November 18, 2025 • 26 mins
Gary goes solo as the House prepares for the high stakes vote to release the Epstein files. He breaks down the political fallout, Marjorie Taylor Greene’s escalating fight with President Trump, and why Democrats think the release could damage Trump. Plus, The Hill’s Amie Parnes joins to explain the key players, and Gary ends the hour with the shocking revelation about former Clinton official Larry Summers and his ties to Epstein.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Shannon's out today. I keep pushing buttons without or I'm
all confused.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
But we have a lot. We have a lot to
get to today. Obviously, the Epstein File story. We're going
to start with that because that vote is coming down,
probably right around when we get into swamp Watch a
little bit later in the show. There's a bunch going
on in terms of our weather. Of course, the rain
has moved on. It looks like for the most part
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for today, there is some rain out in the way
out in the desert, like if you're driving to Arizona,
you're going to see some of that. But other than that,
it's pretty much gone for a lot of southern California today.
The good news is it will not be coming back
anytime soon. The expectation is that we're going to have
some rain probably late Thursday, maybe Friday, and potentially through
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Thanksgiving week. Big deal this morning was a key piece
of the Internet's infrastructure suffered a global outage. Error messages
shot up. If you got up early this morning, cloud
Flare a company that services include defending millions of websites
against attacks, experienced an unidentified problem. They said they have
(01:20):
not yet explained if it's a hack, if it was
malicious or anything like that, but some site owners couldn't
access their performance dashboards. They said x open Ai suffered
increased outages at the same time as the cloud Flare
problem that came up. White House is welcoming the Saudi
(01:40):
crown prints today. Muhammed Ben Solomon at the White House
President just yesterday told reporters that the United States is
going to be selling F thirty five's to the Saudis.
That kind of throws a wrench into the current makeup
of the Middle East. So we'll talk about that, we
get into swamp watch a bit. They or Raley North
(02:00):
Carolina said that federal agents are going to continue their
operations in the area today. Agents fanned out across Charlotte
over the weekend, detaining more than one hundred and thirty
people within about I guess it was about forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Speak of the House, Mike Johnson this morning did make
an announcement about this vote to force the Department of
Justice to release the Epstein files. Among other things that
we're kind of surprising is he said he's going to
vote to move this thing forward.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I'm going to vote to move this forward.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I think it could be close to the unanimous vote
because everybody here, all the Republicans, want to go on
record a show through for maximum transparency, but they also
want to note that we're demanding that this stuff get
corrected before it has ever moves through the process and
is completed.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Now, his point there that almost everybody will vote to
pass it was echoed by Tom Emmer.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
He happens to be the majority whip.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
That's the guy that goes around and basically makes sure
that they have the votes.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That they need on different pieces of legislation.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
That's different than what we were told a couple of
weeks ago, which is that Republicans were anxious about this,
that they weren't convinced that this was the right path
to go. Because President Trump was anxious about this and
wasn't convinced that this was going to be the right.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Way to go.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
The push to release these files was not welcomed by
Republican lawmakers in the House, at least not until Sunday.
President Trump then on Sunday Night said, yeah, go ahead
and release it. Now, what's weird is he has the
ability to do it all by himself. One of the
reasons I think he wants the House to do it
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is it removes him. It kind of takes him a
step away from the official order to the Department of
Justice to release this. He would still have to sign
this bill. It would go from the House to the Senate,
and then from the Senate to the President's day ask
for a signature before it becomes official. So there is that,
but outside of as long as he can say that
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this was a legislatively motivated act, he does get to
sit just a slight distance away from it.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
One of the things that Mike Johnson talked about there
are a series of things, actually, was that we need
to be careful with the information that is contained in
these Department of Justice files.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
We've got to make sure that.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
We disclose the names of anybody who aided or conspired
in any way with Jeffrey Epstein. But at the same time,
you've got to make sure that as people are protected.
So we have to do this in a way that
doesn't violate victim privacy, that doesn't create new victims. That
doesn't disclose the names of any whistleblower or informant that
causes the release of grandeur materials or child sexual abuse materials,
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or undermines our national security. And I think everybody of
good conscience and common sense would say, of course, of
course you have to do that.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
There is some issue about whether the Senate will past
this thing, or even John Thune, the Senate majority leader,
read even aloud on the floor. I think he is
going to, but it's not a given. Now there's some
weird things about this as well. This has prompted a
rift between very far right Republicans think Marjorie Taylor Green
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Lauren Bobert, for example, and President Trump. So there's that.
In fact, Marjorie Taylor Green said some pretty salacious that's
not the right word, some pretty pointed things about President
Trump this morning on the steps of the Capitol. I'll
play for you. But also Michael Wolf this journalist finger quotes.
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I'm using this journalist writer who has profiled some very
high profile people, was in the middle of writing a
profile on Jeffrey Epstein and was doing dirty stuff just
to get close to this guy.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
We'll talk about that as well, when we come.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Back listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Forty funeral services are going to be held this morning
for that San Bernardino County Deputy Sean killed last month
after the or i should say, just before the suspect
led authorities on that high speed motorcycle chase and an
off duty officer in a car actually nudged the guy
and he flipped over the handlebars. Deputy Andrew Nuniez is
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going to be honored with this funeral procession that's going
on right now. The funeral itself is not open to
the public, but it will begin at eleven am at
Toyota Arena in Ontario. We were talking about the House
vote expected sometime after eleven o'clock our time, regarding the
Epstein files, and the two members of Congress that were
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by far the most vocal and obviously put together the
discharge petition to get this thing done, Congressman Thomas Massey
and Congressman Rocanna, they both want this morning, said they
want to move this thing quickly to the Senate.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Let me try it again.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
If you want to add some additional protections for these survivors,
go for it. But if you do anything that prevents
any disclosure, you are not for the people and you
are not part of this effort. Do not muck it
up in the Senate.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
President Trump has said he would sign the Epstein Transparency Act.
It's going to get overwhelming support in the House. It
should go straight to the Senate, and it should be signed.
No amendments, no adding loopholes. Justice is long overdue.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
This was echoed by some of the women who had
been victimized by Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
They were also on the steps of the Capitol today.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I know everybody sees us today as grown adults, but
we are fighting for the children that were abandoned and
left behind in the reckoning.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This is who you're fighting for.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
I was a child. I was in ninth I was.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Hopeful for life and what the future had held for me.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
He stole a lot from me.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
By at fourteen.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
So the administration as soon as last week or as recently,
I guess as last week, had been trying to put
pressure on some Republicans in the House to not sign
on to this petition. The petition itself got enough signatures
when the congresswoman, the newly elected congresswoman from Arizona was
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finally sworn in. She became the two hundred and eighteenth
signature on the petition. Petition then forces this House vote,
which is what we're doing today. They tried to get
some Republicans to not sign onto that petition, including Lauren
Bobert of Colorado, and in fact, Pam Bondi and Cash Ptel.
The Attorney General and the director of the FBI summoned
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her to the White House Situation Room last week. Several
different outlets said this and they wanted to discuss her
position on all of this. The President also instructed the
Justice Department to investigate any of the Epstein ties to
prominent Democrats. That doesn't really do much of anything other
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than potentially tie this up. I mean, the Justice Department
could say, hey, we can't release anything because we're in
the midst of this deeper investigation.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It seems like they've already done this before.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
But Marjorie Taylor Green was on the steps of the
Capitol this morning. She was out there with Thomas Massey,
with Rocanna, with these victims at Epstein victims and.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
No, there's no love loss.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
For some reason between Marjorie Taylor Green and President Trump.
Trump has called her a trader. He had said it
multiple times. One of the things that she has been
adamant about is that these files must be released for
the purposes of transparency. They have to be and she
said that she has been receiving threats ever since Trump
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labeled her a trader. This is what she said this
morning again on the steps of the US Capitol.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
I was called a trader by a man that I
fought for five no actually six years for and I
gave him my loyalty for free. I won my first
selection without his endorsement, beating eight men in a primary.
And I've never owed him anything, but I fought for him,
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for the policies and for America first. And he called
me a trader for standing with these women and refusing
to take my name off the discharge petition. Let me
tell you what a trader is. A trader is an
American that serves foreign countries and themselves. A patriot is
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an American that serves the United States of America and
Americans like the women standing behind me.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Okay, no punch is pulled there. It seems like whatever
rift exists between them between Marjorie Taylor Green and Donald
Trump is not going away anytime soon now. One of
the concerns that Speaker Johnson had about the way the
current bill is written is that it doesn't offer protections
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for people whose names might be in these files that
really had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein's criminal activities.
He was an advisor to a lot of people on
financial matters, and there are going to be plenty of
names of people that he was associated with that had
either no idea or no involvement with any of the
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child sex trafficking that he was eventually accused of convicted
of in one case. But so there is that concern,
and some of those names would be redacted. The concern,
according to Mike Johnson, was that this is going to
create a whole new list of victims really don't have
anything to do with this case. But there are people
in this case. There are people whose names have come
out that are absolute dirt bags with mud all over them,
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and one of them a former Treasury secretary who should
go under a rock and allow himself to willow away
and die. Larry Summers is an absolute dirt bag to
his core, and we'll explain why we now know that
based on some of these files that have come out.
Garyan Shannon will continue.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
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Speaker 3 (12:32):
A little less than two hours from now, we do
expect to see a series of votes in the House
of Representatives, and one of them is going to potentially
compel the Department of Justice to release all of the
Epstein files that we know about. Amy Parnes, writer for
The Hill dot Com, has a new piece out today
that suggests that Democrats are excited about this because they
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believe that whatever is in those files is going to
paint President Trump with a pretty dark light. So we'll
see if anything comes out of that. Amy joins us
now to talk about this first. Amy, thanks for taking
time for us today.
Speaker 9 (13:11):
Sure, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
The expectation, at least the way Mike Johnson speakers said
it this morning, was virtually everybody in the House is
going to vote to pass this thing.
Speaker 9 (13:23):
Yeah, yeah, yes, but that's a that's different than what
we were expecting even just a couple of weeks ago.
It is, and you know, I was talking to folks
this weekend on the Republican side, and they said, you know,
this is a really bad look for us. A lot
of people wanted to support it. They were getting support
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from a lot of Republicans even before Trump indicated that
he would get behind it, and Speaker Johnson said this
morning that he would support it because people, you know,
this was something that if you look at polling, it's
something that's important to a lot of constituents around the country,
and a lot of the lawmakers are hearing from those
constituents now to express that there is a need for
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transparency and these documents do need to come out.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
A few of the Republicans are the ones getting attention
for all this. Marjorie Taylor Green, of course because of
the falling out that she's apparently had with the President,
but also Laura and Bobert. There's been some reporting and
a couple of different outlets that she was called to
a meeting in the Situation Room at the White House
to head with to meet with Pam Bondi, ag FBI
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director at Cash Bettel, and they are trying to convince
her to take her name off of the petition to
force this vote in the first place.
Speaker 9 (14:43):
And that's the problem, right now you're seeing a real
split with MAGA supporters of people like Marjorie Taylor Green,
and I suspect other people I'm hearing about them kind
of behind the scenes, but other people who are really
uncomfortable with how this is all playing out. And yes,
I think President Trump was worried about it. This is
why he didn't initially support it. It's why Speaker Johnson,
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you know, sent the House home this summer. A lot
of people didn't want to support this, a lot of
House leadership and the President obviously, and when they saw
that their caucus was moving forward without it, and a
lot of people would had already signed on, that was
worrisome to them. And I think that they sort of
bowed to that pressure.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
The general consensus that I've seen, whether it's Thomas Massey,
who was one of the originators of this plan to
force the DOJ to release the files, even other Democrats,
even some Democrats I should say, they don't expect there
to be any sort of connection, or I should say,
any new connection between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump and
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these files. What are we expecting in these files?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
That's sort of.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
The big question mark. Now I think a lot of
people are. You know, they they want their Democrats obviously
want there to be some sort of connection to Trump.
But you know, even the Democrats have spoken to have
said even if there is no direct connection and he's
not culpable here, what this does prove is it paints
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a picture of a president who is who wants to
support these you know, these friends of his and elite circles,
these donors. And that's even what Congressman Matthew acknowledge that
he thinks that, uh, the president won't be indicted in this, Uh,
there won't be anything implicating him, but that he is
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trying to protect these people that are close to him,
big time donors and these these other folks, and that's
sort of his motivation for doing so.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I mean, we do have we do have a year
before the mid terms. Uh does is this going to
be an issue eleven well, eleven and a half months from.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
Now, It's a lot ways away and it remains to
be seen. I mean, people ask me the shutdown will
become an issue. I don't think that. I think we'll
move so far past that that people won't even remember.
And I think this might be an issue depending on
how Republicans handle it right now. If you heard from
a couple of these victims this morning, one of them
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in particular, who was a Trump supporter, who said that
she didn't like how the President's can handling this. And
so I do think that when it comes to transparency,
I think that's an issue that's important to a lot
of people. And it won't be it won't be the
foremost issue, but it will be an important one to
a lot of voters.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
And then, finally, is there any chance the Senate sits
on this, that John Fune doesn't bring it to the
floor or they mess with this in such a way
that the House isn't happy.
Speaker 9 (17:49):
Well, he's getting a lot of pressure right now too.
This is a majority leader in the Senate. He's feeling
a lot of pressure. I'm hearing from a lot of
sources at the moment that they are talking King Jim
and he understands what's at stake here. But as we
heard from Speaker Johnson this morning, he's saying, we couldn't
do we couldn't amend this, but the Senate can, and
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so it might be held up a little bit in
the Senate. And I'm curious to see what happens there.
It's a big TVD but we'll know shortly how they proceed.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
All right, Amy, great Zeff, thank you, thank you so much.
Amy Parton's there from the Hill dot Com again her
piece today about Democrats predicting that this is going to
hit some Trump supporters pretty hard. I mentioned the Larry
Summers story, and we'll get to that here in just
a second, specifically about how this one time Treasury secretary
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is a lot closer to Jeffrey Epstein than he wanted
to admit and is now stepping away from some public duties.
But also later in the show, should you be available
after hours for work? Should you accept the phone call
from the bos or the supervisor after work hours?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't know how it works where you are. I mean,
our phones are always on.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Depending on what's going on, of course, But when's the
craziest time had you got a call from a boss,
like you were on vacation and they wanted you to
do something middle of the night and they wanted you
to do something. What's the craziest time your boss or
your supervisor asked you to do something for work? You
can leave us a message on the talkback feature on
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A little bit later in the show, we're going to
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something at one in the morning or two in the
afternoon when you've already worked all night.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Hey, Gary and Shannon, the craziest time I ever had
a boss call me was some time around have you
wanted to write an email with me? So we stayed
up until almost one o'clock, all writing and editing and
rewriting that stupid email. Now, he was the greatest mentor
I ever had, But that was the stupidest waste of
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time I've also ever experienced. Anyways, look at show.
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The worst, the worst after hours request that you've had
from a boss. A couple hours from now, the House
is going to vote on the Jeffrey Epstein files, forcing
the Department of Justice to release those. There's a couple
of people who have already been implicated in this case.
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One of them has been lately getting into more trouble
now that we know some more information. Larry Summers, former
treasurer secretary under President Bill Clinton, former president at Harvard University,
still teaching, but has said that he is going to
be taking a break from some of the public commitments
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that he has had. He will still teach for now.
I think that's actually going to go by the wayside
pretty quickly, but he said I will be stepping back
from public commitments. Is one part of my broader effort
to rebuild trust, repair relationships with the people closest to me.
This guy was all over Jeffrey Epstein, flew on the
plane four times. He also, even though there was litigation
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against Jeffrey Epstein, he stayed buddies with this guy. He
was also a top official at Harvard when Jeffrey Epstein
was giving millions of dollars to the school. Elizabeth Warren
has come out with a statement that said, Summers demonstrated
his attraction to serving the wealthy and well connected, but
his willingness to cozy up to a convicted sex offender
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demonstrates monumentally bad judgment.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Now, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Larry Sorry, Larry Summers had this relationship with Jeffrey Epstein
that lasted long after Epstein got convicted in Florida for
sex trafficking, and lasted until at least a few months
before Jeffrey Epstein died or suicided himself or whatever in
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August of twenty nineteen. In one email exchange in twenty nineteen,
again this is after we knew that he was a
convicted sex trafficker, Epstein gave Larry Summers dating advice date
dating advice from a convicted sex trafficker. The timing of
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all of it is notable because it was just a
few months before he was federally charged. It was July
of twenty nineteen that he was federally charged, and then,
of course August of nineteen that he killed himself. It
also happened months after the Miami Harold published an in
depth report about Jeffrey Epstein and called him a serial
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sex abuser and pushed him back into the national spotlight.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Now this guy.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
They talked about dating, they talked about women, they talked
about whether or not Jeffrey Epstein was going to be
visiting mar A Lago, all of these things. And again,
the biggest issue is that it happened after he had
already been convicted of sex trafficking and while he was
under investigation by the FEDS for the sex charges that
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were eventually filed against him. Awful, gross, disgusting. Here's another
guy that is caught up in all of this, although
his excuse is quite interesting. Michael Wolfe author Michael Wolfe
was putting together a profile. It's about a nine thousand
word profile.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Ten to eleven printed out pages is what I have here.
It was an incomplete in that it just wasn't edited
and finished, but it is part of the House Oversight
Committee emails that were released. They released twenty thousand emails,
and in this profile, Michael wolf paints a very rosy
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picture of Jeffrey Epstein. By twenty fourteen, Michael wolf was
spending hours at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion watching a parade of
guys troop through. He asked Jeffrey Epstein to persuade some
of those friends, particularly Bill Gates he found most interesting
to try to talk to him, and Michael wolf would
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send over a draft to Jeffrey Epstein a sense of
what might come out of the reporting process, like basically, hey,
here's a big pr piece I could write for you
if you give me access to these people.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Bensmith, writing for semaphore dot com, talked about the absolute
journalistic flushing of integrity that Michael Wolfe had to go
through in order to get this kind of access, and
the twenty fourteen profile again that's when this was written.
Basically ends with the description of the house itself, the
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people in and out, the kind of people that are there,
and he basically ends with I hope I get invited
back to Jeffrey's house soon. So he kissed up to
Jeffrey Epstein for a very long time in the hopes
of getting information. And one of the things he just
said recently to the writer again for Semaphore or Ben Smith,
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was how do you get inside with these people? He's
basically arguing that what he was going to do was
write a takedown piece of Jeffrey Epstein, but to get
all of the information. He had to pretend like he
was going to write a good profile. How do you
get inside with these people? There's not a lot of mystery.
You suck up and then you spit out. According to
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Michael Wolf, the guy was willing to get as dirty
as possible just to get this profile. Ont Jeffrey Epstein,
all right, up next, look at our reign. Of course
it's coming back. There's a new story also about the
world of political operatives up in Sacramento. Specifically, this is
a follow to the Daniel Williamson story. She was the
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former chief of staff for Governor Newsom who was accused
of stealing money out of Javier Bsera's accounts. We'll talk
about that, and of course, should companies expect employees to
be reachable after hours? That's coming up next on Gary
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Shannon's out today. I keep pushing buttons without or I'm
all confused.
Speaker 3 (00:14):
But we have a lot. We have a lot to
get to today. Obviously, the Epstein File story. We're going
to start with that because that vote is coming down,
probably right around when we get into swamp Watch a
little bit later in the show. There's a bunch going
on in terms of our weather. Of course, the rain
has moved on. It looks like for the most part
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for today, there is some rain out in the way
out in the desert, like if you're driving to Arizona,
you're going to see some of that. But other than that,
it's pretty much gone for a lot of southern California today.
The good news is it will not be coming back
anytime soon. The expectation is that we're going to have
some rain probably late Thursday, maybe Friday, and potentially through
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Thanksgiving week. Big deal this morning was a key piece
of the Internet's infrastructure suffered a global outage. Error messages
shot up. If you got up early this morning, cloud
Flare a company that services include defending millions of websites
against attacks, experienced an unidentified problem. They said they have
(01:20):
not yet explained if it's a hack, if it was
malicious or anything like that, but some site owners couldn't
access their performance dashboards. They said x open Ai suffered
increased outages at the same time as the cloud Flare
problem that came up. White House is welcoming the Saudi
(01:40):
crown prints today. Muhammed Ben Solomon at the White House
President just yesterday told reporters that the United States is
going to be selling F thirty five's to the Saudis.
That kind of throws a wrench into the current makeup
of the Middle East. So we'll talk about that, we
get into swamp watch a bit. They or Raley North
(02:00):
Carolina said that federal agents are going to continue their
operations in the area today. Agents fanned out across Charlotte
over the weekend, detaining more than one hundred and thirty
people within about I guess it was about forty eight hours.
Speaker 2 (02:14):
Well.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Speak of the House, Mike Johnson this morning did make
an announcement about this vote to force the Department of
Justice to release the Epstein files. Among other things that
we're kind of surprising is he said he's going to
vote to move this thing forward.
Speaker 2 (02:33):
I'm going to vote to move this forward.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
I think it could be close to the unanimous vote
because everybody here, all the Republicans, want to go on
record a show through for maximum transparency, but they also
want to note that we're demanding that this stuff get
corrected before it has ever moves through the process and
is completed.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (02:49):
Now, his point there that almost everybody will vote to
pass it was echoed by Tom Emmer.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
He happens to be the majority whip.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
That's the guy that goes around and basically makes sure
that they have the votes.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
That they need on different pieces of legislation.
Speaker 3 (03:03):
That's different than what we were told a couple of
weeks ago, which is that Republicans were anxious about this,
that they weren't convinced that this was the right path
to go. Because President Trump was anxious about this and
wasn't convinced that this was going to be the right.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
Way to go.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
The push to release these files was not welcomed by
Republican lawmakers in the House, at least not until Sunday.
President Trump then on Sunday Night said, yeah, go ahead
and release it. Now, what's weird is he has the
ability to do it all by himself. One of the
reasons I think he wants the House to do it
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is it removes him. It kind of takes him a
step away from the official order to the Department of
Justice to release this. He would still have to sign
this bill. It would go from the House to the Senate,
and then from the Senate to the President's day ask
for a signature before it becomes official. So there is that,
but outside of as long as he can say that
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this was a legislatively motivated act, he does get to
sit just a slight distance away from it.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
Now.
Speaker 3 (04:15):
One of the things that Mike Johnson talked about there
are a series of things, actually, was that we need
to be careful with the information that is contained in
these Department of Justice files.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
We've got to make sure that.
Speaker 4 (04:29):
We disclose the names of anybody who aided or conspired
in any way with Jeffrey Epstein. But at the same time,
you've got to make sure that as people are protected.
So we have to do this in a way that
doesn't violate victim privacy, that doesn't create new victims. That
doesn't disclose the names of any whistleblower or informant that
causes the release of grandeur materials or child sexual abuse materials,
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or undermines our national security. And I think everybody of
good conscience and common sense would say, of course, of
course you have to do that.
Speaker 3 (04:56):
There is some issue about whether the Senate will past
this thing, or even John Thune, the Senate majority leader,
read even aloud on the floor. I think he is
going to, but it's not a given. Now there's some
weird things about this as well. This has prompted a
rift between very far right Republicans think Marjorie Taylor Green
(05:18):
Lauren Bobert, for example, and President Trump. So there's that.
In fact, Marjorie Taylor Green said some pretty salacious that's
not the right word, some pretty pointed things about President
Trump this morning on the steps of the Capitol. I'll
play for you. But also Michael Wolf this journalist finger quotes.
(05:39):
I'm using this journalist writer who has profiled some very
high profile people, was in the middle of writing a
profile on Jeffrey Epstein and was doing dirty stuff just
to get close to this guy.
Speaker 2 (05:56):
We'll talk about that as well, when we come.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
Back listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six.
Speaker 3 (06:04):
Forty funeral services are going to be held this morning
for that San Bernardino County Deputy Sean killed last month
after the or i should say, just before the suspect
led authorities on that high speed motorcycle chase and an
off duty officer in a car actually nudged the guy
and he flipped over the handlebars. Deputy Andrew Nuniez is
(06:27):
going to be honored with this funeral procession that's going
on right now. The funeral itself is not open to
the public, but it will begin at eleven am at
Toyota Arena in Ontario. We were talking about the House
vote expected sometime after eleven o'clock our time, regarding the
Epstein files, and the two members of Congress that were
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by far the most vocal and obviously put together the
discharge petition to get this thing done, Congressman Thomas Massey
and Congressman Rocanna, they both want this morning, said they
want to move this thing quickly to the Senate.
Speaker 2 (07:06):
Let me try it again.
Speaker 5 (07:08):
If you want to add some additional protections for these survivors,
go for it. But if you do anything that prevents
any disclosure, you are not for the people and you
are not part of this effort. Do not muck it
up in the Senate.
Speaker 6 (07:21):
President Trump has said he would sign the Epstein Transparency Act.
It's going to get overwhelming support in the House. It
should go straight to the Senate, and it should be signed.
No amendments, no adding loopholes. Justice is long overdue.
Speaker 3 (07:36):
This was echoed by some of the women who had
been victimized by Jeffrey Epstein.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
They were also on the steps of the Capitol today.
Speaker 5 (07:43):
I know everybody sees us today as grown adults, but
we are fighting for the children that were abandoned and
left behind in the reckoning.
Speaker 2 (07:53):
This is who you're fighting for.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
I was a child. I was in ninth I was.
Speaker 2 (08:03):
Hopeful for life and what the future had held for me.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
He stole a lot from me.
Speaker 2 (08:09):
By at fourteen.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
So the administration as soon as last week or as recently,
I guess as last week, had been trying to put
pressure on some Republicans in the House to not sign
on to this petition. The petition itself got enough signatures
when the congresswoman, the newly elected congresswoman from Arizona was
(08:33):
finally sworn in. She became the two hundred and eighteenth
signature on the petition. Petition then forces this House vote,
which is what we're doing today. They tried to get
some Republicans to not sign onto that petition, including Lauren
Bobert of Colorado, and in fact, Pam Bondi and Cash Ptel.
The Attorney General and the director of the FBI summoned
(08:55):
her to the White House Situation Room last week. Several
different outlets said this and they wanted to discuss her
position on all of this. The President also instructed the
Justice Department to investigate any of the Epstein ties to
prominent Democrats. That doesn't really do much of anything other
(09:16):
than potentially tie this up. I mean, the Justice Department
could say, hey, we can't release anything because we're in
the midst of this deeper investigation.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
It seems like they've already done this before.
Speaker 3 (09:27):
But Marjorie Taylor Green was on the steps of the
Capitol this morning. She was out there with Thomas Massey,
with Rocanna, with these victims at Epstein victims and.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
No, there's no love loss.
Speaker 6 (09:41):
Now.
Speaker 3 (09:41):
For some reason between Marjorie Taylor Green and President Trump.
Trump has called her a trader. He had said it
multiple times. One of the things that she has been
adamant about is that these files must be released for
the purposes of transparency. They have to be and she
said that she has been receiving threats ever since Trump
(10:01):
labeled her a trader. This is what she said this
morning again on the steps of the US Capitol.
Speaker 8 (10:07):
I was called a trader by a man that I
fought for five no actually six years for and I
gave him my loyalty for free. I won my first
selection without his endorsement, beating eight men in a primary.
And I've never owed him anything, but I fought for him,
(10:28):
for the policies and for America first. And he called
me a trader for standing with these women and refusing
to take my name off the discharge petition. Let me
tell you what a trader is. A trader is an
American that serves foreign countries and themselves. A patriot is
(10:50):
an American that serves the United States of America and
Americans like the women standing behind me.
Speaker 3 (10:58):
Okay, no punch is pulled there. It seems like whatever
rift exists between them between Marjorie Taylor Green and Donald
Trump is not going away anytime soon now. One of
the concerns that Speaker Johnson had about the way the
current bill is written is that it doesn't offer protections
(11:20):
for people whose names might be in these files that
really had nothing to do with Jeffrey Epstein's criminal activities.
He was an advisor to a lot of people on
financial matters, and there are going to be plenty of
names of people that he was associated with that had
either no idea or no involvement with any of the
(11:41):
child sex trafficking that he was eventually accused of convicted
of in one case. But so there is that concern,
and some of those names would be redacted. The concern,
according to Mike Johnson, was that this is going to
create a whole new list of victims really don't have
anything to do with this case. But there are people
in this case. There are people whose names have come
out that are absolute dirt bags with mud all over them,
(12:06):
and one of them a former Treasury secretary who should
go under a rock and allow himself to willow away
and die. Larry Summers is an absolute dirt bag to
his core, and we'll explain why we now know that
based on some of these files that have come out.
Garyan Shannon will continue.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
A little less than two hours from now, we do
expect to see a series of votes in the House
of Representatives, and one of them is going to potentially
compel the Department of Justice to release all of the
Epstein files that we know about. Amy Parnes, writer for
The Hill dot Com, has a new piece out today
that suggests that Democrats are excited about this because they
(12:56):
believe that whatever is in those files is going to
paint President Trump with a pretty dark light. So we'll
see if anything comes out of that. Amy joins us
now to talk about this first. Amy, thanks for taking
time for us today.
Speaker 9 (13:11):
Sure, thank you for having me.
Speaker 3 (13:14):
The expectation, at least the way Mike Johnson speakers said
it this morning, was virtually everybody in the House is
going to vote to pass this thing.
Speaker 9 (13:23):
Yeah, yeah, yes, but that's a that's different than what
we were expecting even just a couple of weeks ago.
It is, and you know, I was talking to folks
this weekend on the Republican side, and they said, you know,
this is a really bad look for us. A lot
of people wanted to support it. They were getting support
(13:43):
from a lot of Republicans even before Trump indicated that
he would get behind it, and Speaker Johnson said this
morning that he would support it because people, you know,
this was something that if you look at polling, it's
something that's important to a lot of constituents around the country,
and a lot of the lawmakers are hearing from those
constituents now to express that there is a need for
(14:07):
transparency and these documents do need to come out.
Speaker 3 (14:12):
A few of the Republicans are the ones getting attention
for all this. Marjorie Taylor Green, of course because of
the falling out that she's apparently had with the President,
but also Laura and Bobert. There's been some reporting and
a couple of different outlets that she was called to
a meeting in the Situation Room at the White House
to head with to meet with Pam Bondi, ag FBI
(14:36):
director at Cash Bettel, and they are trying to convince
her to take her name off of the petition to
force this vote in the first place.
Speaker 9 (14:43):
And that's the problem, right now you're seeing a real
split with MAGA supporters of people like Marjorie Taylor Green,
and I suspect other people I'm hearing about them kind
of behind the scenes, but other people who are really
uncomfortable with how this is all playing out. And yes,
I think President Trump was worried about it. This is
why he didn't initially support it. It's why Speaker Johnson,
(15:05):
you know, sent the House home this summer. A lot
of people didn't want to support this, a lot of
House leadership and the President obviously, and when they saw
that their caucus was moving forward without it, and a
lot of people would had already signed on, that was
worrisome to them. And I think that they sort of
bowed to that pressure.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
The general consensus that I've seen, whether it's Thomas Massey,
who was one of the originators of this plan to
force the DOJ to release the files, even other Democrats,
even some Democrats I should say, they don't expect there
to be any sort of connection, or I should say,
any new connection between Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump and
(15:50):
these files. What are we expecting in these files?
Speaker 4 (15:54):
That's sort of.
Speaker 9 (15:55):
The big question mark. Now I think a lot of
people are. You know, they they want their Democrats obviously
want there to be some sort of connection to Trump.
But you know, even the Democrats have spoken to have
said even if there is no direct connection and he's
not culpable here, what this does prove is it paints
(16:16):
a picture of a president who is who wants to
support these you know, these friends of his and elite circles,
these donors. And that's even what Congressman Matthew acknowledge that
he thinks that, uh, the president won't be indicted in this, Uh,
there won't be anything implicating him, but that he is
(16:36):
trying to protect these people that are close to him,
big time donors and these these other folks, and that's
sort of his motivation for doing so.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
I mean, we do have we do have a year
before the mid terms. Uh does is this going to
be an issue eleven well, eleven and a half months from.
Speaker 9 (16:57):
Now, It's a lot ways away and it remains to
be seen. I mean, people ask me the shutdown will
become an issue. I don't think that. I think we'll
move so far past that that people won't even remember.
And I think this might be an issue depending on
how Republicans handle it right now. If you heard from
a couple of these victims this morning, one of them
(17:21):
in particular, who was a Trump supporter, who said that
she didn't like how the President's can handling this. And
so I do think that when it comes to transparency,
I think that's an issue that's important to a lot
of people. And it won't be it won't be the
foremost issue, but it will be an important one to
a lot of voters.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
And then, finally, is there any chance the Senate sits
on this, that John Fune doesn't bring it to the
floor or they mess with this in such a way
that the House isn't happy.
Speaker 9 (17:49):
Well, he's getting a lot of pressure right now too.
This is a majority leader in the Senate. He's feeling
a lot of pressure. I'm hearing from a lot of
sources at the moment that they are talking King Jim
and he understands what's at stake here. But as we
heard from Speaker Johnson this morning, he's saying, we couldn't
do we couldn't amend this, but the Senate can, and
(18:10):
so it might be held up a little bit in
the Senate. And I'm curious to see what happens there.
It's a big TVD but we'll know shortly how they proceed.
Speaker 3 (18:21):
All right, Amy, great Zeff, thank you, thank you so much.
Amy Parton's there from the Hill dot Com again her
piece today about Democrats predicting that this is going to
hit some Trump supporters pretty hard. I mentioned the Larry
Summers story, and we'll get to that here in just
a second, specifically about how this one time Treasury secretary
(18:42):
is a lot closer to Jeffrey Epstein than he wanted
to admit and is now stepping away from some public duties.
But also later in the show, should you be available
after hours for work? Should you accept the phone call
from the bos or the supervisor after work hours?
Speaker 2 (19:02):
I don't know how it works where you are. I mean,
our phones are always on.
Speaker 3 (19:05):
Depending on what's going on, of course, But when's the
craziest time had you got a call from a boss,
like you were on vacation and they wanted you to
do something middle of the night and they wanted you
to do something. What's the craziest time your boss or
your supervisor asked you to do something for work? You
can leave us a message on the talkback feature on
the iHeart app. When you're listening on the apps, hit
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that little button on the side. It's a red button,
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we'll get to those a little bit later in the show.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 3 (19:41):
A little bit later in the show, we're going to
be talking about the worst calls that you've gotten from
your boss, Like the craziest time asking you to do
something at one in the morning or two in the
afternoon when you've already worked all night.
Speaker 7 (19:54):
Hey, Gary and Shannon, the craziest time I ever had
a boss call me was some time around have you
wanted to write an email with me? So we stayed
up until almost one o'clock, all writing and editing and
rewriting that stupid email. Now, he was the greatest mentor
I ever had, But that was the stupidest waste of
(20:16):
time I've also ever experienced. Anyways, look at show.
Speaker 2 (20:20):
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Speaker 3 (20:22):
If you're listening on the app, little red button, white microphone,
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The worst, the worst after hours request that you've had
from a boss. A couple hours from now, the House
is going to vote on the Jeffrey Epstein files, forcing
the Department of Justice to release those. There's a couple
of people who have already been implicated in this case.
(20:44):
One of them has been lately getting into more trouble
now that we know some more information. Larry Summers, former
treasurer secretary under President Bill Clinton, former president at Harvard University,
still teaching, but has said that he is going to
be taking a break from some of the public commitments
(21:04):
that he has had. He will still teach for now.
I think that's actually going to go by the wayside
pretty quickly, but he said I will be stepping back
from public commitments. Is one part of my broader effort
to rebuild trust, repair relationships with the people closest to me.
This guy was all over Jeffrey Epstein, flew on the
plane four times. He also, even though there was litigation
(21:31):
against Jeffrey Epstein, he stayed buddies with this guy. He
was also a top official at Harvard when Jeffrey Epstein
was giving millions of dollars to the school. Elizabeth Warren
has come out with a statement that said, Summers demonstrated
his attraction to serving the wealthy and well connected, but
his willingness to cozy up to a convicted sex offender
(21:52):
demonstrates monumentally bad judgment.
Speaker 2 (21:55):
Now, Jeff.
Speaker 3 (22:01):
Larry Sorry, Larry Summers had this relationship with Jeffrey Epstein
that lasted long after Epstein got convicted in Florida for
sex trafficking, and lasted until at least a few months
before Jeffrey Epstein died or suicided himself or whatever in
(22:22):
August of twenty nineteen. In one email exchange in twenty nineteen,
again this is after we knew that he was a
convicted sex trafficker, Epstein gave Larry Summers dating advice date
dating advice from a convicted sex trafficker. The timing of
(22:43):
all of it is notable because it was just a
few months before he was federally charged. It was July
of twenty nineteen that he was federally charged, and then,
of course August of nineteen that he killed himself. It
also happened months after the Miami Harold published an in
depth report about Jeffrey Epstein and called him a serial
(23:05):
sex abuser and pushed him back into the national spotlight.
Speaker 2 (23:09):
Now this guy.
Speaker 3 (23:11):
They talked about dating, they talked about women, they talked
about whether or not Jeffrey Epstein was going to be
visiting mar A Lago, all of these things. And again,
the biggest issue is that it happened after he had
already been convicted of sex trafficking and while he was
under investigation by the FEDS for the sex charges that
(23:31):
were eventually filed against him. Awful, gross, disgusting. Here's another
guy that is caught up in all of this, although
his excuse is quite interesting. Michael Wolfe author Michael Wolfe
was putting together a profile. It's about a nine thousand
word profile.
Speaker 2 (23:49):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (23:50):
Ten to eleven printed out pages is what I have here.
It was an incomplete in that it just wasn't edited
and finished, but it is part of the House Oversight
Committee emails that were released. They released twenty thousand emails,
and in this profile, Michael wolf paints a very rosy
(24:10):
picture of Jeffrey Epstein. By twenty fourteen, Michael wolf was
spending hours at Jeffrey Epstein's mansion watching a parade of
guys troop through. He asked Jeffrey Epstein to persuade some
of those friends, particularly Bill Gates he found most interesting
to try to talk to him, and Michael wolf would
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send over a draft to Jeffrey Epstein a sense of
what might come out of the reporting process, like basically, hey,
here's a big pr piece I could write for you
if you give me access to these people.
Speaker 2 (24:44):
Now.
Speaker 3 (24:45):
Bensmith, writing for semaphore dot com, talked about the absolute
journalistic flushing of integrity that Michael Wolfe had to go
through in order to get this kind of access, and
the twenty fourteen profile again that's when this was written.
Basically ends with the description of the house itself, the
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people in and out, the kind of people that are there,
and he basically ends with I hope I get invited
back to Jeffrey's house soon. So he kissed up to
Jeffrey Epstein for a very long time in the hopes
of getting information. And one of the things he just
said recently to the writer again for Semaphore or Ben Smith,
(25:31):
was how do you get inside with these people? He's
basically arguing that what he was going to do was
write a takedown piece of Jeffrey Epstein, but to get
all of the information. He had to pretend like he
was going to write a good profile. How do you
get inside with these people? There's not a lot of mystery.
You suck up and then you spit out. According to
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Michael Wolf, the guy was willing to get as dirty
as possible just to get this profile. Ont Jeffrey Epstein,
all right, up next, look at our reign. Of course
it's coming back. There's a new story also about the
world of political operatives up in Sacramento. Specifically, this is
a follow to the Daniel Williamson story. She was the
(26:14):
former chief of staff for Governor Newsom who was accused
of stealing money out of Javier Bsera's accounts. We'll talk
about that, and of course, should companies expect employees to
be reachable after hours? That's coming up next on Gary
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