September 29, 2025 • 30 mins
Gary and Shannon kick off the show with Shannon’s weekend in New York, covering the Chargers-Giants game and catching a Yankees matchup before diving into the Ryder Cup comeback. The tone shifts with coverage of the tragic Michigan church shooting. The pair then break down Pete Hegseth’s upcoming meeting with senior military brass, and President Trump’s planned attendance, raising questions about how the event came together. Later, they discuss Trump’s threat of 100% tariffs on American movies shot overseas, examine the drop in drug prosecutions under his administration, and highlight Erika Kirk’s powerful act of forgiveness that inspired Tim Allen years after his own family tragedy.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
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it wasn't too bad. I got home at about eleven pm. Yes,
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it's not too bad. That wasn't too bad. It's just weird.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're just off off, you know, because it's one when
the game kicks off, but it's ten when the game
kicks off, right, But then it's when game's over, but
it's really only one.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Right, and you're you're on New York time, and then
you're it's it's it's weird, but whatever, it's nothing to
complain about.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Great trip to New York, New York in the fall.
You went to a Yankee Yankees game.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Although I'm sitting there in Yankee Stadium and I'm like,
what's really even happened here? This isn't really Yankee Stadium,
like real Yankee stadiums across the street, Like this is
two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
What is anything is there?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I mean it's probably it's like a kid's park. Oh
really that's cool, Yeah, but I want to over there.
Looked at kind of soaked in felt the Ghosts of Felt,
the ghosts. Yeah. Absolutely, the big pants, the whole thing,
the big pants, you know, the baggy, the baggy baseball pants,
the way baseball pants should be warm. It was a
very odd weekend, very America. You had the Ryder Cup
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in New York where the Americans are heckling the Europeans
because they're so far behind. I mean, it was a
she lacking. It was an incredible comeback. It was a comeback.
I heard it described this morning. If you're not a
golf fan, you're down fifteen runs in baseball and you
make it within two you come back within two runs.
It was that much of a feat to come back,
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come back, short but still, but you had the American
fans heckling at golf. Okay, you had this shooting in
Michigan at a church during pregame where we're getting ready
for kickoff. It was just very America. Unfortunately and fortunately yes,
snapshot of what's yes, what's going on. The Ryder Cup
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was weird because it had turned into the Phoenix Open.
I mean where people were yelling at the golfers and
I know that it's it. That event itself is different.
You know, there is there is the the the America
versus Europe. I don't know aspect to it, but I've
never seen behavior like that at golf court. People throwing
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beers at Rory McElroy's wife.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Saying, how what are you doing? It's golf ps.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You want to do that? Come over to the metal lens, right.
I didn't see any beers thrown. I didn't see anything
thrown at Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
But golf and the Ryder Cups, that's a hard ticket
to get. It's really hard to get in there.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And that's although everyone I talked to went to the
Ryder Cup. Every one of the sidelines went to the
Ryder Cup.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That's all right, So when we get into the show,
but I wanted to point out something that we kind
of talked about last week. It came up in several
conversations over the weekend, and it's the issue of forgiveness.
Later this hour, we'll talk about that, because there was
yet another person that came out and got over that's
not the right word forgave someone who had wronged him,
(03:12):
which I thought was kind of an interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah. I know, we've talked about it before.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
It's such an incredibly powerful thing, not just because you
forgive someone, but the impact that it has on you
when you forgive somebody.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Also, cocaine is back, doesn't just make its way into
the show for no reason. Big investigation and article today
into how drug prosecutions are down with this administration because
deportations are up. So the cartels are like, yeah, we're
not going to come across legally, but we will send
our drugs.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The illegally. Excuse me you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
The big story from early yesterday was this incident at
an LDS church in Grand Blank Township in Michigan.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
He drove his vehicle through the front doors of the church.
He then exited his vehicle, firing several rounds at individuals
within a church.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
So the suspect is now At this point, we don't
know exactly why this forty year old guy from Burton, Michigan,
did this. We do know he's a former Marine sergeant.
He served in Iraq. He was eventually shot and killed
by law enforcement who showed up in the church parking
lot within thirty seconds, by the way, thirty two seconds
I think officially from when the nine to one to
(04:28):
one call was first placed. The FBI is leading the investigation.
They're saying that this was an act of targeted violence.
The politicians, of course, have to have their say. This
is Senator Alissa Slotkin of Michigan.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
This is clearly a mentally ill man, and we just
don't understand the motive yet. What we know is that
people who were just trying to pray at church were
killed in their house of worship, a place that should
be a sanctuary and safe, and we need to focus
on the community right now and getting them the healing
that they need.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
What coincidence that I was reading about around the same
time that I was following up on this developing story,
the oldest president in the history of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter day Sacians died the night before.
He died Saturday night, Russell Nelson in Salt Lake City,
one hundred and one years old. And I'm thinking, uh, no,
that's got to be just coincidence, because the news didn't
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coming out until after the shooting.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, it's very strange, and again no word on what
this motive was, why he would have targeted that church specifically,
and again.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So very American.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Unfortunately, in that instance, there was another shooting as well.
This one was in North Carolina, a former I should say,
a veteran who shot at a restaurant and bar. And
the thing about that one is he has shown repeated
instances of mental health struggles. In that case of forty
(06:00):
year old marine veteran pulled up to this water front
bar in North Carolina. He had been behind several bizarre
lawsuits filed in North Carolina this year, including one accusing
a church of trying to kill him. This lawsuit claimed
that Generation's Church was behind a civil conspiracy masterminded by
the LGBTQ community in white supremacist pedophiles trying to kill
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him because he happened to be a straight white male
and they didn't finish the job when he was serving
in Iraq.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Two separate instances. But it's just weird.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
We do have a lot of great news come up
coming up. It's not just guns and drugs.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Good news coming up.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, we've got forgiveness. Like you talked about, LA tourism
was down this summer. Huh hi, in a way, I
think you can do that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Do what that was a dumb person.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, So definitely not again, definitely not double doubting, double downing.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Uh oh.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Baseball starts tomorrow playoff baseball.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
That's happy, right, Thank you God.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
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Speaker 3 (07:13):
Are you putting bets on the rose Court?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
This will shock you? But I don't pay attention to this. Oh.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I do like the parade. I do like the beauty
of the rose Court and the princesses and the waving
and the float. I love all that, But I don't know, like,
it's not the fat bear competition for me, which I
do put bets on.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Who won that. By the way, I honestly didn't know.
I was you didn't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well, we're gonna have I can't believe we're not. I
can't believe we didn't lead with that this morning. I mean,
we kind of went all in last week on the
fat bear competition.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It was something to distract us from all the other crap.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That was right, and I wanted to roll that through
into this week.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
President Trump has confirmed to NBC he is going to
go to that big meeting.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, you know when.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
We talked about it yesterday when the news came out,
and the line in whatever story I was reading was
the White House hasn't commented, I go, he's going to
go to this thing. In my head, he's going to
go to this thing, because how could you resist. You've
got all of the military commander I I kind of
think that Trump called this thing. I don't think it
was hag Seth. I think he told Pete, Hey, you
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know what we should do. We should gather all the
top guys of the military.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Bring them all here. I have some funny memes. I'd
like to show them. You know, you rally and cry.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Hundreds of senior military officers from around the world will
be at Quantico Marine Corps Base in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I want to hear the memes. I want to see
the memes.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Is this like two sophisticated or boring for the meme makers?
Like the conversations between the brigadier generals of like can
you believe that, like this meeting could have been an
email like all of the memes. There's a target rich
environment the office space rewrite all of it.
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President Trump has once again pledged to impose one tariff
on any foreign made movies. He promised this a few
months ago. I think May was the first time he
had said this and doubled down on it today. It's
not clear how you do this. It's not clear whether
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it's a tariff to be paid by producers.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Also, percent sounds like one million dollars, like really one
hundred percent tariff.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
It sounds kind of comical there.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
This is a massive It is a massive issue if
in fact this is put in place because of the
amount of stuff that is made outside of the United States,
and that's not even to talk about, you know, the
loss of talent and business, et cetera. The film industry
specifically from California, southern California targeting, but it is significant.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Well, and not all movies have a California or Kansas backdrop. Sure,
some movies are set in Italy or Rome or Korea
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, and what if it's a what if it's a
story about somebody who goes from America America, right and
they have to film some of it there? Does all
of the production aspect that took place in Italy then
be is that subject?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
One hundred percent? It seems ridiculous, is what it seems.
I mean it is.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
The movie industry is a global industry. It's one thing
to say, hey, we'll give you incentives for filming in America,
filming in California, like we do want to keep as
many film dollars here as possible, But to just blacklist
the rest of the globe in terms of filming as silly.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
When he talked about this originally, when Trump talked about
this in May, that kind of spurred a lot of
different opinions about how it would work, what it would
look like. And there was an analysis that came out
in July by Jacob Jensen, trade policy analysts at the
American Action Form and said if the tariff is based
off of total box office sales, a lot of this
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soon to be released movies would basically have no chance
of ever turning a profit because very rarely is somebody
going to be able to double what they make at
the box office, and then some Even if it were
based off of profits, the tariff is going to lead
to higher ticket costs, higher licensing fees, higher prices when
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it comes to at home sales. And they said a
tariff on the production costs itself would have a more
limited impact, especially if it only applies to that portion,
like I said, that was spent outside the United States,
but it would still the bottom line basically is you're
probably going to see higher ticket prices.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I do not want to give Gavin Newsome any more
credit than he deserves on a national stage, But is
this an f and you to Gavin Newsom? Because in
Trump's announcement he kind of singled out California, saying the
state had been particularly hit hard. Is this a way
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for him to say I've done more for California than
Gavin Newsom has.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Maybe, but I know that they both agreed on the
TV and film tax credit program. The gavenusom passed to
more than double the tax credits that were available.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
There are Hollywood executives that are saying this will result
in a virtual complete halt of production if it goes through,
but they say that he has no jurisdiction to do
this and that it's too complex to reinforce.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It gets a pie in the sky idea.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And one of those things, Listen, that's one of the
things that he has been known for is he will
throw this giant idea with no teeth behind it idea
out there in order to begin the negotiations.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
He's done that with multiple countries already.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Jay Surrs is the vice chairman of the United Talent Agency.
He told CNN that the fact is it's cheaper for
Hollywood studios to pay for everyone to get on planes
pay for hotels because the cost of labor, the lack
of rebates, and the ability to make things overseas is
infinitely cheaper.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Well, the best example that I've heard of in the
last couple of years, and I hear it over and
over again, is that Rob Low game show The Floor
is filmed in Ireland. It's cheaper for them to fly
all of their American contestants and Rob Low and the
production company. It's to Ireland for full production than it
is to do it anywhere here in the United States.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, suck.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
The other thing is the box office went from twelve
billion before the pandemic to about two billion.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
So let's cut all the red tape.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
How about make movies wherever the hell you want to
make them to get asses back into the seats.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It'd be fine. It's a good policy. You should should
call somebody about that.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You think I should? Yeah, all right, and they answer
the phone, they go, hello.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
We are not doing that. Is that a European dumber person? Seriously?
Let's fix may on the other inga federal drugs Did
you ever learn pig Latin?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I did? I did not see sisters were really good
at it, were they? Yeah? I didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Never, I never knew it. I don't know what it
just said it. That was me faking it. It's pretty
easy there, Shannon, is it? Oh okay, you jump off
a building and suddenly you know everything.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
She had an awakening on the way down.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Oh my god, I loved that your shirt matched your helmet,
like is my favorite thing?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Thank you? Did you know it? Was going to be
a blue helmet.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Uh no, it was treasure perfect and it was representing
my Dodger b Yeah, I was gonna say it was
Dodger blue.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It was all perfect. It looked great. How did it go?
Was it scary?
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Terrifying and exhilarating?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Was it different than the first time you did it
in those ways or similar?
Speaker 8 (15:34):
I thought that I would be a little bit less
freaked out about it because I had done it before.
Uh huh, nope, No, no, okay. It is that when
you step over that railing. Yeah, and you're on the
other side of the safety railing that's twenty five stories upright,
and they tell you to sit down.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Oh my god, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. It's
just your body doesn't want to. No, it's like everything
in you.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I was like, why would you do such a stupid
anybody crapped their pants? No, But I will tell you
that Neil Savader freaked out a little bit. Really yeah,
And here's why, because they tell you don't look down,
and I think I started looking down at when I
was about halfway down.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
But they tell you not to look down. And Neil
was doing all the prep stuff and he kind of
caught a glimpse of the ground from up top.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Oh no, and he was like, okay, I can't. I
can't get that out of my head.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
And he was just like yelling at the people who were,
you know, getting it ready to go and stuff. He
went and he did great. He only got locked up
once because he goes too fast. I bet you didn't
get locked up there.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I didn't know.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
In fact, I was doing something that they told me
not to that I was holding on to the rope
and I had sort of a death grip on one
of the ropes, so it was actually slowing me down.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
They had I had extra breaks.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Well, but you did it like a professional and yell
at anybody no, and yeah, that's our warrior.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I scared. How much money did you say? Twenty six thousand?
Is that right? Yeah, that's amazing. We're up over twenty
six thousand. Now all for a Union rescue mission.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
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Speaker 1 (17:14):
Khalil mack Hat left his phone on the plane and
the player's buses had since left. But the staff we
get on the bus and they're like, oh, we got
to wait while we search the plane for Khalil's phone,
and we're like, it's like fifteen minutes go by, twenty
minutes go by.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
We're like, what the heck, We'll buy Khalil Mack a
new phone. PS.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
This man has made like one hundred and ninety million
dollars in his career.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
He can get another one, get another phone. We need
to get home.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
But anyway, in this time, everyone's on their phones. No
Wi Fi on board, so everyone's like getting back and
see what's going on in the world seeing, you know,
watching the end of that game that ended in a tie.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Game should not end in a tie in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Come on, I mean, I know they had to do
something with the with the rules, but it's so unsatisfying,
especially a primetime game.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Especially that many points. Yeah, that's I mean right, that's
the other thing.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
All of it. It was just so anti climactic.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But Daniel Jeremiah had the best line because the Bad
Bunny News broke Bad Bunny being the halftime show, which
all of America, I mean, if you had a hard
time with Kendrick Lamar, good luck. But Daniel had the
quote of the night when he said, it's like in
back to the future when Marty says, I guess you
guys aren't ready for that, but your kids are gonna
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love it.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
To all of America. A couple of things going on.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
The White House says that Israel and Hamas are very
close to reaching an agreement on a framework deal to
end the war in Gaza. President Trump is talking about
this with Benjamin attin y'all who at.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
The White House today.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
President Trump is also expected to speak today with leaders
in caught her. There is a news conference going on
right now in Grand Blanc, Michigan, where that Marine veteran
pulled up to the.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
A truck to a.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Chapel sorry in Grand blank Township, Michigan, set it on fire,
started shooting at worshipers, and then was killed by police.
As of right now, we know four people were killed,
eight others were wounded, but they are still searching through there.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Well.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Donald Trump has really focused on deportations and now it
seems like the drug prosecutions have kind of taken a hit.
Federal drug prosecutions have dropped the lowest level in decades
while they shift their attention to immigration enforcement prosecutions, following
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about ten percent this year compared to last year up
until this point.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, which is a strange I mean it's not.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
On the one hand, there's probably a reaction of well,
we're deporting the bad guys, so we're not prosecuting. But
the other thing is we're not paying attention to the
drug prosecutions because we're paying attention to deporting bad guys
that might not have anything to do with drug cases.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
We talked last week about how cocaine is back and
the leaders of the drug cartel families. There's the fentanyl family,
and then there's the cocaine family. It's the El Chapo
and the Sinaloa cartels and the agreements that they are making,
and it's all to funnel more drugs into the United States.
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And they've been very successful in funneling cocaine specifically in
recent months.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
And that doesn't just happen.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
There's been a lack of focus on the drug infestation
of this country.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
The President did this right after he took office, but
this shift has produced they set a coast to coast
slow down in the types of investigations and prosecutions the
government has been working on, including the cartels, and focus
more on the quick hit immigration raids, interviews, court documents
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have shown all of this. They claim the government does
that drug cartel products, which by the way, are drugs
killed more than eighty thousand people last year. That has
also I mean it's it's not separated completely. There are
clearly parts of the Venn diagram that overlap each other,
(21:23):
with immigration issues and drug trafficking coming into but also
human trafficking, et cetera. So it's not a clean break
a white house.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
A Department of Justice spokesperson said the focus on immigration
and cartels is what is reducing drugs in communities, and
that the Department of Justice is targeting serious offenders and
these transnational cartels rather than raw case numbers. So yes,
the prosecutions may be down, but their argument basically is
because this is a I hate this term, but it's
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a whole of government approach.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
But the raw case the cases that they're going after
are based on deportation and not drugs. They're doing their
deportation cases willy nilly. I mean, the guy at home
depot is not selling a kilo of cocaine on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I didn't see him. I mean, he may have.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Very different circles that the people run in the drug
cartel people and the people being deported or singled out
to be deported.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Let's chalk this up to being a good story. Yes,
it's born out of tragedy. But when Erica Kirk stood
in front of ninety thousand people at State Farm Stadium
and millions on television and forgave the man who shot
her husband, it brought up this issue of forgiveness and
whether you or I or anyone would be capable of
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that in an instance like that.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, what I.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Said then and I've realized in life, is the case
is you're not forgiving them for them. It's not a
kindness that you're doing for the person who slaughtered your
family member. It's for you, because you don't want to
live with that in your heart and your being. It'll
make you sick if you live with that kind of hate.
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If you don't forgive and you carry that around with you,
you're hurting yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You're not hurting them. They don't care.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
We'll talk about this a new case of somebody forgiving
after a very long time we come back.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
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Speaker 1 (23:30):
There are some concerns going into this NL Wildcard series.
When you think about the Cincinnati Reds, they've clinched their
first playoff berth in five years. Road teams have won
eight of twelve Wildcard series since the format change, so
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gives the underdog red some hope. It's a best of
three format. They're hot, Yeah, they're hot. They're hot at
the right time.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
They've got some good starting pitching.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
You know, did you see, by the way Freddie Freeman
take Clayton Kershaw out of the game yesterday.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It's hot. Clayton Kershaw looks about one hundred and ten
he pitched in his final regular seasons.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Oh my gosh, those are some hard fought wins, hard
fought pitches.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
My goodness.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well, not to and not to take Conway's the wind
out of his sales. That Dodgers Reds game is going
to be a six oh eight first pitch at Dodgers Stadium.
There are four wild Card series to be played tomorrow
starting tomorrow, Detroit and Cleveland at ten o'clock, San Diego,
Chicago Cubs at noon, and Boston New York at three,
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And then, like I said, Dodgers Reds at six. That's
all day baseball tomorrow. So a little more than a
week ago, we saw the big, huge memorial service for
Charlie Kirk down in Arizona, and one of the well
arguably the most significant moment that was broadcast over and
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over again was when Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica, forgave the
shooter young men.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
Just like the one who took his life.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
That young man, that young.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Man on the cross, Our Savior said, Father, forgive them.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
For they not know what they do. That man, that
young man, I forgive him.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
The tens of thousands of people in the crowd applauded
that move by Erica Kirk. She said she forgave him
because it was what Christ did and it is what
Charlie would do.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
She said.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we
know from the Gospel is love.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Tim Allen, the actor, lost his father in a car
accident when he was just eleven years old, and Tim
Allen has been unable to forgive that drunk driver responsible.
His dad was a real estate agent, Gerald Dick was
his name, and he died in November nineteen sixty four
(26:56):
while driving with his wife and a car full of
kids home from a football game in Colorado. What happened
was a driver swerved into a median on the I seventy,
collided with his vehicle, Gerald Dick, their father, married, father
of many, broke his neck. Died in my mom's lap
right there, Tim Allen said, And inside the actors studio interview,
(27:20):
he said, as many times as I'd relive this, if
you haven't had a death in your family, I don't
suggest it, he said, but it certainly changes every single
thing from your cells in DNA, it turns a different color.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
He had this. Uh, I guess it's not unusual, but
an interesting reaction to it. He said. He hated November.
He hated November. He hated fall.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Because everything would remind you of that, you know, the
changing colors, the colder temperatures. It would remind you of
that time when your whole family was ripped apart.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He also said he had survivor's guild care.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I guess he wasn't in the car at the time
of the accident, but he said, everything, every single thing
in my life changed and he knew the moment. I
knew the moment he was dead, that he was dead.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
So he takes to X and he's seventy two now,
Tim Allen wow, and he said that Erica Kirk's words
affected him profoundly and it helped him find within himself
to choose forgiveness.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Tim Allen wrote, I have struggled for over sixty years
to forgive the man who killed my dad. I will
say those words now as I type. I forgive the
man who killed my father. That's see, that's an interesting
aspect of this because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
You know, you can be angry at things like.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You could be angry at things like cancer and accidents
or whatever. But to forgive the someone that kills your
loved one, you can't let them become you like. You
can't let the anger become you.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
If you're angry at cancer, you can't let that become
your identity who you are.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
You can't become an angry person can feel that way.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I feel very angry about cancer that my wife was
taken from me. But if you become that anger, you're
not doing yourself any good.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
You're not I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
And the same thing with the hate that you would
feel after somebody assassinates your young husband, the father of
your children, what good does that do? Erica Kirk walking
around with that. It's the forgiveness. Yes, it's what Christ
would have done. But also it's good for you to
rid yourself of that kind of bad feeling.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, And I wonder if there's more of that. I
don't know if, I mean if.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Obviously Tim Allen is a guy, because he's Tim Allen
and you know his name, right, But I wonder how
many people other people saw her forgiveness and took that
to her.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Do you think I'm happy sitting with you every day
for four hours? No, but I don't carry that around
with me.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I forgive you.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Kill me if I carried it around, that feeling and
I just feel it and acknowledge it and let it go.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I'll forgive you again. All right again? What are you
forgiving me? For all of it? Just you don't get what.
I'll show you something forgive me for.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
We do have terror in the Skuys Coming up a
little bit later later, steroids are turning guys gay. Now,
Oh you haven't seen that? No, yeah, there's that. The
Rancho Palace Vertics is slipping into the ocean.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I think the ship had sailed on the turning X
Y or Z turns people gay.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I thought that was. We don't know. That's not a
thing that was.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
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it wasn't too bad. I got home at about eleven pm. Yes,
(00:21):
it's not too bad. That wasn't too bad. It's just weird.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
You're just off off, you know, because it's one when
the game kicks off, but it's ten when the game
kicks off, right, But then it's when game's over, but
it's really only one.
Speaker 1 (00:32):
Right, and you're you're on New York time, and then
you're it's it's it's weird, but whatever, it's nothing to
complain about.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Great trip to New York, New York in the fall.
You went to a Yankee Yankees game.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Although I'm sitting there in Yankee Stadium and I'm like,
what's really even happened here? This isn't really Yankee Stadium,
like real Yankee stadiums across the street, Like this is
two thousand and eight.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
What is anything is there?
Speaker 1 (00:55):
I mean it's probably it's like a kid's park. Oh
really that's cool, Yeah, but I want to over there.
Looked at kind of soaked in felt the Ghosts of Felt,
the ghosts. Yeah. Absolutely, the big pants, the whole thing,
the big pants, you know, the baggy, the baggy baseball pants,
the way baseball pants should be warm. It was a
very odd weekend, very America. You had the Ryder Cup
(01:18):
in New York where the Americans are heckling the Europeans
because they're so far behind. I mean, it was a
she lacking. It was an incredible comeback. It was a comeback.
I heard it described this morning. If you're not a
golf fan, you're down fifteen runs in baseball and you
make it within two you come back within two runs.
It was that much of a feat to come back,
(01:39):
come back, short but still, but you had the American
fans heckling at golf. Okay, you had this shooting in
Michigan at a church during pregame where we're getting ready
for kickoff. It was just very America. Unfortunately and fortunately yes,
snapshot of what's yes, what's going on. The Ryder Cup
(02:02):
was weird because it had turned into the Phoenix Open.
I mean where people were yelling at the golfers and
I know that it's it. That event itself is different.
You know, there is there is the the the America
versus Europe. I don't know aspect to it, but I've
never seen behavior like that at golf court. People throwing
(02:23):
beers at Rory McElroy's wife.
Speaker 2 (02:26):
Saying, how what are you doing? It's golf ps.
Speaker 1 (02:29):
You want to do that? Come over to the metal lens, right.
I didn't see any beers thrown. I didn't see anything
thrown at Yankee Stadium.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
But golf and the Ryder Cups, that's a hard ticket
to get. It's really hard to get in there.
Speaker 1 (02:42):
And that's although everyone I talked to went to the
Ryder Cup. Every one of the sidelines went to the
Ryder Cup.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
That's all right, So when we get into the show,
but I wanted to point out something that we kind
of talked about last week. It came up in several
conversations over the weekend, and it's the issue of forgiveness.
Later this hour, we'll talk about that, because there was
yet another person that came out and got over that's
not the right word forgave someone who had wronged him,
(03:12):
which I thought was kind of an interesting.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
Yeah. I know, we've talked about it before.
Speaker 3 (03:17):
It's such an incredibly powerful thing, not just because you
forgive someone, but the impact that it has on you
when you forgive somebody.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Also, cocaine is back, doesn't just make its way into
the show for no reason. Big investigation and article today
into how drug prosecutions are down with this administration because
deportations are up. So the cartels are like, yeah, we're
not going to come across legally, but we will send
our drugs.
Speaker 2 (03:46):
The illegally. Excuse me you mentioned.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
The big story from early yesterday was this incident at
an LDS church in Grand Blank Township in Michigan.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
He drove his vehicle through the front doors of the church.
He then exited his vehicle, firing several rounds at individuals
within a church.
Speaker 3 (04:07):
So the suspect is now At this point, we don't
know exactly why this forty year old guy from Burton, Michigan,
did this. We do know he's a former Marine sergeant.
He served in Iraq. He was eventually shot and killed
by law enforcement who showed up in the church parking
lot within thirty seconds, by the way, thirty two seconds
I think officially from when the nine to one to
(04:28):
one call was first placed. The FBI is leading the investigation.
They're saying that this was an act of targeted violence.
The politicians, of course, have to have their say. This
is Senator Alissa Slotkin of Michigan.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
This is clearly a mentally ill man, and we just
don't understand the motive yet. What we know is that
people who were just trying to pray at church were
killed in their house of worship, a place that should
be a sanctuary and safe, and we need to focus
on the community right now and getting them the healing
that they need.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
What coincidence that I was reading about around the same
time that I was following up on this developing story,
the oldest president in the history of the Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter day Sacians died the night before.
He died Saturday night, Russell Nelson in Salt Lake City,
one hundred and one years old. And I'm thinking, uh, no,
that's got to be just coincidence, because the news didn't
(05:21):
coming out until after the shooting.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
Yeah, it's very strange, and again no word on what
this motive was, why he would have targeted that church specifically,
and again.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
So very American.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Unfortunately, in that instance, there was another shooting as well.
This one was in North Carolina, a former I should say,
a veteran who shot at a restaurant and bar. And
the thing about that one is he has shown repeated
instances of mental health struggles. In that case of forty
(06:00):
year old marine veteran pulled up to this water front
bar in North Carolina. He had been behind several bizarre
lawsuits filed in North Carolina this year, including one accusing
a church of trying to kill him. This lawsuit claimed
that Generation's Church was behind a civil conspiracy masterminded by
the LGBTQ community in white supremacist pedophiles trying to kill
(06:24):
him because he happened to be a straight white male
and they didn't finish the job when he was serving
in Iraq.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
Two separate instances. But it's just weird.
Speaker 1 (06:34):
We do have a lot of great news come up
coming up. It's not just guns and drugs.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Good news coming up.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
Yeah, we've got forgiveness. Like you talked about, LA tourism
was down this summer. Huh hi, in a way, I
think you can do that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Do what that was a dumb person.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Yeah, So definitely not again, definitely not double doubting, double downing.
Speaker 2 (07:00):
Uh oh.
Speaker 3 (07:00):
Baseball starts tomorrow playoff baseball.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
That's happy, right, Thank you God.
Speaker 6 (07:07):
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Speaker 3 (07:13):
Are you putting bets on the rose Court?
Speaker 2 (07:18):
This will shock you? But I don't pay attention to this. Oh.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
I do like the parade. I do like the beauty
of the rose Court and the princesses and the waving
and the float. I love all that, But I don't know, like,
it's not the fat bear competition for me, which I
do put bets on.
Speaker 2 (07:36):
Who won that. By the way, I honestly didn't know.
I was you didn't know. I don't know.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Well, we're gonna have I can't believe we're not. I
can't believe we didn't lead with that this morning. I mean,
we kind of went all in last week on the
fat bear competition.
Speaker 2 (07:48):
It was something to distract us from all the other crap.
Speaker 1 (07:51):
That was right, and I wanted to roll that through
into this week.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
President Trump has confirmed to NBC he is going to
go to that big meeting.
Speaker 2 (08:00):
Yeah, you know when.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
We talked about it yesterday when the news came out,
and the line in whatever story I was reading was
the White House hasn't commented, I go, he's going to
go to this thing. In my head, he's going to
go to this thing, because how could you resist. You've
got all of the military commander I I kind of
think that Trump called this thing. I don't think it
was hag Seth. I think he told Pete, Hey, you
(08:24):
know what we should do. We should gather all the
top guys of the military.
Speaker 2 (08:27):
Bring them all here. I have some funny memes. I'd
like to show them. You know, you rally and cry.
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (08:34):
Hundreds of senior military officers from around the world will
be at Quantico Marine Corps Base in Virginia.
Speaker 2 (08:40):
I want to hear the memes. I want to see
the memes.
Speaker 1 (08:42):
Is this like two sophisticated or boring for the meme makers?
Like the conversations between the brigadier generals of like can
you believe that, like this meeting could have been an
email like all of the memes. There's a target rich
environment the office space rewrite all of it.
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President Trump has once again pledged to impose one tariff
on any foreign made movies. He promised this a few
months ago. I think May was the first time he
had said this and doubled down on it today. It's
not clear how you do this. It's not clear whether
(09:55):
it's a tariff to be paid by producers.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
Also, percent sounds like one million dollars, like really one
hundred percent tariff.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
It sounds kind of comical there.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
This is a massive It is a massive issue if
in fact this is put in place because of the
amount of stuff that is made outside of the United States,
and that's not even to talk about, you know, the
loss of talent and business, et cetera. The film industry
specifically from California, southern California targeting, but it is significant.
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Well, and not all movies have a California or Kansas backdrop. Sure,
some movies are set in Italy or Rome or Korea
or whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:42):
Yeah, and what if it's a what if it's a
story about somebody who goes from America America, right and
they have to film some of it there? Does all
of the production aspect that took place in Italy then
be is that subject?
Speaker 2 (10:55):
One hundred percent? It seems ridiculous, is what it seems.
I mean it is.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
The movie industry is a global industry. It's one thing
to say, hey, we'll give you incentives for filming in America,
filming in California, like we do want to keep as
many film dollars here as possible, But to just blacklist
the rest of the globe in terms of filming as silly.
Speaker 3 (11:18):
When he talked about this originally, when Trump talked about
this in May, that kind of spurred a lot of
different opinions about how it would work, what it would
look like. And there was an analysis that came out
in July by Jacob Jensen, trade policy analysts at the
American Action Form and said if the tariff is based
off of total box office sales, a lot of this
(11:39):
soon to be released movies would basically have no chance
of ever turning a profit because very rarely is somebody
going to be able to double what they make at
the box office, and then some Even if it were
based off of profits, the tariff is going to lead
to higher ticket costs, higher licensing fees, higher prices when
(12:00):
it comes to at home sales. And they said a
tariff on the production costs itself would have a more
limited impact, especially if it only applies to that portion,
like I said, that was spent outside the United States,
but it would still the bottom line basically is you're
probably going to see higher ticket prices.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
I do not want to give Gavin Newsome any more
credit than he deserves on a national stage, But is
this an f and you to Gavin Newsom? Because in
Trump's announcement he kind of singled out California, saying the
state had been particularly hit hard. Is this a way
(12:38):
for him to say I've done more for California than
Gavin Newsom has.
Speaker 3 (12:42):
Maybe, but I know that they both agreed on the
TV and film tax credit program. The gavenusom passed to
more than double the tax credits that were available.
Speaker 1 (12:53):
There are Hollywood executives that are saying this will result
in a virtual complete halt of production if it goes through,
but they say that he has no jurisdiction to do
this and that it's too complex to reinforce.
Speaker 2 (13:11):
It gets a pie in the sky idea.
Speaker 3 (13:13):
And one of those things, Listen, that's one of the
things that he has been known for is he will
throw this giant idea with no teeth behind it idea
out there in order to begin the negotiations.
Speaker 2 (13:25):
He's done that with multiple countries already.
Speaker 1 (13:27):
Jay Surrs is the vice chairman of the United Talent Agency.
He told CNN that the fact is it's cheaper for
Hollywood studios to pay for everyone to get on planes
pay for hotels because the cost of labor, the lack
of rebates, and the ability to make things overseas is
infinitely cheaper.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
Well, the best example that I've heard of in the
last couple of years, and I hear it over and
over again, is that Rob Low game show The Floor
is filmed in Ireland. It's cheaper for them to fly
all of their American contestants and Rob Low and the
production company. It's to Ireland for full production than it
is to do it anywhere here in the United States.
Speaker 2 (14:05):
Yeah, suck.
Speaker 1 (14:09):
The other thing is the box office went from twelve
billion before the pandemic to about two billion.
Speaker 2 (14:16):
So let's cut all the red tape.
Speaker 1 (14:19):
How about make movies wherever the hell you want to
make them to get asses back into the seats.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
How about that?
Speaker 3 (14:25):
It'd be fine. It's a good policy. You should should
call somebody about that.
Speaker 2 (14:30):
You think I should? Yeah, all right, and they answer
the phone, they go, hello.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
We are not doing that. Is that a European dumber person? Seriously?
Let's fix may on the other inga federal drugs Did
you ever learn pig Latin?
Speaker 2 (14:48):
I did? I did not see sisters were really good
at it, were they? Yeah? I didn't.
Speaker 1 (14:52):
Never, I never knew it. I don't know what it
just said it. That was me faking it. It's pretty
easy there, Shannon, is it? Oh okay, you jump off
a building and suddenly you know everything.
Speaker 2 (15:05):
She had an awakening on the way down.
Speaker 1 (15:08):
Oh my god, I loved that your shirt matched your helmet,
like is my favorite thing?
Speaker 2 (15:12):
Thank you? Did you know it? Was going to be
a blue helmet.
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Uh no, it was treasure perfect and it was representing
my Dodger b Yeah, I was gonna say it was
Dodger blue.
Speaker 2 (15:23):
It was all perfect. It looked great. How did it go?
Was it scary?
Speaker 7 (15:27):
Uh?
Speaker 2 (15:28):
Terrifying and exhilarating?
Speaker 1 (15:29):
Was it different than the first time you did it
in those ways or similar?
Speaker 8 (15:34):
I thought that I would be a little bit less
freaked out about it because I had done it before.
Uh huh, nope, No, no, okay. It is that when
you step over that railing. Yeah, and you're on the
other side of the safety railing that's twenty five stories upright,
and they tell you to sit down.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Oh my god, Oh my gosh, Oh my gosh. It's
just your body doesn't want to. No, it's like everything
in you.
Speaker 1 (16:00):
I was like, why would you do such a stupid
anybody crapped their pants? No, But I will tell you
that Neil Savader freaked out a little bit. Really yeah,
And here's why, because they tell you don't look down,
and I think I started looking down at when I
was about halfway down.
Speaker 8 (16:13):
But they tell you not to look down. And Neil
was doing all the prep stuff and he kind of
caught a glimpse of the ground from up top.
Speaker 2 (16:20):
Oh no, and he was like, okay, I can't. I
can't get that out of my head.
Speaker 8 (16:24):
And he was just like yelling at the people who were,
you know, getting it ready to go and stuff. He
went and he did great. He only got locked up
once because he goes too fast. I bet you didn't
get locked up there.
Speaker 2 (16:35):
I didn't know.
Speaker 8 (16:36):
In fact, I was doing something that they told me
not to that I was holding on to the rope
and I had sort of a death grip on one
of the ropes, so it was actually slowing me down.
Speaker 2 (16:48):
They had I had extra breaks.
Speaker 1 (16:50):
Well, but you did it like a professional and yell
at anybody no, and yeah, that's our warrior.
Speaker 2 (16:57):
I scared. How much money did you say? Twenty six thousand?
Is that right? Yeah, that's amazing. We're up over twenty
six thousand. Now all for a Union rescue mission.
Speaker 6 (17:08):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 1 (17:14):
Khalil mack Hat left his phone on the plane and
the player's buses had since left. But the staff we
get on the bus and they're like, oh, we got
to wait while we search the plane for Khalil's phone,
and we're like, it's like fifteen minutes go by, twenty
minutes go by.
Speaker 2 (17:30):
We're like, what the heck, We'll buy Khalil Mack a
new phone. PS.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
This man has made like one hundred and ninety million
dollars in his career.
Speaker 2 (17:38):
He can get another one, get another phone. We need
to get home.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
But anyway, in this time, everyone's on their phones. No
Wi Fi on board, so everyone's like getting back and
see what's going on in the world seeing, you know,
watching the end of that game that ended in a tie.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Game should not end in a tie in the NFL.
Speaker 1 (17:56):
Come on, I mean, I know they had to do
something with the with the rules, but it's so unsatisfying,
especially a primetime game.
Speaker 3 (18:02):
Especially that many points. Yeah, that's I mean right, that's
the other thing.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
All of it. It was just so anti climactic.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But Daniel Jeremiah had the best line because the Bad
Bunny News broke Bad Bunny being the halftime show, which
all of America, I mean, if you had a hard
time with Kendrick Lamar, good luck. But Daniel had the
quote of the night when he said, it's like in
back to the future when Marty says, I guess you
guys aren't ready for that, but your kids are gonna
(18:29):
love it.
Speaker 2 (18:30):
To all of America. A couple of things going on.
Speaker 3 (18:34):
The White House says that Israel and Hamas are very
close to reaching an agreement on a framework deal to
end the war in Gaza. President Trump is talking about
this with Benjamin attin y'all who at.
Speaker 2 (18:45):
The White House today.
Speaker 3 (18:46):
President Trump is also expected to speak today with leaders
in caught her. There is a news conference going on
right now in Grand Blanc, Michigan, where that Marine veteran
pulled up to the.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
A truck to a.
Speaker 3 (19:02):
Chapel sorry in Grand blank Township, Michigan, set it on fire,
started shooting at worshipers, and then was killed by police.
As of right now, we know four people were killed,
eight others were wounded, but they are still searching through there.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Well.
Speaker 1 (19:17):
Donald Trump has really focused on deportations and now it
seems like the drug prosecutions have kind of taken a hit.
Federal drug prosecutions have dropped the lowest level in decades
while they shift their attention to immigration enforcement prosecutions, following
(19:39):
about ten percent this year compared to last year up
until this point.
Speaker 2 (19:44):
Yeah, which is a strange I mean it's not.
Speaker 3 (19:47):
On the one hand, there's probably a reaction of well,
we're deporting the bad guys, so we're not prosecuting. But
the other thing is we're not paying attention to the
drug prosecutions because we're paying attention to deporting bad guys
that might not have anything to do with drug cases.
Speaker 7 (20:01):
Right.
Speaker 1 (20:01):
We talked last week about how cocaine is back and
the leaders of the drug cartel families. There's the fentanyl family,
and then there's the cocaine family. It's the El Chapo
and the Sinaloa cartels and the agreements that they are making,
and it's all to funnel more drugs into the United States.
(20:25):
And they've been very successful in funneling cocaine specifically in
recent months.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
And that doesn't just happen.
Speaker 1 (20:33):
There's been a lack of focus on the drug infestation
of this country.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
The President did this right after he took office, but
this shift has produced they set a coast to coast
slow down in the types of investigations and prosecutions the
government has been working on, including the cartels, and focus
more on the quick hit immigration raids, interviews, court documents
(21:01):
have shown all of this. They claim the government does
that drug cartel products, which by the way, are drugs
killed more than eighty thousand people last year. That has
also I mean it's it's not separated completely. There are
clearly parts of the Venn diagram that overlap each other,
(21:23):
with immigration issues and drug trafficking coming into but also
human trafficking, et cetera. So it's not a clean break
a white house.
Speaker 2 (21:32):
Sorry.
Speaker 3 (21:32):
A Department of Justice spokesperson said the focus on immigration
and cartels is what is reducing drugs in communities, and
that the Department of Justice is targeting serious offenders and
these transnational cartels rather than raw case numbers. So yes,
the prosecutions may be down, but their argument basically is
because this is a I hate this term, but it's
(21:54):
a whole of government approach.
Speaker 1 (21:56):
But the raw case the cases that they're going after
are based on deportation and not drugs. They're doing their
deportation cases willy nilly. I mean, the guy at home
depot is not selling a kilo of cocaine on Saturday.
Speaker 2 (22:09):
I didn't see him. I mean, he may have.
Speaker 1 (22:12):
Very different circles that the people run in the drug
cartel people and the people being deported or singled out
to be deported.
Speaker 3 (22:22):
Let's chalk this up to being a good story. Yes,
it's born out of tragedy. But when Erica Kirk stood
in front of ninety thousand people at State Farm Stadium
and millions on television and forgave the man who shot
her husband, it brought up this issue of forgiveness and
whether you or I or anyone would be capable of
(22:46):
that in an instance like that.
Speaker 2 (22:49):
Well, what I.
Speaker 1 (22:50):
Said then and I've realized in life, is the case
is you're not forgiving them for them. It's not a
kindness that you're doing for the person who slaughtered your
family member. It's for you, because you don't want to
live with that in your heart and your being. It'll
make you sick if you live with that kind of hate.
(23:10):
If you don't forgive and you carry that around with you,
you're hurting yourself.
Speaker 2 (23:14):
You're not hurting them. They don't care.
Speaker 3 (23:17):
We'll talk about this a new case of somebody forgiving
after a very long time we come back.
Speaker 6 (23:23):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (23:30):
There are some concerns going into this NL Wildcard series.
When you think about the Cincinnati Reds, they've clinched their
first playoff berth in five years. Road teams have won
eight of twelve Wildcard series since the format change, so
(23:50):
gives the underdog red some hope. It's a best of
three format. They're hot, Yeah, they're hot. They're hot at
the right time.
Speaker 2 (24:00):
They've got some good starting pitching.
Speaker 3 (24:03):
You know, did you see, by the way Freddie Freeman
take Clayton Kershaw out of the game yesterday.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It's hot. Clayton Kershaw looks about one hundred and ten
he pitched in his final regular seasons.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
Oh my gosh, those are some hard fought wins, hard
fought pitches.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
My goodness.
Speaker 3 (24:25):
Well, not to and not to take Conway's the wind
out of his sales. That Dodgers Reds game is going
to be a six oh eight first pitch at Dodgers Stadium.
There are four wild Card series to be played tomorrow
starting tomorrow, Detroit and Cleveland at ten o'clock, San Diego,
Chicago Cubs at noon, and Boston New York at three,
(24:47):
And then, like I said, Dodgers Reds at six. That's
all day baseball tomorrow. So a little more than a
week ago, we saw the big, huge memorial service for
Charlie Kirk down in Arizona, and one of the well
arguably the most significant moment that was broadcast over and
(25:11):
over again was when Charlie Kirk's wife, Erica, forgave the
shooter young men.
Speaker 9 (25:24):
Just like the one who took his life.
Speaker 6 (25:43):
That young man, that young.
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Man on the cross, Our Savior said, Father, forgive them.
Speaker 9 (25:59):
For they not know what they do. That man, that
young man, I forgive him.
Speaker 3 (26:17):
The tens of thousands of people in the crowd applauded
that move by Erica Kirk. She said she forgave him
because it was what Christ did and it is what
Charlie would do.
Speaker 2 (26:30):
She said.
Speaker 3 (26:31):
The answer to hate is not hate. The answer we
know from the Gospel is love.
Speaker 1 (26:35):
Tim Allen, the actor, lost his father in a car
accident when he was just eleven years old, and Tim
Allen has been unable to forgive that drunk driver responsible.
His dad was a real estate agent, Gerald Dick was
his name, and he died in November nineteen sixty four
(26:56):
while driving with his wife and a car full of
kids home from a football game in Colorado. What happened
was a driver swerved into a median on the I seventy,
collided with his vehicle, Gerald Dick, their father, married, father
of many, broke his neck. Died in my mom's lap
right there, Tim Allen said, And inside the actors studio interview,
(27:20):
he said, as many times as I'd relive this, if
you haven't had a death in your family, I don't
suggest it, he said, but it certainly changes every single
thing from your cells in DNA, it turns a different color.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
He had this. Uh, I guess it's not unusual, but
an interesting reaction to it. He said. He hated November.
He hated November. He hated fall.
Speaker 1 (27:42):
Because everything would remind you of that, you know, the
changing colors, the colder temperatures. It would remind you of
that time when your whole family was ripped apart.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
He also said he had survivor's guild care.
Speaker 3 (27:53):
I guess he wasn't in the car at the time
of the accident, but he said, everything, every single thing
in my life changed and he knew the moment. I
knew the moment he was dead, that he was dead.
Speaker 1 (28:02):
So he takes to X and he's seventy two now,
Tim Allen wow, and he said that Erica Kirk's words
affected him profoundly and it helped him find within himself
to choose forgiveness.
Speaker 3 (28:19):
Tim Allen wrote, I have struggled for over sixty years
to forgive the man who killed my dad. I will
say those words now as I type. I forgive the
man who killed my father. That's see, that's an interesting
aspect of this because I don't know.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
You know, you can be angry at things like.
Speaker 3 (28:43):
You could be angry at things like cancer and accidents
or whatever. But to forgive the someone that kills your
loved one, you can't let them become you like. You
can't let the anger become you.
Speaker 1 (28:57):
If you're angry at cancer, you can't let that become
your identity who you are.
Speaker 2 (29:02):
You can't become an angry person can feel that way.
Speaker 1 (29:05):
I feel very angry about cancer that my wife was
taken from me. But if you become that anger, you're
not doing yourself any good.
Speaker 2 (29:14):
You're not I mean.
Speaker 1 (29:15):
And the same thing with the hate that you would
feel after somebody assassinates your young husband, the father of
your children, what good does that do? Erica Kirk walking
around with that. It's the forgiveness. Yes, it's what Christ
would have done. But also it's good for you to
rid yourself of that kind of bad feeling.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Yeah, And I wonder if there's more of that. I
don't know if, I mean if.
Speaker 3 (29:42):
Obviously Tim Allen is a guy, because he's Tim Allen
and you know his name, right, But I wonder how
many people other people saw her forgiveness and took that
to her.
Speaker 1 (29:52):
Do you think I'm happy sitting with you every day
for four hours? No, but I don't carry that around
with me.
Speaker 2 (29:59):
I forgive you.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Kill me if I carried it around, that feeling and
I just feel it and acknowledge it and let it go.
Speaker 2 (30:06):
I'll forgive you again. All right again? What are you
forgiving me? For all of it? Just you don't get what.
I'll show you something forgive me for.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
We do have terror in the Skuys Coming up a
little bit later later, steroids are turning guys gay. Now,
Oh you haven't seen that? No, yeah, there's that. The
Rancho Palace Vertics is slipping into the ocean.
Speaker 1 (30:31):
I think the ship had sailed on the turning X
Y or Z turns people gay.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
I thought that was. We don't know. That's not a
thing that was.
Speaker 3 (30:39):
That's why you're going to have to listen. Ah, Gary
and Shannon will continue right after this. You've been listening
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