Goodbye Gentle Parenting, Hello ‘F—Around and Find Out’

#SWAMPWATCH – Trump, Apple to Announce Fresh $100 Billion US Investment #PARENTING – What Kids Say Would Get Them Off Their Phones, Goodbye Gentle Parenting, Hello ‘F—Around and Find Out’.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon, and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. It had been percolating the reunion
after spending a year in Chicago. What a what a
great deal, What a great deal that GM Joe Ortiz
worked up. Sent Keenan Allen to the Bears for I

(00:23):
think a draft pick at one ten, traded that away,
got a couple other picks. I ended up drafting Lad
McConkey with one of those, and then gets Keenan Allen
a year later back and now you've got Lad and Keenan. Brilliant.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
The whole Disney ESPN NFL deal is now official. Disney's
going to acquire assets from NFL Media, including the NFL Network,
with the league getting a ten percent ownership stake in ESPN,
so ESPN will fully own NFL Network, plans to bake
it into the up coming streaming service that they're gonna make.
The Red Zone Channel is going to join Disney's linear portfolio.

(01:05):
Disney also plans to merge ESPN's fantasy football product with
the NFL media fantasy product, and then, most importantly, probably
financially the NFL will also license games, red Zone, NFL films, programming,
and other content. That and ESPN reached the deal with
the WWE all this part of this direct to consumer

(01:26):
streaming service that they're talking about launching a little bit
later this month. So they got they beefed up significantly
as a result.

Speaker 1 (01:33):
Of that eleven o'clock. We get caught up on the
things you need to know in Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
I'm not a politician, which means I'm a cheat and
a liar. And when I'm not kissing babies, I'm stealing
the lollipops.

Speaker 4 (01:44):
Yeah, we got The real problem is that our leaders
are done.

Speaker 1 (01:48):
The other side never quits.

Speaker 2 (01:49):
So what I'm not going anywhere.

Speaker 5 (01:53):
So now now you train the squad.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
I can imagine what can be and be unburdened.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
By what has been.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
You know, Murvans have always be going at President.

Speaker 5 (02:02):
They're not stupid.

Speaker 6 (02:02):
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Speaker 2 (02:20):
One of the developing stories that deals with Washington, DC,
we know the President Trump and Secretary of Defense Pete
Hegseth have been briefed on a shooting at a army
base in Georgia, Fort Stewart. Specifically, five soldiers were shot.
The shooters said to be in custody. CNN is reporting
that the shooter was or is a soldier. Those five

(02:45):
others had to be taken to the hospital. We are
expecting a news update probably at about twelve thirty today
and update with more details about exactly what happened.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
If you are waiting, we talked to yesterday about the
subpoenas going out to the Clintons and the like. If
you are waiting for the Clintons to go before this
Congress and answer questions from junior senators, you're gonna be
waiting a long time. That's never going to materialize. You
will never see the fruits of those subpoenas. Just FYI,

(03:17):
it was a great headline, great headline yesterday. The Clintons
have been subpoena to talk about Jeffrey Epstein, but that'll
just never that will never come to fruition. There was
apparently a very productive meeting in the past hour, great
progress made, according to the President when it comes to

(03:37):
the truce between Russia and Ukraine. This was Witkoff who
met US Special Envoy Steve Whitkoff that met with Putin
and says that, I mean, this has been Trump's thing
right since he ran. He said that this war would

(03:58):
be over yesterday if you elect me. He's still saying
that everyone agrees this war must come to a close.
But apparently was a very productive meeting. Whatever that means.
Great progress being made.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yeah, they're one of the words that are stories that
I saw this morning, said that Putin is mulling over
a deal where he would stop the air attacks. One
of the things that we've seen over the last say
six weeks or so is increasing by record numbers the
drones and missile attacks on different places around Ukraine. So

(04:31):
they have rejected the full fledged ceasefire, but apparently would
be open to what they're referring to as an air
truce if Kiev agrees to it as well. And all
of this is dealing, you know, all of this is
Steve Whitcoff's job now is to try to get some
sort of deal in place to prevent the death to India.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
We go where the President just signed an order today
that would double tariffs on imports from India to fifty
percent because they keep buying Russian oil. These tariffs would
go into a fact August twenty seventh if India continues
to buy oil from Russia.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
India is very upset about this, as you can imagine,
and that's why he did it with a twenty one
day lead time. Is the attempt is the window to
give India time to negotiate so it doesn't actually materialize.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
When it comes to Trump's dream to make the iPhone
in America, there's movement on that.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Yeah, they're announcing a new one hundred billion dollar commitment
by Apple to boost manufacturing here in the United States.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
In February, Apple had announced plans to spend five hundred
billion and hire twenty thousand people in the United States
over the next four years, which is just a couple
drops of pp into a barrel when it comes to
production of the iPhone and how many people that takes
and how much money.

Speaker 3 (05:54):
Quite the mixed metaphor, there is it.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
I don't even know what I said.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Drops of peepee into the barrel, into the barrel, well,
I'm envisioning a big barrel.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Yeah, and that a fifty one hundred billion dollar investment
into iPhone production is like a couple drops into the
vat of water in that barrel that is the iPhone production.
And how much that costs and how vast that is.
You know, they say they're going to hire twenty thousand
people in the US to build iPhones. That's in one

(06:26):
building full of children in China making those things. That's
where the couple drops of peepee and the barrel. That's
not the right thing. What was I looking for?

Speaker 2 (06:35):
I'm not quite certain. Dropping the bucket, dropping the back
one of them. What's the peepee? Where does that come in?

Speaker 3 (06:43):
Peeing into the wind?

Speaker 1 (06:45):
Oh? So, yeah, I guess it was unnecessarily crass involving
pepe when it didn't need to.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Be shooting fish in a barrel.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
Ah, Okay, Like I mean, I think you took pieces
of like three or four different really bad cliches and
made your own. I'm sorry, no, no, no, I was.
There's quite entertaining because who was in a barrel like that.
I mean, they're sure there are times when people have
peen in barrels.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
And why only two drops? Like who only peas to drop?

Speaker 3 (07:15):
People have prostrate issues?

Speaker 1 (07:16):
Oh, you're right, You're right, I was looking.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
Out for them. I'm sure everybody appreciates that.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
All right, More of those situations that you have found
yourselves a violent situations in those cases and what you
did about it when we come back.

Speaker 1 (07:34):
That makes no sense at all.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I feel awful now because I translated most of what
I think.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
Yeah, like you speak, idiot, that's what you just uncovered
about yourself.

Speaker 4 (07:47):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
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Speaker 1 (07:53):
It is it what you watch in Wednesday? Let us
know what you're watching and why it's Hunting Wives. We'll
tack that coming up later in the show. We may
have a special guest.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
You're trying to make that happen.

Speaker 1 (08:04):
I don't know what do you mean, I'm trying to
make that happen. Every woman I know is watching that
show seriously? Well, Amy King, Deborah Mark, your wife.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
I don't know if my wife is going to finish
it or she's not going to tell me if she
is not going to tell you a better way to
put Yeah, you don't need to know everything. The Army's
Fort Stewart down in Georgia says five should As soldiers
were shot.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
The base was locked down before a shooter was arrested.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Today, conditions of all of this and the circumstances aren't
known officially as of yet, nor is the identity of
the shooter, although this CNN was reporting that it is
a soldier. Fort Stewart is the largest Army post east
of the Mississippi, thousands of soldiers assigned to the Army's
third Infantry Division and a bunch of their family members
as well.

Speaker 7 (08:49):
Well.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
We found a story about an actor on the East
Coast who is being called a hero. Unfortunately he has
lost He lost his life doing so. He was walking
his dog. He came across a couple in a domestic
violence type of an argument. He tries to intervene to
calm things down, to de escalate the situation, protect the woman,

(09:13):
and he is shot and killed before the guy turns
the gun on himself and kills himself. And I'm reading
through this article and I'm thinking, God, there's so much
in us as humans where you would just want to intervene,
you would have to. You'd want to protect somebody who
was in harm's way like that, but there's so much
you don't know. Is that person armed, are they crazy?
What's going on? And so we kind of opened it

(09:35):
up if you've been in a situation like this.

Speaker 8 (09:37):
Good morning, Jerry and Shannon. So I was actually the
victim in the situation. I lived at an abusive boyfriend
and our apartment building had thin walls and everybody knew
what was going on. We were a pretty young playing
house living there in San Francisco and the Marina, and
they called the domestic violence crew who was sticking out
my apartment for a couple of weeks, and then one

(09:59):
day happened and they bashed the door in and they helped.
So I think that you should always call authorities. I
don't think it's worth your life.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
I don't think I've ever heard of that a domestic
violence crew or team that watched her apartment.

Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah, yeah, no I haven't either.

Speaker 5 (10:18):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
I mean that's a that's a great story of yes,
please intervene, because sometimes you're in those relationships, especially when
you're younger, and you feel very alone, and you feel
very powerless. I would imagine and if it had it
not been for someone calling that in, how much longer
would she have been in that situation?

Speaker 4 (10:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I rear ended a pregnant lady and some drunk came
out and it started interfering them with our business and
I punched them in the face.

Speaker 5 (10:47):
You get the hell out of here.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
Why no, Why you don't know all the time who's married.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
I'm going to give you thirty seconds to tell me
who Norms, Norm Johnson.

Speaker 3 (11:05):
Kicker? Hey, Gary and Channon.

Speaker 9 (11:08):
Yeah, I broke up, tried to break up a fight
at a TGI Fridays and broke it up and one
of this little hood rats friend went upside.

Speaker 10 (11:20):
My head with a mug. I guess I passed out
and they were kicking me in the face. I had
to go to ICU and but yeah, I'm not going
to do that ever again. Thank you, Love you guys.

Speaker 2 (11:33):
Not Norm Johnson, Norm McDonald. Norm Johnson may have been
a kicker.

Speaker 5 (11:40):
Hey.

Speaker 11 (11:42):
Yeah, about thirty years ago, back in high school, me
and about four of my other friends, we were leaving
a restaurant. We saw a woman being raped and have
a kind of saved her. It was kind of a
big deal. Got on the local news and everything for
a minute. That was kind of cool.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
Thank you for acting.

Speaker 7 (11:59):
Title here, Tito. In my past life as his girlfriend,
she was pretty toxic one day as his the fan,
my pet peeve or real thing I really don't like
is when girls go crazy in public and make a scene.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, I hate that.

Speaker 7 (12:14):
So she started making a scene. She starts screaming, and
she slaps me. I just say, you know what, I'm running.
She know way she can catch me. I'm running. She's
running behind me. And then it's only.

Speaker 1 (12:27):
Wow, Yeah I get that. Like I've got a girlfriend
who she when we were younger, I mean, she would
lose hers in public, and it's like, listen, don't go crazy.
We can go crazy, let's just do it behind closers.
Let's like keep the crazy contained.

Speaker 5 (12:42):
Well.

Speaker 2 (12:42):
I think that they're actually playing off of kind of
a tangent. What we're talking about is they assume that
people will come to their defense. If they make a
big scene, people are going to come to their defense.

Speaker 1 (12:55):
I don't think they can control themselves. I think your
blood just starts boiling. Women have this too, and you
cannot pull it back.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
It's always fun to be around.

Speaker 5 (13:04):
Hey, Garian Shannon.

Speaker 12 (13:05):
I had the opportunity to intervene on Fremont Street a
couple of years ago, right out in front of.

Speaker 5 (13:10):
The Golden Nugget.

Speaker 12 (13:11):
Yeah, we had one of the girls that dance in
those circles attacked by a homeless person.

Speaker 1 (13:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 12 (13:16):
My buddy, who was a Cincinnati police officer, screams hey
and runs at the guy, and the guy ran right
at me. So I just took him down, put him
in a rear choke and held him until the cops
got there.

Speaker 7 (13:27):
So it was cool.

Speaker 1 (13:28):
Yeah, the Fremont Street used to be my old stomping
grounds and it was fun. You could get a five
dollars table on a Friday Saturday night. You go to
the Golden Nugget, you go to Binions, go to the
Golden Gate where you can get that shrimp cocktail in
the back for a dollar with the dancing girls on
the tables.

Speaker 2 (13:46):
I don't understand the reference of the girls dancing in
the circle.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Well, there are girls who have like the headdresses and
the feathers and the Vegas glitzy sequin type bikini out
it's on and they're next door to the Nugget as
if I remember correctly, and they're out there trying to
get people into whatever establishment is next door. And the
Freemont three has been taken over by just a CD
CD element, much more c cedier than I am, and

(14:15):
now it's all homeless and people that are zombie people,
and it's awful, well at least the last time I
was there, and so I could not imagine putting those
girls out there these days just to You're not going
to attract any business in there, You're just going to
attract all the crazies.

Speaker 13 (14:33):
H Garian Shannon. This is great to be a little
from South Pasadena. My wife and I were in an
uber one night and there was a guy trying to
be a woman with a stick and he was on
a bicycle. I told uber driver to pull over, and
I went flying out of the car. I ran over,

(14:54):
dove at him, knocked him off his bike, and pinned
them to the ground, and my wife called the cops. Wow,
woman did not press charges.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Wow, a man on a bicycle with a stick beating
a woman. That is a rough scene.

Speaker 3 (15:10):
Not what we were expecting to hear.

Speaker 1 (15:13):
I'm sorry you had to hear that.

Speaker 7 (15:15):
Me.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Yeah, oh, thank you. You know what goes on in
the seedier set of life.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
You have this poker game, Fremont Streets of the World. Yes,
Gary and Shannon parenting with Justin. Oh, that's exciting Justin
Warshon when we come back.

Speaker 1 (15:28):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (15:30):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
A M six forty.

Speaker 7 (15:36):
Am.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
You know, like, because you attacked me just as I
got here. He's not you.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
The only thing they would have made it worse if
she would have poked you in the chest said but
you heard it, did you.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
That you're different?

Speaker 5 (15:54):
I get it. I'm an orchid.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
You are an orchid.

Speaker 5 (15:58):
I get it you are.

Speaker 1 (16:00):
I am an orchid as well.

Speaker 5 (16:02):
No, you're not. I don't think you're hard to like
you don't need a lot.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
I'm a weed now in your mind anyway, we're talking parents.

Speaker 2 (16:11):
A hardy plant. Maybe not a weed, A hardy plant
like a stew.

Speaker 5 (16:16):
Yeah, like an onion. You know what I mean. There's
layers to it.

Speaker 6 (16:20):
It's really good in the winter time because football is around, right, Like,
I feel like, maybe look at.

Speaker 5 (16:27):
What she's doing. She came head insulting me right out
of the Gates.

Speaker 1 (16:30):
I don't think that's all that was.

Speaker 6 (16:31):
I'm following her comedic premise and now I'm the bad guy. No,
this like emotional Akita skill, Like she uses your own
energy against you. Oh my god, I don't you are
the Steven Sigala Radio.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Justin Warsham has joined us. That is not a compliment.
Not a compliment, No, Justin Worsham. We talk about parenting.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Yeah, what are you going through? Are you really no.

Speaker 5 (16:57):
Time in between? These breaks? Not good for my life?
About being honest?

Speaker 1 (17:02):
Oh god, the expansion and contract, we're good.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
Not across the table. That would look weird if.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
I totally just sound the same visual.

Speaker 5 (17:16):
We all have that crawl. You're the orchid schen and
you crawl.

Speaker 2 (17:25):
We see different trends when it comes to parenting all
over the place, and there are we've talked a little
bit about this whole gentle parenting making way for a
little bit more ass kicking every once in a while nowadays. Uh,
And I love the idea, not because I love beating children.
I don't love it. It's only when necessary, but it's

(17:46):
obviously tongue in cheek.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
You have people running down the hallway, I know, but
it's not good. I'm saying that away from it, but
the fingerprints.

Speaker 2 (17:54):
There's a reason why there's a reason why, uh, gentle
parenting doesn't work, and it's because you're never You never
give your kid a consequence for their action, and.

Speaker 5 (18:07):
They don't feel prepared for the way the real world works.

Speaker 1 (18:10):
Right, I have a question.

Speaker 6 (18:11):
The world is not gentle and does not care about
your self esteem not. I'm reminded that at eleven thirty
on Wednesday, on most weeks, I.

Speaker 1 (18:18):
Have a question for you guys as parents of two
different children. Okay, you both have two kids, and both
are different. Everyone's kids are different. But anyway, is it
fair to say that you know, when one kid needs
a helicopter parent and maybe the other kid needs gentle parenting,

(18:40):
that like it's not a one size fits all, like
this is the way to parent and this is a
better way, and here's how that it's based on what
that particular kid needs.

Speaker 6 (18:50):
I don't think that I've ever thought that my kids
need gentle parenting, but I do know that everything is
always the same. There is always like an expectation, and
there is ale of trying to make them feel more
prepared when they leave my house. That's kind of the
catch all. But there are moments where I'm not as
hard on them, Like I don't know if, as an example,
if I feel like my kids are screwing up the

(19:12):
same thing again and again, I get louder, I get
more aggressive. But if they if they put themselves out there,
tried something and it didn't go their way and they're upset,
I don't then I soften right Like, I'm like, hey,
but I try to focus on this is what you
did right right? Like, I know it was hard, I
know it didn't work out the way you wanted, But
that doesn't mean you shouldn't keep doing that kind of stuff.

Speaker 5 (19:33):
Is that Is that a fair answer?

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (19:35):
Would would you agree?

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Gary?

Speaker 2 (19:37):
I'm not sure where you're going with this, Where I'm
going or where she's going both of you. I'm not
quite sure the question she's trying.

Speaker 6 (19:43):
To say that like we I think what she's trying
to say is that these parenting styles like to label
and almost create opposite and ends of the spectrum or dichotomy.
And I think what she's saying is that there are
certain instances where even though you would consider yourself to
be an authoritarian parent, that maybe you would be more
gentle if if the or the circumstance.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
I feel like some kids respond to gentle. Yeah, like
when some kids respond to gentle parenting. That may be
one of your kids, but the other kid needs a
helicopter parent Like, It's just it's not. It can't be
one size fit all way of parenting when your kids
are going to be different and at different stages.

Speaker 2 (20:18):
Or is I don't I don't think there was that
much thought now looking back, Yes, I mean my kids
are in their twenties, so I can look a that.
I can look back and probably have a little bit
more twenty twenty vision on that year. He is a rose,
so he just exists in beauty.

Speaker 5 (20:36):
He doesn't need a lot of maintenance now, right, So
he's annoying. Think about the effort.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
He's just so annoying, right when you're there.

Speaker 5 (20:44):
I think about it. I do. I look at articles.

Speaker 3 (20:49):
You spent way too much.

Speaker 1 (20:51):
You need infrastructure to hold you up.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
I don't know if it applies, but it keeps popping
into my head.

Speaker 6 (20:56):
My older son has recently said this, and I've repeated
it now as a joke.

Speaker 1 (21:00):
Is that I hate you, Dad?

Speaker 5 (21:01):
Yes?

Speaker 6 (21:02):
And it's so funny the way he jokes with his dad.
He said, he said, whenever I come back from being gone, right,
I come back home. His first thing he says when
he hugs me is he goes order is restored.

Speaker 1 (21:15):
That's really sweet.

Speaker 6 (21:16):
I think so like it almost chokes me up like
when he does it, because it makes me feel good
because he said, I go, am I that much of
a tyrant? He says, No, it's not a tyrant. It's
just that there's he goes, like, even when you're driving
the car, like my.

Speaker 5 (21:28):
Shoulders just drop, as opposed to his mom is trying
me car.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I went laugh at that.

Speaker 5 (21:35):
She doesn't listen. This is my man came from.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
You'd be careful because the day you say, oh, she's
not listening, she's gonna come walk down the street.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
You're running down.

Speaker 6 (21:47):
As we all know, everybody in this room and probably
most of the people have been listening to this for
the past few years, said.

Speaker 5 (21:53):
What I say this is what I say here is far.

Speaker 6 (21:57):
More tame than what I've said about her just in general,
well even to her face, Like if she was going
to leave me for something that comes out of my
dumb mouth, it would have happened decades ago. We're twenty
eight years into this garbage, right, twenty eight years we've
been together, twenty four of them married.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
She knows how much of a mess I at that moment,
there was a funny Uh, there was Funny's not the
right word. Uncomfortable anecdote in this article about just more
aggressive parents and yes, where a woman was upset that
her A mom was upset that her eight year old
kept wetting his pants. Oh no, I didn't like he

(22:33):
He would be in some fun activity and would forget
that he had to go to the bathroom and wet
his pants, and she made him buy his own underwear
after that.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
That's authentic.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
Turned out it was a medical condition little kid had
that she had to go back and apologize to him.
Now that's a that brings up a better I mean,
that's kind of an uncomfortable moment, But it also brings
up the issue of in the event that you blow
it in punishing your child or parenting, you're in some

(23:09):
way and you did something wrong and you figure it
out later that it was wrong for whatever reason, going
back and apologizing like, hey, I probably did I did
not know that.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
We're going through that in our lives.

Speaker 3 (23:23):
In our lives, No.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
My god, my father do you imagine my father is.

Speaker 6 (23:28):
Never never apologized to me. He never did, and like
he took money from me, So I don't. Yeah, yeah,
you're right. I've at least apologized, like for big stuff,
at least three times in my kid's life.

Speaker 2 (23:42):
Really, there are times when as parents we like to
think we know the whole story about whatever's going on,
and a lot of times we simply don't, and then
we don't find out until later what was going on.

Speaker 5 (23:54):
Yeah, I've had to do that.

Speaker 6 (23:55):
The most recent was my wife is recovering, so she's like,
she needs a lot of help care, right.

Speaker 2 (24:00):
Ben you for twenty twenty eight years, you said a
lot of red.

Speaker 5 (24:05):
So anyway, long.

Speaker 6 (24:07):
So when I have been the guy who's doing it's
been a while since I've been doing almost all of
it kind of a thing. And so, and there's just
a lot going on in my life and so I'm
just trying to keep up. And so at one point
I asked my kids to help me out, and then
they weren't doing the thing, and so I just started
yelling in the kitchen, and I very quickly found out
that there was a valid reason I had done the thing,

(24:28):
and it was my fault, and so I mean that
goes guys. I was way out of line. I'm really sorry.
That was a horrible attitude to have. I had a
moment of weakness, and I will I will do better,
Like I'm I'm genuinely sorry.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
Do you have an outlet for your yelling?

Speaker 5 (24:41):
No, it's that okay.

Speaker 1 (24:44):
Do you have a nice backyard where you could just
let yourself out like a dog and just yell like
for like five minutes talking to.

Speaker 5 (24:51):
You anymore, I've decided no, But you.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Know what I mean, like you have a nice backyard.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
If I compared you to a dog.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
No, no, I wasn't. I wasn't saying that. I like,
let when I said let yourself out, you.

Speaker 5 (25:02):
Could just stop there. But your brand might be a dog.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
I think people routinely yell, like just to get stress out,
just to release the cortsoles. Like whether it's in the
car or in the backyard, that's all I met, And.

Speaker 6 (25:13):
If they're not, they should be, especially when like I
not to you know, go after you. But I think
everybody should go out like a dog, right, like just
sit in the sun, close your eyes, like, don't the
episode Zen would make a.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Crap if you watch in the backyard.

Speaker 6 (25:27):
I'm gonna try to drop it, Ducee in the backyard,
really just confuse the garden.

Speaker 5 (25:33):
Too big.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
When we come back, we're going to talk about what
kids say about getting them off their phones.

Speaker 5 (25:41):
These are two great topics in my opinion. I think
I did good.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Yes, yes you did.

Speaker 4 (25:47):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from kf
I am six forty.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Justin Worsham is with us, host of the Dad Podcast,
and we maybe going back to our roots here in
terms of hey, kids, you're not going to get a
bunch of second chances. It's it's the f around and
find out new way of parenting. We've been talking about.

Speaker 5 (26:12):
Yes, I love the name of it.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
The other thing though, that I want to talk to
you guys about before we leave, because it's Gary's new
favorite author Jonathan Height, who wrote The Anxious Generation.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
Him and a.

Speaker 6 (26:23):
Couple other psychologists did a survey of kids eight to
twelve and asked them what they wanted to be able
to do, and what they actually found is that the
majority of the kids wanted to go outside and like
play with their friends, but their parents won't allow them
to right. And so the fight was this idea of well,
we like we're all saying, well, no, we need you

(26:44):
to be safe and everything, but social media and the
cell phones are ruining our kids, Whereas if you just
let him live like it was nineteen eighty four, they'd
be better off.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Yeah, they're talking about how like when we would be
kids and be like, you'd be going out the front door, Okay,
I'm going over to Dave's house. And then there was
this push and in the eighties and the nineties where
parents got a little stricter and they didn't want their
kids left unsupervised. And then the phones came, and you know,
now the kids unsupervised essentially mentally with their phone in

(27:11):
their bedroom. You know where their location is there in
your home, they're under your roof, but they are unsupervised
with scarier things and whatever they're going to encounter at
Dave's house.

Speaker 5 (27:20):
Yep.

Speaker 6 (27:21):
Julie Lacott haim so I had on the podcast. She
wrote a great book, How to Raise an Adult, and
she actually did some research and she used to be
the dean of freshman students at Stanford and she did
research and found that there were three high profile kidnapping
cases in the eighties and that was what began the
stranger danger and began the movement as a society in
the US that we started keeping kids inside and not

(27:41):
letting them go outside and play on.

Speaker 3 (27:43):
Them, which is funny.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
I remember the name Kevin Collins because I don't know
if that would have qualified as one of those that
she was talking about, but Kevin Collins was a kid
who disappeared up in the Bay Area.

Speaker 1 (27:52):
Polyclass for me, because I was in Pataluma and she was.

Speaker 2 (27:56):
Weare the same age, and those things were high high repetition.
I mean there was a high frequency of references to those. Yeah,
but that didn't prevent I don't my parents never or
I'll say this, I never felt like my parents changed
their behavior towards us or asked us to change our

(28:18):
behaviors because of nobody.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
Started in that in our eras. And now it's just like.

Speaker 6 (28:23):
There was a lot like what I remember is a
lot of the shows that you would watch after school
had the McGruff, the crime dog type stuff, and it
was all saying like be careful. People are out to
get you, get you right, so you have to watch
out for big white panel vans, don't take candy from
people like all the like what we now kind of joke,
let the guy find his own puppy exactly and so now,
and I think that it kind of became programmed in

(28:43):
a lot of people that have now grown up to
have kids and everybody.

Speaker 5 (28:47):
Like, I've even seen it a little bit in my.

Speaker 6 (28:49):
Myself where I have to push back against it, only
because I've read the book and talked to so many
people who are When you look at the data, it's
such a small percentage of people, Like the overall risk
of your kid getting taken is really really really small,
especially by a stranger.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Yeah, that goes back and the kidnapping specifically, stuff goes
back to the whole location of your kid, which is
not the location of your kid, it's the location of
their phone. And I've I've had that, you know, that
internal dialogue you're talking about pushing back against yourself Sometimes
is it better for me to know where they are?

Speaker 7 (29:23):
Not all?

Speaker 2 (29:24):
I would say ninety nine percent of the time. It
doesn't make a difference about how I know or how
I feel about what they are doing. It doesn't matter
if there were times when I didn't know where they
were and I needed to find them quickly. Sure, it's
great to be able to do that, But did I
need to know their location all the time?

Speaker 7 (29:42):
No?

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Did my parents need to know?

Speaker 6 (29:44):
No?

Speaker 5 (29:45):
It didn't make any difference.

Speaker 6 (29:46):
So, like when I've talked to parents like this will
come up and I'll say, like, sure, I know where
my kid's phones are. But what I try not to
do is now, especially like when I have has a
driver's license and a car, right, so he goes around
and he goes to his friend's house for parties and stuff,
and I just kind of have a I've tried to
have this more, which is kind of like what we're
talking about last segment, the f around and find out

(30:06):
like natural consequences of things, Like I want him to
go out figure things out on his own, because you
could tell he doesn't have the same life experience at
his age that I did when I was sixteen. He's
not aware of stuff, and so he needs to go
out and do that. So I let him go do that.
And I think my opinion by not going where'd you do?
What happened? Like all that I talked to him about,

(30:27):
how was the party? And then he usually just tells
us everything that makes him feel like he doesn't have
to hide anything from me. And so I feel like,
because I imagine what you're talking about is that if
everybody's like, where were you?

Speaker 5 (30:36):
Because according to this, like I know people who like would.

Speaker 6 (30:39):
Track their kids all live while they're the whole time
to stare at it while they're going, and that's going
to mean that the kid's gonna be smarter than you.
They're just gonna hand their phone off to Susie, and
Susie's gonna go over to somebody's party while they're off
doing whatever they want.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
That's when you sneak the air tag into their pocket.
You build it into the bottom of their shoe.

Speaker 5 (30:56):
My favorite joke, and I like it because people will
sometimes go, aha, not knowing if I'm kidding. I go,
I have a vet that'll chip them like.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
Chip my kids can bring them unconscious, no questions asked,
and they said, they.

Speaker 6 (31:09):
Go, that's not legal, and I go, yeah, but when
you do it in five months, they can't be a witness.

Speaker 5 (31:13):
They don't know, they don't know what's hap and it
just lives.

Speaker 7 (31:16):
Wait.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
People took you uh seriously, Oh absolutely my gosh.

Speaker 5 (31:20):
Jan you know you and I might. I don't know.
I'm shocked you don't have this in common.

Speaker 6 (31:23):
The amount of things that I've said that people genuinely
think I mean when I'm kidding is insane. The biggest
one when I was a comic, because I used to
have this joke about giving my kids benadryl so they
would sleep. But I said, give a five minuth old
five tablespoons of ben adrol and they sleep. So many
people would come up to me after a show and go,
just so you know, you're not supposed to.

Speaker 5 (31:40):
Do that, And they were seeing me in a comedy club.
This isn't even my career.

Speaker 6 (31:44):
When I'm popping into a bar looking like some guy
who didn't want to do poetry that night and just
wanted to say some crazy stuff like you're in a
comedy club watching a comedian and you decide to come
up to me afterwards and say the stuff like.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
That wow wow, and that they thought they'd make a difference,
that yeah, they kind of guy who's going to give
your kid five tablespoons of benadryl and then talk about
it publicly. That woman, and you know Row three isn't
going to.

Speaker 2 (32:09):
Change her life. She wanted your reaction to be, wait, what, oh, thank.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
You so much for saving my baby's life.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I was used.

Speaker 6 (32:20):
It is gonna make your sound like a name dropper,
but it's like one of the big names I got
to wear. I was doing a show in the Canyon
Country with John Lovett. That's the part I forgot anyway.
So I was there opening for him and I did
that bit, and this guy stopped me outside of the
parking lot and I go, oh no, I was just kidding, like,
I don't give him ben Attrol. And I goes, oh,
thank god, because I got a two year old niece
and she has allergies and you can't give him that much,

(32:40):
Like she doesn't even take that much. I said, oh no, no,
I give him Nike will that's the real stuff. But
I have a good night, and I walked away.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
Oh my god, mind your own damn business. I want
to drug my kid. Yes, that kid. I didn't drug
that kid.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Chaser geez, yeah.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
Just a little on the lips. What's up the wild turkey?
Oh for the gums. They're achieving the way though.

Speaker 6 (33:10):
You just said just a little on the lips, Like
we all know everybody like that's what her mom seings us.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
One for you, one for me, justin thank you.

Speaker 2 (33:21):
As always, Gary Shannon will continue right after this. You've
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