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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Justin Worsham is with us, host
of the Dad Podcast. Today we're going to be talking
about Shaquille.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
O'Neill and his different.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Rules for girls versus his rules for boys under his room.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Can he tell city how many kids he's got? Oh? No,
I didn't look into that.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
I did because we I don't know how many kids
he's got. He's got at least six and the steps on.
So he sometimes refers to having six or seven kids.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
A whole lot of kids.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah, so, and I don't know the breakdown gender wise,
but multiples of each.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
We do know that.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Here's what shocking that I think about that is that
he was born in Newark, New Jersey. Like this to
me seems like a very southern thing. Well, I believe he.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Grew up I mean born in New Jersey, but I
think he spent most of his in the South somewhere.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yes, this thing seems like, I said, what does he do?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
He's saying that, thank you, Shannon.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
He's saying that if you were a boy at eighteen
years of age, you got to get up out his house,
but if you are a daughter, you could stay there
as long as your heart desires, and he will subsidize
your education as much as you want, because he feels
he believes in traditional gender roles and that as a man,
it is your job to protect and take care of
your woman. And it's very interesting because personally, right I
(01:23):
like this and what it made me think of is
that people, at least in my social groups, tend to
get very up in arms about traditional gender roles and
how it has some kind of a negative impact on
society at large, and that somehow it's also damaging to women,
I think in particular.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
And I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You tell me if you think, I'll tell you, Like,
my wife would love nothing more than for me to
make enough of a living where she didn't have to
do anything and I could completely take care of her,
like I'm sure that and that's how she's wired. But
it's interesting that we seem to have this expectation, in
my opinion, culturally, to be sensitive to people's religion beliefs,
but in regard to like gender roles, we cannot. Like,
(02:04):
if you expect a woman to be somebody who's like,
you're going to stay and take care of house things
and kid things, and I'm going to take care of
money things. That seems to be that now you are
subjecting that woman to a life that she does not want.
Even if arguably, like again, my wife would sign up,
she'd probably leave.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Me even if she could.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
She could, I mean she could, she absolutely could, she
absolutely could.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
But it's funny I didn't think of it that way,
just in terms of there are people who choose to
live a I mean finger quotes traditional life, and they
choose to live that way. It's not like it's imposed
upon or they get married and then all of a
sudden the rules then emerge like oh no, no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
You do not get to have a job.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
You do not get to do things other than kick
them shoes off, get fast, get in that kitchen kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Serve me right.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
It's never how it goes, at least in the ones
I've seen.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Like that may have been in TV shows, yeah, from
fifty years ago, but that does not exist.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
No, Like even in my situation, my wife has no
idea what's going on with her finances. I make all
the decision. I run stuff by her, but she definitely
doesn't want to know. She doesn't want to be involved.
But I the way I process that is that mean
that I just have to be aware of what she
wants and make sure she gets it as much as.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I humanly can.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
She gets far more of what she wants than I do,
and so I don't I don't think.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I don't mean that.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Am I accidentally slipping this some kind of like a
couple of seraphone or this is a crap.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I hate it when I step in stuff here.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I'm staying out of it.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Smart. Gary's like, I wish I could.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
You guys are just leave and I'll just sit her
talk to listeners myself, let them.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I like worship family Christmas card and I don't want
to be cut off that list.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
But there's difference. But it is different.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I mean, the idea, the prospect for women now is
vastly different than it was even thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Whatever.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
When we were there, my old mom felt like she
could not go get a career.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
I felt like her job was to just.
Speaker 7 (04:09):
You could be a nurse or a teacher, you know
kind of a thing. Those were the two avenues. Yeah,
and now, I mean my daughter is studying stuff. I
don't even know how to describe on the Nobel Prize
in terms of her chemistry and physical not physical organic
chemistry specifically.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I don't get it. I don't understand it.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
I would never see in your mom's day and age,
she would your daughter's what twenty three, she'd be married
and having kids and there would be no time.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
For the lab That's right. My mom was married by
the time she was ninety.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
The time change tables have changed. So what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So women now are going to do all the things
because we've been shown it can be done. You can't
have a career, you can't have kids, you can do
all the things. It's just you got to move the
slide moves. So you're going to be doing You're going
to focused on your career until you're thirty, and then
you're gonna make kids and get married and everything just
gets shifted. And that's why people are having babies later.
Right because of women and their decision to work and
(05:11):
not to jump into the traditional lifestyle right away. They
can still do it. I think there's a lot of
women that want both. They want to have the career
and then they want to be able to stay home,
take care of their kids and have their husband take
care of things when it's his time to take care
of everything.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Yeah, And what's interesting to me is also like how
long it's taken for the pendulum to kind of shift
because for years I've been coming in here talking about how, yes,
it's a growing population of stay at home dads or
dads that are helping out more, But across the board.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Dads are not doing enough in the home.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
They're not doing enough of the cleaning and the cooking
and the taking care of the kids. Right, Like, you
can't just have that traditional role as a dad anymore
where you just like I go make money, I come home,
I drink my Tom Collins, and then the kids prepare
their speeches of what.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Their day was like. It's leave it to beaver.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
People still do that, you think?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
So?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, I used to drink Colins mix o, just just clean,
just Colins.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I loved a vodka Collins. That was a good drink.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
We'll come back more, justin marsh what happened? Here we
go we're drinking now.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The idea of reducing screen time for kids is something
that we've advocated for for years on this show. At
the beginning, it was simply because kids were rude in restaurants.
I mean, if you go to a restaurant and a
kid's on a tablet, it's always way too loud or you're,
you know, robbing the kid of the ability to understand
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social cues about when to pipe down, when to speak up,
when to be heard from, and when to just be cute.
And there are parents now trying to reduce their kids
screen time.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Yeah, and my issue with it is the is using
it as a pacifier. The bigger to me, this is
me interpreting what I've talked to an expert since seen
in like research, is that the population of children is
growing with an inability to deal with negative experiences because
they've always got something to distract them. And this is
I pronounce his name correctly, Jason Nagatta. He's an associate
(07:15):
professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco,
and he was talking about the American Academy Pediatrics recommends
that parents create a family media use plan, which is
very much like a technology contract. I would imagine. And
what they talk about. There's this family that he talks
about that what they did was they noticed their kids
were using it a lot, and so I like the
(07:35):
way they sat down with them, and all of the
experts I've ever talked to would agree with this is
they said, hey, we have learned something that you using
this tablet so much is not a good.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Thing for you.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
So we're gonna we have to rain this back.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
And what I like about that is it's not like
parents coming in having to say like we are, we
are saying this is not okay, because that implies I think,
to a kid, you have done something wrong as a child,
which is not the message. I like that they're kind
of owning up, like this is how you handle things
when you find that you have a misunderstanding about them.
And then they say we wean them off of And
there was resistance, but eventually life in general just improved
(08:12):
when they had less of this distraction.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I guess it would be similar to telling a kid, hey,
I know I've been feeding you you who for the
last you know, every night for the last four weeks,
and I realized that's not good for you because you
can't you can't sleep and your guts don't work no more,
or whatever happens to a kid who has four weeks
worth of you who But the idea of what do
(08:39):
you call it, of logically explaining something to kids like
this is a little bit lost on me. Oh really, well,
only because I guess it would depend on the age
and escapoint what level they are in terms of that,
of their comprehension of that. But it is something to say, hey,
I mean the idea that you would scold them out
(09:00):
really an explanation, right would probably I think coming in
and saying you are on your screen too much, so
we have to minimize that.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
I think, like I'm also even looking at it.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
My older soone especially has started to like moments where
I've had of shorter fuse. He calls me on it,
like holds up a mirror to He's like, damn, but
everything okay?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Like you good? And I don't like it.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
I'll be honest, I do not like it.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I like being called out.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
I prefer the much more compliant four year old version
of him, right smaller.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
I have enough introspection going on in my life. I
think we all can agree.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I don't need him piling it on.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Okay guy, But but yeah, it's it's talking to them
and saying like this is we have to we have
to change this, and we have to do it better
because and I talk about it all the time on here,
is that you know, the more kids use social media,
the more likely they are to become depressed. The thing
I want to add to that is that I just
I think that as parents, and I would love myself
(09:54):
into this.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
I think I've started to be guilty of this.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
But don't notice any time where I've gone all the
way through where you see something like this and mean
and say and interpret it to me, no social media whatsoever.
You can never use a tablet, And that's not the
message either. What we're really talking about in all things
is moderation, right, and you have to look at your
kid and what they can and can't handle.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
But it's hard when the companies are wired to get
your kid addicted.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Moderation is very tough.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, it's almost think of alcohol this way, where there's
certain advertisements about alcohol that make it sound fun and
it's exciting, and there's always pool parties and beer is
great for you and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
You just went hiking. Here's a michelob ultra.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
But an there has to be an aspect of it
as you, as an adult of somebody who's going to
do this, which in this case is drink beer, you
have to know that the negative, what the negatives are
that would be associated with it, Like you have to
be fully informed about it so that you can make
that decision. Kids, I don't think are fully informed about
If I'm on my screen, whatever kind of screen it is,
(10:56):
for seven hours a day, if that's the thing that
is taking up most of my time, I don't have
much I don't have any ability to learn about the
potential negatives of it because all my time is sucked
into this one thing.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
And I think, I think the people who get really
hard up about technology and screen time also seem to
not have a different approach when it comes to like nutrition. Right,
they talk about moderation for sweets, but they don't they
you know what I mean? Like they feel like they
and I don't know because here to your point, Shannon,
do you think that when you become a certain age
you suddenly have the ability to like develop the discipline
(11:30):
that you needed?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Are you right? Because what I.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Learned in my two kids, and I was very like
my two kids.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
One kid, for a moment in his life, he felt
like Instagram was a distraction, so he just deleted off
his phone. I didn't even know he did it. He
didn't make a proclamation that he did it. He didn't
do anything like that. But my younger son, like you,
he's different. You have to regulate those things for him.
And I've learned that because I've never regulated their screen
time because I hope that it would teach them the
(11:58):
self discipline that they would start to see the pitfalls.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And he has.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
My younger son, his grades have fallen because he prioritized
playing video games and now I take the video games
away and he's getting his grades better.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
And he but he.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Asked me just this week, he was like, I've made
the effort. Can I now have games back? And I
was like no, and I'm sorry, but that's not how
life works.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I love that argument. I've made the effort.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
And that's very much as mother, as much as I love.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Her well, And that goes full circle to treating your kids.
You know, different kids receive different treatment. That's exactly what
Shaq taught us. Yeah, what would Shack do.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
What would do? Oh, I'd be.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Such a better parent if I was seven feet tall.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, uh and a billionaire. Right, there's that.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
This is where we began to crime Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
The story is true, gallery, no, it's made up. I
don't know present.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
So it's eighteen eighty and there's a lot of questions
in this great land of ours. Would formerly enslaved people
enjoy full rights as citizens? Would this entrenched patronage system,
the doling out of federal government jobs to party faithful
instead of the most qualified candidates be reformed.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Well.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
An up and coming, smart sharp congressman out of Ohio,
James Garfield, speaks at the Republican National Convention says we
need to fulfill our promise to everyone. Hundreds of delegates
hearing that speech stand up and say, that's our guy.
We want him to be the next president. He didn't
(13:46):
want that, James. He's like, no, no, no, no, I don't
want the nomination. I'm just standing up to say my piece, which.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I probably made them want him even more.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Exactly, he had no desire for the presidency, but the
ground swelve support was too large, and this was somebody
who had risen out of poverty the same way Abraham
Lincoln had and also fought as a commander on the
Union side of.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
The Civil War.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
So it was a.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Speeding train ahead he could not stop it. In November
eighteen eighty he was elected the United States's twentieth president.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Well, the problem is, obviously he was shot four months
after his inauguration eventually died from sepsis, and what we
know about who it was that shot him and the
things that happened after Garfield was shot kind of lend
itself to some weird conspiracies and also a lot of
(14:42):
strange yarns connecting different people within the government.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
As all true crime stories have. Yes, you're right, it
was the guy who shot him with an interesting background,
as well as the man who treated him after the shooting,
both wanting some sort of prominence. Death by Lightning is
a four part drama that you'll find on Netflix. I
believe it's already streaming and they have adapted this for
(15:09):
Netflix and it's well acted. Michael Shannon stars as James Garfield.
Matthew mcphaden is the man who shot him. Charles Getu, Guiteau, getu.
We'll find out together now the man who adapted it,
or excuse me, the author who first wrote the book
(15:30):
about it, Destiny of the Republic, A Tale of Madness, Medicine,
and the Murder of Our President. Candice Millard says that
I hope it's a reminder. She says, you don't have
to have a big event to change the course of history,
and that in this case, the combination of one man's
madness and another's ignorance and petty ambitions devastated an entire nation.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
So it turns out that Charles Guiteau was a failed lawyer,
failed writer, failed evangelic preacher, failed at the love commune
that he joined because nobody wanted to have sex with him.
But he always had this belief that God had a
plan for him. God intended him for some grand purpose,
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and he knew that He just knew what the purpose was.
He becomes obsessed with Garfield after that convention, after the nomination,
and even travels to New York that summer of eighteen
eighty because he wants to make sure that he's on
the right team. He said, he wants to make sure
that he gets Garfield elected, and he would harass the
(16:35):
staff at the campaign office in New York until he
was allowed to give a speech to endorse Garfield. Now,
Garfield opposed the spoils system, the patronage system we were
talking about, where you'd hand out lucrative jobs to your supporters.
But Guito believed in it, and he expected that in
(16:58):
exchange for his very vogte local endorsement, even though nobody
knew who he was, this very vocal endorsement of Garfield,
that he would be rewarded with some sort of a
key job. He specifically wanted to be the ambassador to France,
which seems like a cushy job even in eighteen eighty.
(17:19):
So he travels to Washington. He goes to the White
House every single day with a bunch of other people
in that same place. Even gets into the room with
President Garfield, hands him a copy of his election speech
and wrote the words Paris consulship on it, connecting with
a little line those words with his name.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Okay, so this guy turning up the White House repeatedly
gets his gets in band. He's a weirdo, and everybody
knows that he's got these erratic outbursts, so he's blocked
from entering the White House. But he did start showing
up at the office of the Secretary of Staint, James Blaine,
and one day he went after Blaine directly, only to
be told he would never be given a position in
(18:02):
the Garfield administration. Remember, this guy has no money, no prospects,
and no sex. And he goes back to his boarding
house where he has what he later called a divine inspiration.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
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Speaker 1 (19:29):
We are talking about one of the oldest true crime
stories in American history on this True Crime Tuesday. It
is the murder of US President James Garfield, the twentieth
President of the United States, a reluctant president who came
to power in eighteen eighty and there was a h
(19:51):
a crazy person that was left around the White House,
let around the White House and then finally banned from
the White House. Wanted to get his voice heard. And
he was one of those guys who we that we
know he wasn't really good at anything. He tried to
be a lawyer, he tried to be a journalist, he
tried to be a preacher.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
He tried free love.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
He wasn't.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
He was an in cell back in the day. He
could not find anyone to have sex with him. He
started getting obsessed with politics, and he was finally told, listen,
stop coming around here, and you're not going to have
a position in James Garfield's administration.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
It's not gonna happen for you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So he goes back to his shabby boarding house where
he says he had a divine inspiration. Garfield was not
a true Republican, unlike his vice president.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, Chester Arthur.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Had been imposed upon him basically as the vice president,
which is a guy that Guiteau Guiteau, Charles Guiteau had liked.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
But on.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
This idea that came to him or God spoke to him,
whichever term he wanted to use, he concluded, I have
to kill James Garfield so that Chester A. Arthur could
become the president.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
So the president at the time was not difficult to target.
They learned nothing from Abraham Lincoln. Garfield walked everywhere unprotected,
even though It was just sixteen years before the Abraham
Lincoln was shot and killed. Garfield wrote in a letter
at the time, assassination can no more be guarded against
than death by lightning, and it is best not to
(21:38):
worry about.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Either, which explains the title of the Netflix series that
documents all of that, right, death by lightning.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
So this guy follows Garfield for a few days, finally
shoots him at the Baltimore and Potomac Railroad station in DC.
It was July second, eighteen eighty one. Now it gets
it gets worse because he did survive the shooting.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
At first. Well, that's that's not the bad part. It's
the doctor.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
It's the doctor that was taking care of President Garfield,
doctor Wilfred Bliss. He thought he knew everything. And we're
talking in eighteen eighties when medical technology was just sort
of beginning and our understanding of what goes on in
the body was just forming. He scoffed at the idea
(22:32):
of antiseptics for treating wounds. He used unsterilized instruments. He
even stuck his bare finger into the gunshot hole near
Garfield's spine.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, he His death was officially sepsis and that's definitely
because of all the things you just mentioned. He was
in pain, fevers, constant discomfort under this guy's disastrous care,
and he began to wonder what the future might bring.
Apparently he asked a friend, do you think my name
(23:05):
will have a place in human history? Now, Garfield's death
did make a difference. The nation, as you can imagine,
was torn apart by this. He was only forty nine
at the time, and galvanized demands for civil service reform,
the public recognizing that this crazy guy's rage began when
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he was denied a job he believed he was owed. Arthur,
now President, mourning his able and likable predecessor, renounced the
corrupt spoils system that had elevated him, and when Congress
passed a Pendleton Act in eighteen eighty three creating those
merit based standards for federal government employment, Arthur signed into law.
(23:49):
Whatever happened to that, Whatever happened to that that merit
based federal government thresholds.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
What happened to that old fashioned Yeah, now.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You can be a bump on a log get a
job with the federal government.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
I should say that you've been listening to the Gary
and Shannon Show.
Speaker 4 (24:05):
You can always hear us live on KFI AM six
forty nine am to one pm every Monday through Friday,
and anytime on demand on the iHeartRadio ap
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Justin Worsham is with us, host
of the Dad Podcast. Today we're going to be talking
about Shaquille.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
O'Neill and his different.
Speaker 1 (00:16):
Rules for girls versus his rules for boys under his room.
Speaker 3 (00:20):
Can he tell city how many kids he's got? Oh? No,
I didn't look into that.
Speaker 4 (00:24):
I did because we I don't know how many kids
he's got. He's got at least six and the steps on.
So he sometimes refers to having six or seven kids.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
A whole lot of kids.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Yeah, so, and I don't know the breakdown gender wise,
but multiples of each.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
We do know that.
Speaker 5 (00:39):
Here's what shocking that I think about that is that
he was born in Newark, New Jersey. Like this to
me seems like a very southern thing. Well, I believe he.
Speaker 4 (00:50):
Grew up I mean born in New Jersey, but I
think he spent most of his in the South somewhere.
Speaker 2 (00:55):
Yes, this thing seems like, I said, what does he do?
Speaker 3 (00:59):
He's saying that, thank you, Shannon.
Speaker 5 (01:01):
He's saying that if you were a boy at eighteen
years of age, you got to get up out his house,
but if you are a daughter, you could stay there
as long as your heart desires, and he will subsidize
your education as much as you want, because he feels
he believes in traditional gender roles and that as a man,
it is your job to protect and take care of
your woman. And it's very interesting because personally, right I
(01:23):
like this and what it made me think of is
that people, at least in my social groups, tend to
get very up in arms about traditional gender roles and
how it has some kind of a negative impact on
society at large, and that somehow it's also damaging to women,
I think in particular.
Speaker 6 (01:40):
And I don't know.
Speaker 5 (01:41):
You tell me if you think, I'll tell you, Like,
my wife would love nothing more than for me to
make enough of a living where she didn't have to
do anything and I could completely take care of her,
like I'm sure that and that's how she's wired. But
it's interesting that we seem to have this expectation, in
my opinion, culturally, to be sensitive to people's religion beliefs,
but in regard to like gender roles, we cannot. Like,
(02:04):
if you expect a woman to be somebody who's like,
you're going to stay and take care of house things
and kid things, and I'm going to take care of
money things. That seems to be that now you are
subjecting that woman to a life that she does not want.
Even if arguably, like again, my wife would sign up,
she'd probably leave.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
Me even if she could.
Speaker 6 (02:22):
She could, I mean she could, she absolutely could, she
absolutely could.
Speaker 4 (02:27):
But it's funny I didn't think of it that way,
just in terms of there are people who choose to
live a I mean finger quotes traditional life, and they
choose to live that way. It's not like it's imposed
upon or they get married and then all of a
sudden the rules then emerge like oh no, no, I'm sorry.
Speaker 3 (02:50):
You do not get to have a job.
Speaker 4 (02:51):
You do not get to do things other than kick
them shoes off, get fast, get in that kitchen kind
of thing.
Speaker 3 (02:57):
Serve me right.
Speaker 6 (02:58):
It's never how it goes, at least in the ones
I've seen.
Speaker 4 (03:01):
Like that may have been in TV shows, yeah, from
fifty years ago, but that does not exist.
Speaker 5 (03:07):
No, Like even in my situation, my wife has no
idea what's going on with her finances. I make all
the decision. I run stuff by her, but she definitely
doesn't want to know. She doesn't want to be involved.
But I the way I process that is that mean
that I just have to be aware of what she
wants and make sure she gets it as much as.
Speaker 3 (03:24):
I humanly can.
Speaker 6 (03:25):
She gets far more of what she wants than I do,
and so I don't I don't think.
Speaker 3 (03:30):
I don't mean that.
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Am I accidentally slipping this some kind of like a
couple of seraphone or this is a crap.
Speaker 3 (03:34):
I hate it when I step in stuff here.
Speaker 2 (03:38):
I'm staying out of it.
Speaker 3 (03:40):
Smart. Gary's like, I wish I could.
Speaker 5 (03:44):
You guys are just leave and I'll just sit her
talk to listeners myself, let them.
Speaker 1 (03:47):
I like worship family Christmas card and I don't want
to be cut off that list.
Speaker 3 (03:54):
But there's difference. But it is different.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
I mean, the idea, the prospect for women now is
vastly different than it was even thirty years ago.
Speaker 3 (04:04):
Whatever.
Speaker 5 (04:04):
When we were there, my old mom felt like she
could not go get a career.
Speaker 6 (04:08):
I felt like her job was to just.
Speaker 7 (04:09):
You could be a nurse or a teacher, you know
kind of a thing. Those were the two avenues. Yeah,
and now, I mean my daughter is studying stuff. I
don't even know how to describe on the Nobel Prize
in terms of her chemistry and physical not physical organic
chemistry specifically.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
I don't get it. I don't understand it.
Speaker 7 (04:29):
I would never see in your mom's day and age,
she would your daughter's what twenty three, she'd be married
and having kids and there would be no time.
Speaker 3 (04:39):
For the lab That's right. My mom was married by
the time she was ninety.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
The time change tables have changed. So what does that mean?
Speaker 3 (04:48):
Right?
Speaker 1 (04:48):
So women now are going to do all the things
because we've been shown it can be done. You can't
have a career, you can't have kids, you can do
all the things. It's just you got to move the
slide moves. So you're going to be doing You're going
to focused on your career until you're thirty, and then
you're gonna make kids and get married and everything just
gets shifted. And that's why people are having babies later.
Right because of women and their decision to work and
(05:11):
not to jump into the traditional lifestyle right away. They
can still do it. I think there's a lot of
women that want both. They want to have the career
and then they want to be able to stay home,
take care of their kids and have their husband take
care of things when it's his time to take care
of everything.
Speaker 5 (05:26):
Yeah, And what's interesting to me is also like how
long it's taken for the pendulum to kind of shift
because for years I've been coming in here talking about how, yes,
it's a growing population of stay at home dads or
dads that are helping out more, But across the board.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
Dads are not doing enough in the home.
Speaker 5 (05:42):
They're not doing enough of the cleaning and the cooking
and the taking care of the kids. Right, Like, you
can't just have that traditional role as a dad anymore
where you just like I go make money, I come home,
I drink my Tom Collins, and then the kids prepare
their speeches of what.
Speaker 6 (05:57):
Their day was like. It's leave it to beaver.
Speaker 3 (06:00):
People still do that, you think?
Speaker 5 (06:01):
So?
Speaker 4 (06:01):
Yeah, I used to drink Colins mix o, just just clean,
just Colins.
Speaker 2 (06:06):
I loved a vodka Collins. That was a good drink.
Speaker 3 (06:08):
We'll come back more, justin marsh what happened? Here we
go we're drinking now.
Speaker 8 (06:14):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (06:20):
The idea of reducing screen time for kids is something
that we've advocated for for years on this show. At
the beginning, it was simply because kids were rude in restaurants.
I mean, if you go to a restaurant and a
kid's on a tablet, it's always way too loud or you're,
you know, robbing the kid of the ability to understand
(06:41):
social cues about when to pipe down, when to speak up,
when to be heard from, and when to just be cute.
And there are parents now trying to reduce their kids
screen time.
Speaker 5 (06:52):
Yeah, and my issue with it is the is using
it as a pacifier. The bigger to me, this is
me interpreting what I've talked to an expert since seen
in like research, is that the population of children is
growing with an inability to deal with negative experiences because
they've always got something to distract them. And this is
I pronounce his name correctly, Jason Nagatta. He's an associate
(07:15):
professor of pediatrics at the University of California, San Francisco,
and he was talking about the American Academy Pediatrics recommends
that parents create a family media use plan, which is
very much like a technology contract. I would imagine. And
what they talk about. There's this family that he talks
about that what they did was they noticed their kids
were using it a lot, and so I like the
(07:35):
way they sat down with them, and all of the
experts I've ever talked to would agree with this is
they said, hey, we have learned something that you using
this tablet so much is not a good.
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Thing for you.
Speaker 6 (07:46):
So we're gonna we have to rain this back.
Speaker 5 (07:49):
And what I like about that is it's not like
parents coming in having to say like we are, we
are saying this is not okay, because that implies I think,
to a kid, you have done something wrong as a child,
which is not the message. I like that they're kind
of owning up, like this is how you handle things
when you find that you have a misunderstanding about them.
And then they say we wean them off of And
there was resistance, but eventually life in general just improved
(08:12):
when they had less of this distraction.
Speaker 4 (08:15):
I guess it would be similar to telling a kid, hey,
I know I've been feeding you you who for the
last you know, every night for the last four weeks,
and I realized that's not good for you because you
can't you can't sleep and your guts don't work no more,
or whatever happens to a kid who has four weeks
worth of you who But the idea of what do
(08:39):
you call it, of logically explaining something to kids like
this is a little bit lost on me. Oh really, well,
only because I guess it would depend on the age
and escapoint what level they are in terms of that,
of their comprehension of that. But it is something to say, hey,
I mean the idea that you would scold them out
(09:00):
really an explanation, right would probably I think coming in
and saying you are on your screen too much, so
we have to minimize that.
Speaker 6 (09:06):
I think, like I'm also even looking at it.
Speaker 5 (09:08):
My older soone especially has started to like moments where
I've had of shorter fuse. He calls me on it,
like holds up a mirror to He's like, damn, but
everything okay?
Speaker 3 (09:19):
Like you good? And I don't like it.
Speaker 6 (09:21):
I'll be honest, I do not like it.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
I like being called out.
Speaker 5 (09:25):
I prefer the much more compliant four year old version
of him, right smaller.
Speaker 6 (09:29):
I have enough introspection going on in my life. I
think we all can agree.
Speaker 3 (09:33):
I don't need him piling it on.
Speaker 5 (09:34):
Okay guy, But but yeah, it's it's talking to them
and saying like this is we have to we have
to change this, and we have to do it better
because and I talk about it all the time on here,
is that you know, the more kids use social media,
the more likely they are to become depressed. The thing
I want to add to that is that I just
I think that as parents, and I would love myself
(09:54):
into this.
Speaker 6 (09:55):
I think I've started to be guilty of this.
Speaker 5 (09:57):
But don't notice any time where I've gone all the
way through where you see something like this and mean
and say and interpret it to me, no social media whatsoever.
You can never use a tablet, And that's not the
message either. What we're really talking about in all things
is moderation, right, and you have to look at your
kid and what they can and can't handle.
Speaker 1 (10:13):
But it's hard when the companies are wired to get
your kid addicted.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
Moderation is very tough.
Speaker 4 (10:19):
Yeah, it's almost think of alcohol this way, where there's
certain advertisements about alcohol that make it sound fun and
it's exciting, and there's always pool parties and beer is
great for you and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 3 (10:31):
You just went hiking. Here's a michelob ultra.
Speaker 4 (10:34):
But an there has to be an aspect of it
as you, as an adult of somebody who's going to
do this, which in this case is drink beer, you
have to know that the negative, what the negatives are
that would be associated with it, Like you have to
be fully informed about it so that you can make
that decision. Kids, I don't think are fully informed about
If I'm on my screen, whatever kind of screen it is,
(10:56):
for seven hours a day, if that's the thing that
is taking up most of my time, I don't have
much I don't have any ability to learn about the
potential negatives of it because all my time is sucked
into this one thing.
Speaker 5 (11:08):
And I think, I think the people who get really
hard up about technology and screen time also seem to
not have a different approach when it comes to like nutrition. Right,
they talk about moderation for sweets, but they don't they
you know what I mean? Like they feel like they
and I don't know because here to your point, Shannon,
do you think that when you become a certain age
you suddenly have the ability to like develop the discipline
(11:30):
that you needed?
Speaker 3 (11:30):
Are you right? Because what I.
Speaker 6 (11:32):
Learned in my two kids, and I was very like
my two kids.
Speaker 5 (11:37):
One kid, for a moment in his life, he felt
like Instagram was a distraction, so he just deleted off
his phone. I didn't even know he did it. He
didn't make a proclamation that he did it. He didn't
do anything like that. But my younger son, like you,
he's different. You have to regulate those things for him.
And I've learned that because I've never regulated their screen
time because I hope that it would teach them the
(11:58):
self discipline that they would start to see the pitfalls.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
And he has.
Speaker 5 (12:01):
My younger son, his grades have fallen because he prioritized
playing video games and now I take the video games
away and he's getting his grades better.
Speaker 3 (12:08):
And he but he.
Speaker 5 (12:09):
Asked me just this week, he was like, I've made
the effort. Can I now have games back? And I
was like no, and I'm sorry, but that's not how
life works.
Speaker 2 (12:16):
I love that argument. I've made the effort.
Speaker 6 (12:18):
And that's very much as mother, as much as I love.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
Her well, And that goes full circle to treating your kids.
You know, different kids receive different treatment. That's exactly what
Shaq taught us. Yeah, what would Shack do.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
What would do? Oh, I'd be.
Speaker 6 (12:32):
Such a better parent if I was seven feet tall.
Speaker 3 (12:34):
Well, uh and a billionaire. Right, there's that.
Speaker 8 (12:39):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (12:46):
This is where we began to crime Tuesday.
Speaker 3 (12:51):
The story is true, gallery, no, it's made up. I
don't know present.
Speaker 1 (13:03):
So it's eighteen eighty and there's a lot of questions
in this great land of ours. Would formerly enslaved people
enjoy full rights as citizens? Would this entrenched patronage system,
the doling out of federal government jobs to party faithful
instead of the most qualified candidates be reformed.
Speaker 3 (13:25):
Well.
Speaker 4 (13:25):
An up and coming, smart sharp congressman out of Ohio,
James Garfield, speaks at the Republican National Convention says we
need to fulfill our promise to everyone. Hundreds of delegates
hearing that speech stand up and say, that's our guy.
We want him to be the next president. He didn't
(13:46):
want that, James. He's like, no, no, no, no, I don't
want the nomination. I'm just standing up to say my piece, which.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
I probably made them want him even more.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Exactly, he had no desire for the presidency, but the
ground swelve support was too large, and this was somebody
who had risen out of poverty the same way Abraham
Lincoln had and also fought as a commander on the
Union side of.
Speaker 3 (14:07):
The Civil War.
Speaker 2 (14:09):
So it was a.
Speaker 1 (14:11):
Speeding train ahead he could not stop it. In November
eighteen eighty he was elected the United States's twentieth president.
Speaker 4 (14:18):
Well, the problem is, obviously he was shot four months
after his inauguration eventually died from sepsis, and what we
know about who it was that shot him and the
things that happened after Garfield was shot kind of lend
itself to some weird conspiracies and also a lot of
(14:42):
strange yarns connecting different people within the government.
Speaker 1 (14:46):
As all true crime stories have. Yes, you're right, it
was the guy who shot him with an interesting background,
as well as the man who treated him after the shooting,
both wanting some sort of prominence. Death by Lightning is
a four part drama that you'll find on Netflix. I
believe it's already streaming and they have adapted this for
(15:09):
Netflix and it's well acted. Michael Shannon stars as James Garfield.
Matthew mcphaden is the man who shot him. Charles Getu, Guiteau, getu.
We'll find out together now the man who adapted it,
or excuse me, the author who first wrote the book
(15:30):
about it, Destiny of the Republic, A Tale of Madness, Medicine,
and the Murder of Our President. Candice Millard says that
I hope it's a reminder. She says, you don't have
to have a big event to change the course of history,
and that in this case, the combination of one man's
madness and another's ignorance and petty ambitions devastated an entire nation.
Speaker 4 (15:53):
So it turns out that Charles Guiteau was a failed lawyer,
failed writer, failed evangelic preacher, failed at the love commune
that he joined because nobody wanted to have sex with him.
But he always had this belief that God had a
plan for him. God intended him for some grand purpose,
(16:13):
and he knew that He just knew what the purpose was.
He becomes obsessed with Garfield after that convention, after the nomination,
and even travels to New York that summer of eighteen
eighty because he wants to make sure that he's on
the right team. He said, he wants to make sure
that he gets Garfield elected, and he would harass the
(16:35):
staff at the campaign office in New York until he
was allowed to give a speech to endorse Garfield. Now,
Garfield opposed the spoils system, the patronage system we were
talking about, where you'd hand out lucrative jobs to your supporters.
But Guito believed in it, and he expected that in
(16:58):
exchange for his very vogte local endorsement, even though nobody
knew who he was, this very vocal endorsement of Garfield,
that he would be rewarded with some sort of a
key job. He specifically wanted to be the ambassador to France,
which seems like a cushy job even in eighteen eighty.
(17:19):
So he travels to Washington. He goes to the White
House every single day with a bunch of other people
in that same place. Even gets into the room with
President Garfield, hands him a copy of his election speech
and wrote the words Paris consulship on it, connecting with
a little line those words with his name.
Speaker 1 (17:39):
Okay, so this guy turning up the White House repeatedly
gets his gets in band. He's a weirdo, and everybody
knows that he's got these erratic outbursts, so he's blocked
from entering the White House. But he did start showing
up at the office of the Secretary of Staint, James Blaine,
and one day he went after Blaine directly, only to
be told he would never be given a position in
(18:02):
the Garfield administration. Remember, this guy has no money, no prospects,
and no sex. And he goes back to his boarding
house where he has what he later called a divine inspiration.
Speaker 3 (18:13):
We'll tell you what he thinks God said to him.
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Speaker 1 (19:29):
We are talking about one of the oldest true crime
stories in American history on this True Crime Tuesday. It
is the murder of US President James Garfield, the twentieth
President of the United States, a reluctant president who came
to power in eighteen eighty and there was a h
(19:51):
a crazy person that was left around the White House,
let around the White House and then finally banned from
the White House. Wanted to get his voice heard. And
he was one of those guys who we that we
know he wasn't really good at anything. He tried to
be a lawyer, he tried to be a journalist, he
tried to be a preacher.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
He tried free love.
Speaker 2 (20:13):
He wasn't.
Speaker 1 (20:15):
He was an in cell back in the day. He
could not find anyone to have sex with him. He
started getting obsessed with politics, and he was finally told, listen,
stop coming around here, and you're not going to have
a position in James Garfield's administration.
Speaker 2 (20:30):
It's not gonna happen for you.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
So he goes back to his shabby boarding house where
he says he had a divine inspiration. Garfield was not
a true Republican, unlike his vice president.
Speaker 3 (20:45):
Yeah, Chester Arthur.
Speaker 4 (20:46):
Had been imposed upon him basically as the vice president,
which is a guy that Guiteau Guiteau, Charles Guiteau had liked.
Speaker 3 (20:59):
But on.
Speaker 4 (21:02):
This idea that came to him or God spoke to him,
whichever term he wanted to use, he concluded, I have
to kill James Garfield so that Chester A. Arthur could
become the president.
Speaker 1 (21:15):
So the president at the time was not difficult to target.
They learned nothing from Abraham Lincoln. Garfield walked everywhere unprotected,
even though It was just sixteen years before the Abraham
Lincoln was shot and killed. Garfield wrote in a letter
at the time, assassination can no more be guarded against
than death by lightning, and it is best not to
(21:38):
worry about.
Speaker 4 (21:39):
Either, which explains the title of the Netflix series that
documents all of that, right, death by lightning.
Speaker 1 (21:46):
So this guy follows Garfield for a few days, finally
shoots him at the Baltimore and Potomac Railroad station in DC.
It was July second, eighteen eighty one. Now it gets
it gets worse because he did survive the shooting.
Speaker 3 (22:06):
At first. Well, that's that's not the bad part. It's
the doctor.
Speaker 4 (22:11):
It's the doctor that was taking care of President Garfield,
doctor Wilfred Bliss. He thought he knew everything. And we're
talking in eighteen eighties when medical technology was just sort
of beginning and our understanding of what goes on in
the body was just forming. He scoffed at the idea
(22:32):
of antiseptics for treating wounds. He used unsterilized instruments. He
even stuck his bare finger into the gunshot hole near
Garfield's spine.
Speaker 1 (22:45):
Yeah, he His death was officially sepsis and that's definitely
because of all the things you just mentioned. He was
in pain, fevers, constant discomfort under this guy's disastrous care,
and he began to wonder what the future might bring.
Apparently he asked a friend, do you think my name
(23:05):
will have a place in human history? Now, Garfield's death
did make a difference. The nation, as you can imagine,
was torn apart by this. He was only forty nine
at the time, and galvanized demands for civil service reform,
the public recognizing that this crazy guy's rage began when
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he was denied a job he believed he was owed. Arthur,
now President, mourning his able and likable predecessor, renounced the
corrupt spoils system that had elevated him, and when Congress
passed a Pendleton Act in eighteen eighty three creating those
merit based standards for federal government employment, Arthur signed into law.
(23:49):
Whatever happened to that, Whatever happened to that that merit
based federal government thresholds.
Speaker 4 (23:54):
What happened to that old fashioned Yeah, now.
Speaker 1 (23:58):
You can be a bump on a log get a
job with the federal government.
Speaker 3 (24:01):
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and Shannon Show.
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