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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to kf
I A M. Six forty, The Gary and Shannon Show
on demand on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
We've got to have we've got to get everybody out
there at something.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We don't have people who work here anymore. I don't
know if you've seen the memos, but everyone's been.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Fired, six of us. How Elma would play? Yeah? But who?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Like, I'm sorry, Eric, Eric might play? Does Eric play?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And he would? I don't know if he's any good?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I know he's in shape, but is he athletic? I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Elmer, when's the last time you played baseball? Softball through
a ball? Probably like last year? Okay, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You played grown up.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes, I'm Dominican, so say it like that. I am.
That's true.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I'm legitimate, like I'm just good at baseball, like just
because I'm Dominican.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
That's amazing news. Okay, So Elmer, you me.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Steve Sacks.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Steve Sas is not going to play on our stupid
you don't know what I do embarrass us by asking
Steve Sacks if it'll come to play on our team.
We don't even haven't enough to field one team, let
alone two.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Maybe we just play over the line or something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
But I think I know what you're on too.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I think starting the show with Steve Sachs is like
starting the show with.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
A shot at tequila.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Right, It's like, all right, let's go, let's do this show.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And he wasn't. There wasn't a lot of negotiation that
went into getting him. He was just right there. Yeah,
And we said hey, can you come on? And he
said yes, yeah. Period, There was no right, I mean
I was pretty aggressive. Yeah, but well but you know
that's my wearing rainbow bright jacket today. It's hard to
say no to that exactly. We were talking about AI.
(01:46):
We'll talk about it a little bit later, I think
as well. But there was this there's this statistic I
saw that about fifty one percent of the stuff that
we see on the Internet is now created by AI.
They were talking specifically about articles written. News organizations have
(02:10):
been using it. Other places, blogs et cetera. Have been
using AI to create blog posts, to create articles, et cetera.
That you see and it's in I mean, it's terrifying,
crazy number compared to what it was even six months
or a year ago.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
It's like, set aside what you think about journalists. You know,
let's go on our time machine and go back thirty
years when you could pretty much trust what you read
in newspapers and in publications online. And then now it's
not only can you not trust them and their bias
is going to shine through what is supposed to be
unbiased reporting, but now it may not even be a journalist,
(02:49):
and it may just be an AI conglomeration of information
computers find out there and put together in one article
for you. And so you really need to do your homework.
You really have to take everything you read with a
grain of salt. Nothing is trustworthy anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, there's something called the dead Internet theory, and I
think in the twelve o'clock hour we may jump into
this a little bit more. But Alex Alexis o'hannian, who
is one of the co founders of Reddit, and then
Sam Altman, a co founder of open Ai, have been
warning about this dead Internet theory, which is that the
Internet is dominated by bots that are creating things and
(03:30):
not actual humans that are creating things. Some people have
dismissed this whole thing as a conspiracy theory, but now
they're saying, actually, we thought it was impossible, and now
that we see statistics like fifty one percent of the
articles that are written are written by AI, maybe this
is something that we need to be concerned about. I
(03:52):
don't listen. AI is it can be really fun and
creating those videos of Tupac and mister Rogers that can
be really fun, and that's entertaining, But holy crap, theory
is a downside to this, and I think we have
to be careful. I don't even know if we have
the capability of being careful enough with that sort of
thing to protect ourselves. Yeay, everything fine, everything fine, I
(04:17):
kind of have a one track mine right now. Your
vertical shorts, yeah, space Wars, yep, that's a lot of Well.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I think it came together when I cast Biractar in
the commercial break and it came out of nowhere. Dean
Sharp was walking down the hall and I thought it
hit me like a train by Ractar. With Dean as
Biractar and you as bumber Puss, we can't lose.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
There's got to be a female lead in there as well.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, Heather's in it, Amy King's going to be in it.
I haven't figured out what Amy King's going to wear,
because I know what Heather's going to wear. I have
our space suit all conceptualized in my mind. Amy King,
I'm thinking about something kind of crazy, a lot of colors.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, take some inspiration from
your jacket. Okay, I'm feeling very left out right. I
knew that was coming, and I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I didn't know you had interest. I would love for
you to be in.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The project, nothing else. I mean, you're the first voiceover
the narration.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I mean you're like.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Out of central casting for Space Wars. I just didn't
think that you had any interest in it.
Speaker 2 (05:18):
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Of course. You know Chef Bruno's charity, Catarina's Club and
the thousands and thousands of meals they provide every week
to kids in need in southern California, And you help
us make that happen.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Donate anytime at KFI AM six forty dot com slash Pastathon.
But Giving Tuesday is going to be our big party.
It'll be our live broadcast December second, five am to
eight pm. Come join us. We do this every year
and it's such a good time. It's at the Anaheim
White House, eight eighty seven South Anaheim Boulevard.
Speaker 2 (05:55):
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a Dodgers game with us in one of the great
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Speaker 1 (06:13):
Yeah, it is an experience to sit in the suite
watch the Dodgers.
Speaker 3 (06:18):
Always a beautiful day out there.
Speaker 1 (06:19):
Auctions are opened through ten pm on December second, so
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Speaker 2 (06:30):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty. He's gay, she straight. They're married and
expecting a baby. That's the That's the headline in an
article that showed up. This one happens to be NBC's
version of it, but it was also in The Washington
(06:50):
Post recently about a I'll use finger quotes around it,
A redefinition of what marriage is Samantha Greenstone and Jacob
haw have what they say is a mixed orientation marriage,
and they describe their partnership as a testament to how
(07:13):
love and commitment can flourish beyond traditional labels. They are
just about to celebrate their first wedding anniversary, Samantha and Jacob.
She is pregnant with their first child. They cross paths
ten years ago or so. At they said a callback
(07:36):
for Fiddler on the Roof and he said that they
like to tell the story. He heard her before he
even saw her. While he's in the lobby waiting for
his callback. He was startled by what was a sudden
cackle that he said, pierce the theater walls. That's nice,
(07:56):
and he said, it's so loud. People start giggling. And
in my head, I'm thinking, this is a woman who
doesn't give an f about anything in the best way possible.
I know people like that. And when she left the
auditorium with other hopefuls, he knew that that blonde with
the big old energy was the person with that laugh
and said if walked right up to her, and he said,
(08:17):
if they don't give you the part, they're crazy. And
she remembers thinking if I don't get this there all
out of their minds. But I'd never had someone just
up to come up to me and validate me like that.
They both got roles in the show. They were both,
they said, inseparable. They would stay up until four in
the morning. He would often crash on her couch. Their
(08:40):
friendship grew deeper even after the show. She said she
always surrounded herself with gay guys. She said she's like
Lady Gaga, but that she never really felt anything romantic
in terms of any sort of attraction towards them, and
(09:01):
Jacob said he also only surrounded himself with gay guys
for different reasons, of course, but couldn't explain why. They
both had this attraction to each other. And it may
not have been a physical attraction, but it was an
interpersonal attraction. So a couple of years later, Samantha visits
(09:22):
an energy healer who asked if she was seeing anyone.
This energy healer says to Samantha, Hey, something's going on
with you right now. Are you in a relationship with somebody?
I don't know why it rose to the level that
it did in my head in terms of being interesting,
(09:46):
other than I think we all probably know or at
least anecdotally no stories of people who come out later
in life. They were married, they had kids, and then
realized they had a same sex attraction. They ended their
mayriae in many cases and started dating somebody in their
own gender. Whatever. The gay guy gets married and realizes
(10:06):
when he's forty five he's gay and stops the marriage, whatever,
All of those things happen. I also knew a couple
when I was in college. I knew a couple. He
was gay and she was lesbian, and they got married.
This obviously before gay marriage was legal, although I guess
would that be gay marriage anyway. But they did it
for tax purposes. I don't know where they are now.
(10:29):
I mean that was twenty thirty years ago. I don't
know where they are, but they got married for tax purposes.
They were nice to each other and friends, but there
was nothing else going on. This article. That's again shown
up in a couple of different places with Samantha and Jacob.
She's straight, he's gay, but they're married and they're expecting
a child, and they struggled to figure out why they
(10:53):
were even attracted to each other, and again not physically apparently,
although I guess there is some of that too, I
read into this article. But Samantha visits what she described
as an energy healer who asked if she was actually
in a relationship with anybody, So you're seeing anybody? And
she hesitated. Now, obviously Jacob was the guy in her life,
(11:15):
but they hadn't done anything at this point because she
knew that he was gay. And the energy healer tells Samantha,
whoever you're thinking of, you now share a spiritual umbilical
cord with that person, and Samantha said, it put into
words what I felt towards Jacob, and she said, okay,
(11:38):
I'm not crazy. So then she texts her friend Jacob
and asks, do you ever have feelings for me as
more than a friend? And he eventually wrote, of course
I do. I know what you mean. So they look
around and they don't have a roadmap for how this
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is supposed to go. She's straight, he's gay, but they're
falling in love question mark, and he explained, I was
afraid it wasn't going to work out because she's a woman,
And somehow it does, and yes they do it. They
get it on, and Samantha says, we have a healthy
sex life, and Jacob says it's wonderful. Intimacy they say
(12:23):
is not the focus of their relationship, which by the way,
is monogamous. And supposedly they will both notice a handsome
man together look at that fine piece, but that's where
it ends. And she says, our priority is our connection.
And she says, we focus on that feeling. What does
(12:44):
true love feel like? And she says, for me, it's Jacob.
It's a deep emotional bond. It's built on mutual respect
and admiration. And I mean these two people are talking.
They are deeply in love with each other. Jacob says,
samanthas filled my life with meaning and pushes not just
(13:04):
me but everyone around her to be the best version
of themselves at any given time. That's nice. They have
chronicled all this on social media. That's the one aspect
of this that I think is probably not necessary. I
love my wife deeply. She's filled my life with meaning.
(13:27):
She pushes not just me, but everyone around her to
be the best version of themselves at any given time.
I am echoing what Jacob says about his wife. I
say that about my wife, but I don't have to.
I don't have to post that on social media for
validation in any way. Jacob says he understands why people
are curious about all of this, you know, he says,
(13:48):
I get it. I'm in a marriage with a woman,
might which might make you think I'm bisexual, but he says,
I am just gay, old fashioned gay, not bisexual. He said.
The only group, the only species I'm attracted to. That's
not the correct use of the word species, but the
only one I'm attracted to is male, he said, with
(14:10):
one exception, and that's my wife. Again. It's a I've
never heard of that kind of a relationship before, where
they're open about it with each other, and it's been
relatively successful. I guess I wish the best for them.
They haven't revealed anything about the baby's due date, but
(14:31):
the expectation is that the baby will come before their
first anniversary. She hints that she's very well along, mentioning
how Jacob has to put her shoes on before they
go on a walk because her belly's hanging over. He's
been doing the cooking. She has a bunch of food
aversions that's always fun, which always making sure she stays hydrated,
(14:54):
make sure she stays comfortable. They said, actually, there's some
quot question. Other people have questioned the authenticity of this.
Some have said that it is a lavender marriage, that
she is a beard, and they insist the whole thing
is monogamous. It is meaningful. They don't have to fit
(15:15):
into weird categories or straight laced categories. And when they
started telling people about the baby on the way, there
were a couple of people who said, well, this is
unfair to the child. But Samantha says, we're only going
to show our baby love because the relationship is rooted
in love. You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand
(15:36):
from KFI AM six forty five second trick to keep
someone from yelling at the kids? Why are you not yelling?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Instead of yelling at the kids, slap them?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Is that the trick? No, that's not weird, it's any
other guess that's all I got. Kicking kicking, damn it,
you are funny. That's all I got. All I got
is slaping them. Where else do you go from there?
There's some tools in my no kid having the tool.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Kid, The only tool I have is to slap What else?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
What is everybody else out there doing? It's serious. I
don't even know.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
This.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
I think that this is a valid point, but I
I like, if you ever have those things in life
where you're like, you read it and you're like, that
makes total sense, but I still don't like it, you.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Know what I mean? Like it and you consider yourself
to be a rational person because some of it and
I think something this may fall into this category. Some
of it is like the obvious, duh, of course I
should do this thing, but I don't want to. Yeah,
in the event, and this is one of these times
(16:49):
talking about like a kid makes a mess, I don't
want to wait the five seconds. I don't want to
count in my head. I want to give them a
true account of how that made me feel.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
But sometimes you regret that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
One of my girlfriends, she's got a three year old daughter,
and she said the other day she wouldn't stop crying.
And I'm driving the car and she actually won't stop crying.
She's crying about nothing, and I told her I'm going
to throw you out the window right there, And that's
how she felt in that moment. But by the time
she spoke to me about it, she's like, I probably
shouldn't have said, like I probably.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Should have waited the five seconds.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
But I think the mess thing that is is a
particularly important piece because when you talk about a man,
let's a kid drops a glass of grape juice something
like that. It's an accident. It's clearly an accident. The
kid didn't throw the glass of grape juice on the floor.
They dropped it, and that's an accident. And I've always
(17:50):
had this very I've seen parents blow up a kid's
for that. Will you do You're so stupid, you're such
a klutz or whatever, as opposed to as happens, you
clean it up, but as happens, like, I'm not mad,
you know, I'm sorry, Gosh, that's embarrassing. You look like
an idiot in front of your friends. But we're going
(18:11):
to clean it up. And that's and then we move
past it. Not the if you're losing your mind when
the kid does something accidentally, that's more about you. Yeah,
it's one thing. They're acting up, they're in the backseat,
misbehaving or disrespecting or whatever.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
But what you're describing it sounds like so just to
be clear, because I feel like we all know, but
maybe the listeners don't is that this woman says that
you take five seconds and calm down, and you treat
your children like a guest. So if a guest were
to spill said grape juice on your carpet, you don't go, what.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
The hell are you doing? I've told you fourteen times
two heads.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Everybody universally says, hey, it's okay, everything's gonna be fine,
but internally you're raging.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You hold it in.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
And maybe that's maybe I just I feel like family
is the place where you can kind of be your
true self, even if with all your flaws as well.
Like I don't I'm not saying you shouldn't try to
be a better person, but I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Like that should be the place where you put the
facade down.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
It's kind of like the way they say that you
should talk to yourself, though, you know, when you're in
your own head sometimes you're really mean to yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Why the F did you do that?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
You freaking idiot? Right?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Whereas if you just in did the same thing that
I just got down on myself for doing, I would
never talk to you that way.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I'd be like, that's okay, don't worry about it, you'll
get it next time.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It would be no thing.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
But we talk to ourselves so awfully. We would never
talk to anybody else like that. We won't talk to
our friends that way.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
True, sometimes we're that way.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
With our family.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
And I don't think we should be as unfiltered as
we are, because we can.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Be really uh mean mean for lack of a better trait,
It's true you.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Blow in my mind.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Shat I think you helped me figure it out is
that I think it's checks and balances, right, because what
I think we've learned in society is that when you
get rid of shame and guilt, it's not necessarily a
good thing for the world at large, right, the masses.
So maybe I'm supposed to feel guilt and shame, but
then I have friends who make me feel better, and
then they balance it out right, so where I'm not
(20:09):
so self deprecating that I actually start to believe that
I'm an idiot and stupid when I make a mistake,
you know what I mean. And that's that's the way
the brain is supposed to work and why we crave
interaction and being around people. And maybe because I just
every time I see this kind of stuff, and I'm
the guy who loves the author. Uh, I'm doctor Tina
Payne Bryson, who she she talks about lowering yourself and
looking up at the kids so that their brain.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, I know, Jerry loves to stand this woman.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I see that you're upset is what you're supposed to
and I get all that. It makes sense to me,
But I also at the same time, I don't like it.
I wish I could be that person. And I have
these fantasies that maybe there are families out there that
never the father, never raises their voice or never knuckled
or thumped their kid in the head like I got,
and they like, they're so much more magical. But I
don't think my life is bad at all. Like I
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don't think my childhood was bad. I don't look back
at any of that, And I don't know, maybe that's it.
Maybe if you have that perspective and you just kind
of adapt and move forward. Because I'm sure there are
lots of people who are doctors who would consider my
father to be abusive in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
But I always felt like to outweigh that, Huh, what
are they going to do now?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Exactly abuse is such a silly word. It can mean much.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You're genuine being abused. Speak clear. Yeah, I was gonna
talk about my life. I've ever been abused. I've never
been abused.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It's overused in some way. It's overused. Thank you, great stuff,
Thank you, thank you, thank thank you.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Oh my gosh, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on
demand from KFI.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
A M six forty Uba is joining us now to
talk about this this new ninety days trying to bs
his way to a million pounds. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Man, Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I love the the sort of beginning discussion. I saw
a write up you talked about the process of trying
to make a million pounds in ninety days and the
difference between old money and new money. Talk about that first.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Yeah, I suppose it's just, you know, I've only just
moved here from London to New York and I've got
cuck croatures, which is awesome, But the just the kind
of I suppose there's a reverence for old money in Britain,
where you know, it is the old world. You know,
we the heads of most industries. People in them like politicians.
(22:30):
Most people were a lot of these people disproportioned. You
went to a small group of schools. You know, they're
kind of all sort of part of the old aristocracy
really and here you just don't have that in the
same way. So you know, you don't have this. It's
all just a little more open, Like you don't have
the same reverence around money. It's just like, this is
how it works. I'm going to go and get it.
(22:51):
So I suppose culturally that was a bit of a
change for me to sort of and it kind of
made sense for me to do this, to do the
project here, you know, during the project, the night and
day as I moved from London to New York. And yeah,
it was fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I make my living obviously doing this, which is weird.
But I'm more fascinated by people who can make money
using social media as a platform. And I know it's
similar to radio and TV, but the amount of money
that's available that people will just throw at influencers, at
(23:25):
social media personalities, doesn't that surprise you? Well, I suppose.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I mean, look, you know, I'm a sort of, as
you said, oou filmmaker, journalist type thing. I didn't go
to college or anything. I sort of started doing it
in my own time, so you know I could. I
have to sort of, you know, thank the Internet for
having a career. I was working in a car factory before.
So I think the thing that I found doing this
film was just where there is money being made at
(23:52):
the moment is in quite interesting places. You know. The
first thing I did, well, one of the first things
I did was managed to get in the room with
a bit lean air and just asked them for a million,
because I just thought, well, they're reasonable, you know, it's
not much to them. Why can't I have a million?
Unfortunately he said no. But I mean in terms of
just social media people kind of utilizing their platforms. You know,
(24:16):
the thing that I found was mean coins were what
a lot of them are doing, which is basically like
a you know, creating their own type of crypto and
selling that, which was really interesting. You know, I kept
on having it. No matter where I turned. It seemed
to be someone trying to get me to help them
flog a cryptocurrency or help them or I create my
(24:36):
own one or whatever. It was just like it seemed
like in the world of get rich quick you know, mean,
coins and crypto were the kind of other thing of
the moment.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
The other one I love is the idea of selling
classes on how to make money, the idea of charging
monty and people will just fork over money left and
right for that. Usually, Oh, this person us be successful
because I'm paying the money to learn how to make money.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, I mean it's kind of yeah. The amount of people,
like the amount of people who have courses now, you know,
kind of like I'll teach you how to be a success,
and that a lot of people are struggling. So they people,
you know, feel like they need help and they need advice.
They turn to these people, you know. In the film,
I obviously try and make my own class called Million
(25:25):
Dollar Ideas while I'm trying to make a million, which
is kind of head sort of nailing it on the head.
I put out a trailer for it. Two million people
watch the trailer in the first twenty four hours. One
person bought it. So I think that basically what I
realized making this was that the grift often with these
kind of people who are trying to teach you how
(25:46):
to make money because they're successful. The way they are
successful is by convincing you that they can make you successful,
if that makes sense. It's sort of like that's where
the grift takes place. It's convincing you that they can
lead you to the promised land of financial security. And
like you know, when I was younger in the I
grew up in the nineties and my parents were kind
(26:08):
of lost a lot of money in a pyramid scheme.
There was a kind of similar well, they didn't need
a lot of money, but they a lot lost a
lot of money to them, and it was a sort
of similar type of thing where it's someone saying, you know,
if you do this, then you you'll make money. And
then after rale they realized, oh god, I've just been
paying the money to hear that, and I don't they
didn't actually make any money from what they were telling
(26:29):
them to do.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Did you end up waking making the million pounds or
am I going to have?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
But yeah, I mean I managed to. One of the
main people in the film is a guy called Ikram
who started Venmo, which a lot of you guys will know.
I'm sure and you know, me and him start this
company together and then it goes down the pan and
then he basically says to me, you should sell off
a piece of yourself for the rest of your life.
And a crypto hedge fund manager in Miami makes me
(27:00):
the office for a million and we saw him contract
and then something else happens. But that's that's kind of yeah.
So yes, I do make the money.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
There's more. Follow Uba Butler on Instagram. Uhbaz oo b
hs on Instagram you can find out some more information,
including the other stuff that he's been working on. Again,
how I made a million pounds in ninety days on
BBC Channel four and it'll eventually, we hope, make it
away over here to the United States or find a
(27:30):
VPN and I'm sure you could watch it somehow cheating
the internet. That's the way to do it. Uba, thanks
for your time today. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Yeah, thank you so much so I appreciate.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
This absolutely, Uba Butler again. Follow him on social media
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
We've got to have we've got to get everybody out
there at something.
Speaker 1 (00:12):
We don't have people who work here anymore. I don't
know if you've seen the memos, but everyone's been.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Fired, six of us. How Elma would play? Yeah? But who?
Speaker 3 (00:23):
Like, I'm sorry, Eric, Eric might play? Does Eric play?
Speaker 2 (00:26):
And he would? I don't know if he's any good?
Speaker 3 (00:28):
I know he's in shape, but is he athletic? I
don't know.
Speaker 2 (00:32):
Elmer, when's the last time you played baseball? Softball through
a ball? Probably like last year? Okay, Okay, there you go.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You played grown up.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Yes, I'm Dominican, so say it like that. I am.
That's true.
Speaker 4 (00:47):
I'm legitimate, like I'm just good at baseball, like just
because I'm Dominican.
Speaker 3 (00:51):
That's amazing news. Okay, So Elmer, you me.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Steve Sacks.
Speaker 1 (00:57):
Steve Sas is not going to play on our stupid
you don't know what I do embarrass us by asking
Steve Sacks if it'll come to play on our team.
We don't even haven't enough to field one team, let
alone two.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Maybe we just play over the line or something like that.
Speaker 3 (01:13):
But I think I know what you're on too.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
I think starting the show with Steve Sachs is like
starting the show with.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
A shot at tequila.
Speaker 3 (01:20):
Right, It's like, all right, let's go, let's do this show.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
And he wasn't. There wasn't a lot of negotiation that
went into getting him. He was just right there. Yeah,
And we said hey, can you come on? And he
said yes, yeah. Period, There was no right, I mean
I was pretty aggressive. Yeah, but well but you know
that's my wearing rainbow bright jacket today. It's hard to
say no to that exactly. We were talking about AI.
(01:46):
We'll talk about it a little bit later, I think
as well. But there was this there's this statistic I
saw that about fifty one percent of the stuff that
we see on the Internet is now created by AI.
They were talking specifically about articles written. News organizations have
(02:10):
been using it. Other places, blogs et cetera. Have been
using AI to create blog posts, to create articles, et cetera.
That you see and it's in I mean, it's terrifying,
crazy number compared to what it was even six months
or a year ago.
Speaker 1 (02:26):
It's like, set aside what you think about journalists. You know,
let's go on our time machine and go back thirty
years when you could pretty much trust what you read
in newspapers and in publications online. And then now it's
not only can you not trust them and their bias
is going to shine through what is supposed to be
unbiased reporting, but now it may not even be a journalist,
(02:49):
and it may just be an AI conglomeration of information
computers find out there and put together in one article
for you. And so you really need to do your homework.
You really have to take everything you read with a
grain of salt. Nothing is trustworthy anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:05):
Yeah, there's something called the dead Internet theory, and I
think in the twelve o'clock hour we may jump into
this a little bit more. But Alex Alexis o'hannian, who
is one of the co founders of Reddit, and then
Sam Altman, a co founder of open Ai, have been
warning about this dead Internet theory, which is that the
Internet is dominated by bots that are creating things and
(03:30):
not actual humans that are creating things. Some people have
dismissed this whole thing as a conspiracy theory, but now
they're saying, actually, we thought it was impossible, and now
that we see statistics like fifty one percent of the
articles that are written are written by AI, maybe this
is something that we need to be concerned about. I
(03:52):
don't listen. AI is it can be really fun and
creating those videos of Tupac and mister Rogers that can
be really fun, and that's entertaining, But holy crap, theory
is a downside to this, and I think we have
to be careful. I don't even know if we have
the capability of being careful enough with that sort of
thing to protect ourselves. Yeay, everything fine, everything fine, I
(04:17):
kind of have a one track mine right now. Your
vertical shorts, yeah, space Wars, yep, that's a lot of Well.
Speaker 1 (04:24):
I think it came together when I cast Biractar in
the commercial break and it came out of nowhere. Dean
Sharp was walking down the hall and I thought it
hit me like a train by Ractar. With Dean as
Biractar and you as bumber Puss, we can't lose.
Speaker 2 (04:41):
There's got to be a female lead in there as well.
Speaker 1 (04:44):
Well, Heather's in it, Amy King's going to be in it.
I haven't figured out what Amy King's going to wear,
because I know what Heather's going to wear. I have
our space suit all conceptualized in my mind. Amy King,
I'm thinking about something kind of crazy, a lot of colors.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
Yeah, I could see that. Yeah, take some inspiration from
your jacket. Okay, I'm feeling very left out right. I
knew that was coming, and I didn't know.
Speaker 3 (05:05):
I didn't know you had interest. I would love for
you to be in.
Speaker 2 (05:08):
The project, nothing else. I mean, you're the first voiceover
the narration.
Speaker 3 (05:12):
I mean you're like.
Speaker 1 (05:13):
Out of central casting for Space Wars. I just didn't
think that you had any interest in it.
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You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty. He's gay, she straight. They're married and
expecting a baby. That's the That's the headline in an
article that showed up. This one happens to be NBC's
version of it, but it was also in The Washington
(06:50):
Post recently about a I'll use finger quotes around it,
A redefinition of what marriage is Samantha Greenstone and Jacob
haw have what they say is a mixed orientation marriage,
and they describe their partnership as a testament to how
(07:13):
love and commitment can flourish beyond traditional labels. They are
just about to celebrate their first wedding anniversary, Samantha and Jacob.
She is pregnant with their first child. They cross paths
ten years ago or so. At they said a callback
(07:36):
for Fiddler on the Roof and he said that they
like to tell the story. He heard her before he
even saw her. While he's in the lobby waiting for
his callback. He was startled by what was a sudden
cackle that he said, pierce the theater walls. That's nice,
(07:56):
and he said, it's so loud. People start giggling. And
in my head, I'm thinking, this is a woman who
doesn't give an f about anything in the best way possible.
I know people like that. And when she left the
auditorium with other hopefuls, he knew that that blonde with
the big old energy was the person with that laugh
and said if walked right up to her, and he said,
(08:17):
if they don't give you the part, they're crazy. And
she remembers thinking if I don't get this there all
out of their minds. But I'd never had someone just
up to come up to me and validate me like that.
They both got roles in the show. They were both,
they said, inseparable. They would stay up until four in
the morning. He would often crash on her couch. Their
(08:40):
friendship grew deeper even after the show. She said she
always surrounded herself with gay guys. She said she's like
Lady Gaga, but that she never really felt anything romantic
in terms of any sort of attraction towards them, and
(09:01):
Jacob said he also only surrounded himself with gay guys
for different reasons, of course, but couldn't explain why. They
both had this attraction to each other. And it may
not have been a physical attraction, but it was an
interpersonal attraction. So a couple of years later, Samantha visits
(09:22):
an energy healer who asked if she was seeing anyone.
This energy healer says to Samantha, Hey, something's going on
with you right now. Are you in a relationship with somebody?
I don't know why it rose to the level that
it did in my head in terms of being interesting,
(09:46):
other than I think we all probably know or at
least anecdotally no stories of people who come out later
in life. They were married, they had kids, and then
realized they had a same sex attraction. They ended their
mayriae in many cases and started dating somebody in their
own gender. Whatever. The gay guy gets married and realizes
(10:06):
when he's forty five he's gay and stops the marriage, whatever,
All of those things happen. I also knew a couple
when I was in college. I knew a couple. He
was gay and she was lesbian, and they got married.
This obviously before gay marriage was legal, although I guess
would that be gay marriage anyway. But they did it
for tax purposes. I don't know where they are now.
(10:29):
I mean that was twenty thirty years ago. I don't
know where they are, but they got married for tax purposes.
They were nice to each other and friends, but there
was nothing else going on. This article. That's again shown
up in a couple of different places with Samantha and Jacob.
She's straight, he's gay, but they're married and they're expecting
a child, and they struggled to figure out why they
(10:53):
were even attracted to each other, and again not physically apparently,
although I guess there is some of that too, I
read into this article. But Samantha visits what she described
as an energy healer who asked if she was actually
in a relationship with anybody, So you're seeing anybody? And
she hesitated. Now, obviously Jacob was the guy in her life,
(11:15):
but they hadn't done anything at this point because she
knew that he was gay. And the energy healer tells Samantha,
whoever you're thinking of, you now share a spiritual umbilical
cord with that person, and Samantha said, it put into
words what I felt towards Jacob, and she said, okay,
(11:38):
I'm not crazy. So then she texts her friend Jacob
and asks, do you ever have feelings for me as
more than a friend? And he eventually wrote, of course
I do. I know what you mean. So they look
around and they don't have a roadmap for how this
(11:59):
is supposed to go. She's straight, he's gay, but they're
falling in love question mark, and he explained, I was
afraid it wasn't going to work out because she's a woman,
And somehow it does, and yes they do it. They
get it on, and Samantha says, we have a healthy
sex life, and Jacob says it's wonderful. Intimacy they say
(12:23):
is not the focus of their relationship, which by the way,
is monogamous. And supposedly they will both notice a handsome
man together look at that fine piece, but that's where
it ends. And she says, our priority is our connection.
And she says, we focus on that feeling. What does
(12:44):
true love feel like? And she says, for me, it's Jacob.
It's a deep emotional bond. It's built on mutual respect
and admiration. And I mean these two people are talking.
They are deeply in love with each other. Jacob says,
samanthas filled my life with meaning and pushes not just
(13:04):
me but everyone around her to be the best version
of themselves at any given time. That's nice. They have
chronicled all this on social media. That's the one aspect
of this that I think is probably not necessary. I
love my wife deeply. She's filled my life with meaning.
(13:27):
She pushes not just me, but everyone around her to
be the best version of themselves at any given time.
I am echoing what Jacob says about his wife. I
say that about my wife, but I don't have to.
I don't have to post that on social media for
validation in any way. Jacob says he understands why people
are curious about all of this, you know, he says,
(13:48):
I get it. I'm in a marriage with a woman,
might which might make you think I'm bisexual, but he says,
I am just gay, old fashioned gay, not bisexual. He said.
The only group, the only species I'm attracted to. That's
not the correct use of the word species, but the
only one I'm attracted to is male, he said, with
(14:10):
one exception, and that's my wife. Again. It's a I've
never heard of that kind of a relationship before, where
they're open about it with each other, and it's been
relatively successful. I guess I wish the best for them.
They haven't revealed anything about the baby's due date, but
(14:31):
the expectation is that the baby will come before their
first anniversary. She hints that she's very well along, mentioning
how Jacob has to put her shoes on before they
go on a walk because her belly's hanging over. He's
been doing the cooking. She has a bunch of food
aversions that's always fun, which always making sure she stays hydrated,
(14:54):
make sure she stays comfortable. They said, actually, there's some
quot question. Other people have questioned the authenticity of this.
Some have said that it is a lavender marriage, that
she is a beard, and they insist the whole thing
is monogamous. It is meaningful. They don't have to fit
(15:15):
into weird categories or straight laced categories. And when they
started telling people about the baby on the way, there
were a couple of people who said, well, this is
unfair to the child. But Samantha says, we're only going
to show our baby love because the relationship is rooted
in love. You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand
(15:36):
from KFI AM six forty five second trick to keep
someone from yelling at the kids? Why are you not yelling?
Speaker 3 (15:45):
Instead of yelling at the kids, slap them?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Is that the trick? No, that's not weird, it's any
other guess that's all I got. Kicking kicking, damn it,
you are funny. That's all I got. All I got
is slaping them. Where else do you go from there?
There's some tools in my no kid having the tool.
Speaker 5 (16:06):
Kid, The only tool I have is to slap What else?
Speaker 2 (16:10):
What is everybody else out there doing? It's serious. I
don't even know.
Speaker 4 (16:17):
This.
Speaker 2 (16:17):
Here's the thing.
Speaker 5 (16:18):
I think that this is a valid point, but I
I like, if you ever have those things in life
where you're like, you read it and you're like, that
makes total sense, but I still don't like it, you.
Speaker 2 (16:28):
Know what I mean? Like it and you consider yourself
to be a rational person because some of it and
I think something this may fall into this category. Some
of it is like the obvious, duh, of course I
should do this thing, but I don't want to. Yeah,
in the event, and this is one of these times
(16:49):
talking about like a kid makes a mess, I don't
want to wait the five seconds. I don't want to
count in my head. I want to give them a
true account of how that made me feel.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
But sometimes you regret that.
Speaker 1 (17:03):
One of my girlfriends, she's got a three year old daughter,
and she said the other day she wouldn't stop crying.
And I'm driving the car and she actually won't stop crying.
She's crying about nothing, and I told her I'm going
to throw you out the window right there, And that's
how she felt in that moment. But by the time
she spoke to me about it, she's like, I probably
shouldn't have said, like I probably.
Speaker 3 (17:24):
Should have waited the five seconds.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
But I think the mess thing that is is a
particularly important piece because when you talk about a man,
let's a kid drops a glass of grape juice something
like that. It's an accident. It's clearly an accident. The
kid didn't throw the glass of grape juice on the floor.
They dropped it, and that's an accident. And I've always
(17:50):
had this very I've seen parents blow up a kid's
for that. Will you do You're so stupid, you're such
a klutz or whatever, as opposed to as happens, you
clean it up, but as happens, like, I'm not mad,
you know, I'm sorry, Gosh, that's embarrassing. You look like
an idiot in front of your friends. But we're going
(18:11):
to clean it up. And that's and then we move
past it. Not the if you're losing your mind when
the kid does something accidentally, that's more about you. Yeah,
it's one thing. They're acting up, they're in the backseat,
misbehaving or disrespecting or whatever.
Speaker 5 (18:30):
But what you're describing it sounds like so just to
be clear, because I feel like we all know, but
maybe the listeners don't is that this woman says that
you take five seconds and calm down, and you treat
your children like a guest. So if a guest were
to spill said grape juice on your carpet, you don't go, what.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
The hell are you doing? I've told you fourteen times
two heads.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
Everybody universally says, hey, it's okay, everything's gonna be fine,
but internally you're raging.
Speaker 2 (18:54):
You hold it in.
Speaker 5 (18:55):
And maybe that's maybe I just I feel like family
is the place where you can kind of be your
true self, even if with all your flaws as well.
Like I don't I'm not saying you shouldn't try to
be a better person, but I'm just saying.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Like that should be the place where you put the
facade down.
Speaker 1 (19:09):
It's kind of like the way they say that you
should talk to yourself, though, you know, when you're in
your own head sometimes you're really mean to yourself.
Speaker 2 (19:17):
Why the F did you do that?
Speaker 3 (19:18):
You freaking idiot? Right?
Speaker 1 (19:20):
Whereas if you just in did the same thing that
I just got down on myself for doing, I would
never talk to you that way.
Speaker 3 (19:26):
I'd be like, that's okay, don't worry about it, you'll
get it next time.
Speaker 2 (19:28):
It would be no thing.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
But we talk to ourselves so awfully. We would never
talk to anybody else like that. We won't talk to
our friends that way.
Speaker 2 (19:36):
True, sometimes we're that way.
Speaker 3 (19:37):
With our family.
Speaker 1 (19:38):
And I don't think we should be as unfiltered as
we are, because we can.
Speaker 3 (19:42):
Be really uh mean mean for lack of a better trait,
It's true you.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
Blow in my mind.
Speaker 5 (19:48):
Shat I think you helped me figure it out is
that I think it's checks and balances, right, because what
I think we've learned in society is that when you
get rid of shame and guilt, it's not necessarily a
good thing for the world at large, right, the masses.
So maybe I'm supposed to feel guilt and shame, but
then I have friends who make me feel better, and
then they balance it out right, so where I'm not
(20:09):
so self deprecating that I actually start to believe that
I'm an idiot and stupid when I make a mistake,
you know what I mean. And that's that's the way
the brain is supposed to work and why we crave
interaction and being around people. And maybe because I just
every time I see this kind of stuff, and I'm
the guy who loves the author. Uh, I'm doctor Tina
Payne Bryson, who she she talks about lowering yourself and
looking up at the kids so that their brain.
Speaker 3 (20:31):
Yeah, I know, Jerry loves to stand this woman.
Speaker 5 (20:33):
I see that you're upset is what you're supposed to
and I get all that. It makes sense to me,
But I also at the same time, I don't like it.
I wish I could be that person. And I have
these fantasies that maybe there are families out there that
never the father, never raises their voice or never knuckled
or thumped their kid in the head like I got,
and they like, they're so much more magical. But I
don't think my life is bad at all. Like I
(20:53):
don't think my childhood was bad. I don't look back
at any of that, And I don't know, maybe that's it.
Maybe if you have that perspective and you just kind
of adapt and move forward. Because I'm sure there are
lots of people who are doctors who would consider my
father to be abusive in some way, shape or form.
Speaker 2 (21:07):
But I always felt like to outweigh that, Huh, what
are they going to do now?
Speaker 3 (21:11):
Exactly abuse is such a silly word. It can mean much.
Speaker 2 (21:16):
You're genuine being abused. Speak clear. Yeah, I was gonna
talk about my life. I've ever been abused. I've never
been abused.
Speaker 3 (21:21):
You know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (21:24):
It's overused in some way. It's overused. Thank you, great stuff,
Thank you, thank you, thank thank you.
Speaker 5 (21:31):
Oh my gosh, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on
demand from KFI.
Speaker 2 (21:37):
A M six forty Uba is joining us now to
talk about this this new ninety days trying to bs
his way to a million pounds. Thanks for joining us.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Man, Thank you very much for having me.
Speaker 2 (21:52):
I love the the sort of beginning discussion. I saw
a write up you talked about the process of trying
to make a million pounds in ninety days and the
difference between old money and new money. Talk about that first.
Speaker 4 (22:09):
Yeah, I suppose it's just, you know, I've only just
moved here from London to New York and I've got
cuck croatures, which is awesome, But the just the kind
of I suppose there's a reverence for old money in Britain,
where you know, it is the old world. You know,
we the heads of most industries. People in them like politicians.
(22:30):
Most people were a lot of these people disproportioned. You
went to a small group of schools. You know, they're
kind of all sort of part of the old aristocracy
really and here you just don't have that in the
same way. So you know, you don't have this. It's
all just a little more open, Like you don't have
the same reverence around money. It's just like, this is
how it works. I'm going to go and get it.
(22:51):
So I suppose culturally that was a bit of a
change for me to sort of and it kind of
made sense for me to do this, to do the
project here, you know, during the project, the night and
day as I moved from London to New York. And yeah,
it was fascinating, fascinating.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
I make my living obviously doing this, which is weird.
But I'm more fascinated by people who can make money
using social media as a platform. And I know it's
similar to radio and TV, but the amount of money
that's available that people will just throw at influencers, at
(23:25):
social media personalities, doesn't that surprise you? Well, I suppose.
Speaker 4 (23:31):
I mean, look, you know, I'm a sort of, as
you said, oou filmmaker, journalist type thing. I didn't go
to college or anything. I sort of started doing it
in my own time, so you know I could. I
have to sort of, you know, thank the Internet for
having a career. I was working in a car factory before.
So I think the thing that I found doing this
film was just where there is money being made at
(23:52):
the moment is in quite interesting places. You know. The
first thing I did, well, one of the first things
I did was managed to get in the room with
a bit lean air and just asked them for a million,
because I just thought, well, they're reasonable, you know, it's
not much to them. Why can't I have a million?
Unfortunately he said no. But I mean in terms of
just social media people kind of utilizing their platforms. You know,
(24:16):
the thing that I found was mean coins were what
a lot of them are doing, which is basically like
a you know, creating their own type of crypto and
selling that, which was really interesting. You know, I kept
on having it. No matter where I turned. It seemed
to be someone trying to get me to help them
flog a cryptocurrency or help them or I create my
(24:36):
own one or whatever. It was just like it seemed
like in the world of get rich quick you know, mean,
coins and crypto were the kind of other thing of
the moment.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
The other one I love is the idea of selling
classes on how to make money, the idea of charging
monty and people will just fork over money left and
right for that. Usually, Oh, this person us be successful
because I'm paying the money to learn how to make money.
Speaker 4 (25:05):
Yeah, I mean it's kind of yeah. The amount of people,
like the amount of people who have courses now, you know,
kind of like I'll teach you how to be a success,
and that a lot of people are struggling. So they people,
you know, feel like they need help and they need advice.
They turn to these people, you know. In the film,
I obviously try and make my own class called Million
(25:25):
Dollar Ideas while I'm trying to make a million, which
is kind of head sort of nailing it on the head.
I put out a trailer for it. Two million people
watch the trailer in the first twenty four hours. One
person bought it. So I think that basically what I
realized making this was that the grift often with these
kind of people who are trying to teach you how
(25:46):
to make money because they're successful. The way they are
successful is by convincing you that they can make you successful,
if that makes sense. It's sort of like that's where
the grift takes place. It's convincing you that they can
lead you to the promised land of financial security. And
like you know, when I was younger in the I
grew up in the nineties and my parents were kind
(26:08):
of lost a lot of money in a pyramid scheme.
There was a kind of similar well, they didn't need
a lot of money, but they a lot lost a
lot of money to them, and it was a sort
of similar type of thing where it's someone saying, you know,
if you do this, then you you'll make money. And
then after rale they realized, oh god, I've just been
paying the money to hear that, and I don't they
didn't actually make any money from what they were telling
(26:29):
them to do.
Speaker 2 (26:31):
Did you end up waking making the million pounds or
am I going to have?
Speaker 4 (26:37):
But yeah, I mean I managed to. One of the
main people in the film is a guy called Ikram
who started Venmo, which a lot of you guys will know.
I'm sure and you know, me and him start this
company together and then it goes down the pan and
then he basically says to me, you should sell off
a piece of yourself for the rest of your life.
And a crypto hedge fund manager in Miami makes me
(27:00):
the office for a million and we saw him contract
and then something else happens. But that's that's kind of yeah.
So yes, I do make the money.
Speaker 2 (27:09):
There's more. Follow Uba Butler on Instagram. Uhbaz oo b
hs on Instagram you can find out some more information,
including the other stuff that he's been working on. Again,
how I made a million pounds in ninety days on
BBC Channel four and it'll eventually, we hope, make it
away over here to the United States or find a
(27:30):
VPN and I'm sure you could watch it somehow cheating
the internet. That's the way to do it. Uba, thanks
for your time today. Appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
Yeah, thank you so much so I appreciate.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
This absolutely, Uba Butler again. Follow him on social media
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