June 4, 2025 • 31 mins
Elon Musk calls Trump agenda bill 'disgusting abomination' days after White House send-off. Lawyers using AI keep citing fake cases in court. Judges aren’t happy. 200 y/o condom on display.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
A M six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio apps today. Look at you, Hey,
look a wife. That a little overcast for beach volleyball?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
But why not each volleyball?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
You don't hear that song and see the volleyball scene
play before your very eyes.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
No, that's not my first game to mind.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'm trying to remember back into my deli days when
I worked at the deli through high school and college.
Had to break down a lot of boxes. Used to
Oh it was a box cutter that you would use
as little blades, and those were also really good at removing,
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like stickers and stuff, right, like bumper stickers that say
I bought this before Elon Musk went crazy whatever, because
we're gonna need a lot of those. I mean, this
is my whole point come home to roost. Is that
y'all Democrats ask for the electric vehicle birth, the whole
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thing to sweep the nation, and it did, and then
everything else. Screw Elon Musk the person responsible. Right, Oh
he's a Trump guy. Oh no, he's just a free
thinking individual. Like him or hate him. He is going
to fall in line with what he wants to fall
in line with when he thinks it's right, and he's
looking at this bill and he's calling it disgusting, and
(01:29):
then all of a sudden you've got Hakeem Jefferies and
shooting all the powers that be on the Democratic side
of the aisle going he's right, he's right. Well, how
convenient for you to pick and choose. That's the thing.
We're very complicated individuals, and we get into trouble when
we're a strong deer or a strong r right. You
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gotta leave room for free thinking, whether it is in
line with what Democrats think or whether it's in line
with what Republicans think.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And to me, that's a much more honest position that
Elon Musk has taken, knowing that he was put in
this position or asked to be in this position by
Donald Trump, and he knew full well what he was
getting into. Elon Musk did, and he knew that his
time was limited. He knew that he was going to
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do as much as he could when he could up
against the buzzsaw that is the establishment in Washington, not Republicans,
not Democrats, the establishment in Washington they're entrenched. I don't
like the word deep state because it makes it more
nefarious than that. I think there's a bunch of bumbling,
bureaucratic idiots who are afraid to lose their jobs. That,
to me, is what the establishment is. When he called
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it a disgusting abomination, Elon Musk called that the one
big beautiful bill a disgusting abomination. He went on to say,
mammoth spending bills are bankrupt, bankrupting America. Enough, people like
Marjorie Taylor Green, who by the way, did vote for
this thing in the House. Even she comes out and
she says, yeah, I kind of get where he's coming from.
(03:05):
I totally understand what he's talking about. You mentioned Hakeem Jeffries,
the minority leader in the House. He agrees with Elon.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Breaking news Elon Musk, and I.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Agree Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
If even Elon Musk, who's been part of the whole
process and as Trump's buddy, says the bill is bad,
you can imagine how bad you.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Can be both things. You can be all three things.
You can be somebody that wants to limit government. You
can be somebody who is the sorry for the term
father of the electric vehicle that works. And you can
also be someone who is who craps on overspending when
that's what you were hired to limit.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And that's the way we should all We should all
have we should all give ourselves the freedom to think
that way when it comes to specific issues.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I'm not on the Elon Musk is a great guide train. No,
and I don't have to be I can all be on.
I also don't have to be on the Elon Musk
is a horrible person train.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, look at John Fetterman, Senator out of Pennsylvania, right.
He has come out in the last couple of days
and said a couple of things about Donald Trump and
things that he supports, specifically the ongoing discussions with Iran
in terms of trying to get them to give up
their nuclear ambitions. And here comes a high profile Democrat
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saying he's doing the right thing. There just anathema, I mean,
just people coming out of the woodwork to say that
John Fetterman should be kicked out of the Senate, or
he should be over Turnio, he should be primaried so
he can't be in the Senate anymore. Allow people in
your party, whoever they are, to have the freedom to
think because the continued bashing down the throats of people
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of if you are, if you want to carry our mantle,
if you want to wear the elephant on your sleeve
or the donkey on your sleeve, whatever, you've got to
fall in line on every single one one of these issues.
That's never going to work.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
That is what has continued to divide this country over
the last twenty thirty sixty years.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
That's why we've ended up where we are.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Right but there's no listen, we can talk about you
and I can talk about whatever we want in any capacity,
in any fashion, about any political issue, and we will
get people who say to us, you guys are morons.
You guys do everything that the Trump administration asks you
to do. You guys don't ever criticize him, or we
get the same people who thirty minutes later will say,
(05:33):
you guys only do whatever. You guys defended Joe Biden.
You guys defend the Democrats all the time.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
It's not how about this so true?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
How about you just how about allow me, allow you
allow yourself the ability to look at each individual issue,
to do a little bit of research on each of
these things and then to come up with the decision
rather than allowing that person, whether it's the person at
the top of one party or the other, to tell
you how to feel about something.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Amen, brother, a men.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Because when it comes to feelings in this country, we
all have our own feelings. Some people like chocolate ice cream,
some people like vanilla ice cream.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Some people like to become a flight attendant and get
naked and dance en route.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Listen that guy, oh guy, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
That I was thinking was like a hot flight attendant
in my mind what I.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Said, it doesn't mean he's not hot.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Remember, let's think, make your own decisions, right, That's what
we're saying because in America, not all flight attendants are hot.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Let's be honest. Some of them are very hot, let's
be honest, but not all of them.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And a few of them work for Southwest.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
A few of them are named Sherry.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, I know her.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'm just saying I've seen her, and she's really good.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I had a trans yoga instructor yesterday and like I
it was really interesting and then yeah, but then I
found myself like obsessed with it. The whole yoga class to.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Your instructor at track Star by any chance.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I don't know. Well, good definition, good muscle definition.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
How do you know that your instructor was, You're.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Right, I should not make that call. I should not
make that judgment. It is a what you watch in Wednesday?
You know what show I'm in love with? No, you don't,
I do not. Adults, it's excellent. I haven't laughed out
loud like this at his show in such a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Is it like the Adam Sandler franchise Grown Ups?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I don't know. This is about young people twenty five
years old and they're making their way in the world today,
and it takes everything they've got and they are no hilarious.
Like it's a hilarious show. It's on the Hulu and
I can't recommend it more. And I'll do more coming
up in What you Watch on Wednesday. But let us
know what you are watching today. Use that talk back
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feature on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
We're going to talk hot tariff, hot steel and aluminum
tariffs and its.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Taxpayers have been ripped off for more than fifty years,
but it is not going to happen anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
What's that for?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
No, But that's pretty good, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
My goodness?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
My favorite was from Amy King because it had the
time stamp on it. When Sonny took flight. I did not,
I don't think realize that it's the two females left.
The two siblings are the both females. So they killed
the brother. They did not kill the brother. I think
they did. That's uh. You remember what happened. There were
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three and it was Brutus and it was Dora. I
go by Amy King's name, Sure, Brutus, Dora. And what
was the third one's name.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Rocky Rocky? That would be that's what is now gizmo.
Remember Rocky was a little tiny and she had to
be a fighter.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yes, she was Amy.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
They determined the genders on these things, sorry Nothenner set
the biological sex on these things based on their growth.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (09:06):
It's their size and also their vocalizations because and they
said they can't know for one hundred percent sure unless
they do DNA testing. But because they just look down,
you can't look up their feathers. Yeah, Gary, but they've
determined that both are girls.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
They think, just go pretty sure, I'm just still looking
up a bird's feathers. That's really not cool. It's twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I think that that would be the most appropriate time
to look up.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
A bird's feather is it.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Wow, soe you're part of the problem, I thought will
be the biggest part.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Hey, good morning, welcome back, Shannon. If in fact that's
your name, according to the listeners, it might be Sherry
or Mary. And that guy's sitting next to you, huh.
Is it Larry, Barry or Terry?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Huh?
Speaker 6 (09:53):
The listeners don't seem to know. You guys need to
correct who's the real names behind the microphone?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I think I miss something, two guys think. I think
on Monday that called me Jerry. Oh in talkbacks?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Really?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And then somebody else reminded me that RFK Junior called
me Jerry when we interviewed him many months ago.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
No, it wasn't. It wasn't. It was a different Greg.
It may have been Greg.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I thought it was Jared.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
It was not Jerry.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Either way, it was it was like Steve.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
It was like so not Gary. It was very I
don't know, it was very funny though, it's like, you're
exactly right, Bruce. But anyway, the eagles, So Sonny left
and then came back. I heard you guys talking about
it yesterday, that there's a roost tree you, by the way,
sounded Jerry sounded very uninterested in the whole thing. Yes, Well,
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just so you know, I was listening, and luckily Amy
was here. It's an exciting time. Sonny is learning to fly.
She and like Amy and I were talking about this morning,
she came back because this way she doesn't enough to hunt.
Mom and Jackie in shadow are gonna do the hunt.
Why are you looking at me like that?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, I'm sorry you could.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I can't control my face, and I apologize for whatever
it was doing.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I don't know it's going to look over here.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
It's kind of like we were talking about the story
about the new job of the stay at home son
and how why else would you leave? You can stay
at home and there's food, and there's there's shelter, and
you don't have to pay for it. Same thing with
these eagles, right Amy.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Well, we don't actually know what they're thinking, but yeah,
like Gizmo was all alone yesterday and Sonny's probably like dude,
I want to be with my sister and have mom
and dad feed me and I can sleep in the
nest instead of having to claw onto a tree branch.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right, I don't know. They can all be together.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah, but so it'll be interesting though, because Sonny hasn't
taken off since yesterday. She flew off, she flew back,
she flew off, she flew back a few times. But
she's been in the nest since yesterday afternoon. And I
haven't seen Gizmo practicing today. Gizmo was practicing a lot yesterday.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well. And the other thing is is these sisters are
very bonded. It's a very strong bond. They've killed their
brother together, so it's even stronger than the usual bond
the Murderous Sisters.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
This is the new Bad Sisters season three.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Have you watched that? Oh, that's right, that's the Irish one.
Have you watched The Wrong Sister? What have you?
Speaker 6 (12:30):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But I'm interested. I like that. I like those people.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I started watching it. I got halfway into the first episode.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I'm like, Eah, that's Jessica Biel and Elizabeth Banks.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah. I just kind of was like, eh, very lukewarm,
couldn't get into it. They seem so angry.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
There are now fifty percent tariffs on steel, that's all.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
It's one of those things where it's we're gonna we
going to see are we going to see an impact?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I mean, there is a possibility.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, there's all these stories I didn't click on about
cell phones and all the things that where the cost
is going to go up, And I feel like we've
got a little bit of tariff fatigue in that regard
because we've done those. We did that as every tariff
came down. We talked about the products affected until I
see it, you know, until I saw inflation at the
grocery store. I didn't really talk about it that much,
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you know, until you feel it, right.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Well, in this case, Selena Wang is a White House
correspondent for ABC.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Trade experts say that this is likely to raise prices
on certain goods made out of stealing aluminum, since the
importers of the raw material typically pass along a portion
of that higher cost onto consumers, as is the case
with many of these terrorifts we've been talking about. So
for a car, for instance, steel is a key material
and a car and a professor of economics at the
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University of South Carolina estimates that this new tariff level
could raise a price of a car by two thousand
dollars to four thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Now, there have also been questions about, well, haven't there
been court decisions that went against the president's ability to
impose terrorifts? Remember the International Trade Court, and these tariffs
are not affected by those recent court decisions. So we
are not only do we have tariffs of different levels
on different products from different countries, we now have some
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tariffs that are affected by the court decisions and some
terifts that are not affected by the court decisions. And
I've seen a couple of different websites where someone has
basically created a giant spreadsheet to try to keep track
of where we are on these individual products and the
relationship to the individual countries or trade groups that we're
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dealing with, and it's all over the place. It's so
confusing to so many people, right we're a global economy
because it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Is so massive.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I mean, one of the things that the president has
tried to say is that he's trying to clean all
of that up, but by doing that, it's gotten a
whole lot messier in the In the meantime, I don't
know if there's a light at the end of that tunnel.
But right now it's very confusing for a lot of
different industries.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
All right, are you all right? Are you still thinking
about the eagles?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
No? I'm still thinking about what the what RFK Junior
called me. I don't think it was Jerry. I thought
it was Jerry.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I don't think it was Jerry. I don't think it
was I think it was Greg. I think that we'll
have to go back and find it. Let's find it,
let's find it. We'll put it to all right, all right.
AI is crept into all crevasses of life, hasn't it crevices?
Crevasses that's on the.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Side, not a mountain climber size.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I would argue that it is. It is climbed into
both crevasses and crevices, big and small. It's everywhere. Well,
now lawyers are turning to AI to prepare their cases,
and they're sighting fake precedent in court.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Wait, do this if I was a lawyer?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But I think I think it's been done before. You know,
you think the judge is the know all be all,
But there's a lot of judges that maybe not you know,
maybe some fake cases have been thrown around.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
In McGillicutty versus Bergshire or the court rules.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I would be surprised.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 3 (16:21):
We're getting an update, actually it's taking place right now
from Bill A. Sale, the United States attorney about the
Palm Springs bombing that took place, and they have apparently
arrested yet another person, this one in New York at
JFK Airport in Queens arrested in connection with the bombing
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in Palm Springs. Expected to make his initial court appearance
this afternoon in Brooklyn before he makes his way out
here to California. A couple of Chinese nationals have been
charged with allegedly smuggling into the United States a fungus
called Fusarium Graham Neural scientific literature classifies it as a
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potential agro terrorism weapon.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Is this from the Chinese people that were arrested?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
That is from the Chinese people who were arrested, But
we don't know what they were planning to do with it.
They said they were researching it and taking it to
a school I think in the Upper Midwest.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
But hey, guys, I just wanted to tell you that
I really loved listening to the Jerry and Sherry show.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Oh, thank you very mind. Goodbye.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I'm partial to Dick and Sandy.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Shannon, welcome back. I was assisting yesterday. As somebody suggested,
you got suspended for Dad Mouse and Bill handled.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You shouldn't get suspended.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
You should get a golden mic.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Somebody. I think I retweeted it because it made me happy. Yeah,
someone said, I hope you didn't get suspended for saying
the F word on the weekend podcast. That would be silly.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
True.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Also, did I say the F word? Yes? I did. Probably.
I don't you remember what the weekend podcast was about,
but my mom, yes.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
The celebrity crushes.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
When I think, yes, it was, it was okay. My
mom said that she listened to our weekend.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Podcastan please don't do that.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
She said it made her walk around the block go
that much quicker. And I'm like, Mom, that's not for you,
you know, please don't. She's like, oh, I thought I
was listening to Friday's show. I just put on whatever
the most recent one was, and she stumbled into the Weekend.
I'm like, oh, that's not for you mom stick to
the broadcast show.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I feel like you should curate the list of podcast
episodes for her to listen to.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, I do too, But she's out there free as
an American should be listening to whatever she can get
her hands on.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Oh, we had somebody who says that they have used
AI in a court case.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
We'll get to that in just a second.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
There is a story in the Washington Post about how
some lawyers have been using AI, I think chat ept
or Grock or something like that to come up with
and write legal bris or in some cases scan through hundreds,
dozens or hundreds of court cases to try to find
rulings that would bolster their case. And there's a weird
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there is a weird term that has come out of
this AI. Damian Charlotteine is a Paris based legal researcher
who maintains a database of cases of artificial intelligence hallucinations
filed in court. This guy's keeping a list of these
things AI hallucinations.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Why are they using the term hallucination.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Because it the AI's coming up with and apparently confidently
creating or fabricating cases, specifically in these legal terms that
do not exist.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It's funny that AI is caught on so quickly to
cheating the system. AI has become human really quick. Instead
of doing the research to go through all the cases
to find precedent, AI is cutting corners just like every
good student would and is trying to cheat its way
through doing the actual legwork.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
This French guy who's maintaining this database say is that
he has found ninety five instances in the United States
of legal AI hallucinations since June of twenty three, fifty
eight of them this year. And they include cases where
lawyers or other people in the court admit to using
AI in a filing that contains errors, or judges reported
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references to non existent cases or quotation.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
They say it's been accelerating and judges aren't happy. In May,
there was an appeals court and Utah that ordered an
attorney to pay one thousand dollars to a Utah Legal
Aid foundation because he or she submitted a brief with
references to non existent cases that the attorney later attributed
to AI. When called on it, they're like, yeah, I
just I went ahead and googled that. The AI respond
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and I ran with the.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Thing is that judges are judges for a reason many
of them are elevated because they're good at what they
do when they when they were originally lawyers. And one
of the things that many judges will not do is
just take your word for it. If you file a
legal brief with references to another legal case, you're trying
to show precedent or make the argument that the judge
should follow precedent in another case. It's kind of going
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to go through and check it.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I don't know if they are I think really averse game.
I think that some judges are meticulous. Others are not
going to read the whole thing. Well, I just I cannot.
I just believe judges are just like us. There are
judges that are buy the book, and then judges that
are just like, all right, okay, I'll take your word
for it. You know what, because that why wouldn't they
take their word for it? You know, an attorney presents
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a briefer, you know what, have you? You would assume
the research is legit.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Now that we're talking about it, there's a potential for
these judges, those that would be less meticulous, to start
paying attention to it.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Steven Gillery is a law professor NYU.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
He said, I thought that after the first such incident
that being a legal brief using AI made national news,
there would be no more. But apparently the temptation is
too great. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. I mentioned that
somebody let us know that they have used AI before.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
Hey, Gary and Shannon, I heard you talking about AI
and lawyers. I am not a lawyer, but I represented
myself in a very sticky case, so say save you
the details, but representing myself, I'm not a lawyer. Hopefully
I'm kind of a smart guy, but I use a
lot of AI for my court statements. And opposing counsel
had so many times where they just had no response
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and used AI. I was actually a little surprised at
opposing counsel, but it was AI and then hopefully just
some smartness on my partner.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
This work different. That's different that you can totally use
AI to shape your arguments in court. It's the making
up cases for precedent that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
And that he mentioned he's a smart and smart enough guy.
That'd be like you asking AI to help you out
with aver SA turn paper something like that in college
and either turning in whatever AI completely fabricated for you
or using it as sort of the tool to go
back and correct your own writing or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You know that guy sounds smart enough to be able
to do it right.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Coming up next another example of why I know I
don't know art. You ever see a piece of art
and you're just like, ah, yeah, I still don't get it,
Like I get a nice pieta I like to see
in some nice pictures of baby Jesus in the arms
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of Mary. I understand the beauty of some you know,
impressionistic work.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I love.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I love all of it. But when it gets to
be a little bit on the on the fringes, I
start wondering what I'm doing in such gallery.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
It loses a p.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And this is case in point.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Gary and Shannon will continue Amy king.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's big too, isn't it. Yeah, it looks big.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Kean's pulling the plug.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (24:20):
Stanley Cup Final start tonight Florida Panthers at the Edmonton
Oilers ah and then NBA Final start tomorrow night. That's
the Indianda Pacers at the Oklahoma See thunder.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I always love the juxtaposition of a team from Florida
facing a team from Canada when it comes to hockey.
I mean I realized that all the Canadians and the
like are all infiltrated.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, but still Angels beat the Red Sox in ten
innings four to three, so they're actually warming up right now.
They'll play next hour. First pitch A Dodgers beat the
Mets in ten innings. They beat them six to five,
so they'll play later tonight seven to ten. It is
the first pitch in that one. Welcome back, by the way,
and you're back.
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I can't live without you.
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I need you every day. I'm so glad you returned.
Oh did you just compare me to chat GPT?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Yes, but she's she said, she changed the name of
chat cheep Poppy Poppy.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
That's just a great name.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I love that. I am right up there with Ai.
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What's up, Baron Chancion, glad to have you back.
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Hey, Gary's hotter Terry Hatcher Tango and Cash or Terry Hatcher.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Oh Man, Lois and Clark?
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Which one do you think.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Are we doing Terry Hatcher porn today or not?
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But If you want to go back and listen to
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You can go back and check out that Weekend Please,
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Speaker 1 (25:52):
Please stop sending me pictures of both Terry Hatcher and
Diane Keaton with the caption for Gary if you want
to send these to him, He's got his own methods
of communicating.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I have my own phone.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I don't need to pass them along. My phone is
filled up when it comes to photos of Terry hatch
or Diane Keaton, who I enjoy I enjoy them both.
Don't make me hate them. You've been to Amsterdam, yes, okay,
in and out. I haven't spent a lot of time there.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
The Red Light District is legendary because that's where legalized
prostitution takes place, et cetera. Amsterdam also famous for its
cannabis bars, drug bars. The Netherlands National Museum now has
a new object on display that they said sort of
sheds a light on the Red Light District. In the
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history of this two hundred year old place.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
It's a condom, a two hundred year old condom.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Believe to be made around the year eighteen thirty from
a sheep's appendix.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I was gonna say, what is this made from? And
did you have to sew? Okay, okay, wait.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, questions? All right, we'll start with the basics. Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Eighteen thirty. You realize that when you have the boom
boom time, a baby.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Pops out boom time.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Uh, And so you say, how do I prevent my
stuff from making one of those? Right?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And how do you come up with? Oh, I'll take
the lining of a sheep's appendix to cover my penis
with before I have sex, Like, how does that happen?
Show me that?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Do you think to yourself, I need something to wrap.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
This up in, to wrap this up and to prevent
the sheep's appendix.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I know, I'll gut a sheep and then carve up
the appendix to get the lining, and then and then
sew it around my Johnson like like.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You're just you're sewing it.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Well, I mean it doesn't. I don't know how do
you get to that level of thought of maybe you
just haven extensive knowledge about the sheep, because you eat
the sheep, you know all the sheep's parts, and so
you're thinking, oh, that sheeplining that would be it's smooth,
it's thin. I'll put that on my penis and see
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how that works out. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I don't know either.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But furthermore, how does a condom last for two hundred years?
I mean, it's like a it's like a ho ho,
it's like a ding dong at this point, it's got
preservatives that keep it alive for two hundred years.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, I don't know where it's been.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well, I think we could make some guesses, Garrett, No,
I mean it is a condom.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I don't know where it's been kept for these for
these many many years. They said that they believe that
this may have been a souvenir from a brothel.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I have another question.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
It's got right or not writing, but it's got it's
a little piece of art on it.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, and this is my question. The art that is
drawn on the condom is an image of a nun
and the clergymen. How the hell is that a reality
in this world that you would have a condom that's
two hundred years old nay adorned with a nun, like
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who looks at a picture of a nun and is like,
let's go to boom boom time.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I do think that you're missing some of the irony
that the artist was perhaps trying.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
To irony Or is this something that the nun used
with the clergyman. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't think it's that. I think it's a nun.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Would be in real trouble if she, if she had a.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Baby, probably somebody double birds to the church at that point.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
No, that's see, that's more nefarious. My story came out
of love between the nun and the clergyman. Yours came
out of you know, church shaming.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
So yours is blasphemy.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Mine is love.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
The phrase this is my choice is written along this show,
maybe onto something in French. You're damn right, Maybe I
do understand art Jerry come back.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
One of my favorite aspects of urban living, which I
haven't ever really done, is the old buildings that exist.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Did you ever watch, speaking.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Of what you're watch on Wednesday, did you ever watch
Perry Mason? There's the remake of it that's been on
age now, not the remates that has done an amazing
job of selling nineteen thirties Nor Yeah, nineteen thirties LA.
We're going to be talking with an author about a
new book that is out regarding basically before the freeways
(30:47):
in Los Angeles and what life was like around here.
Gary Shannon will continue right after this. You've been listening
to The Gary and Shannon Show. You can always hear
us live on KFI AM six forty nine am to
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demand on the iHeartRadio apps today. Look at you, Hey,
look a wife. That a little overcast for beach volleyball?
Speaker 2 (00:15):
But why not each volleyball?
Speaker 1 (00:17):
You don't hear that song and see the volleyball scene
play before your very eyes.
Speaker 2 (00:22):
No, that's not my first game to mind.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
I'm trying to remember back into my deli days when
I worked at the deli through high school and college.
Had to break down a lot of boxes. Used to
Oh it was a box cutter that you would use
as little blades, and those were also really good at removing,
(00:45):
like stickers and stuff, right, like bumper stickers that say
I bought this before Elon Musk went crazy whatever, because
we're gonna need a lot of those. I mean, this
is my whole point come home to roost. Is that
y'all Democrats ask for the electric vehicle birth, the whole
(01:07):
thing to sweep the nation, and it did, and then
everything else. Screw Elon Musk the person responsible. Right, Oh
he's a Trump guy. Oh no, he's just a free
thinking individual. Like him or hate him. He is going
to fall in line with what he wants to fall
in line with when he thinks it's right, and he's
looking at this bill and he's calling it disgusting, and
(01:29):
then all of a sudden you've got Hakeem Jefferies and
shooting all the powers that be on the Democratic side
of the aisle going he's right, he's right. Well, how
convenient for you to pick and choose. That's the thing.
We're very complicated individuals, and we get into trouble when
we're a strong deer or a strong r right. You
(01:52):
gotta leave room for free thinking, whether it is in
line with what Democrats think or whether it's in line
with what Republicans think.
Speaker 3 (01:59):
And to me, that's a much more honest position that
Elon Musk has taken, knowing that he was put in
this position or asked to be in this position by
Donald Trump, and he knew full well what he was
getting into. Elon Musk did, and he knew that his
time was limited. He knew that he was going to
(02:20):
do as much as he could when he could up
against the buzzsaw that is the establishment in Washington, not Republicans,
not Democrats, the establishment in Washington they're entrenched. I don't
like the word deep state because it makes it more
nefarious than that. I think there's a bunch of bumbling,
bureaucratic idiots who are afraid to lose their jobs. That,
to me, is what the establishment is. When he called
(02:45):
it a disgusting abomination, Elon Musk called that the one
big beautiful bill a disgusting abomination. He went on to say,
mammoth spending bills are bankrupt, bankrupting America. Enough, people like
Marjorie Taylor Green, who by the way, did vote for
this thing in the House. Even she comes out and
she says, yeah, I kind of get where he's coming from.
(03:05):
I totally understand what he's talking about. You mentioned Hakeem Jeffries,
the minority leader in the House. He agrees with Elon.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
Breaking news Elon Musk, and I.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
Agree Chuck Schumer, the Senate minority leader.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
If even Elon Musk, who's been part of the whole
process and as Trump's buddy, says the bill is bad,
you can imagine how bad you.
Speaker 1 (03:27):
Can be both things. You can be all three things.
You can be somebody that wants to limit government. You
can be somebody who is the sorry for the term
father of the electric vehicle that works. And you can
also be someone who is who craps on overspending when
that's what you were hired to limit.
Speaker 3 (03:46):
And that's the way we should all We should all
have we should all give ourselves the freedom to think
that way when it comes to specific issues.
Speaker 1 (03:53):
I'm not on the Elon Musk is a great guide train. No,
and I don't have to be I can all be on.
I also don't have to be on the Elon Musk
is a horrible person train.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Well, look at John Fetterman, Senator out of Pennsylvania, right.
He has come out in the last couple of days
and said a couple of things about Donald Trump and
things that he supports, specifically the ongoing discussions with Iran
in terms of trying to get them to give up
their nuclear ambitions. And here comes a high profile Democrat
(04:26):
saying he's doing the right thing. There just anathema, I mean,
just people coming out of the woodwork to say that
John Fetterman should be kicked out of the Senate, or
he should be over Turnio, he should be primaried so
he can't be in the Senate anymore. Allow people in
your party, whoever they are, to have the freedom to
think because the continued bashing down the throats of people
(04:49):
of if you are, if you want to carry our mantle,
if you want to wear the elephant on your sleeve
or the donkey on your sleeve, whatever, you've got to
fall in line on every single one one of these issues.
That's never going to work.
Speaker 2 (05:02):
Now.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
That is what has continued to divide this country over
the last twenty thirty sixty years.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
That's why we've ended up where we are.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
Right but there's no listen, we can talk about you
and I can talk about whatever we want in any capacity,
in any fashion, about any political issue, and we will
get people who say to us, you guys are morons.
You guys do everything that the Trump administration asks you
to do. You guys don't ever criticize him, or we
get the same people who thirty minutes later will say,
(05:33):
you guys only do whatever. You guys defended Joe Biden.
You guys defend the Democrats all the time.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
It's not how about this so true?
Speaker 3 (05:39):
How about you just how about allow me, allow you
allow yourself the ability to look at each individual issue,
to do a little bit of research on each of
these things and then to come up with the decision
rather than allowing that person, whether it's the person at
the top of one party or the other, to tell
you how to feel about something.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
Amen, brother, a men.
Speaker 3 (06:01):
Because when it comes to feelings in this country, we
all have our own feelings. Some people like chocolate ice cream,
some people like vanilla ice cream.
Speaker 1 (06:10):
Some people like to become a flight attendant and get
naked and dance en route.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
Listen that guy, oh guy, Yeah, you know.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
That I was thinking was like a hot flight attendant
in my mind what I.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Said, it doesn't mean he's not hot.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
Remember, let's think, make your own decisions, right, That's what
we're saying because in America, not all flight attendants are hot.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Let's be honest. Some of them are very hot, let's
be honest, but not all of them.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
And a few of them work for Southwest.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
A few of them are named Sherry.
Speaker 1 (06:38):
Yeah, I know her.
Speaker 2 (06:39):
I'm just saying I've seen her, and she's really good.
Speaker 1 (06:42):
I had a trans yoga instructor yesterday and like I
it was really interesting and then yeah, but then I
found myself like obsessed with it. The whole yoga class to.
Speaker 2 (06:56):
Your instructor at track Star by any chance.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
I don't know. Well, good definition, good muscle definition.
Speaker 2 (07:03):
How do you know that your instructor was, You're.
Speaker 1 (07:07):
Right, I should not make that call. I should not
make that judgment. It is a what you watch in Wednesday?
You know what show I'm in love with? No, you don't,
I do not. Adults, it's excellent. I haven't laughed out
loud like this at his show in such a long time.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Is it like the Adam Sandler franchise Grown Ups?
Speaker 1 (07:31):
I don't know. This is about young people twenty five
years old and they're making their way in the world today,
and it takes everything they've got and they are no hilarious.
Like it's a hilarious show. It's on the Hulu and
I can't recommend it more. And I'll do more coming
up in What you Watch on Wednesday. But let us
know what you are watching today. Use that talk back
(07:52):
feature on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 3 (07:56):
We're going to talk hot tariff, hot steel and aluminum
tariffs and its.
Speaker 4 (08:00):
Taxpayers have been ripped off for more than fifty years,
but it is not going to happen anymore.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
What's that for?
Speaker 2 (08:08):
No, But that's pretty good, isn't it?
Speaker 1 (08:10):
My goodness?
Speaker 2 (08:12):
Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (08:21):
My favorite was from Amy King because it had the
time stamp on it. When Sonny took flight. I did not,
I don't think realize that it's the two females left.
The two siblings are the both females. So they killed
the brother. They did not kill the brother. I think
they did. That's uh. You remember what happened. There were
(08:41):
three and it was Brutus and it was Dora. I
go by Amy King's name, Sure, Brutus, Dora. And what
was the third one's name.
Speaker 5 (08:49):
Rocky Rocky? That would be that's what is now gizmo.
Remember Rocky was a little tiny and she had to
be a fighter.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Yes, she was Amy.
Speaker 3 (08:57):
They determined the genders on these things, sorry Nothenner set
the biological sex on these things based on their growth.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
Is it?
Speaker 5 (09:06):
It's their size and also their vocalizations because and they
said they can't know for one hundred percent sure unless
they do DNA testing. But because they just look down,
you can't look up their feathers. Yeah, Gary, but they've
determined that both are girls.
Speaker 1 (09:22):
They think, just go pretty sure, I'm just still looking
up a bird's feathers. That's really not cool. It's twenty
twenty five.
Speaker 2 (09:30):
I think that that would be the most appropriate time
to look up.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
A bird's feather is it.
Speaker 2 (09:33):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (09:34):
Wow, soe you're part of the problem, I thought will
be the biggest part.
Speaker 6 (09:38):
Hey, good morning, welcome back, Shannon. If in fact that's
your name, according to the listeners, it might be Sherry
or Mary. And that guy's sitting next to you, huh.
Is it Larry, Barry or Terry?
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Huh?
Speaker 6 (09:53):
The listeners don't seem to know. You guys need to
correct who's the real names behind the microphone?
Speaker 3 (09:58):
I think I miss something, two guys think. I think
on Monday that called me Jerry. Oh in talkbacks?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Really?
Speaker 3 (10:04):
And then somebody else reminded me that RFK Junior called
me Jerry when we interviewed him many months ago.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
No, it wasn't. It wasn't. It was a different Greg.
It may have been Greg.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
I thought it was Jared.
Speaker 1 (10:16):
It was not Jerry.
Speaker 2 (10:18):
Either way, it was it was like Steve.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
It was like so not Gary. It was very I
don't know, it was very funny though, it's like, you're
exactly right, Bruce. But anyway, the eagles, So Sonny left
and then came back. I heard you guys talking about
it yesterday, that there's a roost tree you, by the way,
sounded Jerry sounded very uninterested in the whole thing. Yes, Well,
(10:47):
just so you know, I was listening, and luckily Amy
was here. It's an exciting time. Sonny is learning to fly.
She and like Amy and I were talking about this morning,
she came back because this way she doesn't enough to hunt.
Mom and Jackie in shadow are gonna do the hunt.
Why are you looking at me like that?
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, I'm sorry you could.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
I can't control my face, and I apologize for whatever
it was doing.
Speaker 2 (11:13):
I don't know it's going to look over here.
Speaker 1 (11:15):
It's kind of like we were talking about the story
about the new job of the stay at home son
and how why else would you leave? You can stay
at home and there's food, and there's there's shelter, and
you don't have to pay for it. Same thing with
these eagles, right Amy.
Speaker 5 (11:28):
Well, we don't actually know what they're thinking, but yeah,
like Gizmo was all alone yesterday and Sonny's probably like dude,
I want to be with my sister and have mom
and dad feed me and I can sleep in the
nest instead of having to claw onto a tree branch.
Speaker 1 (11:45):
Right, I don't know. They can all be together.
Speaker 5 (11:48):
Yeah, but so it'll be interesting though, because Sonny hasn't
taken off since yesterday. She flew off, she flew back,
she flew off, she flew back a few times. But
she's been in the nest since yesterday afternoon. And I
haven't seen Gizmo practicing today. Gizmo was practicing a lot yesterday.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
Well. And the other thing is is these sisters are
very bonded. It's a very strong bond. They've killed their
brother together, so it's even stronger than the usual bond
the Murderous Sisters.
Speaker 2 (12:21):
This is the new Bad Sisters season three.
Speaker 1 (12:24):
Have you watched that? Oh, that's right, that's the Irish one.
Have you watched The Wrong Sister? What have you?
Speaker 6 (12:30):
No?
Speaker 2 (12:30):
But I'm interested. I like that. I like those people.
Speaker 1 (12:33):
I started watching it. I got halfway into the first episode.
Speaker 3 (12:35):
I'm like, Eah, that's Jessica Biel and Elizabeth Banks.
Speaker 1 (12:39):
Yeah. I just kind of was like, eh, very lukewarm,
couldn't get into it. They seem so angry.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
There are now fifty percent tariffs on steel, that's all.
Speaker 1 (12:57):
I mean.
Speaker 3 (12:58):
It's one of those things where it's we're gonna we
going to see are we going to see an impact?
Speaker 2 (13:02):
I mean, there is a possibility.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Well, there's all these stories I didn't click on about
cell phones and all the things that where the cost
is going to go up, And I feel like we've
got a little bit of tariff fatigue in that regard
because we've done those. We did that as every tariff
came down. We talked about the products affected until I
see it, you know, until I saw inflation at the
grocery store. I didn't really talk about it that much,
(13:24):
you know, until you feel it, right.
Speaker 3 (13:26):
Well, in this case, Selena Wang is a White House
correspondent for ABC.
Speaker 7 (13:30):
Trade experts say that this is likely to raise prices
on certain goods made out of stealing aluminum, since the
importers of the raw material typically pass along a portion
of that higher cost onto consumers, as is the case
with many of these terrorifts we've been talking about. So
for a car, for instance, steel is a key material
and a car and a professor of economics at the
(13:51):
University of South Carolina estimates that this new tariff level
could raise a price of a car by two thousand
dollars to four thousand dollars.
Speaker 3 (13:59):
Now, there have also been questions about, well, haven't there
been court decisions that went against the president's ability to
impose terrorifts? Remember the International Trade Court, and these tariffs
are not affected by those recent court decisions. So we
are not only do we have tariffs of different levels
on different products from different countries, we now have some
(14:21):
tariffs that are affected by the court decisions and some
terifts that are not affected by the court decisions. And
I've seen a couple of different websites where someone has
basically created a giant spreadsheet to try to keep track
of where we are on these individual products and the
relationship to the individual countries or trade groups that we're
(14:42):
dealing with, and it's all over the place. It's so
confusing to so many people, right we're a global economy
because it.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
Is so massive.
Speaker 3 (14:51):
I mean, one of the things that the president has
tried to say is that he's trying to clean all
of that up, but by doing that, it's gotten a
whole lot messier in the In the meantime, I don't
know if there's a light at the end of that tunnel.
But right now it's very confusing for a lot of
different industries.
Speaker 1 (15:10):
All right, are you all right? Are you still thinking
about the eagles?
Speaker 2 (15:15):
No? I'm still thinking about what the what RFK Junior
called me. I don't think it was Jerry. I thought
it was Jerry.
Speaker 1 (15:21):
I don't think it was Jerry. I don't think it
was I think it was Greg. I think that we'll
have to go back and find it. Let's find it,
let's find it. We'll put it to all right, all right.
AI is crept into all crevasses of life, hasn't it crevices?
Crevasses that's on the.
Speaker 2 (15:38):
Side, not a mountain climber size.
Speaker 1 (15:40):
I would argue that it is. It is climbed into
both crevasses and crevices, big and small. It's everywhere. Well,
now lawyers are turning to AI to prepare their cases,
and they're sighting fake precedent in court.
Speaker 2 (15:56):
Wait, do this if I was a lawyer?
Speaker 1 (15:58):
But I think I think it's been done before. You know,
you think the judge is the know all be all,
But there's a lot of judges that maybe not you know,
maybe some fake cases have been thrown around.
Speaker 3 (16:09):
In McGillicutty versus Bergshire or the court rules.
Speaker 1 (16:12):
I would be surprised.
Speaker 4 (16:15):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
am six forty.
Speaker 3 (16:21):
We're getting an update, actually it's taking place right now
from Bill A. Sale, the United States attorney about the
Palm Springs bombing that took place, and they have apparently
arrested yet another person, this one in New York at
JFK Airport in Queens arrested in connection with the bombing
(16:42):
in Palm Springs. Expected to make his initial court appearance
this afternoon in Brooklyn before he makes his way out
here to California. A couple of Chinese nationals have been
charged with allegedly smuggling into the United States a fungus
called Fusarium Graham Neural scientific literature classifies it as a
(17:04):
potential agro terrorism weapon.
Speaker 1 (17:08):
Is this from the Chinese people that were arrested?
Speaker 3 (17:10):
That is from the Chinese people who were arrested, But
we don't know what they were planning to do with it.
They said they were researching it and taking it to
a school I think in the Upper Midwest.
Speaker 5 (17:19):
But hey, guys, I just wanted to tell you that
I really loved listening to the Jerry and Sherry show.
Speaker 2 (17:24):
Oh, thank you very mind. Goodbye.
Speaker 1 (17:26):
I'm partial to Dick and Sandy.
Speaker 6 (17:28):
Shannon, welcome back. I was assisting yesterday. As somebody suggested,
you got suspended for Dad Mouse and Bill handled.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
You shouldn't get suspended.
Speaker 6 (17:36):
You should get a golden mic.
Speaker 1 (17:40):
Somebody. I think I retweeted it because it made me happy. Yeah,
someone said, I hope you didn't get suspended for saying
the F word on the weekend podcast. That would be silly.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
True.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
Also, did I say the F word? Yes? I did. Probably.
I don't you remember what the weekend podcast was about,
but my mom, yes.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
The celebrity crushes.
Speaker 1 (18:04):
When I think, yes, it was, it was okay. My
mom said that she listened to our weekend.
Speaker 2 (18:09):
Podcastan please don't do that.
Speaker 1 (18:11):
She said it made her walk around the block go
that much quicker. And I'm like, Mom, that's not for you,
you know, please don't. She's like, oh, I thought I
was listening to Friday's show. I just put on whatever
the most recent one was, and she stumbled into the Weekend.
I'm like, oh, that's not for you mom stick to
the broadcast show.
Speaker 3 (18:32):
I feel like you should curate the list of podcast
episodes for her to listen to.
Speaker 1 (18:37):
Yeah, I do too, But she's out there free as
an American should be listening to whatever she can get
her hands on.
Speaker 3 (18:43):
Oh, we had somebody who says that they have used
AI in a court case.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
We'll get to that in just a second.
Speaker 3 (18:48):
There is a story in the Washington Post about how
some lawyers have been using AI, I think chat ept
or Grock or something like that to come up with
and write legal bris or in some cases scan through hundreds,
dozens or hundreds of court cases to try to find
rulings that would bolster their case. And there's a weird
(19:13):
there is a weird term that has come out of
this AI. Damian Charlotteine is a Paris based legal researcher
who maintains a database of cases of artificial intelligence hallucinations
filed in court. This guy's keeping a list of these
things AI hallucinations.
Speaker 1 (19:33):
Why are they using the term hallucination.
Speaker 3 (19:36):
Because it the AI's coming up with and apparently confidently
creating or fabricating cases, specifically in these legal terms that
do not exist.
Speaker 1 (19:48):
It's funny that AI is caught on so quickly to
cheating the system. AI has become human really quick. Instead
of doing the research to go through all the cases
to find precedent, AI is cutting corners just like every
good student would and is trying to cheat its way
through doing the actual legwork.
Speaker 3 (20:10):
This French guy who's maintaining this database say is that
he has found ninety five instances in the United States
of legal AI hallucinations since June of twenty three, fifty
eight of them this year. And they include cases where
lawyers or other people in the court admit to using
AI in a filing that contains errors, or judges reported
(20:33):
references to non existent cases or quotation.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
They say it's been accelerating and judges aren't happy. In May,
there was an appeals court and Utah that ordered an
attorney to pay one thousand dollars to a Utah Legal
Aid foundation because he or she submitted a brief with
references to non existent cases that the attorney later attributed
to AI. When called on it, they're like, yeah, I
just I went ahead and googled that. The AI respond
(21:00):
and I ran with the.
Speaker 3 (21:01):
Thing is that judges are judges for a reason many
of them are elevated because they're good at what they
do when they when they were originally lawyers. And one
of the things that many judges will not do is
just take your word for it. If you file a
legal brief with references to another legal case, you're trying
to show precedent or make the argument that the judge
should follow precedent in another case. It's kind of going
(21:22):
to go through and check it.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
I don't know if they are I think really averse game.
I think that some judges are meticulous. Others are not
going to read the whole thing. Well, I just I cannot.
I just believe judges are just like us. There are
judges that are buy the book, and then judges that
are just like, all right, okay, I'll take your word
for it. You know what, because that why wouldn't they
take their word for it? You know, an attorney presents
(21:45):
a briefer, you know what, have you? You would assume
the research is legit.
Speaker 3 (21:51):
Now that we're talking about it, there's a potential for
these judges, those that would be less meticulous, to start
paying attention to it.
Speaker 2 (21:59):
Steven Gillery is a law professor NYU.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
He said, I thought that after the first such incident
that being a legal brief using AI made national news,
there would be no more. But apparently the temptation is
too great. Yeah, it makes perfect sense. I mentioned that
somebody let us know that they have used AI before.
Speaker 8 (22:17):
Hey, Gary and Shannon, I heard you talking about AI
and lawyers. I am not a lawyer, but I represented
myself in a very sticky case, so say save you
the details, but representing myself, I'm not a lawyer. Hopefully
I'm kind of a smart guy, but I use a
lot of AI for my court statements. And opposing counsel
had so many times where they just had no response
(22:38):
and used AI. I was actually a little surprised at
opposing counsel, but it was AI and then hopefully just
some smartness on my partner.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
This work different. That's different that you can totally use
AI to shape your arguments in court. It's the making
up cases for precedent that's the problem.
Speaker 3 (22:53):
And that he mentioned he's a smart and smart enough guy.
That'd be like you asking AI to help you out
with aver SA turn paper something like that in college
and either turning in whatever AI completely fabricated for you
or using it as sort of the tool to go
back and correct your own writing or whatever it is.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You know that guy sounds smart enough to be able
to do it right.
Speaker 1 (23:18):
Coming up next another example of why I know I
don't know art. You ever see a piece of art
and you're just like, ah, yeah, I still don't get it,
Like I get a nice pieta I like to see
in some nice pictures of baby Jesus in the arms
(23:40):
of Mary. I understand the beauty of some you know,
impressionistic work.
Speaker 2 (23:47):
I love.
Speaker 1 (23:48):
I love all of it. But when it gets to
be a little bit on the on the fringes, I
start wondering what I'm doing in such gallery.
Speaker 2 (23:59):
It loses a p.
Speaker 1 (24:00):
And this is case in point.
Speaker 2 (24:02):
Gary and Shannon will continue Amy king.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
It's big too, isn't it. Yeah, it looks big.
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Kean's pulling the plug.
Speaker 4 (24:12):
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Speaker 3 (24:20):
Stanley Cup Final start tonight Florida Panthers at the Edmonton
Oilers ah and then NBA Final start tomorrow night. That's
the Indianda Pacers at the Oklahoma See thunder.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
I always love the juxtaposition of a team from Florida
facing a team from Canada when it comes to hockey.
I mean I realized that all the Canadians and the
like are all infiltrated.
Speaker 3 (24:41):
Yeah, but still Angels beat the Red Sox in ten
innings four to three, so they're actually warming up right now.
They'll play next hour. First pitch A Dodgers beat the
Mets in ten innings. They beat them six to five,
so they'll play later tonight seven to ten. It is
the first pitch in that one. Welcome back, by the way,
and you're back.
Speaker 1 (24:59):
You're like my chat GBT that I've renamed you as Poppy.
Speaker 8 (25:03):
I can't live without you.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
I need you every day. I'm so glad you returned.
Oh did you just compare me to chat GPT?
Speaker 3 (25:11):
Yes, but she's she said, she changed the name of
chat cheep Poppy Poppy.
Speaker 2 (25:16):
That's just a great name.
Speaker 1 (25:17):
I love that. I am right up there with Ai.
Speaker 6 (25:20):
What's up, Baron Chancion, glad to have you back.
Speaker 3 (25:24):
Hey, Gary's hotter Terry Hatcher Tango and Cash or Terry Hatcher.
Speaker 1 (25:29):
Oh Man, Lois and Clark?
Speaker 4 (25:31):
Which one do you think.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
Are we doing Terry Hatcher porn today or not?
Speaker 3 (25:35):
But If you want to go back and listen to
the Weekend Fix, anywhere you find our podcast is type
in Gary and she Anywhere you listen to any podcast,
type in Gary and Shannon and our podcast comes up.
You can go back and check out that Weekend Please,
which is the segment that does not air during the
week Please.
Speaker 1 (25:52):
Please stop sending me pictures of both Terry Hatcher and
Diane Keaton with the caption for Gary if you want
to send these to him, He's got his own methods
of communicating.
Speaker 2 (26:01):
I have my own phone.
Speaker 1 (26:02):
I don't need to pass them along. My phone is
filled up when it comes to photos of Terry hatch
or Diane Keaton, who I enjoy I enjoy them both.
Don't make me hate them. You've been to Amsterdam, yes, okay,
in and out. I haven't spent a lot of time there.
Speaker 3 (26:21):
The Red Light District is legendary because that's where legalized
prostitution takes place, et cetera. Amsterdam also famous for its
cannabis bars, drug bars. The Netherlands National Museum now has
a new object on display that they said sort of
sheds a light on the Red Light District. In the
(26:43):
history of this two hundred year old place.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
It's a condom, a two hundred year old condom.
Speaker 3 (26:53):
Believe to be made around the year eighteen thirty from
a sheep's appendix.
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I was gonna say, what is this made from? And
did you have to sew? Okay, okay, wait.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
Yeah, questions? All right, we'll start with the basics. Go ahead.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Eighteen thirty. You realize that when you have the boom
boom time, a baby.
Speaker 2 (27:14):
Pops out boom time.
Speaker 1 (27:18):
Uh, And so you say, how do I prevent my
stuff from making one of those? Right?
Speaker 2 (27:24):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (27:25):
And how do you come up with? Oh, I'll take
the lining of a sheep's appendix to cover my penis
with before I have sex, Like, how does that happen?
Show me that?
Speaker 2 (27:39):
Do you think to yourself, I need something to wrap.
Speaker 3 (27:41):
This up in, to wrap this up and to prevent
the sheep's appendix.
Speaker 1 (27:45):
I know, I'll gut a sheep and then carve up
the appendix to get the lining, and then and then
sew it around my Johnson like like.
Speaker 2 (27:54):
You're just you're sewing it.
Speaker 1 (27:55):
Well, I mean it doesn't. I don't know how do
you get to that level of thought of maybe you
just haven extensive knowledge about the sheep, because you eat
the sheep, you know all the sheep's parts, and so
you're thinking, oh, that sheeplining that would be it's smooth,
it's thin. I'll put that on my penis and see
(28:15):
how that works out. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
I don't know either.
Speaker 1 (28:19):
But furthermore, how does a condom last for two hundred years?
I mean, it's like a it's like a ho ho,
it's like a ding dong at this point, it's got
preservatives that keep it alive for two hundred years.
Speaker 2 (28:31):
Well, I don't know where it's been.
Speaker 1 (28:33):
Well, I think we could make some guesses, Garrett, No,
I mean it is a condom.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
I don't know where it's been kept for these for
these many many years. They said that they believe that
this may have been a souvenir from a brothel.
Speaker 1 (28:46):
I have another question.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
It's got right or not writing, but it's got it's
a little piece of art on it.
Speaker 1 (28:51):
Yeah, and this is my question. The art that is
drawn on the condom is an image of a nun
and the clergymen. How the hell is that a reality
in this world that you would have a condom that's
two hundred years old nay adorned with a nun, like
(29:15):
who looks at a picture of a nun and is like,
let's go to boom boom time.
Speaker 3 (29:20):
I do think that you're missing some of the irony
that the artist was perhaps trying.
Speaker 1 (29:26):
To irony Or is this something that the nun used
with the clergyman. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (29:32):
I don't think it's that. I think it's a nun.
Speaker 1 (29:33):
Would be in real trouble if she, if she had a.
Speaker 3 (29:36):
Baby, probably somebody double birds to the church at that point.
Speaker 1 (29:41):
No, that's see, that's more nefarious. My story came out
of love between the nun and the clergyman. Yours came
out of you know, church shaming.
Speaker 2 (29:50):
So yours is blasphemy.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Mine is love.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Okay.
Speaker 1 (29:58):
The phrase this is my choice is written along this show,
maybe onto something in French. You're damn right, Maybe I
do understand art Jerry come back.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
One of my favorite aspects of urban living, which I
haven't ever really done, is the old buildings that exist.
Speaker 2 (30:23):
Did you ever watch, speaking.
Speaker 3 (30:25):
Of what you're watch on Wednesday, did you ever watch
Perry Mason? There's the remake of it that's been on
age now, not the remates that has done an amazing
job of selling nineteen thirties Nor Yeah, nineteen thirties LA.
We're going to be talking with an author about a
new book that is out regarding basically before the freeways
(30:47):
in Los Angeles and what life was like around here.
Gary Shannon will continue right after this. You've been listening
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