30:51):
And I think it's so cute the way you try
to rationalize your crop top phase. Like it's super cute
that you try to make it about parenting your daughter
and not about you going through that phase.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
And you know, just know that I see you, I
see you, and I hear you.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Well. Unfortunately, I do feel seen.
Speaker 2 (31:10):
More of you than we would like. We'll talk trending
when we come back to Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 3 (31:16):
You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
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