April 26, 2025 • 17 mins
Gary and Shannon step outside the weekday rush to get real about the roads that led them here. From college struggles to chasing a career in radio, they reflect on how their education shaped their paths and why that traditional degree isn’t always the golden ticket. They also tackle the shifting meaning of “journalist” in a world where everyone’s got a platform, plus the growing need for diverse voices in media. It's honest, reflective, and full of moments that might just make you rethink your own journey. So pour that coffee, slide into your favorite slippers, and join us for a no-filter conversation!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
There we go, another one of The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Weekend fixes opportunity for us to talk about stuff that
we didn't get to during the rest of the week,
because you know, twenty hours is not enough out of
five days for us to squeeze in everything that we
need to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I like seeing us on the weekends. This is nice.
It's very casual, wearing our pajamas. We've got a cup
of coffee, fireball.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I only wear slippers in my house on a Saturday morning.
That's the only time, and it's even then. It's only
maybe a couple.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Of What kind of slippers are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
The old like literally like look like grandpa slippers, brown suede.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Those are the way to do it. I have those
two with the wool inside. Yeah, I've got two pairs, but.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I can only do it for about ten minutes. My
feet gets super hot. Yeah, I got hot feet.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You get clammy feet with all that hair.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh my toes, my toes get super hot. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
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Speaker 1 (01:14):
Is that the word You wouldn't put Chewbacca in a moccasin?
Would you?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No need? No need?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
So you're saying I have Chewbacca feet is what you're
getting it today. I thought this was kind of an
interesting discussion. There has been a lot of talk. It
actually was prompted by earlier in the week the stories
about how the administration was going to start collecting payments
on student loans.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Again.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Remember during COVID, the administration did away with student loans
and or at least you didn't have to pay them,
but they didn't wipe them out, or tried unsuccessfully to
wipe them out. And I thought about you and I
both went to Chico State. We detailed that in one
of the other stories. But what was it that prompted
us to go to college?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Like what I mean?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Because in this industry, now looking at it, having worked
in it for a long time, I don't think a
college degree is necessary to work it.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I don't know either.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
But when we were growing up. It's funny my husband's
older than I am. When he was growing up, college
was not a conversation in his house. In my house
at that time, it was the only conversation. It was absolutely,
you're going to college. And I remember as my brother,
who was not academically inclined, could fix or put together
(02:30):
any puzzle or fix anything, rebuilding a transmission when he
was like sixteen years old. He remarkable mind, but just
not an academically inclined person. Hated it, always hated school.
And I remember it was this great conversation, not a
great conversation, It was a conversation that kind of dominated
the house of like is Andy even gonna graduate high school?
(02:54):
It was like a whole thing, and he's not going
to go to college. And it was all about because
my parents don't have a lot of money, so it
was all about out getting a scholarship. My dad always
tried to have us play sports, and that was the
way in his mind that we were going to get
sports colorship. And we were both awful athletes, awful. But
I love that raise optimism, raise optimism. Bless his heart,
(03:15):
Oh my goodness. But yeah, yeah, like when when my
arm came out of the socket playing around with my
brother when I was little, and Andy popped my arm
back in the socket. They were like, we've got a
doctor on our hands, you know. But anyway, when so,
it was a big deal when my brother didn't go
to college and then he went to a JC and
that was kind of like, okay, it kind of mollified
my parents a little bit. And then he that wasn't
(03:36):
his thing, and it ended up going to trade school route,
which is the route he you know, he always should
have gone, and I think that they knew that.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Too, and has his successful career.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And has the successful he has his own plumbing business
and everything. It was a roundabout way of getting there.
But he always had work. If you could work with
your hands, you'll always have work, and he can. But
for me, there was no option. There was no like
if you don't go to college, than what it was,
you're going to college, just where And it was never
a where do you want to go to college conversation?
(04:07):
I mean, yes, we did tour some of the colleges
state schools in California. The idea of going to some
place like Boston, which was my dream, was a dream
like there was no chance in holl my parents had
the money or were going to spend the money to
send me someplace that was like a boutique degree.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Did you ever even think of adjoining states like university
and nevatt Areno or Oregon State or any too expensive?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It was too expensive because I we weren't. We weren't
going to be capable for getting financial aid. But we are,
you know at least.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Right, you were in that middle zone, right, Yeah, I
was in the same I was in the same boat.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Did both of your parents go to both of your
parents went to college?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, so I was in that same boat. Both parents
went to college. I had an old two older sisters,
and they had both gone to college. So by the
time I as a junior in high school and that
conversation gets ramped up, like you, there wasn't a conversation.
It wasn't a maybe you take a gap year and
you travel, you know, travel through the andes or something
(05:12):
like that.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, No, no, it was it was where you were
going to go.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And to your point, also tempered expectations about where what
was possible because at the time they had my parents
have been paying for both of my sisters to be
in college. So by the time I got there, my
oldest sister had just graduated college. So then now they're
going to be paying for two people to be going
to college. So it had to be a state school.
(05:38):
I didn't even I didn't bother applying at any UC's
or anywhere out of state, like you said. So I
applied to San Francisco State because it was close, and
Chico State, and that's it. That was, that was Those
were the only two. I just figured I would get in.
I had good grades that the time. There was very
(06:01):
little problem. I didn't have an expectation that I wouldn't
get in.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I looked at San Diego State Long Beach, San Francisco State,
and Chico and San Diego State. There was something about it.
I knew I would just end up in a gutter,
like it was the party school more than Chico at
that year at that time, and I was like I
went to visit and I was like, oh, hell no,
Like this is too beautiful.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It's such a mature thing to be able to know,
well eighteen or even.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
More mature was. I realized that the classes were super
impacted in every major. So it was taking everybody six
years to get out of San Diego State at the time,
and I was driven up, driven enough to be like,
I want to graduate in four years. I want to
get out there. I want to make money.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
How did you choose then?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I don't remember what they changed it to, But when
I graduated, the degree I have is Information and Communication Studies,
same thing with a concentration in media art.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Okay, why that? Well, how did you choose that?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I have no idea. I have no idea. I went
in as a police sign major, took my first polypside
class and realized I didn't want to listen to other
people's politics for four years, that that was not something
I was interested in because I kind of thought I
was thinking about law school at the time. But who
knows what they want to do when they're eighteen years old.
I mean, and I got a job at the radio
station when I was nineteen, and I changed my major
(07:18):
to communications because I liked the radio station. I didn't
know that that was going to be my future, but
I liked it there.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Not the campus radio station, no, yeah, the local one.
I knew that that that I wanted to do something
in radio or TV. Felt completely out of love with
television pretty quickly. Yeah, because you do those things where
you do internships or you do a shadow day where
you follow somebody around, and those I don't know if
(07:46):
it was the was local TV in Chico, I mean,
because they had a couple three four TV stations at
the time.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It was so cutthroat.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, the young, the young reporters who knew that that
was just a stop on their way to bigger and
better things.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
They know what I hated more the fact that you
had to be so perfect and beautiful and fake, or
that I was so so terribly bad at it. I
think it was a real ding dong. I couldn't imagine
just putting on a smile for the sake of putting
a smile. I mean, it probably would have done me
a lot of good to learn that back then and
(08:22):
then carry it through life. But you know it just
I was awful at it from go, Like even in
those those those college courses you'd had where you'd put
on the newscast or whatever. Oh my god, like.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Zero would great to go back and find some of
those tapes.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Oh, I already know what they look like, because I
never got any better, and yet people still had us
do TV stuff and it was always awful.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
But like I said at the beginning, I would have
if I had the opportunity to say to eighteen year
old me what to do in college, I would have said,
get a degree in anything else. You don't need the
degree in the communication field. That I would have gone
with a polysai or something I didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Need to learn about the Communications Act of nineteen forty
eight or whatever the hell. My eyes would glaze over
and literally all the classes, I learned everything that I
needed to know for this job at my job at
the radio station.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
And I've said to before blast from the past name
from the KFI archive. Jody Becker and I did a
discussion at cal State Fullerton one time, and she was younger,
She's probably ten years younger than my your age. So
she said something to this class and we're talking to
(09:39):
one hundred and fifty communications majors there, you know, all
in want to get into radio and TV. And she
said at the time, do something else. Yeah, not don't
get a job in radio TV.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Something you know about so then you can bring that
to if you're a communicator. If you're a talker, no
one's going to take that away from you, right, So
learn something.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That's basically what she said is if you've got it
and you're going to get a job on the air
or in a TV station or whatever, it's baked into
your person, you're not going to exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's what I keep telling myself every day. I wake
up and I go, what are you going to learn?
I'm still doing that And how's that going about?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
You?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Uh, what do you mean? Well across from you for
four hours?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
No, no, no, no, It wouldn't hurt us to go back to
school and do something like online or whatever and learn
something in some other field. You did the constitutional course.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
The other day, right, which was I mean it was
it was a lot of refresher. Not fun, but it's
a good refresher. It's a good it's a good reminder
of some of that stuff that's so covered with cobwebs
in your head.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I do this three times a year where I get
into a local college and the courses and I look
at things and like, what should I do? I can
do this? I can I have time to take an
online course or in person or whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, and my wife going back to nursing school, you know,
in her late was an example of how different you
approach education after you've been Actually you approach it. You
know it, you understand it, you understand that you have
you have time management skills, you know how to study,
(11:17):
you know how to do the extra work that's required
or not required, But would you know, help help your education?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
The want to is a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
The other thing that came up this week that I
thought was interesting because I don't think we've we've spoken
about a lot is the use of the word journalist
almost as a pejorative or or as an elevated uh
status of someone who's a reporter, anchor, news gatherer, whatever word.
Because you had George Clooney going after Megan Kelly uh
(11:47):
suggesting that she's not a journalist and then her fighting
back against it. And then also a CNN guy was
working at the White House was talking about these right
wing influencers that have been allowed into the White House
Press briefing room that are unabashedly right wing. They talk
about their bias, they say that they're biased, but that
(12:09):
they they wear their bias on their sleeve. Was basically
their their excuse or their explanation, and he asked a
couple of them, well, do you actually consider yourself a journalist?
So I thought that was an interesting question because I've
never despite working in the business of journalism as a reporter,
as an anchor, as a writer, I've never considered myself
(12:33):
a journalist.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You spent more time as an anchor and as an
entertainer than as a reporter. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah. I never, when I was a reporter, considered myself
a journalist. That was always like Walter Cronkite to me.
I always thought that those were the serious newspeople. I
was a news reporter, but I never considered myself a journalist.
I would have never introduced myself. I'm a journalist. I'm
a reporter, is what I would say. I still say that,
but because because that's really what you are. You're reporting
(13:05):
things you're not. It was never a newspaper journey. That's
the other thing I think it goes with newspapers journalism,
and the term now is so loose. I remember when
I was still in the field, and that's when the
blogs were starting, and our bloggers journalists and that was
the big thing and should they get press credentials And
I think it's a very loose term. Now you go
on X and everybody's a journalist.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Everybody's a journalist.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You know, everyone's got their their their news camera right
in their hand and they're telling you what they see
and they hear. And I used to hate it as
we got into it, and now I kind of love it.
I kind of love that you're having everyday voices tell
you what they see and what they hear and what's
going on. And I love going to X for breaking
news and getting you know, reports from people that don't
(13:46):
consider themselves journalists because I like to hear it like
it is.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
You know, when canceling people was a big deal for
things that they would say. One of the things that
we kind of touched on repeatedly, whether we said it
directly or not, was the more voices in any instance
are are usually better than fewer voices, Yeah, because you
have a fuller picture of what is actually.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Always hated a pool reporter and I still do. Yeah,
one person in the courtroom or wherever telling you what happened.
I hate that because.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
You can't it's the thing that that I think bothers
me about the use of the term journalists now is
it elevates people to a certain to a certain status
that they may never have actually earned.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
That true, and you.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Are expecting someone who is a journalist, big jay journalist
to give unfettered, unbiased just and that's gone now in
certain instances. I mean, on our radio station, we have
people who are reporters and anchors and news gatherers, but
we don't discourage personality. Bias is different than personality. You
(15:01):
can have a personality, you can deliver the news. You
can deliver the information in a clear, cogent way with personality.
But if you're a journalist finger quotes big Jay journalist,
you're not supposed to have any of that stuff. And
I think that people use it now. They elevate people
that they think are journalists and put a crown on
(15:22):
that person and then assume that whatever that person says
is absolutely the God's honest truth.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
We're humans, we can't do that.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I never had an opinion when I was a reporter.
It didn't dawn on me to have an opinion. I mean,
part of it was that I was young, but I
would I was completely objective. And I remember one time
when I started this talk show that means the Sunday
morning stuff that you started on this station, and then
(15:52):
when you left and I picked it up, and that
was such a hard thing to do, of giving my
opinion on anything. And I remember being at home and
talking to my husband what I was going to talk
about on the show, and I was going through. I
was doing it like I would do an expository essay,
basically just going through, Okay, here's a topic, and then
so and so says this, and so one says this,
(16:12):
and this is what's going to happen next. And my
husband said to me, what do you think? And I
remember that moment because I was like, nobody had ever
asked me that before, and it never dawn on me,
like what do I think about this? Right?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It just it's not a muscle that you it's not
at all at all.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So anyway, now there's no shortage of people telling you
what they think.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
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(17:00):
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Speaker 2 (17:13):
I don't care however you do it ron. That sounds great,
That sounds like fun.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
We're running out of steam. Well I hope not.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It's Saturday morning. I got to go out and do stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
We'll take your slippers off, put your pants on, and
be a man.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Thank you. We'll see you on Monday.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
That sounded really weird to put your pants on. You
have to know the reference.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
That's all. You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
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Speaker 2 (00:07):
There we go, another one of The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (00:09):
Weekend fixes opportunity for us to talk about stuff that
we didn't get to during the rest of the week,
because you know, twenty hours is not enough out of
five days for us to squeeze in everything that we
need to talk about.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
I like seeing us on the weekends. This is nice.
It's very casual, wearing our pajamas. We've got a cup
of coffee, fireball.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
I only wear slippers in my house on a Saturday morning.
That's the only time, and it's even then. It's only
maybe a couple.
Speaker 1 (00:37):
Of What kind of slippers are we talking about?
Speaker 3 (00:39):
The old like literally like look like grandpa slippers, brown suede.
Speaker 1 (00:44):
Those are the way to do it. I have those
two with the wool inside. Yeah, I've got two pairs, but.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
I can only do it for about ten minutes. My
feet gets super hot. Yeah, I got hot feet.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
You get clammy feet with all that hair.
Speaker 2 (00:56):
Oh my toes, my toes get super hot. Yeah.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
You So make sure that you subscribe to the podcast
wherever you listen to it, if it's on the iHeart
app and you type in Gary and Channing and the
podcast comes up. When you subscribe to it, these extra
episodes will automatically populate.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Is that the word You wouldn't put Chewbacca in a moccasin?
Would you?
Speaker 2 (01:18):
No need? No need?
Speaker 3 (01:20):
So you're saying I have Chewbacca feet is what you're
getting it today. I thought this was kind of an
interesting discussion. There has been a lot of talk. It
actually was prompted by earlier in the week the stories
about how the administration was going to start collecting payments
on student loans.
Speaker 2 (01:39):
Again.
Speaker 3 (01:39):
Remember during COVID, the administration did away with student loans
and or at least you didn't have to pay them,
but they didn't wipe them out, or tried unsuccessfully to
wipe them out. And I thought about you and I
both went to Chico State. We detailed that in one
of the other stories. But what was it that prompted
us to go to college?
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Like what I mean?
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Because in this industry, now looking at it, having worked
in it for a long time, I don't think a
college degree is necessary to work it.
Speaker 2 (02:08):
I don't know either.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
But when we were growing up. It's funny my husband's
older than I am. When he was growing up, college
was not a conversation in his house. In my house
at that time, it was the only conversation. It was absolutely,
you're going to college. And I remember as my brother,
who was not academically inclined, could fix or put together
(02:30):
any puzzle or fix anything, rebuilding a transmission when he
was like sixteen years old. He remarkable mind, but just
not an academically inclined person. Hated it, always hated school.
And I remember it was this great conversation, not a
great conversation, It was a conversation that kind of dominated
the house of like is Andy even gonna graduate high school?
(02:54):
It was like a whole thing, and he's not going
to go to college. And it was all about because
my parents don't have a lot of money, so it
was all about out getting a scholarship. My dad always
tried to have us play sports, and that was the
way in his mind that we were going to get
sports colorship. And we were both awful athletes, awful. But
I love that raise optimism, raise optimism. Bless his heart,
(03:15):
Oh my goodness. But yeah, yeah, like when when my
arm came out of the socket playing around with my
brother when I was little, and Andy popped my arm
back in the socket. They were like, we've got a
doctor on our hands, you know. But anyway, when so,
it was a big deal when my brother didn't go
to college and then he went to a JC and
that was kind of like, okay, it kind of mollified
my parents a little bit. And then he that wasn't
(03:36):
his thing, and it ended up going to trade school route,
which is the route he you know, he always should
have gone, and I think that they knew that.
Speaker 2 (03:43):
Too, and has his successful career.
Speaker 1 (03:45):
And has the successful he has his own plumbing business
and everything. It was a roundabout way of getting there.
But he always had work. If you could work with
your hands, you'll always have work, and he can. But
for me, there was no option. There was no like
if you don't go to college, than what it was,
you're going to college, just where And it was never
a where do you want to go to college conversation?
(04:07):
I mean, yes, we did tour some of the colleges
state schools in California. The idea of going to some
place like Boston, which was my dream, was a dream
like there was no chance in holl my parents had
the money or were going to spend the money to
send me someplace that was like a boutique degree.
Speaker 2 (04:26):
I didn't.
Speaker 3 (04:27):
Did you ever even think of adjoining states like university
and nevatt Areno or Oregon State or any too expensive?
Speaker 1 (04:35):
It was too expensive because I we weren't. We weren't
going to be capable for getting financial aid. But we are,
you know at least.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
Right, you were in that middle zone, right, Yeah, I
was in the same I was in the same boat.
Speaker 1 (04:48):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
Did both of your parents go to both of your
parents went to college?
Speaker 3 (04:52):
Yeah, so I was in that same boat. Both parents
went to college. I had an old two older sisters,
and they had both gone to college. So by the
time I as a junior in high school and that
conversation gets ramped up, like you, there wasn't a conversation.
It wasn't a maybe you take a gap year and
you travel, you know, travel through the andes or something
(05:12):
like that.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
No, No, no, it was it was where you were
going to go.
Speaker 3 (05:16):
And to your point, also tempered expectations about where what
was possible because at the time they had my parents
have been paying for both of my sisters to be
in college. So by the time I got there, my
oldest sister had just graduated college. So then now they're
going to be paying for two people to be going
to college. So it had to be a state school.
(05:38):
I didn't even I didn't bother applying at any UC's
or anywhere out of state, like you said. So I
applied to San Francisco State because it was close, and
Chico State, and that's it. That was, that was Those
were the only two. I just figured I would get in.
I had good grades that the time. There was very
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little problem. I didn't have an expectation that I wouldn't
get in.
Speaker 1 (06:04):
I looked at San Diego State Long Beach, San Francisco State,
and Chico and San Diego State. There was something about it.
I knew I would just end up in a gutter,
like it was the party school more than Chico at
that year at that time, and I was like I
went to visit and I was like, oh, hell no,
Like this is too beautiful.
Speaker 2 (06:22):
That's all.
Speaker 3 (06:23):
It's such a mature thing to be able to know,
well eighteen or even.
Speaker 1 (06:27):
More mature was. I realized that the classes were super
impacted in every major. So it was taking everybody six
years to get out of San Diego State at the time,
and I was driven up, driven enough to be like,
I want to graduate in four years. I want to
get out there. I want to make money.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
How did you choose then?
Speaker 3 (06:44):
I don't remember what they changed it to, But when
I graduated, the degree I have is Information and Communication Studies,
same thing with a concentration in media art.
Speaker 1 (06:52):
Yeah, same thing.
Speaker 2 (06:53):
Okay, why that? Well, how did you choose that?
Speaker 1 (06:56):
I have no idea. I have no idea. I went
in as a police sign major, took my first polypside
class and realized I didn't want to listen to other
people's politics for four years, that that was not something
I was interested in because I kind of thought I
was thinking about law school at the time. But who
knows what they want to do when they're eighteen years old.
I mean, and I got a job at the radio
station when I was nineteen, and I changed my major
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to communications because I liked the radio station. I didn't
know that that was going to be my future, but
I liked it there.
Speaker 3 (07:24):
Not the campus radio station, no, yeah, the local one.
I knew that that that I wanted to do something
in radio or TV. Felt completely out of love with
television pretty quickly. Yeah, because you do those things where
you do internships or you do a shadow day where
you follow somebody around, and those I don't know if
(07:46):
it was the was local TV in Chico, I mean,
because they had a couple three four TV stations at
the time.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
It was so cutthroat.
Speaker 3 (07:55):
Yeah, the young, the young reporters who knew that that
was just a stop on their way to bigger and
better things.
Speaker 1 (08:01):
They know what I hated more the fact that you
had to be so perfect and beautiful and fake, or
that I was so so terribly bad at it. I
think it was a real ding dong. I couldn't imagine
just putting on a smile for the sake of putting
a smile. I mean, it probably would have done me
a lot of good to learn that back then and
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then carry it through life. But you know it just
I was awful at it from go, Like even in
those those those college courses you'd had where you'd put
on the newscast or whatever. Oh my god, like.
Speaker 2 (08:34):
Zero would great to go back and find some of
those tapes.
Speaker 1 (08:37):
Oh, I already know what they look like, because I
never got any better, and yet people still had us
do TV stuff and it was always awful.
Speaker 3 (08:44):
But like I said at the beginning, I would have
if I had the opportunity to say to eighteen year
old me what to do in college, I would have said,
get a degree in anything else. You don't need the
degree in the communication field. That I would have gone
with a polysai or something I didn't.
Speaker 1 (09:05):
Need to learn about the Communications Act of nineteen forty
eight or whatever the hell. My eyes would glaze over
and literally all the classes, I learned everything that I
needed to know for this job at my job at
the radio station.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Right.
Speaker 3 (09:16):
And I've said to before blast from the past name
from the KFI archive. Jody Becker and I did a
discussion at cal State Fullerton one time, and she was younger,
She's probably ten years younger than my your age. So
she said something to this class and we're talking to
(09:39):
one hundred and fifty communications majors there, you know, all
in want to get into radio and TV. And she
said at the time, do something else. Yeah, not don't
get a job in radio TV.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Something you know about so then you can bring that
to if you're a communicator. If you're a talker, no
one's going to take that away from you, right, So
learn something.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
That's basically what she said is if you've got it
and you're going to get a job on the air
or in a TV station or whatever, it's baked into
your person, you're not going to exactly exactly.
Speaker 1 (10:09):
That's what I keep telling myself every day. I wake
up and I go, what are you going to learn?
I'm still doing that And how's that going about?
Speaker 2 (10:17):
You?
Speaker 1 (10:18):
Well?
Speaker 2 (10:19):
Uh, what do you mean? Well across from you for
four hours?
Speaker 1 (10:23):
No, no, no, no, It wouldn't hurt us to go back to
school and do something like online or whatever and learn
something in some other field. You did the constitutional course.
Speaker 3 (10:33):
The other day, right, which was I mean it was
it was a lot of refresher. Not fun, but it's
a good refresher. It's a good it's a good reminder
of some of that stuff that's so covered with cobwebs
in your head.
Speaker 1 (10:43):
I do this three times a year where I get
into a local college and the courses and I look
at things and like, what should I do? I can
do this? I can I have time to take an
online course or in person or whatever.
Speaker 3 (10:56):
Well, and my wife going back to nursing school, you know,
in her late was an example of how different you
approach education after you've been Actually you approach it. You
know it, you understand it, you understand that you have
you have time management skills, you know how to study,
(11:17):
you know how to do the extra work that's required
or not required, But would you know, help help your education?
Speaker 1 (11:22):
The want to is a lot.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
The other thing that came up this week that I
thought was interesting because I don't think we've we've spoken
about a lot is the use of the word journalist
almost as a pejorative or or as an elevated uh
status of someone who's a reporter, anchor, news gatherer, whatever word.
Because you had George Clooney going after Megan Kelly uh
(11:47):
suggesting that she's not a journalist and then her fighting
back against it. And then also a CNN guy was
working at the White House was talking about these right
wing influencers that have been allowed into the White House
Press briefing room that are unabashedly right wing. They talk
about their bias, they say that they're biased, but that
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they they wear their bias on their sleeve. Was basically
their their excuse or their explanation, and he asked a
couple of them, well, do you actually consider yourself a journalist?
So I thought that was an interesting question because I've
never despite working in the business of journalism as a reporter,
as an anchor, as a writer, I've never considered myself
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a journalist.
Speaker 1 (12:34):
You spent more time as an anchor and as an
entertainer than as a reporter. Is that fair?
Speaker 2 (12:39):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a good way to put it.
Speaker 1 (12:41):
Yeah. I never, when I was a reporter, considered myself
a journalist. That was always like Walter Cronkite to me.
I always thought that those were the serious newspeople. I
was a news reporter, but I never considered myself a journalist.
I would have never introduced myself. I'm a journalist. I'm
a reporter, is what I would say. I still say that,
but because because that's really what you are. You're reporting
(13:05):
things you're not. It was never a newspaper journey. That's
the other thing I think it goes with newspapers journalism,
and the term now is so loose. I remember when
I was still in the field, and that's when the
blogs were starting, and our bloggers journalists and that was
the big thing and should they get press credentials And
I think it's a very loose term. Now you go
on X and everybody's a journalist.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
Everybody's a journalist.
Speaker 1 (13:24):
You know, everyone's got their their their news camera right
in their hand and they're telling you what they see
and they hear. And I used to hate it as
we got into it, and now I kind of love it.
I kind of love that you're having everyday voices tell
you what they see and what they hear and what's
going on. And I love going to X for breaking
news and getting you know, reports from people that don't
(13:46):
consider themselves journalists because I like to hear it like
it is.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
You know, when canceling people was a big deal for
things that they would say. One of the things that
we kind of touched on repeatedly, whether we said it
directly or not, was the more voices in any instance
are are usually better than fewer voices, Yeah, because you
have a fuller picture of what is actually.
Speaker 1 (14:12):
Always hated a pool reporter and I still do. Yeah,
one person in the courtroom or wherever telling you what happened.
I hate that because.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
You can't it's the thing that that I think bothers
me about the use of the term journalists now is
it elevates people to a certain to a certain status
that they may never have actually earned.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
That true, and you.
Speaker 3 (14:36):
Are expecting someone who is a journalist, big jay journalist
to give unfettered, unbiased just and that's gone now in
certain instances. I mean, on our radio station, we have
people who are reporters and anchors and news gatherers, but
we don't discourage personality. Bias is different than personality. You
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can have a personality, you can deliver the news. You
can deliver the information in a clear, cogent way with personality.
But if you're a journalist finger quotes big Jay journalist,
you're not supposed to have any of that stuff. And
I think that people use it now. They elevate people
that they think are journalists and put a crown on
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that person and then assume that whatever that person says
is absolutely the God's honest truth.
Speaker 2 (15:29):
We're humans, we can't do that.
Speaker 1 (15:31):
I never had an opinion when I was a reporter.
It didn't dawn on me to have an opinion. I mean,
part of it was that I was young, but I
would I was completely objective. And I remember one time
when I started this talk show that means the Sunday
morning stuff that you started on this station, and then
(15:52):
when you left and I picked it up, and that
was such a hard thing to do, of giving my
opinion on anything. And I remember being at home and
talking to my husband what I was going to talk
about on the show, and I was going through. I
was doing it like I would do an expository essay,
basically just going through, Okay, here's a topic, and then
so and so says this, and so one says this,
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and this is what's going to happen next. And my
husband said to me, what do you think? And I
remember that moment because I was like, nobody had ever
asked me that before, and it never dawn on me,
like what do I think about this? Right?
Speaker 2 (16:26):
It just it's not a muscle that you it's not
at all at all.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
So anyway, now there's no shortage of people telling you
what they think.
Speaker 2 (16:39):
Listen.
Speaker 3 (16:39):
We do the show every day Monday through Friday, nine
am to one pm every day. Right after the show,
it's packaged as a podcast and you can listen to
any segments that you like that you don't like that
you missed whatever it was. But then we also do
these weekend fixes, so on Saturdays we will drop an
extra extra few minutes whatever it is, on whatever topic.
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Speaker 2 (17:13):
I don't care however you do it ron. That sounds great,
That sounds like fun.
Speaker 1 (17:18):
We're running out of steam. Well I hope not.
Speaker 2 (17:20):
It's Saturday morning. I got to go out and do stuff.
Speaker 1 (17:23):
We'll take your slippers off, put your pants on, and
be a man.
Speaker 2 (17:26):
Thank you. We'll see you on Monday.
Speaker 1 (17:28):
That sounded really weird to put your pants on. You
have to know the reference.
Speaker 2 (17:35):
That's all. You've been listening to The Gary and Shannon Show.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
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