June 30, 2025 • 23 mins
Fire crews are battling multiple fires across Riverside and San Bernardino counties. Following the devastating fire in Lahaina, there's an experiment focused on housing the most vulnerable populations. The entire country is beginning to resemble California in terms of wildfires. Additionally, a heroic father jumped into the sea to save his daughter who fell from the Disney Dream cruise ship.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
Of course, we told you about yesterday's story Canfield Mountain,
right near Quardlaine, Idaho, where a fire was apparently deliberately
set to lure first responders to the area and then
some guy started sniping at them. At least two quard
Alane Fire officials were shot and killed. A third is
(00:29):
believed to be in very critical condition, and a few
hours after the shooting happened, hundreds of law enforcement officers
were in that entire area looking for this guy. They
found a body next to a gun, and they believed
that that was the sniper.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
They believe also that he was acting alone.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
They said they did exchange gunfire with this guy, but
they're not certain if he shot and killed himself or
if he was hit by one of the officers. Authorities
said they're no longer concerned. There was a thought that
there might be a second shooter in all of that,
but they said that that is not the case now.
Now they still have to deal with the fire that
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is still burning out of patrol in that area near
Corda Lane. Speaking of fires, several fires burning in San
Bernardino and Riverside Counties. The largest of all of these
right now is the Wolf fire burning near Banning. It's
at about fourteen hundred acres now. This one started just
about three o'clock yesterday afternoon in the area of Old Banning,
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out the wild Road and wolf Skill Truck Trail there.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
In Banning.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
There were a handful of evacuation orders in some areas,
and then evacuation warnings as well because of the chance
for this thing to get out. There's an evacuation center
that's been opened at Hammett High School and an animal
shelter that's opened in Sanja Sinto still under investigation now,
not saying that it's clear that these are arson, but
(01:59):
some of these started in roughly the same area at
the same time. I mean they're spread out significantly, but
arguably some of them could have gotten you could get
from one place to the other in this time. The
second largest fire in Riverside County is the Mindy Fire,
about seventy percent contained, was only about one hundred acres
(02:19):
just about three forty five in Awonga, and then Mandale
Fire and Riverside is at about eighty three acres but
no containment as of yet. This would be right along
the neighborhood Tyler Street Mandala Court there in Riverside. Sam
Bernandino County also saw some significant fires. The Lake Fire
in San Berndandino County four hundred and eighty five acres
(02:41):
just before four o'clock yesterday right along Highway one seventy
three and Cedar Springs Dam Trail.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Up in the mountains.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Smiley fire is at eighty three acres but is fully contained,
they said. And then the Cable Fire nice and small,
that's the way we like them. Right about three thirty
yesterday afternoon, sorry three thirty Saturday, near Martin Ranch Road
and Lane in Cable Canyon.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
We will see more fires.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
We know that the fire season is year round here
and it's it's going to get worse before it gets better.
Northern California could also see some problems the high temperatures
up in the Central Valley. They are going to put
up a red flag warning from Northern for parts of
northern California starting an hour from now that will go
through tomorrow night. Any storms that do form would likely
(03:27):
produce some rain in the core, but lightning is possible
far from those core areas, according to the Weather Service,
and said any fires that develop would likely spread rapidly.
Outdoor burning is not recommended in several places throughout northern California,
and as right now, they've said a ten percent chance
of isolated storms possible through today through tomorrow afternoon up
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in northern California, So most of it is going to
be in the northern Sierra foothills portions of like Shasta
Trinity Lasson Park. That's where most those red flag warnings
are going to be posted. Our fire situation here throughout
La County is not getting any better, and the situations
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if you have not yet seen firsthand the devastation from
the Eton fire in Altadena or the Palisades Fire in
Palisades in Malibu, it is pretty jaw dropping. My wife
and I for the first time since the fires, drove
out to Malibu on Saturday just to get a look
at it. To help out some businesses, grab lunch, do
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a little shopping, that kind of thing, because they are
getting punched in the face. They just have not been
able to make any money. Part of it was because
PCH had been shut down for so long or restricted
to residents only, and they were waiting for tourists to
come back.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Last week.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
We told you, I think it's Dukes that's supposed to
open this week and it looks ready to go, but
they still need help. I'll tell you what I saw
and how we dealt with what it is that we
saw when we come back. By the way, not tourism.
I didn't drive through the neighborhoods. I stayed on pch
keep everybody. But it's amazing how much work is left
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to do. We'll talk about it we come back.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
January seventh was the day the Palisades fire started. That
January seventh was the night the Eton fire started and
blew through Altadena and Pacific Palisades to the tune of
thousands and thousands of homes that were completely destroyed, thousands
more that were damaged, thousands on top of that that
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suffered smoke damage. And the images that we saw from
back in January with just firestorms literally blowing through the
hills and the homes in those areas were hard to believe.
And watching those late into the night January seventh, was
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I mean, it was incredible. It was unbelievable the amount
of damage that was being done with those high winds
combined with the dry conditions and in the Palisades area,
the lack of water pressure.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I mean, we all know what this is, but.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Outside of LA they all thought that it was a
major portion of LA had burned, and we know that
that's not the case, but the amount of devastation still
is kind of hard to fathom unless you see it firsthand.
And for the first time since the fires, Shannon number one,
(06:47):
that's my wife, we went to Malibu and the Palisades
on Saturday because I was hearing these stories over and
over again about businesses that were having a hard time
staying open. It was just a couple of weeks ago
the PCH opened through the Palisades for general public. And yes,
pch's speed limit is down to twenty five miles an hour,
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but there's very good reason for it.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
We came into Malibu from Las Virgenes, so we're coming
in from the north end and driving all the way
down through Malibu towards Palisades, and you can clearly see
when the fire starts, if that's the right term, where
the damage starts, because those homes off to the right
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of you, between PCH and the water, they start disappearing,
and then in greater concentration they're disappearing. And there are
some stretches of that part of PCH where there's just
nothing left but the concrete pylons and in some cases
some of the steel superstructure for some of these homes
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that didn't burn obviously, but that's all got to go.
That you can't reach build on concrete that's withstood those
temperatures because it's compromised, so they're gonna have to pull
all those pilings out.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
All that steel has got to go.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
What amazed me is the few number of homes, I
should say lots, the few number of lots that had
been completely cleaned and scraped down. Army Corps of Engineer
did most of the work that you've seen already. There
have been some private companies that have come in and
done it also, but there are literally still burned out
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cars along the side of PCH. I think we counted
five to the point. They're now covered in graffiti and
they've got weeds growing through them.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't know why that sort of stuff wasn't taken
care of months and months ago. But the businesses in
Malibu Palisades do a lesser degree because many of them
have not reopened yet. But businesses in Malibu are saying
we're dying. People aren't coming back, And granted there are
people who want to go there just for the tourist
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gawking thing about the destruction of multimillion dollar homes. You
don't need to leave pch to see that. You don't
have to go driving through the neighborhoods to see the destruction.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
It's out there.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So wife and I went and had a great lunchtime,
saw some great shops. To be honest, we just went
through the Malibu Country Mart that was it just kind
of walked through there and had a great little sandwich
at that Italian place trod de NOOI I believe how
you say it, I don't know, don't speak Italian. That
and the Surfing Cowboys store that we went through, and
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the little coffee shop that is there.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It's absolutely well worth.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It is a hassle to get to Malibu, I know
if you don't live there, but it is absolutely worth it.
Now the Getty Villa reopened just on Friday, and it's
amazing because the landscaping is dead because basically every portion
of the landscaping infrastructure melted. The building itself is great.
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The building itself is fine, and they would love to
see you back over there. One of the lessons that
we've learned about fires and how to rebuild afterwards comes
to us from Lahina on Maui, where they're trying to
get people back into some of those homes. We'll explain
what they're doing there in Lahina now, almost two years
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after that massive fire.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I told you about what we saw in Maliboune Palisades
over on Saturday. Just the tons and tons of work
that will be left. I mean years that, fifty years
from now, Palisades may not look like it did on
the morning of January seventh, because you're going to have
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people who move out and never go back. You're going
to have people who rebuild and have started to do so.
Very few, but some have. Others who are lucky enough
to have just smoke damage to their house in some
cases haven't been able to go back because of insurance problems,
So how do you fill that whole of temporary housing
while the work continues to be done in Lahina On Maui,
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they are trying something. It's not perfect, but they're trying something.
Ka lai Ola is a development four hundred and fifty homes,
about fifteen hundred people, and this will be the earliest
wave of residents to move into their homes. They did
so several months ago, so just about a year after
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that fire, which was August two years ago. And getting
them into this temporary housing is important because it gives
them a place to live so that they can work,
so that they continue to fund to rebuild or find
a way to rebuild, et cetera. But it's a factory
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built house. Construction way back before the fires was hard
to come by on Maui anyway. To remote location, supplies
are hard to come by. Government agencies have a lot
of restrictions on building, et cetera in Hawaii in general,
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Maui specifically. But they have a fifty seven acre plot
state owned land by the way where they're trying to
put some of the most vulnerable victims of the Maui fire.
Hundreds of prefab homes that they're putting in place to
get them in there now. Like I said, Maoi's the
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housing needs on Maui are different through the different phases
of recovery. They have had two years on us almost
they are past the immediate crisis. Most of the debris
has been cleared from the home sites. People living in
Hote Teil rooms have been able to move out and
find other accommodations. But the rebuilding, the creating of new
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housing takes a whole lot longer. That takes the years,
not the months, and you've got zoning rules that can
be an absolute nightmare to deal with, construction hurdles, insurance claims,
the high cost. We're stuck in the middle of it
here in La and Palisades and Altadina, they're stuck in
that phase of it. Still, that development in Lahina Ka
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lai Ola is designed to break through some of those barriers.
Part of it is you could do it on state
owned land. Elsewhere you try to put a house up
through all of the disaster declarations and all the restrictions
and all the permitting and all the red tape, it's
gonna take years now. Part of the reason that The
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guy who started this got a contract with the state
is because he has a quick turnaround. Forest Dell is
the guy's name, and he started a company several years
ago called Nano Nest. He never thought that the business
was going to be fed by disaster relief. He actually
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thought it was just, hey, let's make small homes, tiny homes,
if you want to use the vernacular. Let's make small homes.
Let's make them prefabs so that they can go anywhere.
They're easy to reproduce, and let's make them cheap sixty
five seventy five thousand dollars. Some people could put them
in their backyard and make it an adu Airbnb or
something like that. But instead they said that, along with
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other manufacturers, this is an attempt to keep fire victims
close to their families and their jobs and their schools.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
What have you.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So in this case, this guy's got a quick turnaround.
A Chinese factory. I know it's China. It's a Chinese
factory that can make hundreds of these five hundred models
in a month. It's going to take them about four
weeks to get it shipped across the Pacific. I mean,
if they're coming here to California. But then you've got
trade wars, you've got some things that are going on terraces,
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et cetera that could cause some problems, and trade policies
we've seen over the last couple of months can kind
of change on a dime. They're also unexpected costs in
Hawaii specific that I was referring to. For example, they
didn't have enough water. The fifty seven acre spot that
they were looking for is state owned, didn't have enough water,
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so they had to buy and build a massive tank
system to the tune of millions of dollars. They also
sit on some pretty hard lava rock and a steep hill,
so sewage systems we're going to be hard to come by,
so they had to blast through the ground to try
to lay down infrastructure that's going to be there for
some time. The thing is they don't want this to
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be a forever housing development, and it shouldn't be. They're
temporary homes. They're not meant to be lived in for decades.
They want Max to be in there may be ten years.
That's very optimistic because the scenes that I saw in
Malibu that people have seen in Altadena are echoed or
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I guess we're presaged by what we saw in Lahina,
devastation that we probably were unable to imagine. And that's
kind of the condition that they're in now. So there
are some solutions. These tiny, little prefab homes may not
make sense in places like the Palisades, but they might
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in Altadena if you could find a spot to get
people to live where they were before, stay in their jobs,
stay in their neighborhoods, stay in their community, stay in
their schools. There's something too, there's something to that all
right now why the whole country is starting to look
like California.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You know what, I'll tell you what. We're gonna move
that one. Later.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I wanted to talk about this dad that dove into
the ocean to save his daughter after she fell off
the cruise ship.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Would you do that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Was none or I mean it's just water. Yeah, but
I mean, look you can swim. Of course, we're parents.
We would definitely do that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Would you jump in for your dog too, though? I would? Yeah, Yeah,
you wouldn't. Well, your dog is so cute.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yes, my dog doesn't have a lot of he won't
have a lot of time for me to get in there.
Like by the time I jumped in. He's got tiny
little leggs.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
He can't swim, I know, but so you would just
kind of watch him.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Probably not, You're right, I'd probably go on.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
You would never forgive yourself. Let's just say he still
didn't survive.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
You tried, that's true, and that would still be a
good story.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yes, that's what I'm here.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
That's what I'm here for.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Do I get a good story out of it?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
All right, we'll come back talk about this dad that
jumped into the ocean to save his daughter.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
We were talking earlier about, uh, the fire conditions in
Lehina rebuilding of course after the fire, and MAUI from
a couple of years ago seeing fire rebuilding in Altadena
and Malibu. Definitely not anywhere near as much as you
probably think, but there are some some signs of life
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in those places.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Hi, Gary wanted to comment on your Malibu fire story.
I also was a Chico grad and worked in Paradise
at a radio station up there in college. And I
went back to Paradise a few years ago, and you know,
it's been years since that fire, and it's still taking
so long for them to recoup. So I really hope
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and pray Malibu can get it together and learn from
Lahaina and just get back on track and we can
all support them have a good day.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
My brother in law is works real estate up in
that area of the state and has said as much
that it is just hard to get hard to get
anything going, and that those neighborhoods are nowhere near being rebuilt.
I mean single digit percentes basically of homes that have
have rebuilt up there. If you have not seen this yet,
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a dad jumped off of the Disney Dream cruise ship
when his daughter fell overboard, and managing to get a
hold of her and tread water before they were both rescued.
Pretty amazing because the coverage of it is pretty breathless. Obviously,
people in Miami see cruise ships all the time, much
more so than we do here in southern California, although
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we see plenty of them, but that this reporter for
CBS News in Miami said a couple of people were
able to throw life jackets to this guy and the
daughter while they were in because you can't just stop.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
A cruise ship that's not the way it works.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But they tried to get them life jackets while they
were swimming out there in the ocean. They were by
the way between Miami and Bermuda. That's where they were headed.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
One witness told me that the dad was not able
to reach one of those life best because he was
too busy worry about holding on to his daughter. One
witness told me that they were in the water for
twenty minutes, treading water. Think about treading water in a
pool for twenty minutes when it's calm and there are
no ways. This was in the ocean, and it really
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was incredible. Here's what some witnesses said happened.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I saw the mother crying, But when they rescued them,
I think that's when the tears really started flowing, because
you were just so overjoyed knowing and I prayed to
God to save them, and he did.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
The ship was moving quickly, so quickly.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
It's crazy how quickly the people became tiny.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Dots in the scene and you lost sight of them.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
The captain slow the ship turned it around, and then
they deployed a tender ship with people.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
On there to go get them, and you saw them rescue.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
The dad and daughter.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
So there was supposedly a ship wide alert that went
out that said mob port side, man overboard that they
were able to basically get out there information that a
girl had gone overboard from the fourth deck and dad
went in right after her. Now, again, they can't stop
a cruise ship. They can't just stop it, drop anchor
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something like that, or even turn it around in any
good amount of time to get back there. So they
drop down one of the yellow res rescue boats into
the water. Dad and daughter are seen in video from
I mean just about there are dozens of them out there.
Of the videos that showed dad and daughter bobbing up
and down.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Thankfully, the sea itself was not that rough.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
What I didn't realize is that Disney cruise lines and
I'm assuming others as well, are equipped with an overboard
detection system which alerts the ship's crew to anybody who
may fall off the side in real time, so that
they have a chance to go back and save it.
Speaker 9 (21:55):
I would jump off a cruise ship to save anybody,
even if it was or was not a family. Remember also,
if a man's walking his dog and falls into a
frozen ponder lake, I go in save the dog first,
and then the man's second, because the dog was following
its owner. That's why I play that game, So dogs first,
people second. Hey, great show, by the way, Thank you,
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have a great day.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Thank you too.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
We're also taking your talkbacks about some of the worst
behavior you've ever seen at theme parks.
Speaker 8 (22:26):
I wasn't there, but my son went Tond'sberry Farm a
couple of weekends ago for senior graduation and there was
an adult fight between two groups, and the man took
off his shoes and started hitting some lady in the
face over a chair. Wait to set an example for
these kids.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, way to go out into the working world, kids.
This is how you settle your differences. All right, Up
next swamp, watch the latest and what's going on with
a big beautiful bill trying to make its way through
the Senate. They are still debating, they're still taking these
votes in the vod rama with all of the amendments.
We'll explain what's going on, and then AI. I got
good news bad news about artificial intelligence. Good news as
(23:07):
it can help. Bad news is it can also gut
your brain, hollow it out like Swiss cheese.
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
Of course, we told you about yesterday's story Canfield Mountain,
right near Quardlaine, Idaho, where a fire was apparently deliberately
set to lure first responders to the area and then
some guy started sniping at them. At least two quard
Alane Fire officials were shot and killed. A third is
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believed to be in very critical condition, and a few
hours after the shooting happened, hundreds of law enforcement officers
were in that entire area looking for this guy. They
found a body next to a gun, and they believed
that that was the sniper.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
They believe also that he was acting alone.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
They said they did exchange gunfire with this guy, but
they're not certain if he shot and killed himself or
if he was hit by one of the officers. Authorities
said they're no longer concerned. There was a thought that
there might be a second shooter in all of that,
but they said that that is not the case now.
Now they still have to deal with the fire that
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is still burning out of patrol in that area near
Corda Lane. Speaking of fires, several fires burning in San
Bernardino and Riverside Counties. The largest of all of these
right now is the Wolf fire burning near Banning. It's
at about fourteen hundred acres now. This one started just
about three o'clock yesterday afternoon in the area of Old Banning,
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out the wild Road and wolf Skill Truck Trail there.
Speaker 3 (01:37):
In Banning.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
There were a handful of evacuation orders in some areas,
and then evacuation warnings as well because of the chance
for this thing to get out. There's an evacuation center
that's been opened at Hammett High School and an animal
shelter that's opened in Sanja Sinto still under investigation now,
not saying that it's clear that these are arson, but
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some of these started in roughly the same area at
the same time. I mean they're spread out significantly, but
arguably some of them could have gotten you could get
from one place to the other in this time. The
second largest fire in Riverside County is the Mindy Fire,
about seventy percent contained, was only about one hundred acres
(02:19):
just about three forty five in Awonga, and then Mandale
Fire and Riverside is at about eighty three acres but
no containment as of yet. This would be right along
the neighborhood Tyler Street Mandala Court there in Riverside. Sam
Bernandino County also saw some significant fires. The Lake Fire
in San Berndandino County four hundred and eighty five acres
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just before four o'clock yesterday right along Highway one seventy
three and Cedar Springs Dam Trail.
Speaker 3 (02:46):
Up in the mountains.
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Smiley fire is at eighty three acres but is fully contained,
they said. And then the Cable Fire nice and small,
that's the way we like them. Right about three thirty
yesterday afternoon, sorry three thirty Saturday, near Martin Ranch Road
and Lane in Cable Canyon.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
We will see more fires.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
We know that the fire season is year round here
and it's it's going to get worse before it gets better.
Northern California could also see some problems the high temperatures
up in the Central Valley. They are going to put
up a red flag warning from Northern for parts of
northern California starting an hour from now that will go
through tomorrow night. Any storms that do form would likely
(03:27):
produce some rain in the core, but lightning is possible
far from those core areas, according to the Weather Service,
and said any fires that develop would likely spread rapidly.
Outdoor burning is not recommended in several places throughout northern California,
and as right now, they've said a ten percent chance
of isolated storms possible through today through tomorrow afternoon up
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in northern California, So most of it is going to
be in the northern Sierra foothills portions of like Shasta
Trinity Lasson Park. That's where most those red flag warnings
are going to be posted. Our fire situation here throughout
La County is not getting any better, and the situations
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if you have not yet seen firsthand the devastation from
the Eton fire in Altadena or the Palisades Fire in
Palisades in Malibu, it is pretty jaw dropping. My wife
and I for the first time since the fires, drove
out to Malibu on Saturday just to get a look
at it. To help out some businesses, grab lunch, do
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a little shopping, that kind of thing, because they are
getting punched in the face. They just have not been
able to make any money. Part of it was because
PCH had been shut down for so long or restricted
to residents only, and they were waiting for tourists to
come back.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Last week.
Speaker 2 (04:52):
We told you, I think it's Dukes that's supposed to
open this week and it looks ready to go, but
they still need help. I'll tell you what I saw
and how we dealt with what it is that we
saw when we come back. By the way, not tourism.
I didn't drive through the neighborhoods. I stayed on pch
keep everybody. But it's amazing how much work is left
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to do. We'll talk about it we come back.
Speaker 1 (05:16):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
January seventh was the day the Palisades fire started. That
January seventh was the night the Eton fire started and
blew through Altadena and Pacific Palisades to the tune of
thousands and thousands of homes that were completely destroyed, thousands
more that were damaged, thousands on top of that that
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suffered smoke damage. And the images that we saw from
back in January with just firestorms literally blowing through the
hills and the homes in those areas were hard to believe.
And watching those late into the night January seventh, was
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I mean, it was incredible. It was unbelievable the amount
of damage that was being done with those high winds
combined with the dry conditions and in the Palisades area,
the lack of water pressure.
Speaker 3 (06:22):
I mean, we all know what this is, but.
Speaker 2 (06:26):
Outside of LA they all thought that it was a
major portion of LA had burned, and we know that
that's not the case, but the amount of devastation still
is kind of hard to fathom unless you see it firsthand.
And for the first time since the fires, Shannon number one,
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that's my wife, we went to Malibu and the Palisades
on Saturday because I was hearing these stories over and
over again about businesses that were having a hard time
staying open. It was just a couple of weeks ago
the PCH opened through the Palisades for general public. And yes,
pch's speed limit is down to twenty five miles an hour,
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but there's very good reason for it.
Speaker 4 (07:11):
Now.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
We came into Malibu from Las Virgenes, so we're coming
in from the north end and driving all the way
down through Malibu towards Palisades, and you can clearly see
when the fire starts, if that's the right term, where
the damage starts, because those homes off to the right
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of you, between PCH and the water, they start disappearing,
and then in greater concentration they're disappearing. And there are
some stretches of that part of PCH where there's just
nothing left but the concrete pylons and in some cases
some of the steel superstructure for some of these homes
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that didn't burn obviously, but that's all got to go.
That you can't reach build on concrete that's withstood those
temperatures because it's compromised, so they're gonna have to pull
all those pilings out.
Speaker 3 (08:06):
All that steel has got to go.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
What amazed me is the few number of homes, I
should say lots, the few number of lots that had
been completely cleaned and scraped down. Army Corps of Engineer
did most of the work that you've seen already. There
have been some private companies that have come in and
done it also, but there are literally still burned out
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cars along the side of PCH. I think we counted
five to the point. They're now covered in graffiti and
they've got weeds growing through them.
Speaker 5 (08:42):
Now.
Speaker 2 (08:42):
I don't know why that sort of stuff wasn't taken
care of months and months ago. But the businesses in
Malibu Palisades do a lesser degree because many of them
have not reopened yet. But businesses in Malibu are saying
we're dying. People aren't coming back, And granted there are
people who want to go there just for the tourist
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gawking thing about the destruction of multimillion dollar homes. You
don't need to leave pch to see that. You don't
have to go driving through the neighborhoods to see the destruction.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
It's out there.
Speaker 2 (09:15):
So wife and I went and had a great lunchtime,
saw some great shops. To be honest, we just went
through the Malibu Country Mart that was it just kind
of walked through there and had a great little sandwich
at that Italian place trod de NOOI I believe how
you say it, I don't know, don't speak Italian. That
and the Surfing Cowboys store that we went through, and
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the little coffee shop that is there.
Speaker 3 (09:39):
It's absolutely well worth.
Speaker 2 (09:42):
It is a hassle to get to Malibu, I know
if you don't live there, but it is absolutely worth it.
Now the Getty Villa reopened just on Friday, and it's
amazing because the landscaping is dead because basically every portion
of the landscaping infrastructure melted. The building itself is great.
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The building itself is fine, and they would love to
see you back over there. One of the lessons that
we've learned about fires and how to rebuild afterwards comes
to us from Lahina on Maui, where they're trying to
get people back into some of those homes. We'll explain
what they're doing there in Lahina now, almost two years
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after that massive fire.
Speaker 1 (10:28):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
Am six forty.
Speaker 2 (10:33):
I told you about what we saw in Maliboune Palisades
over on Saturday. Just the tons and tons of work
that will be left. I mean years that, fifty years
from now, Palisades may not look like it did on
the morning of January seventh, because you're going to have
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people who move out and never go back. You're going
to have people who rebuild and have started to do so.
Very few, but some have. Others who are lucky enough
to have just smoke damage to their house in some
cases haven't been able to go back because of insurance problems,
So how do you fill that whole of temporary housing
while the work continues to be done in Lahina On Maui,
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they are trying something. It's not perfect, but they're trying something.
Ka lai Ola is a development four hundred and fifty homes,
about fifteen hundred people, and this will be the earliest
wave of residents to move into their homes. They did
so several months ago, so just about a year after
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that fire, which was August two years ago. And getting
them into this temporary housing is important because it gives
them a place to live so that they can work,
so that they continue to fund to rebuild or find
a way to rebuild, et cetera. But it's a factory
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built house. Construction way back before the fires was hard
to come by on Maui anyway. To remote location, supplies
are hard to come by. Government agencies have a lot
of restrictions on building, et cetera in Hawaii in general,
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Maui specifically. But they have a fifty seven acre plot
state owned land by the way where they're trying to
put some of the most vulnerable victims of the Maui fire.
Hundreds of prefab homes that they're putting in place to
get them in there now. Like I said, Maoi's the
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housing needs on Maui are different through the different phases
of recovery. They have had two years on us almost
they are past the immediate crisis. Most of the debris
has been cleared from the home sites. People living in
Hote Teil rooms have been able to move out and
find other accommodations. But the rebuilding, the creating of new
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housing takes a whole lot longer. That takes the years,
not the months, and you've got zoning rules that can
be an absolute nightmare to deal with, construction hurdles, insurance claims,
the high cost. We're stuck in the middle of it
here in La and Palisades and Altadina, they're stuck in
that phase of it. Still, that development in Lahina Ka
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lai Ola is designed to break through some of those barriers.
Part of it is you could do it on state
owned land. Elsewhere you try to put a house up
through all of the disaster declarations and all the restrictions
and all the permitting and all the red tape, it's
gonna take years now. Part of the reason that The
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guy who started this got a contract with the state
is because he has a quick turnaround. Forest Dell is
the guy's name, and he started a company several years
ago called Nano Nest. He never thought that the business
was going to be fed by disaster relief. He actually
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thought it was just, hey, let's make small homes, tiny homes,
if you want to use the vernacular. Let's make small homes.
Let's make them prefabs so that they can go anywhere.
They're easy to reproduce, and let's make them cheap sixty
five seventy five thousand dollars. Some people could put them
in their backyard and make it an adu Airbnb or
something like that. But instead they said that, along with
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other manufacturers, this is an attempt to keep fire victims
close to their families and their jobs and their schools.
Speaker 3 (14:44):
What have you.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
So in this case, this guy's got a quick turnaround.
A Chinese factory. I know it's China. It's a Chinese
factory that can make hundreds of these five hundred models
in a month. It's going to take them about four
weeks to get it shipped across the Pacific. I mean,
if they're coming here to California. But then you've got
trade wars, you've got some things that are going on terraces,
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et cetera that could cause some problems, and trade policies
we've seen over the last couple of months can kind
of change on a dime. They're also unexpected costs in
Hawaii specific that I was referring to. For example, they
didn't have enough water. The fifty seven acre spot that
they were looking for is state owned, didn't have enough water,
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so they had to buy and build a massive tank
system to the tune of millions of dollars. They also
sit on some pretty hard lava rock and a steep hill,
so sewage systems we're going to be hard to come by,
so they had to blast through the ground to try
to lay down infrastructure that's going to be there for
some time. The thing is they don't want this to
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be a forever housing development, and it shouldn't be. They're
temporary homes. They're not meant to be lived in for decades.
They want Max to be in there may be ten years.
That's very optimistic because the scenes that I saw in
Malibu that people have seen in Altadena are echoed or
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I guess we're presaged by what we saw in Lahina,
devastation that we probably were unable to imagine. And that's
kind of the condition that they're in now. So there
are some solutions. These tiny, little prefab homes may not
make sense in places like the Palisades, but they might
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in Altadena if you could find a spot to get
people to live where they were before, stay in their jobs,
stay in their neighborhoods, stay in their community, stay in
their schools. There's something too, there's something to that all
right now why the whole country is starting to look
like California.
Speaker 3 (16:47):
You know what, I'll tell you what. We're gonna move
that one. Later.
Speaker 2 (16:50):
I wanted to talk about this dad that dove into
the ocean to save his daughter after she fell off
the cruise ship.
Speaker 3 (16:57):
Would you do that? Yeah?
Speaker 6 (17:00):
Was none or I mean it's just water. Yeah, but
I mean, look you can swim. Of course, we're parents.
We would definitely do that.
Speaker 3 (17:09):
Would you jump in for your dog too, though? I would? Yeah, Yeah,
you wouldn't. Well, your dog is so cute.
Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yes, my dog doesn't have a lot of he won't
have a lot of time for me to get in there.
Like by the time I jumped in. He's got tiny
little leggs.
Speaker 6 (17:23):
He can't swim, I know, but so you would just
kind of watch him.
Speaker 3 (17:27):
Probably not, You're right, I'd probably go on.
Speaker 6 (17:29):
You would never forgive yourself. Let's just say he still
didn't survive.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
You tried, that's true, and that would still be a
good story.
Speaker 3 (17:37):
Yes, that's what I'm here.
Speaker 6 (17:38):
That's what I'm here for.
Speaker 3 (17:40):
Do I get a good story out of it?
Speaker 2 (17:41):
All right, we'll come back talk about this dad that
jumped into the ocean to save his daughter.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (17:51):
We were talking earlier about, uh, the fire conditions in
Lehina rebuilding of course after the fire, and MAUI from
a couple of years ago seeing fire rebuilding in Altadena
and Malibu. Definitely not anywhere near as much as you
probably think, but there are some some signs of life
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in those places.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Hi, Gary wanted to comment on your Malibu fire story.
I also was a Chico grad and worked in Paradise
at a radio station up there in college. And I
went back to Paradise a few years ago, and you know,
it's been years since that fire, and it's still taking
so long for them to recoup. So I really hope
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and pray Malibu can get it together and learn from
Lahaina and just get back on track and we can
all support them have a good day.
Speaker 3 (18:41):
Thank you.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
My brother in law is works real estate up in
that area of the state and has said as much
that it is just hard to get hard to get
anything going, and that those neighborhoods are nowhere near being rebuilt.
I mean single digit percentes basically of homes that have
have rebuilt up there. If you have not seen this yet,
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a dad jumped off of the Disney Dream cruise ship
when his daughter fell overboard, and managing to get a
hold of her and tread water before they were both rescued.
Pretty amazing because the coverage of it is pretty breathless. Obviously,
people in Miami see cruise ships all the time, much
more so than we do here in southern California, although
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we see plenty of them, but that this reporter for
CBS News in Miami said a couple of people were
able to throw life jackets to this guy and the
daughter while they were in because you can't just stop.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
A cruise ship that's not the way it works.
Speaker 2 (19:46):
But they tried to get them life jackets while they
were swimming out there in the ocean. They were by
the way between Miami and Bermuda. That's where they were headed.
Speaker 7 (19:56):
One witness told me that the dad was not able
to reach one of those life best because he was
too busy worry about holding on to his daughter. One
witness told me that they were in the water for
twenty minutes, treading water. Think about treading water in a
pool for twenty minutes when it's calm and there are
no ways. This was in the ocean, and it really
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was incredible. Here's what some witnesses said happened.
Speaker 4 (20:22):
I saw the mother crying, But when they rescued them,
I think that's when the tears really started flowing, because
you were just so overjoyed knowing and I prayed to
God to save them, and he did.
Speaker 3 (20:35):
The ship was moving quickly, so quickly.
Speaker 8 (20:37):
It's crazy how quickly the people became tiny.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Dots in the scene and you lost sight of them.
Speaker 8 (20:44):
The captain slow the ship turned it around, and then
they deployed a tender ship with people.
Speaker 6 (20:49):
On there to go get them, and you saw them rescue.
Speaker 3 (20:52):
The dad and daughter.
Speaker 2 (20:54):
So there was supposedly a ship wide alert that went
out that said mob port side, man overboard that they
were able to basically get out there information that a
girl had gone overboard from the fourth deck and dad
went in right after her. Now, again, they can't stop
a cruise ship. They can't just stop it, drop anchor
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something like that, or even turn it around in any
good amount of time to get back there. So they
drop down one of the yellow res rescue boats into
the water. Dad and daughter are seen in video from
I mean just about there are dozens of them out there.
Of the videos that showed dad and daughter bobbing up
and down.
Speaker 3 (21:35):
Thankfully, the sea itself was not that rough.
Speaker 2 (21:39):
What I didn't realize is that Disney cruise lines and
I'm assuming others as well, are equipped with an overboard
detection system which alerts the ship's crew to anybody who
may fall off the side in real time, so that
they have a chance to go back and save it.
Speaker 9 (21:55):
I would jump off a cruise ship to save anybody,
even if it was or was not a family. Remember also,
if a man's walking his dog and falls into a
frozen ponder lake, I go in save the dog first,
and then the man's second, because the dog was following
its owner. That's why I play that game, So dogs first,
people second. Hey, great show, by the way, Thank you,
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have a great day.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
Thank you too.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
We're also taking your talkbacks about some of the worst
behavior you've ever seen at theme parks.
Speaker 8 (22:26):
I wasn't there, but my son went Tond'sberry Farm a
couple of weekends ago for senior graduation and there was
an adult fight between two groups, and the man took
off his shoes and started hitting some lady in the
face over a chair. Wait to set an example for
these kids.
Speaker 2 (22:43):
Yeah, way to go out into the working world, kids.
This is how you settle your differences. All right, Up
next swamp, watch the latest and what's going on with
a big beautiful bill trying to make its way through
the Senate. They are still debating, they're still taking these
votes in the vod rama with all of the amendments.
We'll explain what's going on, and then AI. I got
good news bad news about artificial intelligence. Good news as
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it can help. Bad news is it can also gut
your brain, hollow it out like Swiss cheese.
Speaker 3 (23:14):
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