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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. I feel like it's as weird
as it could get. I don't know how we would
make this show weirder.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Stinging me like I was wearing a speed ough.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We were just talking about stingrays. We were talking about
you wearing your speedo in the ocean.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, I was. I was actually pretty clever with that one.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Hey, Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Happy Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Last year, my husband was stune by a baby stingray
what over the top of his foot. We took him
to the emergency room because it hurts so bad, and
they had a special sink of boiling boiling water that
they kept putting his foot in, and then every time
it would cool just a little bit he was in
extreme pain, they would put more hot water in their
like scalding water, and it took about an hour and
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a half for the poison to leach out.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Wow, crazy, I have a question about that.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Are our baby sting rays more painful slash dangerous because
like rattlesnakes, they don't well that may be a myth,
but that they don't have control over their venom.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
I have no idea. That's interesting. I'll google it. It's
worth a google.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
You should google it.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I think everything do go Google, Google, Google.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Good morning, Gary and Shannon. I have a couple ideas
for your Lego cat.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
One is Bricks and the other one is booger.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Love you guys enjoyed the show.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
First Bricks because of Lego. That's kind of cute.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Not sure.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I think guys always want to name something booger forever,
like it's just something you're born with and something you
leave this.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Uh, booger is a funny word. It's probably one of
the funnier I mean, as a kid you learn the
booger is funny.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I think it's a dude thing.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Like you don't think boogers are funny?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Not really, No, Canna. Do you think a bugger is funny?
It's funny for maybe like an animal. Yeah, but I
would never name any of my pets booger. Okay, that's
like a nickname.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Right, so maybe our Lego cat's nickname could be bugger.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
No, we're not doing nicknames.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh wow, you're coming from a place of no on
a Friday and No, baby stingrays are not considered more
dangerous than adult stingrays. They do have a barb on
their tail, but their venom is not as potent of
the old as of the older. Sexually mature stingrays. I
don't know why they had to put sex in there.
I guess their venom comes from a sex organ.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
No, it's just that they're mature.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I wasn't trying to sexualize the sting ray. You don't
have to get mad at me. No, you always do
that on something.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
To You were the one who recommended hunting.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Wise, I never recommended that. I'll let you know, never
recommended it.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
It's time for swamp thinking of sexually mature Holy cow, nice.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
We got real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
So what I'm not going anywhere so that you train
the squad.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by
what has been. You know, Americans have always been going president.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
They're not stupid.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Have the people voted for you were not swap watch,
They're all condia.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So the big news alert that hit our phones was
that Glenyne Maxwell has been transferred very quietly, very much
in secret to a prison camp in Texas, and no
one is talking about it, not her attorneys, not the
Department of Justice, no one. This is a minimum security
prison in Texas. And it comes on the heels of
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her having two days of interviews with the Deputy Attorney General,
a former Trump attorney personal attorney, and her attorney says
that she was asked about over one hundred individuals, she
answered all the questions, and that the interrogation lasted two days.
We know she had a list of demands ahead of
this testimony, that she was slated to give Congress in
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the beginning of August, which is now, wow, where'd that
come from? Maybe in a week and a half she's
scheduled to give this testimony, And that she had asked
for immunity, just blanket immunity.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I'm assuming since she's.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Already doing twenty years for trafficking and they said no
to that. But maybe this was a lesser demand we
had not even heard about.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Well, and it doesn't it's not clear.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I mean, the timing of it is obviously suspect, and
it makes it seem like, yes, this was a deal
that she was able to strike or her attorneys were
able to strike and in exchange for whatever she told
Todd Blanche. But the reason, first of all, the place
that she was in in Florida, c I. Tallahassee is
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a low security prison, but it is for men and women. Now,
the place that she's now in FPC Brian Federal Prison
Camp Brian, is a minimum security as opposed to low
security minimum security. It's just for women. I don't know.
I assume it's, you.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Know, but just for women. It's got to be much better,
you assume. Yeah, cleaner, it's probably cleaner, more yoga, more room,
more Gwyneth Paltrow, Jade Eggs.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
More girlfriends. Oh, I don't mean like that.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I wouldn't be surprised because when I was watching the
Jeffrey Epstein documentary two episodes, because that's all I could
handle before getting into huntingdon wives. She was very much
involved with the massuse racket in terms of taking her
clothes off as well with those young girls in the
massage rooms and touching them as well.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yeah, she's a monster. She is a monster. There's a
reason why she's serving a twenty year sentence and is
a month.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I don't mean to be rude when I say this,
or anti man, because I'm not that way at all.
But you kind of expect men's minds to work that
way sometimes for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Whatever, it's men like young women.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
That's the way.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It's just the way it is.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
But you don't expect women to ever behave that way,
to think that way, to behave that way, to facilitate
that for a man slash men. It just to me
it's a next level echelon of evil.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
It's also an indication very likely that she was abused
when she was young by whoever.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I mean, I don't know if that's ever been part
of her story or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Interesting question.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The other political thing, at least coming out of Washington,
d C.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
President Trump has signed an executive order that sets some
new tariffs on a bunch of different countries. They go
into effect next week, next Thursday. Specifically, the next step
in this whole thing, this whole plan to change international trade,
so that, in his mind, the United States has not
taken advantage of anymore the tariffs being implemented at a
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later date in order for the rate schedules to be harmonized.
And this is weird because this is yet another layer
of the already hard to understand tariff issues that have
been going on. So after initially threatening the nation of
Lesotho in Africa with a fifty percent tariff, he pulled
(07:39):
back and said it's now going to be taxed at
fifteen percent. Taiwan would be tariffed twenty percent, Pakistan nineteen, Israel, Iceland, Fiji, Gana, Guyana,
and Ecuador will have their imported goods text at about
fifteen percent. Granted, these are these are fungible, they could change,
and we don't know when they're going to change and
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what sort of announcements we're going to see from the administration.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
But this has been his big.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Arguably the most wide ranging issue in terms of the
impact in the future, even more so than the immigration
stance that he has taken and what it's going to
mean in the years to come.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
All Right, when we come back over medicated veterans better, sure.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
We've talked about how.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Psychedelics are now opening a door for treatment when it
comes to post traumatic stress disorder and veterans specifically, and
maybe maybe they would be an answer to this incredible
grocery list of medicines that some veterans have been put
on by the VA.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I mean, you've got to believe it's just common sense
that one microdosed high ucinogenic if that can do what
three pills medications can do, why wouldn't you just because
it's not traditional or ten not that anything's traditional about
all of the meds people are thrown these days.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
We'll talk about this list of some of these that
some of these veterans are on right now.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 8 (09:24):
It's Dan from Anaheim.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
For the name of the cat, you should name it
Gary because just like Gary.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
It does not have a mental monologue or conversation going
on on the show Take Care of Guys.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Um. You do have thoughts, Yes, yes, we've established that.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I think that the more I think about you not
having an internal dialogue, the more I think about you
being hung up on the word dialogue.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's not a scripted dialogue.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's just thoughts that run through your head that you're
aware of.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, I have I have thoughts.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, but because sometimes I can tell what you're thinking, Well, yes,
But I think that.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Those people who are concerned about me not having them
are the people who are annoyed by their own thoughts.
Sure like they're hyper aware of those times when they
are lost in thought or they're you know.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Wrangling, they can't turn it off. It's a negative for them.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
For me, it's like a I look at it as
a problem solving thing. Have you ever meditated before?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I don't know how to answer that.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Like, I use the com app and I I'll throw
on a meditation in the morning sometimes or when I'm
going to sleep, just to clear your mind. It helps
clear all the thoughts and the overactive mind and things
like that. And I think I do that so that
I'm more like you, where I think you have more
control over just.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Okay, it's time to go to sleep now. Okay, it's
time to turn that off.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Okay, time to go to sleep now. Uh. I guess
I've yeah, sure meditated before in the in the vein
of trying to just wipe away, you know, settled down,
calm down. Yes, Yes, I'm okay, good on that.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So see, he needs he needs he needs a time
to clear his mind too.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
It's not perfect, but Cono from the Morning Show came in. Yes,
I had to be Wednesday when you weren't here. He
was really bothered by what I what I perceive as
not having that internal mind.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I think he was.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Bothered by it.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Well, he thought I was a He thought he's been
the crazy one because he constantly hears himself and talks
to himself in his head. And then he thought he
was the one who was crazy. But now he thinks
I'm the one who's crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Well that's wild, because I would have put him in
your camp when it comes to not a yapper.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So the fact that he's got constant yapping in his
head to me makes him crazy.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Hey, guys, I think you should probably name the cat booty.
That way, you can just you know, you.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
Like, I love you, gonna show it off to somebody.
You could say this our booty, Oh you like my booty?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Booty boy, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I think I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Listen, the cat hasn't fully shown his face yet, but
I'm working on it, and sometimes I feel like you've
got to see an animal's face.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
We've got a lot of that too. Don't don't name
it until you're finished with it. So then you can
look at it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Okay, but that is strong.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
That's a strong, early, uh early favorite for me.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
We have talked before about the use of psychedelics and
this sort of burgeoning vein of of medical research when
it comes to PTSD and treatment thereof, and some pharmaceutical
some psycho what's the word I'm trying to say, psychedelics.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Psychedelics.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Some psychedelics have been shown at least microdosing have been
shown to have very significant impacts on people suffering from PTSD.
And one of the problems is the medical science portion
of treatment of PTSD hasn't caught up with that yet.
And in fact, the Wall Street Journal came out with
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a very long piece about how the Veterans Administration and
doctors in the VA have been over medicating veterans. The
hundreds of thousands of veterans with PTSD described not one
prescribed I'm sorry, not one, not two, not five, but
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in some cases ten very powerful psychiatric drugs at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
One of the veterans profiled in the Wall Street Journal
is Mark Miller. Mark Miller served in the US Navy
Security Forces from nineteen ninety two to two thousand and seven.
In two thousand and seven, Mark was diagnosed with PTSD
and the military put him on prozac.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He became suicidal.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
He eventually weaned himself off medications and used neuroplasticity therapy,
which forms new connections in the brain. And then this April,
he had returning suicidal thoughts prompted him to go to
a VA hospital again nurse practitioner. A practitioner prescribed a
powerful antipsychotic in a five minute appointment. Six days later,
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he returned, stepped off a shuttle bus and shot himself
in the head. The VA maintains the best treatment for
PTSD as talk.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Therapy, So that's good, right, But they don't have the time.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
They don't have the time, And I wonder if a
replacement would be arranging meetings where they could talk to
other veterans, like not people, make veterans who have been
through it like rhy like like an apprentice, not a
therapist apprentice, but somebody who is qualified enough through personal
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experience to kind of know the deal.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, I would imagine that that's probably one of the
main steps to do it. Not the in that case,
that guy was on seven different medications and I'm going
to screw up the names, arab pitprazol, view proprion, cyclobenzaprene, fluoxetine, lithium,
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quatie a, pin and tramadol. That's and that's that's seven.
That's seven very very powerful drugs. About sixty percent of
VA patients with PTSD we're taking two or more central
nervous system drugs at the same time. In twenty nineteen,
that was the last year that information was available. That's
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about five hundred and twenty thousand patients, up sixty two
percent from a decade before that.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Did you read about Doug Grissen's He was on a
long I mean longer than a gross realist.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
That's that's three dozen drugs, probably more than a dozen
drugs in one year alone.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
He was prescribed, including antidepressants, antipsychotics, muscle relactance, medications for
nightmares and anxiety, pain, sleep. Now, I don't know enough
about drugs to answer the question of all of these
can't get along together. That's and that's the issue.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
When he was told when Doug was diagnosed with PTSD
and borderline personality disorder, he was put on six different
psychotropic drugs. After one of those medications, dosages was increased.
He attempted suicide, and he was put in the hospital.
And when he had the presence of mind to complain
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to the doctors that there was too much medicine, the
VA doctors questioned his commitment to recovery. You really want
to get better, They said, the only way you're going
to lead a normal life was to take all of
those pills. And again, I mean the list, the list
of pills that that guy was on says four.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Ten.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
That's twenty I think twenty nine drugs. And you're right,
they can't. They're gonna I think the word is contraindicate.
Oh you are a doctor. They are not gonna work together,
and they're in some cases either going to cancel each
other out or worse make the reaction, the reaction to
the two drugs is going to be worse than if
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one of them was, you know, not there.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
And then when you have four teen of them, how
does that you know?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Pentagon officials says several medications at once are sometimes necessary
for patients with multiple medical problems or those who might
be treatment resistant. Service members and their families are offered
a robust and comprehensive array of mental health programs. So again,
this is one of those issues that we have an
absolute duty to figure out. And you know, as we've
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said before, if psychedelics can be at least a saving
grace for some of the some people who suffer from PTSD,
then we owe it to them to try to figure
out how to do it safely.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Up next, Heather microplastics. Yeah, I don't know why I
got excited to talk to Heather Brooker.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
You're going to get microplastics from playing with legos?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I know.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I think I already have it.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I've been pretty vocal about it, and I ran into
some guys in the hallway and they also like legos
and they're like, you're doing legos and I was like, yeah,
I'm doing legos.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
And we don't know these people. They're new, they're new people,
and like, what are.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You guys doing here? And it turns out these guys
who are like, what twenty.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
Six, I just turned thirty.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
You just turned thirty. Oh my god, you're so old.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
I know, I know he's thirty in like five days.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh my gosh. The end is nice.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
So Nighean Patel and Mike Garcia with Audience Hearing. And
this is a product that I actually know about because,
like I said, mother in law's dealing with hearing aids.
Both my parents, well, dad had hearing aids too, and
hated him because they were expensive and he couldn't figure
out how to make them work. And you guys in
this company have put together a very easy price point
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for hearing aids for people, for everyone.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
But like, how do you get into this business in
your twenties? Yes, this is my first, probably the biggest.
Like you went from legos to hearing aids.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Yeah, it was a pretty direct translation from le go
to hear. Yes, actually like that timeline's very accurate. But
legs in your ears, Yeah, that's that's how that happened.
So I actually grew up with hearing loss in the family.
My grandfather has pretty significant hearing loss. And I actually
just take him away from us completely.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You know.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
It was almost worse because you felt like he was there,
but he.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Just wasn't there, you know, And and the smile turned
disappears to a scowl, and it's really weird when you
have to shout I love you to somebody.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Right, because you also feel like that wasn't the relationship
you had, Like, especially with the way that I feel
is I never wanted to be the relative that treated
an older person in my family like they were the
older person in my family. So like while other people
were yelling at them, I wanted to be the one
who's like, we're cool, We're on the same level, like
you know, and and but then it gets to the
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point where they can't hear you, and then you have
to be the person that's shouting, and sometimes they still
don't hear and then the smile goes away and they know,
you know that they'd be smiling if they could hear
what you were saying.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Yeah, and you see somebody who's the life of the
room just kind of faded to the background, which is
in my opinion, like not to be dramatic, but for
some of fate worse than death, right, you know, you
got just you're there, but you're not there, right.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
That was kind of my personal experience with it.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
So when one of my co founders back in twenty
eighteen said that the over the counter hearing aid industry
was being created where the government said, look, we need
to be able to get prescription devices, or make sure
prescription devices are not the only option that you can
get hearing it's without a prescription, without a hearing test,
without a doctor, visit over the counter, and make it
more affordable and accessible. I thought back to my own
life and realized this is something that absolutely had to change.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Well, why was that or why is it?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
I mean, why is it that that requires It's not
like it's a dangerous thing, is it. I mean, it's
you have to go through more hoops to get hearing
aids than just about any other sort of medical device
that you would have.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
Yeah, it's just sort of how the industry was incepted
decades and decades ago, and they just never really changed it,
even though I believe it's about eighty five percent of
people have mild to moderate hearing laws, so they don't
even require the extremely expensive custom devices, but they kind
of made it.
Speaker 8 (21:55):
Imagine this.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Imagine if you wanted to get to work and you're like, Okay,
I need to get a car, but the only car
you can buy.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Is a Ferrari. Yeah, everybody's walking.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You know, you don't even want the card.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, exactly. The car is a sign that you're dying
or you're near death.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
It's like you're you're old. Here's a car.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
It's gonna be the third most expensive purchase you make
behind your house. Actually in your car is what prescription
hearing aids typically are. And it's a label that you're
on your way out. That's just how it kind of
has been the stigma around it.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So I pulled up the hearing aids that you guys
created in a garage, by the way, I love a
garage startup story, and that's what you had. And and
they look they don't look like hearing aids. I mean,
they look cool, look like air pods. They look they've
they've got the same kind of they look like actually
like the Brookstone package and like the the ghetto air
pods that I used to have, but like it's super
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user front. They don't look like hearing aids. They look
like something that you would have. Everybody has air pods
in now all the time, so you're gonna look like
everybody else.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
If you're worried about how they look, I.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Would say, yeah, I know this is in my future,
Like I you know, this is definitely we wear headphones
for five hundred years and can already tell I'm already
getting to the what phase, which is bad. I'm hearing
more what than I used to hear out of my
own mouth?
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Is it technology? I mean, what did you develop in
the garage? What makes them different?
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Yeah? Absolutely so.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
I mean we just wanted to make we had to
make a technology that was first of all, affordable, right,
So we ended up inventing at the time, the first
ninety eight dollars over the counter hearing aid accessible so
you can get it direct to consumer, shipped directly to
your door, you could gift it to someone, and then
obviously easy to use. And the reality is I've got
I've got a supercomputer of a smartphone in my pocket. Right,
And they say, I think I heard someone say that
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there's more technology in this phone than the first rocket
that went into space.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Sure.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Wow, And this cost one thousand dollars.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
So how are you going to tell me that it
cost five grand to build a hearing aid, which in
many ways is a potato comparatively to a super computer. Sure, right,
So the reality is the technology has actually existed, but people,
I don't think we're putting it together in the right way.
And More importantly, there wasn't a regulatory framework to do
it right that you had to get a prescription, you
had no other option, and so that you weren't able
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to even access this type of device. So although we
did a really I think special job on one of
the inventors and designers on the pattern of our products,
inventing these products with the feedback of hundreds of thousands,
now millions of customers, at the end of the day,
I don't want to pretend like I'm just some super
smart genius that figured out how to invent a brand
new technology. It's more just like a group of people
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that actually cared enough to solve the problem and a.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Way to do it cheap.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
It has to be the product's not cheap, but a
way to make it affordable.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
Absolutely, It's just at the end of the day, you
want to reflect what the actual value is. Right. So,
when you've got certain devices that are in the many,
many thousands of dollars, but you know it could cost
seventy five hundred to two hundred dollars to produce them,
you have to ask yourself, you know, why do we
have an industry and why is the medical industry built
that way where people are getting charged twenty thirty, forty
times you know, the cost of something that they need.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
How long you guys been at this?
Speaker 8 (25:06):
So we've been at this about five years? Wow.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
So in five years we've we've become the highest volume
selling over the kind of hearing a brand in the world,
even though we're selling only in the US right now,
and it's been it's been a whirlwood man we have.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Is there an international market that exists? Is it similar
to what would you'd find in the United States?
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Absolutely, I mean we're and we absolutely have our eyeset
on the world. There's a billion people with hearing loss,
one in eight on planet Earth right and somewhere between
seventy and eighty percent of them do not have a
hearing it. So, I mean, you talk about this, it's literally,
I believe, the third largest untreated medical condition in the
entire world.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And obviously we've talked about it.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I mean, you talk about the loss of your grandfather
before before he's lost, and the importance of hearing when
it comes to just socialization and overall well being of
somebody who loses their hearing. Yeah, and this is I mean,
this is one of those things that's that's affordable. It's
an easy way to get to fix some of that problem.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
Yeah, I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
You think about like going out to dinner, right, the
cost of a dinner for a small fan is way
more than a ninety eight dollars hearing. Yeah, and that
device will then give you the ability to actually be
at the dinner, to experience your entire life. So it's
crazy to me because you know, I was learning that
it takes almost a decade for most people from the
time they have hearing loss to actually get a hearing
aid if they get one, which only you know one
in five even do in a prescription world. So it's
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just like you're living your whole life with something that
you could solve now in one day with less than
the cost of taking your family to dinner.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Where do people get them?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So?
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Audience Hearing dot Com is always the great place to
go A U. D I E. N. Hearing dot Com.
But we're also on Amazon, We're on We're in Walmart. Actually,
I get to say it here first, we launched in
Walgreens today.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I could spend all day in a wal.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
It's a great place.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I am totally close to hearing eight age.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
Right, you're simultaneously you're simultaneously ready for the legos and
for the hearing.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
There's a special home for you.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
The diversity that you bring to the table here.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Thank you well e Sean, it's great to meet you,
mikes all over there on the corner. It's great to
meet you guys, and we wish you the best of
luck on this Thank you. Thank you for having us again.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Audien Hearing A U. D I E. N Hearing dot com.
Thanks for coming.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Thanks thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
We'll talk micro plastics when we come back, Michael plastics
sex see.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Gary and Channon will continue.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
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Speaker 8 (27:32):
That was not a no.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
It was not a no. It was not a no.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
But thank Bong is a cute name.
Speaker 4 (27:39):
When you.
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That's why on Fridays we do what you learned this
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Speaker 4 (28:07):
Right here, there is a new.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I don't want to call it Farahnose because that was
a scam, but this one has a little scam whiff
to it.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
There is a procedure.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
That is a microplastics filter for your body. Yale Cohen
is the former man, sorry, former wife of Scooter Braun.
Remember that guy, of course, most famously for his buying
(28:42):
up of Taylor Swift's original recordings.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Scooter B Scooter led be very confused in my mind just.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Because of the name.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
But but Yale Cohen is the former wife of Scooter Braun.
She's now the CEO of something called Clarify Clinics. It's
a startup that offers a procedure it claims can remove
microplastics from your blood for about thirteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I feel like.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
There is a price tag on all of this stuff,
whether it's removing the price the microplastics, or you know
those preventative full body scans. Yeah, that are just kind
of unnecessary. But the rich people go, oh well why not.
I'd love to have all the microplastics taken out of
my body.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Some of the things that.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Go on in your body are probably best left in
your body.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yes, exactly. That's a very good point.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I mean there is something to be said about having
too much information about what's going on in there.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Now, in this case, this clary procedure, it's called clar
i clarie procedure. When Yale Cohen did it on herself,
she wrote on Instagram that she saw a ninety percent
reduction in microplastics after just one session, and she said
(30:05):
that she proved it, I should say, by showing screenshots
of before and after blood work. How did she feel?
Was there a difference? I mean, what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
None at all? Okay, then, well none at all.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
But listen, Orlando Bloom apparently the actor former mister Katy
Perry had.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
As opposed to the other Orlando Bloom.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Right, there's many of them. I'm sure there's a couple.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
But he wrote thanks for the clarify or thanks for
the help clarify clinics alongside of prayer hands emoji. Yale
says that medicine has always been her passion. Her path
to longevity hasn't been so straightforward. Though she was born
in South Africa, spent her childhood around the around the
continent that also came into the US. Has been in
(30:54):
father her father in Canada. Her father used to move
around a lot of different high level jobs at natural
resource companies. She goes to college, she decides that when
her mother was diagnosed with breast cancer, she fell in
love with the idea of helping people through medicine. So
(31:17):
Scooter Braun reaches out to Yale Cohen after seeing her
give a TED talk on her work, and they met.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
They got engaged.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Carli ray Jepson was the client that he was representing
the day, Carlie.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Ray Jepson from call me maybe.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
That's the one.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
She was the one who announced the news of the betrothment,
the betrothed, the betrothal between Yale and Scooter Braun. Now,
this is what's supposed to happen in this clary work.
Blood is taken out of your body, put through a
centrifuge to separate the red blood cells from the plasma.
Then the plasma is run through a clear plastic column,
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a column filled with what looks like tiny rocks and beads,
basically a filter, and it says it can remove all
manner of terrible things, from inflammatory cytokines, microplastics, forever chemicals,
and pesticides. She said, when patients have more inflammation, their
plasma is cloudy or milky, sometimes with a green or
(32:20):
brown tint, and then body.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Your plasma to have a brown tint.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
And that by the end of the procedure it is
a pure golden liquid.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And what does that mean again?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I would understand if you, oh, I feel I feel
decades younger, I feel like I've got more energy, or
I feel anything different.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Nothing, Well, it's been used before, therapeutic Therapeutic plasma exchange
has been used before, they said, to treat a wide
variety of conditions. Lately, it's been gaining popularity among the
longevity obsessives, those people who are talking about, you know,
hacking their life so that they can live to be
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one hundred and twenty or one hundred and thirty year.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
There's always gonna be that lot, isn't there. I was
watching Indiana Jones and the was it the Last Crusade,
the one with the Holy Grail yep, And even that
was the major plot point was I want to drink
from the Holy Grail to have everlasting life. Who wants that?
I don't understand wanting that. Am I going to hit
(33:20):
an age where I think I want to live extra?
I want to live forever?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Are you healthy now?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Okay? Do you feel healthier now than you did ten
years ago?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
What if you just were able to stay this? But
that's not reality, I know, but that's why people down.
But that's why people want it. I mean, I see,
I still wouldn't. I still want to live the amount
of time I'm supposed to live. I don't want to
go gamble with that.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
That is an interesting I want to ask for more,
because that's also the plot of stories as well. Somebody
who does get what they want. But then yeah, but
there was a speaking of Harrison Ford. There was a
Harrison Ford and what's her name? Movie that is Now
he's in trouble with Justin Baldoni. Oh Blake Live Blake Lively,
where one of them lives forever? Yes, the something through
(34:07):
time Nope, the Time travers or Adeline whatever, the something
like that.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, that sounds awful and lonely, and you're just gonna
sit there and watch everyone else die around you while
you maintain your health that's awful. Gotta make new friends
every century. All right, Hey, Big Friday, Big twelve o'clock Friday.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
We're gonna have some fun. Next hour.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Gary and Shannon will continue right after this. You've been
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as it could get. I don't know how we would
make this show weirder.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Stinging me like I was wearing a speed ough.
Speaker 1 (00:22):
We were just talking about stingrays. We were talking about
you wearing your speedo in the ocean.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Yeah, I was. I was actually pretty clever with that one.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
Hey, Gary and Shannon.
Speaker 4 (00:33):
Happy Friday.
Speaker 3 (00:34):
Last year, my husband was stune by a baby stingray
what over the top of his foot. We took him
to the emergency room because it hurts so bad, and
they had a special sink of boiling boiling water that
they kept putting his foot in, and then every time
it would cool just a little bit he was in
extreme pain, they would put more hot water in their
like scalding water, and it took about an hour and
(00:56):
a half for the poison to leach out.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
Wow, crazy, I have a question about that.
Speaker 1 (01:01):
Are our baby sting rays more painful slash dangerous because
like rattlesnakes, they don't well that may be a myth,
but that they don't have control over their venom.
Speaker 4 (01:12):
I don't.
Speaker 5 (01:12):
I have no idea. That's interesting. I'll google it. It's
worth a google.
Speaker 4 (01:18):
You should google it.
Speaker 2 (01:19):
I think everything do go Google, Google, Google.
Speaker 4 (01:22):
Good morning, Gary and Shannon. I have a couple ideas
for your Lego cat.
Speaker 2 (01:27):
One is Bricks and the other one is booger.
Speaker 4 (01:33):
Love you guys enjoyed the show.
Speaker 2 (01:34):
First Bricks because of Lego. That's kind of cute.
Speaker 4 (01:40):
Not sure.
Speaker 1 (01:42):
I think guys always want to name something booger forever,
like it's just something you're born with and something you
leave this.
Speaker 5 (01:49):
Uh, booger is a funny word. It's probably one of
the funnier I mean, as a kid you learn the
booger is funny.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
I think it's a dude thing.
Speaker 4 (01:58):
Like you don't think boogers are funny?
Speaker 2 (01:59):
Not really, No, Canna. Do you think a bugger is funny?
It's funny for maybe like an animal. Yeah, but I
would never name any of my pets booger. Okay, that's
like a nickname.
Speaker 1 (02:13):
Right, so maybe our Lego cat's nickname could be bugger.
Speaker 4 (02:16):
No, we're not doing nicknames.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Oh wow, you're coming from a place of no on
a Friday and No, baby stingrays are not considered more
dangerous than adult stingrays. They do have a barb on
their tail, but their venom is not as potent of
the old as of the older. Sexually mature stingrays. I
don't know why they had to put sex in there.
I guess their venom comes from a sex organ.
Speaker 4 (02:40):
No, it's just that they're mature.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I wasn't trying to sexualize the sting ray. You don't
have to get mad at me. No, you always do
that on something.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
To You were the one who recommended hunting.
Speaker 4 (02:54):
Wise, I never recommended that. I'll let you know, never
recommended it.
Speaker 5 (03:00):
It's time for swamp thinking of sexually mature Holy cow, nice.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
We got real problem is that our leaders are done.
Speaker 2 (03:12):
The other side never quits.
Speaker 6 (03:13):
So what I'm not going anywhere so that you train
the squad.
Speaker 4 (03:19):
I can imagine what can be and be unburdened by
what has been. You know, Americans have always been going president.
Speaker 7 (03:26):
They're not stupid.
Speaker 5 (03:26):
A political plunder is when a politician actually tells the truth.
Speaker 4 (03:30):
Have the people voted for you were not swap watch,
They're all condia.
Speaker 1 (03:33):
So the big news alert that hit our phones was
that Glenyne Maxwell has been transferred very quietly, very much
in secret to a prison camp in Texas, and no
one is talking about it, not her attorneys, not the
Department of Justice, no one. This is a minimum security
prison in Texas. And it comes on the heels of
(03:56):
her having two days of interviews with the Deputy Attorney General,
a former Trump attorney personal attorney, and her attorney says
that she was asked about over one hundred individuals, she
answered all the questions, and that the interrogation lasted two days.
We know she had a list of demands ahead of
this testimony, that she was slated to give Congress in
(04:17):
the beginning of August, which is now, wow, where'd that
come from? Maybe in a week and a half she's
scheduled to give this testimony, And that she had asked
for immunity, just blanket immunity.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
I'm assuming since she's.
Speaker 1 (04:30):
Already doing twenty years for trafficking and they said no
to that. But maybe this was a lesser demand we
had not even heard about.
Speaker 4 (04:37):
Well, and it doesn't it's not clear.
Speaker 5 (04:40):
I mean, the timing of it is obviously suspect, and
it makes it seem like, yes, this was a deal
that she was able to strike or her attorneys were
able to strike and in exchange for whatever she told
Todd Blanche. But the reason, first of all, the place
that she was in in Florida, c I. Tallahassee is
(05:02):
a low security prison, but it is for men and women. Now,
the place that she's now in FPC Brian Federal Prison
Camp Brian, is a minimum security as opposed to low
security minimum security. It's just for women. I don't know.
I assume it's, you.
Speaker 1 (05:22):
Know, but just for women. It's got to be much better,
you assume. Yeah, cleaner, it's probably cleaner, more yoga, more room,
more Gwyneth Paltrow, Jade Eggs.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
More girlfriends. Oh, I don't mean like that.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I wouldn't be surprised because when I was watching the
Jeffrey Epstein documentary two episodes, because that's all I could
handle before getting into huntingdon wives. She was very much
involved with the massuse racket in terms of taking her
clothes off as well with those young girls in the
massage rooms and touching them as well.
Speaker 5 (06:02):
Yeah, she's a monster. She is a monster. There's a
reason why she's serving a twenty year sentence and is
a month.
Speaker 1 (06:09):
I don't mean to be rude when I say this,
or anti man, because I'm not that way at all.
But you kind of expect men's minds to work that
way sometimes for whatever reason.
Speaker 2 (06:21):
Whatever, it's men like young women.
Speaker 4 (06:24):
That's the way.
Speaker 2 (06:24):
It's just the way it is.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
But you don't expect women to ever behave that way,
to think that way, to behave that way, to facilitate
that for a man slash men. It just to me
it's a next level echelon of evil.
Speaker 5 (06:40):
It's also an indication very likely that she was abused
when she was young by whoever.
Speaker 4 (06:45):
I don't know.
Speaker 5 (06:46):
I mean, I don't know if that's ever been part
of her story or anything like that.
Speaker 2 (06:50):
Interesting question.
Speaker 4 (06:52):
The other political thing, at least coming out of Washington,
d C.
Speaker 5 (06:55):
President Trump has signed an executive order that sets some
new tariffs on a bunch of different countries. They go
into effect next week, next Thursday. Specifically, the next step
in this whole thing, this whole plan to change international trade,
so that, in his mind, the United States has not
taken advantage of anymore the tariffs being implemented at a
(07:19):
later date in order for the rate schedules to be harmonized.
And this is weird because this is yet another layer
of the already hard to understand tariff issues that have
been going on. So after initially threatening the nation of
Lesotho in Africa with a fifty percent tariff, he pulled
(07:39):
back and said it's now going to be taxed at
fifteen percent. Taiwan would be tariffed twenty percent, Pakistan nineteen, Israel, Iceland, Fiji, Gana, Guyana,
and Ecuador will have their imported goods text at about
fifteen percent. Granted, these are these are fungible, they could change,
and we don't know when they're going to change and
(08:01):
what sort of announcements we're going to see from the administration.
Speaker 4 (08:04):
But this has been his big.
Speaker 5 (08:07):
Arguably the most wide ranging issue in terms of the
impact in the future, even more so than the immigration
stance that he has taken and what it's going to
mean in the years to come.
Speaker 1 (08:20):
All Right, when we come back over medicated veterans better, sure.
Speaker 4 (08:28):
We've talked about how.
Speaker 5 (08:32):
Psychedelics are now opening a door for treatment when it
comes to post traumatic stress disorder and veterans specifically, and
maybe maybe they would be an answer to this incredible
grocery list of medicines that some veterans have been put
on by the VA.
Speaker 4 (08:50):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (08:50):
I mean, you've got to believe it's just common sense
that one microdosed high ucinogenic if that can do what
three pills medications can do, why wouldn't you just because
it's not traditional or ten not that anything's traditional about
all of the meds people are thrown these days.
Speaker 5 (09:11):
We'll talk about this list of some of these that
some of these veterans are on right now.
Speaker 4 (09:15):
Gary and Shannon will continue.
Speaker 6 (09:18):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 8 (09:24):
It's Dan from Anaheim.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
For the name of the cat, you should name it
Gary because just like Gary.
Speaker 7 (09:31):
It does not have a mental monologue or conversation going
on on the show Take Care of Guys.
Speaker 5 (09:38):
Um. You do have thoughts, Yes, yes, we've established that.
Speaker 1 (09:45):
I think that the more I think about you not
having an internal dialogue, the more I think about you
being hung up on the word dialogue.
Speaker 2 (09:53):
It's not a scripted dialogue.
Speaker 1 (09:56):
It's just thoughts that run through your head that you're
aware of.
Speaker 4 (10:01):
Yeah, I have I have thoughts.
Speaker 1 (10:03):
Yeah, but because sometimes I can tell what you're thinking, Well, yes,
But I think that.
Speaker 5 (10:12):
Those people who are concerned about me not having them
are the people who are annoyed by their own thoughts.
Sure like they're hyper aware of those times when they
are lost in thought or they're you know.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Wrangling, they can't turn it off. It's a negative for them.
Speaker 6 (10:30):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
For me, it's like a I look at it as
a problem solving thing. Have you ever meditated before?
Speaker 4 (10:37):
I don't know how to answer that.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Like, I use the com app and I I'll throw
on a meditation in the morning sometimes or when I'm
going to sleep, just to clear your mind. It helps
clear all the thoughts and the overactive mind and things
like that. And I think I do that so that
I'm more like you, where I think you have more
control over just.
Speaker 2 (10:59):
Okay, it's time to go to sleep now. Okay, it's
time to turn that off.
Speaker 5 (11:03):
Okay, time to go to sleep now. Uh. I guess
I've yeah, sure meditated before in the in the vein
of trying to just wipe away, you know, settled down,
calm down. Yes, Yes, I'm okay, good on that.
Speaker 2 (11:25):
So see, he needs he needs he needs a time
to clear his mind too.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
It's not perfect, but Cono from the Morning Show came in. Yes,
I had to be Wednesday when you weren't here. He
was really bothered by what I what I perceive as
not having that internal mind.
Speaker 4 (11:46):
I think he was.
Speaker 2 (11:46):
Bothered by it.
Speaker 5 (11:47):
Well, he thought I was a He thought he's been
the crazy one because he constantly hears himself and talks
to himself in his head. And then he thought he
was the one who was crazy. But now he thinks
I'm the one who's crazy.
Speaker 1 (12:00):
Well that's wild, because I would have put him in
your camp when it comes to not a yapper.
Speaker 4 (12:06):
Yeah, I agree.
Speaker 1 (12:07):
So the fact that he's got constant yapping in his
head to me makes him crazy.
Speaker 4 (12:13):
Hey, guys, I think you should probably name the cat booty.
That way, you can just you know, you.
Speaker 8 (12:20):
Like, I love you, gonna show it off to somebody.
You could say this our booty, Oh you like my booty?
Speaker 4 (12:26):
Booty boy, Oh my gosh.
Speaker 2 (12:30):
I think I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:32):
Listen, the cat hasn't fully shown his face yet, but
I'm working on it, and sometimes I feel like you've
got to see an animal's face.
Speaker 5 (12:41):
We've got a lot of that too. Don't don't name
it until you're finished with it. So then you can
look at it.
Speaker 4 (12:47):
Okay, but that is strong.
Speaker 1 (12:49):
That's a strong, early, uh early favorite for me.
Speaker 5 (12:53):
We have talked before about the use of psychedelics and
this sort of burgeoning vein of of medical research when
it comes to PTSD and treatment thereof, and some pharmaceutical
some psycho what's the word I'm trying to say, psychedelics.
Speaker 2 (13:12):
Psychedelics.
Speaker 5 (13:13):
Some psychedelics have been shown at least microdosing have been
shown to have very significant impacts on people suffering from PTSD.
And one of the problems is the medical science portion
of treatment of PTSD hasn't caught up with that yet.
And in fact, the Wall Street Journal came out with
(13:35):
a very long piece about how the Veterans Administration and
doctors in the VA have been over medicating veterans. The
hundreds of thousands of veterans with PTSD described not one
prescribed I'm sorry, not one, not two, not five, but
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in some cases ten very powerful psychiatric drugs at the
same time.
Speaker 1 (14:05):
One of the veterans profiled in the Wall Street Journal
is Mark Miller. Mark Miller served in the US Navy
Security Forces from nineteen ninety two to two thousand and seven.
In two thousand and seven, Mark was diagnosed with PTSD
and the military put him on prozac.
Speaker 2 (14:23):
He became suicidal.
Speaker 1 (14:25):
He eventually weaned himself off medications and used neuroplasticity therapy,
which forms new connections in the brain. And then this April,
he had returning suicidal thoughts prompted him to go to
a VA hospital again nurse practitioner. A practitioner prescribed a
powerful antipsychotic in a five minute appointment. Six days later,
(14:47):
he returned, stepped off a shuttle bus and shot himself
in the head. The VA maintains the best treatment for
PTSD as talk.
Speaker 2 (14:58):
Therapy, So that's good, right, But they don't have the time.
Speaker 1 (15:03):
They don't have the time, And I wonder if a
replacement would be arranging meetings where they could talk to
other veterans, like not people, make veterans who have been
through it like rhy like like an apprentice, not a
therapist apprentice, but somebody who is qualified enough through personal
(15:24):
experience to kind of know the deal.
Speaker 4 (15:27):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (15:27):
Yeah, I would imagine that that's probably one of the
main steps to do it. Not the in that case,
that guy was on seven different medications and I'm going
to screw up the names, arab pitprazol, view proprion, cyclobenzaprene, fluoxetine, lithium,
(15:49):
quatie a, pin and tramadol. That's and that's that's seven.
That's seven very very powerful drugs. About sixty percent of
VA patients with PTSD we're taking two or more central
nervous system drugs at the same time. In twenty nineteen,
that was the last year that information was available. That's
(16:11):
about five hundred and twenty thousand patients, up sixty two
percent from a decade before that.
Speaker 1 (16:18):
Did you read about Doug Grissen's He was on a
long I mean longer than a gross realist.
Speaker 2 (16:27):
That's that's three dozen drugs, probably more than a dozen
drugs in one year alone.
Speaker 1 (16:32):
He was prescribed, including antidepressants, antipsychotics, muscle relactance, medications for
nightmares and anxiety, pain, sleep. Now, I don't know enough
about drugs to answer the question of all of these
can't get along together. That's and that's the issue.
Speaker 5 (16:49):
When he was told when Doug was diagnosed with PTSD
and borderline personality disorder, he was put on six different
psychotropic drugs. After one of those medications, dosages was increased.
He attempted suicide, and he was put in the hospital.
And when he had the presence of mind to complain
(17:10):
to the doctors that there was too much medicine, the
VA doctors questioned his commitment to recovery. You really want
to get better, They said, the only way you're going
to lead a normal life was to take all of
those pills. And again, I mean the list, the list
of pills that that guy was on says four.
Speaker 2 (17:33):
Ten.
Speaker 5 (17:34):
That's twenty I think twenty nine drugs. And you're right,
they can't. They're gonna I think the word is contraindicate.
Oh you are a doctor. They are not gonna work together,
and they're in some cases either going to cancel each
other out or worse make the reaction, the reaction to
the two drugs is going to be worse than if
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one of them was, you know, not there.
Speaker 2 (17:58):
And then when you have four teen of them, how
does that you know?
Speaker 4 (18:02):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (18:03):
Pentagon officials says several medications at once are sometimes necessary
for patients with multiple medical problems or those who might
be treatment resistant. Service members and their families are offered
a robust and comprehensive array of mental health programs. So again,
this is one of those issues that we have an
absolute duty to figure out. And you know, as we've
(18:26):
said before, if psychedelics can be at least a saving
grace for some of the some people who suffer from PTSD,
then we owe it to them to try to figure
out how to do it safely.
Speaker 2 (18:39):
Up next, Heather microplastics. Yeah, I don't know why I
got excited to talk to Heather Brooker.
Speaker 4 (18:44):
You're going to get microplastics from playing with legos?
Speaker 1 (18:47):
I know.
Speaker 2 (18:47):
I think I already have it.
Speaker 6 (18:49):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on Demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (18:56):
Listen.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I've been pretty vocal about it, and I ran into
some guys in the hallway and they also like legos
and they're like, you're doing legos and I was like, yeah,
I'm doing legos.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
And we don't know these people. They're new, they're new people,
and like, what are.
Speaker 1 (19:08):
You guys doing here? And it turns out these guys
who are like, what twenty.
Speaker 8 (19:12):
Six, I just turned thirty.
Speaker 2 (19:14):
You just turned thirty. Oh my god, you're so old.
Speaker 8 (19:17):
I know, I know he's thirty in like five days.
Speaker 2 (19:20):
Oh my gosh. The end is nice.
Speaker 5 (19:23):
So Nighean Patel and Mike Garcia with Audience Hearing. And
this is a product that I actually know about because,
like I said, mother in law's dealing with hearing aids.
Both my parents, well, dad had hearing aids too, and
hated him because they were expensive and he couldn't figure
out how to make them work. And you guys in
this company have put together a very easy price point
(19:48):
for hearing aids for people, for everyone.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
But like, how do you get into this business in
your twenties? Yes, this is my first, probably the biggest.
Like you went from legos to hearing aids.
Speaker 7 (19:58):
Yeah, it was a pretty direct translation from le go
to hear. Yes, actually like that timeline's very accurate. But
legs in your ears, Yeah, that's that's how that happened.
So I actually grew up with hearing loss in the family.
My grandfather has pretty significant hearing loss. And I actually
just take him away from us completely.
Speaker 3 (20:12):
You know.
Speaker 8 (20:12):
It was almost worse because you felt like he was there,
but he.
Speaker 7 (20:15):
Just wasn't there, you know, And and the smile turned
disappears to a scowl, and it's really weird when you
have to shout I love you to somebody.
Speaker 1 (20:22):
Right, because you also feel like that wasn't the relationship
you had, Like, especially with the way that I feel
is I never wanted to be the relative that treated
an older person in my family like they were the
older person in my family. So like while other people
were yelling at them, I wanted to be the one
who's like, we're cool, We're on the same level, like
you know, and and but then it gets to the
(20:42):
point where they can't hear you, and then you have
to be the person that's shouting, and sometimes they still
don't hear and then the smile goes away and they know,
you know that they'd be smiling if they could hear
what you were saying.
Speaker 7 (20:52):
Yeah, and you see somebody who's the life of the
room just kind of faded to the background, which is
in my opinion, like not to be dramatic, but for
some of fate worse than death, right, you know, you
got just you're there, but you're not there, right.
Speaker 8 (21:02):
That was kind of my personal experience with it.
Speaker 7 (21:04):
So when one of my co founders back in twenty
eighteen said that the over the counter hearing aid industry
was being created where the government said, look, we need
to be able to get prescription devices, or make sure
prescription devices are not the only option that you can
get hearing it's without a prescription, without a hearing test,
without a doctor, visit over the counter, and make it
more affordable and accessible. I thought back to my own
life and realized this is something that absolutely had to change.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
Well, why was that or why is it?
Speaker 5 (21:27):
I mean, why is it that that requires It's not
like it's a dangerous thing, is it. I mean, it's
you have to go through more hoops to get hearing
aids than just about any other sort of medical device
that you would have.
Speaker 7 (21:39):
Yeah, it's just sort of how the industry was incepted
decades and decades ago, and they just never really changed it,
even though I believe it's about eighty five percent of
people have mild to moderate hearing laws, so they don't
even require the extremely expensive custom devices, but they kind
of made it.
Speaker 8 (21:55):
Imagine this.
Speaker 7 (21:56):
Imagine if you wanted to get to work and you're like, Okay,
I need to get a car, but the only car
you can buy.
Speaker 8 (22:01):
Is a Ferrari. Yeah, everybody's walking.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
You know, you don't even want the card.
Speaker 1 (22:08):
Yeah, exactly. The car is a sign that you're dying
or you're near death.
Speaker 8 (22:13):
It's like you're you're old. Here's a car.
Speaker 7 (22:14):
It's gonna be the third most expensive purchase you make
behind your house. Actually in your car is what prescription
hearing aids typically are. And it's a label that you're
on your way out. That's just how it kind of
has been the stigma around it.
Speaker 1 (22:25):
So I pulled up the hearing aids that you guys
created in a garage, by the way, I love a
garage startup story, and that's what you had. And and
they look they don't look like hearing aids. I mean,
they look cool, look like air pods. They look they've
they've got the same kind of they look like actually
like the Brookstone package and like the the ghetto air
pods that I used to have, but like it's super
(22:48):
user front. They don't look like hearing aids. They look
like something that you would have. Everybody has air pods
in now all the time, so you're gonna look like
everybody else.
Speaker 2 (22:56):
If you're worried about how they look, I.
Speaker 1 (22:58):
Would say, yeah, I know this is in my future,
Like I you know, this is definitely we wear headphones
for five hundred years and can already tell I'm already
getting to the what phase, which is bad. I'm hearing
more what than I used to hear out of my
own mouth?
Speaker 6 (23:16):
Yeah?
Speaker 5 (23:17):
Is it technology? I mean, what did you develop in
the garage? What makes them different?
Speaker 8 (23:23):
Yeah? Absolutely so.
Speaker 7 (23:23):
I mean we just wanted to make we had to
make a technology that was first of all, affordable, right,
So we ended up inventing at the time, the first
ninety eight dollars over the counter hearing aid accessible so
you can get it direct to consumer, shipped directly to
your door, you could gift it to someone, and then
obviously easy to use. And the reality is I've got
I've got a supercomputer of a smartphone in my pocket. Right,
And they say, I think I heard someone say that
(23:45):
there's more technology in this phone than the first rocket
that went into space.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Sure.
Speaker 8 (23:50):
Wow, And this cost one thousand dollars.
Speaker 7 (23:53):
So how are you going to tell me that it
cost five grand to build a hearing aid, which in
many ways is a potato comparatively to a super computer. Sure, right,
So the reality is the technology has actually existed, but people,
I don't think we're putting it together in the right way.
And More importantly, there wasn't a regulatory framework to do
it right that you had to get a prescription, you
had no other option, and so that you weren't able
(24:14):
to even access this type of device. So although we
did a really I think special job on one of
the inventors and designers on the pattern of our products,
inventing these products with the feedback of hundreds of thousands,
now millions of customers, at the end of the day,
I don't want to pretend like I'm just some super
smart genius that figured out how to invent a brand
new technology. It's more just like a group of people
(24:35):
that actually cared enough to solve the problem and a.
Speaker 2 (24:37):
Way to do it cheap.
Speaker 1 (24:39):
It has to be the product's not cheap, but a
way to make it affordable.
Speaker 7 (24:42):
Absolutely, It's just at the end of the day, you
want to reflect what the actual value is. Right. So,
when you've got certain devices that are in the many,
many thousands of dollars, but you know it could cost
seventy five hundred to two hundred dollars to produce them,
you have to ask yourself, you know, why do we
have an industry and why is the medical industry built
that way where people are getting charged twenty thirty, forty
times you know, the cost of something that they need.
Speaker 2 (25:05):
How long you guys been at this?
Speaker 8 (25:06):
So we've been at this about five years? Wow.
Speaker 7 (25:08):
So in five years we've we've become the highest volume
selling over the kind of hearing a brand in the world,
even though we're selling only in the US right now,
and it's been it's been a whirlwood man we have.
Speaker 5 (25:17):
Is there an international market that exists? Is it similar
to what would you'd find in the United States?
Speaker 7 (25:21):
Absolutely, I mean we're and we absolutely have our eyeset
on the world. There's a billion people with hearing loss,
one in eight on planet Earth right and somewhere between
seventy and eighty percent of them do not have a
hearing it. So, I mean, you talk about this, it's literally,
I believe, the third largest untreated medical condition in the
entire world.
Speaker 4 (25:36):
And obviously we've talked about it.
Speaker 5 (25:38):
I mean, you talk about the loss of your grandfather
before before he's lost, and the importance of hearing when
it comes to just socialization and overall well being of
somebody who loses their hearing. Yeah, and this is I mean,
this is one of those things that's that's affordable. It's
an easy way to get to fix some of that problem.
Speaker 8 (25:55):
Yeah, I mean it's crazy.
Speaker 7 (25:56):
You think about like going out to dinner, right, the
cost of a dinner for a small fan is way
more than a ninety eight dollars hearing. Yeah, and that
device will then give you the ability to actually be
at the dinner, to experience your entire life. So it's
crazy to me because you know, I was learning that
it takes almost a decade for most people from the
time they have hearing loss to actually get a hearing
aid if they get one, which only you know one
in five even do in a prescription world. So it's
(26:18):
just like you're living your whole life with something that
you could solve now in one day with less than
the cost of taking your family to dinner.
Speaker 4 (26:27):
Where do people get them?
Speaker 3 (26:28):
So?
Speaker 7 (26:28):
Audience Hearing dot Com is always the great place to
go A U. D I E. N. Hearing dot Com.
But we're also on Amazon, We're on We're in Walmart. Actually,
I get to say it here first, we launched in
Walgreens today.
Speaker 2 (26:41):
I could spend all day in a wal.
Speaker 8 (26:46):
It's a great place.
Speaker 2 (26:48):
I am totally close to hearing eight age.
Speaker 7 (26:51):
Right, you're simultaneously you're simultaneously ready for the legos and
for the hearing.
Speaker 4 (26:56):
There's a special home for you.
Speaker 8 (27:00):
The diversity that you bring to the table here.
Speaker 5 (27:02):
Thank you well e Sean, it's great to meet you,
mikes all over there on the corner. It's great to
meet you guys, and we wish you the best of
luck on this Thank you. Thank you for having us again.
Speaker 4 (27:11):
Audien Hearing A U. D I E. N Hearing dot com.
Thanks for coming.
Speaker 8 (27:16):
Thanks thanks for having me.
Speaker 2 (27:17):
We'll talk micro plastics when we come back, Michael plastics
sex see.
Speaker 4 (27:22):
Gary and Channon will continue.
Speaker 6 (27:24):
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Speaker 8 (27:32):
That was not a no.
Speaker 4 (27:33):
It was not a no. It was not a no.
Speaker 2 (27:35):
But thank Bong is a cute name.
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That's why on Fridays we do what you learned this
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Speaker 4 (28:07):
Right here, there is a new.
Speaker 5 (28:12):
I don't want to call it Farahnose because that was
a scam, but this one has a little scam whiff
to it.
Speaker 4 (28:19):
There is a procedure.
Speaker 5 (28:22):
That is a microplastics filter for your body. Yale Cohen
is the former man, sorry, former wife of Scooter Braun.
Remember that guy, of course, most famously for his buying
(28:42):
up of Taylor Swift's original recordings.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Scooter B Scooter led be very confused in my mind just.
Speaker 4 (28:50):
Because of the name.
Speaker 5 (28:52):
But but Yale Cohen is the former wife of Scooter Braun.
She's now the CEO of something called Clarify Clinics. It's
a startup that offers a procedure it claims can remove
microplastics from your blood for about thirteen thousand dollars.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
I feel like.
Speaker 1 (29:10):
There is a price tag on all of this stuff,
whether it's removing the price the microplastics, or you know
those preventative full body scans. Yeah, that are just kind
of unnecessary. But the rich people go, oh well why not.
I'd love to have all the microplastics taken out of
my body.
Speaker 4 (29:29):
Some of the things that.
Speaker 5 (29:31):
Go on in your body are probably best left in
your body.
Speaker 2 (29:35):
Yes, exactly. That's a very good point.
Speaker 5 (29:38):
I mean there is something to be said about having
too much information about what's going on in there.
Speaker 8 (29:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (29:43):
Now, in this case, this clary procedure, it's called clar
i clarie procedure. When Yale Cohen did it on herself,
she wrote on Instagram that she saw a ninety percent
reduction in microplastics after just one session, and she said
(30:05):
that she proved it, I should say, by showing screenshots
of before and after blood work. How did she feel?
Was there a difference? I mean, what does that mean?
Speaker 4 (30:14):
None at all? Okay, then, well none at all.
Speaker 5 (30:18):
But listen, Orlando Bloom apparently the actor former mister Katy
Perry had.
Speaker 2 (30:26):
As opposed to the other Orlando Bloom.
Speaker 4 (30:28):
Right, there's many of them. I'm sure there's a couple.
Speaker 5 (30:32):
But he wrote thanks for the clarify or thanks for
the help clarify clinics alongside of prayer hands emoji. Yale
says that medicine has always been her passion. Her path
to longevity hasn't been so straightforward. Though she was born
in South Africa, spent her childhood around the around the
continent that also came into the US. Has been in
(30:54):
father her father in Canada. Her father used to move
around a lot of different high level jobs at natural
resource companies. She goes to college, she decides that when
her mother was diagnosed with breast cancer, she fell in
love with the idea of helping people through medicine. So
(31:17):
Scooter Braun reaches out to Yale Cohen after seeing her
give a TED talk on her work, and they met.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
They got engaged.
Speaker 5 (31:25):
Carli ray Jepson was the client that he was representing
the day, Carlie.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Ray Jepson from call me maybe.
Speaker 4 (31:31):
That's the one.
Speaker 5 (31:33):
She was the one who announced the news of the betrothment,
the betrothed, the betrothal between Yale and Scooter Braun. Now,
this is what's supposed to happen in this clary work.
Blood is taken out of your body, put through a
centrifuge to separate the red blood cells from the plasma.
Then the plasma is run through a clear plastic column,
(31:56):
a column filled with what looks like tiny rocks and beads,
basically a filter, and it says it can remove all
manner of terrible things, from inflammatory cytokines, microplastics, forever chemicals,
and pesticides. She said, when patients have more inflammation, their
plasma is cloudy or milky, sometimes with a green or
(32:20):
brown tint, and then body.
Speaker 2 (32:22):
Your plasma to have a brown tint.
Speaker 5 (32:23):
And that by the end of the procedure it is
a pure golden liquid.
Speaker 2 (32:28):
And what does that mean again?
Speaker 1 (32:30):
I would understand if you, oh, I feel I feel
decades younger, I feel like I've got more energy, or
I feel anything different.
Speaker 5 (32:36):
Nothing, Well, it's been used before, therapeutic Therapeutic plasma exchange
has been used before, they said, to treat a wide
variety of conditions. Lately, it's been gaining popularity among the
longevity obsessives, those people who are talking about, you know,
hacking their life so that they can live to be
(32:57):
one hundred and twenty or one hundred and thirty year.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
There's always gonna be that lot, isn't there. I was
watching Indiana Jones and the was it the Last Crusade,
the one with the Holy Grail yep, And even that
was the major plot point was I want to drink
from the Holy Grail to have everlasting life. Who wants that?
I don't understand wanting that. Am I going to hit
(33:20):
an age where I think I want to live extra?
I want to live forever?
Speaker 4 (33:23):
Are you healthy now?
Speaker 2 (33:24):
Yes?
Speaker 4 (33:25):
Okay? Do you feel healthier now than you did ten
years ago?
Speaker 2 (33:28):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (33:28):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (33:29):
What if you just were able to stay this? But
that's not reality, I know, but that's why people down.
But that's why people want it. I mean, I see,
I still wouldn't. I still want to live the amount
of time I'm supposed to live. I don't want to
go gamble with that.
Speaker 5 (33:45):
That is an interesting I want to ask for more,
because that's also the plot of stories as well. Somebody
who does get what they want. But then yeah, but
there was a speaking of Harrison Ford. There was a
Harrison Ford and what's her name? Movie that is Now
he's in trouble with Justin Baldoni. Oh Blake Live Blake Lively,
where one of them lives forever? Yes, the something through
(34:07):
time Nope, the Time travers or Adeline whatever, the something
like that.
Speaker 1 (34:13):
Yeah, that sounds awful and lonely, and you're just gonna
sit there and watch everyone else die around you while
you maintain your health that's awful. Gotta make new friends
every century. All right, Hey, Big Friday, Big twelve o'clock Friday.
Speaker 4 (34:28):
We're gonna have some fun. Next hour.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
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