January 7, 2026 • 28 mins
Gary & Shannon kick off the show with a wild mix of breaking news, from a corn spill (definitely not a porn spill) shutting down the 10 Freeway, to major updates in the Reiner case as high-powered attorney Alan Jackson exits and Nick Reiner heads to court.
The conversation widens to global stakes as the U.S. seizes a Venezuelan oil tanker, with Secretary of State Marco Rubio and President Trump’s strategy under the microscope.
Plus, journalist and bestselling author Jacob Soboroff joins the show to discuss his new book, Firestorm, and what he calls a “new age of disaster.”
The hour wraps with sports shakeups, including John Harbaugh’s firing after 18 years with the Ravens and a trademark snag threatening the A’s move to Las Vegas.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Breaking news out of the Rhiner
murders in downtown Los Angeles. That's happening right now. We've
got all of the latest. When it comes to looking
back on what happened a year ago with the fire
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that wiped out the Palisades, We've got crazy things going
on with Venezuela and Capitol Hill, and now Greenland and
Denmark are summoning Marco Rubio to say, hey, don't come
after us, but will Colestreiver.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Are you there?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm here, okay, because I got in the car and
I heard a traffic report from you, and you said
that there was a truckload of porn spilled on the freeway.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Where are we on that?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It wasn't porn, nor with porn corn corn much more wholesome.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
But what did you say? Well, well, I did actually
say porn.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Court.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah that was great. I was feeling a little sluggish
this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I get in the car and I wake you up.
You sure did o, you sure did so. I thank
you for that smile.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So back to the breaking News out of downtown Los Angeles.
As we told you, the arraignment was put over for
the Reiner son who killed his parents and that he
had or the family had acquired. Alan Jackson, quite arguably
the most high profile defense attorney in the country right now,
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has handled a lot of celebrity cases, most recently the
Karen Reid case out of New England.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, now this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
The reports are that he's off the case, that a
public defender will take the case of Nick Reiner, and.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Will they explain that in court? They will probably not.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
The only the most likely to Naro is the money
didn't come through, And you're saying, well, this is the
Reiner family. Of course there's money there. But I'm wondering,
now if we've talked about true crime cases where.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You can't kill.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Someone and then benefit financially from those murders, right or
It's very murky to me. I'm obviously not a legal scholar,
but there may be some sort of legal hang up
with the son using the money from the family trust
of the very family members he murdered. There may be
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some sort of hang up there well, and they made
if the family wants to use that money, they may
need to entangle it in whatever way you can do
that and with trust. And I don't know this either,
Thankfully I haven't had to get to this level of life.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Trust.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Things aren't done overnight. It's not an overnight thing.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And you they may the family may be able to
guarantee that he would be paid and just prove to them, listen,
we have the assets and the trust. It's just a
matter of the process that goes by. You'll be paid.
It's just going to take some time and it won't
be immediate. But the other aspect of it is, is
there some amount of money that Nick Reiner had access
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to that was just given to him and I don't
know or or whatever he would have had from whatever
jobs he had. There's almost no way that he would
have enough money to cover an Aloe Jackson.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It would have to come from the family trust.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
So but there's also potentially an advantage maybe, right, I mean,
if if part of what the defense is going to
be is he was a troubled kid, suffered from mental
illness the whole time. This was, you know, an awful
thing that happened, but he was not in control of
his faculties, that that might be sold better by a
public defender profile criminal.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I think a low profile is the way to go
for any defense, especially because it came out that one
of Michelle's last emails was to somebody on death row.
This was a very liberal family that was all about
an equal defense. I guess you could make an argument
for that everybody deserves a defense kind of a situation.
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You know, it seems like these were Innocence Project type people.
So yeah, I would argue that a public defender is
probably your best route.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
But the other thing doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
For the first part about the money not coming through
is Alan Jackson knows they're.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Good for it, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Like, even if the trust isn't entangled for five years,
you're still going to get that money.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
It's not like he's hurting for money either.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And I wonder if this is a decision that he makes,
or if it's a decision that somebody from the family makes,
or you know, because if that's the case, if there's
an advisor to the family that says Alan Jackson's not
your best way to go, this is your best way
to go, then you've got some somebody else of that
some legal prowess.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That's advice.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And that was my first thought is they had like
a consultant tell them, Hey, this is not the route
you want to go with.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
This high profile case.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Alan Jackson goes high profile, the DA's office is going
to go high profile. Then you're going to have this
media circus and they're going to want to make a
you know, they're going to want to make a precedent
out of it. As you know, crazy rich kids can't
kill their parents and get off on it.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Who knows.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So Nick Reiner in court today, and of course we'll
follow the information that comes out of downtown Los Angeles internationally.
A developing story that's been going on is that the
United States seized finally that oil tank or that they've
been tracking for two plus weeks. It started just off
the coast of Venezuela. This thing made its way I think.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It was close to.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Island or not island, Iceland, territorial waters or something. By
the time listen you went to public school, I couldn't
find Iceland on a mat of Africa. The the the
vessel itself is apparently Russian connected and Venezuelan connected. So
we're opening some new cans of worms with this one,
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So talk about that, of course.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, you're right. Did you have a stroke?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, okay a little bit. You get a birthday on Monday,
you know it happens. Whoa blood fins.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
See, now you're disclosing your age. I thought we weren't
doing that.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You have people can't do math?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You had you had a rule at any of the week.
Well listen, you forgot about it.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Forgot You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
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Speaker 3 (06:45):
Flags at all state buildings today. I'm supposed to be
at half staff. Governor gaven Or, Governor Gavenue some declared
today a day of remembrance, of course, for the fires.
One year later, they announced that Palisades Charter High School
is going to reopen in a couple of weeks, which
is pretty good. Part of the campus, of course, was
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burned in the fire last year. The permanent rebuilding of
a couple of elementary schools is expected to be completed,
they said by the beginning of school for the twenty
eight school year.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Twenty nine school.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Year, we've got Venezuela news. You mentioned the two sanctioned
oil tankers linked to Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
That we have seized.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
We've also got oil news going on Trump saying Venezuela
would give US fifty million barrels of Venezuelan oil after
that operation, capturing the president there, that the oil would
be sold at market price and the proceeds would be
controlled by Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, he said that in a social media post. Of course,
the president has been focusing on these oil resources after
the military operations. The way Marco Rubio described it today,
he and p Hegseth. You may have heard our teas
about what was going on today on the show. He
and Pete Heggseth were on or are on Capitol Hill
right now to brief Senate members, House members on the operations,
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not just to get Maduro, but also what's going to
happen in the aftermath. They did mention the seizure of
these two tankers today, and then Secretary Rubio took to
the reporters out in the hallway.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
We've gone into great detail with them about the planning.
We've described it to him. In fact, it's not just
winging it. It's not just saying or speculating it's going
to happen. It's already happening, like the oil arrangement that
we've made with pay Deavesa on their sanctioned oil that
they can't move. Understand, they are not generating any revenue
from their oil right now. They can't move it unless
we allow it to move because we have sanctions, because
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we're enforcing those sanctions. This is tremendous leverage. We are
exercising it in a positive way. The President described it
last night. Secretary Will right, we'll have more to say
on it today who is involved in running this portfolio,
and we feel very positive. Then not only will that
generate revenue that will be used to the benefit of
the Venezuelan people, and we're ensure that that's what the
case is, but it also gives us an amount of
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leverage and influence and control over how this process.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There's no there's no they've made no bones about this.
Oil is what's oil is what this is about now.
I mean, the Maduro thing was a law enforcement action.
That's the way they described it, that's the way they
sold it, that's the way they were able to do
it without congressional approval, et cetera. But this now, whatever
comes next with Venezuela is entirely about the oil's run.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
While the capture may be Marco Rubio's bugaboo and his
personal interest, the oil is certainly President Trump's personal interest.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Now, Rubio did go on to say in much more
detail that the oil that will be produced they're not
making any money right now on oil is Venezuela, but
that the money that will be produced, once they get
everything up and running and they get it to I
guess up to American standards, they will that money would
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go back to Venezuela. It's their money, it's their oil.
Do we stick to that. It's hard, It's hard to tell.
But some of that sanctioned oil is the oil that
you were talking about that. Trump said that Venezuela is
going to give us those barrels of oil to sell,
and that he would be the one pulling the strings
when it comes to figuring out where that money eventually goes.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Mentioned that Greenland and Denmark want to meet with Marco
Rubio to have a hey, keep your hands off of us.
After Trump kind of said military options are not out
of play, talking about the security asset Greenland would be
to the United States. We want Mark Rubio in audience,
and he has now said that he will meet with
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Denmark about Greenland next week. Secretary of State Marco Rubio,
well p s Marco Rubio's star is shut up.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Jd Vance is down. There is he around. I haven't
seen him do anything. It'll be interesting to see how
this plays.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
That Rubio thing too. He was asked about the President's
ongoing refusal to take military action off the table when
it comes to Greenland. Yeah, basically because he says I
could whatever I want is what Trump has said. What
Marco Rubio said is the goal would be to buy
Greenland from Denmark and do it that way. So it's
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pulled back from the military threat, or at least the
discussion of military threat.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Here go.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Today we sat here.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And we talked about the developing news about fires in
the Palisades breaking out. We got a tip in the
ten o'clock hour as the first smoke was spotted. Jacob
Sobrof is going to join us when we come back.
He's got a New York Times well, he's a New
York Times bestselling author. He's got a new book coming out,
Firestorm in conjunction with the one Year, And how we
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may look at fires as we move forward, how politics
play a massive role as we saw last year in
these fires and preparation and the aftermath of as well.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Garyan Shannon will continue.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
The breaking news out of downtown Los Angeles. Nick Reiner's lawyer,
high profile defense attorney Alan Jackson, is off the case.
He will be represented Nick will by a public defender.
It is unclear why the change. Apparently the family will
be releasing a statement, which to me means that the
most likely scenario that the money didn't come through is
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probably not the case. Maybe they decided that lower profile
is the way to go. I certainly agree, especially in
this case. But we'll see.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
One year ago, of course, we were on the air
when we first started getting reports of smoke in the mountains,
the hills over the Palisades that have obviously turned into
that devastating firestorm from.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
A year ago.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Later that same day, of course, the Eaton fire out
in Altadena. We talked a little earlier this week about
Jacob Sobroff's new book called Firestorm, and Jacob joins us
now ms NOW senior political National Reporter, New York Times
bestselling author, and this new book, Firestorm. Jacob First, thanks
for taking time for us on this important anniversary.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
It's good to be with you, guys, and I'm grateful
for the invitation. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Now, you talked about how politics plays a major role
and probably will that it's a confluence between people and
politics of this new age of disaster that we're looking at.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Yeah, I did. I mean, just to back up, you know,
I couldn't comprehend in real time what I was experiencing
a year ago today to be covering on national television
the hallmarks of my childhood.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Everything I knew in the.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Palisades, literally carbonized incinerate in front of my eyeballs, and
you know, try to process that in real time, but
it's just not possible. I couldn't. And so I say,
that's right, this book to understand what had happened, you know,
to explore the questions of who's to blame or what's
to blame and will happen again? And what I realized
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is what I had experienced was not so much sort
of a time machine looking into my past, or really
a look into the future. At the fires of the future,
which is a confluence of all kinds of things. I
think people who read this book are going to read
a book that made, to some people read like a
sci fi thriller, but really it is a moment by moment,
a true story as true as true can be, about
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what it was like to be there and to experience
this as so many of us did altogether. And that
includes in the fire of the future, yes, of course,
a changing climate, yes, of course, infrastructure that is in
desperate need of repair, changes in the way we live.
I'll never forget the electric car batteries exploding, or the
firefighters telling me they think they might get cancer from
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fighting this fire. But also, as you said, the politics
at the moment, which was inescapable, whether it was misinformation
or disinformation or politicians is that, you know, all approach
this from different angles, you know, I think many people
that are listening right now would say to benefit their
own political purposes.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
When you look back, not just those those first few
days and weeks on the ground there in the Palisades,
but the months that you've spent sort of doing your
own autopsy on this, is there any one particular aspect
of it that you think back and think that was
unbelievable that that happened, whether it's water in the reservoir,
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the mayor being out of town, prepositioning or no prepositioning
of certain assets from the fire department. Is there anything
that sticks out to you as the most unbelievable thing
that contributed to this?
Speaker 6 (15:44):
I think that you know all of it. To anybody
who went through what we went through collectively as a
city and as a county thinks that everything combined is
frankly unbelievable. The idea that there could be a holdover
fire from the arsen Sire that was allegedly set on
New Year's Day and my brother lived up there and
lost the house that he was living in with my
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sister in law and her parents. They were staying there
as they were building a new house for their daughter
that was born after the fire. The Sanidaz reservoirs, you
said one hundred and seventeen million gallons, Whether or not
it would have played a part in the pressurization of
the water situation in the Palisades, of course, there are
questions that investigative journals are going to be looking into
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for months. That's not years to come. In Altadena, how
could they have had power lines on dormant towers that
were not in use, that were electrified And what were
those towers doing there in the first place, that they
weren't in use and there was a danger of them sparking,
We knew and you'll meet personally doctor Ariel Cohen and
Date Gomberg in my book, the National Weather Service meteorologists
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that predicted that particularly dangerous situation warning knowing that the
mountain wave winds would come over the Santa Monicas and
the San Gabriels and if there was an ignition or
a spark, this exact scenario was going to have happened.
Why weren't there more firefighters prepositioned? Why wasn't there more
money in the budget? I mean, all of these things
will be studied for years. What my book is, more
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than anything, is a personal story of the first two
weeks of the fire, what it was like to be there,
so that we can remember what it was like in
order to continue to ask questions like this as we all,
not just in LA but all across the country experience
events with more frequency and more intensity like the ones
that we did a year ago.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I just wonder if politicians are using this to their
advantage politically, why wouldn't they use the pre preparation to
their advantage? Why not go overboard with putting extra fire
engines when you get a forecast like this landing on
your desk.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
I trust me, I don't ever want to be in
the position of a politician evering to make those decisions
and figure out where to put you. I don't absolve
anybody mayor master being in Ghana or Gavin Newsom for
saying he's going to have a Marshall Plan two point
zero to rebuild LA and the way get a fire
said directly to me as we stood on mcmally Avenue
and Altadena. I haven't heard that by name come out.
I'm not absolving President Trump, r Elon Musk for spreading
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this information about what was happening during the fires. Frankly,
and you know people are going to hear this from
all sides of the political spectrum and disagree with one
thing or another that I'm saying. But the reality is
everybody was here and contributed in some way to whether
it was the conditions that led to the fire or
in the aftermath of the fire making the recovery more difficult,
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or even pouring rhetorical flames on the fuel on the
literal flames of the fire. That's the confluence of all
of these things that made this the cost of this
wildfire event in American history, that has made the recovery
so difficult for so many. This is the most unaffordable
city in America, in the most unaffordable state in America.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Look at the recovery.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Forty percent of people, according to these studies, are selling
that a corporate interests and send it to local Angelinos.
It's too expensive to come back. These tragedies give us
an X ray edition to see what lies beneath the surface,
the fissions in our society that make it difficult for
us sometimes as neighbors to really understand one another. And
I think now so many of them are laid there
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for us to have conversations like this, which I'm so
grateful for. And I think, you know, when people refirestorm,
they'll realize that too.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Firestorm, the Great Los Angeles Fires, America's New Age of
disaster by Jacob Soveroff. Again, thanks for thanks for hanging
out with us this morning. Jacob, I appreciate you, guys.
Thank you very much about Jacob sober off there again
ms now senior political national reporter, and again the book
is called Firestorm.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
All right.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Coming up next, we'll get into what some thought was
a massive shock eighteen years of the Baltimore Ravens and
John Harbaugh is a victim of Black Monday that turned
into Black Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You don't seem surprised. I'm not. Oh great when we
come back. Oh.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Also, the way that our our prognostications are going to
go for this weekend's wild card weekend and it's not
going to be the gas fantasy for play of usual.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
You're listening to Gary and Channon on DeMay from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
An oil tanker linked to both Russia and Venezuela has
been seized by US forces in the Atlantic. US European
Command confirmed today the seizure of the MARINERA. I love
their sauces violations of sanctions. It's set in a statement.
The vessel was seized in the North Atlantic pursuing to
a warrant issued by a US federal court after being
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tracked by a Coastguard cutter. The ship tracking data from
Marine Traffic dot Com hot website showed the tanker was
getting close to Iceland's exclusive economic zone today when it
was boarded by the American troops.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
We are awaiting a statement from the Reiner family. They
have apparently taken Alan Jackson, high profile defense attorney, off
of the case. Nick Reiner, of course in court this
morning for his arraignment, the public defender will step in
for now the case will be continued.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Nick Rener will not enter a plea today.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
If you're having change of counsel, nothing gets done. But
the family, according to TMZ, is going to release a
statement as soon as the proceedings are over, so anticipating
that what will it be. We know that Nick will
probably be pleading not guilty by reason of insanity. We
do know he was diagnosed with a form of schizophrenia
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schizo effective disorder, his meds apparently sending him off the
rails in the month before the murders. That will be
the defense that you will probably hear. Don't know if
the public defender, like I said, is a stop gap,
a temporary thing, or if this is the way they're
going to go. Alan Jackson, no stranger to publicity, has
done a number of high profile cases.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I covered a couple of.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
His cases out here when he was a DA in
Los Angeles, he did the Mickey Thompson murderers. They did
the Lot of Clarkson murder at Phil Spector's house and
he had a huge victory. Most recently in New England,
Karen Reid the trial in Boston there was she was
found not guilty for killing her boyfriend in that snowstorm.
So we will see what happens with the Reiner case.
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But that is the latest out of downtown LA. There
is also a developing story out of Minneapolis. Minnesota's governor
says the state officials are working to gather information about
a shooting involving an ICE agent or multiple ICE agents
potentially in Minneapolis. There is expected to be a news
conference coming up at the top of the hour. ICE
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agents were not hurt. Department of Homeland Security investigators called
the event a vehicle ramming incident. So we'll get some
more details about that as it comes in. Not Monday,
it's Wednesday, so very rarely do they play football games,
but there's football news to be had at John Harbaugh. Yeah,
yesterday we got the news that the Ravens have parted
ways with John Harbaugh after eighteen years Apparently the report
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from Adam Schefter was that John Harbaugh lost the locker
We'll lost Lamar Jackson and then the locker room. The
word is that the Baltimore Ravens high respect of course
for John Harbaugh, that they just thought it was time
for a change after eighteen seasons.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
It's very rare that a coach lasts eighteen season.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's good rare a coach last ten years with one
particular team. Coaches usually have a window. You get in,
you change the culture, you have the team buy in,
and then you you got to move on. But John
Harbaugh has been a fixture there in Baltimore, so it
did shock a lot of people because he's a great
coach and because the Ravens are perennially winning teams, winning
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seasons when he has been there, and that defense there
had changed the way the defense is done in the
NFL for a period of years. So he will have
a number. There are seven vacancies, well now I believe eight. No,
I think there's seven, including Baltimore head coaching vacancies. He
will have his pick of the litter. He will get
to go wherever he wants. The early indication is that
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you will probably go to New York. LANDA would be
a great spot for him. Tennessee is asking him. You know,
there's a number of coordinators as well that will enter
the head coaching conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
It is funny that Matt printed out a list of
the coaches that were fired this year and who the
potential calls are being made each team and who they
would fit, you know, the calls that they've invited for
interviews and stuff. And John Harba didn't appear on any
of them yet, but you can guarantee that he's.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Everybody's His agent says that he got a call from
every team looking for him coach yesterday, like before the
mic had dropped. The calls were made. Just a great
guy and a great coach for years there.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
So there was a baseball story too that was kind
of funny, only because it's the hapless As once again.
This this move from Oakland to Vegas by way of
West Sacramento has been a stunning miscalculation on the owner
of the A's part. Because they didn't hammer out a
deal with Oakland, they couldn't get a new park built.
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They cozied up to the people in Vegas and got
that started at least we'll see if it actually materializes.
But in the meantime, they're playing in a minor league
stadium in Sacramento now the RiverCat Stadium.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
The RiverCat Stadium, Beautiful Grassy, NOL.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
The US Patent and Trademark Office has at least for now,
denied the team's request to trademark the name Las Vegas Athletics.
The club actually can reapply, and they have I think
three months to ask for an extension to file a
new application. They were told that the nickname Athletics was
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too generic and could be confused with other activities. Even
if you associated with the Las Vegas name, it's a
ridiculous pairing. I mean, just on its face.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
For me, the brand is so not Vegas, the Athletics brand.
And maybe it's because I grew up watching Dennis Eckersley,
you know, maybe it's because I went to the coliseum
as a kid. The Raiders made sense to go to Vegas.
That is on brand for the Raiders and what they
stand for and the you know, the pirate swashbuckling lifestyle
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of the Raiders and Vegas and anything goes and we're
violent and we are you know, the A's make no
effing sense in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
The current, not the current, but at least the near
recent past of the A's was summed up by Billy
Bean and the whole moneyball era where they were trying
to get by with some of the cheapest players they could, cheapest,
most talented, and they had some success at it before that.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I mean, they had a dead period in there for
a while.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
You had what Billy Martin was their manager for a while,
and that was that would arguably be the only but
you can clame that they.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Would have been appropriate in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Even the sport law of baseball is not right for Vegas.
I can't think of a team that makes sense for Vegas.
You go to Vegas for partying and blacking out and
making bad decisions, and that's.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
What you do at football games.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
You don't go to a baseball game to do that
kind of stuff. If you go to a baseball game
to take your kids, that's not Vegas.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
The atmosphere of a casino floor is easily replicated in
an NFL stadium. Absolutely at a baseball stadium, it's awful.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
No one's gonna go out, no one's gonna go see
that a. First of all, no one went to go
see the A's when they were in Oakland. No one's
going to go travel to go see the A's and
spend time away from the casino to go to a
baseball game. It's not want to go to Vegas. Four
that's wholesome. Baseball's wholesome. Go somewhere, you know, I don't know,
not Vegas.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
They say that the two billion dollars stadium on the
Strip is currently under construction and that it is on
schedule to open in time for the twenty twenty eight season.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So we'll see this rocky road continues.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I think it's it's a dumb move, but I guess
how I mean, are you going to make fewer dollars
and you were making in Oakland?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Maybe not?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
No, And I mean there's partnership deals and the potential
for them to add. Baseball's going through a sort of
generational change in terms of how they're marketing the game.
So maybe this is sort of the forefront a renaissance,
A renaissance. When we come back a little bit more
on the fires one year ago today, including Karen Bass's
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hindsight is twenty fifteen. Apparently just incredible clarity now in
the mayor's heart.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
We'll talk about that when we come back. You've been
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Speaker 3 (28:36):
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murders in downtown Los Angeles. That's happening right now. We've
got all of the latest. When it comes to looking
back on what happened a year ago with the fire
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that wiped out the Palisades, We've got crazy things going
on with Venezuela and Capitol Hill, and now Greenland and
Denmark are summoning Marco Rubio to say, hey, don't come
after us, but will Colestreiver.
Speaker 2 (00:35):
Are you there?
Speaker 1 (00:36):
I'm here, okay, because I got in the car and
I heard a traffic report from you, and you said
that there was a truckload of porn spilled on the freeway.
Speaker 2 (00:48):
Where are we on that?
Speaker 3 (00:49):
It wasn't porn, nor with porn corn corn much more wholesome.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
But what did you say? Well, well, I did actually
say porn.
Speaker 4 (01:00):
Court.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah that was great. I was feeling a little sluggish
this morning.
Speaker 2 (01:07):
I get in the car and I wake you up.
You sure did o, you sure did so. I thank
you for that smile.
Speaker 1 (01:17):
So back to the breaking News out of downtown Los Angeles.
As we told you, the arraignment was put over for
the Reiner son who killed his parents and that he
had or the family had acquired. Alan Jackson, quite arguably
the most high profile defense attorney in the country right now,
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has handled a lot of celebrity cases, most recently the
Karen Reid case out of New England.
Speaker 2 (01:43):
Well, now this morning.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
The reports are that he's off the case, that a
public defender will take the case of Nick Reiner, and.
Speaker 2 (01:54):
Will they explain that in court? They will probably not.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
The only the most likely to Naro is the money
didn't come through, And you're saying, well, this is the
Reiner family. Of course there's money there. But I'm wondering,
now if we've talked about true crime cases where.
Speaker 2 (02:15):
You can't kill.
Speaker 1 (02:16):
Someone and then benefit financially from those murders, right or
It's very murky to me. I'm obviously not a legal scholar,
but there may be some sort of legal hang up
with the son using the money from the family trust
of the very family members he murdered. There may be
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some sort of hang up there well, and they made
if the family wants to use that money, they may
need to entangle it in whatever way you can do
that and with trust. And I don't know this either,
Thankfully I haven't had to get to this level of life.
Speaker 5 (02:56):
Trust.
Speaker 2 (02:56):
Things aren't done overnight. It's not an overnight thing.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
And you they may the family may be able to
guarantee that he would be paid and just prove to them, listen,
we have the assets and the trust. It's just a
matter of the process that goes by. You'll be paid.
It's just going to take some time and it won't
be immediate. But the other aspect of it is, is
there some amount of money that Nick Reiner had access
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to that was just given to him and I don't
know or or whatever he would have had from whatever
jobs he had. There's almost no way that he would
have enough money to cover an Aloe Jackson.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
It would have to come from the family trust.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
So but there's also potentially an advantage maybe, right, I mean,
if if part of what the defense is going to
be is he was a troubled kid, suffered from mental
illness the whole time. This was, you know, an awful
thing that happened, but he was not in control of
his faculties, that that might be sold better by a
public defender profile criminal.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
I think so.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
I think a low profile is the way to go
for any defense, especially because it came out that one
of Michelle's last emails was to somebody on death row.
This was a very liberal family that was all about
an equal defense. I guess you could make an argument
for that everybody deserves a defense kind of a situation.
(04:21):
You know, it seems like these were Innocence Project type people.
So yeah, I would argue that a public defender is
probably your best route.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
But the other thing doesn't make sense.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
For the first part about the money not coming through
is Alan Jackson knows they're.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Good for it, right, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1 (04:37):
Like, even if the trust isn't entangled for five years,
you're still going to get that money.
Speaker 2 (04:43):
It's not like he's hurting for money either.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
And I wonder if this is a decision that he makes,
or if it's a decision that somebody from the family makes,
or you know, because if that's the case, if there's
an advisor to the family that says Alan Jackson's not
your best way to go, this is your best way
to go, then you've got some somebody else of that
some legal prowess.
Speaker 2 (05:03):
That's advice.
Speaker 1 (05:04):
And that was my first thought is they had like
a consultant tell them, Hey, this is not the route
you want to go with.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
This high profile case.
Speaker 1 (05:10):
Alan Jackson goes high profile, the DA's office is going
to go high profile. Then you're going to have this
media circus and they're going to want to make a
you know, they're going to want to make a precedent
out of it. As you know, crazy rich kids can't
kill their parents and get off on it.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Who knows.
Speaker 3 (05:26):
So Nick Reiner in court today, and of course we'll
follow the information that comes out of downtown Los Angeles internationally.
A developing story that's been going on is that the
United States seized finally that oil tank or that they've
been tracking for two plus weeks. It started just off
the coast of Venezuela. This thing made its way I think.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
It was close to.
Speaker 3 (05:50):
Island or not island, Iceland, territorial waters or something. By
the time listen you went to public school, I couldn't
find Iceland on a mat of Africa. The the the
vessel itself is apparently Russian connected and Venezuelan connected. So
we're opening some new cans of worms with this one,
(06:12):
So talk about that, of course.
Speaker 2 (06:16):
Yeah, you're right. Did you have a stroke?
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Yeah, okay a little bit. You get a birthday on Monday,
you know it happens. Whoa blood fins.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
See, now you're disclosing your age. I thought we weren't
doing that.
Speaker 6 (06:28):
Why not?
Speaker 2 (06:30):
You have people can't do math?
Speaker 1 (06:31):
You had you had a rule at any of the week.
Well listen, you forgot about it.
Speaker 5 (06:37):
Forgot You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
KFI A M six forty.
Speaker 3 (06:45):
Flags at all state buildings today. I'm supposed to be
at half staff. Governor gaven Or, Governor Gavenue some declared
today a day of remembrance, of course, for the fires.
One year later, they announced that Palisades Charter High School
is going to reopen in a couple of weeks, which
is pretty good. Part of the campus, of course, was
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burned in the fire last year. The permanent rebuilding of
a couple of elementary schools is expected to be completed,
they said by the beginning of school for the twenty
eight school year.
Speaker 2 (07:16):
Twenty nine school.
Speaker 1 (07:17):
Year, we've got Venezuela news. You mentioned the two sanctioned
oil tankers linked to Venezuela.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
That we have seized.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
We've also got oil news going on Trump saying Venezuela
would give US fifty million barrels of Venezuelan oil after
that operation, capturing the president there, that the oil would
be sold at market price and the proceeds would be
controlled by Donald Trump.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
Yeah, he said that in a social media post. Of course,
the president has been focusing on these oil resources after
the military operations. The way Marco Rubio described it today,
he and p Hegseth. You may have heard our teas
about what was going on today on the show. He
and Pete Heggseth were on or are on Capitol Hill
right now to brief Senate members, House members on the operations,
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not just to get Maduro, but also what's going to
happen in the aftermath. They did mention the seizure of
these two tankers today, and then Secretary Rubio took to
the reporters out in the hallway.
Speaker 4 (08:25):
We've gone into great detail with them about the planning.
We've described it to him. In fact, it's not just
winging it. It's not just saying or speculating it's going
to happen. It's already happening, like the oil arrangement that
we've made with pay Deavesa on their sanctioned oil that
they can't move. Understand, they are not generating any revenue
from their oil right now. They can't move it unless
we allow it to move because we have sanctions, because
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we're enforcing those sanctions. This is tremendous leverage. We are
exercising it in a positive way. The President described it
last night. Secretary Will right, we'll have more to say
on it today who is involved in running this portfolio,
and we feel very positive. Then not only will that
generate revenue that will be used to the benefit of
the Venezuelan people, and we're ensure that that's what the
case is, but it also gives us an amount of
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leverage and influence and control over how this process.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
There's no there's no they've made no bones about this.
Oil is what's oil is what this is about now.
I mean, the Maduro thing was a law enforcement action.
That's the way they described it, that's the way they
sold it, that's the way they were able to do
it without congressional approval, et cetera. But this now, whatever
comes next with Venezuela is entirely about the oil's run.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
While the capture may be Marco Rubio's bugaboo and his
personal interest, the oil is certainly President Trump's personal interest.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Now, Rubio did go on to say in much more
detail that the oil that will be produced they're not
making any money right now on oil is Venezuela, but
that the money that will be produced, once they get
everything up and running and they get it to I
guess up to American standards, they will that money would
(10:04):
go back to Venezuela. It's their money, it's their oil.
Do we stick to that. It's hard, It's hard to tell.
But some of that sanctioned oil is the oil that
you were talking about that. Trump said that Venezuela is
going to give us those barrels of oil to sell,
and that he would be the one pulling the strings
when it comes to figuring out where that money eventually goes.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Mentioned that Greenland and Denmark want to meet with Marco
Rubio to have a hey, keep your hands off of us.
After Trump kind of said military options are not out
of play, talking about the security asset Greenland would be
to the United States. We want Mark Rubio in audience,
and he has now said that he will meet with
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Denmark about Greenland next week. Secretary of State Marco Rubio,
well p s Marco Rubio's star is shut up.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Jd Vance is down. There is he around. I haven't
seen him do anything. It'll be interesting to see how
this plays.
Speaker 3 (11:00):
That Rubio thing too. He was asked about the President's
ongoing refusal to take military action off the table when
it comes to Greenland. Yeah, basically because he says I
could whatever I want is what Trump has said. What
Marco Rubio said is the goal would be to buy
Greenland from Denmark and do it that way. So it's
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pulled back from the military threat, or at least the
discussion of military threat.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
Here go.
Speaker 2 (11:30):
Today we sat here.
Speaker 1 (11:31):
And we talked about the developing news about fires in
the Palisades breaking out. We got a tip in the
ten o'clock hour as the first smoke was spotted. Jacob
Sobrof is going to join us when we come back.
He's got a New York Times well, he's a New
York Times bestselling author. He's got a new book coming out,
Firestorm in conjunction with the one Year, And how we
(11:51):
may look at fires as we move forward, how politics
play a massive role as we saw last year in
these fires and preparation and the aftermath of as well.
Speaker 2 (12:03):
Garyan Shannon will continue.
Speaker 5 (12:06):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (12:12):
The breaking news out of downtown Los Angeles. Nick Reiner's lawyer,
high profile defense attorney Alan Jackson, is off the case.
He will be represented Nick will by a public defender.
It is unclear why the change. Apparently the family will
be releasing a statement, which to me means that the
most likely scenario that the money didn't come through is
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probably not the case. Maybe they decided that lower profile
is the way to go. I certainly agree, especially in
this case. But we'll see.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
One year ago, of course, we were on the air
when we first started getting reports of smoke in the mountains,
the hills over the Palisades that have obviously turned into
that devastating firestorm from.
Speaker 2 (12:54):
A year ago.
Speaker 3 (12:55):
Later that same day, of course, the Eaton fire out
in Altadena. We talked a little earlier this week about
Jacob Sobroff's new book called Firestorm, and Jacob joins us
now ms NOW senior political National Reporter, New York Times
bestselling author, and this new book, Firestorm. Jacob First, thanks
for taking time for us on this important anniversary.
Speaker 6 (13:16):
It's good to be with you, guys, and I'm grateful
for the invitation. Thanks.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
Now, you talked about how politics plays a major role
and probably will that it's a confluence between people and
politics of this new age of disaster that we're looking at.
Speaker 6 (13:31):
Yeah, I did. I mean, just to back up, you know,
I couldn't comprehend in real time what I was experiencing
a year ago today to be covering on national television
the hallmarks of my childhood.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
Everything I knew in the.
Speaker 6 (13:48):
Palisades, literally carbonized incinerate in front of my eyeballs, and
you know, try to process that in real time, but
it's just not possible. I couldn't. And so I say,
that's right, this book to understand what had happened, you know,
to explore the questions of who's to blame or what's
to blame and will happen again? And what I realized
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is what I had experienced was not so much sort
of a time machine looking into my past, or really
a look into the future. At the fires of the future,
which is a confluence of all kinds of things. I
think people who read this book are going to read
a book that made, to some people read like a
sci fi thriller, but really it is a moment by moment,
a true story as true as true can be, about
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what it was like to be there and to experience
this as so many of us did altogether. And that
includes in the fire of the future, yes, of course,
a changing climate, yes, of course, infrastructure that is in
desperate need of repair, changes in the way we live.
I'll never forget the electric car batteries exploding, or the
firefighters telling me they think they might get cancer from
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fighting this fire. But also, as you said, the politics
at the moment, which was inescapable, whether it was misinformation
or disinformation or politicians is that, you know, all approach
this from different angles, you know, I think many people
that are listening right now would say to benefit their
own political purposes.
Speaker 3 (15:09):
When you look back, not just those those first few
days and weeks on the ground there in the Palisades,
but the months that you've spent sort of doing your
own autopsy on this, is there any one particular aspect
of it that you think back and think that was
unbelievable that that happened, whether it's water in the reservoir,
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the mayor being out of town, prepositioning or no prepositioning
of certain assets from the fire department. Is there anything
that sticks out to you as the most unbelievable thing
that contributed to this?
Speaker 6 (15:44):
I think that you know all of it. To anybody
who went through what we went through collectively as a
city and as a county thinks that everything combined is
frankly unbelievable. The idea that there could be a holdover
fire from the arsen Sire that was allegedly set on
New Year's Day and my brother lived up there and
lost the house that he was living in with my
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sister in law and her parents. They were staying there
as they were building a new house for their daughter
that was born after the fire. The Sanidaz reservoirs, you
said one hundred and seventeen million gallons, Whether or not
it would have played a part in the pressurization of
the water situation in the Palisades, of course, there are
questions that investigative journals are going to be looking into
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for months. That's not years to come. In Altadena, how
could they have had power lines on dormant towers that
were not in use, that were electrified And what were
those towers doing there in the first place, that they
weren't in use and there was a danger of them sparking,
We knew and you'll meet personally doctor Ariel Cohen and
Date Gomberg in my book, the National Weather Service meteorologists
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that predicted that particularly dangerous situation warning knowing that the
mountain wave winds would come over the Santa Monicas and
the San Gabriels and if there was an ignition or
a spark, this exact scenario was going to have happened.
Why weren't there more firefighters prepositioned? Why wasn't there more
money in the budget? I mean, all of these things
will be studied for years. What my book is, more
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than anything, is a personal story of the first two
weeks of the fire, what it was like to be there,
so that we can remember what it was like in
order to continue to ask questions like this as we all,
not just in LA but all across the country experience
events with more frequency and more intensity like the ones
that we did a year ago.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I just wonder if politicians are using this to their
advantage politically, why wouldn't they use the pre preparation to
their advantage? Why not go overboard with putting extra fire
engines when you get a forecast like this landing on
your desk.
Speaker 6 (17:42):
I trust me, I don't ever want to be in
the position of a politician evering to make those decisions
and figure out where to put you. I don't absolve
anybody mayor master being in Ghana or Gavin Newsom for
saying he's going to have a Marshall Plan two point
zero to rebuild LA and the way get a fire
said directly to me as we stood on mcmally Avenue
and Altadena. I haven't heard that by name come out.
I'm not absolving President Trump, r Elon Musk for spreading
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this information about what was happening during the fires. Frankly,
and you know people are going to hear this from
all sides of the political spectrum and disagree with one
thing or another that I'm saying. But the reality is
everybody was here and contributed in some way to whether
it was the conditions that led to the fire or
in the aftermath of the fire making the recovery more difficult,
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or even pouring rhetorical flames on the fuel on the
literal flames of the fire. That's the confluence of all
of these things that made this the cost of this
wildfire event in American history, that has made the recovery
so difficult for so many. This is the most unaffordable
city in America, in the most unaffordable state in America.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
Look at the recovery.
Speaker 6 (18:46):
Forty percent of people, according to these studies, are selling
that a corporate interests and send it to local Angelinos.
It's too expensive to come back. These tragedies give us
an X ray edition to see what lies beneath the surface,
the fissions in our society that make it difficult for
us sometimes as neighbors to really understand one another. And
I think now so many of them are laid there
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for us to have conversations like this, which I'm so
grateful for. And I think, you know, when people refirestorm,
they'll realize that too.
Speaker 3 (19:13):
Firestorm, the Great Los Angeles Fires, America's New Age of
disaster by Jacob Soveroff. Again, thanks for thanks for hanging
out with us this morning. Jacob, I appreciate you, guys.
Thank you very much about Jacob sober off there again
ms now senior political national reporter, and again the book
is called Firestorm.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
All right.
Speaker 1 (19:29):
Coming up next, we'll get into what some thought was
a massive shock eighteen years of the Baltimore Ravens and
John Harbaugh is a victim of Black Monday that turned
into Black Tuesday.
Speaker 2 (19:42):
You don't seem surprised. I'm not. Oh great when we
come back. Oh.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
Also, the way that our our prognostications are going to
go for this weekend's wild card weekend and it's not
going to be the gas fantasy for play of usual.
Speaker 5 (19:57):
You're listening to Gary and Channon on DeMay from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (20:05):
An oil tanker linked to both Russia and Venezuela has
been seized by US forces in the Atlantic. US European
Command confirmed today the seizure of the MARINERA. I love
their sauces violations of sanctions. It's set in a statement.
The vessel was seized in the North Atlantic pursuing to
a warrant issued by a US federal court after being
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tracked by a Coastguard cutter. The ship tracking data from
Marine Traffic dot Com hot website showed the tanker was
getting close to Iceland's exclusive economic zone today when it
was boarded by the American troops.
Speaker 1 (20:42):
We are awaiting a statement from the Reiner family. They
have apparently taken Alan Jackson, high profile defense attorney, off
of the case. Nick Reiner, of course in court this
morning for his arraignment, the public defender will step in
for now the case will be continued.
Speaker 2 (21:04):
Nick Rener will not enter a plea today.
Speaker 1 (21:06):
If you're having change of counsel, nothing gets done. But
the family, according to TMZ, is going to release a
statement as soon as the proceedings are over, so anticipating
that what will it be. We know that Nick will
probably be pleading not guilty by reason of insanity. We
do know he was diagnosed with a form of schizophrenia
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schizo effective disorder, his meds apparently sending him off the
rails in the month before the murders. That will be
the defense that you will probably hear. Don't know if
the public defender, like I said, is a stop gap,
a temporary thing, or if this is the way they're
going to go. Alan Jackson, no stranger to publicity, has
done a number of high profile cases.
Speaker 2 (21:47):
I covered a couple of.
Speaker 1 (21:47):
His cases out here when he was a DA in
Los Angeles, he did the Mickey Thompson murderers. They did
the Lot of Clarkson murder at Phil Spector's house and
he had a huge victory. Most recently in New England,
Karen Reid the trial in Boston there was she was
found not guilty for killing her boyfriend in that snowstorm.
So we will see what happens with the Reiner case.
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But that is the latest out of downtown LA. There
is also a developing story out of Minneapolis. Minnesota's governor
says the state officials are working to gather information about
a shooting involving an ICE agent or multiple ICE agents
potentially in Minneapolis. There is expected to be a news
conference coming up at the top of the hour. ICE
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agents were not hurt. Department of Homeland Security investigators called
the event a vehicle ramming incident. So we'll get some
more details about that as it comes in. Not Monday,
it's Wednesday, so very rarely do they play football games,
but there's football news to be had at John Harbaugh. Yeah,
yesterday we got the news that the Ravens have parted
ways with John Harbaugh after eighteen years Apparently the report
(22:56):
from Adam Schefter was that John Harbaugh lost the locker
We'll lost Lamar Jackson and then the locker room. The
word is that the Baltimore Ravens high respect of course
for John Harbaugh, that they just thought it was time
for a change after eighteen seasons.
Speaker 2 (23:11):
It's very rare that a coach lasts eighteen season.
Speaker 1 (23:14):
It's good rare a coach last ten years with one
particular team. Coaches usually have a window. You get in,
you change the culture, you have the team buy in,
and then you you got to move on. But John
Harbaugh has been a fixture there in Baltimore, so it
did shock a lot of people because he's a great
coach and because the Ravens are perennially winning teams, winning
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seasons when he has been there, and that defense there
had changed the way the defense is done in the
NFL for a period of years. So he will have
a number. There are seven vacancies, well now I believe eight. No,
I think there's seven, including Baltimore head coaching vacancies. He
will have his pick of the litter. He will get
to go wherever he wants. The early indication is that
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you will probably go to New York. LANDA would be
a great spot for him. Tennessee is asking him. You know,
there's a number of coordinators as well that will enter
the head coaching conversation.
Speaker 3 (24:09):
It is funny that Matt printed out a list of
the coaches that were fired this year and who the
potential calls are being made each team and who they
would fit, you know, the calls that they've invited for
interviews and stuff. And John Harba didn't appear on any
of them yet, but you can guarantee that he's.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
Everybody's His agent says that he got a call from
every team looking for him coach yesterday, like before the
mic had dropped. The calls were made. Just a great
guy and a great coach for years there.
Speaker 3 (24:37):
So there was a baseball story too that was kind
of funny, only because it's the hapless As once again.
This this move from Oakland to Vegas by way of
West Sacramento has been a stunning miscalculation on the owner
of the A's part. Because they didn't hammer out a
deal with Oakland, they couldn't get a new park built.
(25:00):
They cozied up to the people in Vegas and got
that started at least we'll see if it actually materializes.
But in the meantime, they're playing in a minor league
stadium in Sacramento now the RiverCat Stadium.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
The RiverCat Stadium, Beautiful Grassy, NOL.
Speaker 3 (25:14):
The US Patent and Trademark Office has at least for now,
denied the team's request to trademark the name Las Vegas Athletics.
The club actually can reapply, and they have I think
three months to ask for an extension to file a
new application. They were told that the nickname Athletics was
(25:38):
too generic and could be confused with other activities. Even
if you associated with the Las Vegas name, it's a
ridiculous pairing. I mean, just on its face.
Speaker 1 (25:50):
For me, the brand is so not Vegas, the Athletics brand.
And maybe it's because I grew up watching Dennis Eckersley,
you know, maybe it's because I went to the coliseum
as a kid. The Raiders made sense to go to Vegas.
That is on brand for the Raiders and what they
stand for and the you know, the pirate swashbuckling lifestyle
(26:12):
of the Raiders and Vegas and anything goes and we're
violent and we are you know, the A's make no
effing sense in Las Vegas.
Speaker 3 (26:22):
The current, not the current, but at least the near
recent past of the A's was summed up by Billy
Bean and the whole moneyball era where they were trying
to get by with some of the cheapest players they could, cheapest,
most talented, and they had some success at it before that.
Speaker 2 (26:39):
I mean, they had a dead period in there for
a while.
Speaker 3 (26:43):
You had what Billy Martin was their manager for a while,
and that was that would arguably be the only but
you can clame that they.
Speaker 2 (26:51):
Would have been appropriate in Vegas.
Speaker 1 (26:52):
Even the sport law of baseball is not right for Vegas.
I can't think of a team that makes sense for Vegas.
You go to Vegas for partying and blacking out and
making bad decisions, and that's.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
What you do at football games.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
You don't go to a baseball game to do that
kind of stuff. If you go to a baseball game
to take your kids, that's not Vegas.
Speaker 3 (27:11):
The atmosphere of a casino floor is easily replicated in
an NFL stadium. Absolutely at a baseball stadium, it's awful.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
No one's gonna go out, no one's gonna go see
that a. First of all, no one went to go
see the A's when they were in Oakland. No one's
going to go travel to go see the A's and
spend time away from the casino to go to a
baseball game. It's not want to go to Vegas. Four
that's wholesome. Baseball's wholesome. Go somewhere, you know, I don't know,
not Vegas.
Speaker 3 (27:39):
They say that the two billion dollars stadium on the
Strip is currently under construction and that it is on
schedule to open in time for the twenty twenty eight season.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
So we'll see this rocky road continues.
Speaker 1 (27:54):
I think it's it's a dumb move, but I guess
how I mean, are you going to make fewer dollars
and you were making in Oakland?
Speaker 2 (28:01):
Maybe not?
Speaker 3 (28:02):
No, And I mean there's partnership deals and the potential
for them to add. Baseball's going through a sort of
generational change in terms of how they're marketing the game.
So maybe this is sort of the forefront a renaissance,
A renaissance. When we come back a little bit more
on the fires one year ago today, including Karen Bass's
(28:24):
hindsight is twenty fifteen. Apparently just incredible clarity now in
the mayor's heart.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
We'll talk about that when we come back. You've been
listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (28:36):
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