August 9, 2025 • 15 mins
Gary and Shannon dive deep into Gary’s emotional landscape. From traffic frustrations to family connections, Gary reveals his nuanced perspective on life, challenging the “joyless ogre” label a listener gave him during the weekly show We come full circle on the one folks! Maybe Gary does have some joy in him after all!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. Hello, and welcome to moviefone.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is a gas weekend fixed. This is the part
of our podcast. It doesn't get to air, it doesn't
It doesn't qualify for a normal programming right. The twenty
hours that we do during the week are usually clean,
somewhat respectful, perhaps even prepared at points.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
This is not that. No, this is none of that.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
No, it is not.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
This is like, hey, you wrapped up all of the
garbage from the week, and you pulled the plastic bag
out of the bucket and you realize, oh crap, there's
banana peels in someone's coffee grounds and a half eaten
sandwich in the bottom of the garbage can.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well, today's detritis in the bucket is about you, Gary.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I love it. You are today shit show human detritis.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Last week we talked about my detritis, okay, and life
and football, and this week we're going to talk about you. So, yes,
put your feet up. I'm glad you put your feet up.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's more relaxing.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I hope your comfy and you're in your hoodie.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
My shoes are starting to give way. Converse, uh, Chuck Taylor's.
They tend to separate right there.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
This is what happens with children in therapy is they
start fidgeting, they start start talking.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It's a nice kitty cat.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So we don't have a cat in here.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I see it one.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Okay, okay, we uncovered something this week, one of your issues. Yeah,
it's rare that the curtain is pulled back and you
reveal an issue. Normally you're very un disturbed.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
This seems very clinical just to this point, just so
you know, really, yeah, okay, it's starting to get very clinical.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Okay, sorry, but you revealed to us that you were
in traffic. Oh, and you were on your way home
and your wife was in the car, and you made
it through that tunnel there at the five up through
and the four or five, and that people were honking
their horns and you were upset about it. I believe
(02:16):
your words were, do these people have so little going
on in their lives that this is what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yes, that's very it's almost word for word what I said.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And your wife said, wow.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
She paused for dramatic effect, and then said wow, and
that was an asshole thing to say.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, does she say that often to you? Well?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
No, But I also, like I said when I was
telling the story, I am usually better about me. I'll
say it in my head and then realize that's a
pretty asshole thing to say. I should probably sit on that.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I was gonna say, because rarely do you say something
and I'm thinking, whoa, that was an asshole thing, like
you're you don't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I do it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
If I say something like that, it's usually for humor purposes, right,
If I say something that you would react that way,
I would say it knowing that it was, knowing that
it was going to come across that way, and to
do it for humor purposes.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I also, I don't think it's an asshole thing to say.
I think it's reflective of your day at that point.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That was part of it.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yes, So there's that. So I don't believe you're an
asshole at all. Still, even though you said that.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
She said, well, not making eye contact.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
But no, I don't. But some people thought that it
reflected your joyless existence my joy.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, somebody referred to me as a joyless ogre because
I didn't think it was. I didn't think it was
entertaining to do that.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Feel joy in your life, yes, tell me moments of joy.
Moments of joy, you can just pick one or two.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, at my age and stage, moments of joy are
when I feel healthy, fee like if I feel good
about myself post workout, or if I do something physical
that somebody who's fifty two should not be able to
do that, I feel joy about that. And that's that's
a selfish self what's the word that's a selfish thing?
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Self serving, self serving, self seeking, selfless? No, because I'm
definitely not definitely not selfless, because it's about self. Arrogant
is probably something, but I totally get it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And if you're gonna be arrogant and self and full
of self, yeah, that's a good way to do it.
Like that. There's worse ways to be arrogant and full
of yourself than feeling good after a workout. Yeah, that's
probably the best way to be selfish.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I feel joy at times if also because of my
agent stage and how old my kids are. If the
four of us are together, my wife and I and
my son and daughter, if the four of us are
all together in some place, I feel joy about that
when we were on vacation, the four of us were
all there were others there, but we all had we
had time where it was just the four of us together.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
That was nice.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yes, that's joyce imagine that to be a wonderful feeling
of like I built this. Yeah, this is a family.
I built this. Yes, it's wonderful building.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's also if I'm doing some sort of a project
around the house, accomplishment, and I complete it, yeah, and
it passes inspection, then yes, I'll feel joy.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
That's so I do have joy.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Well, run, we've exhausted my therapist credentials. He's got joy, y'all.
Calm down.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It's in there somewhere. And that's the thing is. Here's
what I what I thought.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I find funny about my wife's reaction to that, to
what I said, and to other people's reaction to those
times when I'm I could come across as grumpy or
something like that. I thought I was the one that
didn't have a lot of expression. I'm the one who
doesn't have a lot of emotion. So when I don't
(06:03):
go too high, right, and I don't ever really go
too low, I don't I don't feel like i've, at
least not recently. I've never I haven't suffered from depression,
deep deep bouts of depression. Even the process of losing
my parents, I never felt like I was super depressed
about it. It was just it was a it was
(06:24):
a fact of life, like it was a it was
a thing that happens, and I wanted to be able
to or one of the ways that I think I
was able to avoid all that is being there for
other people.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Also.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yes, I had to deal with it, Yes I had
times that were difficult, but I also had two sisters
that were there and they were dealing with stuff, and
then my mom's sister, my aunt, she was dealing with
So I felt like I could avoid all of that
by doing stuff for other people.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
As much as you don't have emotions, you're probably one
of the most emotionally intelligent people. I know that, and
that and that story is why, and don't I know
you don't like compliments, but that story is why. Because
you saw yourself going through something, and instead of sitting
in it and wallowing in yourself, you went into care
(07:14):
of other people, whether it was your parents, or your
sisters or or your family or whatever like, that's very
that's a high level emotional move for you to just
know to do that, not even to be told, hey,
look outside yourself and you'll get out of your hole,
your depression hole, because that's really what it is. Looking
outside of yourself gets you out of all that crap.
And you knew to do that without anyone even telling
(07:36):
you it or putting much thought into.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It, because I've told people to do that same thing. Yeah,
sometimes they listen, sometimes they don't. But I've told people,
you know, people who have struggled with depression or anxiety
or whatever it is, your friends. And I'm not a therapist,
I don't claim to be, but it's just one of
those it seems like it's such an easy answer. Maybe
(08:00):
not an easy task, but it's an easy answer to
tell people, like do something that's not about you.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
If you're sitting there feeling bad for yourself or whatever,
pick up the phone and be like, call a friend, Hey,
how are you doing, what's going on? How are the kids?
Catch me up?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And then gone, or.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Or just randomly do something for so much.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Shopping card away, you know, go to a shopping card away,
go to a drive through and offer to pay for
the food for the people behind you.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
That's or in legend that never happens.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That has happened. You do that all the time.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
People Starbucks do that a lot. I read a drive through. Sure,
when do you go to Starbucks. I'm not saying I
do it very often. I have done it before.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I didn't know you threw away money like that.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I used to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I used to do that when the kids were old
enough to know that money was something to watch out, like, yeah,
keep an eye on. And every once in a while
you'd be like, hey, with the kids in the car,
do you happen to know how much that meal behind me?
Because I'd love to pay for it or well that
them know how much a tip is going.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
To be totally And that was fine when your kids
were young. That was twenty years ago. Now you go
to Starbucks drive through, you go how much for the
car behind me? They're like twenty six eighty five and
you're like, I'm just that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, you just say, I'm just asking. I want to
compare to how you.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Can't pay for the car behind you at Starbucks with
ten dollars Because if you're going to go through the
drive through of Starbucks. You're getting something legit, you know
what I mean, Like you're getting you know, you're.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Buying for the office. Probably No, I.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Mean, you could just be buying for yourself and it's
eight bucks one drink. But you can't do that at Starbucks.
You want to do that somewhere. I can't even think
of a place where it's it would be okay, like
five bucks and you take care. There's no place left.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, even in and out as.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Great as it maybe the only place where you could
get away with it and not bankrupt yourself and hope.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
That it's just conway behind you buying French fries exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But like Starbucks, don't pull that. You'll end up at
the check cashing place.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But that attitude of of doing something that's not just yes,
reiterating this like.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
The doom gloom and Doom doom spi viral. Yeah, of
your own crap totally.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You know, a friend of mine, a very close friend
of mine who's since moved away, used to work here
and and I used to talk to him a lot
about uh, just simply getting out of his apartment. And
he never he would he wanted to, but he just
couldn't figure out how to do it, Like he couldn't
figure out.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
The problem with the apartment. Huh, what was the problem
with the apartment?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I mean physically nothing. It was just that he uh,
that's where he would go. He'd go from work, get
out the apartment, go do stuff. Yeah there was mold
or bathroommate or something to do. Things like go walk
down Ventura Boulevard, or go join a club of something
that you like, or go out with your friends.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Right, just get out and get some fresh air.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, there was a point where this and I don't
know if this would have been healthy or not, but
he was looking he was looking for a new apartment
speaking of, and was going to move up closer to.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Where I live.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And I thought for a while, I was like, that's great,
you know a friend I could we could hang out.
But then I thought about there selfishly again to go
back to me, there was going to be a lot
of times that I'd be asked to hang out with him,
and I don't really want to hang out. You know,
if if those times came up, and I as great
as it would be to have somebody nearby that you know,
(11:32):
you're friends with, and.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
God, I love it when this podcast comes full circle.
Gary is an asshole.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I am a joyless ogre. I think we done some
good work.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I think done some good work here. No, no, no,
I know what you mean. Like, yeah, well, and that's
the thing. But you have good you have healthy boundaries,
like you would have been his friend when you could.
You know, you would have you know.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And I have plenty of built in excuses too, Yeah,
that's why you made those. To then do the things
that I've told him to do, I would not do.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
But I've my.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Idea of joy or my idea of expressive emotion high
or low, comes from my parents, which is they had
an attitude that was almost they didn't want to intrude
on somebody else. So, and we've talked about it before.
They never asked a lot of questions about my life
(12:28):
or my family or work or anything like that. Never
anything deep. It was always very surfacy, so that in
the event something big was happening in my family, they
were there like they would be supportive, but it wasn't
like they knew everything that was going on, and that
they never asked, at least in front of me. And
(12:51):
I never asked them about it because it was always
obviously reciprocal. They never asked neighbors about stuff that they
were going through or close family.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
They were just there for them.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
They were just there.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, because I think there was an attitude of it
would be intrusive for me to ask you too much
or too specific a question about what you're going through,
rather than just be someone who you can count on.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yes, And those are the best friends to have. The
ones that don't ask questions, are there for you when
you need them if you want to come over and
be like, they're there, but they're not going to ask
you all that stuff like hey, remember last week when
you came over and you said that your husband left
you for the dog, Like is that what's going on
with that? What's happening? And you're like, I move past that,
I'm over it, Like you know, he and the dog
(13:34):
are living in the shed or what have you?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
The shed?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I was thinking of rural because your parents lived in
a rural area, not that people in rural areas have
sex with dog, you know what I mean. I love
friends like that deeper. I don't think every conversation needs
to be a deep conversation, And in fact that stresses
me out. I have a friend, Every conversation feels like
it's got to be a deep conversation, and I'm like
freaking done with it. Man.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
But you say, and that's the thing is, you know,
I know there are people if I want a friend,
who's just if I knock on their door at one
forty five in the morning with a shovel in my hand. Yes,
there's no questions, right, there's just no questions. Yeah, and
you know, blood all over my shirt, no questions. Sure,
but there are others. You can't just go grab a
(14:19):
coffee with somebody without the lean in of life.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
But what's it really like in there?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
How is that? How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
All right, we're out of time, but just so you know,
I will totally help you bury bill handle?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Is that do way burying?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah? Okay, I think we all know it.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
This is a gas weekend fixed. This is the part
of our podcast. It doesn't get to air, it doesn't
It doesn't qualify for a normal programming right. The twenty
hours that we do during the week are usually clean,
somewhat respectful, perhaps even prepared at points.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
This is not that. No, this is none of that.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
No, it is not.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
This is like, hey, you wrapped up all of the
garbage from the week, and you pulled the plastic bag
out of the bucket and you realize, oh crap, there's
banana peels in someone's coffee grounds and a half eaten
sandwich in the bottom of the garbage can.
Speaker 1 (00:54):
Well, today's detritis in the bucket is about you, Gary.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
I love it. You are today shit show human detritis.
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Last week we talked about my detritis, okay, and life
and football, and this week we're going to talk about you. So, yes,
put your feet up. I'm glad you put your feet up.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
It's more relaxing.
Speaker 1 (01:12):
I hope your comfy and you're in your hoodie.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
My shoes are starting to give way. Converse, uh, Chuck Taylor's.
They tend to separate right there.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
This is what happens with children in therapy is they
start fidgeting, they start start talking.
Speaker 3 (01:25):
It's a nice kitty cat.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
So we don't have a cat in here.
Speaker 3 (01:29):
I see it one.
Speaker 1 (01:30):
Okay, okay, we uncovered something this week, one of your issues. Yeah,
it's rare that the curtain is pulled back and you
reveal an issue. Normally you're very un disturbed.
Speaker 2 (01:46):
This seems very clinical just to this point, just so
you know, really, yeah, okay, it's starting to get very clinical.
Speaker 1 (01:52):
Okay, sorry, but you revealed to us that you were
in traffic. Oh, and you were on your way home
and your wife was in the car, and you made
it through that tunnel there at the five up through
and the four or five, and that people were honking
their horns and you were upset about it. I believe
(02:16):
your words were, do these people have so little going
on in their lives that this is what they're doing.
Speaker 3 (02:24):
Yes, that's very it's almost word for word what I said.
Speaker 1 (02:27):
And your wife said, wow.
Speaker 2 (02:29):
She paused for dramatic effect, and then said wow, and
that was an asshole thing to say.
Speaker 1 (02:37):
Yeah, does she say that often to you? Well?
Speaker 2 (02:39):
No, But I also, like I said when I was
telling the story, I am usually better about me. I'll
say it in my head and then realize that's a
pretty asshole thing to say. I should probably sit on that.
Speaker 1 (02:52):
I was gonna say, because rarely do you say something
and I'm thinking, whoa, that was an asshole thing, like
you're you don't do that.
Speaker 3 (02:59):
I do it.
Speaker 2 (03:00):
If I say something like that, it's usually for humor purposes, right,
If I say something that you would react that way,
I would say it knowing that it was, knowing that
it was going to come across that way, and to
do it for humor purposes.
Speaker 1 (03:13):
I also, I don't think it's an asshole thing to say.
I think it's reflective of your day at that point.
Speaker 3 (03:18):
That was part of it.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Yes, So there's that. So I don't believe you're an
asshole at all. Still, even though you said that.
Speaker 3 (03:26):
She said, well, not making eye contact.
Speaker 1 (03:28):
But no, I don't. But some people thought that it
reflected your joyless existence my joy.
Speaker 2 (03:35):
Yeah, somebody referred to me as a joyless ogre because
I didn't think it was. I didn't think it was
entertaining to do that.
Speaker 1 (03:44):
Feel joy in your life, yes, tell me moments of joy.
Moments of joy, you can just pick one or two.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Well, at my age and stage, moments of joy are
when I feel healthy, fee like if I feel good
about myself post workout, or if I do something physical
that somebody who's fifty two should not be able to
do that, I feel joy about that. And that's that's
a selfish self what's the word that's a selfish thing?
Speaker 4 (04:19):
Self serving, self serving, self seeking, selfless? No, because I'm
definitely not definitely not selfless, because it's about self. Arrogant
is probably something, but I totally get it.
Speaker 1 (04:33):
And if you're gonna be arrogant and self and full
of self, yeah, that's a good way to do it.
Like that. There's worse ways to be arrogant and full
of yourself than feeling good after a workout. Yeah, that's
probably the best way to be selfish.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
I feel joy at times if also because of my
agent stage and how old my kids are. If the
four of us are together, my wife and I and
my son and daughter, if the four of us are
all together in some place, I feel joy about that
when we were on vacation, the four of us were
all there were others there, but we all had we
had time where it was just the four of us together.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
That was nice.
Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yes, that's joyce imagine that to be a wonderful feeling
of like I built this. Yeah, this is a family.
I built this. Yes, it's wonderful building.
Speaker 2 (05:16):
That's also if I'm doing some sort of a project
around the house, accomplishment, and I complete it, yeah, and
it passes inspection, then yes, I'll feel joy.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
That's good.
Speaker 3 (05:28):
That's so I do have joy.
Speaker 1 (05:30):
Well, run, we've exhausted my therapist credentials. He's got joy, y'all.
Calm down.
Speaker 3 (05:38):
It's in there somewhere. And that's the thing is. Here's
what I what I thought.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
I find funny about my wife's reaction to that, to
what I said, and to other people's reaction to those
times when I'm I could come across as grumpy or
something like that. I thought I was the one that
didn't have a lot of expression. I'm the one who
doesn't have a lot of emotion. So when I don't
(06:03):
go too high, right, and I don't ever really go
too low, I don't I don't feel like i've, at
least not recently. I've never I haven't suffered from depression,
deep deep bouts of depression. Even the process of losing
my parents, I never felt like I was super depressed
about it. It was just it was a it was
(06:24):
a fact of life, like it was a it was
a thing that happens, and I wanted to be able
to or one of the ways that I think I
was able to avoid all that is being there for
other people.
Speaker 3 (06:35):
Also.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yes, I had to deal with it, Yes I had
times that were difficult, but I also had two sisters
that were there and they were dealing with stuff, and
then my mom's sister, my aunt, she was dealing with
So I felt like I could avoid all of that
by doing stuff for other people.
Speaker 1 (06:54):
As much as you don't have emotions, you're probably one
of the most emotionally intelligent people. I know that, and
that and that story is why, and don't I know
you don't like compliments, but that story is why. Because
you saw yourself going through something, and instead of sitting
in it and wallowing in yourself, you went into care
(07:14):
of other people, whether it was your parents, or your
sisters or or your family or whatever like, that's very
that's a high level emotional move for you to just
know to do that, not even to be told, hey,
look outside yourself and you'll get out of your hole,
your depression hole, because that's really what it is. Looking
outside of yourself gets you out of all that crap.
And you knew to do that without anyone even telling
(07:36):
you it or putting much thought into.
Speaker 2 (07:38):
It, because I've told people to do that same thing. Yeah,
sometimes they listen, sometimes they don't. But I've told people,
you know, people who have struggled with depression or anxiety
or whatever it is, your friends. And I'm not a therapist,
I don't claim to be, but it's just one of
those it seems like it's such an easy answer. Maybe
(08:00):
not an easy task, but it's an easy answer to
tell people, like do something that's not about you.
Speaker 1 (08:06):
If you're sitting there feeling bad for yourself or whatever,
pick up the phone and be like, call a friend, Hey,
how are you doing, what's going on? How are the kids?
Catch me up?
Speaker 4 (08:13):
Right?
Speaker 1 (08:14):
And then gone, or.
Speaker 3 (08:15):
Or just randomly do something for so much.
Speaker 2 (08:19):
Shopping card away, you know, go to a shopping card away,
go to a drive through and offer to pay for
the food for the people behind you.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
That's or in legend that never happens.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
That has happened. You do that all the time.
Speaker 2 (08:30):
People Starbucks do that a lot. I read a drive through. Sure,
when do you go to Starbucks. I'm not saying I
do it very often. I have done it before.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
I didn't know you threw away money like that.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
I used to do that.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I used to do that when the kids were old
enough to know that money was something to watch out, like, yeah,
keep an eye on. And every once in a while
you'd be like, hey, with the kids in the car,
do you happen to know how much that meal behind me?
Because I'd love to pay for it or well that
them know how much a tip is going.
Speaker 1 (09:04):
To be totally And that was fine when your kids
were young. That was twenty years ago. Now you go
to Starbucks drive through, you go how much for the
car behind me? They're like twenty six eighty five and
you're like, I'm just that.
Speaker 3 (09:15):
Yeah, you just say, I'm just asking. I want to
compare to how you.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Can't pay for the car behind you at Starbucks with
ten dollars Because if you're going to go through the
drive through of Starbucks. You're getting something legit, you know
what I mean, Like you're getting you know, you're.
Speaker 3 (09:30):
Buying for the office. Probably No, I.
Speaker 1 (09:33):
Mean, you could just be buying for yourself and it's
eight bucks one drink. But you can't do that at Starbucks.
You want to do that somewhere. I can't even think
of a place where it's it would be okay, like
five bucks and you take care. There's no place left.
Speaker 2 (09:45):
Yeah, even in and out as.
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Great as it maybe the only place where you could
get away with it and not bankrupt yourself and hope.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
That it's just conway behind you buying French fries exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
But like Starbucks, don't pull that. You'll end up at
the check cashing place.
Speaker 2 (10:01):
But that attitude of of doing something that's not just yes,
reiterating this like.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
The doom gloom and Doom doom spi viral. Yeah, of
your own crap totally.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
You know, a friend of mine, a very close friend
of mine who's since moved away, used to work here
and and I used to talk to him a lot
about uh, just simply getting out of his apartment. And
he never he would he wanted to, but he just
couldn't figure out how to do it, Like he couldn't
figure out.
Speaker 1 (10:34):
The problem with the apartment. Huh, what was the problem
with the apartment?
Speaker 2 (10:39):
I mean physically nothing. It was just that he uh,
that's where he would go. He'd go from work, get
out the apartment, go do stuff. Yeah there was mold
or bathroommate or something to do. Things like go walk
down Ventura Boulevard, or go join a club of something
that you like, or go out with your friends.
Speaker 1 (10:58):
Right, just get out and get some fresh air.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, there was a point where this and I don't
know if this would have been healthy or not, but
he was looking he was looking for a new apartment
speaking of, and was going to move up closer to.
Speaker 3 (11:10):
Where I live.
Speaker 2 (11:11):
And I thought for a while, I was like, that's great,
you know a friend I could we could hang out.
But then I thought about there selfishly again to go
back to me, there was going to be a lot
of times that I'd be asked to hang out with him,
and I don't really want to hang out. You know,
if if those times came up, and I as great
as it would be to have somebody nearby that you know,
(11:32):
you're friends with, and.
Speaker 1 (11:33):
God, I love it when this podcast comes full circle.
Gary is an asshole.
Speaker 3 (11:37):
I am a joyless ogre. I think we done some
good work.
Speaker 1 (11:41):
I think done some good work here. No, no, no,
I know what you mean. Like, yeah, well, and that's
the thing. But you have good you have healthy boundaries,
like you would have been his friend when you could.
You know, you would have you know.
Speaker 2 (11:53):
And I have plenty of built in excuses too, Yeah,
that's why you made those. To then do the things
that I've told him to do, I would not do.
Speaker 3 (12:01):
But I've my.
Speaker 2 (12:05):
Idea of joy or my idea of expressive emotion high
or low, comes from my parents, which is they had
an attitude that was almost they didn't want to intrude
on somebody else. So, and we've talked about it before.
They never asked a lot of questions about my life
(12:28):
or my family or work or anything like that. Never
anything deep. It was always very surfacy, so that in
the event something big was happening in my family, they
were there like they would be supportive, but it wasn't
like they knew everything that was going on, and that
they never asked, at least in front of me. And
(12:51):
I never asked them about it because it was always
obviously reciprocal. They never asked neighbors about stuff that they
were going through or close family.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
They were just there for them.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
They were just there.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, because I think there was an attitude of it
would be intrusive for me to ask you too much
or too specific a question about what you're going through,
rather than just be someone who you can count on.
Speaker 1 (13:14):
Yes, And those are the best friends to have. The
ones that don't ask questions, are there for you when
you need them if you want to come over and
be like, they're there, but they're not going to ask
you all that stuff like hey, remember last week when
you came over and you said that your husband left
you for the dog, Like is that what's going on
with that? What's happening? And you're like, I move past that,
I'm over it, Like you know, he and the dog
(13:34):
are living in the shed or what have you?
Speaker 3 (13:36):
The shed?
Speaker 1 (13:37):
I was thinking of rural because your parents lived in
a rural area, not that people in rural areas have
sex with dog, you know what I mean. I love
friends like that deeper. I don't think every conversation needs
to be a deep conversation, And in fact that stresses
me out. I have a friend, Every conversation feels like
it's got to be a deep conversation, and I'm like
freaking done with it. Man.
Speaker 2 (13:59):
But you say, and that's the thing is, you know,
I know there are people if I want a friend,
who's just if I knock on their door at one
forty five in the morning with a shovel in my hand. Yes,
there's no questions, right, there's just no questions. Yeah, and
you know, blood all over my shirt, no questions. Sure,
but there are others. You can't just go grab a
(14:19):
coffee with somebody without the lean in of life.
Speaker 3 (14:24):
But what's it really like in there?
Speaker 1 (14:26):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
How is that? How do you feel about that?
Speaker 1 (14:30):
All right, we're out of time, but just so you know,
I will totally help you bury bill handle?
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Is that do way burying?
Speaker 1 (14:38):
Yeah? Okay, I think we all know it.
Speaker 2 (14:42):
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