December 15, 2025 • 30 mins
Gary and Shannon examine a foiled terror plot in Los Angeles and what it reveals about ongoing security threats. Guest Jessica Steinman of No Matter What Recovery L.A. joins the conversation to discuss the growing mental health challenges facing children and teens. Plus, listeners weigh in during Talk Backs as parents share the difficult realities of navigating relationships with their adult children.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
A M six forty, The Gary and Shannon Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio app. We just went on a
hunt for our elves, and I will just say this,
this is the best childhood ever. No child that finds
their elves is finding what we are finding. I can't
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even I can't even talk about what we found that
the elves were up to, but this was next level.
There's gonna be probably a conversation we're going to have
to have with them at some point with the elves.
With the elves, I'm going to know they're their own elves.
But like I think what we found today warrants probably.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
A little bit of a dialogue.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I don't want to go to the intervention level, but
a dialogue just to get things going.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It was like Amsterdam over here.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Are obviously, so we'll post it at Gary and Shannon
Week on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
We will be continuing coverage, of course, of Rob Reiner
and his wife Michelle having been found dead yesterday and
apparently it was at the hands of their own son.
The son has been arrested and is being held on
four million dollars bail. If we do get more information
outside of what we've known already, will definitely bring it
to you. And if there is a news conference and update,
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we will bring that to you as well.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
We're also efforting to get mental health expert, an addiction
expert as well to kind of provide some context to
spell some myths, explain how long term substance abuse is evaluated.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You know, what is a propensity for violence or.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Any sort of eventual tragedy to happen, How that all works,
What is taken into consideration when somebody does get treatment,
Like we know that he did get treatment, so we'll
talk to her about that.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
It's eleven, It's time for swamp watch. I'm a politician,
which means I'm a cheat. And when I'm not kissing babies,
I'm stealing that lollipop here.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
We got the real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
So what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 6 (02:12):
So that now you train the.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Squad, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened
by what has been.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
You know, Americans have always been going as they're not scrupid.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
A political plunder is what a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Whether people voted for you werena swap watch, they're all counternois.
Speaker 8 (02:29):
Well.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
US Attorney General Pambondi was the one who made the
announcement this morning on Twitter that four people are now
facing criminal charges in connection with what she described as
a foiled bomb plot that contemplated multiple targets here in
Los Angeles to be carried out on New Year's Eve.
First assisting US Attorney Bill Assale made the announcements at
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the news conference this morning.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
The defendants are all radical anti government members of the
Turtle Island Liberation Front, which, according to their own social
is an anti capitalist, anti government movement that calls for
their associates to rise up and fight back against.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Capitalism as far as there are potential targets.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
The charges we are announcing today stem from the defendants
and their co conspirators detailed coordinated plot to bomb multiple US.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Companies on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Thankfully, that plot has now been foiled thanks to the
hard work of the FBI and the Department of Justice.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
And he also announced that it was just Friday, just
a couple of days ago, that they were eventually picked
up out in the desert while they were getting ready
to it looks like build the bombs that would be used.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
In preparation for the plan, the co conspirators purchased multiple
pieces of bomb making materials and discuss their travel plans
to the desert. Last Friday, December twelfth, the defendants took
a six significant step to carry out their plans. They
traveled to the remote campsite which you're going to see
some video of in the desert, and they began unloading
their bomb making materials to assemble and test the bombs.
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They had everything they needed to make an operational bomb
at that location, and they were subsequently arrested by the
FBI before they could build a functional explosive device.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
None of these people looked, that's the word saying.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I did not see the mugshots.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Now, the whole Turtle Island thing is a name for
either Earth or North America. There was, I guess legend
that some American indigenous peoples used the oral histories of
how North America was put together by the gods or
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something like that, and that it was built on the the.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Backs of turtles.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
There was an old story, and I'm going I'm gonna
mess it up a Lenape story of the Great Turtle,
first recorded by Europeans in the seventeenth century, shared by
Woodland tribes. They believe that before creation, there was nothing,
and in the emptiness there existed a spirit of the Creator,
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and in that emptiness he fell asleep. When he sleptam
he dreamt of the earth as we know it today,
and then he created the earth as.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
He dreamt it.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
And one of the things that they did was he
used the backs of giant turtles to make North America.
I mean, that's where they get the name from. I
don't know how often they reiterate the story or whatever
or what that has to do with anti capitalism or
free Palestine, but that's what that's what they're doing. So
(05:47):
I think all of them in their thirties and forties
age wise.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
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Speaker 4 (05:58):
There's a ton one of stuff going on today. I
was just watching some of the other video that came
out of Bondai Beach in Australia. Police say they expect
to bring criminal charges against the younger of the two gunmen,
the fifty year old and a twenty four year old
apparently father and son terrorists who shot up this beach,
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Bondai Beach, on that first day of Hanukkah. The twenty
four year old was shot and put into a coma.
Fifteen people were killed. The authority said they found evidence
that the attack was carried out by this father and
son an act of terrorism. They haven't gotten into specific
details and are being somewhat close to the vest when
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it comes to the ideology or the exact motive why
they were able to choose that specific area to target.
But the father was the one who was shot and killed.
The son apparently shot and is said to be in
a coma.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Coming up next, we will be talking to a mental
health and addiction expert about the issues that are rise
when you have an adult child like Rob Reiner and
Michelle Reiner did, who had addiction issues, mental health issues,
How how substance abuse can turn violent like that when
couple of mental health issues. All of those things that
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that somebody has actually studied and can bring us some
insight into about that horrific tragedy over the weekend, all
in the family.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh God, that I did not do that on purpose.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
But when you have something like that, and you know,
my initial and my initial thought was when you found
out Rob Reiner's wife were dead, there's a murder, right,
but who you know? And you're thinking, you know, it's
Brentwood and there's a lot of money. It's the whole
Did somebody come in?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Is it? Is it between Rob Reiner and his wife?
Speaker 6 (07:42):
What?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
You didn't think it was a son? You know, you
don't your head doesn't go. We're not built for our
heads to go. It's a child that kills their parenticide
or whatever they call it. It's always shocking. It's just
like when a parent kills her child. It's just patricide. Yeah,
it's just it's just not supposed to happen. It seems
like it goes against the grain of everything that we are.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So TMZ obviously has been a font of information about
this ever since it happened yesterday, and they've been right
on everything so far. Rob Reiner and his wife and
their son were apparently at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party on
Saturday night, and some the TMZ credits what they say
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are family sources.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Reiner family sources.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Don't know if that means somebody who's in the family
somebody who knows the family. But they said that these
sources have told TMZ that at the party, Rob and
his son got into a very loud argument, loud enough
for other people to hear, and that Rob and Michelle
then left the party. As for what happened to Nick,
they don't know exactly what came of it.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
They I guess.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Also that Michelle had been very upset and had said
as much to friends about that feeling of that helplessness,
that for years Nick was or is thirty two and
at fifteen was his first stint with rehab, that he's
been struggling with this for a very very long time,
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and that over the last few months she and Rob
had apparently said that they were at wits end when
it comes to Nick's mental illness and the substance abuse issues,
and didn't know what to do and said, quote, we've
tried everything there are I think I think probably all
of us know people who have adult kids who fit
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this mold, and despite everybody's best efforts, we have an acquaintance,
my family has an acquaintance where this very very specific
issue like this played out where you are in a
position and when we talked to doctor Wendy. Earlier in
the show, she was saying, it's an awful decision for
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a parent to have to make of you have somebody
who's either addicted or dealing with a mental illness, or
using the addiction, becomes addicted while trying to treat their
own mental illness kind of thing, can't take care of themselves,
can't hold a job, can't do the things that would
be required. And you, as a parent, your gut instinct
is to protect, keep shelter whatever you can do to
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allow them to heal, if that's what they're going to do.
But in some cases like this and the one that
we know of, there were physical threats that were made,
and at that point you have to determine if there
are other siblings in the house, if there are other
people in the house, where you even begin the process
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of either coming to the conclusion that you can't have them,
you can't shelter them anymore, or having them arrested for
a threat or something like that. I mean that there's
very few options when it comes to dealing with a
mental illness in an adult child like that.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, and I don't know what I'm talking about. I've
never been a parent. But I know myself enough to
know that I would have a constant struggle of yeah, yeah, yeah,
hear it. You know, you've got to shut them out.
You got to let them fail, You've got you've done
what you can, and now you've got to let them
figure it out, let.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It run its course. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But how do I know that my kid's not the
one that would respond better to me putting her or
him in my house and me controlling the situation. And
I can it's my kid, and I'm going to figure
this out and just trying I don't want to say micromanaging,
but trying to have control over a completely uncontrollable situation.
Speaker 9 (11:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You know, it's like that's got to be the hardest thing,
shutting your door on your kid who you know is
in addiction or mental health issues, you know, if that's
the advice or what have you.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I mean, that has got to be awful. When we've
talked about this before, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Enough for me to think about new parents letting kids
cry it out.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
How hard that is.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
This is the grown up example.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
This is a great Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It's like everything that you're built for when you have
kids is for that child it's in every part of
your body.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
You feel that pain.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I would imagine that your kid, even when they're crying
in their crib, is feeling You're feeling that too. So
when you have a grown child who's going through that
and you can't fix it, my god, I can't even
imagine it.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
There was a quote, and again I've I've credited it
to Heraldo Rivera because he was the first one I
saw say it. It's not his quote, and I don't
know where it came from. But a parent can never
be happier than their unhappiest child. Yeah, regardless of how
old you are regard I mean, it's just that's just
the way it is. You can never be happier than
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your unhappiest child. And if they, I mean some people have,
you know, leave it to Beaver families. Like everybody's great,
everybody's doing fine, everybody's got a college degree.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Everybody never met a family that was completely perfect, Like
there is always a concern.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Even my dad was a chronic worrier.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Even when my brother and I were happy, he would
come up with worries that I didn't even.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Know I had.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
You know, I worry about you.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He'd worry about, you know, my retirement when I was
twenty two. But you know, that's the part of being
a parent. You're always worrying about your kids, even when
there's nothing to worry about.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Well, and as Wendy said, well, I was going to
say this when we've talked about it before, people have
said that they could not they could not get the
help they needed until they reached rock bottom.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
The problem as a parent is that's hard to watch.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Great point. And you I mean the idea that some
bottoms are very rough.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And if that is not something that you came from,
if it's not a life that you lived, if it's
new to your family, whatever, that's awful. That is an
awful Some people just can't do it. Yeah, And that
means they never give up. They never kick their kid out,
they never do this, they never do that, and the
kid never reaches the point where they have to where
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they have to either get treatment, get help whatever, you
see a doctor, whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
But in terms of like keeping that kid in your home,
it's like, well, at least I'm keeping them safe.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I know where they are.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
That's what the feeling is.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, all right, we will talk to an expert on
this when we come back.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Tough, Monday, December fifteenth.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It is tough.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
We just got a message from one of our guest
family members. We just went through this with our son
unfortunately passed away due to a fentanyl overdose addiction kicked
in when who was fifteen. Could not keep them in
our circle to protect our remaining family. And she writes
something very accurate. She says, it's absolutely horrifying, emotionally debilitating
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as a parent. There isn't a word for this level
of devastation, Amen, because all the words seem so hollow
when you think about what happened to the Reiner family.
Of course, the news that Rob and Michelle Reiner stabbed
death killed by their son Nick, who had been in
public about his mental illness and substance abuse issues through
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the years.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
That began he said when he was fifteen.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
So a long history is substance abuse, and that can
be incredibly bad, not just obviously for behavioral reasons, but
just brain chemistry itself. Joining us to talk about this
is Jessica Steinman of No Matter what Recovery in Los
Angeles here in town to talk about some of these issues.
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And Jessica, first of all, thanks for taking time for
us today.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Yes, thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Let's discuss I mean, we know the specifics of this
thing are going to be kind of off limits because
you don't know Nick and Rob, et cetera. But the
issues surrounding adult children who are struggling with mental illness
and sometimes addiction. On top of that, what can family do?
What resources are available to somebody dealing with.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
This, Well, you know, it's a complicated thing to look at,
and obviously addiction gets a big spotlight when things like
this can happen. And the positives that we get to
at least talk about addiction and mental health. You know,
with families, family addiction is a family disease and what
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that means. That's a phrase that we use a lot
in the recovery world. It affects everyone who's involved with
someone who struggles with mental health and addiction. Families being
contributing to people's therapy, getting involved with people's therapy or
work if they're in a recovery program and a rehab
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that's been really important. But also families need to learn
how to get help for themselves by speaking their own
individual therapy and setting boundaries with someone with mental health
and addiction. And that's going to be tough on a
family dynamic as well.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, that is one of the things. Take care of yourself.
I know that's a big thing for alan On is
to you know, definitely, you know, you can only control
so much, which is really nothing what's going on with
other people.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
But that just I feel like that's really tough. It's
really hard.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's one thing if it's a spouse or something that
has an addiction issue, but when it's your child, how
does that complicate matters in terms of helping yourself when
you're obsessed and you know, biologically obsessed with protecting this person.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
That's a great question. You know, we no matter what recovery,
we have a family group that we have weekly for
families and loved ones. And that's a question that comes
up all the time. How do you tell me not
to care or how do you tell me not to
be involved? This is my child, you know, I'm from
the moment they were born, I'm going to worry about them.
I'm going to be scared for them. And the thing
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is is that it's about knowing what you're able to
control and fix or help with and what you can't.
And unfortunately, with addiction, when someone has an addiction taking
over their lives, taking over their brains, they won't listen.
They're not going to change just because a parent or
a loved one is saying please stop or you know,
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go to this rehab. And so there are limitations that
a parent can put in place. So do I tell
parents to cut off people completely. No, necessarily, because we
want them to be able to get help. So, for instance,
if someone's under the age of twenty six, let them
stay on your insurance plan and try and get help
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with rehab or treatment or therapy, possibly contributing to a
cell phone plan, so at least they have a cell
phone to try and get help. But financially, there're going
to be some boundaries, right because we want to make
sure that we're not financially contributing for someone to be
able to purchase the drugs or purchase things that are
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going to be unhealthy for them. So it's a back
and forth of how you can protect them but protect
them with limitations. And that's why support groups and therapy
and guidance from specialists are going to be really helpful
with learning what boundaries those are.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
But outside of that, there's not really a lot that
can be done. Right. I mean, legally, you're not going
to be able.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
To force anybody into treatment, force anybody into rehab, force
anybody into therapy.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
And I think that's part of a parent's struggle. And
the problem is that you want to be able to
say no, you have to go do this, and it's
what's best for you, go now. And someone over the
age of eighteen can leave when they want, doesn't have
to listen, can stop contact. So it's aligning a dance.
It's a dance of how do I keep them in
touch with me, make sure they're okay, but also not
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enable them And so it's showing love and support without
having to have some kind of authority over them and
again letting people try and help the best they can
with rehab and specialists we know at treatment centers like
no matter what, how to help them where we're going
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to be able to guide them, staying in touch with
them if they were to relapse, having their location on
your phone at least make sure they're safe. A parent
maybe shouldn't do that, but a treatment center can, and
being able to have the other people.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It seems like I think you said dance, Yeah, a
constant balancing act from day to day at times in
terms of well, when you're dealing with somebody in the
throes of addiction or mental health, you kind of never
know what you're going to get, and every day could
be different in terms of what your kid needs in
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that specific space or that situation, or that day could
be very different what they need in a week from
now or a month from now. Is it just constant
recalibration of the situation, involving, like you said, the entire family.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Yeah, And I think what's really important. Recalibrating is a
great way to look at it. But also, you know,
being open and flexible with what's going to come at you,
but not wavering. So the addict is going to especially
when they're in the furrows of their addiction and possibly
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not in any sense recovery or off their medications and
things like that. You want to stand firm in what
kind of boundaries and needs you may have as a
family or you have as a parent, because anything can
come at you and shift. But as long as you
can stay consistent. That's going to and actually throttle the addict.
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They're actually not used to someone staying focused and consistent
and grounded in a decision like I'm only willing to
do X, Y and Z for you. So because again,
when an addict is in the throes of addiction, they're
going to manipulate, strategize, do whatever they can to try
and get what they need. And what they need might
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be a drug. What they need might be money to
go get that drug or to go have that addiction.
So when a parent or a loved one is talked
into or manipulated to give in a little bit, then
the addict's going to think that they can maneuver and
get whatever they want when they want. So it's really
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about staying grounded and staying consistent and staying as a
united front as a whole family. So again there's also
no splitting between family members, which can happen.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
All of it sounds awful, you probably, I mean, in
your line of work, you have to deal with some
of the worst circumstances that people find themselves out.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Absolutely, I've unfortunately in my field is working in treatment
centers for many years, especially with the sentinel epidemic. I've
called family members myself. I've met the corners myself, because
I have a firm belief I'd rather a family member
here from a loving person like a therapist or a
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clinical director who knew their child and who loved their child,
then a corner or a police officer. So yes, I've
had to have those conversations with loved ones, and it
doesn't gets easier. And it's hearing about just the continuation
of addiction, especially with drugs and alcohol taking over just
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everywhere and in the news stories in every city. It's
it's devastating and how it can affect families of devastating.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Sorry, Jessica, I just got in your experience, are there.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I'm assuming that you've talked with parents who know there
is a chance their child could be violent or could
have some sort of break and uh, and I bet
it doesn't even change the way that they are handling
the situation that the you know, the love for the
kid overrides shielding themselves from any kind of violent episode. Unfortunately, Yeah,
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I think that you.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
I think a lot of parents, especially but all loved ones, don't.
They can't truly imagine that that could happen, So their
child getting violent with them or getting violent with the
you want to think that that can't happen, but especially
with mental health issues, especially drug induced mental health issues,
anything is possible, and it's hard to know how someone
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will act and react, and so parents and all loved
ones need to be cautious if they know, especially if
you know loved one is maybe not on their medications
or have had relapses. You want to be careful because
we don't know how long they've been using the drug
or how long they've been without the medications, and absolutely
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can turn violent or absolutely could turn into a psychotic
break of sorts, and that's hard hard to navigate, and
so you want to stay guarded and protected as best
as possible.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Well, Jessica has some great insights into a tough story.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Thanks for your time today, Thank you very much. You've
got Jessica.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Steinman there again, licensed Marriage and Family Therapists from No
Matter What Recovery here in LA.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
There's we all go online for resources for all kinds
of stuff. We're talking about the apparent murder of or
I should say, the murder of Rob Reiner and his
wife Michelle, apparently by their son after a couple decades
just about of mental health and addiction issues that Nick
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Reiner had. They were found by their daughter who apparently
lives across the street there in Brentwood. And you can
imagine that it is difficult for any situation like this
is difficult. Any situation that ends in violence is that
much more difficult, And it's hard to actually figure out
even kind of wrapping your head around some of this
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for other people and putting yourself in their shoes of
someone who's had to deal with this, a parent who
has an adult child with mental health or addiction issues.
And there's a lot of people out there who have
shared stories with us on the talk back for example,
of situations in their life they kind.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Of echo this.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
This story is heartbreaking for personal reasons. We have a nephew,
my husband's brother's son who was going through the same
almost almost just sounds so similar situation over the years
and not a rehab. Parents doing tough love. Well, when
they finally decided to regie the tough love, he ended
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up oding on heroin. So they lost their sons. So
that's the kind of stuff these parents surface.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Listen, if you're dealing with something like that, how could
that not be part of your calculus? Of course, I
mean you have to. That's all that's going to be
in the back of your head.
Speaker 10 (27:49):
Hey, Gary Shin In reference to having a son who
has some addiction problems and maybe mentally ill problems, there's
a lot of parents out there dealing with that whose
kids poor. Not will pull my eyes on them like
my son has done before, And it's always in the
back of your mind that one day they might come
and kill you. And it's just something you live with.
It's just knowing. And for a lot of people know
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what I'm talking about.
Speaker 9 (28:13):
Yeah, Well, Shannon, addiction is a serious disease, like any
other disease. I went through it with my sister. Her
addiction was horrible. My mother threw her out on the street.
She was out there for over a year. I couldn't
take it any longer. I saved your life. She's thirteen
years sobern out and I got to tell you, it
was so hard. We went through hell. She went death
(28:35):
from vicodin but has a cochlear implant. So many bad
things happened but I did it. I totally saved her good.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
That's funny. It takes a lot of energy and effort.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And well, and even with all the energy and effort
in the world, sometimes it doesn't work out that way.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So that's wonderful. She's got to be able to want
to change too. Yeah, you're never going to force that on.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
I think it's time we move away from the term
adult children maybe adult people. I know I've got adult
people in my family that have parents, and those adult
people have mental health and drug addiction. I think when
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we refer to them as adult children, it makes it
even harder.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Well to cut the tie.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That's what they are.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
They're always your children, even when they're forty five.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I think I understand her her.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Point that by using the term child, it's you're accentuating
the dynamic between a parent and a child, but you're
envisioned a parent and a small child as opposed to
a parent and a family.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
My mom still calls me baby, and where's the baby.
I'm not even a child yet in my home.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Sounds like you're over it though.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
It makes me feel young.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
All right, baby, who's baby?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I'm not even baby babe, not a baby baby.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Not a baby mom.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
All right, and when we come back, we will get
you caught up on everything everyone's talking about. A lot
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It's right in the middle there. I think we're in
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This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
A M six forty, The Gary and Shannon Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio app. We just went on a
hunt for our elves, and I will just say this,
this is the best childhood ever. No child that finds
their elves is finding what we are finding. I can't
(00:22):
even I can't even talk about what we found that
the elves were up to, but this was next level.
There's gonna be probably a conversation we're going to have
to have with them at some point with the elves.
With the elves, I'm going to know they're their own elves.
But like I think what we found today warrants probably.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
A little bit of a dialogue.
Speaker 1 (00:45):
I don't want to go to the intervention level, but
a dialogue just to get things going.
Speaker 3 (00:49):
Okay.
Speaker 2 (00:50):
It was like Amsterdam over here.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Are obviously, so we'll post it at Gary and Shannon
Week on Instagram.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (01:01):
We will be continuing coverage, of course, of Rob Reiner
and his wife Michelle having been found dead yesterday and
apparently it was at the hands of their own son.
The son has been arrested and is being held on
four million dollars bail. If we do get more information
outside of what we've known already, will definitely bring it
to you. And if there is a news conference and update,
(01:22):
we will bring that to you as well.
Speaker 1 (01:24):
We're also efforting to get mental health expert, an addiction
expert as well to kind of provide some context to
spell some myths, explain how long term substance abuse is evaluated.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
You know, what is a propensity for violence or.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
Any sort of eventual tragedy to happen, How that all works,
What is taken into consideration when somebody does get treatment,
Like we know that he did get treatment, so we'll
talk to her about that.
Speaker 3 (01:55):
It's eleven, It's time for swamp watch. I'm a politician,
which means I'm a cheat. And when I'm not kissing babies,
I'm stealing that lollipop here.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
We got the real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 2 (02:07):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 5 (02:08):
So what I'm not going anywhere?
Speaker 6 (02:12):
So that now you train the.
Speaker 3 (02:14):
Squad, I can imagine what can be and be unburdened
by what has been.
Speaker 7 (02:17):
You know, Americans have always been going as they're not scrupid.
Speaker 4 (02:22):
A political plunder is what a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 6 (02:24):
Whether people voted for you werena swap watch, they're all counternois.
Speaker 8 (02:29):
Well.
Speaker 4 (02:29):
US Attorney General Pambondi was the one who made the
announcement this morning on Twitter that four people are now
facing criminal charges in connection with what she described as
a foiled bomb plot that contemplated multiple targets here in
Los Angeles to be carried out on New Year's Eve.
First assisting US Attorney Bill Assale made the announcements at
(02:51):
the news conference this morning.
Speaker 5 (02:52):
The defendants are all radical anti government members of the
Turtle Island Liberation Front, which, according to their own social
is an anti capitalist, anti government movement that calls for
their associates to rise up and fight back against.
Speaker 4 (03:08):
Capitalism as far as there are potential targets.
Speaker 5 (03:11):
The charges we are announcing today stem from the defendants
and their co conspirators detailed coordinated plot to bomb multiple US.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
Companies on New Year's Eve.
Speaker 5 (03:22):
Thankfully, that plot has now been foiled thanks to the
hard work of the FBI and the Department of Justice.
Speaker 4 (03:28):
And he also announced that it was just Friday, just
a couple of days ago, that they were eventually picked
up out in the desert while they were getting ready
to it looks like build the bombs that would be used.
Speaker 5 (03:40):
In preparation for the plan, the co conspirators purchased multiple
pieces of bomb making materials and discuss their travel plans
to the desert. Last Friday, December twelfth, the defendants took
a six significant step to carry out their plans. They
traveled to the remote campsite which you're going to see
some video of in the desert, and they began unloading
their bomb making materials to assemble and test the bombs.
(04:02):
They had everything they needed to make an operational bomb
at that location, and they were subsequently arrested by the
FBI before they could build a functional explosive device.
Speaker 3 (04:14):
None of these people looked, that's the word saying.
Speaker 2 (04:21):
I did not see the mugshots.
Speaker 4 (04:25):
Now, the whole Turtle Island thing is a name for
either Earth or North America. There was, I guess legend
that some American indigenous peoples used the oral histories of
how North America was put together by the gods or
(04:47):
something like that, and that it was built on the the.
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Backs of turtles.
Speaker 4 (04:55):
There was an old story, and I'm going I'm gonna
mess it up a Lenape story of the Great Turtle,
first recorded by Europeans in the seventeenth century, shared by
Woodland tribes. They believe that before creation, there was nothing,
and in the emptiness there existed a spirit of the Creator,
(05:16):
and in that emptiness he fell asleep. When he sleptam
he dreamt of the earth as we know it today,
and then he created the earth as.
Speaker 3 (05:23):
He dreamt it.
Speaker 4 (05:25):
And one of the things that they did was he
used the backs of giant turtles to make North America.
I mean, that's where they get the name from. I
don't know how often they reiterate the story or whatever
or what that has to do with anti capitalism or
free Palestine, but that's what that's what they're doing. So
(05:47):
I think all of them in their thirties and forties
age wise.
Speaker 8 (05:52):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (05:58):
There's a ton one of stuff going on today. I
was just watching some of the other video that came
out of Bondai Beach in Australia. Police say they expect
to bring criminal charges against the younger of the two gunmen,
the fifty year old and a twenty four year old
apparently father and son terrorists who shot up this beach,
(06:18):
Bondai Beach, on that first day of Hanukkah. The twenty
four year old was shot and put into a coma.
Fifteen people were killed. The authority said they found evidence
that the attack was carried out by this father and
son an act of terrorism. They haven't gotten into specific
details and are being somewhat close to the vest when
(06:41):
it comes to the ideology or the exact motive why
they were able to choose that specific area to target.
But the father was the one who was shot and killed.
The son apparently shot and is said to be in
a coma.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
Coming up next, we will be talking to a mental
health and addiction expert about the issues that are rise
when you have an adult child like Rob Reiner and
Michelle Reiner did, who had addiction issues, mental health issues,
How how substance abuse can turn violent like that when
couple of mental health issues. All of those things that
(07:15):
that somebody has actually studied and can bring us some
insight into about that horrific tragedy over the weekend, all
in the family.
Speaker 2 (07:22):
Oh God, that I did not do that on purpose.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
But when you have something like that, and you know,
my initial and my initial thought was when you found
out Rob Reiner's wife were dead, there's a murder, right,
but who you know? And you're thinking, you know, it's
Brentwood and there's a lot of money. It's the whole
Did somebody come in?
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Is it? Is it between Rob Reiner and his wife?
Speaker 6 (07:42):
What?
Speaker 1 (07:42):
You didn't think it was a son? You know, you
don't your head doesn't go. We're not built for our
heads to go. It's a child that kills their parenticide
or whatever they call it. It's always shocking. It's just
like when a parent kills her child. It's just patricide. Yeah,
it's just it's just not supposed to happen. It seems
like it goes against the grain of everything that we are.
Speaker 4 (08:01):
So TMZ obviously has been a font of information about
this ever since it happened yesterday, and they've been right
on everything so far. Rob Reiner and his wife and
their son were apparently at Conan O'Brien's Christmas party on
Saturday night, and some the TMZ credits what they say
(08:23):
are family sources.
Speaker 3 (08:24):
Reiner family sources.
Speaker 4 (08:26):
Don't know if that means somebody who's in the family
somebody who knows the family. But they said that these
sources have told TMZ that at the party, Rob and
his son got into a very loud argument, loud enough
for other people to hear, and that Rob and Michelle
then left the party. As for what happened to Nick,
they don't know exactly what came of it.
Speaker 3 (08:48):
They I guess.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Also that Michelle had been very upset and had said
as much to friends about that feeling of that helplessness,
that for years Nick was or is thirty two and
at fifteen was his first stint with rehab, that he's
been struggling with this for a very very long time,
(09:10):
and that over the last few months she and Rob
had apparently said that they were at wits end when
it comes to Nick's mental illness and the substance abuse issues,
and didn't know what to do and said, quote, we've
tried everything there are I think I think probably all
of us know people who have adult kids who fit
(09:33):
this mold, and despite everybody's best efforts, we have an acquaintance,
my family has an acquaintance where this very very specific
issue like this played out where you are in a
position and when we talked to doctor Wendy. Earlier in
the show, she was saying, it's an awful decision for
(09:56):
a parent to have to make of you have somebody
who's either addicted or dealing with a mental illness, or
using the addiction, becomes addicted while trying to treat their
own mental illness kind of thing, can't take care of themselves,
can't hold a job, can't do the things that would
be required. And you, as a parent, your gut instinct
is to protect, keep shelter whatever you can do to
(10:20):
allow them to heal, if that's what they're going to do.
But in some cases like this and the one that
we know of, there were physical threats that were made,
and at that point you have to determine if there
are other siblings in the house, if there are other
people in the house, where you even begin the process
(10:42):
of either coming to the conclusion that you can't have them,
you can't shelter them anymore, or having them arrested for
a threat or something like that. I mean that there's
very few options when it comes to dealing with a
mental illness in an adult child like that.
Speaker 1 (11:04):
Yeah, and I don't know what I'm talking about. I've
never been a parent. But I know myself enough to
know that I would have a constant struggle of yeah, yeah, yeah,
hear it. You know, you've got to shut them out.
You got to let them fail, You've got you've done
what you can, and now you've got to let them
figure it out, let.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
It run its course. Whatever.
Speaker 1 (11:22):
But how do I know that my kid's not the
one that would respond better to me putting her or
him in my house and me controlling the situation. And
I can it's my kid, and I'm going to figure
this out and just trying I don't want to say micromanaging,
but trying to have control over a completely uncontrollable situation.
Speaker 9 (11:41):
Right.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
You know, it's like that's got to be the hardest thing,
shutting your door on your kid who you know is
in addiction or mental health issues, you know, if that's
the advice or what have you.
Speaker 4 (11:53):
I mean, that has got to be awful. When we've
talked about this before, it's hard.
Speaker 1 (11:59):
Enough for me to think about new parents letting kids
cry it out.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
How hard that is.
Speaker 3 (12:04):
This is the grown up example.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
This is a great Yeah.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
It's like everything that you're built for when you have
kids is for that child it's in every part of
your body.
Speaker 2 (12:15):
You feel that pain.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I would imagine that your kid, even when they're crying
in their crib, is feeling You're feeling that too. So
when you have a grown child who's going through that
and you can't fix it, my god, I can't even
imagine it.
Speaker 4 (12:30):
There was a quote, and again I've I've credited it
to Heraldo Rivera because he was the first one I
saw say it. It's not his quote, and I don't
know where it came from. But a parent can never
be happier than their unhappiest child. Yeah, regardless of how
old you are regard I mean, it's just that's just
the way it is. You can never be happier than
(12:52):
your unhappiest child. And if they, I mean some people have,
you know, leave it to Beaver families. Like everybody's great,
everybody's doing fine, everybody's got a college degree.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
Everybody never met a family that was completely perfect, Like
there is always a concern.
Speaker 2 (13:10):
Even my dad was a chronic worrier.
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Even when my brother and I were happy, he would
come up with worries that I didn't even.
Speaker 2 (13:17):
Know I had.
Speaker 3 (13:18):
You know, I worry about you.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
He'd worry about, you know, my retirement when I was
twenty two. But you know, that's the part of being
a parent. You're always worrying about your kids, even when
there's nothing to worry about.
Speaker 4 (13:30):
Well, and as Wendy said, well, I was going to
say this when we've talked about it before, people have
said that they could not they could not get the
help they needed until they reached rock bottom.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (13:43):
The problem as a parent is that's hard to watch.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Great point. And you I mean the idea that some
bottoms are very rough.
Speaker 3 (13:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (13:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
And if that is not something that you came from,
if it's not a life that you lived, if it's
new to your family, whatever, that's awful. That is an
awful Some people just can't do it. Yeah, And that
means they never give up. They never kick their kid out,
they never do this, they never do that, and the
kid never reaches the point where they have to where
(14:18):
they have to either get treatment, get help whatever, you
see a doctor, whatever.
Speaker 1 (14:24):
But in terms of like keeping that kid in your home,
it's like, well, at least I'm keeping them safe.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
I know where they are.
Speaker 3 (14:28):
That's what the feeling is.
Speaker 1 (14:30):
Yeah, all right, we will talk to an expert on
this when we come back.
Speaker 8 (14:36):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Tough, Monday, December fifteenth.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
It is tough.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
We just got a message from one of our guest
family members. We just went through this with our son
unfortunately passed away due to a fentanyl overdose addiction kicked
in when who was fifteen. Could not keep them in
our circle to protect our remaining family. And she writes
something very accurate. She says, it's absolutely horrifying, emotionally debilitating
(15:11):
as a parent. There isn't a word for this level
of devastation, Amen, because all the words seem so hollow
when you think about what happened to the Reiner family.
Of course, the news that Rob and Michelle Reiner stabbed
death killed by their son Nick, who had been in
public about his mental illness and substance abuse issues through
(15:31):
the years.
Speaker 2 (15:32):
That began he said when he was fifteen.
Speaker 4 (15:36):
So a long history is substance abuse, and that can
be incredibly bad, not just obviously for behavioral reasons, but
just brain chemistry itself. Joining us to talk about this
is Jessica Steinman of No Matter what Recovery in Los
Angeles here in town to talk about some of these issues.
(15:56):
And Jessica, first of all, thanks for taking time for
us today.
Speaker 6 (16:00):
Yes, thank you for having me.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Let's discuss I mean, we know the specifics of this
thing are going to be kind of off limits because
you don't know Nick and Rob, et cetera. But the
issues surrounding adult children who are struggling with mental illness
and sometimes addiction. On top of that, what can family do?
What resources are available to somebody dealing with.
Speaker 6 (16:26):
This, Well, you know, it's a complicated thing to look at,
and obviously addiction gets a big spotlight when things like
this can happen. And the positives that we get to
at least talk about addiction and mental health. You know,
with families, family addiction is a family disease and what
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that means. That's a phrase that we use a lot
in the recovery world. It affects everyone who's involved with
someone who struggles with mental health and addiction. Families being
contributing to people's therapy, getting involved with people's therapy or
work if they're in a recovery program and a rehab
(17:12):
that's been really important. But also families need to learn
how to get help for themselves by speaking their own
individual therapy and setting boundaries with someone with mental health
and addiction. And that's going to be tough on a
family dynamic as well.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
Yeah, that is one of the things. Take care of yourself.
I know that's a big thing for alan On is
to you know, definitely, you know, you can only control
so much, which is really nothing what's going on with
other people.
Speaker 2 (17:42):
But that just I feel like that's really tough. It's
really hard.
Speaker 1 (17:46):
It's one thing if it's a spouse or something that
has an addiction issue, but when it's your child, how
does that complicate matters in terms of helping yourself when
you're obsessed and you know, biologically obsessed with protecting this person.
Speaker 6 (18:02):
That's a great question. You know, we no matter what recovery,
we have a family group that we have weekly for
families and loved ones. And that's a question that comes
up all the time. How do you tell me not
to care or how do you tell me not to
be involved? This is my child, you know, I'm from
the moment they were born, I'm going to worry about them.
I'm going to be scared for them. And the thing
(18:26):
is is that it's about knowing what you're able to
control and fix or help with and what you can't.
And unfortunately, with addiction, when someone has an addiction taking
over their lives, taking over their brains, they won't listen.
They're not going to change just because a parent or
a loved one is saying please stop or you know,
(18:49):
go to this rehab. And so there are limitations that
a parent can put in place. So do I tell
parents to cut off people completely. No, necessarily, because we
want them to be able to get help. So, for instance,
if someone's under the age of twenty six, let them
stay on your insurance plan and try and get help
(19:10):
with rehab or treatment or therapy, possibly contributing to a
cell phone plan, so at least they have a cell
phone to try and get help. But financially, there're going
to be some boundaries, right because we want to make
sure that we're not financially contributing for someone to be
able to purchase the drugs or purchase things that are
(19:30):
going to be unhealthy for them. So it's a back
and forth of how you can protect them but protect
them with limitations. And that's why support groups and therapy
and guidance from specialists are going to be really helpful
with learning what boundaries those are.
Speaker 3 (19:46):
But outside of that, there's not really a lot that
can be done. Right. I mean, legally, you're not going
to be able.
Speaker 4 (19:52):
To force anybody into treatment, force anybody into rehab, force
anybody into therapy.
Speaker 6 (20:00):
And I think that's part of a parent's struggle. And
the problem is that you want to be able to
say no, you have to go do this, and it's
what's best for you, go now. And someone over the
age of eighteen can leave when they want, doesn't have
to listen, can stop contact. So it's aligning a dance.
It's a dance of how do I keep them in
touch with me, make sure they're okay, but also not
(20:22):
enable them And so it's showing love and support without
having to have some kind of authority over them and
again letting people try and help the best they can
with rehab and specialists we know at treatment centers like
no matter what, how to help them where we're going
(20:42):
to be able to guide them, staying in touch with
them if they were to relapse, having their location on
your phone at least make sure they're safe. A parent
maybe shouldn't do that, but a treatment center can, and
being able to have the other people.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
It seems like I think you said dance, Yeah, a
constant balancing act from day to day at times in
terms of well, when you're dealing with somebody in the
throes of addiction or mental health, you kind of never
know what you're going to get, and every day could
be different in terms of what your kid needs in
(21:22):
that specific space or that situation, or that day could
be very different what they need in a week from
now or a month from now. Is it just constant
recalibration of the situation, involving, like you said, the entire family.
Speaker 6 (21:38):
Yeah, And I think what's really important. Recalibrating is a
great way to look at it. But also, you know,
being open and flexible with what's going to come at you,
but not wavering. So the addict is going to especially
when they're in the furrows of their addiction and possibly
(21:59):
not in any sense recovery or off their medications and
things like that. You want to stand firm in what
kind of boundaries and needs you may have as a
family or you have as a parent, because anything can
come at you and shift. But as long as you
can stay consistent. That's going to and actually throttle the addict.
(22:21):
They're actually not used to someone staying focused and consistent
and grounded in a decision like I'm only willing to
do X, Y and Z for you. So because again,
when an addict is in the throes of addiction, they're
going to manipulate, strategize, do whatever they can to try
and get what they need. And what they need might
(22:42):
be a drug. What they need might be money to
go get that drug or to go have that addiction.
So when a parent or a loved one is talked
into or manipulated to give in a little bit, then
the addict's going to think that they can maneuver and
get whatever they want when they want. So it's really
(23:02):
about staying grounded and staying consistent and staying as a
united front as a whole family. So again there's also
no splitting between family members, which can happen.
Speaker 4 (23:15):
All of it sounds awful, you probably, I mean, in
your line of work, you have to deal with some
of the worst circumstances that people find themselves out.
Speaker 6 (23:27):
Absolutely, I've unfortunately in my field is working in treatment
centers for many years, especially with the sentinel epidemic. I've
called family members myself. I've met the corners myself, because
I have a firm belief I'd rather a family member
here from a loving person like a therapist or a
(23:48):
clinical director who knew their child and who loved their child,
then a corner or a police officer. So yes, I've
had to have those conversations with loved ones, and it
doesn't gets easier. And it's hearing about just the continuation
of addiction, especially with drugs and alcohol taking over just
(24:12):
everywhere and in the news stories in every city. It's
it's devastating and how it can affect families of devastating.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
Sorry, Jessica, I just got in your experience, are there.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
I'm assuming that you've talked with parents who know there
is a chance their child could be violent or could
have some sort of break and uh, and I bet
it doesn't even change the way that they are handling
the situation that the you know, the love for the
kid overrides shielding themselves from any kind of violent episode. Unfortunately, Yeah,
(24:48):
I think that you.
Speaker 6 (24:49):
I think a lot of parents, especially but all loved ones, don't.
They can't truly imagine that that could happen, So their
child getting violent with them or getting violent with the
you want to think that that can't happen, but especially
with mental health issues, especially drug induced mental health issues,
anything is possible, and it's hard to know how someone
(25:12):
will act and react, and so parents and all loved
ones need to be cautious if they know, especially if
you know loved one is maybe not on their medications
or have had relapses. You want to be careful because
we don't know how long they've been using the drug
or how long they've been without the medications, and absolutely
(25:32):
can turn violent or absolutely could turn into a psychotic
break of sorts, and that's hard hard to navigate, and
so you want to stay guarded and protected as best
as possible.
Speaker 4 (25:45):
Well, Jessica has some great insights into a tough story.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Thanks for your time today, Thank you very much. You've
got Jessica.
Speaker 4 (25:52):
Steinman there again, licensed Marriage and Family Therapists from No
Matter What Recovery here in LA.
Speaker 8 (26:00):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (26:08):
There's we all go online for resources for all kinds
of stuff. We're talking about the apparent murder of or
I should say, the murder of Rob Reiner and his
wife Michelle, apparently by their son after a couple decades
just about of mental health and addiction issues that Nick
(26:31):
Reiner had. They were found by their daughter who apparently
lives across the street there in Brentwood. And you can
imagine that it is difficult for any situation like this
is difficult. Any situation that ends in violence is that
much more difficult, And it's hard to actually figure out
even kind of wrapping your head around some of this
(26:54):
for other people and putting yourself in their shoes of
someone who's had to deal with this, a parent who
has an adult child with mental health or addiction issues.
And there's a lot of people out there who have
shared stories with us on the talk back for example,
of situations in their life they kind.
Speaker 3 (27:12):
Of echo this.
Speaker 7 (27:13):
This story is heartbreaking for personal reasons. We have a nephew,
my husband's brother's son who was going through the same
almost almost just sounds so similar situation over the years
and not a rehab. Parents doing tough love. Well, when
they finally decided to regie the tough love, he ended
(27:35):
up oding on heroin. So they lost their sons. So
that's the kind of stuff these parents surface.
Speaker 4 (27:41):
Listen, if you're dealing with something like that, how could
that not be part of your calculus? Of course, I
mean you have to. That's all that's going to be
in the back of your head.
Speaker 10 (27:49):
Hey, Gary Shin In reference to having a son who
has some addiction problems and maybe mentally ill problems, there's
a lot of parents out there dealing with that whose
kids poor. Not will pull my eyes on them like
my son has done before, And it's always in the
back of your mind that one day they might come
and kill you. And it's just something you live with.
It's just knowing. And for a lot of people know
(28:12):
what I'm talking about.
Speaker 9 (28:13):
Yeah, Well, Shannon, addiction is a serious disease, like any
other disease. I went through it with my sister. Her
addiction was horrible. My mother threw her out on the street.
She was out there for over a year. I couldn't
take it any longer. I saved your life. She's thirteen
years sobern out and I got to tell you, it
was so hard. We went through hell. She went death
(28:35):
from vicodin but has a cochlear implant. So many bad
things happened but I did it. I totally saved her good.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
That's wonderful.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
That's funny. It takes a lot of energy and effort.
Speaker 1 (28:49):
And well, and even with all the energy and effort
in the world, sometimes it doesn't work out that way.
Speaker 4 (28:54):
So that's wonderful. She's got to be able to want
to change too. Yeah, you're never going to force that on.
Speaker 11 (29:00):
I think it's time we move away from the term
adult children maybe adult people. I know I've got adult
people in my family that have parents, and those adult
people have mental health and drug addiction. I think when
(29:21):
we refer to them as adult children, it makes it
even harder.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
Well to cut the tie.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
That's what they are.
Speaker 1 (29:28):
They're always your children, even when they're forty five.
Speaker 3 (29:31):
I think I understand her her.
Speaker 4 (29:35):
Point that by using the term child, it's you're accentuating
the dynamic between a parent and a child, but you're
envisioned a parent and a small child as opposed to
a parent and a family.
Speaker 3 (29:51):
I don't know.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
My mom still calls me baby, and where's the baby.
I'm not even a child yet in my home.
Speaker 3 (29:57):
Sounds like you're over it though.
Speaker 2 (30:00):
It makes me feel young.
Speaker 3 (30:03):
All right, baby, who's baby?
Speaker 2 (30:05):
I'm not even baby babe, not a baby baby.
Speaker 3 (30:07):
Not a baby mom.
Speaker 1 (30:11):
All right, and when we come back, we will get
you caught up on everything everyone's talking about. A lot
of workers are in their forties, are going back to school.
Here is what they are studying, will tell you. And
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