January 8, 2026 • 32 mins
The show opens with Gary’s dog attempting to predict NFL Wild Card weekend, then quickly shifts to breaking news involving a fatal ICE shooting and the protests that followed.
Gary & Shannon also discuss ongoing NFL coaching firings, Marco Rubio’s viral Dolphins tweet, how perspective shapes public reaction to video, Spencer Pratt running for mayor, and a new trend of young adults returning to cigarettes.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. I was going to ask how
our latest venture is going. We have acquired all thirty
two helmets in the NFL. We did a wild Card
(00:21):
weekend matchup for your dog. You stage this hoping that
maybe we can achieve some sort of fame via your dog.
Maybe he has a nose for prognosticating the outcome of
major sporting events, and we're giving it a spin with
wild Card Weekend. So how did that go? You set
up the helmets? Was it a struggle? Did he what happened?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
He did just fine, and he seemed to really enjoy it.
I'm not going to tell you.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I mean, but this is just like the preview. You
see little helmets on the carpet there, and then he
jumps off the So what do you say, go? I
say release? He's up on a little piece of I
don't know, an autumn.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I guess, uh, huh say lease? And that works? Huh yeah, wow,
that's his You taught him that?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well? I mean it's yeah, do.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You teach all your dogs release?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
This is new for this dog.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, I didn't know how to do it before, and
now I know how to do it. So for example, uh,
there's a close up, so you know, see how and
he goes straight to one of them first.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I see whichever one he did.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Now, did he go back and forth left to right
or did he always go to the right.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
No, he did back and forth.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
And like I said, one of the ways that we
can randomize it is by flipping a coin. So it's
not always the visiting team on the left and the
home team on the right, although that's the way they're
listed when you look at him. I wanted to make
sure that we mixed it up so he didn't always
pick the visiting team.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
If he's right, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
If he goes to the right, right, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
So that's all. So he's got he got six picks tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Will He did go back and forth right and left.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
He did go back and forth right. Interesting, so maybe
there is some I don't know. I didn't say anything
about the teams. I didn't even introduce it.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You didn't talk to him about before he's been born
into a forty nine er family.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Didn't explain that to him. Yeah, didn't explain that to him.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I'm a I'm real worried about my middle nephews. Were
actually life. This is the whole life I told you
about Logan. He's an Eagles fan. He's the outlier of
the family. He just decided that he likes the Eagles,
and he's liked the Eagles for years.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And I have one of those.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
He's a she's a cousin. I keep her at arms.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Sure, it's about twenty now, but my mother was very
upset when my brother got his son an Eagles ornament.
And in her words, now Jalen Hurts is on top
of the goddamn Christmas tree, were my mother's words. This
was before the playoff field was set. And now we've
(02:49):
got the Niners and the Eagles match up this weekend.
And I hope he goes back to college.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I hope he is out of the house.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I mean, she's in the Bay Area up in Fulsome
at my brother's house. But I'd like him further away
from her, because that's like she can get in the
car and drive too Fulsome and take it out on
that kit and hurt him, you know. I mean, she's
a tiny woman, She's one hundred pounds, but she gonna
hurt him with her words. Spider monkey orus, Yes, spider Monkey,
(03:21):
that's funny.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
That's something Andy would say.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Okay, So we have a lot going on today, and
we'll talk a little bit more kind of follow ups
on some of the stuff that we talked about yesterday,
including the post Bonma, what we know about Alan Jackson
and his decision to get away from the Nick Reiner case.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Also, we'll talk about the State of the state.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Gavin Newsom's first presidential speech is today and it's his
final State of the State address that he's once again
doing in front of the state legislature.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So we'll talk about all of that.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Obviously, the big story happened during our show yesterday, the
shooting of a thirty seven year old woman by a
federal immigration agent during an operation in Minneapolis. Protests have
popped up, not just in Minneapolis. There were a handful
of people a few dozen outside the Federal Building downtown
LA yesterday that they also gathered I think it was
(04:19):
in the Placita Olivera in downtown LA last night, and
then this morning they're expected outside the Federal building. A
couple of different organizations say that they're going to be
doing they're going to be doing protests out there. We
talked yesterday about the first videos that we saw of
what happened. Women in an suv parked perpendicular to a
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street in a residential area, and ICE agents had jumped
out of their vehicles to try to get her out
of the way, and they're yelling at her to get
out of the car, stop the car, etc. One agent
goes up to try to either open the door it's locked,
or reach in maybe and open the door, and he
can't do that. She backs up very quickly, takes off
(05:04):
again forward, and an ICE agent that had been standing
in the front of the vehicle or just off of
that front left quarter panel, shot at least three times,
ended up killing her. Everybody's seen the video. If you haven't,
there is a million of them out there. There's from
several different angles. One of them is farther down the street.
(05:26):
And Josh Campbell, former FBI agent, has seen it, he
said a couple of dozen times, looked at it very
specifically and asked, pretty does a good job of coming
up with a succinct question that needs to be answered
about the video?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
The ICE agent who is there. But again they'll come
down to a matter of question, could that agent have
moved out of the way. They're not required to retreat.
There's no duty to retreat on facing someone who may
be potentially violent. Now there's another thing to point out too,
and that's the angle that we see from the bystander,
is that it appears just before the shots are fired
or the front wheels on that vehicle turned to the right.
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That's an indication, obviously to us from that vantage point,
that the driver is about to move out of that
location toward the right. That's why this is such a
powder keg, because there'sessentially two aspects of this. There's the policy,
the law, you know what agents are allowed to do,
and there's an issue of judgment just because you can
do something.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Should you?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Now he does say, and he does say, there is
a there is a middle of murky middle ground where
the vehicle makes contact. In his opinion, he said, the
vehicle made contact with that agent and obviously wasn't enough
to knock him over, but it did make contact with him.
And is it possible that the agent put himself in
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a bad position and then reacted to what potential for
deadly vie.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I don't believe an agent is going to think that
many steps ahead and then create the alibi in real
time of why you.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Shoe, not that he created not that he did it
to create an alibi, but he did it on accident,
like he didn't follow training, which was don't stand in
front of a vehicle like that that's running, that has
the chance to start and potentially knock you out, knock
you over again.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Now did you read or hear that this vehicle was
kind of leading the charge of all the vehicles and
the protests throughout the morning. Yeah, okay, so this vehicle
had been a problem vehicle for the entire assignment of
go Koral, these rioters, slash protesters, whatever they're going to
turn out to be. Yeah, so that yesterday we talked
(07:35):
about it rightly.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
So we said, we don't know the context.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It doesn't look good for the ice officer that fired,
because to his point, just because you can and you're
within the law and within your duty to fire at
that point doesn't mean you should. But we also didn't
know what precipitated this, and now we know that this
vehicle had been a problem, this woman had been a
problem she had not been listening to orders the entire day.
(08:00):
She was an antagonist, it seems, in this entire protest. Also,
the word protest is important. It was not a riot
at this point, right, but it was a protest that
involved cars that can be deadly weapons. There's a lot
that goes on here, and I don't think it's black
and white.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I think there's a lot of gray area.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I think everybody that came out right away has been wrong.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And that includes the president.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
That includes the president, That includes the Secretary of Homeland
Defense or Homeland Security, like.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
It includes all the journalists saying that she's a poet
and a mom get out of here.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I mean, none of that's relevant.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
None of that's relevant.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Fractually correct, sure, but not relevant to what happened in
that moment, in that instant.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
We'll talk.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
There's one guy who I think has had a level
head through this. We'll hear from him when we come back.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Gary and Shannon, that's us.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Black Money is now extended into Thursday. This morning, Mike
McDaniel and the Dolphins has been let go. You gotta
believe this had something to do with the fact that
John Harbaugh was let go after Black Monday. Now people
are going, oh, if Harbaugh's available, then maybe we can
to Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
So we'll see where everyone lands.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
But Marco Rubio has won the social media prize of
the day. Marco Rubio, who has a million jobs.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Right, National Security Advisor, Secretary of State, among others.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Venezuela Hawk su Marco Rubio tweeted.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
In America whisperer.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, I do not normally respond to online rumors, but
field the need to do so at this moment. I
will not be a candidate for the currently vacant head
coach and GM positions with the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Well, you never know what the future may bring.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Right now, my focus must remain on global events and
also the previous precious archives of the United States of America.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Good for him.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, it's funny in the context of what he's going
through right all day every year, little Levity.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I like it, Levity.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
We've been talking about this shooting in Minneapolis. This was
supposed to be, by the way, according to the White House,
the largest operation of ICE agents going in and targeting
immigrant populations and the shooting that took place yesterday Portland
Avenue between East thirty third and thirty fourth if you
(10:21):
know where that is, the central neighborhood right there in Minneapolis.
The context is completely different, but it was within a
mile apparently of where George Floyd was killed. Videos of
this incident again showed two agents approaching a car which
had been stopped sideways in the road for about three minutes,
and the driver was repeatedly waiving other ice vehicles apparently
(10:45):
to pass by her. When two agents exited their vehicle
ordered her to get out of her car. There was
a third agent you can't really see from most of
the videos because they're taken behind the suv. You can't
see him until she begins to accelerate and take off,
and he's the one that fire shots. What's amazing to me,
and I don't know why it amazes me every time
we see something like this. You and I could watch
(11:08):
the same video. You and I could watch the same videos,
I mean, different angles of the exact same incident and
come away with completely different conclusions about what actually happened.
And that's what it appears everyone has done.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
To this day.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's also what lenses you're viewing the video through. Sure,
is it the lens where you want to see somebody
who's protesting ICE run a foul of the law, or
is it something that you're viewing through the lenses of
Ice is evil because the president is evil.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So Chief Brian O'Hara, the police chief there in Minneapolis.
At this point, I'm not even clear which agency is
going to be investigating it, but appears his agency would
have jurisdiction since it happened in the city of Minneapolis,
even if it was a federal agent that was involved
with the shooting.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Do you believe the use.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Of deadly for was warranted?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Well, I think that is a question that ultimately must
be answered through a thorough and complete investigation. And that's
why I think we owe it not just to the
deceased and her family, but also to the larger community
to ensure that number one, we maintained that scene yesterday
(12:23):
so that it could be processed and that we can
allow a full investigation to follow the evidence to all
of its logical conclusion.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Okay, level headed answer, very clear, not drawing conclusions. That
was the exact opposite of what Christy Nolam did yesterday
of what other Department of Homeland Security spokespeople did, of
what the president did, which has come out and make
conclusions based on the video which does not tell the
whole story, regardless of what we think it does.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Right, But their job is to back Ice no matter what.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Their job as head coach is to come out and say,
I believe in my players. They do everything right, They're
trying the hardest they can, and they believe in the
right thing like that is their job.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, but you can do that without.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And Trump's number one thing is loyalty. He is he
is never going to question the men and women that
are serving him as he sees it.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I agree with that. But there's a
way to do this. There's an artful way to do
it without being disingenuous, and it can simply say, and
Christy know him, to her credit, did say the loss
of anyone's life is a tragedy. Period. This should not
have happened. And if she left it at that and
said we're gonna let the investigation take its course. We
(13:45):
stand by the agent and his family because obviously he's
going to be going through it. We stand by and
we are ready to help with Renee Goods family. Whatever
they need, we'll try to give them, but we're gonna
not come to conclusions about this and let the justice
system do its job. Tom Holman, for example, the borders
are he came out and said, why would anybody jump
(14:08):
to conclusions about this? And this is a guy who
Trump administration borderhawk guy. Even he came out and said,
I wasn't there, We weren't there. We can't draw conclusions
about what led up to this, about the instance, about
what was going on in that agent's head when he
pulled the trigger, other than it looks like he believes
he was under threat or the other agents were under threat.
(14:30):
But he didn't want to draw any conclusions because he
knows that that only inflames both sides.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I was just going to say, it can be incendiary,
it can cause more unrest in Minneapolis and other cities.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
But that's just not the way that Christy.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Noaim and Donald Trump operated and they're never going to
operate that way. They're always going to react, and they're
always going to back law enforcement, their law enforcement, the
people that they told to go to Minneapolis and do
what was done. They're going to because they're backing themselves
in that In that.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Case, I did.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Oh, speaking of which, I see a little bug that
says that Jade Vance is going to be involved with
the White House press briefing today.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Oh, somebody is getting upset that they're not getting enough attention.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I want the spotlight.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
What about me?
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Dad?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I was talking with a friend yesterday about the kind
of the fallout from this and how it is that
we were removed from it. Obviously it's far away for
many reasons. Geographically for one, we're removed from it. But
that one of the reasons why this didn't blow up
into a massive protest overnight in literally in Minnesota or Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's fifteen degrees.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And now that's that was my first thought yesterday, is
nothing's going to come of this because it's too cold.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
However, here it's not. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
We'll have a couple of ice demonstrations, I believe. Wow,
look at that nausey Allie still at it?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Oh, you didn't see him on TV earlier. Wow. A
couple of protests this morning.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
The LA protest at the Historic Plaza last night was
from the Party for Socialism and Liberation, there are a
couple of others that are planned for today right around
the Federal Building.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I think one he was supposed to.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Start a half an hour ago, and then another one
is supposed to pick up at about ten.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Hardest working activist, only activist. It gets his name out
there in LA for the past twenty years. He went away,
he did time, came back and picked up that mantle
right where he was activated.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Good for him.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
We've got an interview coming up later in the show
with stand up comedian Dusty Sligh.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
One of my favorites.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
What are your favorites? One of my favorites new up
and coming guys. That's I mean, he's not new, it's
up and coming. I don't want to demean him in
any way, but he's got a couple of Netflix specials
out there, and he seems to be sort of on
the cusp of some pretty big things. Not that you know,
a couple Netflix specials aren't big things. But we'll talk
with Dusty coming up, I think in the twelve o'clock
(17:05):
hour to them. Also at the top of the hour,
we're going to get into this the theories about a
few more of them about why it is that Alan
Jackson is no longer Nick Reiner's attorney. Some interesting legal
opinions about what would prompt somebody to.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Drop a very high profile case like that. Well, he
seemed like he was forced to. He had no other
option to, I believe were his words to me. That's
a difference of strategy or money. You know, the rules
are very intricate when it comes to money in a
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trust situation, when the people in charge of the trust
are murdered. You know, if each child had a trust
set up for him or her, I can see where
the family would reach out and try to get the
best attorney in the business and then think that their
brothers of the trust would pay for his representation. I
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can see where the siblings wouldn't want their trusts to
pay for his legal defense.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Right, that's their money.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
But I don't know if the trust that the sun
has can be used for his own benefit in his
defense of killing the people who set up the trust,
even if he's not convicted yet, even if he's not
gonna bected. That's so, I think that probably is the
most likely scenario of the money was just tied up.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Governor Tim Walls of Minnesota is holding the latest news
conference after the shooting yesterday involving the ICE agent there
in Minneapolis. This is one of these stories that's going
to continue today. There are a couple of local protests
that we're keeping an eye on too here in LA
outside the Federal building. So we'll keep an eye on
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all of the events of that. Yesterday during the during
our show, as a matter of fact, there was a
demonstration I guess you could say a protest.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
They let us burn was the name of it, out
of the Pacific Palisades to mark the one year anniversary
of the fire and the take I mean a lot
of anger. You heard John Show yesterday and he interviewed
a bunch of people that were out there, and.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Did I fall on my head? Am I uh.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Am?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I missing something?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I understand that Donald Trump is the president in a
second term of the United States.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
That is that is reality.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
That's what did I miss out where the Spencer Pratt
is a real person and not just a opportunist sister
reality TV guy.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Well, I will say this about Spencer Pratt.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Because hearing John Cobalt interview him yesterday was odd to me, and.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's not the first time He's been on a couple
of times with John.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
And and Spencer Pratt makes sense.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
But the thing is is like I remember, you know,
people don't really change who they are. I remember who
he was, you know, twenty years ago on that show
as just kind of, like I said, an opportunist, manipulator,
all about number one. And then I thought to myself,
as I'm listening to John take him seriously and he's
making sense, I thought, well, duh, Shannon, he is exactly
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a politician.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Like, who do you think these people are?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I call politicians as clowns who we don't really even
know every day. Right, That's exactly how I feel about
Gavin Newso it's like, why not Spencer Pratt?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
He has all the makings.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He's a narcissist, he's out for number one, he's smart,
he can talk well, he knows how to get a
crowd going. So what if he's an empty sweatsuit that
he's just like the rest of them.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Perhaps a reality show star is the larval stage of
a future politician, right. Spencer Pratt has been very vocal
about the breakdown of leadership that led up to and
in the aftermath of the Palisades fire, specifically the city
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of La that he has gone after. He's gone after
the governor as well, but he has really sharpened his
sharpest knives for Mayor Karen Bass. And he said as
much yesterday when he announced that he's gonna run for mayor.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
That's why I am running for mayor.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
And let and let me be clear, this just isn't
a campaign. This is a mission. And we are going
to expose the system. We are going into every dark
corner of La politics and disinfecting this city with our light.
And when we are done, La is going to be
camera ready again.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Okay, There's one thing about this that I'm perfectly fine with,
and that is he's going to keep his foot on
the gas when it comes to attacking Karen Bass over
the reaction to the fire.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Every government needs somebody to stand up throw things at
them because if anything less, they know somebody's paying attention,
you know, they're not going to get away with everything
that they want to do. There was something that I
was thinking about yesterday when I was listening to John's
coverage of this, and it used to be the police
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union and the fire union. We're so strong and cities
are beholden to these unions, right and now you're seeing, well,
this is the optics that at least I'm seeing that
this or two departments that are fighting and clawing for funding,
the fire department being vastly.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Underfunded from what it should be.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
The police department, we talked to Chief Jim McDonald right
here in the studio, vastly underfunded. So the unions are
still running the city, but not police and fire. Now,
I think as tax payers, I have long said your
job is city government is police and fire and roads.
Those are your three obligations to spots, obligations to us
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as taxpayers, and that's not being done. I'm all for
going in and finding a Spencer Pratt to throw things
at la City Hall and find out where the money
and the special interests dollars are going, because they're not
going to police and Fire union.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And listen, he's going to get a lot of attention
just because of who he is and the and the
volume with which he says things.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Somebody to go in and kick down doors and shed
sunlight on all of this to disinfect the dirt that is,
according to Michael Monks, an unseerious government. But that's not
la is a country. La Is is not just a
thing with a one issue mayor. And as an example, is.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Spencer Pratt white, a white male getting elected mayor of
la would be a.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Sort of problem.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
But is Spencer Pratt going to be the face of
the city of Los Angeles? That's when the World Cup
comes to town and when the Olympics come to town.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
No, that's why I'm saying he's good for somebody to
throw rocks at city Hall.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I don't know if it moves past that.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
And every listen, every candidate for mayor is going to
go after Karen Bass and the fire.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's going to be the issue.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
But we also live in a you know, I was
shocked when our old Schwarzenegger was running during the recall.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
What are we doing here? What happened?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I was shocked when Donald Trump came down the escalator.
You know, so Spencer Pratt man, weirder things have happened.
I mean, we have a show, idiots, how do you
and I have a radio show on KFI.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Gary and Shannon will continue giving up vaping for cigarettes.
Watch your head's kids. The pendulum is swinging.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Cigarettes are cut are back. Yeah, huh.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
We mentioned that the protests continue in Minneapolis. There is
a large gathering of people at the scene of yesterday's
shooting by that ice agent in that neighborhood. The Governor
Walls of Minnesota is holding a news conference right now
and has said that Trump administration officials have been talking
about things that are, in his words, verifiably false about
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the events that led up to and the shooting itself
from yesterday. There are a couple protests that are playing
here in LA. We'll keep an eye on all of
them as we get through get through the day today,
we get.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Through the day. You make it sound like we're doing
some people.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Some people are doing hard work right now.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, but you said we you put yourself in that.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I meant like, you don't have a day to get
through collective. You have a day you get to live
in and play in, and you don't have to get
through anything. What's the hardest thing you're going to do today?
And don't say sit here and talk.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
To you for four hours.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I wasn't going to say that.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
No, you were just thinking it. I hear your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Nicotine consumption has gone down over the last twenty five
years significantly for many different reasons. One of the most significant,
I would think is when in the state of California,
smoking in restaurants and bars.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Was outlawed for me because I quit smoking several times.
I smoked from when I was fifteen, sixteen sexy to
when I'm not bragging, to when I was about twenty five,
and then the odd cigarette maybe once a year, twice
a year, something like that for a while.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
But I started to quit.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
The first time I quit smoking, I think was twenty two,
and then twenty three, and then twenty four and then
twenty five.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
I'd tried to quit a number of times.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
When you would quit, how long would you go? You
make it expay?
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, it's a really good question.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I think probably I lasted six months something like that.
I mean a considerable amount of time if you're quitting something,
and then I would just but see I was quitting
for like a boyfriend, or I was quitting because the
thing that finally got me to quit, I think is
that I was hiding I was doing I was smoking
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cigarettes like you would do heroin. You couldn't do it
in front of anybody anymore because it was gross. It
had fallen out of vogue. Nobody smoked anymore. So I
would like go have a cigarette in an alley at work,
you know, like away from people, and it felt like
a dirty thing, like a.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Dirty habit that I didn't want anyone to see.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And that's really what I think got me to finally quit.
Quit because when I started, everyone was smoking. Like we said,
there was a smoking section in high school. You go
to parties, everyone smoked, in bars, everyone, And so when
it became something that like you had to hide and
it isolated you as a young person, that.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Is very powerful.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
There is a trend.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
The Wall Street Journal says that new surveys suggest that
twenty something smokers were drawn into the old vaping, of course,
because everybody thought it was cool, and when the nicotine
fix came with vaping, they realized vaping wasn't as cool
as they thought, but they still wanted the nicotine fix.
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So it almost is a back from where we were
twenty years ago. For example, twenty years ago when vaping
became a thing and East cigarettes was a deal. It
was touted for a lot of people as a way
to cut back on nicotine or to quit smoking, or
to step down from smoking, and your point, get away
from the social stigma that was attached to smoking.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
But the problem is vaping is just not sexy. You're
you look like you're sucking on a battery. It's the
dumb and the smoke. And when there's a dude and
he's puffing out clouds of unicorn princess strawberry smoke doing here, folks.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I've never again.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I may have gotten that flavor wrong, but you know what,
I tried that.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Okay, I haven't either, so listen, we're talking.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
No, you know what I did try When Jane Wells
was hosting one afternoon years ago and vaping was just
taking off, she brought us in vape pens to try.
I believe Clay got hooked on them. I think Clay
went on to vape for years after that. But it
was a flavor and it was kind of cool. It
was it did remind me of smoke. I could see
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where it would be addictive because you're inhaling and exhaling
and there's smoking.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
The oral fixation, all.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Of it but this is why I think that the
zen pouches have taken off, because it's the nicotine without
the sucking on a battery, without the Princess strawberry pink smoke.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
You can do it without being.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Obvious.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Obvious is the right way.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yes, you can do without people like being obvious. Isn't
that part of the thing about smoking? And how cool,
how cool you thought you looked.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I'm not a smoker. I've tried cigarettes. I don't even
Cigars aren't my real thing. I'll enjoy them every once
in a while, but that's not that's not what moves me.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I feel like if you were born earlier, you would
have been a cigarette smoking because everybody was just look
like you belong with a cigarette.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
But to me, there is there is a romantic notion
attached with cigarettes. My dad smoked for a long time,
but I didn't know it.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Because of movies. The movies. Movies are on, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
And grandparents, like my grandfather on my dad's side, smoked
like a chimney.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
My grandfather quit smoking and he smoked unfiltered cigarettes. He
quit cold turkey, and I always thought, wow, what a superhero.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
But there was a this article actually references. You know,
some kids you know in their twenties now started with
vapes and are making their way to cigarettes because it's
lost what you referred to as sort of that dirty
stigma that was attached to it.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I haven't seen this, so until I see it in
real life, I'm saying this is just a media clickbait
story because I haven't seen twenty year old smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I know people who have done it, who've gone from
that in that same age range that have gone from vape,
and I've at least picked up cigarettes. I don't know
if they're transitioning completely and giving up so people.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That never smoked cigarettes, that did vape and now are
really So you've seen this in real life.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I have not.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Okay, wow, well there's unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Again, it's not natural, but it's more natural, it seems,
than the chemicals tobacco leaf product than it is to
suck like as you said, on a battery and have
magic blueberry dust come out of your face.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It's just an odd It's always been odd to see.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
And in my head, I think the smell of cigarettes
is better than the smell.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Like there is that's not healthy either, there is still
a romantic notion.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
To some of that for people that are old like us.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
The first strike of the match, the first puff of
the cigarette, all of that I have.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I don't know if I.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Would say positive memories, but they're definitely sense memories that
I have of that.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yes, yes, anyway, good talk. We'll do a Bible Hour coming.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Up next, I hope. So let's right the ship here
to clean ourselves.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, I need to go to confession after thinking all
those cigarettes.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You can always hear us live on KFI AM six
forty nine am to one pm every Monday through Friday,
and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio app
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. I was going to ask how
our latest venture is going. We have acquired all thirty
two helmets in the NFL. We did a wild Card
(00:21):
weekend matchup for your dog. You stage this hoping that
maybe we can achieve some sort of fame via your dog.
Maybe he has a nose for prognosticating the outcome of
major sporting events, and we're giving it a spin with
wild Card Weekend. So how did that go? You set
up the helmets? Was it a struggle? Did he what happened?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Well?
Speaker 3 (00:42):
He did just fine, and he seemed to really enjoy it.
I'm not going to tell you.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
I mean, but this is just like the preview. You
see little helmets on the carpet there, and then he
jumps off the So what do you say, go? I
say release? He's up on a little piece of I
don't know, an autumn.
Speaker 4 (00:57):
I guess, uh, huh say lease? And that works? Huh yeah, wow,
that's his You taught him that?
Speaker 2 (01:04):
Well? I mean it's yeah, do.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
You teach all your dogs release?
Speaker 2 (01:08):
No?
Speaker 4 (01:09):
This is new for this dog.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
Well, I didn't know how to do it before, and
now I know how to do it. So for example, uh,
there's a close up, so you know, see how and
he goes straight to one of them first.
Speaker 4 (01:19):
I see whichever one he did.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
Now, did he go back and forth left to right
or did he always go to the right.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
No, he did back and forth.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
And like I said, one of the ways that we
can randomize it is by flipping a coin. So it's
not always the visiting team on the left and the
home team on the right, although that's the way they're
listed when you look at him. I wanted to make
sure that we mixed it up so he didn't always
pick the visiting team.
Speaker 2 (01:40):
If he's right, you know.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
If he goes to the right, right, exactly right.
Speaker 3 (01:44):
So that's all. So he's got he got six picks tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (01:48):
Will He did go back and forth right and left.
Speaker 3 (01:50):
He did go back and forth right. Interesting, so maybe
there is some I don't know. I didn't say anything
about the teams. I didn't even introduce it.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
You didn't talk to him about before he's been born
into a forty nine er family.
Speaker 3 (02:02):
Didn't explain that to him. Yeah, didn't explain that to him.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
I'm a I'm real worried about my middle nephews. Were
actually life. This is the whole life I told you
about Logan. He's an Eagles fan. He's the outlier of
the family. He just decided that he likes the Eagles,
and he's liked the Eagles for years.
Speaker 4 (02:23):
And I have one of those.
Speaker 2 (02:25):
He's a she's a cousin. I keep her at arms.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
Sure, it's about twenty now, but my mother was very
upset when my brother got his son an Eagles ornament.
And in her words, now Jalen Hurts is on top
of the goddamn Christmas tree, were my mother's words. This
was before the playoff field was set. And now we've
(02:49):
got the Niners and the Eagles match up this weekend.
And I hope he goes back to college.
Speaker 4 (02:56):
I hope he is out of the house.
Speaker 1 (02:58):
I mean, she's in the Bay Area up in Fulsome
at my brother's house. But I'd like him further away
from her, because that's like she can get in the
car and drive too Fulsome and take it out on
that kit and hurt him, you know. I mean, she's
a tiny woman, She's one hundred pounds, but she gonna
hurt him with her words. Spider monkey orus, Yes, spider Monkey,
(03:21):
that's funny.
Speaker 4 (03:22):
That's something Andy would say.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
Okay, So we have a lot going on today, and
we'll talk a little bit more kind of follow ups
on some of the stuff that we talked about yesterday,
including the post Bonma, what we know about Alan Jackson
and his decision to get away from the Nick Reiner case.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
Also, we'll talk about the State of the state.
Speaker 3 (03:44):
Gavin Newsom's first presidential speech is today and it's his
final State of the State address that he's once again
doing in front of the state legislature.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
So we'll talk about all of that.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
Obviously, the big story happened during our show yesterday, the
shooting of a thirty seven year old woman by a
federal immigration agent during an operation in Minneapolis. Protests have
popped up, not just in Minneapolis. There were a handful
of people a few dozen outside the Federal Building downtown
LA yesterday that they also gathered I think it was
(04:19):
in the Placita Olivera in downtown LA last night, and
then this morning they're expected outside the Federal building. A
couple of different organizations say that they're going to be
doing they're going to be doing protests out there. We
talked yesterday about the first videos that we saw of
what happened. Women in an suv parked perpendicular to a
(04:42):
street in a residential area, and ICE agents had jumped
out of their vehicles to try to get her out
of the way, and they're yelling at her to get
out of the car, stop the car, etc. One agent
goes up to try to either open the door it's locked,
or reach in maybe and open the door, and he
can't do that. She backs up very quickly, takes off
(05:04):
again forward, and an ICE agent that had been standing
in the front of the vehicle or just off of
that front left quarter panel, shot at least three times,
ended up killing her. Everybody's seen the video. If you haven't,
there is a million of them out there. There's from
several different angles. One of them is farther down the street.
(05:26):
And Josh Campbell, former FBI agent, has seen it, he
said a couple of dozen times, looked at it very
specifically and asked, pretty does a good job of coming
up with a succinct question that needs to be answered
about the video?
Speaker 5 (05:41):
The ICE agent who is there. But again they'll come
down to a matter of question, could that agent have
moved out of the way. They're not required to retreat.
There's no duty to retreat on facing someone who may
be potentially violent. Now there's another thing to point out too,
and that's the angle that we see from the bystander,
is that it appears just before the shots are fired
or the front wheels on that vehicle turned to the right.
(06:03):
That's an indication, obviously to us from that vantage point,
that the driver is about to move out of that
location toward the right. That's why this is such a
powder keg, because there'sessentially two aspects of this. There's the policy,
the law, you know what agents are allowed to do,
and there's an issue of judgment just because you can
do something.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
Should you?
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Now he does say, and he does say, there is
a there is a middle of murky middle ground where
the vehicle makes contact. In his opinion, he said, the
vehicle made contact with that agent and obviously wasn't enough
to knock him over, but it did make contact with him.
And is it possible that the agent put himself in
(06:44):
a bad position and then reacted to what potential for
deadly vie.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
I don't believe an agent is going to think that
many steps ahead and then create the alibi in real
time of why you.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Shoe, not that he created not that he did it
to create an alibi, but he did it on accident,
like he didn't follow training, which was don't stand in
front of a vehicle like that that's running, that has
the chance to start and potentially knock you out, knock
you over again.
Speaker 1 (07:13):
Now did you read or hear that this vehicle was
kind of leading the charge of all the vehicles and
the protests throughout the morning. Yeah, okay, so this vehicle
had been a problem vehicle for the entire assignment of
go Koral, these rioters, slash protesters, whatever they're going to
turn out to be. Yeah, so that yesterday we talked
(07:35):
about it rightly.
Speaker 4 (07:36):
So we said, we don't know the context.
Speaker 1 (07:38):
It doesn't look good for the ice officer that fired,
because to his point, just because you can and you're
within the law and within your duty to fire at
that point doesn't mean you should. But we also didn't
know what precipitated this, and now we know that this
vehicle had been a problem, this woman had been a
problem she had not been listening to orders the entire day.
(08:00):
She was an antagonist, it seems, in this entire protest. Also,
the word protest is important. It was not a riot
at this point, right, but it was a protest that
involved cars that can be deadly weapons. There's a lot
that goes on here, and I don't think it's black
and white.
Speaker 4 (08:18):
I think there's a lot of gray area.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
I think everybody that came out right away has been wrong.
Speaker 4 (08:24):
And that includes the president.
Speaker 3 (08:26):
That includes the president, That includes the Secretary of Homeland
Defense or Homeland Security, like.
Speaker 1 (08:30):
It includes all the journalists saying that she's a poet
and a mom get out of here.
Speaker 4 (08:34):
I mean, none of that's relevant.
Speaker 2 (08:36):
None of that's relevant.
Speaker 3 (08:38):
Fractually correct, sure, but not relevant to what happened in
that moment, in that instant.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
We'll talk.
Speaker 3 (08:43):
There's one guy who I think has had a level
head through this. We'll hear from him when we come back.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
Gary and Shannon, that's us.
Speaker 6 (08:50):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
Black Money is now extended into Thursday. This morning, Mike
McDaniel and the Dolphins has been let go. You gotta
believe this had something to do with the fact that
John Harbaugh was let go after Black Monday. Now people
are going, oh, if Harbaugh's available, then maybe we can
to Mike McDaniel.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
So we'll see where everyone lands.
Speaker 1 (09:16):
But Marco Rubio has won the social media prize of
the day. Marco Rubio, who has a million jobs.
Speaker 3 (09:24):
Right, National Security Advisor, Secretary of State, among others.
Speaker 1 (09:28):
Venezuela Hawk su Marco Rubio tweeted.
Speaker 2 (09:32):
In America whisperer.
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Yeah, I do not normally respond to online rumors, but
field the need to do so at this moment. I
will not be a candidate for the currently vacant head
coach and GM positions with the Miami Dolphins.
Speaker 4 (09:44):
Well, you never know what the future may bring.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
Right now, my focus must remain on global events and
also the previous precious archives of the United States of America.
Speaker 4 (09:52):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Good for him.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Yeah, it's funny in the context of what he's going
through right all day every year, little Levity.
Speaker 2 (09:59):
I like it, Levity.
Speaker 3 (10:01):
We've been talking about this shooting in Minneapolis. This was
supposed to be, by the way, according to the White House,
the largest operation of ICE agents going in and targeting
immigrant populations and the shooting that took place yesterday Portland
Avenue between East thirty third and thirty fourth if you
(10:21):
know where that is, the central neighborhood right there in Minneapolis.
The context is completely different, but it was within a
mile apparently of where George Floyd was killed. Videos of
this incident again showed two agents approaching a car which
had been stopped sideways in the road for about three minutes,
and the driver was repeatedly waiving other ice vehicles apparently
(10:45):
to pass by her. When two agents exited their vehicle
ordered her to get out of her car. There was
a third agent you can't really see from most of
the videos because they're taken behind the suv. You can't
see him until she begins to accelerate and take off,
and he's the one that fire shots. What's amazing to me,
and I don't know why it amazes me every time
we see something like this. You and I could watch
(11:08):
the same video. You and I could watch the same videos,
I mean, different angles of the exact same incident and
come away with completely different conclusions about what actually happened.
And that's what it appears everyone has done.
Speaker 4 (11:24):
To this day.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
It's also what lenses you're viewing the video through. Sure,
is it the lens where you want to see somebody
who's protesting ICE run a foul of the law, or
is it something that you're viewing through the lenses of
Ice is evil because the president is evil.
Speaker 3 (11:42):
So Chief Brian O'Hara, the police chief there in Minneapolis.
At this point, I'm not even clear which agency is
going to be investigating it, but appears his agency would
have jurisdiction since it happened in the city of Minneapolis,
even if it was a federal agent that was involved
with the shooting.
Speaker 4 (11:58):
Do you believe the use.
Speaker 2 (11:59):
Of deadly for was warranted?
Speaker 7 (12:01):
Well, I think that is a question that ultimately must
be answered through a thorough and complete investigation. And that's
why I think we owe it not just to the
deceased and her family, but also to the larger community
to ensure that number one, we maintained that scene yesterday
(12:23):
so that it could be processed and that we can
allow a full investigation to follow the evidence to all
of its logical conclusion.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
Okay, level headed answer, very clear, not drawing conclusions. That
was the exact opposite of what Christy Nolam did yesterday
of what other Department of Homeland Security spokespeople did, of
what the president did, which has come out and make
conclusions based on the video which does not tell the
whole story, regardless of what we think it does.
Speaker 4 (12:53):
Right, But their job is to back Ice no matter what.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
Their job as head coach is to come out and say,
I believe in my players. They do everything right, They're
trying the hardest they can, and they believe in the
right thing like that is their job.
Speaker 2 (13:09):
Yeah, but you can do that without.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
And Trump's number one thing is loyalty. He is he
is never going to question the men and women that
are serving him as he sees it.
Speaker 3 (13:24):
Yeah, okay, yeah, I agree with that. But there's a
way to do this. There's an artful way to do
it without being disingenuous, and it can simply say, and
Christy know him, to her credit, did say the loss
of anyone's life is a tragedy. Period. This should not
have happened. And if she left it at that and
said we're gonna let the investigation take its course. We
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stand by the agent and his family because obviously he's
going to be going through it. We stand by and
we are ready to help with Renee Goods family. Whatever
they need, we'll try to give them, but we're gonna
not come to conclusions about this and let the justice
system do its job. Tom Holman, for example, the borders
are he came out and said, why would anybody jump
(14:08):
to conclusions about this? And this is a guy who
Trump administration borderhawk guy. Even he came out and said,
I wasn't there, We weren't there. We can't draw conclusions
about what led up to this, about the instance, about
what was going on in that agent's head when he
pulled the trigger, other than it looks like he believes
he was under threat or the other agents were under threat.
(14:30):
But he didn't want to draw any conclusions because he
knows that that only inflames both sides.
Speaker 1 (14:36):
I was just going to say, it can be incendiary,
it can cause more unrest in Minneapolis and other cities.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
But that's just not the way that Christy.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Noaim and Donald Trump operated and they're never going to
operate that way. They're always going to react, and they're
always going to back law enforcement, their law enforcement, the
people that they told to go to Minneapolis and do
what was done. They're going to because they're backing themselves
in that In that.
Speaker 2 (15:02):
Case, I did.
Speaker 3 (15:04):
Oh, speaking of which, I see a little bug that
says that Jade Vance is going to be involved with
the White House press briefing today.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
Oh, somebody is getting upset that they're not getting enough attention.
Speaker 2 (15:14):
I want the spotlight.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
What about me?
Speaker 6 (15:16):
Dad?
Speaker 3 (15:17):
I was talking with a friend yesterday about the kind
of the fallout from this and how it is that
we were removed from it. Obviously it's far away for
many reasons. Geographically for one, we're removed from it. But
that one of the reasons why this didn't blow up
into a massive protest overnight in literally in Minnesota or Minneapolis.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
It's fifteen degrees.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And now that's that was my first thought yesterday, is
nothing's going to come of this because it's too cold.
Speaker 4 (15:42):
However, here it's not. It's beautiful.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
We'll have a couple of ice demonstrations, I believe. Wow,
look at that nausey Allie still at it?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Huh.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
Oh, you didn't see him on TV earlier. Wow. A
couple of protests this morning.
Speaker 3 (15:59):
The LA protest at the Historic Plaza last night was
from the Party for Socialism and Liberation, there are a
couple of others that are planned for today right around
the Federal Building.
Speaker 2 (16:11):
I think one he was supposed to.
Speaker 3 (16:12):
Start a half an hour ago, and then another one
is supposed to pick up at about ten.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Hardest working activist, only activist. It gets his name out
there in LA for the past twenty years. He went away,
he did time, came back and picked up that mantle
right where he was activated.
Speaker 4 (16:29):
Good for him.
Speaker 6 (16:31):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (16:38):
We've got an interview coming up later in the show
with stand up comedian Dusty Sligh.
Speaker 2 (16:43):
One of my favorites.
Speaker 3 (16:44):
What are your favorites? One of my favorites new up
and coming guys. That's I mean, he's not new, it's
up and coming. I don't want to demean him in
any way, but he's got a couple of Netflix specials
out there, and he seems to be sort of on
the cusp of some pretty big things. Not that you know,
a couple Netflix specials aren't big things. But we'll talk
with Dusty coming up, I think in the twelve o'clock
(17:05):
hour to them. Also at the top of the hour,
we're going to get into this the theories about a
few more of them about why it is that Alan
Jackson is no longer Nick Reiner's attorney. Some interesting legal
opinions about what would prompt somebody to.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
Drop a very high profile case like that. Well, he
seemed like he was forced to. He had no other
option to, I believe were his words to me. That's
a difference of strategy or money. You know, the rules
are very intricate when it comes to money in a
(17:43):
trust situation, when the people in charge of the trust
are murdered. You know, if each child had a trust
set up for him or her, I can see where
the family would reach out and try to get the
best attorney in the business and then think that their
brothers of the trust would pay for his representation. I
(18:04):
can see where the siblings wouldn't want their trusts to
pay for his legal defense.
Speaker 4 (18:09):
Right, that's their money.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
But I don't know if the trust that the sun
has can be used for his own benefit in his
defense of killing the people who set up the trust,
even if he's not convicted yet, even if he's not
gonna bected. That's so, I think that probably is the
most likely scenario of the money was just tied up.
Speaker 3 (18:29):
Governor Tim Walls of Minnesota is holding the latest news
conference after the shooting yesterday involving the ICE agent there
in Minneapolis. This is one of these stories that's going
to continue today. There are a couple of local protests
that we're keeping an eye on too here in LA
outside the Federal building. So we'll keep an eye on
(18:49):
all of the events of that. Yesterday during the during
our show, as a matter of fact, there was a
demonstration I guess you could say a protest.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (19:01):
They let us burn was the name of it, out
of the Pacific Palisades to mark the one year anniversary
of the fire and the take I mean a lot
of anger. You heard John Show yesterday and he interviewed
a bunch of people that were out there, and.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Did I fall on my head? Am I uh.
Speaker 7 (19:21):
Uh?
Speaker 1 (19:21):
Am?
Speaker 4 (19:21):
I missing something?
Speaker 1 (19:23):
I understand that Donald Trump is the president in a
second term of the United States.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
That is that is reality.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
That's what did I miss out where the Spencer Pratt
is a real person and not just a opportunist sister
reality TV guy.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
Well, I will say this about Spencer Pratt.
Speaker 1 (19:43):
Because hearing John Cobalt interview him yesterday was odd to me, and.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
It's not the first time He's been on a couple
of times with John.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
And and Spencer Pratt makes sense.
Speaker 1 (19:53):
But the thing is is like I remember, you know,
people don't really change who they are. I remember who
he was, you know, twenty years ago on that show
as just kind of, like I said, an opportunist, manipulator,
all about number one. And then I thought to myself,
as I'm listening to John take him seriously and he's
making sense, I thought, well, duh, Shannon, he is exactly
(20:16):
a politician.
Speaker 4 (20:18):
Like, who do you think these people are?
Speaker 1 (20:20):
I call politicians as clowns who we don't really even
know every day. Right, That's exactly how I feel about
Gavin Newso it's like, why not Spencer Pratt?
Speaker 4 (20:31):
He has all the makings.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
He's a narcissist, he's out for number one, he's smart,
he can talk well, he knows how to get a
crowd going. So what if he's an empty sweatsuit that
he's just like the rest of them.
Speaker 3 (20:46):
Perhaps a reality show star is the larval stage of
a future politician, right. Spencer Pratt has been very vocal
about the breakdown of leadership that led up to and
in the aftermath of the Palisades fire, specifically the city
(21:07):
of La that he has gone after. He's gone after
the governor as well, but he has really sharpened his
sharpest knives for Mayor Karen Bass. And he said as
much yesterday when he announced that he's gonna run for mayor.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
That's why I am running for mayor.
Speaker 8 (21:24):
And let and let me be clear, this just isn't
a campaign. This is a mission. And we are going
to expose the system. We are going into every dark
corner of La politics and disinfecting this city with our light.
And when we are done, La is going to be
camera ready again.
Speaker 3 (21:44):
Okay, There's one thing about this that I'm perfectly fine with,
and that is he's going to keep his foot on
the gas when it comes to attacking Karen Bass over
the reaction to the fire.
Speaker 1 (21:57):
Every government needs somebody to stand up throw things at
them because if anything less, they know somebody's paying attention,
you know, they're not going to get away with everything
that they want to do. There was something that I
was thinking about yesterday when I was listening to John's
coverage of this, and it used to be the police
(22:18):
union and the fire union. We're so strong and cities
are beholden to these unions, right and now you're seeing, well,
this is the optics that at least I'm seeing that
this or two departments that are fighting and clawing for funding,
the fire department being vastly.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
Underfunded from what it should be.
Speaker 1 (22:39):
The police department, we talked to Chief Jim McDonald right
here in the studio, vastly underfunded. So the unions are
still running the city, but not police and fire. Now,
I think as tax payers, I have long said your
job is city government is police and fire and roads.
Those are your three obligations to spots, obligations to us
(23:01):
as taxpayers, and that's not being done. I'm all for
going in and finding a Spencer Pratt to throw things
at la City Hall and find out where the money
and the special interests dollars are going, because they're not
going to police and Fire union.
Speaker 3 (23:20):
And listen, he's going to get a lot of attention
just because of who he is and the and the
volume with which he says things.
Speaker 2 (23:25):
And I agree with you.
Speaker 3 (23:26):
Somebody to go in and kick down doors and shed
sunlight on all of this to disinfect the dirt that is,
according to Michael Monks, an unseerious government. But that's not
la is a country. La Is is not just a
thing with a one issue mayor. And as an example, is.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
Spencer Pratt white, a white male getting elected mayor of
la would be a.
Speaker 2 (23:52):
Sort of problem.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
But is Spencer Pratt going to be the face of
the city of Los Angeles? That's when the World Cup
comes to town and when the Olympics come to town.
Speaker 1 (24:01):
No, that's why I'm saying he's good for somebody to
throw rocks at city Hall.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I don't know if it moves past that.
Speaker 3 (24:06):
And every listen, every candidate for mayor is going to
go after Karen Bass and the fire.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
That's going to be the issue.
Speaker 1 (24:13):
But we also live in a you know, I was
shocked when our old Schwarzenegger was running during the recall.
Speaker 4 (24:19):
What are we doing here? What happened?
Speaker 1 (24:22):
I was shocked when Donald Trump came down the escalator.
You know, so Spencer Pratt man, weirder things have happened.
I mean, we have a show, idiots, how do you
and I have a radio show on KFI.
Speaker 4 (24:39):
That's crazy.
Speaker 3 (24:40):
Gary and Shannon will continue giving up vaping for cigarettes.
Watch your head's kids. The pendulum is swinging.
Speaker 4 (24:50):
Cigarettes are cut are back. Yeah, huh.
Speaker 6 (24:54):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (25:01):
We mentioned that the protests continue in Minneapolis. There is
a large gathering of people at the scene of yesterday's
shooting by that ice agent in that neighborhood. The Governor
Walls of Minnesota is holding a news conference right now
and has said that Trump administration officials have been talking
about things that are, in his words, verifiably false about
(25:25):
the events that led up to and the shooting itself
from yesterday. There are a couple protests that are playing
here in LA. We'll keep an eye on all of
them as we get through get through the day today,
we get.
Speaker 4 (25:39):
Through the day. You make it sound like we're doing
some people.
Speaker 2 (25:44):
Some people are doing hard work right now.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Yeah, but you said we you put yourself in that.
Speaker 1 (25:49):
I meant like, you don't have a day to get
through collective. You have a day you get to live
in and play in, and you don't have to get
through anything. What's the hardest thing you're going to do today?
And don't say sit here and talk.
Speaker 4 (26:02):
To you for four hours.
Speaker 2 (26:03):
I wasn't going to say that.
Speaker 4 (26:04):
No, you were just thinking it. I hear your thoughts.
Speaker 3 (26:09):
Nicotine consumption has gone down over the last twenty five
years significantly for many different reasons. One of the most significant,
I would think is when in the state of California,
smoking in restaurants and bars.
Speaker 1 (26:21):
Was outlawed for me because I quit smoking several times.
I smoked from when I was fifteen, sixteen sexy to
when I'm not bragging, to when I was about twenty five,
and then the odd cigarette maybe once a year, twice
a year, something like that for a while.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
But I started to quit.
Speaker 1 (26:41):
The first time I quit smoking, I think was twenty two,
and then twenty three, and then twenty four and then
twenty five.
Speaker 4 (26:47):
I'd tried to quit a number of times.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
When you would quit, how long would you go? You
make it expay?
Speaker 4 (26:56):
Yeah, it's a really good question.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
I think probably I lasted six months something like that.
I mean a considerable amount of time if you're quitting something,
and then I would just but see I was quitting
for like a boyfriend, or I was quitting because the
thing that finally got me to quit, I think is
that I was hiding I was doing I was smoking
(27:19):
cigarettes like you would do heroin. You couldn't do it
in front of anybody anymore because it was gross. It
had fallen out of vogue. Nobody smoked anymore. So I
would like go have a cigarette in an alley at work,
you know, like away from people, and it felt like
a dirty thing, like a.
Speaker 4 (27:34):
Dirty habit that I didn't want anyone to see.
Speaker 1 (27:36):
And that's really what I think got me to finally quit.
Quit because when I started, everyone was smoking. Like we said,
there was a smoking section in high school. You go
to parties, everyone smoked, in bars, everyone, And so when
it became something that like you had to hide and
it isolated you as a young person, that.
Speaker 4 (27:58):
Is very powerful.
Speaker 2 (28:01):
There is a trend.
Speaker 3 (28:02):
The Wall Street Journal says that new surveys suggest that
twenty something smokers were drawn into the old vaping, of course,
because everybody thought it was cool, and when the nicotine
fix came with vaping, they realized vaping wasn't as cool
as they thought, but they still wanted the nicotine fix.
(28:25):
So it almost is a back from where we were
twenty years ago. For example, twenty years ago when vaping
became a thing and East cigarettes was a deal. It
was touted for a lot of people as a way
to cut back on nicotine or to quit smoking, or
to step down from smoking, and your point, get away
from the social stigma that was attached to smoking.
Speaker 1 (28:44):
But the problem is vaping is just not sexy. You're
you look like you're sucking on a battery. It's the
dumb and the smoke. And when there's a dude and
he's puffing out clouds of unicorn princess strawberry smoke doing here, folks.
Speaker 2 (29:01):
I've never again.
Speaker 4 (29:03):
I may have gotten that flavor wrong, but you know what,
I tried that.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
Okay, I haven't either, so listen, we're talking.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
No, you know what I did try When Jane Wells
was hosting one afternoon years ago and vaping was just
taking off, she brought us in vape pens to try.
I believe Clay got hooked on them. I think Clay
went on to vape for years after that. But it
was a flavor and it was kind of cool. It
was it did remind me of smoke. I could see
(29:30):
where it would be addictive because you're inhaling and exhaling
and there's smoking.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
The oral fixation, all.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
Of it but this is why I think that the
zen pouches have taken off, because it's the nicotine without
the sucking on a battery, without the Princess strawberry pink smoke.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
You can do it without being.
Speaker 4 (29:52):
Obvious.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Obvious is the right way.
Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yes, you can do without people like being obvious. Isn't
that part of the thing about smoking? And how cool,
how cool you thought you looked.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
I'm not a smoker. I've tried cigarettes. I don't even
Cigars aren't my real thing. I'll enjoy them every once
in a while, but that's not that's not what moves me.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
I feel like if you were born earlier, you would
have been a cigarette smoking because everybody was just look
like you belong with a cigarette.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
But to me, there is there is a romantic notion
attached with cigarettes. My dad smoked for a long time,
but I didn't know it.
Speaker 4 (30:22):
Because of movies. The movies. Movies are on, you know.
Speaker 3 (30:26):
And grandparents, like my grandfather on my dad's side, smoked
like a chimney.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
My grandfather quit smoking and he smoked unfiltered cigarettes. He
quit cold turkey, and I always thought, wow, what a superhero.
Speaker 3 (30:40):
But there was a this article actually references. You know,
some kids you know in their twenties now started with
vapes and are making their way to cigarettes because it's
lost what you referred to as sort of that dirty
stigma that was attached to it.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
I haven't seen this, so until I see it in
real life, I'm saying this is just a media clickbait
story because I haven't seen twenty year old smoking cigarettes.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
I know people who have done it, who've gone from
that in that same age range that have gone from vape,
and I've at least picked up cigarettes. I don't know
if they're transitioning completely and giving up so people.
Speaker 1 (31:17):
That never smoked cigarettes, that did vape and now are
really So you've seen this in real life.
Speaker 5 (31:22):
I have not.
Speaker 4 (31:23):
Okay, wow, well there's unfortunate.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
Again, it's not natural, but it's more natural, it seems,
than the chemicals tobacco leaf product than it is to
suck like as you said, on a battery and have
magic blueberry dust come out of your face.
Speaker 2 (31:42):
It's just an odd It's always been odd to see.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
And in my head, I think the smell of cigarettes
is better than the smell.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
That's what I mean.
Speaker 3 (31:50):
Like there is that's not healthy either, there is still
a romantic notion.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
To some of that for people that are old like us.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
The first strike of the match, the first puff of
the cigarette, all of that I have.
Speaker 2 (32:02):
I don't know if I.
Speaker 3 (32:03):
Would say positive memories, but they're definitely sense memories that
I have of that.
Speaker 1 (32:06):
Yes, yes, anyway, good talk. We'll do a Bible Hour coming.
Speaker 4 (32:14):
Up next, I hope. So let's right the ship here
to clean ourselves.
Speaker 1 (32:19):
Yeah, I need to go to confession after thinking all
those cigarettes.
Speaker 2 (32:24):
You've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (32:26):
You can always hear us live on KFI AM six
forty nine am to one pm every Monday through Friday,
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