May 17, 2025 • 16 mins
Gary and Shannon tackle the media’s role in exposing celebrity scandals, using the Diddy case as a jumping-off point. They break down why these stories matter—70% truth-telling, 20% cautionary tale, and 10% public interest. With examples like Kanye West and Michael Jackson, they explore how fame warps perception, why we idolize then demonize, and the importance of separating the art from the artist.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, welcome everybody to the Gary and Shannon Show Gas
Weekend Fix. This is the extra podcast segment that you
get every weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Do you have to have your hand down your pants?
I mean, I know, it's the weekend. It's awful.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You're painting a very bad mental picture for people.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
So funny that you didn't.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Everybody else in the room knows my hands are up here.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's so funny that you didn't grow up around boys
that did that. Like I feel like I grew up
around boys that adjusted.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm saying I don't adjust.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I just know how to read the room and determine
when is in appropriate time.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, I guess I.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Was read as a dude from go because well, I
was not afforded the lady. Yes, the lady things that
you afford at.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Times, you you give dude, But there are also times
when dudes don't give a They don't give a shit
about who's around or who's saying anything.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
He said, he said a bad word.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Right away market They just don't care. I mean, we
know people like that. They don't care, they don't they
don't see you as anything different. They it's not that
they see you as a dude. I appreciate it also
going to reach down and adjust.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, no, I appreciate it, especially with football season. I
appreciate just being one of the dudes. There's somebody on
this floor, by the way who uh continues to do
that as an adult in the building. You know, we'll
just be uh working and he'll just have his hands
squarely down there.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Just live in its life living.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
It's resting there, not even like faking an adjustment, just
like my hand is down my pants and that's comfortable
for me, and that's fine for him, And like I
love that, and I love it he's that comfortable around
everyone here to.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Just and then sometimes to have you need to have
genital touching to be comfortable little. I don't know if
you don't have to do that with your hands, I mean,
your mining of.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
It is just as disturbing as if he were to
walk in here with his hand and his joke.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I don't know if it's like hand on genitals direct contact.
There's proba be underwear involved, but I mean it's warm
your hand's warm, you know, and I get that might
be cold.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
You very often goes the other way.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Really.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, if you're gonna warm your.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Hands, now you feel like you've just got fire between
your legs.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Fire is quite Uh, there was a time I had
a shot.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
My god, I have to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But if you're if you're cold, if you're out in
the wilderness, yeah, that's one of the things you can
do to warm your.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Hands, put them in your genitals.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, but then you're uncomfortable because then you have everything
else gets cold. But I mean that's a warmer spot
of your body.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Just like.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
My genitals are not warm like your genitals are. Like,
I don't think that would.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Work, Yes, it would. It's just an area where your
body comes together.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I want to try it so bad, but I won't.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I'll look the other way. Go ahead, turned around.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
No, because I've done the armpit thing and that totally works.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
All right.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
You have a thermometer in your purse or anything.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That lent itself to so many jokes. So this diddy
thing speaking of thermotors, Yeah, I find it interesting and
I want your opinion on this. Where do you think
it is our responsibility to talk about the details of
(03:52):
this case.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
It's obviously people in the media like, yeah, like we have.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
We've talked about the story on the air. We've talked
about the case, but we haven't had the conversation off
the air like most journalists would do when they talk
in this voice.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's very serious, yes, and you.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Know the what responsibility do we really have as broadcasters
to get into the details of this case? Is it
for good for the public benefit?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
No? Is it?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Is it helping us understand the legal system better?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Like? What benefit does it give anybody for us to
talk about the details and the relationship between Diddy and
his ex girlfriend who obviously there was abuse, whether it
was consensual abuse or not, that is the question on
the table. But why are we getting into those details?
(04:49):
It makes me feel a little dirty because I think
that we're better than that, Like if we can be
entertaining without talking about the details of this trial.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Three reasons now that thank you for asking a long question,
because it gave me time to come up with three
reasons why I think, and I would put a percentage
on each one of them.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
I would say that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Seventy percent of what we would talk about is important
because it is a realization that there are awful, awful
people out there, and even celebrities that are held up
as these ridiculously creative, well meaning, charitable entrepreneurs can be
(05:38):
awful monsters at their core. I mean the stuff that
is that Diddy is accused of and other people that
we've seen, but the stuff that Diddy's accused of show
that that guy behind closed doors is a monster in
my opinion. So that's the seventy percent of why we
would talk about the stuff that we would talk about,
(05:59):
as as gross as it is or as titillating as
it is, whatever, there's twenty percent of it that is
like a cautionary tale, not just the yeah, he's a
bad guy, but hey, here are some signs for you
to look at in your own relationships with people that
you may look up to that may be taking advantage
(06:20):
of you or may go down that road. And then
there is a there is a little bit and in
all honesty tearing, the pulling the curtain bag, there's about
a ten percent reason that that it's just purient, per
pur purient interest that people want to know those solations
(06:40):
they may tell you like and we get comments like,
you guys, it's too you guys go too far with that,
or it's too gross, or it's this, or it's that,
or you know, don't do the don't do the death
and miss dismemberment stories when you guys do True Crime Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
But people listen to that.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And I'll, in all honesty, I'm not saying that we
say these things or the we get into the nitty
gritty details because we know people listen to them.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
It's just a fact of humanity.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, there's something in our in our brains, way down
in the lizard part of it now that we want
to we want to hear the I mean it's gross,
we will stick around to hear the details.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
You've made me feel better with your three pronged response.
Why because I did feel like we were just using
this awful stuff as entertainment. But but you're right, I
mean to the first prong of your argument. It's kind
of the Kanye rule. Years ago. We have a dear
friend of ours who loves Kanye, thinks he's a genius,
(07:42):
and he is.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I mean he is.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
He's a creative you cannot argue that. But he's also
a crazy pants person, insane to the detriment of people
around him and people who aren't even that close around him.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And he's we're all imperfect. He's gone through some stuff.
Mom died.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
They're still dealing with that. And I don't know why
he named that next album after her. She didn't ask
for that, right, But like it's the Kanye role, right,
And like most says it all the time, we don't
know these people, we don't listen, and it's dangerous in
this country, in every country. Really, it's just a human
thing where we have heroes, and our heroes all too
(08:24):
often are celebrities or sports figures. And again, they should
not be given hero status because they're good at their craft,
whatever that might be, because you don't know them. On
the flip side, you don't know their personal relationships, you
don't know what they're like in real life.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
They're all human, that's the part, the human part of it.
Like we like to say that the heroes that we
have in our hearts or our minds or whatever are
lifted up on this pedestal and they can do no wrong.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
They've all done wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Every single one of them has done something that would
probably embarrass them and make you like them life, and.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
How much of a role have we played in them
being monsters? I mean, if you were constantly bombarded with
the highlight reel that is Gary Hoffman, you two might
turn into a monster or a monster adjacent. If you
were constantly confronted with people pointing out your positive attributes,
if you came in glad that you don't do that,
I do the opposite for you. For you because I
(09:20):
care about you. That's why I crap on you that
it sounded like a freak off.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I have to pay extra.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm not going to do that, but.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I'm glad you have.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Using healthy boundaries.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I'm learning from the Cassi Venturas story that that is
a red flag one of them. No, but that not
that that was involved in their story up until this
point that we know. But honestly, like if you were
confronted every day with like Gary Hoffman, you're you're so great,
and you had people around you telling you're great, and
you're constantly bombarded with alerts and texts like oh, you
(10:05):
just won this award. You just you just you just
made another two point one million dollars, Like everyone loves you,
everyone loves you. You're needed here they want to see
you here, you would become a freaking monster. I think
it's it's a very hard thing for human beings to
get that kind of adulation constantly and stay sane.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
How could you? I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, I wonder if I wonder if that's a societal thing. Yeah,
I mean, but I mean the animal part of a
society where no group wants one person to be elevated
too high.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
But we do that to people all the time.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
But then we tear them down. Yeah, I mean that,
like if.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
We lift them up just to tear them down, because
we're monsters as well.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Maybe not the greatest example, but look at Donald Trump.
Donald Trump is a guy who a lot of people
in this country want to just put on a pedestal.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
He can do no wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
There's another segment of the population that thinks that guy's
a monster and needs to be shown how much and
everybody else needs to see how much of a monster
he is, so they'll constantly talk about him in negative ways,
whatever whatever that might be. And again, that's not necessarily
the greatest example, but we as I I don't think
it's a particularly American thing. I think it's a human
(11:24):
thing where you reach a certain level of celebrity, and
people want to find the cracks in your armor.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
They want to find.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
That little chink in the army that they can they can,
you know, poke their finger into and make wider and
tear it open and bring you down.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I don't know if that makes them element.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
There's a lot of celebrities that have not succumbed to that.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That that that that we don't want to tear down.
I'm thinking about females, thinking about like Dolly Parton. Everyone
loves Dolly, Selena cut down in her prime, but everyone
loves Selena. I don't see anybody going after these people
chair females, let's see.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I wonder if that is also an aspect of it,
that it's a particular like that.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
But they've never given us a reason to tear them down.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Blake Lively, on the other hand.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
She's a bitch, okay, obvious, but we don't know. I
think I know that.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I mean watching just interviews with her, and now I
watch her movies and I'm like, she's a bitch in
her movies too.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
She's just a bitch. I mean some of that.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You can't act your way through your personality bleeds through
and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I guess that's true. I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I mean, I don't know culturally if that's a thing
an aspect of other Like do Japanese Does Japanese society
allow for people to be raised to a certain level,
they become a certain celebrity.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
That's every Korean drama, every Korean drama, there's people lifted
up as the family dynasty and then they're torn down
really really dramatic and emotional.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Sounds like you are you great entertainment.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Your eyes welled up a little bit when you said that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You know, have you seen the Goblin yet?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
The what?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
You don't that a horror movie?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
No, it's a Korean drama.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I have not seen that.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I just think that we're part of the problem. We
may be going back to my original thought of us
of talking about this trial and giving it more oxygen.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I don't know, but you're right.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I do like the idea that we are telling people
like just because you love Ditty or whatever doesn't mean
he's a great person you love his work. Just because
you love so and So's work doesn't mean you love them.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
A great example that that you could also say, is
Michael Jackson, I mean, unarguably one of the greatest pop
musicians right ever in the history of I mean, the
king of pop, that's why they call him that, but
had a dark, broken humanity to him that.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Through no fault of his own.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I believe. Well.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I mean, you become an adult, there are certain things
that you do that you know are wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
We don't know that that happened.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Okay, listen, I was about to call you a name.
We don't know someone who is a just we don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
But like, look at that. You don't know. You don't
know what it's like to grow up like he did.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Well, then how do we know what Sean Combs is?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
This is my point being there's an acknowledgment that people,
as great as they may be, in one aspect of
their life.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I don't think production or whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I mean, we don't need to re litigate this.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
But I don't think Michael Jackson had the emotional IQ
to know as an adult that what he was doing
was wrong. I don't think he ever achieved adulthood.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I think did he did.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Ritney Spears Britney Spears is a contemporary example never reached adulthood, right, Yeah,
And that's I mean, that's an absolute tragedy because of
I mean you see in her behavior. You're now she's
not hurting people outside of her own kids maybe or
just through neglect, but making an accusation.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Anything about how much time she's spending with her kids,
but that kind of lack of maturity because of and
like what you said, that lack of maturity based on
you're bombarded with headlines and stories and accolades your entire life.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
You don't know how to deal with.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Doing this with you and see what the result is.
Do you end up in a room with a bunch
of baby oil doing weird adult theater?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I don't know. I'm going to start it though on Monday.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I do have a question. Yeah, how much is too.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Much baby oil? Well? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Sometimes it's I mean, never mind, can we turn this off?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
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Speaker 2 (00:10):
Well, welcome everybody to the Gary and Shannon Show Gas
Weekend Fix. This is the extra podcast segment that you
get every weekend.
Speaker 1 (00:18):
Do you have to have your hand down your pants?
I mean, I know, it's the weekend. It's awful.
Speaker 2 (00:25):
You're painting a very bad mental picture for people.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
So funny that you didn't.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
Everybody else in the room knows my hands are up here.
Speaker 1 (00:34):
It's so funny that you didn't grow up around boys
that did that. Like I feel like I grew up
around boys that adjusted.
Speaker 4 (00:44):
I'm saying I don't adjust.
Speaker 2 (00:45):
I just know how to read the room and determine
when is in appropriate time.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Well, I guess I.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
Was read as a dude from go because well, I
was not afforded the lady. Yes, the lady things that
you afford at.
Speaker 2 (01:00):
Times, you you give dude, But there are also times
when dudes don't give a They don't give a shit
about who's around or who's saying anything.
Speaker 3 (01:11):
He said, he said a bad word.
Speaker 2 (01:13):
Right away market They just don't care. I mean, we
know people like that. They don't care, they don't they
don't see you as anything different. They it's not that
they see you as a dude. I appreciate it also
going to reach down and adjust.
Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, no, I appreciate it, especially with football season. I
appreciate just being one of the dudes. There's somebody on
this floor, by the way who uh continues to do
that as an adult in the building. You know, we'll
just be uh working and he'll just have his hands
squarely down there.
Speaker 3 (01:47):
Just live in its life living.
Speaker 1 (01:48):
It's resting there, not even like faking an adjustment, just
like my hand is down my pants and that's comfortable
for me, and that's fine for him, And like I
love that, and I love it he's that comfortable around
everyone here to.
Speaker 5 (02:03):
Just and then sometimes to have you need to have
genital touching to be comfortable little. I don't know if
you don't have to do that with your hands, I mean,
your mining of.
Speaker 4 (02:19):
It is just as disturbing as if he were to
walk in here with his hand and his joke.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
I don't know if it's like hand on genitals direct contact.
There's proba be underwear involved, but I mean it's warm
your hand's warm, you know, and I get that might
be cold.
Speaker 3 (02:34):
I don't know.
Speaker 4 (02:35):
You very often goes the other way.
Speaker 3 (02:38):
Really.
Speaker 4 (02:38):
Yeah, if you're gonna warm your.
Speaker 1 (02:39):
Hands, now you feel like you've just got fire between
your legs.
Speaker 4 (02:43):
Fire is quite Uh, there was a time I had
a shot.
Speaker 3 (02:47):
My god, I have to talk to you.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
But if you're if you're cold, if you're out in
the wilderness, yeah, that's one of the things you can
do to warm your.
Speaker 3 (02:56):
Hands, put them in your genitals.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
Yeah, but then you're uncomfortable because then you have everything
else gets cold. But I mean that's a warmer spot
of your body.
Speaker 4 (03:03):
Just like.
Speaker 1 (03:06):
My genitals are not warm like your genitals are. Like,
I don't think that would.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Work, Yes, it would. It's just an area where your
body comes together.
Speaker 3 (03:14):
I want to try it so bad, but I won't.
Speaker 4 (03:16):
I'll look the other way. Go ahead, turned around.
Speaker 3 (03:20):
No, because I've done the armpit thing and that totally works.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
All right.
Speaker 4 (03:23):
You have a thermometer in your purse or anything.
Speaker 1 (03:29):
That lent itself to so many jokes. So this diddy
thing speaking of thermotors, Yeah, I find it interesting and
I want your opinion on this. Where do you think
it is our responsibility to talk about the details of
(03:52):
this case.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
It's obviously people in the media like, yeah, like we have.
Speaker 1 (03:56):
We've talked about the story on the air. We've talked
about the case, but we haven't had the conversation off
the air like most journalists would do when they talk
in this voice.
Speaker 3 (04:06):
It's very serious, yes, and you.
Speaker 1 (04:09):
Know the what responsibility do we really have as broadcasters
to get into the details of this case? Is it
for good for the public benefit?
Speaker 3 (04:18):
No? Is it?
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Is it helping us understand the legal system better?
Speaker 4 (04:25):
No?
Speaker 1 (04:26):
Like? What benefit does it give anybody for us to
talk about the details and the relationship between Diddy and
his ex girlfriend who obviously there was abuse, whether it
was consensual abuse or not, that is the question on
the table. But why are we getting into those details?
(04:49):
It makes me feel a little dirty because I think
that we're better than that, Like if we can be
entertaining without talking about the details of this trial.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Three reasons now that thank you for asking a long question,
because it gave me time to come up with three
reasons why I think, and I would put a percentage
on each one of them.
Speaker 4 (05:08):
I would say that.
Speaker 2 (05:10):
Seventy percent of what we would talk about is important
because it is a realization that there are awful, awful
people out there, and even celebrities that are held up
as these ridiculously creative, well meaning, charitable entrepreneurs can be
(05:38):
awful monsters at their core. I mean the stuff that
is that Diddy is accused of and other people that
we've seen, but the stuff that Diddy's accused of show
that that guy behind closed doors is a monster in
my opinion. So that's the seventy percent of why we
would talk about the stuff that we would talk about,
(05:59):
as as gross as it is or as titillating as
it is, whatever, there's twenty percent of it that is
like a cautionary tale, not just the yeah, he's a
bad guy, but hey, here are some signs for you
to look at in your own relationships with people that
you may look up to that may be taking advantage
(06:20):
of you or may go down that road. And then
there is a there is a little bit and in
all honesty tearing, the pulling the curtain bag, there's about
a ten percent reason that that it's just purient, per
pur purient interest that people want to know those solations
(06:40):
they may tell you like and we get comments like,
you guys, it's too you guys go too far with that,
or it's too gross, or it's this, or it's that,
or you know, don't do the don't do the death
and miss dismemberment stories when you guys do True Crime Tuesday.
Speaker 4 (06:54):
But people listen to that.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
And I'll, in all honesty, I'm not saying that we
say these things or the we get into the nitty
gritty details because we know people listen to them.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
It's just a fact of humanity.
Speaker 2 (07:07):
Well, there's something in our in our brains, way down
in the lizard part of it now that we want
to we want to hear the I mean it's gross,
we will stick around to hear the details.
Speaker 3 (07:19):
Right.
Speaker 1 (07:20):
You've made me feel better with your three pronged response.
Why because I did feel like we were just using
this awful stuff as entertainment. But but you're right, I
mean to the first prong of your argument. It's kind
of the Kanye rule. Years ago. We have a dear
friend of ours who loves Kanye, thinks he's a genius,
(07:42):
and he is.
Speaker 3 (07:44):
I mean he is.
Speaker 1 (07:44):
He's a creative you cannot argue that. But he's also
a crazy pants person, insane to the detriment of people
around him and people who aren't even that close around him.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
And he's we're all imperfect. He's gone through some stuff.
Mom died.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
They're still dealing with that. And I don't know why
he named that next album after her. She didn't ask
for that, right, But like it's the Kanye role, right,
And like most says it all the time, we don't
know these people, we don't listen, and it's dangerous in
this country, in every country. Really, it's just a human
thing where we have heroes, and our heroes all too
(08:24):
often are celebrities or sports figures. And again, they should
not be given hero status because they're good at their craft,
whatever that might be, because you don't know them. On
the flip side, you don't know their personal relationships, you
don't know what they're like in real life.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
They're all human, that's the part, the human part of it.
Like we like to say that the heroes that we
have in our hearts or our minds or whatever are
lifted up on this pedestal and they can do no wrong.
Speaker 4 (08:49):
They've all done wrong.
Speaker 2 (08:51):
Every single one of them has done something that would
probably embarrass them and make you like them life, and.
Speaker 1 (08:57):
How much of a role have we played in them
being monsters? I mean, if you were constantly bombarded with
the highlight reel that is Gary Hoffman, you two might
turn into a monster or a monster adjacent. If you
were constantly confronted with people pointing out your positive attributes,
if you came in glad that you don't do that,
I do the opposite for you. For you because I
(09:20):
care about you. That's why I crap on you that
it sounded like a freak off.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
I have to pay extra.
Speaker 3 (09:31):
I'm not going to do that, but.
Speaker 4 (09:37):
I'm glad you have.
Speaker 3 (09:40):
Using healthy boundaries.
Speaker 1 (09:44):
I'm learning from the Cassi Venturas story that that is
a red flag one of them. No, but that not
that that was involved in their story up until this
point that we know. But honestly, like if you were
confronted every day with like Gary Hoffman, you're you're so great,
and you had people around you telling you're great, and
you're constantly bombarded with alerts and texts like oh, you
(10:05):
just won this award. You just you just you just
made another two point one million dollars, Like everyone loves you,
everyone loves you. You're needed here they want to see
you here, you would become a freaking monster. I think
it's it's a very hard thing for human beings to
get that kind of adulation constantly and stay sane.
Speaker 3 (10:27):
How could you? I couldn't.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
Yeah, I wonder if I wonder if that's a societal thing. Yeah,
I mean, but I mean the animal part of a
society where no group wants one person to be elevated
too high.
Speaker 3 (10:43):
But we do that to people all the time.
Speaker 4 (10:45):
But then we tear them down. Yeah, I mean that,
like if.
Speaker 1 (10:49):
We lift them up just to tear them down, because
we're monsters as well.
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Maybe not the greatest example, but look at Donald Trump.
Donald Trump is a guy who a lot of people
in this country want to just put on a pedestal.
Speaker 4 (11:01):
He can do no wrong.
Speaker 2 (11:02):
There's another segment of the population that thinks that guy's
a monster and needs to be shown how much and
everybody else needs to see how much of a monster
he is, so they'll constantly talk about him in negative ways,
whatever whatever that might be. And again, that's not necessarily
the greatest example, but we as I I don't think
it's a particularly American thing. I think it's a human
(11:24):
thing where you reach a certain level of celebrity, and
people want to find the cracks in your armor.
Speaker 4 (11:31):
They want to find.
Speaker 2 (11:33):
That little chink in the army that they can they can,
you know, poke their finger into and make wider and
tear it open and bring you down.
Speaker 4 (11:40):
I don't know if that makes them element.
Speaker 1 (11:43):
There's a lot of celebrities that have not succumbed to that.
Speaker 4 (11:49):
You know.
Speaker 1 (11:52):
That that that that we don't want to tear down.
I'm thinking about females, thinking about like Dolly Parton. Everyone
loves Dolly, Selena cut down in her prime, but everyone
loves Selena. I don't see anybody going after these people
chair females, let's see.
Speaker 2 (12:12):
I wonder if that is also an aspect of it,
that it's a particular like that.
Speaker 3 (12:16):
But they've never given us a reason to tear them down.
Speaker 4 (12:19):
Blake Lively, on the other hand.
Speaker 3 (12:21):
She's a bitch, okay, obvious, but we don't know. I
think I know that.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
I mean watching just interviews with her, and now I
watch her movies and I'm like, she's a bitch in
her movies too.
Speaker 3 (12:32):
She's just a bitch. I mean some of that.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You can't act your way through your personality bleeds through
and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
I guess that's true. I just don't know.
Speaker 2 (12:42):
I mean, I don't know culturally if that's a thing
an aspect of other Like do Japanese Does Japanese society
allow for people to be raised to a certain level,
they become a certain celebrity.
Speaker 1 (12:54):
That's every Korean drama, every Korean drama, there's people lifted
up as the family dynasty and then they're torn down
really really dramatic and emotional.
Speaker 3 (13:06):
Sounds like you are you great entertainment.
Speaker 4 (13:08):
Your eyes welled up a little bit when you said that.
Speaker 3 (13:10):
You know, have you seen the Goblin yet?
Speaker 4 (13:12):
The what?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
No?
Speaker 4 (13:14):
You don't that a horror movie?
Speaker 3 (13:15):
No, it's a Korean drama.
Speaker 4 (13:17):
I have not seen that.
Speaker 3 (13:19):
Anyway.
Speaker 1 (13:19):
I just think that we're part of the problem. We
may be going back to my original thought of us
of talking about this trial and giving it more oxygen.
Speaker 3 (13:28):
I don't know, but you're right.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
I do like the idea that we are telling people
like just because you love Ditty or whatever doesn't mean
he's a great person you love his work. Just because
you love so and So's work doesn't mean you love them.
Speaker 2 (13:42):
A great example that that you could also say, is
Michael Jackson, I mean, unarguably one of the greatest pop
musicians right ever in the history of I mean, the
king of pop, that's why they call him that, but
had a dark, broken humanity to him that.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
Through no fault of his own.
Speaker 4 (14:05):
I believe. Well.
Speaker 2 (14:06):
I mean, you become an adult, there are certain things
that you do that you know are wrong.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
We don't know that that happened.
Speaker 4 (14:13):
Okay, listen, I was about to call you a name.
We don't know someone who is a just we don't know.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
But like, look at that. You don't know. You don't
know what it's like to grow up like he did.
Speaker 4 (14:23):
Well, then how do we know what Sean Combs is?
Speaker 3 (14:26):
I don't. I don't.
Speaker 2 (14:28):
This is my point being there's an acknowledgment that people,
as great as they may be, in one aspect of
their life.
Speaker 4 (14:35):
I don't think production or whatever.
Speaker 3 (14:37):
I mean, we don't need to re litigate this.
Speaker 1 (14:39):
But I don't think Michael Jackson had the emotional IQ
to know as an adult that what he was doing
was wrong. I don't think he ever achieved adulthood.
Speaker 3 (14:48):
I think did he did.
Speaker 2 (14:49):
Ritney Spears Britney Spears is a contemporary example never reached adulthood, right, Yeah,
And that's I mean, that's an absolute tragedy because of
I mean you see in her behavior. You're now she's
not hurting people outside of her own kids maybe or
just through neglect, but making an accusation.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (15:07):
Anything about how much time she's spending with her kids,
but that kind of lack of maturity because of and
like what you said, that lack of maturity based on
you're bombarded with headlines and stories and accolades your entire life.
Speaker 4 (15:22):
You don't know how to deal with.
Speaker 1 (15:24):
Doing this with you and see what the result is.
Do you end up in a room with a bunch
of baby oil doing weird adult theater?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
I don't know. I'm going to start it though on Monday.
Speaker 4 (15:35):
I do have a question. Yeah, how much is too.
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Much baby oil? Well? What are you doing?
Speaker 1 (15:41):
Sometimes it's I mean, never mind, can we turn this off?
Speaker 4 (15:46):
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