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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:09):
Told you that Peter, our dog, had a very social
weekend when we went for the family reunion. We took
him up with us into Central California. My sister's got
a couple of dogs. My aunt has a dog. There
was a neighbor cousin that had another dog that came over.
He was busy playing the entire time.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
You said you were worried that when he would come
back home and there were no other dogs, that he
may be bored.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, for one thing, he was asleep for a day
and a half.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, tuppered out.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It was funny because I was laughing as we're driving home.
He's asleep in the backseat of the car. I'm thinking
if I did that, if I went for a weekend
and did nothing but played like I don't know, flag
football with like you do a Thanksgiving for example, Right,
you get together, you play flag football. It's the first
time in months you've done anything athletic, and you're.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Sore for four days.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, I wonder if he had that same feeling, like
where his little dog muscles sore from playing constantly for
hours and hours at a time when he doesn't do
that regularly.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I assume they have to be right.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So, but now he's looking up and wondering where the
other dogs are.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So what do you tell him they're gone?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, because I don't know if he's going to remember
them next time, Like he sees them next time and
he's like, hey, I remember that.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But well, what have you read about dog's memories? Not much.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I assume he smells them and like they smell familiar.
That's supposed to be super important, much more so than
I would. He doesn't smell me and go, oh, I
know you. Oh, I'm sure he does. Okay, you can't
not smell you and not remember you.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Is that what it is? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It says that dogs do you remember other dogs after
long periods separation because of that scent.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Boredom a lot of times for animals can stem from
lack of mental stimulation or opportunities to control certain aspects
of their environment. That leads to frustration or stress, which
can lead to health issues.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
One of the things that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I looked at a lot of when we got this
puppy was whether or not. They like a crate, you know,
to create train your dog so that that's what place
where they can sleep. That's a place that they are
comfortable in because a lot of times if you don't
do it early on, they're not comfortable being in that place.
But that dogs, especially terriers, like that, like confined places
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and they feel safer in there. So the crate that
we have that he sleeps in is covered and it's
kind of tucked away so it's not in the.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Main flow of traffic.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
He can go there any time he wants and he
can sleep and he's never I shouldn't say never. After
maybe three or four days of training, he's really never
had a problem with it. That's probably where he feels safe.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And secure and comfortable. So that's why we took it
with us.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You know that he had the familiar familiarity of it.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Did he use it at all? Yeah? Oh yeah, he
needed a little me time. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I mean, obviously he wants to be a social and
he wants to continue, but he also knows that he's
got to shut it down right wile the destructive behavior
that you see in a dog, for example, chewing furniture,
digging holes, leg licking their own legs, not your legs.
Attention seeking behavior like barking or whining. All of that
(03:38):
is probably because you're not doing enough to entertain your dogs.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
They're also.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Dogs specifically cats to a degree, but dogs specifically. A
lot of them have built in jobs that they're supposed
to do or that they're good at, and if they
don't do those jobs, they get really bored.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And that can be very traumatic for them. Birds.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Birds will sometimes self harm head bobbing and pacing board
parrots can become aggressive. Betas and goldfish do benefit from stimulation,
so think of puzzles. Just set up an iPad in
front of your fish pole and keep your entertained.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Get them hooked on the screens early. I mean, why not.
You know you're going to do it anyway, You might
as well.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Did you let us know what you're watching on this
what you watch on Wednesday? Let us know, use the
talk back feature on the Gary and Shannon Show, iHeartRadio.
Screen to get addicted to the screens, look at the
screen all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
The screen is there, now you might as well take
advantage of.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
It exactly exactly, and furthermore, if you're not following the podcast.
How are you getting the bonus podcast every week? You're
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the bonus podcast. And in the bonus podcast, this one
it's pretty dirty.
Speaker 3 (05:02):
Did you disappoint at me? Yeah? Oh, potty mouth, potty putty.
Speaker 2 (05:07):
Wherever you find your podcast, your favorite podcast, you can
always type in Gary and Shannon. A very old picture
of us comes up. Is it what picture? It's the
COVID picture. I think it's the one from downstairs. And
we got yelled at out of the building.
Speaker 3 (05:20):
They told us we can't take pictures, and I was like, sir,
we've worked here for twenty years. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Folks Moose out front should have told you no commercial pictures.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Furthermore, how was he coming to work every day during
COVID when nobody was Furthermore, he hasn't been seen since.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, you got him fired. You're damn right.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I did.
Speaker 1 (05:41):
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Speaker 2 (05:58):
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Speaker 4 (06:46):
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Speaker 3 (06:53):
Strange Science, Straight Shame. It's like weird science, but strange.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
It's weird doing strange science. On a Wednesday, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
It's not Wednesday. To screw me up? Stop it. I
was trying to go along with you. No, no need. Okay,
you want to start with black holes? Oh boy? Or or.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Do you want to talk about bees and their ability
to process time?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Let's do it alphabetically. Okay. You had to think about
that for a second, didn't you. Yeah? Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Researchers designed a maze to test the ability of a
b bee to distinguish between long and short flashes of light.
Bumblebees can process the duration of flashes of light and
use that information to decide where to look for food.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Who would think of this experiment?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That's the part, that's the one that I'm most concerned about,
they said. The first evidence of such an ability in
insects is what they found. Their discovery could help settle
this debate among scientists again, great party conversation, whether insects
are able to process complex patterns. To reach the finding,
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they set up a maze through which individual bees would
travel when they left their nest to forage for food.
They presented the insects with two visual cues, one circle
that would light up with a short flash and one
that would light up with a long flash, and as
they approached those respective circles, they'd find sweet food that
they liked at one and then a bitter food that
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they don't like at the other.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
The researchers say bumblebees are one of only a small
number of animals, including humans and macoqx and pigeons. Interesting group,
isn't it us bumble bees, macox and pigeons that have
been able to differentiate between short and long flashes, in
(08:57):
this case between point five and five seconds.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
This ability is what helps us to.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Understand morse code, right, Okay, but isn't that a weird grouping?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
That is a very weird grouping? And I don't know why,
I mean, where does it come from? How do we
develop that? Or was it just an absolutely what the.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Bible says about that?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
About what about I don't think it says much about
time delineation based on an experiment with bumblebees.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I haven't read the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I was just wondering if there's anything in there about
macoux and pigeons and bees and humans.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I I'm at a loss. I don't think there are
monkeys that are ted.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I don't think so. Either, but I'm gonna look at it.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I don't think pigeons are mentioned, although they maybe, and
I'm pretty certain bumblebees aren't.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
There's a lot of words in there could be a lot.
The other one is black holes. Scients have gotten at
the bottom of a mystery of an impossible merger between
black holes detected via ripples in space time called gravitational.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Waves back in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
The collision happened about seven billion light years away. That's
a measure of distance involved in a smashup of two
black holes. It seemed to be forbidden, which means shouldn't
physically be able to happen because there are enormous masses
in the incredible rate at which they were spinning. But
they said it shouldn't exist according to current theories of
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how stellar mass black holes from form when massive stars
collapse and explode like a supernova. But the researchers now
said that at the FLATIRN Institute's Center for Computational Astrophysics
great holiday party that recreated the evolution through the lives
of the progenitor stars all the way through their supernova death.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Monkeys, pigeons, and bees are all mentioned in the Bible.
What monkeys talking about King Solomon imports of course talking
about how wealthy that he was, and the kingdom was mentioned.
Pigeons excuse me, are mentioned in the Bible, particularly as
part of sacrificial.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Offerings and ritual.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And then bees of course mentioned in the Bible to
symbolize things like God's blessings and provision, for example, the
promised land flowing with milk and honey, the ferocity of
an enemy attack, chase to as bees do, also the.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Sweetness of God's wisdom.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Great, those are all Sampson finds a swarm of bees
and honey and the carcass of a lion he had killed.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Are you sure those were bees? Yeah? Okay, what did
you think they were maggots? No? Okay, I mean I didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I'm not familiar with that specific story about the bees
in it.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's like in Candy Man the movie.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So I'm also not familiar with that. Those are all
Old Testament. That's funny that they're all Old Testament references.
It makes sense though, right, Yeah, yeah, The Old Testament is.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Vast, vast. The first book, first half, Gary.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And Shannon will continue more than half it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
How come we don't do Bible Thursdays?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
We could start Chukarasaurus Dripienda. It's called a titanosaur, estimated
at nearly one hundred feet in length. This obviously is
a scientific breakthrough, not simply because of its dimensions, but
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for the havoc it reeked during its extraction. They said
the bones were so massive that they actually fractured a
paved road during the transportation from the dig site to
Buenos Aires. Physical Magnitude says it's one of the most
imposing titanosaurs ever recovered. It is the fossil's anatomy, they said,
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specifically the proportions of its im bones that caught the
attention because, unlike other titanosaurs giants with these big pillar
like legs, they said, this one skipped leg day unusually
slender appendicular bones, suggesting a different evolutionary pathway to its
extreme size.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Appendicular You heard me. That reminds me of a word
we learned yesterday, Galactia, which is the most two days
agostines it.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Oh, I can't forget it. Galactia.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
If you missed it, first of all, grab the podcast
because you don't want to miss what galactia is. In fact,
you know what, I'm not even gonna tell you. Go
back in, check it out. It'll be worth it. It's
a perfect, perfect tease. People are going to jump at that.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And then they're going to be very angry at you
until they find out what galactyria is. Hey, tomorrow, come
on out.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
This is your last chance to feign some sort of
food poison.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Remember, nobody asks to follow up.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
If you call in diarrhea or galactia, you're good.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You're golden.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
We are going to be live tomorrow at China Sorry
in Chino Hills at Lucidoor Brewing Company to help kick
off their Hops in the Hills event, to which of course,
goes to support the Chino Hills Fire Foundation. We'll be
out there tomorrow giving away tickets to the weekend of
beer Fest and among other things, we have some tickets,
(14:32):
we have some swag, they have some swag that they're
going to be given away. And there will be confirmed
special guests in the audience tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
How many unclear? I know, Uh, we're still waiting for
a couple of special guests.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, but maybe I don't know, maybybe more maybe a
surprise special guest.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
So tell me that's already tomorrow. Can you believe what
are you gonna wear tomorrow? Unclear? Aless pants? Again?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
No, that was yeah, because remember you're gonna dance on
the bar tomorrow. That's the last news and bers of
the year, and we promised.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I feel like even Chino Hills would disagree with that.
Well last permission. Oh great, I'm sure everybody would appreciate that.
Are you gonna wear hard pants? Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Okay, so we're not gonna wear the ones like the
warm up pants with the buttons.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And on the sides. So you're not gonna do that
because that was the original plan.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Well, I'm just gonna rip them away when you're on
top of the bar.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I'm gonna make it more difficult, because you know what,
play hard to get.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Absolutely make them chase you.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Hey, Gary Shannon, love you guys. You're great. You're keeping
you laughing. I just had a realization. You guys are
the twenty first century equivalent of George Burns and Gracie Allen,
and that's problem. You guys have a great day.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Thank you, Burns and Allen.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Hey Gary, Hey Shannon, Hey Gary. I hear you have
a tattoo on your your buttocks Oracles Stadium? Is that true?
Is that why you wear a speed out? All right, Gary,
your stud good job.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
If I had a tattoo on my buttocks, Why would
I wear the speedo to cover the tattoo?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Well, it's a very it's a thong speedo. Oh it is.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, it's a racing stripe an ass less speedo. I
don't know how that would work, I mean, resilient speedo.
Would you get a tattoo of Oracle Park? Would that
be the park you got? If you were to tattoo
your ass, what.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Would it be on my butt?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I mean, as much as I loved Candlestick, I would
not tattoo Candlestick on my ass.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
First of all, yes, never mind.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I wanted to know what self deprecating line was going
to come out of your mouth.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It would make Candlestick could do so small. Candlestick Park
has never looked so small.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You can do Candlestick Park and Candlestick Point and good
section of the bay right there.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Oh my god, what were we talking about? I think
I could see the Bay Bridge from here. Seriously, what
were we talking.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
We're talking about layoffs and peoples and AI is getting crazy. Obviously,
training AI has become a job. The AI giants, those
companies that are coming down the pike with all these
new AI tools desperately need money and energy and information.
(17:45):
We know that, right That's that's how they have started,
or that's how they've gotten to where they are now,
that's how they progressed, but they also need at this point,
they still need humans in the process. CEOs for these
AI companies have promised there will be people in the
pipeline the entire time, somewhat as a safeguard. I think
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that's the kind of feeling, but it's not clear if
that means that humans would be the ones making the
consequential decisions, or that we would simply review all of
the work that the AI has done and then take
the wheel in case of an emergency, which would amount
to unplugging the computer. We've all seen that movie where
(18:27):
you try to unplug the computer and it still goes.
They say that right now, humans are a key part
of the loop that act as mechanical turks of generative
AI magic like the eighteenth century chess automaton that was
steered by a hidden master. They said that AI trainers
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perform unseen labor to make machines appear smarter than they
actually are.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
There are different companies using different.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
AI models that they had then and kind of pear down,
steer in the right direction, if you want to call it.
That change the queries that you use to figure. It's
to help AI figure things out. Uber announced it a
new initiative to allow drivers to perform some simple AI
tasks to make money during the times they're not driving,
things like help self driving tech companies develop tech they
(19:22):
would help train robots to drive and eventually put Uber drivers.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Out of business.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Amazon announced augmented reality glasses this month that are designed
to help delivery drivers do their jobs more safely.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
We're just talking to somebody who works here who used
AI for for his job purposes, and you said to him, oh,
so you use an AI now, And he goes, yeah,
I gave up. It works really well. I use it
all the time for everything.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I'm not saying I haven't. I haven't used it.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
In fact, I'm pretty astounded at the things that it
would come up with. For example, as specific as you
want a fireball in your backyard or fire pit or
whatever they call them. You can tell almost any one
of these different AI prompts, rock chatchpt whichever one, come
(20:20):
up with a list of five fireballs that would fit
my backyard or fit appropriately, that would have this kind
of ignition, the old fashion or the bluetooth ignition or however,
or that would fit in with my home automation system
that I have, and it will come up with It
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will come up with this list for you and in
some cases provide you the links to the website where
you can buy.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
That thing in a moment.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, not only whatever research you were going to do
for weeks at a time now takes place in sex.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's wonderful and you don't even need to seek it out.
Your AIS come to you most of the time if
you're just googling.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's the worrisome part. Case files all of it, All
of the web browsers now, Microsoft, Edge, Eye, Safari, they
will put their AI results up front. Yeah, because a
lot of time it actually answers your question more more
succinctly than it would if you were to go through
and try to find that same information.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I wonder if they have done something to get rid
of the hallucinations that were picking up steam in terms
of people knowing about them, of AI just making things up,
Like what was the purpose of the AI hallucinations where
it would just make things up?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
What was the purpose of that?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Was that to see how dumb we are, to see
if we fall for everything?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
If the computer was probing to see how dumb we were.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, Like, I want to know more about those, like
if they're not happening anymore, and if when they were,
if they were put in there for a specific purpose.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I was talking to a friend who works in the
visual arts and we were discussing the visuals of AI
and how they've changed recently, recently within the last few
weeks of it's so much better now. Even the still images,
the moving images that have come out that don't do
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things like the hands were always really hard for AI
to get accurate, and you could see if you looked
closely at some of these videos, fingers would meld into
each other and then separate and they would be extra hands,
and that was really hard for it to figure out.
The newly created videos have figured that out, So whatever
(22:34):
as it continues to learn from itself and continues to
learn from our feedback, which is that didn't look like
a real hand. It's got to be doing the same
thing when it comes to those hallucinations that you're talking about.
If we can give it the feedback of that doesn't
make sense, that never happened, it's you know, it will
tell itself teach itself not to make up stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
We hope.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
If you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
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Speaker 2 (23:07):
You know that they have developed, over the course of
several years, a couple decades worth of shopping an interesting niche.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
When it comes to groceries.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Customers are willing to pay premium prices at Whole Foods
because they trust the brand. They made a point of
trying to provide healthier alternatives than you might find in
other grocery stores. They had a culture that would attract
employees who believed in that mission, a clear point of
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differentiation in what otherwise is a crowded marketplace when it
comes to all the different places that you can buy groceries.
And then Amazon bought them, and Amazon has come in
and according to a couple of people who watched that industry,
have Amazon's kind of suck the fun out of Whole Foods. Well,
in my mind, it was never really fun. I felt
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quite put out every time I've been into a Whole Foods.
My wife goes there a whole lot more often than
I do and said a lot of times, those people
in Whole Foods are just not friendly. Not necessarily the employees,
just the people who go to Whole Foods are not friendly. Well,
Amazon has rolled in and there's a Whole Foods right
(24:24):
in fact, right across from the radio station here, there's
a Whole Foods and I've been in there maybe a
half dozen times, and it's a well stocked It's got
everything you're gonna need. Right, It just may be in
behind brand names that you don't necessarily recognize. Well, Amazon
recognizes that aspect of it and is doing something in
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a specific store in Pennsylvania, a little town called Plymouth Meeting,
And at their Whole Foods in Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania, they
have built in the back a ten thousand square foot
automated micro fulfillment center, think an Amazon warehouse, right where
they got all those robots and people running around pulling
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orders and sticking them in boxes.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
To send them to your house.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
But they do this with grocery items, and it's grocery
items that you're not going to find on the shelf
out in the front of the store. They're trying to
compete with the Walmarts of the world and the Krogers
of the world by bringing you some of those same
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products that you might stop somewhere else to get and
then get your iceberg kale or well, I don't know
what kind of kales are there. You get a special
kind of kale and you get it from Whole Foods
or something like that. And what's interesting is that it's
not going well. Amazon since it took over Whole Foods
(25:58):
has struggled to kind of crack into the market of
grocery stores even I mean, it existed and in sort
of its own niche area, but it hasn't really advanced
any more than that. Whole Foods has some brand acute equity.
I guess you could say that took forty plus years
for it to build. And a guy who used to
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work Chris Walton, used to work for Target and he
was running specifically frozen foods for the Target Corporation, and
he talked about the analysis that they would go through
everything from patterns of shopping by their customers, literally mapping
out which products would be available on which shelves and
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in which order in their stores to try to maximize
customer and what would you call it customer impact, I suppose,
and what customers want and what they don't want spells
out very quickly in grocery stores. It's very easy to
figure out what we want and what we don't want.
And his argument is, if you're going to Whole Foods,
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you don't want a bag of hot cheetos and talkies.
You're just going to go to Whole Foods to get
your probiotic soda, some Greek yogurt and kale. It won't wilt,
which is funny because the idea that you would go
there for anything else is a little bit strange. What
(27:23):
I've never understood was grocery is a local game. And
again this is a guy who's worked in the industry,
so he's writing this out.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Grocery is a local game.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
He says, that's the reason why Whole Foods has existed
for as long as it has, as this is his
quote as the beneficiary of a second planned gro trip.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
How many times do you do this? How many times
you go to your local grocery store.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Maybe you grab some produce, maybe you pick up a
I don't know of frozen pizza is something like that.
But you know there are specific products you want to
get only from Whole Foods that secondary planned grocery trip.
And he writes that if Amazon wants to get into
the primary trip game, they have to displace the incumbents,
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think Walmart's and the other big stores. But you also
have to do it from a place of strategic disadvantage
in terms of store count because I mentioned Walmart. Walmart
has more than four thousand, five hundred stores across the
United States, Kroger almost three thousand stores, aldi twenty five
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hundred stores, and Whole Foods.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
A tiny fraction of that.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Whole Foods operates just over five hundred stores throughout the
United States. I mean, there's another player in all of
this that's kind of doing an end around around Whole Foods,
and that's Dollar General. Dollar General's trying to get into
the grocery business, and I mean they're doing a pretty
good job. They have some pretty basic grocery staples that
you could easily stop by your local Dollar General in
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your tiny little town and not have to drive forty
miles to go to Whole Foods to try to get
something that's more packed with plus Jeremiah bread. No Ezekiel bread, sorry, wrong,
Old Testament guy. Is Ezekiel bread or something like that
that's really healthy? I know, and it's not bad, but
(29:19):
it can be expensive and you got to go. You know,
they're not really good. You're not gonna find it at
a Dollar General, I can guarantee you.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
But sometimes you can find it at Target.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
At Target, yes, and I know at my Vaughn's and
Ralph's I have two of the well, they're kind of
equidistant from my house. They both carry that stuff, some
of that stuff, but they tend to mark it up
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
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Speaker 2 (29:42):
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Speaker 2 (00:09):
Told you that Peter, our dog, had a very social
weekend when we went for the family reunion. We took
him up with us into Central California. My sister's got
a couple of dogs. My aunt has a dog. There
was a neighbor cousin that had another dog that came over.
He was busy playing the entire time.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
You said you were worried that when he would come
back home and there were no other dogs, that he
may be bored.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, for one thing, he was asleep for a day
and a half.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
Yeah, tuppered out.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
It was funny because I was laughing as we're driving home.
He's asleep in the backseat of the car. I'm thinking
if I did that, if I went for a weekend
and did nothing but played like I don't know, flag
football with like you do a Thanksgiving for example, Right,
you get together, you play flag football. It's the first
time in months you've done anything athletic, and you're.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Sore for four days.
Speaker 2 (01:01):
Yeah, I wonder if he had that same feeling, like
where his little dog muscles sore from playing constantly for
hours and hours at a time when he doesn't do
that regularly.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
I assume they have to be right.
Speaker 2 (01:17):
So, but now he's looking up and wondering where the
other dogs are.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
So what do you tell him they're gone?
Speaker 2 (01:26):
Yeah, because I don't know if he's going to remember
them next time, Like he sees them next time and
he's like, hey, I remember that.
Speaker 3 (01:32):
But well, what have you read about dog's memories? Not much.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
I assume he smells them and like they smell familiar.
That's supposed to be super important, much more so than
I would. He doesn't smell me and go, oh, I
know you. Oh, I'm sure he does. Okay, you can't
not smell you and not remember you.
Speaker 3 (01:51):
Is that what it is? Yeah?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
It says that dogs do you remember other dogs after
long periods separation because of that scent.
Speaker 2 (02:04):
Boredom a lot of times for animals can stem from
lack of mental stimulation or opportunities to control certain aspects
of their environment. That leads to frustration or stress, which
can lead to health issues.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
One of the things that.
Speaker 2 (02:17):
I looked at a lot of when we got this
puppy was whether or not. They like a crate, you know,
to create train your dog so that that's what place
where they can sleep. That's a place that they are
comfortable in because a lot of times if you don't
do it early on, they're not comfortable being in that place.
But that dogs, especially terriers, like that, like confined places
(02:41):
and they feel safer in there. So the crate that
we have that he sleeps in is covered and it's
kind of tucked away so it's not in the.
Speaker 3 (02:48):
Main flow of traffic.
Speaker 2 (02:50):
He can go there any time he wants and he
can sleep and he's never I shouldn't say never. After
maybe three or four days of training, he's really never
had a problem with it. That's probably where he feels safe.
Speaker 3 (03:02):
And secure and comfortable. So that's why we took it
with us.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
You know that he had the familiar familiarity of it.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
Did he use it at all? Yeah? Oh yeah, he
needed a little me time. Yeah yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:15):
I mean, obviously he wants to be a social and
he wants to continue, but he also knows that he's
got to shut it down right wile the destructive behavior
that you see in a dog, for example, chewing furniture,
digging holes, leg licking their own legs, not your legs.
Attention seeking behavior like barking or whining. All of that
(03:38):
is probably because you're not doing enough to entertain your dogs.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
They're also.
Speaker 2 (03:45):
Dogs specifically cats to a degree, but dogs specifically. A
lot of them have built in jobs that they're supposed
to do or that they're good at, and if they
don't do those jobs, they get really bored.
Speaker 3 (03:57):
And that can be very traumatic for them. Birds.
Speaker 2 (04:02):
Birds will sometimes self harm head bobbing and pacing board
parrots can become aggressive. Betas and goldfish do benefit from stimulation,
so think of puzzles. Just set up an iPad in
front of your fish pole and keep your entertained.
Speaker 3 (04:22):
Get them hooked on the screens early. I mean, why not.
You know you're going to do it anyway, You might
as well.
Speaker 1 (04:28):
Did you let us know what you're watching on this
what you watch on Wednesday? Let us know, use the
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Screen to get addicted to the screens, look at the
screen all the time.
Speaker 3 (04:42):
The screen is there, now you might as well take
advantage of.
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It exactly exactly, and furthermore, if you're not following the podcast.
How are you getting the bonus podcast every week? You're
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the bonus podcast. And in the bonus podcast, this one
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Did you disappoint at me? Yeah? Oh, potty mouth, potty putty.
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Speaker 3 (05:20):
They told us we can't take pictures, and I was like, sir,
we've worked here for twenty years. I don't care.
Speaker 2 (05:25):
Folks Moose out front should have told you no commercial pictures.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Furthermore, how was he coming to work every day during
COVID when nobody was Furthermore, he hasn't been seen since.
Speaker 3 (05:37):
Yeah, you got him fired. You're damn right.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
I did.
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Strange Science, Straight Shame. It's like weird science, but strange.
Speaker 1 (07:04):
It's weird doing strange science. On a Wednesday, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (07:09):
It's not Wednesday. To screw me up? Stop it. I
was trying to go along with you. No, no need. Okay,
you want to start with black holes? Oh boy? Or or.
Speaker 1 (07:25):
Do you want to talk about bees and their ability
to process time?
Speaker 3 (07:29):
Let's do it alphabetically. Okay. You had to think about
that for a second, didn't you. Yeah? Okay.
Speaker 2 (07:35):
Researchers designed a maze to test the ability of a
b bee to distinguish between long and short flashes of light.
Bumblebees can process the duration of flashes of light and
use that information to decide where to look for food.
Speaker 3 (07:51):
Who would think of this experiment?
Speaker 2 (07:54):
That's the part, that's the one that I'm most concerned about,
they said. The first evidence of such an ability in
insects is what they found. Their discovery could help settle
this debate among scientists again, great party conversation, whether insects
are able to process complex patterns. To reach the finding,
(08:14):
they set up a maze through which individual bees would
travel when they left their nest to forage for food.
They presented the insects with two visual cues, one circle
that would light up with a short flash and one
that would light up with a long flash, and as
they approached those respective circles, they'd find sweet food that
they liked at one and then a bitter food that
(08:34):
they don't like at the other.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
The researchers say bumblebees are one of only a small
number of animals, including humans and macoqx and pigeons. Interesting group,
isn't it us bumble bees, macox and pigeons that have
been able to differentiate between short and long flashes, in
(08:57):
this case between point five and five seconds.
Speaker 3 (09:00):
This ability is what helps us to.
Speaker 1 (09:02):
Understand morse code, right, Okay, but isn't that a weird grouping?
Speaker 2 (09:08):
That is a very weird grouping? And I don't know why,
I mean, where does it come from? How do we
develop that? Or was it just an absolutely what the.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Bible says about that?
Speaker 2 (09:20):
About what about I don't think it says much about
time delineation based on an experiment with bumblebees.
Speaker 3 (09:28):
I haven't read the whole thing.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
I was just wondering if there's anything in there about
macoux and pigeons and bees and humans.
Speaker 2 (09:39):
I I'm at a loss. I don't think there are
monkeys that are ted.
Speaker 3 (09:47):
I don't think so. Either, but I'm gonna look at it.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
I don't think pigeons are mentioned, although they maybe, and
I'm pretty certain bumblebees aren't.
Speaker 3 (09:55):
Well, I don't know.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
There's a lot of words in there could be a lot.
The other one is black holes. Scients have gotten at
the bottom of a mystery of an impossible merger between
black holes detected via ripples in space time called gravitational.
Speaker 3 (10:10):
Waves back in twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2 (10:12):
The collision happened about seven billion light years away. That's
a measure of distance involved in a smashup of two
black holes. It seemed to be forbidden, which means shouldn't
physically be able to happen because there are enormous masses
in the incredible rate at which they were spinning. But
they said it shouldn't exist according to current theories of
(10:33):
how stellar mass black holes from form when massive stars
collapse and explode like a supernova. But the researchers now
said that at the FLATIRN Institute's Center for Computational Astrophysics
great holiday party that recreated the evolution through the lives
of the progenitor stars all the way through their supernova death.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
Monkeys, pigeons, and bees are all mentioned in the Bible.
What monkeys talking about King Solomon imports of course talking
about how wealthy that he was, and the kingdom was mentioned.
Pigeons excuse me, are mentioned in the Bible, particularly as
part of sacrificial.
Speaker 3 (11:11):
Offerings and ritual.
Speaker 1 (11:13):
And then bees of course mentioned in the Bible to
symbolize things like God's blessings and provision, for example, the
promised land flowing with milk and honey, the ferocity of
an enemy attack, chase to as bees do, also the.
Speaker 3 (11:28):
Sweetness of God's wisdom.
Speaker 1 (11:30):
Great, those are all Sampson finds a swarm of bees
and honey and the carcass of a lion he had killed.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
Are you sure those were bees? Yeah? Okay, what did
you think they were maggots? No? Okay, I mean I didn't.
Speaker 2 (11:45):
I'm not familiar with that specific story about the bees
in it.
Speaker 3 (11:48):
It's like in Candy Man the movie.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
So I'm also not familiar with that. Those are all
Old Testament. That's funny that they're all Old Testament references.
It makes sense though, right, Yeah, yeah, The Old Testament is.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
Vast, vast. The first book, first half, Gary.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
And Shannon will continue more than half it's a lot.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
How come we don't do Bible Thursdays?
Speaker 2 (12:14):
We could start Chukarasaurus Dripienda. It's called a titanosaur, estimated
at nearly one hundred feet in length. This obviously is
a scientific breakthrough, not simply because of its dimensions, but
(12:34):
for the havoc it reeked during its extraction. They said
the bones were so massive that they actually fractured a
paved road during the transportation from the dig site to
Buenos Aires. Physical Magnitude says it's one of the most
imposing titanosaurs ever recovered. It is the fossil's anatomy, they said,
(12:58):
specifically the proportions of its im bones that caught the
attention because, unlike other titanosaurs giants with these big pillar
like legs, they said, this one skipped leg day unusually
slender appendicular bones, suggesting a different evolutionary pathway to its
extreme size.
Speaker 1 (13:18):
Appendicular You heard me. That reminds me of a word
we learned yesterday, Galactia, which is the most two days
agostines it.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Oh, I can't forget it. Galactia.
Speaker 1 (13:36):
If you missed it, first of all, grab the podcast
because you don't want to miss what galactia is. In fact,
you know what, I'm not even gonna tell you. Go
back in, check it out. It'll be worth it. It's
a perfect, perfect tease. People are going to jump at that.
Speaker 3 (13:53):
And then they're going to be very angry at you
until they find out what galactyria is. Hey, tomorrow, come
on out.
Speaker 2 (14:00):
This is your last chance to feign some sort of
food poison.
Speaker 3 (14:03):
Remember, nobody asks to follow up.
Speaker 5 (14:06):
Now.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
If you call in diarrhea or galactia, you're good.
Speaker 3 (14:10):
You're golden.
Speaker 2 (14:11):
We are going to be live tomorrow at China Sorry
in Chino Hills at Lucidoor Brewing Company to help kick
off their Hops in the Hills event, to which of course,
goes to support the Chino Hills Fire Foundation. We'll be
out there tomorrow giving away tickets to the weekend of
beer Fest and among other things, we have some tickets,
(14:32):
we have some swag, they have some swag that they're
going to be given away. And there will be confirmed
special guests in the audience tomorrow.
Speaker 3 (14:41):
How many unclear? I know, Uh, we're still waiting for
a couple of special guests.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, but maybe I don't know, maybybe more maybe a
surprise special guest.
Speaker 3 (14:54):
So tell me that's already tomorrow. Can you believe what
are you gonna wear tomorrow? Unclear? Aless pants? Again?
Speaker 1 (14:59):
No, that was yeah, because remember you're gonna dance on
the bar tomorrow. That's the last news and bers of
the year, and we promised.
Speaker 3 (15:05):
I feel like even Chino Hills would disagree with that.
Well last permission. Oh great, I'm sure everybody would appreciate that.
Are you gonna wear hard pants? Yes?
Speaker 1 (15:17):
Okay, so we're not gonna wear the ones like the
warm up pants with the buttons.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
And on the sides. So you're not gonna do that
because that was the original plan.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Well, I'm just gonna rip them away when you're on
top of the bar.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
I'm gonna make it more difficult, because you know what,
play hard to get.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
Absolutely make them chase you.
Speaker 4 (15:34):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 5 (15:41):
Hey, Gary Shannon, love you guys. You're great. You're keeping
you laughing. I just had a realization. You guys are
the twenty first century equivalent of George Burns and Gracie Allen,
and that's problem. You guys have a great day.
Speaker 3 (15:55):
Thank you, Burns and Allen.
Speaker 6 (15:57):
Hey Gary, Hey Shannon, Hey Gary. I hear you have
a tattoo on your your buttocks Oracles Stadium? Is that true?
Is that why you wear a speed out? All right, Gary,
your stud good job.
Speaker 2 (16:15):
If I had a tattoo on my buttocks, Why would
I wear the speedo to cover the tattoo?
Speaker 3 (16:21):
Well, it's a very it's a thong speedo. Oh it is.
Speaker 1 (16:24):
Yeah, it's a racing stripe an ass less speedo. I
don't know how that would work, I mean, resilient speedo.
Would you get a tattoo of Oracle Park? Would that
be the park you got? If you were to tattoo
your ass, what.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
Would it be on my butt?
Speaker 1 (16:43):
I mean, as much as I loved Candlestick, I would
not tattoo Candlestick on my ass.
Speaker 3 (16:49):
First of all, yes, never mind.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
I wanted to know what self deprecating line was going
to come out of your mouth.
Speaker 1 (16:57):
It would make Candlestick could do so small. Candlestick Park
has never looked so small.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
You can do Candlestick Park and Candlestick Point and good
section of the bay right there.
Speaker 3 (17:11):
Oh my god, what were we talking about? I think
I could see the Bay Bridge from here. Seriously, what
were we talking.
Speaker 2 (17:22):
We're talking about layoffs and peoples and AI is getting crazy. Obviously,
training AI has become a job. The AI giants, those
companies that are coming down the pike with all these
new AI tools desperately need money and energy and information.
(17:45):
We know that, right That's that's how they have started,
or that's how they've gotten to where they are now,
that's how they progressed, but they also need at this point,
they still need humans in the process. CEOs for these
AI companies have promised there will be people in the
pipeline the entire time, somewhat as a safeguard. I think
(18:07):
that's the kind of feeling, but it's not clear if
that means that humans would be the ones making the
consequential decisions, or that we would simply review all of
the work that the AI has done and then take
the wheel in case of an emergency, which would amount
to unplugging the computer. We've all seen that movie where
(18:27):
you try to unplug the computer and it still goes.
They say that right now, humans are a key part
of the loop that act as mechanical turks of generative
AI magic like the eighteenth century chess automaton that was
steered by a hidden master. They said that AI trainers
(18:50):
perform unseen labor to make machines appear smarter than they
actually are.
Speaker 3 (18:54):
There are different companies using different.
Speaker 2 (18:58):
AI models that they had then and kind of pear down,
steer in the right direction, if you want to call it.
That change the queries that you use to figure. It's
to help AI figure things out. Uber announced it a
new initiative to allow drivers to perform some simple AI
tasks to make money during the times they're not driving,
things like help self driving tech companies develop tech they
(19:22):
would help train robots to drive and eventually put Uber drivers.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
Out of business.
Speaker 2 (19:27):
Amazon announced augmented reality glasses this month that are designed
to help delivery drivers do their jobs more safely.
Speaker 1 (19:36):
We're just talking to somebody who works here who used
AI for for his job purposes, and you said to him, oh,
so you use an AI now, And he goes, yeah,
I gave up. It works really well. I use it
all the time for everything.
Speaker 3 (19:54):
I'm not saying I haven't. I haven't used it.
Speaker 2 (19:57):
In fact, I'm pretty astounded at the things that it
would come up with. For example, as specific as you
want a fireball in your backyard or fire pit or
whatever they call them. You can tell almost any one
of these different AI prompts, rock chatchpt whichever one, come
(20:20):
up with a list of five fireballs that would fit
my backyard or fit appropriately, that would have this kind
of ignition, the old fashion or the bluetooth ignition or however,
or that would fit in with my home automation system
that I have, and it will come up with It
(20:40):
will come up with this list for you and in
some cases provide you the links to the website where
you can buy.
Speaker 3 (20:48):
That thing in a moment.
Speaker 2 (20:49):
Well, not only whatever research you were going to do
for weeks at a time now takes place in sex.
Speaker 1 (20:55):
It's wonderful and you don't even need to seek it out.
Your AIS come to you most of the time if
you're just googling.
Speaker 2 (21:03):
That's the worrisome part. Case files all of it, All
of the web browsers now, Microsoft, Edge, Eye, Safari, they
will put their AI results up front. Yeah, because a
lot of time it actually answers your question more more
succinctly than it would if you were to go through
and try to find that same information.
Speaker 1 (21:22):
I wonder if they have done something to get rid
of the hallucinations that were picking up steam in terms
of people knowing about them, of AI just making things up,
Like what was the purpose of the AI hallucinations where
it would just make things up?
Speaker 3 (21:36):
What was the purpose of that?
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Was that to see how dumb we are, to see
if we fall for everything?
Speaker 3 (21:41):
If the computer was probing to see how dumb we were.
Speaker 1 (21:44):
Yeah, Like, I want to know more about those, like
if they're not happening anymore, and if when they were,
if they were put in there for a specific purpose.
Speaker 2 (21:53):
I was talking to a friend who works in the
visual arts and we were discussing the visuals of AI
and how they've changed recently, recently within the last few
weeks of it's so much better now. Even the still images,
the moving images that have come out that don't do
(22:14):
things like the hands were always really hard for AI
to get accurate, and you could see if you looked
closely at some of these videos, fingers would meld into
each other and then separate and they would be extra hands,
and that was really hard for it to figure out.
The newly created videos have figured that out, So whatever
(22:34):
as it continues to learn from itself and continues to
learn from our feedback, which is that didn't look like
a real hand. It's got to be doing the same
thing when it comes to those hallucinations that you're talking about.
If we can give it the feedback of that doesn't
make sense, that never happened, it's you know, it will
tell itself teach itself not to make up stuff.
Speaker 3 (22:57):
We hope.
Speaker 4 (23:00):
If you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
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Speaker 2 (23:07):
You know that they have developed, over the course of
several years, a couple decades worth of shopping an interesting niche.
Speaker 3 (23:16):
When it comes to groceries.
Speaker 2 (23:19):
Customers are willing to pay premium prices at Whole Foods
because they trust the brand. They made a point of
trying to provide healthier alternatives than you might find in
other grocery stores. They had a culture that would attract
employees who believed in that mission, a clear point of
(23:40):
differentiation in what otherwise is a crowded marketplace when it
comes to all the different places that you can buy groceries.
And then Amazon bought them, and Amazon has come in
and according to a couple of people who watched that industry,
have Amazon's kind of suck the fun out of Whole Foods. Well,
in my mind, it was never really fun. I felt
(24:02):
quite put out every time I've been into a Whole Foods.
My wife goes there a whole lot more often than
I do and said a lot of times, those people
in Whole Foods are just not friendly. Not necessarily the employees,
just the people who go to Whole Foods are not friendly. Well,
Amazon has rolled in and there's a Whole Foods right
(24:24):
in fact, right across from the radio station here, there's
a Whole Foods and I've been in there maybe a
half dozen times, and it's a well stocked It's got
everything you're gonna need. Right, It just may be in
behind brand names that you don't necessarily recognize. Well, Amazon
recognizes that aspect of it and is doing something in
(24:47):
a specific store in Pennsylvania, a little town called Plymouth Meeting,
And at their Whole Foods in Plymouth Meeting, Pennsylvania, they
have built in the back a ten thousand square foot
automated micro fulfillment center, think an Amazon warehouse, right where
they got all those robots and people running around pulling
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orders and sticking them in boxes.
Speaker 3 (25:10):
To send them to your house.
Speaker 2 (25:11):
But they do this with grocery items, and it's grocery
items that you're not going to find on the shelf
out in the front of the store. They're trying to
compete with the Walmarts of the world and the Krogers
of the world by bringing you some of those same
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products that you might stop somewhere else to get and
then get your iceberg kale or well, I don't know
what kind of kales are there. You get a special
kind of kale and you get it from Whole Foods
or something like that. And what's interesting is that it's
not going well. Amazon since it took over Whole Foods
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has struggled to kind of crack into the market of
grocery stores even I mean, it existed and in sort
of its own niche area, but it hasn't really advanced
any more than that. Whole Foods has some brand acute equity.
I guess you could say that took forty plus years
for it to build. And a guy who used to
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work Chris Walton, used to work for Target and he
was running specifically frozen foods for the Target Corporation, and
he talked about the analysis that they would go through
everything from patterns of shopping by their customers, literally mapping
out which products would be available on which shelves and
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in which order in their stores to try to maximize
customer and what would you call it customer impact, I suppose,
and what customers want and what they don't want spells
out very quickly in grocery stores. It's very easy to
figure out what we want and what we don't want.
And his argument is, if you're going to Whole Foods,
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you don't want a bag of hot cheetos and talkies.
You're just going to go to Whole Foods to get
your probiotic soda, some Greek yogurt and kale. It won't wilt,
which is funny because the idea that you would go
there for anything else is a little bit strange. What
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I've never understood was grocery is a local game. And
again this is a guy who's worked in the industry,
so he's writing this out.
Speaker 3 (27:31):
Grocery is a local game.
Speaker 2 (27:32):
He says, that's the reason why Whole Foods has existed
for as long as it has, as this is his
quote as the beneficiary of a second planned gro trip.
Speaker 3 (27:42):
How many times do you do this? How many times
you go to your local grocery store.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Maybe you grab some produce, maybe you pick up a
I don't know of frozen pizza is something like that.
But you know there are specific products you want to
get only from Whole Foods that secondary planned grocery trip.
And he writes that if Amazon wants to get into
the primary trip game, they have to displace the incumbents,
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think Walmart's and the other big stores. But you also
have to do it from a place of strategic disadvantage
in terms of store count because I mentioned Walmart. Walmart
has more than four thousand, five hundred stores across the
United States, Kroger almost three thousand stores, aldi twenty five
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hundred stores, and Whole Foods.
Speaker 3 (28:37):
A tiny fraction of that.
Speaker 2 (28:38):
Whole Foods operates just over five hundred stores throughout the
United States. I mean, there's another player in all of
this that's kind of doing an end around around Whole Foods,
and that's Dollar General. Dollar General's trying to get into
the grocery business, and I mean they're doing a pretty
good job. They have some pretty basic grocery staples that
you could easily stop by your local Dollar General in
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your tiny little town and not have to drive forty
miles to go to Whole Foods to try to get
something that's more packed with plus Jeremiah bread. No Ezekiel bread, sorry, wrong,
Old Testament guy. Is Ezekiel bread or something like that
that's really healthy? I know, and it's not bad, but
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it can be expensive and you got to go. You know,
they're not really good. You're not gonna find it at
a Dollar General, I can guarantee you.
Speaker 3 (29:24):
But sometimes you can find it at Target.
Speaker 2 (29:26):
At Target, yes, and I know at my Vaughn's and
Ralph's I have two of the well, they're kind of
equidistant from my house. They both carry that stuff, some
of that stuff, but they tend to mark it up
a little bit.
Speaker 3 (29:40):
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