July 22, 2025 • 28 mins
Searches were conducted on boats in Marina del Rey as part of the investigation into the explosion that resulted in the deaths of three Los Angeles County sheriff's deputies. Governor Newsom is expected to make his final decision regarding the parole of the Menendez brothers by Labor Day. Explore the luxurious dog wellness industry in Los Angeles.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
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more than seven hundred drones, which was a record. Some
experts say that they could be soon firing or launching
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a thousand drones a night. The US ultimatum for Russia
to reach a ceasefire by September two is the timeframe
that Moscow is likely to use to ramp this up
before things cool down at all. We were talking about
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sobriety and struggles with drug addictions.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
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Today.
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It's a good attitude.
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always got to ruin the vibe of everything, and next
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Speaker 4 (01:42):
Interesting.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
I don't think there's a hierarchy. It is sad to
hear that.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It is sad to hear him rationalizing using crack cocaine.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
I'll just say that, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
The device that exploded last week at the La County
Sheriff's Department facility that killed three detectives was a grenade.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
We found that out yesterday. That was confirmed.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Agents and detectives had gone to an apartment complex in
Santa Monica there on Bay Street in connection with this,
because the grenades were allegedly left by a previous tenant
of the complex. The bomb squad had X rayed the grenades,
which were believed to have been inert. Detectives moved them
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to the facility had reportedly cut one in half for
training purposes and it exploded.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So ATF it's ATF E Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
National Response Team is now in charge of this investigation.
The Sheriff's Department did execute a search warrant yesterday also
in Marina at Delray in connection with this case that
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is on top of the one in Santa Monica. And
at this point, the provenance, I suppose is the right word,
the provenance of this specific grenade and these grenades may
never be found out for sure. I mean, if we
know that the previous tenant in Santa Monica was one
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who had these grenades, is he gone?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Is he alive? Why did he leave?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Was this something nefarious? Did he have? I knew supposedly
he had a military background, But was he supposed to
have these things in the first place if he thought
they were inert? I mean, there's a lot of stuff
that still has to be figured out about this.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Well, and one of those leads has led them to
Marina del Rey. There was an apartment or what have you,
or a boat surged right off of Marquess's way there
in Marina del Rey. One of the people who lives
there that spoke to the media, Rachel McCords, as I thought.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I saw about fifty cars.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Cops come out a bolt with bulletproof looking vests on,
continuing to come down, hovering over the marina right by
the water. They said that one of the leads has
brought them to this location. If that's where the guy
lives now on a boat in the marina, that may
be why that they ended up there.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
We've mentioned, of course, the detectives who were killed in
this just horrific event from Friday, Joshua Kelly Ecklund, Victor
Limas and William Osborne, all members of the Special Enforcement
Bureaus Arson Explosives Detail collectives seventy four years of service
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between them. Also just an astounding number that the three
men leave behind sixteen children. Two of them were also
married to detectives within the Sheriff's department.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
A couple really strong law enforcement families.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So the Association for Elick Deputy Sheriffs the Union is
collecting online donations through the A Lads Cares Foundation to
support the families. There are other ways that people can
help out. There's another law enforcement officers selling T shirts
raising money for all three families at this point, other
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than sort of the makeshift memorial for the detectives outside
the training facility, we don't know exactly how each of
the memorial services would be handled. That's obviously up to
the families. Will they do expect to announce those within
the next couple of days.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
The LA Times talked to Barry Black, a former FBI
bomb technician, said that working with improvised explosive devices is
inherently dangerous and that bomb technicians are trained to understand
that even the best resolution can still result in what
they call a high ordered detonation. Barry Black was one
of the guys who responded to the Oklahoma City bombing
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in nineteen ninety five. He said that investigator is going
to treat this like other post black scenes and try
to build a timeline of what happened before and during
the explosion. There may have been a witness who was
near enough or talked to one of these guys beforehand
that could let them in on what the thought process was.
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He says, the big question is what happened at the
moment of detonation. They're they're going to examine the footprint
of the detonation and the fragmentation pattern to help answer
that question, and Sheriff Luna said at the original press conference,
you know, we you all have questions. Pete Demetrio asked
the first question, was this a military grade explosive? And
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he was right on, yes, it was military grade hand grenades.
Infuses is what they were dealing with. But as Sheriff
Luna said at the time, we're getting questions and calls
from expert bomb technicians around the country about how this
could have happened. This wasn't a whoops, just made a
mistake kind of situation. As we said, these are the
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guys that are the most trained, the best to the best,
so there's a lot of questions about how something like
this could happen. It wasn't just guys being silly or
being lackadaisical with the protocol.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Something was very.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Wrong here in terms of that protocol and what they
saw to make them believe that it was an ERT
when it actually was not.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
When I heard about this on Friday, the first image
that came to my mind was when the LAPD bomb
squad was dealing with an explosive and had weighed incorrectly.
You know, and that was a simple mistake. But this
may have been a different scenario, but that's what I
thought it, all right. The latest on the Menendez brothers,
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the story that keeps on giving. Gavin Newsom says that
he is probably going to make a decision on parole
for the Menendez brothers before Labor Day. I'm not sure
what he's got to spend all that time doing.
Speaker 7 (07:55):
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Speaker 1 (09:14):
Governor Gavin Newsom will get to make a final decision
on whether or not the Menendez brothers are suitable for parole.
How to play this hand. There is a parole hearing
August twenty first and twenty second, and the governor has
discussed the case with Ryan Murphy, who is credited basically
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with the whole idea of letting them out. I mean,
it really does go back to the Netflix show, which
is a drama, a drama, ede as they say, maybe
not a comedy, a drama, not a documentary, dramatization, but
a dramatization, thank you, because that is exactly what it is.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
It's called monsters right.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Anyway, It was Gavin podcast This is Gavin Newsome when
he spoke about this, and he said, well, Newsom's being
asked to commute these life without parole sentences for the brothers.
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The initial clemency hearing will now happen alongside the paroles
suitability hearing.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
In August.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, Murphy told Newsome that he was going to make
a show about the Menendez brothers before it came out,
and said the conversations on social media made him aware
that there were a bunch of people who were still
very interested in the case of the Menendez brothers. And
Gavin Newsom said, part of the podcast, you start talking
to me about this, and you all but said I'm sorry,
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And I didn't fully appreciate how right you were to
be sorry.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Because to what I was saying, this really opened up
the conversation the Netflix show because there were a lot
of people that were living their lives without knowing the
whole story of the Menendez brothers saw the show and
thought that they knew everything, thought that they knew that
these were two guys who were molested by both their
parents and suffered years of abuse and finally couldn't take
it anymore and shot them. Well, there was a lot
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of playing with the truth that happened in that dramatization
of the story, and a lot of the playing with
the truth was making it sound like the abuse actually happened.
The evidence from the late eighties early nineties when the
trial played out in real life that did not ever materialize.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
That was brought up as.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Maybe a defensive tool, but the judges said, no, there's
not enough proof that this happened for you to introduce
it at trial in at least one of the trials.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Ryan Murphy, first of all, I don't know. I didn't
realize Ryan Murphy had the ear of the governor, but
apparently they have some sort of a relationship. At a
lunch that they had together, Murphy had told the governor
that he was against the release of the brothers, but
had changed his mind. He said, I was astonished at
how I went into something. I went into the project
of making the dramatization with such a predetermined point of view,
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but came out of it at the end of it
thinking something different. So that he was moved by the
unification of the rest of the Menendez family, as well
as the behavior of the brothers in the thirty plus
years that they have spent.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And I think there's an argument for people doing enough time.
I think there's an argument for people who are sentenced
to life in prison when they are and I'm not
remembering how old they were at the time, but I
believe early twenties something like that. There's a conversation to
be had. You murder your parents in your early twenties
because you're greedy, you're money hungry. You want to continue
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to use your parents' money and they were going to
cut you off, and that does not suit you. In
your early twenties, you want the cars and the girls
and the clothes and all of it. And then you
serve thirty years and you grow up and you have
done a lot of great stuff in prison. There's a
conversation there that you should be given another shot at freedom.
You were young when it happened. Yes, you did this
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and it was awful, and let's have that conversation. But
that's not the conversation we're having, is it. The conversation
we're having is that these two were abused by both
of their parents. Like I don't like crapping on the
graves of the murdered, and it seems like Ryan Murphy
one hundred and ten percent did that with his drama
or his dramatization, and that people are going along with it.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
That's not what happened. If you want to.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Take ownership and say, yeah, we killed our parents because
we were spoiled brats, then let's have the conversation of
did you do enough time and have you changed, but
not the hang our hats on our parents sexually abused us,
and let's go on a redemption tour and talk about
other victims of abuse.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I I don't know where the governor comes down on this.
What we have seen in the past is a lot
of a lot of the events, the activities, the appearances,
and everything that Gavin Newsom has done lately has had
to do with his political gain.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
The governor will come down on this exactly right where
you landed on your thought. Where is the political game?
And for him, the political gain is letting them out
or supporting the people that want these guys to get
out now in their fifties.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Or what have you.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Because it's only playing in California. Nobody in Pennsylvania gives
a crap about the Menendez brothers. Well, definitely not the
same way. I mean, they may have seen this Ryan
Murphy show. They may have watched that and have some
awareness of it. But if you're in California, that's not
what the moderates in Pennsylvania care about. They care about
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the moderate democratic causes in Pennsylvania, which are very different
from California. You want to make the California Democrats happy,
let these two clowns out, and that's what he'll do.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Gary and Shannon will continue. Your dog?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
How important is your dog to you? I saw a
headline I'm trying. I'm trying to track down this article
about thinking about your dog or your pet doesn't have
to be dog. Oh, the dogs are better while you're
on vacation.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Oh, I want to hear if you did that.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
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Speaker 2 (15:29):
I have to figure out are you going to take
your pet with you? There is this small percentage of
people who do that. Are you going to find somebody
to come watch your pet at your place? Are you
going to have them boarded somewhere else, at some other place?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I have a question as not being a pet owner
or a pet parent. Right, how much does it run
to have your pet at a facility? I know there's
probably a range.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I would depending on how long.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I would say fifty bucks a day.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Fifty It's something that I would be comfortable, okay, depending
on and what it is.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Feel comfortable and part of its peace of mind that
you're paying for peace of mind.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Some people don't want a big boarding facility with a
lot of dogs. They want somebody who's only got a
couple of other animals, or even just somebody who if
you're going to have another family watch your dog for
a couple of days or whatever while you're.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Out of town.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
How much you you know, I don't know. Fifty bucks
seems like about right.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
I have a question.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I have a friend who has two dogs and has
a house sitter come over when she's gone, and pays
the house sitter one hundred bucks.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But you yeah, okay, I know people who have done
that too. But you don't pay your friends, do you?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
But if it's a friend's kid, for example, we've had
friends kids come over and watch for a weekend or
something like that, I'll pay them.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Problem because if you want the next time you leave,
all come live in your house, take care of your dog,
and you can pay me.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Okay, that's something I would offer.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I do have to take him on walks, though, right
like that, and I can keep track of whether you
walk the dog.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But yeah, the other thing that you keep track of
is kind of everything, Like I feel like you've got
cameras in your home.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
No, I don't have cameras inside the home. I feel
like that's a lie.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
That is there was recently an article about dog wellness,
and this kind of blows me away a little bit,
and I listen, I have I grew up loving dogs.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I am a fan of dogs.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I think they are incredible creatures and they can be
fun partners and they can be funny, and putting one
down is the darkest moments of your light. Like there's
dogs are just gifts to us. And I love the
idea of treating my dog well. But in a way
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that my dog wants.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
To be treated. Does that make sense? I know, Okay,
I want.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
To give my dog what my dog needs to have
the best dog life in the context of my household.
So part of that is I'm going to figure out
what my dog needs just be based on his or
her size, level of fitness, breed. Different breeds need different things.
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Some of them love to play games, some of them
like to sit around and look stupid. Some of them,
like labradors, are giant shells of fluffiness with no brains.
Others are really really smart and need to be challenged
in that way. Some of them are working dogs and
you got to get them out there and have them
do stuff.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Are there breeds that are more.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Motivated by acupuncture, hydrotherapy and chiropractic care.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
No, Although although there are dogs, I suppose that probably
have love languages like humans. Right, so physical touch maybe
one of the love languages for your dog. So hydro
therapy or acupuncture may make them feel better, but it
is not what they need.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
There is an entire dog wellness industry, and where is
ground zero?
Speaker 6 (19:33):
You guessed at Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Among the services are acupuncture, a hydro therapy, chiropractic care. Now,
one of the therapies that I got to push back
on a little bit is massage therapy because aren't you
constantly giving your dog massage therapy?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Excellent point, Petting your dog is what they need now
Is your dog a working dog, Is it a running dog?
Is it an agility trials dog? What there are I
suppose the potential for there to be positive physical responses
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to you massaging your dog.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
What about those dog those working dogs? Are they also
need of podicures? I'm sorry, poticures? I believe that that
used to just be taking your dog to the vet
to get its nails clipped. Yeah, and now they're calling
it poticures because they can mark it up.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And there's a lot of times when you don't if
you are exercising your dog walking it, for example, on
a regular basis, you don't need to trim their nails
if you have, if you're lazy, and there are some
instances where they they don't get the exercise that's needed
to keep those nails worn down. Yeah, just a maintenance
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is necessary.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Another one of the services in the dog wellness industry
is forest bathing, to which I say, in line with
my massage school of thought, take your dog for a
walk in nature that is forest bathing.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
No, that's but that's my point.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Is there the reason or there are reasons why dogs
like some of this stuff that is offered to them
by these people with way too much money to blow.
And it's because it is rooted in some of the
things that they would want in the wild, you know,
their ancestors. Like you said, you pet your dog, which
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amounts to a sort of a light massage all the time.
And that's what dogs do to each other, if you
I mean, I can't imagine the dog, you know, with
its opposable thumbs rubbing the shoulders of its litter mate.
But they lick each other and they tug, you know,
and they play and they do all those sorts of things.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
The licking, the tugging.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yes, Now there is one part of the wellness industry that.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Into a Robert Kraft story.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I do think I've got many follow up questions on
and it is the pet psychic niche when we come back,
we'll get into the benefits of the pet psychic. I mean,
I believe there are probably people that don't believe in
going to a psychic for themselves, but do believe in
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going to a psychic for their dogs. I'm one hundred
percent sure I'm right about that.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I probably agree with you. Unfortunately, we will dive into
this world.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
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Speaker 2 (22:40):
Connections between animals and owners pets and their owners, and
they they were looking specifically at whether the brain waves
between pets and their owners synchronize when they interact. They
they've seen this before when two human beings engage with
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each other, but they wanted to say that the researchers
behind the work said that this synchronization would suggest that
the person and the pet are paying attention to the
same things. And we've seen before the studies. You know,
you look into your pet's eyes and you get a
boost of oxytocin and all that sort of stuff, and
you relax, and that's why they stare at you, at
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least the good ones do for a long time. And
there's a very funny thing. They said that owners modulate
their language in a similar way as parents modulate when
they speak to children. Right, this may surprise you. I
tried not to do that too much with my kids.
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I tried to just talk to them and not go
and I try not to do that to my dog.
But they still said there's a lot of similarities. It
could be one of the reasons why we get so
attached to dogs and other pets. But dogs, because we
already have these cognitive functions and capacities. It's built in
us to attach to something that needs help, or attached
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to something that is smaller or weaker, or something like that,
and that that a pet is clearly smaller and weaker,
and you have an ingrained need to change your behavior
to help that thing, if it's a baby or a
dog or whatever. So the one of the sidelights of
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that study was that when you are on a trip,
a lot of times you will think about your pets.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Did you think about Peter how often? How many times
a day?
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Maybe at night, maybe once at night, like get ready
for because he does this, we do this thing now
where he'll go out one last time.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
That means he goes potty.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
He'll go out one last time before we go upstairs,
and he'll usually jump up and lay on the foot
of the bed and we'll read or whatever, and then
he'll I'll put him in his crate for nighttime.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Where's the crate? Is it in the room?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
No, it's outside.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I mean it's not outside. It's in the hallway underneath
the table.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
So when the banging starts, he goes in the crate.
He knows it's time to get Yeah, go on a
certain you have a certain word, or you just say
get pineapple, pineapple, And he's like, and the clothes are
gonna come off. I gotta get out of here. Pet psychics,
pet psychics. Oscar just came in, and I think we
got to tell the story because I think it's it's
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what's happening in the world. Dog wellness in Los Angeles
now comes with not just hotels for dogs, but accupuncture, acupuncture,
sound baths, forrest bathing, red light therapy, all the things
that they can lure rich peace people to spend their
money on. They're going to do. And you know what
good job. That's America, that's capitalism. Oscar and Kat, their
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dog went missing one time. Oscar told us that his
wife did hire a pet psychic just because she was desperate.
They didn't know where the dog was. It had been
a couple days and desperate measures, right, and so she
called this pet psychic and the pet psychic told her,
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your dog is on the side of a house and
his life force is slipping away. So Kat did what
every other wife and dog mom would do, sent Oscar
with a flashlight looking at all the yards.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Right, they got a dog, and.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So he did, and he found the dog on the
side of a guy's house.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Now, the life force was not leaving the dog.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Is that a ploy that the psychics used to get
you to come back to the psychic? How much life
force are we at? How much battery level do we
have left? Is he at fifty eight percent? Okay?
Speaker 6 (27:02):
When is he at twenty three percent?
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Well?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I also have questions about how, without having met the dog,
how does it How does a pet psychic tune into
that channel?
Speaker 6 (27:12):
Well, we don't know what the pet psychic asked Kat
about the dog. There could be a series of questions
that lead the psychic to understand where the dog is.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, like the dog's county license number, things like that.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
No, I don't think that's part of it. No, no, color,
I have no idea. I'm so this will shock you.
I am not a pet.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Psychic, name name map.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Would you hire a pet psychic to get into the
brain of Peter?
Speaker 4 (27:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Don't you want to know what Peter's thinking? No, there's
a lot of money to be made from people who
can tell you your dog's thoughts. No, what do you
think your dog is thinking?
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Right now? Ah, that's nice. I want to be your dog.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Napping app Little mid morning Napping Nap Times treats.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
What kind of treats does he get into?
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Little meat treats, Little milk bone, tree, milk.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Bone, yum yah treats. Chomp, chomp, smamp plot. Will we
come back?
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A new way to engage in war and drones over
Russia and Ukraine have been by the thousands a huge
aspect of that war. Long range Russian drones come and
swarms every night. In fact, on July eighth, Russia unleashed
more than seven hundred drones, which was a record. Some
experts say that they could be soon firing or launching
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a thousand drones a night. The US ultimatum for Russia
to reach a ceasefire by September two is the timeframe
that Moscow is likely to use to ramp this up
before things cool down at all. We were talking about
Hunter Biden and this long interview that he did talking
about touching on many many different topics, including his own
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sobriety and struggles with drug addictions.
Speaker 3 (00:56):
As a recovering alcoholic. I don't care how long you've
been sober, whether it be one hour, ten days, ten years.
Sobriety depends on the day.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Today.
Speaker 3 (01:09):
Today is the important day that I stay sober.
Speaker 4 (01:11):
It's a good attitude.
Speaker 5 (01:13):
Dad, Yeah, Shannon, I'm definitely on your side. I want
to hear the idiocracy of how an expert drug user
uses his drugs. I've been sober, sober seven years. I
can tell you right now. I never bragged about, you know,
my expertise. But this is why an a bigger sugar
connoisseur and other guys like me hit the crackheads. They
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always got to ruin the vibe of everything, and next
you know, all your personal belongings go missing.
Speaker 4 (01:42):
Interesting.
Speaker 6 (01:43):
I don't think there's a hierarchy. It is sad to
hear that.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
It is sad to hear him rationalizing using crack cocaine.
Speaker 6 (01:54):
I'll just say that, all right.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
The device that exploded last week at the La County
Sheriff's Department facility that killed three detectives was a grenade.
Speaker 6 (02:04):
We found that out yesterday. That was confirmed.
Speaker 1 (02:08):
Agents and detectives had gone to an apartment complex in
Santa Monica there on Bay Street in connection with this,
because the grenades were allegedly left by a previous tenant
of the complex. The bomb squad had X rayed the grenades,
which were believed to have been inert. Detectives moved them
(02:28):
to the facility had reportedly cut one in half for
training purposes and it exploded.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
So ATF it's ATF E Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives
National Response Team is now in charge of this investigation.
The Sheriff's Department did execute a search warrant yesterday also
in Marina at Delray in connection with this case that
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is on top of the one in Santa Monica. And
at this point, the provenance, I suppose is the right word,
the provenance of this specific grenade and these grenades may
never be found out for sure. I mean, if we
know that the previous tenant in Santa Monica was one
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who had these grenades, is he gone?
Speaker 4 (03:22):
Is he alive? Why did he leave?
Speaker 2 (03:24):
Was this something nefarious? Did he have? I knew supposedly
he had a military background, But was he supposed to
have these things in the first place if he thought
they were inert? I mean, there's a lot of stuff
that still has to be figured out about this.
Speaker 1 (03:39):
Well, and one of those leads has led them to
Marina del Rey. There was an apartment or what have you,
or a boat surged right off of Marquess's way there
in Marina del Rey. One of the people who lives
there that spoke to the media, Rachel McCords, as I thought.
Speaker 6 (03:58):
I saw about fifty cars.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Cops come out a bolt with bulletproof looking vests on,
continuing to come down, hovering over the marina right by
the water. They said that one of the leads has
brought them to this location. If that's where the guy
lives now on a boat in the marina, that may
be why that they ended up there.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
We've mentioned, of course, the detectives who were killed in
this just horrific event from Friday, Joshua Kelly Ecklund, Victor
Limas and William Osborne, all members of the Special Enforcement
Bureaus Arson Explosives Detail collectives seventy four years of service
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between them. Also just an astounding number that the three
men leave behind sixteen children. Two of them were also
married to detectives within the Sheriff's department.
Speaker 6 (04:51):
A couple really strong law enforcement families.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So the Association for Elick Deputy Sheriffs the Union is
collecting online donations through the A Lads Cares Foundation to
support the families. There are other ways that people can
help out. There's another law enforcement officers selling T shirts
raising money for all three families at this point, other
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than sort of the makeshift memorial for the detectives outside
the training facility, we don't know exactly how each of
the memorial services would be handled. That's obviously up to
the families. Will they do expect to announce those within
the next couple of days.
Speaker 1 (05:33):
The LA Times talked to Barry Black, a former FBI
bomb technician, said that working with improvised explosive devices is
inherently dangerous and that bomb technicians are trained to understand
that even the best resolution can still result in what
they call a high ordered detonation. Barry Black was one
of the guys who responded to the Oklahoma City bombing
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in nineteen ninety five. He said that investigator is going
to treat this like other post black scenes and try
to build a timeline of what happened before and during
the explosion. There may have been a witness who was
near enough or talked to one of these guys beforehand
that could let them in on what the thought process was.
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He says, the big question is what happened at the
moment of detonation. They're they're going to examine the footprint
of the detonation and the fragmentation pattern to help answer
that question, and Sheriff Luna said at the original press conference,
you know, we you all have questions. Pete Demetrio asked
the first question, was this a military grade explosive? And
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he was right on, yes, it was military grade hand grenades.
Infuses is what they were dealing with. But as Sheriff
Luna said at the time, we're getting questions and calls
from expert bomb technicians around the country about how this
could have happened. This wasn't a whoops, just made a
mistake kind of situation. As we said, these are the
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guys that are the most trained, the best to the best,
so there's a lot of questions about how something like
this could happen. It wasn't just guys being silly or
being lackadaisical with the protocol.
Speaker 6 (07:08):
Something was very.
Speaker 1 (07:10):
Wrong here in terms of that protocol and what they
saw to make them believe that it was an ERT
when it actually was not.
Speaker 2 (07:18):
When I heard about this on Friday, the first image
that came to my mind was when the LAPD bomb
squad was dealing with an explosive and had weighed incorrectly.
You know, and that was a simple mistake. But this
may have been a different scenario, but that's what I
thought it, all right. The latest on the Menendez brothers,
(07:42):
the story that keeps on giving. Gavin Newsom says that
he is probably going to make a decision on parole
for the Menendez brothers before Labor Day. I'm not sure
what he's got to spend all that time doing.
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Speaker 1 (09:14):
Governor Gavin Newsom will get to make a final decision
on whether or not the Menendez brothers are suitable for parole.
How to play this hand. There is a parole hearing
August twenty first and twenty second, and the governor has
discussed the case with Ryan Murphy, who is credited basically
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with the whole idea of letting them out. I mean,
it really does go back to the Netflix show, which
is a drama, a drama, ede as they say, maybe
not a comedy, a drama, not a documentary, dramatization, but
a dramatization, thank you, because that is exactly what it is.
Speaker 6 (09:56):
It's called monsters right.
Speaker 1 (09:57):
Anyway, It was Gavin podcast This is Gavin Newsome when
he spoke about this, and he said, well, Newsom's being
asked to commute these life without parole sentences for the brothers.
(10:19):
The initial clemency hearing will now happen alongside the paroles
suitability hearing.
Speaker 6 (10:24):
In August.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Yeah, Murphy told Newsome that he was going to make
a show about the Menendez brothers before it came out,
and said the conversations on social media made him aware
that there were a bunch of people who were still
very interested in the case of the Menendez brothers. And
Gavin Newsom said, part of the podcast, you start talking
to me about this, and you all but said I'm sorry,
(10:49):
And I didn't fully appreciate how right you were to
be sorry.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Because to what I was saying, this really opened up
the conversation the Netflix show because there were a lot
of people that were living their lives without knowing the
whole story of the Menendez brothers saw the show and
thought that they knew everything, thought that they knew that
these were two guys who were molested by both their
parents and suffered years of abuse and finally couldn't take
it anymore and shot them. Well, there was a lot
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of playing with the truth that happened in that dramatization
of the story, and a lot of the playing with
the truth was making it sound like the abuse actually happened.
The evidence from the late eighties early nineties when the
trial played out in real life that did not ever materialize.
Speaker 6 (11:35):
That was brought up as.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
Maybe a defensive tool, but the judges said, no, there's
not enough proof that this happened for you to introduce
it at trial in at least one of the trials.
Speaker 2 (11:49):
Ryan Murphy, first of all, I don't know. I didn't
realize Ryan Murphy had the ear of the governor, but
apparently they have some sort of a relationship. At a
lunch that they had together, Murphy had told the governor
that he was against the release of the brothers, but
had changed his mind. He said, I was astonished at
how I went into something. I went into the project
of making the dramatization with such a predetermined point of view,
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but came out of it at the end of it
thinking something different. So that he was moved by the
unification of the rest of the Menendez family, as well
as the behavior of the brothers in the thirty plus
years that they have spent.
Speaker 1 (12:28):
And I think there's an argument for people doing enough time.
I think there's an argument for people who are sentenced
to life in prison when they are and I'm not
remembering how old they were at the time, but I
believe early twenties something like that. There's a conversation to
be had. You murder your parents in your early twenties
because you're greedy, you're money hungry. You want to continue
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to use your parents' money and they were going to
cut you off, and that does not suit you. In
your early twenties, you want the cars and the girls
and the clothes and all of it. And then you
serve thirty years and you grow up and you have
done a lot of great stuff in prison. There's a
conversation there that you should be given another shot at freedom.
You were young when it happened. Yes, you did this
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and it was awful, and let's have that conversation. But
that's not the conversation we're having, is it. The conversation
we're having is that these two were abused by both
of their parents. Like I don't like crapping on the
graves of the murdered, and it seems like Ryan Murphy
one hundred and ten percent did that with his drama
or his dramatization, and that people are going along with it.
Speaker 6 (13:37):
That's not what happened. If you want to.
Speaker 1 (13:40):
Take ownership and say, yeah, we killed our parents because
we were spoiled brats, then let's have the conversation of
did you do enough time and have you changed, but
not the hang our hats on our parents sexually abused us,
and let's go on a redemption tour and talk about
other victims of abuse.
Speaker 2 (13:57):
I I don't know where the governor comes down on this.
What we have seen in the past is a lot
of a lot of the events, the activities, the appearances,
and everything that Gavin Newsom has done lately has had
to do with his political gain.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
The governor will come down on this exactly right where
you landed on your thought. Where is the political game?
And for him, the political gain is letting them out
or supporting the people that want these guys to get
out now in their fifties.
Speaker 6 (14:31):
Or what have you.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Because it's only playing in California. Nobody in Pennsylvania gives
a crap about the Menendez brothers. Well, definitely not the
same way. I mean, they may have seen this Ryan
Murphy show. They may have watched that and have some
awareness of it. But if you're in California, that's not
what the moderates in Pennsylvania care about. They care about
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the moderate democratic causes in Pennsylvania, which are very different
from California. You want to make the California Democrats happy,
let these two clowns out, and that's what he'll do.
Speaker 4 (15:04):
Gary and Shannon will continue. Your dog?
Speaker 2 (15:08):
How important is your dog to you? I saw a
headline I'm trying. I'm trying to track down this article
about thinking about your dog or your pet doesn't have
to be dog. Oh, the dogs are better while you're
on vacation.
Speaker 6 (15:22):
Oh, I want to hear if you did that.
Speaker 7 (15:24):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 2 (15:29):
I have to figure out are you going to take
your pet with you? There is this small percentage of
people who do that. Are you going to find somebody
to come watch your pet at your place? Are you
going to have them boarded somewhere else, at some other place?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I have a question as not being a pet owner
or a pet parent. Right, how much does it run
to have your pet at a facility? I know there's
probably a range.
Speaker 2 (15:57):
Yeah, I would depending on how long.
Speaker 4 (16:02):
I would say fifty bucks a day.
Speaker 2 (16:05):
Fifty It's something that I would be comfortable, okay, depending
on and what it is.
Speaker 1 (16:10):
Feel comfortable and part of its peace of mind that
you're paying for peace of mind.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
Some people don't want a big boarding facility with a
lot of dogs. They want somebody who's only got a
couple of other animals, or even just somebody who if
you're going to have another family watch your dog for
a couple of days or whatever while you're.
Speaker 4 (16:30):
Out of town.
Speaker 2 (16:30):
How much you you know, I don't know. Fifty bucks
seems like about right.
Speaker 6 (16:34):
I have a question.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I have a friend who has two dogs and has
a house sitter come over when she's gone, and pays
the house sitter one hundred bucks.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
But you yeah, okay, I know people who have done
that too. But you don't pay your friends, do you?
Speaker 4 (16:50):
No?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
But if it's a friend's kid, for example, we've had
friends kids come over and watch for a weekend or
something like that, I'll pay them.
Speaker 4 (17:00):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (17:00):
Problem because if you want the next time you leave,
all come live in your house, take care of your dog,
and you can pay me.
Speaker 6 (17:05):
Okay, that's something I would offer.
Speaker 2 (17:08):
I do have to take him on walks, though, right
like that, and I can keep track of whether you
walk the dog.
Speaker 1 (17:15):
But yeah, the other thing that you keep track of
is kind of everything, Like I feel like you've got
cameras in your home.
Speaker 4 (17:21):
No, I don't have cameras inside the home. I feel
like that's a lie.
Speaker 2 (17:28):
That is there was recently an article about dog wellness,
and this kind of blows me away a little bit,
and I listen, I have I grew up loving dogs.
Speaker 4 (17:39):
I am a fan of dogs.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
I think they are incredible creatures and they can be
fun partners and they can be funny, and putting one
down is the darkest moments of your light. Like there's
dogs are just gifts to us. And I love the
idea of treating my dog well. But in a way
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that my dog wants.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
To be treated. Does that make sense? I know, Okay,
I want.
Speaker 2 (18:12):
To give my dog what my dog needs to have
the best dog life in the context of my household.
So part of that is I'm going to figure out
what my dog needs just be based on his or
her size, level of fitness, breed. Different breeds need different things.
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Some of them love to play games, some of them
like to sit around and look stupid. Some of them,
like labradors, are giant shells of fluffiness with no brains.
Others are really really smart and need to be challenged
in that way. Some of them are working dogs and
you got to get them out there and have them
do stuff.
Speaker 6 (18:56):
Are there breeds that are more.
Speaker 1 (19:02):
Motivated by acupuncture, hydrotherapy and chiropractic care.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
No, Although although there are dogs, I suppose that probably
have love languages like humans. Right, so physical touch maybe
one of the love languages for your dog. So hydro
therapy or acupuncture may make them feel better, but it
is not what they need.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
There is an entire dog wellness industry, and where is
ground zero?
Speaker 6 (19:33):
You guessed at Los Angeles.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Among the services are acupuncture, a hydro therapy, chiropractic care. Now,
one of the therapies that I got to push back
on a little bit is massage therapy because aren't you
constantly giving your dog massage therapy?
Speaker 2 (19:51):
Excellent point, Petting your dog is what they need now
Is your dog a working dog, Is it a running dog?
Is it an agility trials dog? What there are I
suppose the potential for there to be positive physical responses
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to you massaging your dog.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
What about those dog those working dogs? Are they also
need of podicures? I'm sorry, poticures? I believe that that
used to just be taking your dog to the vet
to get its nails clipped. Yeah, and now they're calling
it poticures because they can mark it up.
Speaker 2 (20:32):
And there's a lot of times when you don't if
you are exercising your dog walking it, for example, on
a regular basis, you don't need to trim their nails
if you have, if you're lazy, and there are some
instances where they they don't get the exercise that's needed
to keep those nails worn down. Yeah, just a maintenance
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is necessary.
Speaker 1 (20:54):
Another one of the services in the dog wellness industry
is forest bathing, to which I say, in line with
my massage school of thought, take your dog for a
walk in nature that is forest bathing.
Speaker 4 (21:08):
No, that's but that's my point.
Speaker 2 (21:10):
Is there the reason or there are reasons why dogs
like some of this stuff that is offered to them
by these people with way too much money to blow.
And it's because it is rooted in some of the
things that they would want in the wild, you know,
their ancestors. Like you said, you pet your dog, which
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amounts to a sort of a light massage all the time.
And that's what dogs do to each other, if you
I mean, I can't imagine the dog, you know, with
its opposable thumbs rubbing the shoulders of its litter mate.
But they lick each other and they tug, you know,
and they play and they do all those sorts of things.
Speaker 6 (21:53):
The licking, the tugging.
Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yes, Now there is one part of the wellness industry that.
Speaker 4 (22:00):
Into a Robert Kraft story.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
I do think I've got many follow up questions on
and it is the pet psychic niche when we come back,
we'll get into the benefits of the pet psychic. I mean,
I believe there are probably people that don't believe in
going to a psychic for themselves, but do believe in
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going to a psychic for their dogs. I'm one hundred
percent sure I'm right about that.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
I probably agree with you. Unfortunately, we will dive into
this world.
Speaker 7 (22:35):
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Speaker 2 (22:40):
Connections between animals and owners pets and their owners, and
they they were looking specifically at whether the brain waves
between pets and their owners synchronize when they interact. They
they've seen this before when two human beings engage with
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each other, but they wanted to say that the researchers
behind the work said that this synchronization would suggest that
the person and the pet are paying attention to the
same things. And we've seen before the studies. You know,
you look into your pet's eyes and you get a
boost of oxytocin and all that sort of stuff, and
you relax, and that's why they stare at you, at
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least the good ones do for a long time. And
there's a very funny thing. They said that owners modulate
their language in a similar way as parents modulate when
they speak to children. Right, this may surprise you. I
tried not to do that too much with my kids.
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I tried to just talk to them and not go
and I try not to do that to my dog.
But they still said there's a lot of similarities. It
could be one of the reasons why we get so
attached to dogs and other pets. But dogs, because we
already have these cognitive functions and capacities. It's built in
us to attach to something that needs help, or attached
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to something that is smaller or weaker, or something like that,
and that that a pet is clearly smaller and weaker,
and you have an ingrained need to change your behavior
to help that thing, if it's a baby or a
dog or whatever. So the one of the sidelights of
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that study was that when you are on a trip,
a lot of times you will think about your pets.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
Did you think about Peter how often? How many times
a day?
Speaker 7 (24:46):
Well?
Speaker 2 (24:47):
Maybe at night, maybe once at night, like get ready
for because he does this, we do this thing now
where he'll go out one last time.
Speaker 4 (24:59):
That means he goes potty.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
He'll go out one last time before we go upstairs,
and he'll usually jump up and lay on the foot
of the bed and we'll read or whatever, and then
he'll I'll put him in his crate for nighttime.
Speaker 6 (25:18):
Where's the crate? Is it in the room?
Speaker 4 (25:19):
No, it's outside.
Speaker 2 (25:20):
I mean it's not outside. It's in the hallway underneath
the table.
Speaker 1 (25:24):
So when the banging starts, he goes in the crate.
He knows it's time to get Yeah, go on a
certain you have a certain word, or you just say
get pineapple, pineapple, And he's like, and the clothes are
gonna come off. I gotta get out of here. Pet psychics,
pet psychics. Oscar just came in, and I think we
got to tell the story because I think it's it's
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what's happening in the world. Dog wellness in Los Angeles
now comes with not just hotels for dogs, but accupuncture, acupuncture,
sound baths, forrest bathing, red light therapy, all the things
that they can lure rich peace people to spend their
money on. They're going to do. And you know what
good job. That's America, that's capitalism. Oscar and Kat, their
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dog went missing one time. Oscar told us that his
wife did hire a pet psychic just because she was desperate.
They didn't know where the dog was. It had been
a couple days and desperate measures, right, and so she
called this pet psychic and the pet psychic told her,
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your dog is on the side of a house and
his life force is slipping away. So Kat did what
every other wife and dog mom would do, sent Oscar
with a flashlight looking at all the yards.
Speaker 4 (26:43):
Right, they got a dog, and.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
So he did, and he found the dog on the
side of a guy's house.
Speaker 6 (26:50):
Now, the life force was not leaving the dog.
Speaker 1 (26:54):
Is that a ploy that the psychics used to get
you to come back to the psychic? How much life
force are we at? How much battery level do we
have left? Is he at fifty eight percent? Okay?
Speaker 6 (27:02):
When is he at twenty three percent?
Speaker 5 (27:04):
Well?
Speaker 2 (27:04):
I also have questions about how, without having met the dog,
how does it How does a pet psychic tune into
that channel?
Speaker 6 (27:12):
Well, we don't know what the pet psychic asked Kat
about the dog. There could be a series of questions
that lead the psychic to understand where the dog is.
Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah, like the dog's county license number, things like that.
Speaker 1 (27:25):
No, I don't think that's part of it. No, no, color,
I have no idea. I'm so this will shock you.
I am not a pet.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
Psychic, name name map.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
Would you hire a pet psychic to get into the
brain of Peter?
Speaker 4 (27:39):
No?
Speaker 1 (27:39):
Don't you want to know what Peter's thinking? No, there's
a lot of money to be made from people who
can tell you your dog's thoughts. No, what do you
think your dog is thinking?
Speaker 6 (27:53):
Right now? Ah, that's nice. I want to be your dog.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
Napping app Little mid morning Napping Nap Times treats.
Speaker 6 (28:03):
What kind of treats does he get into?
Speaker 7 (28:06):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (28:06):
Little meat treats, Little milk bone, tree, milk.
Speaker 1 (28:09):
Bone, yum yah treats. Chomp, chomp, smamp plot. Will we
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