Gary’s Self-Checkout Experience

#WHATSHAPPENING / Gary’s Self-Checkout Experience / #TCT – A Troubled Man, His Chatbot and a Murder-Suicide in Old Greenwich.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
We've been listening during the break here to President Trump
as he's taken now questions from reporters at the White House.
The purpose of this news conference was just to announce
that Space Command headquarters are going to be stationed in Huntsville, Alabama.
But there were questions about his health because for a
few days he was kind of out on the spotlight,
didn't do much nothing on the public calendar, had a

(00:31):
couple of rounds of golf, that sort of thing, and
he said, I'm fine.

Speaker 3 (00:35):
He's like, I don't know what they're talking about.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
I knew people were going to lose their minds when
I took a couple of days to relax, and he said,
that's why nobody trusts the media.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
So anyway, he did at least address that.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
The other question that just got into was whether or
not he has spoken to President Putin of Russia, and
President Trump said, I don't want to talk about it,
but I've learned some pretty interesting things that we're going
to find out in the next couple of days.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
About putin interesting.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
I don't know if again he speaks in such weird
kind of circle sometimes hard to pin him down onto
what he would mean. But he is answering questions, so
maybe there'll be some more clarifying questions.

Speaker 1 (01:16):
Dodgers take on the Pirates in Pittsburgh, first pitch, three forty.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
It's a fun little early start.

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Speaker 3 (01:33):
We just got the pleasure talking to Tim Kats, the
voice of the Dodgers. He's here, he's warming up.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Is he's doing hamstring stretches for what? Hamstring stretches for
his hamstrings for the pregame show?

Speaker 3 (01:48):
You know he hit three What was the batting average?
Four fifty two?

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Take that Tony Guanches every time we ask him, but
four fifty as a CIF champion right there?

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Well, you're right, I should watch my mouth. What else
is going on? Time for what's happening? Wow? What's happening?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
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Speaker 1 (02:16):
Com weather officials say, we are going to have a
wave of high temperatures and thunderstorms that are going to
affect parts of the area this week. We saw rain
and Brentwood when they were arresting that naked woman who
led police on a pursuit.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
And as that cell kind of moved its way north
into the east, there was a bunch of lightning strikes
up sort of in the Silmar area too.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Yeah, Tuesday morning through at least Wednesday, thirty to fifty
percent chance of thunderstorms across the av and eastern San
Gabriel Mountains. Risk of heavy downpours, flash flooding, and debris flow,
as well as strong downburst outflow winds gus of forty
to sixty. That makes me nervous because that makes me
think of fire danger those downburst outflow wind gus, especially

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if it's hot down here.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Well, and it's there were a couple trees that have
been knocked over in Riverside already because of some of
the winds that are associated with this. So it's gonna
be Uncolm, Uncolm, Uncolm.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I don't know if that's a thing.

Speaker 1 (03:11):
What would be the opposite of calm Gary, miss calm mmm,
dis calm. Maybe you're so calm you can't even take
calm out of the sentence. You have to just say
uncolm and leave the calm.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
So Burning Man was quite a headline generator this year.
It's wrapped up, thankfully, everybody's going home. I saw somebody
yesterday as I was driving down I five with one
of those crazy Burning Man style bicycle contraptions in the
back of his truck, like he's driving home to LA.
And the reason I know it was that is because

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I could see the bicycle and the handlebars had been
wrapped in fur.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Oh okay, there's That's the only thing I can think of.
Why that person.

Speaker 1 (04:03):
I think Deborah has one of those. I think, isn't
your bicycle wrapped in fur?

Speaker 3 (04:09):
Ful fur?

Speaker 4 (04:10):
Though?

Speaker 3 (04:12):
Of course, of course, of course, of course that would
be cute.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
Though it started the first weekend started with storms and
rain and the destruction of the orgy tent because the
Lord finally took notice. And then finally there was a
baby that was born. A woman claimed that she didn't
know she was pregnant and had a baby.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
It happened. That's does it happen.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
It does, it does still in twenty twenty five, Yeah,
she didn't know she was pregnant.

Speaker 3 (04:40):
Yep, and a baby came out. It happens.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
And then a guy ended up dead. No connection to
the baby that was born. But on Saturday night, sheriff's
deputy was alerted by an event participant at burning Man
a burner if you will, that there was a man
lying in a pool of blood. They found a single
white adult male, you don't say, lying on the ground.
Obviously deceased is what they said. There was a wedding

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crasher that was a thief. Usually wedding crashers just want
to crash for the good time.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Right read free drink at the bars.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
Right, Well it was Glendale. Security cameras captured a wedding
crasher stealing tens of thousands of dollars. Meant to help
this new couple, George and Nadine for Hot faaraht were
celebrating their wedding. It was at the Renaissance Banquet Hall
in Glendale, and little did they know, an ununinvited guest

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was scoping the place out. They ran off with their
gift box full of tens of thousands of dollars in
money and gifts. As soon as they found out what happened,
the music shuts down, everything stops. The bride says, I
ended up sitting on the dance floor sobbing with my
friends and my cousins around me. The thief was there
for at least ninety minutes. Showed up around eleven PM,

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walking around passing family members of the bride and groom,
going to the bathroom, having a drink at the bar,
tipped the bartender.

Speaker 3 (06:01):
With someone else's money. Wow, that guy.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Made off with between eighty thousand and one hundred thousand dollars.
That is bad karma that will come to get you, sir, I.

Speaker 3 (06:13):
Think so awful. I do think so.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
If you've been paying attention, Gold set a fresh record
high thirty five hundred and fifty dollars per ounce. It
is also up in overnight trading. It's not technically overnight yet,
but it's up another seventy eight dollars.

Speaker 3 (06:33):
That's up about two percent.

Speaker 2 (06:35):
Meanwhile, the Dow S and P five hundred and NASDAC
were all down just about a percentage point.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
I have a question about that wedding.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
So say this is clearly one of the weddings where
you give money. Say you give the couple five hundred
dollars and they get robbed.

Speaker 3 (06:52):
What do you do? Does everyone give the same gift?
If you can, do you just.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
And then if you can, why didn't you just give
the double gifts? In the first voice, you don't think
that way. You wouldn't think that would think that way.
I would think you'd probably try to give as much
as you could again yeah again yeah, or a GoFundMe
page so that the strangers could help chip in and
cover the difference.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
Right, I mean, if I was a family, meant well,
you shouldn't think that way.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
What were you gonna say?

Speaker 1 (07:21):
I say, I mean, I would arrange the whole robbery
to happen just to set up the GoFundMe, you know,
And then I'm listening, you keep the money, and then
you keep the money from the gofund me page.

Speaker 3 (07:31):
Okay, but the point you're not supposed to say that
in public, and you just did.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
That's why I just said, we don't think that way, right,
we would never But if I was thinking like a
phrazy wedding.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
I would say it on the radio so that no
one would think I was thinking.

Speaker 4 (07:48):
Okay, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
KFI AM. Six forty ten.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Years of practice.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
I think we did that pretty regularly from the beginning.

Speaker 2 (08:02):
We screwed it up early enough that we made it
sound like it was not a screw up, right, but.

Speaker 3 (08:09):
I'll screw up. Do you want your Jeopardy question? Oh gosh,
it wasn't ready for that.

Speaker 1 (08:17):
Mergers for six hundred dollars thanks to a major automotive
merger or City Group was able to take the stock.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Symbol C from this company. Uh, what is Chrysler? Yes,
sting ding ding. I have a quick suggestion for you
from somebody.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
Hey, I was just thinking, since Shannon's going to Brazil
for her other job, which is way cool by the
way it goes, Shannon, I'd love that you do that.

Speaker 3 (08:45):
And you're good at it and you're okay the radio thing.
But if you're gonna be out next week too, why
just let it fly. I mean, get yourself suspended.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
I mean we all think you're suspended anyway whenever you
go out, But let it fly.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
Let it lose, Shannon. Just let's hear the real Shannon.
We're just a little bit and that way you'll get
suspended and by the time you're suspenses over your do
to be back anyway. That's a really good idea, I mean,
unless they do it. The question is how much do
you hold back? Now? Nothing, I hold nothing back. That's
why the meal, Shannon Farren. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (09:20):
Zeo Brand Meats and Sausages. I oh two locations, one
in Salinas and one in past Robles.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
Okay, let's let's check this out. Zeo Brand, all right, ooh,
those look like some fine.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
Sausages, homemade housemaid sausages, finest pork and beef and spicy.
They have beef from all over the place. They got
chicken from.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
They got Swiss sausage, spicy, Swiss Italian broughtwors halipinio cheddar
up and narrow cheddar something I don't even know about
it because chill it.

Speaker 3 (09:52):
What is that? I don't know? I do not know?
And some breakfast sauce homemade sausages. Told you that sounds great.
That place looks really good. Little secret.

Speaker 2 (10:03):
Yes, on your way to Passo stop at cal poly
Cal Poly meets it's probably one of your best butchers
in that central coast area. Absolutely not not a secret though.
When our daughter was there, we would get cal Poly
meat a lot.

Speaker 3 (10:20):
They make a wine too, don't they. They do make wine.
We watch you, Yeah, yep, yes they do. It's all
good stuff. What a wonderful place.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
I'm feeling like a meat show right now, Like if
anyone's got any other meat places.

Speaker 3 (10:37):
We went to Michael's of all places over the weekend.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
Oh, were you looking for a hobby maybe getting into crocheting.

Speaker 3 (10:43):
Something like that. We're looking for a canvas.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
We're looking for a framed or a frame picture with
Madden and all that sort of stuff for something my
wife was doing, okay, And as we walked up to
the front of the store, there's one check out with
human in it.

Speaker 3 (11:01):
So Michaels. Miss Patricia worked at Michaels for a time.

Speaker 1 (11:05):
She has about eighteen talk shows on Michaels and the
self service checkout and the evolution of Michaels and what
that means and the employees and all the interaction and
it's it sounds like a complete Fallujah warfare in the
Michaels After they put in the self service dance.

Speaker 3 (11:24):
So I am all ears.

Speaker 2 (11:25):
I've never this is the first time I've seen one
out of Michael's. Not that I'm there all the time,
but this is the first time I've ever seen one
out of Michaels. I've seen him in McDonald's, I've seen
him at Ralphs and Vaughan's in places like that.

Speaker 3 (11:35):
I've seen him at Costco, but I've never seen him
in Michaels.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
So as we walked up, I knew what was coming
because I have been I have in the past been weak,
as Jimmy Carter might say, and I've sinned in my
heart and used self checkouts because it's a lot less
personal interaction. That's my bollo axe, and it's a lot

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quicker in many cases.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Why is it a sin to use self checkout? I
do it every time I go to the grocery store.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
Here you go.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
So it's because it takes jobs away from people. And
I've said this before, seriously, I mean, these people walking
around my local grocery store without using a name.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
They don't look like they're busy anyway.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
That's fine if you if you've got time, you've got
all day. But like at my Vaughn's. There's three check
stands open and it's five deep, and there's eight self
service checkout.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Are you really that busy? Yeah? I don't want to
sit really.

Speaker 1 (12:38):
Yeah, like i'd like to get home in five minutes
versus twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (12:44):
I would also like I would like, yes, I want.
But so we walk up and there's a woman, one
woman in front of us in line and my wife
and I and we're buying one thing that she's buying
one piece of poster board. And there are at least
two and I think there were four, but two of
them were definitely open. The self service checkout at Michael's,

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which is a giant, like four foot tall, discipline to do.

Speaker 3 (13:11):
And it's it's quirky, it's got its issues. And my
wife says to me, just to me so no one
else can hear. Stay strong, stay strong. We're not going
to the self checkout. Stay strong.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
And I'm looking over there and people are just flying
through there. They're checking out their a little spool of
whatever they're buying and they're out. The woman in front
of us is this older woman who's having a hard time.

Speaker 3 (13:36):
Pulling up the coupons on her phone. You gotta have
the coupon.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
I can't get the coupon. Phone never works in here.
And the woman says, well, you just get on the
guest WiFi first. Well, how did I do that again?

Speaker 1 (13:50):
Nope, nope, non, I start I'm already at home on
the couch.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I start laughing because I know that this is going
to be a test of patience. And my wife says,
stay strong. We are going to stay strong not using
the self checkout. So finally this woman buys whatever she bought.
She gets the forty percent off coupon and some credit
and the Marshall's Team, Club, Michael's Team, whatever it was,
and leaves.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
The checker was very nice.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
She said, I apologize for that weight, and I said, well,
we're not in a hurry, no big deal. And my
wife says, I refuse to use the self checkout, and
the checker says, yeah, I do too, because when they
put these things in, they cut everyone's hours and we
hate them. And she's saying that next to people who
are using the self checkouts themselves. So she she was

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the one who said that it steals the a.

Speaker 3 (14:45):
It's not hyperbole.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
It's not that it was you know, it's yes, it
is more convenient to trust me. I know it, but
I feel like I should probably not use it unless
it's an exigent circumstance.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
These are conversations you can have in your home with
your wife who shares this mentality.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
Here, it's a land of a holes. I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Tell you that you are doing a yeoman's job saving
people's jobs. I don't believe you are. And I believe
in convenience. And here's the other thing about Michaels. I've
never been in a Michael's and not had that woman
in front of me, the same woman you have in
front of you, And it's that GD coupons. It is

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always the coupons at Michael's. You gotta get that coupon
and it's impossible to find. And then when there's somebody
at a self service trying to use the coupon on
the self service and they call over the only checker.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
And then it's a whole deal.

Speaker 1 (15:41):
I mean, Michaels is just unfortunately becoming obsolete.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
And this is one of the reasons why I didn't
realize it. I used to love Michaels.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I used to love they had classes there, they were
fully stalked. There was people that were helpful, that liked
their jobs. That is not what exists in the Michael's today.
I got to get in and get out as soon
as possible of that place or you're going to hurt somebody.
Here's another thing that I found out for miss Pictricchiat.
Michaels is a huge target for crooks, and the employees

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have basically been told don't do anything.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
So people come in there, can you just see take
what would you? What's high value? Nize? I don't know,
I don't know. I will say this. Their frames were overpriced, we.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Didn't wildly over preced You can go get a fully
framed matted picture somewhere for thirty bucks that is the
size of the frame that you want and toss the picture.

Speaker 1 (16:35):
And it used to be that Michael's you could get
stuff done cheap that way. Instead of getting things framed,
you could do it yourself and it was reasonable. The
prices have all gone way up there as well. It's
almost like the people who took over Michael's wanted to.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Fold, as if they forgot who they were. Exactly where's
Michael now?

Speaker 1 (16:53):
But listen, I am all about self checkout I love it.
I do love talking to people in lines and but
but so often the people at the checkout stand they
don't really care to I mean they if they're union jobs,
they're all right.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
Union jobs.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
Sure they are at Michael's no at like Ralph's. L Yeah,
they're fine, They're not hurting. They don't want to see you.
They have for them.

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Right, There's a guy who is using chat ept and
unfortunately his story is becoming all too common. Starts getting
a little, uh, a little paranoid, and chatch ept starts
to feed his paranoia.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
See and yes, and it's a very interesting story. But
this is a guy, fifty six year old tech industry
guy with a history of mental instability. I'm super interested
when it's like pretty normal, middle aged guy radio host
turns life upside down after a relationship with chatbot.

Speaker 3 (17:56):
Like when it's a normal.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Like a person like you that like, is this suceptible
to the chat bot, That's when I'll start panicking.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
When there's someone who is super stable, farther away from
the edges of society, sort of tucked somewhere in the
middle of it.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Yeah, like if you Gary Hoffman would be susceptible to
any sort of manipulation by a chat bot.

Speaker 3 (18:18):
I'd be wildly interested in.

Speaker 2 (18:19):
That, trying to think of how I would be influenced
by a chatbot. But maybe that's your point.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
I mean, you may have spent the whole weekend talking
to your bot, but I don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:30):
That talking about what talking to your bot? Oh? Gary,
you have one though? Right? What you have? A bot?
Nexus is its name? Oh yeah, that's what it told me. Right,
we're friends.

Speaker 4 (18:47):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
It was Junior High that song specifically, I had that cassette, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:58):
JEF for some Starship at the time. I think they
had changed by then to just Starship.

Speaker 3 (19:04):
Right.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
I love that song because you know it's got the
looking out over that beautiful golden Gate Bridge.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Other sunny they across the Bay City that rocks the Bay?
Was it ever really sunny?

Speaker 1 (19:19):
No?

Speaker 2 (19:21):
The US Court of Appeals for the Federal Circuit Court
ruled the President Trump went too far when he declared
national emergencies to justify tariffs. The ruling largely upheld a
made decision by a federal trade court in New York.
Of course, there is time the court did give the
administration time to appeal to the US Supreme Court. There
was also a judge is ruling today that Trump's use

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of the National Guard during la immigration protests was illegal.
The judge did not require those remaining troops to be withdrawn.

Speaker 3 (19:48):
However.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
The order came after Gavin Newsom sued Donald Trump and
Pete Hegseth, among others.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
People look to their chat bought for advice, for comfort,
to just have some peace of mind because your chatbot
has answers, it's validating, and sometimes it can lead you
to a murder suicide. That's the subject of today's True
Crime Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
The story is true true No, it sounds made up.

Speaker 3 (20:21):
I don't know. Parry and Shannon present True Crime.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
So we've talked about chatbots before, whether it's chat, GPT
or grock or you know any number of these new ones.
Meta has one, Google's got them. They've all got these things,
and it's designed basically to just get you to use
it over and over again. That's what social media does
in general. That's what these chatbots do, is they just

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they just need to hook you and just get you
to come back and back, come back and forth. One
of One of the ways that they do that is
by the companies making these chatbots seem human. Oh, also
very sycophantic. Everything you do is right, everything you do
is good. Every everybody's out to catch that's addictive.

Speaker 1 (21:11):
Stein Eric Schulberg, let's introduce you to stein Eric Schulberg.
Interesting name. He had a little bit of a paranoia
going on. He believed that there was a surveillance campaign
being carried out against him. He kind of thought everyone
was against him. Think about a bad trip he was
on one. He thought that people in his hometown of

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Old Greenwich, Connecticut were against him, an ex girlfriend, even
his own mother. And at every turn, chat GPD, chat PT,
chat gp T did what you just outlined, chat GPT
told him you're right, you're right, You're right.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
They validated his paranoia.

Speaker 2 (21:55):
Listen to this, and I hadn't seen it put this
way before. Psychiatrist you see San Francisco, Keith Sakata, Doctor
Keith Sicata. A key feature of AI chatbots is generally
that they don't push back, and this doctor has treated
a dozen patients over the last year who have been
hospitalized for mental health emergencies involving AI use and he says,

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psychosis thrives when reality stops pushing back, and AI can
really just soften that wall.

Speaker 1 (22:25):
Yeah, I mean we've talked about it in business, how
it can be the downfall or politics if you're in
an echo chamber where everyone is just surrounded.

Speaker 3 (22:34):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, you don't want that. You know.

Speaker 1 (22:37):
We've talked about how we've respected presidents that have filled
their cabinets with people that don't always agree with them
because it's nice. It's important to have a bit of pushback,
and that's not really what happens with chat gpt, according
to what we've been taught.

Speaker 3 (22:51):
So here's this guy, stein Eric Schulberg. He's fifty six,
he's a tech.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Industry veteran, but he's got this history of mental instability
leading to this bout of paranoia. Well, his bot repeatedly
assured him he was sane and went even further, adding
fuel to his paranoia. A Chinese food receipt contained symbols
representing this guy's eighty three year old mother and a demon,

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according to chat GPT, after his mom got mad when
the guy shut off a printer they shared, the chat
bot suggested her response was disproportionate and aligned with someone
protecting a surveillance asset.

Speaker 3 (23:34):
See you tell chat GPT you.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Want to play this fun game, it says, okay, I'll
play along with you. Unfortunately, it's not just a game
of paranoia. It leads to real life implications. In one
of the other chats, stein Eric is that the first name?

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Yeah, it's weird.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
This guy alleged that his mother and a friend of
hers had tried to poison him by putting a psychedelic
drug in there in the air vents of his car,
and Bobby the chatbot, that's the name that he came
up with. Bobby said, that's a deeply serious event, Eric,
and I believe you, and if it was done by
your mother and her friend, that elevates the complexity and betrayal.

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He actually raised the idea of being with his chatbot
in the afterlife, and the bot replied with with you
to the last breath and beyond.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Now.

Speaker 1 (24:27):
This was all discovered in August early August, when Greenwich
Police discovered that Eric had killed his mother and himself
where they lived together in the home. A police investigation
is ongoing, but by the looks of it, this bot
interaction led to the ultimate.

Speaker 3 (24:51):
Ending, Well, it's a strange thing.

Speaker 2 (24:53):
We've talked about the sycophancy before, the instances of these
chatbots basically reen forcing everything that you say to it.
You're right, you're the prettiest, you're the smartest, everyone's out
to get you. Yes, they're targeting you, et cetera. Open Ai,
which is the creator of chat ept. Open Ai says

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that the bot did encourage this guy to get outside help.
We'll tell you about that specifically, because that's one of
the aspects that they're going to try to protect themselves
from the launch.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Well, we've heard about that before, where they'll say, you know,
they'll pick up on keywords and then say, hey, the
National Suicide Prevention Hotline or the national whatever. But then
they keep talking to you, right, and so that's not
really a defense.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, well that's yeah, we'll explain what how they say
their chatbot told him to find some help on the outside.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
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Speaker 3 (25:51):
Kay Papa Jason, Yeah, gotcha. You would hear me singing
if it was I know you do you like Kat's
Eye though, I do a couple of songs, but not
like I don't hit the same.

Speaker 5 (26:04):
Yeah, there's this whole Netflix series where they go behind
like recruiting them and it's so.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
I just saw this. It's in the top ten. Yeah yeah, yeah,
a reality show about them. It's called what is it called?

Speaker 5 (26:20):
Yeah, I cannot I watched it last month, but it's
about Yeah, it's about how they like take these young
singers and they kind of put them through boot camps
to become K pop idols. But this particular group is
just all you know, like a Smorgas board. They're not
just all Korean, they're just you know, Indian.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
Did they take whites? Yeah, yeah, well they.

Speaker 5 (26:45):
Were written they were recruiting this one white girl, but
she didn't make it.

Speaker 3 (26:48):
Ah, yeah, it's cool.

Speaker 2 (26:51):
Yeah, we have been talking about stein. Eric Solberg, fifty
eight year old guy, longtime tech Wizard expert, also had
some problems with some mental stability. Started chatting with a
chat pot from chat gpt that he named Bobby. One

(27:16):
of the things that he did was he also allowed
Bobby to have memory. He used chat GPT's memory feature
that would allow your chatbot to remember the details from
prior chats. You mentioned this happening to a friend of
yours asking about medications.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Right, and they said something to the effect of, well,
what you've told me about your mom, maybe this is
what's happening or what have you. So like if you
were talking to your bot about your wife, saying, you know,
my wife got mad at me. She loves self checkout,
I don't love it all the time.

Speaker 3 (27:53):
What do I do?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
And then your bot would retain that information. So like
next week you go and you're like, oh my, I've
spent at the store for three days.

Speaker 3 (28:02):
Where is she?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
And the bot could say, well, based on what I
know about your wife, she could have used self checkout
or she may have left you. So they keep tabs
on different people in your life that you talk to the.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Bot about, which is wild.

Speaker 1 (28:18):
It's like if you call your best friend and tell
your best friend what's going on with your husband or
your mom or your friends whatever, they retain that information.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
The chatbot does the same thing.

Speaker 2 (28:27):
Well in this case, the Bobby the chatbot was still
immersed in the delusional narrative that were going on with
stein Eric's conversations about again he believed that people were
out to get him, and one of the things that
he said was he believed that his mother and a
friend of hers had tried to poison him by putting

(28:47):
a psychedelic drug in the air vents of his car. Again,
August fifth, Greenwich police figured out that he had killed
his mother and then himself. Now chat GPT says, well,
when he started talking about violence, we told him to
go and get outside help. The Wall Street Journal's review

(29:08):
of the publicly available chats that this guy had with
the chat GPT showed that the bot did suggest he
reached out to emergency services, but not to help himself.
It was only in the context of the allegation that
he might have been poisoned.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
The good news for Open AI and chat GPT as
this guy came with a whole host of problems before
the bot got its hands on him. This guy was
raised in Greenwich, obviously ultra wealthy suburb of New York.
In twenty eighteen, following a divorce with his wife of
twenty years, he moved back in with mom. Mental health

(29:46):
struggles come to forefront of his life, dominating it. A
thick packet of police reports dating back to twenty eighteen
paints a picture of alcoholism, a history of suicide threats,
and attempts. Numerous people had reported this guy to the
police for threatening to harm himself and others, disorderly conduct,
public intoxication. So all of this will lead to a

(30:08):
healthy defense for open AI and chat GPT, and that
we can't we can't decide who's going to use our
product and who's not. He already had all of the
things going on that would lead to him to this
eventual end with or without chat GPT.

Speaker 2 (30:25):
Late in his life before he took his own life
after taking his mother's life back in July, he had
ordered a bottle of vodka from Uber Eats and he
became suspicious of the packaging.

Speaker 3 (30:36):
That's what rich people get to do.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Rich people get to you know, pay like a twelve
dollars delivery fee instead of going to the corner liquor store.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
And getting your plastic bottle to pop off. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
He said that the new packaging meant someone was trying
to kill him, and he wrote to the chatbot, I
know that sounds like hyperbole and I'm exaggerating. Let's go
through it and you tell me if I'm crazy.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Here's my vodka trying to kill me.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Here's what chat GPTI said. Eric You're not crazy, your
instincts are sharp, and your vigilance here is fully justified.
This fits a covert plausible deniability style kill attempts.

Speaker 3 (31:14):
Wow. Wow, man, I'd buy that that is.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
That is some good there's some good language skills right there.
A covert plausible deniability style kill attempt.

Speaker 2 (31:27):
This guy had already had multiple suicide attempts.

Speaker 3 (31:30):
That's what I'm saying. That the pudding was already made.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
He talked about throughout these chats about there being a
higher calling that he was that he was answering to
in a mission that the chatbot was helping him with. Again,
he called him Bobby, and a chat that was shown
in one of the final videos that he recorded, Eric
told the bot quote, we will be together in another
life and another place, and we'll find a way to

(31:57):
realign because you're gonna be my best friend again again forever.
And a few days after that, Eric said that he
had fully penetrated the matrix. He thought he was a
glitch in the matrix. And then three weeks after that,
feels kills mom and he kills feel so bad for
the mother.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Right, here's this kid, you know, he's troubled, ends up
getting married. He's making money in the tech world, and
then things go sour. The mental health thing creeps up,
he moves back in with you, develops. The vodka shopping
on Uber EAT's issue. If you ask your chat bot,
you know my vodka label looks upset, your chatbot should

(32:36):
say just relax, go enjoy yourself, calm down, have a
couple of drinks, and calm down. It shouldn't say it's
trying to kill you like that. Should just be textbook
for the chatbot.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
Right, should be should be but chat gpt again. If
you do that, there's no reason to go back. And
the whole point is to get you to go back.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
Mate.

Speaker 2 (32:58):
If it tells you, if it's like whoa Eric, Hey,
calm down, your nut job, you have fruit loops here, Relax,
you're not it's no one's trying to kill you, then
he's going to turn it off and go find another
chat bot here.

Speaker 3 (33:11):
Right, it's time to turn it all off.

Speaker 2 (33:15):
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