May 5, 2025 • 21 mins
Paramedics vividly recounted the harrowing scene after the lifeless body of John O'Keefe was discovered at 34 Fairview in Karen Read Trail. In a separate startling incident, a naked inmate caused quite a stir at the Men's Central Jail in Los Angeles County, leaving everyone bewildered. Meanwhile, a remarkable twist in a decades-long mystery has emerged: 82-year-old Audrey Backeberg, who vanished without a trace in July 1962 at just 20 years old, has finally been found living out of state. However, the sheriff's office has chosen to keep the exact location under wraps, adding an air of intrigue to her unexpected return.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
We talked about the Karen Reid re trial.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is the woman from Massachusetts accused of killing her
cop boyfriend or Boston cop boyfriend, John O'Keefe. Apparently there
were some heated testimony from a star witness for the prosecution.
This was a disaster for the prosecution the first go around.
The prosecution maintains that Karen Reid and her boyfriend John
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went out drinking with friends. They got into a fight,
like they were wont to do, She hit him with
her car, took off, He died in the snow from
his injuries. She maintains, yes, they went out drinking with friends,
Yes they got into a bit of a fight, but
she left and that maybe it was a fight that
he had with his friends that left him dead in
the snow. Maybe it was a fight he had with
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his friend's dog that gave him those injuries. It certainly
wasn't her in her vehicle. Some around the prosecutor was
weak stream at best. He was awful, He was wordy,
He rarely landed a point and just did not connect
any of the dots. Karen Reid hired Alan Jackson, who
has a lot of experience in high profile trials right
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here in Los Angeles. And now the star witness again
is Jennifer McCabe. Jennifer McCabe is a credible witness. She
is a friend, a successful woman. She went out drinking
with a couple the night before John died. She testified
that Karen Reid confessed to hitting John with her car,
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that then Karen left the scene, leaving John for dead
in the snow.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, this is this is the part.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
She's also as much as she's a credible witness, she
may be valuable to the defense too, because, like you said,
the defenses argue that Karen Reid was framed for all
of this. The text messages that Jennifer McCabe sent in
the aftermath of the guy's death showed that she helped
cover up how he died.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
They pressed her about records.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
It showed her phone she was doing searches for how
long to die in cold the very morning that this
guy was supposedly lying out in the front yard of
the house.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So that text message in particular can be viewed in
two ways. This witness Jennifer McCabe, the friend was in
that home where all the friends went back to after
the night of drinking. So there's a group of friends,
I think six or eight and they're all at different
bars and they all go back to this house and
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this is a form another cops house, and they all
continued drinking or whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
This is where Karen Reid leaves. She leaves that house.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
They maintained that she hit John with her car then
left the house, and she maintains that something went on
in that house after she left and that's how he
ended up dead. That text message from Jennifer, who was
inside the house, could be seen in two ways. It
could be seen in one way as Jennifer knows that
her husband and his buddies got into it with John
beat him up and that he's in the snow, and
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on response of how long to die in the snow,
she's googling. It could also be that she's texting her
friend Karen, who says, I hit him with my car.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I think he's in the snow.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Could also be Jennifer turning to Google and saying how
long to die in the snow? In that case too,
so that text message kind of gets thrown out because
it could be viewed out of context without any other
text messages the other cannot.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Really there were other witnesses that were there, that were
in the neighborhood the night that this happened. Heather max
And said she saw a woman driving a man in
the front passenger seat of an suv, but didn't recognize
either person, and then her boyfriend also says that he
saw a woman in the driver's seat of the suv.
The interior dome light was on, but it was too
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brief to identify her. And they never saw anyone getting
out of the suv. They never saw anybody on the
lawn or going into the home while they were parked outside.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Here's my question if she did hit him, because when
she arrives on the scene, and this is dashboard video
that I saw and heard, she does say I hit him,
I hit him things like that if she hit him
with her suv and his injuries, by the way, looked
much different than it would be. And I I am
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no expert, but looked much different than if you suffered
fatal injuries from a car hitting you.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Those were not the injuries that he had.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
It's very odd well, and it wasn't. It wasn't a
high speed crash, right. It was supposedly that he crushed
it or crush.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Tail light that was damaged in this alleged collision. She
maintains she was leaving the house the next morning and
ran into something and that's how the tail light ended
up broken. But even if she hit him with her car,
only the impact to the tail light being busted out,
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is that enough to kill him? How much did a
role of this the blizzard play. How much of a
role did his drunkenness play. What kind of physical state
was he in when this happened? I mean all of
these things in totality, everyone could be telling the truth here.
He could have gotten into a fight with his buddies
after she hit him with her car, you know what
I mean. It's not black or white. It could be
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a variety of these things.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And in those cases she walks, right, I think, I mean, if.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
There's that much that that is.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That a conversation they have in the defense room.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Of suppose we say, yeah, she hit him with the
car and she left, that did kill him. There's a
number of choices he made up until that point that
played a role.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
We'll see how they do handle this again for the
second Karen, reason why.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Nobody calls this show? You know, we should be in
the focus group.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
That's an awful idea.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's really why would you say that?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I just feel liked.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I would think by the way, we ran out of
time and now we're out of time again. I had
a commentary about what I think how you would handle
first dates.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
We're taken what is the best question for a first date?
Speaker 5 (06:18):
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AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I think you would be very good at first dates
because I don't think that people like to be asked
a lot of questions by somebody that they don't know
that well right off the bat. I think that you're
very receptive and you're a good listener, so if somebody
offers something, you will ask a follow up like say
that again, but which I think is important. You know,
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I think the listening is the key and the first
date maybe not just the rapid fire of questions that
would be off putting to me.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I've said this.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Before that speaking like public speaking, obviously is not something
that induces fear in me.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I don't get stage fright.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Small group speaking can be terrifying, and at one on
one the worst, really the worst if it's a stranger.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
If I don't know something, the awkwardness of what do
you say and how do you say it? And we
want to do you want to do the thing you
want to say, the things that make you impressive or
acceptable or whatever work.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, I am also awful.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
We've done this together where we've been awful in front
of new people together, where we just say completely wrong things. Yeah,
we kind of trade off of saying wrong things.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Well, it's because your friends.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I hate to see you feel awkward, So then I'll
say something that and I feel like a total ass.
And I'm just going to go ahead and see what
he's doing. And now you double down on it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, I'm just going to go ahead and give the
most recent example of this.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I do not look good in this story.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I know where this is going.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I think we were at a place with new people
and somebody who works with us was being super nice.
She doesn't work with us, she works at another station
in the same building, super like Well, accomplished, highly respected woman.
And she said something to she invited us to an event,
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and it's an event that you know it's not going
to be possible for us to go.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
We wouldn't want to go to the event. Okay, well
to say it, we won't want to go to the event.
And Gary says. As she's talking to Gary, Gary goes.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You should totally go to this event and throwing me
under the bus.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And I said, oh, what.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Are you guys talking about? And I said when is
the event? And she says, oh, it's Mother's Day. And
I said, you should go to the event. Gary, your
mother's dead.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I mean, who behaves like that?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It was it was like it was awful, and no, like,
of course, it's not funny.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It's not like it's just us.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
We're just mfing each other in public in front of
new people.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Like how awkward. It was awful? Awful.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
It's a good thing our spouses keep us. That's all
I have to say. But let us know what, you.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Should go your mom's dead.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
What an idiot? And then she just looked at us like.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Well she didn't know.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Well that's how it was the first interaction she's ever
had with the both of us at the same time,
which admittedly can be a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah. So yeah, let us.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Know what is I haven't left the house since.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
The best first Date question.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Yeah, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
KFI AM six forty awful.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Scene outside of Tory Hines Beach, Tory Pines State Beach.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Three people killed, four injured, nine more missing after a
small boat overturned early this morning. A doctor hiking nearby
there Tory Pines State Beach called that I see people
doing CPR on the beach. I'm running that way. It
was a twelve foot boat. They don't know where it
was coming from before it flipped early this morning.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Did you see this crazy story about the naked guy
stuck on an air vent on and Men's Central Jail?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
You know I did, and it gave me a little
hope for those on the inside.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
What's the hope? What tell me? I'd like to know
what your hope is now for this what?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, you can still have a fun weekend, you can
still get a little crazy. You can find yourself hoisted
up against the ceiling naked to where people have to
rescue you with a ladder. The fact that you can
still have that kind of fun, that liberation inside.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Uh, that's good for them.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
This guy, and it's hard to describe adequately what is
going on here. There appears to be an air vent
or something like that high above the floor of the jail,
and it's up just a slick cement wall there and
it's probably, you know, based on the latt it's probably
ten feet off the ground. And then there's a small
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space between that air box the vent that's in a box,
and there's a small space between that and the razor
wire just above him. And I'm talking maybe twelve fourteen
sixteen inches something like that. And this guy is laying
jojo down on top of that vent with his double
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hams exposed to the razor wa.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
It's almost like he's trying to have sex with the
mounted vent. I didn't think of about that, something about
that vent that spoke to him. I'm got to get
on top of that vent.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Now if it's warm.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
If you're one of the members of the La County
Sheriff's Department Special Enforcement Bureau and you're called to the
scene of a naked guy, you've got a story stuck
between an air vent and razor wire.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You have a story, don't you.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
They said that, uh, he suffers your mental illness.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Guys, Well that's a.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Huge How does he get up there is my question,
because they have to put a ladder up there to
reach him because the vent is probably what nine feet
off the ten feet off the floor? There on a
mounted on the wall, and he's on top of it.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
That wall to the left of the picture there.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Oh, it's a bit of a gate, doesn't it, so
he could climate.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, it looks like it's a tight chain link kind
of fence or water Gary, you have a penis?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Go on?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Is that fair to assume that? Okay? Why is he
up there with his penis exposed?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Well, you just said, do.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You think it's because of the warmth of the vent?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Well, I don't know about the warmth of the event.
It may have been a cooler air vent. I just
think that he well, it's a chili weekend. I would
assume it was, kay, And genitals get cold from time
to time, do they?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Sure? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I'm just surprised he took all If you wanted to
warm his genitals, if that was the endgame here, why
would you take off all your clothes? Before climbing the
gate to get on top of the vent.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Uh man, I wish I had an adequate answer for that.
I don't think I don't think I could scrounch one up. Okay,
there's something going on in this guy's life where he
felt like that, he felt like that was a good choice.
Have you ever felt like I just need to be naked? Sure,
okay while in jail. Right, No, it's usually against my will.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It's usually against your will.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, what do you mean if I am naked in jail?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I see, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeah, I'm also in jail against my will. Right, and
then then that's two wills that are against you.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Fancy yourself pretty?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You fancy you?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Fancy yourself a pretty hot commodity.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Don't you think that people you're gonna go to jail
and people just want to take your clothes off?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Look at all this?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You think you're andy duframe? Suddenly? Yes, I give you
one compliment.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I think I have an acceptable jail body.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Gary Shannon will continue we have.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
A great story coming up next, I hope.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
So, yeah, which one?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
How did we miss this?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
What did we do? You gave me a compliment that
that lasted a segment. My compliment lasted an entire segment. Yeah,
all right, we'll do the woman. A missing woman for
sixty three years has been found.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Okay, it's good news.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi A.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I know that you've been trying to keep this inside
and not talk about it, but I know you're just
bubbling under the surface with excitement.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Is this the Megan Markle next podcast is coming out?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
No, but it's a close second.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
The biggest night in fashion tonight in New York City
the Met the Met Gala. The theme this year, I'm
sure you already now is super fine tailoring black styles.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah, listen, I get all this stuff. I'm pretty hip
on when it comes to the Met Gala. Tomorrow is
going to be rough tomorrow. I mean, I don't even
know if I'm gonna be able to do the show.
I'll just be talking red carpet fashion all day, like
who wore what? Stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So I was kidding when I said, I bet you
already know this about the theme.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
And if you haven't read that interview by Anna Wintour
in was it New Yorker.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It's really fascinating. Sorry to take the wind out of
your sales. Sit sure did, can't help do me?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I thought it was god.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
H Audrey back a Bigger, back a Bigger was twenty
years old when she disappeared from Reedsburg, Wisconsin, back in
July of nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Do you think she was just pissed off that her
last name is back a Bigger, backup big to.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Get a new name, a new identity.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
On Thursday, the Sauk County Sheriff's Office announced they found
Audrey alive.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
And well, folks, people go missing on their own volition.
They want to go missing. They do not want their life.
They don't kill anybody. They just take off and they
should be applauded for it.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Mean, people should just go missing instead of killing their
spouse or whoever else that's interesting for their kids or whatever.
Just take off. You've you've got, you're unhappy and you're marriage.
You want to go run away with your judo instructor, lover,
go do that.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Don't hire a hitman to leave a body in your wake.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Was that a gizelle bunch in reference, No, it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Was just it was I was trying to remember what
that instructor was, the hairdresser's wife who killed him.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh, I was a racketball.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Racketball. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
The Wisconsin Missing Person's Advocacy Organization everybody knows the WUMPA
has said that Audrey married her husband, Ronald, when she
was just fifteen years old, and that the reason Audrey
left five years later was because the marriage was riddled
with abuse, and her family insisted that Audrey would never
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have abandoned her kits.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
She had two kids at the time.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
How old were they They couldn't have been more than well,
it couldn't have been more than five years old, so toddlers, young,
very young children. A detective for the Sauk County Sheriff's
Office had reopened Audrey's case in March for a comprehensive review,
part of an ongoing examination of the cold case files
that they periodically did, and he said, I just I
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think she was just removed and moved on from things
and kind of did her own thing and led her life.
And she sounded happy, confident in her decision, no regrets.
And that's because he was able to track her down
and have a phone conversation with her. She had filed
a criminal complaint claiming that her husband had beaten her
and threatened to kill her. Just days before she took off,
There was a fourteen year old babysitter for the couple
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who told police that she was She hitchhiked to Madison,
Wisconsin with Audrey and then took a bus to Indianapolis,
and the fourteen year old decided to return home and
claim the last time she saw Audrey was at a
bus stop there in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
The interview.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
That juvenile, who was fourteen at the time, was interviewed
again from ten to fifteen years ago and said that
Audrey had taken a bunch of pills and put him
in a coke can and drank it before she took
the bus down to Indianapolis. The Sauk County Sheriff's office
said they looked at numerous leads over the years, but
the case went unsolved for decades. Then this detective Hanson
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was assigned the case and did a reevaluation reinterview and
actually used genetic genealogy, tracked down a sister on ancestry
dot Com ultimately came up with an address called the
Sheriff's department in the local town and said, hey, could
you do a wellness check on this woman? I think
it might be our missing person from sixty three years ago.
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And it turns out ten minutes later, Audrey gets on
the phone and talks to the detective and they talked
for about forty five minutes, and the detective didn't say
specifically where she was, but said that it was likely
that the abusive husband played a role in her initial
decision to leave, but that at this time she had
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no regrets.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
So, and you're right, it ends up. It ends better
than I mean.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Granted, I don't know what happened to the kids, and
that'd probably be an interesting to track them down and
see what happened to them. The husband, by the way,
passed a polygraph test back in the day and swore
that he never did anything to her, never heard her,
never abused her.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I wonder how many how often that happens, that people
just take off.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, it's got to be common.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
But I mean to the point where, listen, you had
never heard of Audrey Brackenberger until they find her. Right,
how many thousands of missing persons cases are out there
that we'll never know of?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Right?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I came across a story and maybe we could do
it for True Crime Tuesday. Have you ever heard of
the name Catherine Knight? No, here is the headline. After
she stabbed and skinned her husband. Police found a stew
on the stove and plates set for the kids.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yea, maybe we'll get into that tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Great.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
How if that sounds great, I'll send it to you
right now. Keana sounds good and recipes too.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
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which is all new stuff that we didn't do during
the rest of the week.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
We set the plates for the kids.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
We talked about the Karen Reid re trial.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
This is the woman from Massachusetts accused of killing her
cop boyfriend or Boston cop boyfriend, John O'Keefe. Apparently there
were some heated testimony from a star witness for the prosecution.
This was a disaster for the prosecution the first go around.
The prosecution maintains that Karen Reid and her boyfriend John
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went out drinking with friends. They got into a fight,
like they were wont to do, She hit him with
her car, took off, He died in the snow from
his injuries. She maintains, yes, they went out drinking with friends,
Yes they got into a bit of a fight, but
she left and that maybe it was a fight that
he had with his friends that left him dead in
the snow. Maybe it was a fight he had with
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his friend's dog that gave him those injuries. It certainly
wasn't her in her vehicle. Some around the prosecutor was
weak stream at best. He was awful, He was wordy,
He rarely landed a point and just did not connect
any of the dots. Karen Reid hired Alan Jackson, who
has a lot of experience in high profile trials right
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here in Los Angeles. And now the star witness again
is Jennifer McCabe. Jennifer McCabe is a credible witness. She
is a friend, a successful woman. She went out drinking
with a couple the night before John died. She testified
that Karen Reid confessed to hitting John with her car,
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that then Karen left the scene, leaving John for dead
in the snow.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, this is this is the part.
Speaker 4 (01:50):
She's also as much as she's a credible witness, she
may be valuable to the defense too, because, like you said,
the defenses argue that Karen Reid was framed for all
of this. The text messages that Jennifer McCabe sent in
the aftermath of the guy's death showed that she helped
cover up how he died.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
They pressed her about records.
Speaker 4 (02:15):
It showed her phone she was doing searches for how
long to die in cold the very morning that this
guy was supposedly lying out in the front yard of
the house.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
So that text message in particular can be viewed in
two ways. This witness Jennifer McCabe, the friend was in
that home where all the friends went back to after
the night of drinking. So there's a group of friends,
I think six or eight and they're all at different
bars and they all go back to this house and
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this is a form another cops house, and they all
continued drinking or whatever.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
This is where Karen Reid leaves. She leaves that house.
Speaker 1 (02:55):
They maintained that she hit John with her car then
left the house, and she maintains that something went on
in that house after she left and that's how he
ended up dead. That text message from Jennifer, who was
inside the house, could be seen in two ways. It
could be seen in one way as Jennifer knows that
her husband and his buddies got into it with John
beat him up and that he's in the snow, and
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on response of how long to die in the snow,
she's googling. It could also be that she's texting her
friend Karen, who says, I hit him with my car.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I think he's in the snow.
Speaker 1 (03:26):
Could also be Jennifer turning to Google and saying how
long to die in the snow? In that case too,
so that text message kind of gets thrown out because
it could be viewed out of context without any other
text messages the other cannot.
Speaker 4 (03:39):
Really there were other witnesses that were there, that were
in the neighborhood the night that this happened. Heather max
And said she saw a woman driving a man in
the front passenger seat of an suv, but didn't recognize
either person, and then her boyfriend also says that he
saw a woman in the driver's seat of the suv.
The interior dome light was on, but it was too
(04:01):
brief to identify her. And they never saw anyone getting
out of the suv. They never saw anybody on the
lawn or going into the home while they were parked outside.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Here's my question if she did hit him, because when
she arrives on the scene, and this is dashboard video
that I saw and heard, she does say I hit him,
I hit him things like that if she hit him
with her suv and his injuries, by the way, looked
much different than it would be. And I I am
(04:30):
no expert, but looked much different than if you suffered
fatal injuries from a car hitting you.
Speaker 2 (04:35):
Those were not the injuries that he had.
Speaker 3 (04:37):
It's very odd well, and it wasn't. It wasn't a
high speed crash, right. It was supposedly that he crushed
it or crush.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
Tail light that was damaged in this alleged collision. She
maintains she was leaving the house the next morning and
ran into something and that's how the tail light ended
up broken. But even if she hit him with her car,
only the impact to the tail light being busted out,
(05:05):
is that enough to kill him? How much did a
role of this the blizzard play. How much of a
role did his drunkenness play. What kind of physical state
was he in when this happened? I mean all of
these things in totality, everyone could be telling the truth here.
He could have gotten into a fight with his buddies
after she hit him with her car, you know what
I mean. It's not black or white. It could be
(05:27):
a variety of these things.
Speaker 4 (05:28):
And in those cases she walks, right, I think, I mean, if.
Speaker 3 (05:34):
There's that much that that is.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
That a conversation they have in the defense room.
Speaker 1 (05:40):
Of suppose we say, yeah, she hit him with the
car and she left, that did kill him. There's a
number of choices he made up until that point that
played a role.
Speaker 2 (05:51):
So I don't know.
Speaker 4 (05:52):
We'll see how they do handle this again for the
second Karen, reason why.
Speaker 1 (05:57):
Nobody calls this show? You know, we should be in
the focus group.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
That's an awful idea.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
That's really why would you say that?
Speaker 3 (06:04):
I just feel liked.
Speaker 1 (06:06):
I would think by the way, we ran out of
time and now we're out of time again. I had
a commentary about what I think how you would handle
first dates.
Speaker 3 (06:13):
We're taken what is the best question for a first date?
Speaker 5 (06:18):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (06:24):
I think you would be very good at first dates
because I don't think that people like to be asked
a lot of questions by somebody that they don't know
that well right off the bat. I think that you're
very receptive and you're a good listener, so if somebody
offers something, you will ask a follow up like say
that again, but which I think is important. You know,
(06:47):
I think the listening is the key and the first
date maybe not just the rapid fire of questions that
would be off putting to me.
Speaker 3 (06:54):
I've said this.
Speaker 4 (06:55):
Before that speaking like public speaking, obviously is not something
that induces fear in me.
Speaker 3 (07:01):
I don't get stage fright.
Speaker 4 (07:03):
Small group speaking can be terrifying, and at one on
one the worst, really the worst if it's a stranger.
Speaker 3 (07:14):
That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (07:16):
If I don't know something, the awkwardness of what do
you say and how do you say it? And we
want to do you want to do the thing you
want to say, the things that make you impressive or
acceptable or whatever work.
Speaker 2 (07:28):
Yeah, I am also awful.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
We've done this together where we've been awful in front
of new people together, where we just say completely wrong things. Yeah,
we kind of trade off of saying wrong things.
Speaker 3 (07:41):
Well, it's because your friends.
Speaker 4 (07:43):
I hate to see you feel awkward, So then I'll
say something that and I feel like a total ass.
And I'm just going to go ahead and see what
he's doing. And now you double down on it.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
Yeah, I'm just going to go ahead and give the
most recent example of this.
Speaker 2 (07:56):
And I do not look good in this story.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
I know where this is going.
Speaker 1 (08:00):
I think we were at a place with new people
and somebody who works with us was being super nice.
She doesn't work with us, she works at another station
in the same building, super like Well, accomplished, highly respected woman.
And she said something to she invited us to an event,
(08:24):
and it's an event that you know it's not going
to be possible for us to go.
Speaker 2 (08:31):
We wouldn't want to go to the event. Okay, well
to say it, we won't want to go to the event.
And Gary says. As she's talking to Gary, Gary goes.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
You should totally go to this event and throwing me
under the bus.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
And I said, oh, what.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Are you guys talking about? And I said when is
the event? And she says, oh, it's Mother's Day. And
I said, you should go to the event. Gary, your
mother's dead.
Speaker 2 (08:57):
I mean, who behaves like that?
Speaker 1 (09:00):
It was it was like it was awful, and no, like,
of course, it's not funny.
Speaker 2 (09:07):
It's not like it's just us.
Speaker 1 (09:11):
We're just mfing each other in public in front of
new people.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
Like how awkward. It was awful? Awful.
Speaker 1 (09:24):
It's a good thing our spouses keep us. That's all
I have to say. But let us know what, you.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
Should go your mom's dead.
Speaker 2 (09:35):
What an idiot? And then she just looked at us like.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
Well she didn't know.
Speaker 4 (09:40):
Well that's how it was the first interaction she's ever
had with the both of us at the same time,
which admittedly can be a lot.
Speaker 3 (09:49):
Yeah. So yeah, let us.
Speaker 2 (09:54):
Know what is I haven't left the house since.
Speaker 3 (09:56):
The best first Date question.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Yeah, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
KFI AM six forty awful.
Speaker 1 (10:08):
Scene outside of Tory Hines Beach, Tory Pines State Beach.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
Excuse me?
Speaker 1 (10:13):
Three people killed, four injured, nine more missing after a
small boat overturned early this morning. A doctor hiking nearby
there Tory Pines State Beach called that I see people
doing CPR on the beach. I'm running that way. It
was a twelve foot boat. They don't know where it
was coming from before it flipped early this morning.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Did you see this crazy story about the naked guy
stuck on an air vent on and Men's Central Jail?
Speaker 1 (10:39):
You know I did, and it gave me a little
hope for those on the inside.
Speaker 3 (10:45):
What's the hope? What tell me? I'd like to know
what your hope is now for this what?
Speaker 1 (10:51):
Well, you can still have a fun weekend, you can
still get a little crazy. You can find yourself hoisted
up against the ceiling naked to where people have to
rescue you with a ladder. The fact that you can
still have that kind of fun, that liberation inside.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Uh, that's good for them.
Speaker 4 (11:09):
This guy, and it's hard to describe adequately what is
going on here. There appears to be an air vent
or something like that high above the floor of the jail,
and it's up just a slick cement wall there and
it's probably, you know, based on the latt it's probably
ten feet off the ground. And then there's a small
(11:31):
space between that air box the vent that's in a box,
and there's a small space between that and the razor
wire just above him. And I'm talking maybe twelve fourteen
sixteen inches something like that. And this guy is laying
jojo down on top of that vent with his double
(11:53):
hams exposed to the razor wa.
Speaker 1 (11:56):
It's almost like he's trying to have sex with the
mounted vent. I didn't think of about that, something about
that vent that spoke to him. I'm got to get
on top of that vent.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
Now if it's warm.
Speaker 4 (12:08):
If you're one of the members of the La County
Sheriff's Department Special Enforcement Bureau and you're called to the
scene of a naked guy, you've got a story stuck
between an air vent and razor wire.
Speaker 2 (12:19):
You have a story, don't you.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
They said that, uh, he suffers your mental illness.
Speaker 3 (12:24):
Guys, Well that's a.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
Huge How does he get up there is my question,
because they have to put a ladder up there to
reach him because the vent is probably what nine feet
off the ten feet off the floor? There on a
mounted on the wall, and he's on top of it.
Speaker 3 (12:37):
That wall to the left of the picture there.
Speaker 2 (12:41):
Oh, it's a bit of a gate, doesn't it, so
he could climate.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
Yeah, it looks like it's a tight chain link kind
of fence or water Gary, you have a penis?
Speaker 5 (12:50):
Go on?
Speaker 1 (12:52):
Is that fair to assume that? Okay? Why is he
up there with his penis exposed?
Speaker 3 (13:01):
Well, you just said, do.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
You think it's because of the warmth of the vent?
Speaker 4 (13:04):
Well, I don't know about the warmth of the event.
It may have been a cooler air vent. I just
think that he well, it's a chili weekend. I would
assume it was, kay, And genitals get cold from time
to time, do they?
Speaker 3 (13:16):
Sure? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I'm just surprised he took all If you wanted to
warm his genitals, if that was the endgame here, why
would you take off all your clothes? Before climbing the
gate to get on top of the vent.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Uh man, I wish I had an adequate answer for that.
I don't think I don't think I could scrounch one up. Okay,
there's something going on in this guy's life where he
felt like that, he felt like that was a good choice.
Have you ever felt like I just need to be naked? Sure,
okay while in jail. Right, No, it's usually against my will.
Speaker 2 (13:54):
It's usually against your will.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah, what do you mean if I am naked in jail?
Speaker 5 (14:00):
Oh?
Speaker 2 (14:00):
I see, I see what you're saying.
Speaker 4 (14:01):
Yeah, I'm also in jail against my will. Right, and
then then that's two wills that are against you.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
Fancy yourself pretty?
Speaker 1 (14:10):
Uh?
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You fancy you?
Speaker 2 (14:12):
Fancy yourself a pretty hot commodity.
Speaker 1 (14:14):
Don't you think that people you're gonna go to jail
and people just want to take your clothes off?
Speaker 3 (14:17):
Look at all this?
Speaker 1 (14:18):
You think you're andy duframe? Suddenly? Yes, I give you
one compliment.
Speaker 3 (14:25):
I think I have an acceptable jail body.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Gary Shannon will continue we have.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
A great story coming up next, I hope.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
So, yeah, which one?
Speaker 2 (14:39):
How did we miss this?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
What did we do? You gave me a compliment that
that lasted a segment. My compliment lasted an entire segment. Yeah,
all right, we'll do the woman. A missing woman for
sixty three years has been found.
Speaker 3 (14:53):
Okay, it's good news.
Speaker 5 (14:56):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kfi A.
Speaker 1 (15:00):
I know that you've been trying to keep this inside
and not talk about it, but I know you're just
bubbling under the surface with excitement.
Speaker 3 (15:10):
Is this the Megan Markle next podcast is coming out?
Speaker 2 (15:13):
No, but it's a close second.
Speaker 5 (15:14):
Boy.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
The biggest night in fashion tonight in New York City
the Met the Met Gala. The theme this year, I'm
sure you already now is super fine tailoring black styles.
Speaker 4 (15:26):
Yeah, listen, I get all this stuff. I'm pretty hip
on when it comes to the Met Gala. Tomorrow is
going to be rough tomorrow. I mean, I don't even
know if I'm gonna be able to do the show.
I'll just be talking red carpet fashion all day, like
who wore what? Stuff like that.
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:46):
So I was kidding when I said, I bet you
already know this about the theme.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
And if you haven't read that interview by Anna Wintour
in was it New Yorker.
Speaker 3 (15:57):
It's really fascinating. Sorry to take the wind out of
your sales. Sit sure did, can't help do me?
Speaker 2 (16:06):
I thought it was god.
Speaker 4 (16:10):
H Audrey back a Bigger, back a Bigger was twenty
years old when she disappeared from Reedsburg, Wisconsin, back in
July of nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 1 (16:21):
Do you think she was just pissed off that her
last name is back a Bigger, backup big to.
Speaker 2 (16:26):
Get a new name, a new identity.
Speaker 4 (16:28):
On Thursday, the Sauk County Sheriff's Office announced they found
Audrey alive.
Speaker 1 (16:36):
And well, folks, people go missing on their own volition.
They want to go missing. They do not want their life.
They don't kill anybody. They just take off and they
should be applauded for it.
Speaker 3 (16:48):
You know.
Speaker 1 (16:48):
Mean, people should just go missing instead of killing their
spouse or whoever else that's interesting for their kids or whatever.
Just take off. You've you've got, you're unhappy and you're marriage.
You want to go run away with your judo instructor, lover,
go do that.
Speaker 2 (17:05):
Don't hire a hitman to leave a body in your wake.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Was that a gizelle bunch in reference, No, it.
Speaker 1 (17:11):
Was just it was I was trying to remember what
that instructor was, the hairdresser's wife who killed him.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
Oh, I was a racketball.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
Racketball. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (17:19):
The Wisconsin Missing Person's Advocacy Organization everybody knows the WUMPA
has said that Audrey married her husband, Ronald, when she
was just fifteen years old, and that the reason Audrey
left five years later was because the marriage was riddled
with abuse, and her family insisted that Audrey would never
(17:40):
have abandoned her kits.
Speaker 3 (17:41):
She had two kids at the time.
Speaker 4 (17:42):
How old were they They couldn't have been more than well,
it couldn't have been more than five years old, so toddlers, young,
very young children. A detective for the Sauk County Sheriff's
Office had reopened Audrey's case in March for a comprehensive review,
part of an ongoing examination of the cold case files
that they periodically did, and he said, I just I
(18:05):
think she was just removed and moved on from things
and kind of did her own thing and led her life.
And she sounded happy, confident in her decision, no regrets.
And that's because he was able to track her down
and have a phone conversation with her. She had filed
a criminal complaint claiming that her husband had beaten her
and threatened to kill her. Just days before she took off,
There was a fourteen year old babysitter for the couple
(18:28):
who told police that she was She hitchhiked to Madison,
Wisconsin with Audrey and then took a bus to Indianapolis,
and the fourteen year old decided to return home and
claim the last time she saw Audrey was at a
bus stop there in Indianapolis.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
The interview.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
That juvenile, who was fourteen at the time, was interviewed
again from ten to fifteen years ago and said that
Audrey had taken a bunch of pills and put him
in a coke can and drank it before she took
the bus down to Indianapolis. The Sauk County Sheriff's office
said they looked at numerous leads over the years, but
the case went unsolved for decades. Then this detective Hanson
(19:07):
was assigned the case and did a reevaluation reinterview and
actually used genetic genealogy, tracked down a sister on ancestry
dot Com ultimately came up with an address called the
Sheriff's department in the local town and said, hey, could
you do a wellness check on this woman? I think
it might be our missing person from sixty three years ago.
(19:28):
And it turns out ten minutes later, Audrey gets on
the phone and talks to the detective and they talked
for about forty five minutes, and the detective didn't say
specifically where she was, but said that it was likely
that the abusive husband played a role in her initial
decision to leave, but that at this time she had
(19:49):
no regrets.
Speaker 3 (19:50):
So, and you're right, it ends up. It ends better
than I mean.
Speaker 4 (19:53):
Granted, I don't know what happened to the kids, and
that'd probably be an interesting to track them down and
see what happened to them. The husband, by the way,
passed a polygraph test back in the day and swore
that he never did anything to her, never heard her,
never abused her.
Speaker 1 (20:12):
I wonder how many how often that happens, that people
just take off.
Speaker 3 (20:17):
Yeah, it's got to be common.
Speaker 4 (20:19):
But I mean to the point where, listen, you had
never heard of Audrey Brackenberger until they find her. Right,
how many thousands of missing persons cases are out there
that we'll never know of?
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Right?
Speaker 1 (20:33):
I came across a story and maybe we could do
it for True Crime Tuesday. Have you ever heard of
the name Catherine Knight? No, here is the headline. After
she stabbed and skinned her husband. Police found a stew
on the stove and plates set for the kids.
Speaker 2 (20:56):
Yea, maybe we'll get into that tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
Great.
Speaker 2 (21:00):
How if that sounds great, I'll send it to you
right now. Keana sounds good and recipes too.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
All right, we come back swamp watch you miss anything
as long as you cook it long enough and break
down that meat. You missed any part of the show,
go back and check out the podcast on the iHeart app.
All you do is type in Gary and Shannon and
the podcast comes up. You can listen to the show
we posted every day right after the show, and then
on Saturdays. Over the weekends we do the Weekend Fix,
(21:27):
which is all new stuff that we didn't do during
the rest of the week.
Speaker 2 (21:30):
We set the plates for the kids.
Speaker 3 (21:33):
You've been listening to the Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 4 (21:35):
You can always hear us live on KFI AM six
forty nine am to one pm every Monday through Friday,
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