December 16, 2025 • 36 mins
Join Gary and Shannon as they dive into the latest headlines and captivating stories! In this episode, they discuss the holiday weather updates and the troubling case of an OC cheerleader abuser. The conversation shifts to the dynamics between Amazon and LAX, revealing intriguing insights. Plus, they highlight the iconic Manolo Blahnik and a heartwarming story from Lakewood about a cat that stole hearts.
Don’t miss the Talkback segment, where they tackle the critical issue of addiction, followed by #TrueCrimeTuesday, featuring an in-depth look at the shocking murder of Rob and Michelle Reiner. Tune in for a mix of informative discussions and thought-provoking stories!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
A M six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio app. It's like to write an
addendum to my Seahawks tirade. On this Thursday night is
possibly the most important Thursday night football game of the season.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The Rams go to Seattle. This is an NFC West showdown.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Good for them, good for Amazon, finally get a game.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
More than if the Seahawks beat the Rams and the
Niners win out. The Niners have the number one seed.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
In the division, right, they take the division, they take
the the NFC. Yeah, so I have.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
To root for the Seahawks on Thursday night.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Okay, you already feel nard.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So that's the one three hour window I would have
gotten along with my boyfriend from five hundred years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
This night different from all the other nights. I think
that's passover.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yeah, what else is going on?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Time for pooooooo?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
What's happening?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Big rain, big snow, the biggest rain, the biggest snow.
Not really, but it could hit California around Christmas. A
high risk for heavy rainfall along the entire California coast
between the twenty third and Christmas Day. Also a high
risk of heavy snow along the Sierra. The rains, they
say could be fueled by those atmospheric river storms.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Or you remember those, we had them earlier this month.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
A lot of flooding, a lot of evacuations, people in
kayaks in Long Beach, along the streets there, so widespread
rains sometime in the December twenty third to twenty sixth window.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
The people who live anywhere north of Bakersfield are ecstatic
about this because it may mean that the fog finally moves. Oh,
because they have been I was talking to myselster and
she lives up in the Sacramento area. The high temperature
yesterday was forty five. The low temperature yesterday was forty four.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Sounds miserable.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
It just sounds awful.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
And it's moist and it's just drippy, and it's cold
and it's gray.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's been such a wonderful summer here, hasn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's just going to say we've had a beautiful September. Thanksgiving,
Yeah great.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Former Orange County cheerleading coach was convicted yesterday a felony
sex charges for molesting ten girls. Some of these offenses
go back more than two decades.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Can we talk about this?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I do you know a lot of dudes that were.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I don't coach you. That's why I said I knew
what question you were going to ask. I never once
had a male cheer coach. It's not a it's not
a guarantee that they're a molester.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
No, but.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
He was a competitive cheerleading coach at Magic All Star
from two thousand and two to two thousand and eight,
and he was assistant cheer coach at Tribuco Hills High
in two thousand and five where some of this happened. Now,
prosecutors say that these kids from Orange County were just
living their lives until this guy was arrested in a
(03:17):
case out of Florida. The prosecutors that it became a
parent to the survivors. The accusers that the man who
did it to them did it again in Florida.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I guess you just move on with your life. You
don't want to say anything.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
One accuser said she was fourteen when she met him
in ninety nine through a YMCA summer camp.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
He was twenty one.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
A flirtatious messages eventually graduated to him taking her to
a Tribuco Hills High School dance that he would engage
in sex acts with her in a local community center
and in her car. One accuser met him in ninety eight.
She was eleven years old. They watched a movie together
(04:04):
and that's when he assaulted her. A lot of these
girls were really young, eleven when he was a coach
at Magic All Stars. One accuser was nine years old.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
My god, I wonder if this is one of those
cases where a lot of times when we hear cases
like this, they say there are probably more victims out right.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I mean, and this just happens, and I mean all
too often girls just don't report it. They are too embarrassed.
I don't know, they just want to go and live
their lives.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
A Amazon warehouse near the gates of Lax has sold
for a record price. The real estate investment arm of
Morgan Stanley paid two hundred and eleven million dollars.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
For this distribution center on ninety eighth Street.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I guess this is right around or in around several
private long term parking structures that serve Lax. The distribution
center was built earlier this year, which is supposed to
serve Amazon, but one of the most in demand industrial
corridors in the country.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
They say, Manola Blani has moved to South Coast Plaza,
beautiful shopping center.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
South Coast Plaza is just gorgeous. What is Manolo blank?
Is that what you just said?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Shoes?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Moving on? Wait, why do you say it like because
I don't want to waste my time? Okay, I don't
want to waste my time?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Is the good shoes?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
A woman in Lakewood says that a Amazon driver stole
her cat. I'm calling bs. You hear about dogs being stolen,
French bulldogs specifically, they're delightful, very trendy, very sweet.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But no one's out there stealing cats.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Okay, even if you love cats, you know you're not
out there stealing another one.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Why Because cats are a holes.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Love them all you want, do not ignore the fact
that they are a holes. No one's trying to steal
someone else's cat.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Am I right.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I want everybody to hear that this is not me
speaking well.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I'm not saying I'd give my cat away to a
shelter like you did. I wouldn't send my cat to
a kill farm.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
But like, I.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Also don't believe people are out there trying to get
their hands on cats.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Diet in and over.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I don't know what you did, Mitt Romney, but you.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Know who's trying to steal a cat? Like, who's like, oh,
I want something that's gonna treat me like crap?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Oh, where's a cat?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
You know?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Like, first of all, if you want a cat, there's
plenty on the streets.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So you go to a shelter, what have you?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You adopt, But you're going to commit a crime to
steal something that's just gonna torture you, treat you like hell,
knock stuff over, be demanding, Never give you love.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
That's not something you're gonna steal.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Right, here's something what.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I know cat? I know your cats. Give you love.
By the way, please.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Put down the phone or whatever you're Amazon driver, by
the way, they did identify who the driver was.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Amazon did, Yeah, but that they've been unable to reach him. Yeah,
because nobody who's stealing a cat. A cat are off
on a honeymoon.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
They are not.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Okay, now you're making it weird. Oh okay, I'm the
one a honeymoon. Yeah, okay, in a way, Not in
that way.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But furthermore, two year scenario.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
We've covered news for a long time, We've covered the
dark side of news. Yeah, beast reality has made its
way into the news cycle here. Nobody has ever tried
anything with a cat.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Right, and there's a reason because they're a holes.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Howard Stern, Howard Stern assigned a new deal. How old
he's seventy one? Good for him. He's got a three
year deal. Seventy one years old. Isn't there point some
people are just gonna die right behind the microphone. Listen,
I'm going to tell you when it's time to go,
(08:06):
when you're when you're getting to the point where I
think it's time for you to go, I'm gonna let
you know because I care about you.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Is that okay?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
How should I say it?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Just like your normal just.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
My normal self, like don't hey, how did your wife
get you to get rid of that oval?
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Call me one morning and go, hey, I'm not going
to be able to come into work today, and neither
should you.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Something like that. I'll get the message. That's good.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, I think you will. You're pretty quick on the uptake.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Wait a minute, Oh, wait, are you telling me that
now is the time.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
He made?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Do you remember when he first signed with Serious XM.
It was something like five years, five hundred million dollars
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Thinking of all the scenarios. But my wife's just finishing
up the diaper. I don't need to go in.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I'm all fresh and clean now, my pudding is gone,
my pills are taken.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I am ready.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Oh my god, Because you're a hard worker, you know,
like you're gonna want to work until the day you die.
And I'm gonna have to be the one to tell
you it's time to not come to work, you know, yes?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Are you ready for that? Are you ready to tell
me that? I mean, that's heavy.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I will have retired twenty years prior, like next year.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You call me from out of nowhere. Yeah, Hey, what's
going on. I haven't talked to you in twenty years.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And I'll say I'm not going to work today, and
neither should you.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Time All right, when we could.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Just start up a flying car.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Honey, you're not going to have your driver's license anyway.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
That's why I gotta take a flying car.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh I see?
Speaker 7 (10:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
So all r okay, coming back.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
We are going to talk about what's going on with
the Washington Post AI generated podcasts, and then we'll get
into true crime.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Tuesday, we're going to revisit what we know, some of
the latest.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Information about Robin Michelle Reiner's murder and the whatever's going
on with Court Today with Nick Ryner.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
If you want to check out our Hunt for the
Elves Bonsie and Sprinkles, it's up on the upon the gram.
This was Gary and Shannon, whoever's whoever's doing that.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Whatever magicians are planting these elves.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
For these elves are having a blast.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Football Last night Monday Night Football, the Steelers beat the
Dolphins twenty eight to fifteen. There is college football game today,
the Salute to Veterans Bowl out of Montgomery, Alabama. The
Troy Trojans take on the Jacksonville State game Cocks. I
know that that's also the South Carolina mascot. There is
a rule in college football where you can have the
(11:14):
same mascot as another school. The Washington Post moved ahead
with podcasts despite the fact that everybody at the Washington
Post thought that they sucked. Now specifically, this is an
AI produced podcast. What they were putting out was something
(11:37):
called Your Personal Podcast feature on the Washington Post website.
It would use Generative AI to turn whatever news content
you wanted into a personalized audio episode.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
What does that mean?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
It allows you select the topics like, for example, today,
maybe you want a fifteen minute primer on on the
Rob Reiner Murder, the US Ukraine Talks and Pete hag
Set's latest something like that, So.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You can kind of tailor the topics you want to
hear about.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
You choose the voices, you choose the length of your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I choose a British female and I want like maybe
eight minutes on each.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
So they tried to do this and they started it internally.
They had just the people who worked at the Washington
Post fill these little forms out and come up with
these things. Everybody who worked at the Washington Post said
the quotes that this AI would generate were absolutely fabricated.
The information that was included was misattributed. The commentary was editorialized,
(12:44):
even though this was only supposed to be a straight
news program. No editorial pronunciation mistakes in the AI generated
podcasts and everybody knows we're the only ones allowed to
make pronunciation mistakes.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
Okay, guys, it's called Canbra, that's the capital, not Canberra.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And then it's BONDI not Bondie. Please, I did.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
That once yesterday. Let's just put down the hatchet some ps.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I kind of like this curated, like self curated show.
If it was people that I knew, like you and me,
you know what I mean, Like, if it was somebody
where it wasn't some AI bought putting together the topics
that I want to hear about. It was people that
I trust, like you and me, that'd be pretty cool.
Like I want to hear this, this, and this today
on my way to work, Like I've got a thirty
eight minute drive and I want to hear these three topics.
(13:32):
I want to hear, you know, Gary and Shannon do it,
or I want to hear John or Conway or whatever
address these three things. That sounds like that would be cool. Well,
choose your own adventure news show.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
The Post I think has that same. At least the
editors at the Post had that same idea that there
is a mark just not there yet. It's clearly not
there yet. They refer to it as an AI powered
audio briefing experience rather than the traditional edit real podcasts, which,
by the way, are already popular. Both The New York
Times in Washington Posts do sort of morning briefing style
(14:07):
podcasts that have been perennially popular on the list like
it would be fun to have.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Like, you know, get in my car and I'm like, Okay,
I want ten minutes from Conway on Ukraine. I want
ten minutes from John on Christmas cookie recipes, best and
worst and things to avoid?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Can I do a second?
Speaker 7 (14:28):
John?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Oh? Sure?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
On the Manolo blonet.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Manolo blons that thing you want? John probably knows what
manolos are. I would bet you he does.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Is he here, John here?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Not yet, but I would bet you a lot of
money that he knows what those are.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Staffers at the Washington Posts were worried that this would
undermine journalistic standards, obviously because they're slapping a Washington Post
logo on it, and could confuse listeners about what constitutes
reliable reporting.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
This is is one of the big issues.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
The company says that the tool is an early is
in an early beta phase, and emphasizes that it's not
meant to replace human hosted shows, then don't let it.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Then don't do it.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
If it's not meant to replace human hosted shows, don't
offer it as an option. We're starting to see I'd
like the narrated podcast that are entering mainstream listening habits.
There are some out there that and here's the problem.
If you want to listen to an AI generated podcast,
(15:34):
that's completely up to you, but you should know whether
it is AI generated or it is human generated.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, that's why you know. We're always human.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
We're so bad and we're so wrong about things in
Australia that we've got to be human.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
We've got to be got Cara, Canberra, can Berra.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I just got into a fight with an Australian and
in the newsroom about football, and then I ended football.
I ended up saying you're not even from this country
and I felt awful about that.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
You told him to go home is basically what you did.
You told him go back to from whence Hugh came.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
And I was defending the Chargers too, which is a weird,
a weird fight.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
So mixed emotions this week, This is going to be
an interesting week for you.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Not mixed emotions yet, usually one team is in the playoffs,
the other is not. Usually I can kind of manage
both of my children in the postseason, or at this
time of year, I can catch a Niner game or
you know, Niners in the playoffs, Chargers are or what
have you. And this time they're both in the in
the thick of it, and hard spending time with both,
(16:51):
you know, it really is.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
It's hard spending time with both of my children. They're
both doing so well, and and and it's also because
they're doing so well, I'm just I'm preparing to, you know,
for when the end happens for them.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
When do we start our Saturday games?
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And then Pro Football Focus has this like three percent
chance in the back of my head, a point zero
three percent chance that it's the Niners and the Chargers
and the Super.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Bowl in the Super Bowl itself.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And that point zero three percent chance that lives in
the back of my head kind of fires off randomly.
Sometimes I'm not even awake. It's and I can't even
conceptualize that.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
It's like you're looking out at a at a landscape
somewhere and there's just like one little flash alike, ye,
like there's an artificial like there's somebody with a mirror
trying to signal you.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Oh, that's not real. I don't need to worry about that.
That's not aliens. Speaking of aliens, aren't we three days
away from touchdown?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I don't like to get specific, but Friday, yes, is
when we're supposed to see the closest pass to Earth
three I Atlas somewhere like one hundred seventy million miles
out there. Okay, which as close as it's going to get.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I love it. Well, I'm not you're not an expert.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But the aliens, they choose to arrive, they're gonna get closer.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
If they want to get closer. Yeah, I mean you
don't want them dropping off.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well, they're dropping all their DNA.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Speed seedlings, speed seedlings.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
That's what they've been doing. They've been dropping their seed
all over us. Remember that's what you told us. You
said that, you said they were dropping genetic material. All right, Elmer, Yeah,
he's backing away like he didn't say these words to everybody,
the primordial glue. Gary, Gary, I don't even know what
(18:45):
that means. Is that bad that I just say? Did
I just like swear in another language?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Is that no. Gary and Shannon will continue close to
this show.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Okay, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
KF six forty.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Well, it is about one o'clock that we are anticipating
District Attorney Nathan Hawkman to make his initial remarks about
the arrest of Rob and Michelle Reiner's son for their
Grizzly murder over the weekend. We understand that he was
a medical miss out, which means he did not get
(19:24):
on the bus to transport people from the Twin Towers
or from Men's Central Jail to the courthouse this morning
for whatever reason, whatever medical reason. Alan Jackson is his
defense attorney. The most prominent high profile defense attorney you
can get these days is Alan Jackson, fresh off the
(19:45):
Karen Reid victory there on the East Coast in New England.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
You mentioned this earlier, and I'd be curious to see
if this pans out. If this would you call it
medical miss out? Yeah, this weather, this turns into the
beginning of some sort of a defense, some.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Sort of a he's crazy, he wasn't in his right
mind when he killed his parents, and he is obviously
going through something. He's shown the signs of being unstable
in prison, your honor, that whole bit.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
The information that we have, by the way, it continues
to come in in terms of the timeline of last
weekend and what it was that potentially, at least the
actions that led up to the deaths of Rob and
Michelle Reiner.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
We talked earlier about it, and if you missed it,
we took a lot of messages from people as well
that have had addiction in their lives. It touches every
family and everyone has a family member probably who has
dealt with an addiction of some kind. And one of
the things that this case highlights is addiction does not
discriminate people who have it all, have all the money
(20:57):
in the world, all the success in the world, cannot
escape from eating up their family if that's what that
addiction is intent on doing. And one of the things
we talked about yesterday was that Nick Reiner had started
going to rehabs. His parents put him in the first
one when he was fifteen years old. He had been
(21:17):
to seventeen different rehabs or centers or what have you,
treatment programs, and when they put together the movie in
twenty sixteen, Rob Reiner and his son, a movie loosely
based off their fight against Nick's addiction, a fictionalized account
of pretty real events. Rob Reiner did many interviews that
(21:39):
have been unearthed now where he talks about believing anybody
with a desk in a diploma, and his wife was
reported Michelle is saying that these people were telling them
that their son was a liar and a manipulator, and
we should have just believed our son. We know our son.
(22:00):
He was able to look at him now in this
he's twenty two at the time. Look at him now,
he's sober. He didn't need that kind of deal. You know,
maybe it's not for everybody. Rehabs and it's not, but
you know, you don't have to buy into X Y
or Z program if you have an addiction, but you
it's I don't know the success rates of just stopping
(22:20):
the substance and that working forever and not doing any
sort of work on what led you into that addiction,
because that's really the meat of it. And I don't
know when they pulled the plug on any sort of
you know, emotional and recovery or from whatever it was,
(22:45):
or what mental illness. That's kind of something that's gone
by the wayside to today it's any sort of mental illness,
like what was he ever diagnosed with anything? Right? That
had been kind of the the narrative yesterday was that
there was an addiction and maybe some mental health issues
if they didn't believe in the rehab process, like it
(23:06):
seems from previous interviews they did. Did they believe in
any mental health evaluation? I don't know was that ever done?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
And again it.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Exists they had the resources to get all of that done.
Whether or not they actually did, though, you know, is
one of those keys. He Nick talked about his addiction
on or at least one of the relapses that he
had in twenty eighteen, he was on a podcast and
he told a friend of his who was the host
of the podcast, that he wasn't sober. This would have
(23:39):
been a podcast that he recorded in twenty eighteen, and
he said that he'd been smoking marijuana, he'd been taken adderall,
that he had relapsed on heroin and some other hard
drugs just the year before, and that during an intervention
apparently he'd had a cocaine heart attack. That television show,
by the way, interview mention.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Was as.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I'm using the word intentionally here as sobering. I think
as I've ever seen television b just in terms of
people to at a breaking point, at a point where
the family was willing to do the thing that they
knew could potentially nuke the relationship with that family member,
which was I am telling you, we're going to give
(24:29):
you all the resources we have to to get you
to rehab, to get you help that you need, or
it's over. You can't contact me, I won't give you money.
You can't stay in our house. You can't do this,
you can't do that. That kind of pressure on the
family sometimes doesn't work, And I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, pressure on, pressure on the.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Person sometimes does not work, and it's over for them.
They choose their drug over their family.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, And it's very powerful, and you're right. That show
really for the first time shows you the familial turmoil
of how someone's in particular addiction affects everyone around them,
and mentioned how just shattering to love someone but to
hate them for their addiction or hate the addiction for
(25:25):
you know.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
And it's not gulfing them.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
It's not always just the inner circle.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
It's not always just the mom and dad or their sibling,
sometimes their son and daughter. It's grandma and grandpa who've
been taken advantage of. It's the uncle who put them
up in their house for a couple of months. It's
a cousin who was providing them unknowingly with prescriptions that
they didn't realize weren't there. Whatever I mean it, it
can be one of those things that is, you know,
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runs through the entire family based you know, determined by
of course the person's use and their wills us to
do bad things to get their stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
But even this was not a secret. This was a neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
The people in Brentwood knew that this was a struggle
for this family. There were reporters that have talked to
people who live in homes nearby who said that they
grew up around the Hiners, They grew up with Nick,
They knew him as a kid, and they would say
that this was Drugs were always nixt problem and the
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parents they did everything they could to help the kid,
to help Nick.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And this so we know that he was at Conan
O'Brien's holiday party with his parents. The reports are that
Rob and Michelle Reiner took their son with them to
keep an eye on him that increasingly they had been
worried they were at the end of their rope. They
didn't know what else to do with him, at least
in private conversations recently that had been at Clearly he
(26:56):
was probably back using, and they knew it.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
He was living in their home.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
They left the party coning of Brian's party, and that
was Saturday night, after he started getting loud, getting in
an argument with them loud. There's a report that he
got into it with Bill Hayter, the comedian. Anyway, the
parents left. We don't know if he left at the
same time. But when he left, he went and checked
into a hotel room and never checked out. But the
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maid who came in after Nick Reiner was in the
hotel room Sunday morning found a shower.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Full of blood and blood in the room.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
We also know that Billy Crystal was called by the
daughter who had found the bodies. Apparently, Rob Reiner had
a massage scheduled for Sunday. The messeuse never heard from him,
couldn't get in or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Called the daughter.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Daughter shows up, sees what's going on, or sees, you know,
the scene. Unfortunately, off her parents stabbed to death multiple times,
by the way, and calls Billy Crystal. Billy Crystal and
his wife go over right away, And that was about
thirty thirty on Sunday. The reports are that they were
they had been dead for hours, that they were in
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rigor mortis at the time that they were found.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
So that would lend obviously to the theory that whatever
happened happened.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Over Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, well, we.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Know that Nathan Hoffman is scheduled to give a news
conference at one o'clock, so just a few minutes from
us from now right downtown and we will definitely bring
that to you live.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
The one story we never got to today. We knew
this was going on, but just kind of it officially happened.
President Trump filed a lawsuit against the BBC. Filed it
last night. There's a ten billion dollar lawsuit over the
editing in a documentary that said that the presidents had
left the mistaken impression that he was calling for violent
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action before the storming of the US capital back on
January sixth, the twenty one. In this forty six page lawsuit,
filed in Miami. He accused the BBC of defaming him
and violating Florida's deceptive and unfair trade practices to act
in two counts, and he demanded five billion dollars for
each offense. The President's team said this lawsuit was designed
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to hold the network accountable for what it described as wrongdoing.
So that was made official as of last night.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Well, it could be in the next hour, supposed to
be at one, maybe a little bit later than one,
that District Attorney Nathan Hawkman will be talking about the
charges that are being filed against Nick Reiner today for
the murder of his parents, Rob Reiner and Michelle Reiner.
Hawkman will be addressing reporters there downtown Los Angeles about
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what the charges are, what we can expect next. There
was word there would be an arraignment this afternoon, but
Nick Reiner was a miss out for medical reason. Stint
get on the bus that takes the inmates that are
due for a court appearance to court this morning, so
that could happen tomorrow. We'll just have to wait and see,
and then, no doubt, Nathan Hoffman's press conference will be
(30:12):
followed up by Alan Jackson potentially, we'll see. We don't
even know if Alan Jackson, the most high profile excuse me,
a defense attorney right now at least, we don't even
know if he's met with a client, how that all
worked out, how he was hired, who made the call.
All of that we don't know, and he wouldn't speculate
(30:35):
even further. He would not give in to any speculation,
I should say earlier when reporters were asking him questions
downtown about have you met with him, what's going on,
what kind of you know, what's he like right now?
Is he remorseful, is he insane? He wouldn't answer any
of that, very squorely.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
One aspect of this story that I think is in
telling perhaps and adds to the track, is that this
is a kind of an issue that families all over
the place have had to deal with, and we had
some I mean, thanks to everybody who shared stories with
us on the talkback today. I'm sure there's thousands of
others that are out there, and some of them that
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do end like this one unfortunately. But you know, for
the most part, we did get some relatively optimistic people
out there who said, yeah, they struggled with addiction for
a long time. They fought, they got it, they got better,
even if it did take a couple of rounds.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And you know, maybe we.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Catch them on a on a I was gonna say,
a high point. Maybe we catch them at their best
when you know, at times they can get they can
get down on themselves. But this is not an it's
not an easy topic and it's not easy for any
family to deal with. So we listened to a couple
of people who said the same thing.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Hey, Gary Shannon, Yes, free labs to start before you
actually pick up called pre labs. I've only been to
two rehabs and I relaxed a few times clean. Now
seventeen rehabs, that's an awful lot.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, that was what the seventeen rehabs is what Nick
Reiner has apparently been to since he was fifteen.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
Hi, guys, love your show. I've been in and out
of addiction for a while, but I'm sober for over
twelve years. Most of the people I know in addiction
have issues with their biochemistry.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
They're either add.
Speaker 9 (32:26):
Or some parts on the spectrum, and they mitigate themselves
and that has a lot to do with addiction, and
that can't be forgotten about because would be anytime he
dual diagnosis, there are out there in the rehab centers.
That's my take. Just want to make sure these people
get attention.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Love you guys, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Well, sometimes it happens with an injury, as we all
learned in the d documentary.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Yeah, good morning Gary, Good morning Shaddon.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Michael from NARCO.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
I got to tell you, addiction is because when you're
ready to quit, you will quit until then you won't quit.
For example, I have bad knees and I still want
to go back to speed, but I won't do it because.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I know it's just going to kill me. Don't do it.
But addiction is addiction. Ahi, guys, peace out, see you,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
And it's like, do you ever stop thinking about it?
I don't know. That's why.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
You know, we heard from a woman earlier that it's
you never a graduate. You're never like, Okay, I'm cured
from this. It's something that you have to constantly work at.
And if you're not working at it, then you're working
on what that guy said, the whole prelapse thing. You know,
you start thinking about it and romanticizing and all of that.
Speaker 10 (33:39):
Thany, Gary and Shannon, thank you so much for your
compassionate coverage of this horrific story. We have a twenty
two year old son in rehab right now, and when
I heard this news, I literally thought that could be
s someday. It is a horrible, baffling, terrifying disease. I
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attend parent allan On meetings several times a week on
Zoom and it is so helpful.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yes, I've heard that repeatedly.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
That is one thing that I think that it would
be potentially a positive that came out of COVID was
the availability of things like that. Whether it's therapy online, obviously,
I would prefer that people be able to do it
face to face for the human connection es Actually.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Though, when you need it in that moment, whether you
have an addiction or you have someone in your life
that has an addiction and you need that fix of
alan On or what have you, that it's there pretty
much all day any day, you can log onto a
Zoom meeting.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
I was curious about that, and I remember looking up
I remember looking up Alcoholics anonymous meetings because the trope,
the way it's portrayed in media is if you're traveling,
you better find that meeting, you better go to the
next meeting, you better you know?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
And how available is it?
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Is it on every is it at every church basement
every Tuesday night or whatever? And the way that they
do it now that I saw this would have been
a couple of years ago. But they have meetings basically
twenty four hours a day, right, because your and if
you speak English, obviously it's going to be in different
parts of the world. But your problem, no matter where
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you live, is going to be the same problem that
someone's dealing with in Canberra, Australia, or in you know,
South Africa or something like that, right, and that that
availability is perhaps what you need in those moments.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
Hey, guys, Anonymous in Southern California, eighteen point one years,
Clean and silver. A couple of things I've learned. Number One,
drugs are bads. Number two, it's not a disease. Quitting
is a choice. Number three if you want to stay clean,
twelve steps is usually a good choice.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Twelve steps usually good choice.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
All right, well again, Nathan Hoffman expected to give a
news conference today from downtown from the County office there.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
We will carry it live and of course tomorrow during
the show we'll bring you any updates that we need to.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
John Cobalt also knows what Manola bloonnocks are, well he does.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, so you're the only male here that doesn't know.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Find that hard to believe. But John and the shoe
experts coming up next.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
You would die if you saw how much they cost.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
That's why I don't know what they are. I see
you tomorrow, Stay driver, lot of things you've been listening
to The Gary and Shannon Show. You can always hear
us live on KFI AM six forty nine am to
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This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
A M six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on
demand on the iHeartRadio app. It's like to write an
addendum to my Seahawks tirade. On this Thursday night is
possibly the most important Thursday night football game of the season.
Speaker 2 (00:23):
The Rams go to Seattle. This is an NFC West showdown.
Speaker 3 (00:27):
Good for them, good for Amazon, finally get a game.
Speaker 1 (00:30):
More than if the Seahawks beat the Rams and the
Niners win out. The Niners have the number one seed.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
In the division, right, they take the division, they take
the the NFC. Yeah, so I have.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
To root for the Seahawks on Thursday night.
Speaker 3 (00:46):
Okay, you already feel nard.
Speaker 1 (00:49):
So that's the one three hour window I would have
gotten along with my boyfriend from five hundred years ago.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
This night different from all the other nights. I think
that's passover.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
I don't know what you're doing.
Speaker 4 (01:04):
Yeah, what else is going on?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Time for pooooooo?
Speaker 3 (01:14):
What's happening?
Speaker 5 (01:18):
All right?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
Big rain, big snow, the biggest rain, the biggest snow.
Not really, but it could hit California around Christmas. A
high risk for heavy rainfall along the entire California coast
between the twenty third and Christmas Day. Also a high
risk of heavy snow along the Sierra. The rains, they
say could be fueled by those atmospheric river storms.
Speaker 2 (01:38):
Or you remember those, we had them earlier this month.
Speaker 1 (01:40):
A lot of flooding, a lot of evacuations, people in
kayaks in Long Beach, along the streets there, so widespread
rains sometime in the December twenty third to twenty sixth window.
Speaker 4 (01:52):
The people who live anywhere north of Bakersfield are ecstatic
about this because it may mean that the fog finally moves. Oh,
because they have been I was talking to myselster and
she lives up in the Sacramento area. The high temperature
yesterday was forty five. The low temperature yesterday was forty four.
Speaker 2 (02:11):
Sounds miserable.
Speaker 3 (02:12):
It just sounds awful.
Speaker 4 (02:13):
And it's moist and it's just drippy, and it's cold
and it's gray.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's been such a wonderful summer here, hasn't it.
Speaker 3 (02:20):
It's just going to say we've had a beautiful September. Thanksgiving,
Yeah great.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
Former Orange County cheerleading coach was convicted yesterday a felony
sex charges for molesting ten girls. Some of these offenses
go back more than two decades.
Speaker 2 (02:37):
I don't know.
Speaker 3 (02:39):
Can we talk about this?
Speaker 4 (02:41):
I do you know a lot of dudes that were.
Speaker 1 (02:44):
I don't coach you. That's why I said I knew
what question you were going to ask. I never once
had a male cheer coach. It's not a it's not
a guarantee that they're a molester.
Speaker 2 (02:54):
No, but.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
He was a competitive cheerleading coach at Magic All Star
from two thousand and two to two thousand and eight,
and he was assistant cheer coach at Tribuco Hills High
in two thousand and five where some of this happened. Now,
prosecutors say that these kids from Orange County were just
living their lives until this guy was arrested in a
(03:17):
case out of Florida. The prosecutors that it became a
parent to the survivors. The accusers that the man who
did it to them did it again in Florida.
Speaker 2 (03:31):
I guess you just move on with your life. You
don't want to say anything.
Speaker 1 (03:36):
One accuser said she was fourteen when she met him
in ninety nine through a YMCA summer camp.
Speaker 2 (03:42):
He was twenty one.
Speaker 1 (03:43):
A flirtatious messages eventually graduated to him taking her to
a Tribuco Hills High School dance that he would engage
in sex acts with her in a local community center
and in her car. One accuser met him in ninety eight.
She was eleven years old. They watched a movie together
(04:04):
and that's when he assaulted her. A lot of these
girls were really young, eleven when he was a coach
at Magic All Stars. One accuser was nine years old.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
My god, I wonder if this is one of those
cases where a lot of times when we hear cases
like this, they say there are probably more victims out right.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
I mean, and this just happens, and I mean all
too often girls just don't report it. They are too embarrassed.
I don't know, they just want to go and live
their lives.
Speaker 4 (04:32):
A Amazon warehouse near the gates of Lax has sold
for a record price. The real estate investment arm of
Morgan Stanley paid two hundred and eleven million dollars.
Speaker 3 (04:44):
For this distribution center on ninety eighth Street.
Speaker 4 (04:47):
I guess this is right around or in around several
private long term parking structures that serve Lax. The distribution
center was built earlier this year, which is supposed to
serve Amazon, but one of the most in demand industrial
corridors in the country.
Speaker 1 (05:05):
They say, Manola Blani has moved to South Coast Plaza,
beautiful shopping center.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
South Coast Plaza is just gorgeous. What is Manolo blank?
Is that what you just said?
Speaker 3 (05:18):
Shoes?
Speaker 2 (05:19):
Okay?
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Moving on? Wait, why do you say it like because
I don't want to waste my time? Okay, I don't
want to waste my time?
Speaker 3 (05:25):
Is the good shoes?
Speaker 1 (05:27):
A woman in Lakewood says that a Amazon driver stole
her cat. I'm calling bs. You hear about dogs being stolen,
French bulldogs specifically, they're delightful, very trendy, very sweet.
Speaker 2 (05:43):
But no one's out there stealing cats.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Okay, even if you love cats, you know you're not
out there stealing another one.
Speaker 2 (05:52):
Why Because cats are a holes.
Speaker 1 (05:55):
Love them all you want, do not ignore the fact
that they are a holes. No one's trying to steal
someone else's cat.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Am I right.
Speaker 3 (06:03):
I want everybody to hear that this is not me
speaking well.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
I'm not saying I'd give my cat away to a
shelter like you did. I wouldn't send my cat to
a kill farm.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
But like, I.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
Also don't believe people are out there trying to get
their hands on cats.
Speaker 3 (06:20):
Diet in and over.
Speaker 2 (06:23):
I don't know what you did, Mitt Romney, but you.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Know who's trying to steal a cat? Like, who's like, oh,
I want something that's gonna treat me like crap?
Speaker 2 (06:33):
Oh, where's a cat?
Speaker 6 (06:34):
You know?
Speaker 1 (06:35):
Like, first of all, if you want a cat, there's
plenty on the streets.
Speaker 2 (06:37):
So you go to a shelter, what have you?
Speaker 1 (06:39):
You adopt, But you're going to commit a crime to
steal something that's just gonna torture you, treat you like hell,
knock stuff over, be demanding, Never give you love.
Speaker 2 (06:49):
That's not something you're gonna steal.
Speaker 3 (06:50):
Right, here's something what.
Speaker 2 (06:55):
I know cat? I know your cats. Give you love.
By the way, please.
Speaker 1 (06:58):
Put down the phone or whatever you're Amazon driver, by
the way, they did identify who the driver was.
Speaker 4 (07:04):
Amazon did, Yeah, but that they've been unable to reach him. Yeah,
because nobody who's stealing a cat. A cat are off
on a honeymoon.
Speaker 2 (07:14):
They are not.
Speaker 1 (07:14):
Okay, now you're making it weird. Oh okay, I'm the
one a honeymoon. Yeah, okay, in a way, Not in
that way.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
But furthermore, two year scenario.
Speaker 1 (07:24):
We've covered news for a long time, We've covered the
dark side of news. Yeah, beast reality has made its
way into the news cycle here. Nobody has ever tried
anything with a cat.
Speaker 3 (07:38):
Oh that's interesting.
Speaker 2 (07:40):
Right, and there's a reason because they're a holes.
Speaker 6 (07:45):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
Howard Stern, Howard Stern assigned a new deal. How old
he's seventy one? Good for him. He's got a three
year deal. Seventy one years old. Isn't there point some
people are just gonna die right behind the microphone. Listen,
I'm going to tell you when it's time to go,
(08:06):
when you're when you're getting to the point where I
think it's time for you to go, I'm gonna let
you know because I care about you.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
Is that okay?
Speaker 3 (08:14):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (08:15):
How should I say it?
Speaker 3 (08:17):
Just like your normal just.
Speaker 1 (08:18):
My normal self, like don't hey, how did your wife
get you to get rid of that oval?
Speaker 4 (08:25):
Call me one morning and go, hey, I'm not going
to be able to come into work today, and neither
should you.
Speaker 3 (08:33):
Something like that. I'll get the message. That's good.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Yeah, I think you will. You're pretty quick on the uptake.
Speaker 1 (08:40):
Wait a minute, Oh, wait, are you telling me that
now is the time.
Speaker 7 (08:49):
He made?
Speaker 4 (08:49):
Do you remember when he first signed with Serious XM.
It was something like five years, five hundred million dollars
or something like that.
Speaker 2 (08:56):
Thinking of all the scenarios. But my wife's just finishing
up the diaper. I don't need to go in.
Speaker 4 (09:03):
I'm all fresh and clean now, my pudding is gone,
my pills are taken.
Speaker 3 (09:14):
I am ready.
Speaker 1 (09:17):
Oh my god, Because you're a hard worker, you know,
like you're gonna want to work until the day you die.
And I'm gonna have to be the one to tell
you it's time to not come to work, you know, yes?
Speaker 3 (09:33):
Are you ready for that? Are you ready to tell
me that? I mean, that's heavy.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
That's the thing.
Speaker 1 (09:38):
I will have retired twenty years prior, like next year.
Speaker 3 (09:43):
You call me from out of nowhere. Yeah, Hey, what's
going on. I haven't talked to you in twenty years.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
And I'll say I'm not going to work today, and
neither should you.
Speaker 2 (09:57):
Time All right, when we could.
Speaker 3 (09:59):
Just start up a flying car.
Speaker 2 (10:02):
Honey, you're not going to have your driver's license anyway.
Speaker 3 (10:05):
That's why I gotta take a flying car.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Oh I see?
Speaker 7 (10:08):
Yeah?
Speaker 3 (10:09):
So all r okay, coming back.
Speaker 4 (10:13):
We are going to talk about what's going on with
the Washington Post AI generated podcasts, and then we'll get
into true crime.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Tuesday, we're going to revisit what we know, some of
the latest.
Speaker 4 (10:24):
Information about Robin Michelle Reiner's murder and the whatever's going
on with Court Today with Nick Ryner.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
If you want to check out our Hunt for the
Elves Bonsie and Sprinkles, it's up on the upon the gram.
This was Gary and Shannon, whoever's whoever's doing that.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
Whatever magicians are planting these elves.
Speaker 2 (10:44):
For these elves are having a blast.
Speaker 5 (10:48):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Football Last night Monday Night Football, the Steelers beat the
Dolphins twenty eight to fifteen. There is college football game today,
the Salute to Veterans Bowl out of Montgomery, Alabama. The
Troy Trojans take on the Jacksonville State game Cocks. I
know that that's also the South Carolina mascot. There is
a rule in college football where you can have the
(11:14):
same mascot as another school. The Washington Post moved ahead
with podcasts despite the fact that everybody at the Washington
Post thought that they sucked. Now specifically, this is an
AI produced podcast. What they were putting out was something
(11:37):
called Your Personal Podcast feature on the Washington Post website.
It would use Generative AI to turn whatever news content
you wanted into a personalized audio episode.
Speaker 2 (11:51):
What does that mean?
Speaker 4 (11:51):
It allows you select the topics like, for example, today,
maybe you want a fifteen minute primer on on the
Rob Reiner Murder, the US Ukraine Talks and Pete hag
Set's latest something like that, So.
Speaker 2 (12:09):
You can kind of tailor the topics you want to
hear about.
Speaker 3 (12:12):
You choose the voices, you choose the length of your podcasts.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
I choose a British female and I want like maybe
eight minutes on each.
Speaker 4 (12:20):
So they tried to do this and they started it internally.
They had just the people who worked at the Washington
Post fill these little forms out and come up with
these things. Everybody who worked at the Washington Post said
the quotes that this AI would generate were absolutely fabricated.
The information that was included was misattributed. The commentary was editorialized,
(12:44):
even though this was only supposed to be a straight
news program. No editorial pronunciation mistakes in the AI generated
podcasts and everybody knows we're the only ones allowed to
make pronunciation mistakes.
Speaker 8 (12:56):
Okay, guys, it's called Canbra, that's the capital, not Canberra.
Speaker 3 (13:01):
And then it's BONDI not Bondie. Please, I did.
Speaker 2 (13:05):
That once yesterday. Let's just put down the hatchet some ps.
Speaker 1 (13:10):
I kind of like this curated, like self curated show.
If it was people that I knew, like you and me,
you know what I mean, Like, if it was somebody
where it wasn't some AI bought putting together the topics
that I want to hear about. It was people that
I trust, like you and me, that'd be pretty cool.
Like I want to hear this, this, and this today
on my way to work, Like I've got a thirty
eight minute drive and I want to hear these three topics.
(13:32):
I want to hear, you know, Gary and Shannon do it,
or I want to hear John or Conway or whatever
address these three things. That sounds like that would be cool. Well,
choose your own adventure news show.
Speaker 4 (13:45):
The Post I think has that same. At least the
editors at the Post had that same idea that there
is a mark just not there yet. It's clearly not
there yet. They refer to it as an AI powered
audio briefing experience rather than the traditional edit real podcasts, which,
by the way, are already popular. Both The New York
Times in Washington Posts do sort of morning briefing style
(14:07):
podcasts that have been perennially popular on the list like
it would be fun to have.
Speaker 1 (14:13):
Like, you know, get in my car and I'm like, Okay,
I want ten minutes from Conway on Ukraine. I want
ten minutes from John on Christmas cookie recipes, best and
worst and things to avoid?
Speaker 3 (14:27):
Can I do a second?
Speaker 7 (14:28):
John?
Speaker 2 (14:28):
Oh? Sure?
Speaker 3 (14:29):
On the Manolo blonet.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Manolo blons that thing you want? John probably knows what
manolos are. I would bet you he does.
Speaker 2 (14:37):
Is he here, John here?
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Not yet, but I would bet you a lot of
money that he knows what those are.
Speaker 4 (14:46):
Staffers at the Washington Posts were worried that this would
undermine journalistic standards, obviously because they're slapping a Washington Post
logo on it, and could confuse listeners about what constitutes
reliable reporting.
Speaker 3 (14:59):
This is is one of the big issues.
Speaker 4 (15:02):
The company says that the tool is an early is
in an early beta phase, and emphasizes that it's not
meant to replace human hosted shows, then don't let it.
Speaker 3 (15:13):
Then don't do it.
Speaker 4 (15:14):
If it's not meant to replace human hosted shows, don't
offer it as an option. We're starting to see I'd
like the narrated podcast that are entering mainstream listening habits.
There are some out there that and here's the problem.
If you want to listen to an AI generated podcast,
(15:34):
that's completely up to you, but you should know whether
it is AI generated or it is human generated.
Speaker 2 (15:43):
Yeah, that's why you know. We're always human.
Speaker 1 (15:45):
We're so bad and we're so wrong about things in
Australia that we've got to be human.
Speaker 3 (15:51):
We've got to be got Cara, Canberra, can Berra.
Speaker 1 (15:57):
I just got into a fight with an Australian and
in the newsroom about football, and then I ended football.
I ended up saying you're not even from this country
and I felt awful about that.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
You told him to go home is basically what you did.
You told him go back to from whence Hugh came.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
And I was defending the Chargers too, which is a weird,
a weird fight.
Speaker 3 (16:24):
So mixed emotions this week, This is going to be
an interesting week for you.
Speaker 1 (16:28):
Not mixed emotions yet, usually one team is in the playoffs,
the other is not. Usually I can kind of manage
both of my children in the postseason, or at this
time of year, I can catch a Niner game or
you know, Niners in the playoffs, Chargers are or what
have you. And this time they're both in the in
the thick of it, and hard spending time with both,
(16:51):
you know, it really is.
Speaker 2 (16:53):
It's hard.
Speaker 1 (16:54):
It's hard spending time with both of my children. They're
both doing so well, and and and it's also because
they're doing so well, I'm just I'm preparing to, you know,
for when the end happens for them.
Speaker 3 (17:08):
When do we start our Saturday games?
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And then Pro Football Focus has this like three percent
chance in the back of my head, a point zero
three percent chance that it's the Niners and the Chargers
and the Super.
Speaker 3 (17:20):
Bowl in the Super Bowl itself.
Speaker 1 (17:22):
And that point zero three percent chance that lives in
the back of my head kind of fires off randomly.
Sometimes I'm not even awake. It's and I can't even
conceptualize that.
Speaker 4 (17:33):
It's like you're looking out at a at a landscape
somewhere and there's just like one little flash alike, ye,
like there's an artificial like there's somebody with a mirror
trying to signal you.
Speaker 1 (17:41):
Oh, that's not real. I don't need to worry about that.
That's not aliens. Speaking of aliens, aren't we three days
away from touchdown?
Speaker 4 (17:49):
I don't like to get specific, but Friday, yes, is
when we're supposed to see the closest pass to Earth
three I Atlas somewhere like one hundred seventy million miles
out there. Okay, which as close as it's going to get.
Speaker 2 (18:03):
I love it. Well, I'm not you're not an expert.
Speaker 1 (18:09):
But the aliens, they choose to arrive, they're gonna get closer.
Speaker 4 (18:13):
If they want to get closer. Yeah, I mean you
don't want them dropping off.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
Well, they're dropping all their DNA.
Speaker 3 (18:18):
Speed seedlings, speed seedlings.
Speaker 1 (18:21):
That's what they've been doing. They've been dropping their seed
all over us. Remember that's what you told us. You
said that, you said they were dropping genetic material. All right, Elmer, Yeah,
he's backing away like he didn't say these words to everybody,
the primordial glue. Gary, Gary, I don't even know what
(18:45):
that means. Is that bad that I just say? Did
I just like swear in another language?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Is that no. Gary and Shannon will continue close to
this show.
Speaker 5 (18:54):
Okay, you're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from
KF six forty.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
Well, it is about one o'clock that we are anticipating
District Attorney Nathan Hawkman to make his initial remarks about
the arrest of Rob and Michelle Reiner's son for their
Grizzly murder over the weekend. We understand that he was
a medical miss out, which means he did not get
(19:24):
on the bus to transport people from the Twin Towers
or from Men's Central Jail to the courthouse this morning
for whatever reason, whatever medical reason. Alan Jackson is his
defense attorney. The most prominent high profile defense attorney you
can get these days is Alan Jackson, fresh off the
(19:45):
Karen Reid victory there on the East Coast in New England.
Speaker 4 (19:54):
You mentioned this earlier, and I'd be curious to see
if this pans out. If this would you call it
medical miss out? Yeah, this weather, this turns into the
beginning of some sort of a defense, some.
Speaker 1 (20:06):
Sort of a he's crazy, he wasn't in his right
mind when he killed his parents, and he is obviously
going through something. He's shown the signs of being unstable
in prison, your honor, that whole bit.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Yeah, right.
Speaker 4 (20:20):
The information that we have, by the way, it continues
to come in in terms of the timeline of last
weekend and what it was that potentially, at least the
actions that led up to the deaths of Rob and
Michelle Reiner.
Speaker 1 (20:35):
We talked earlier about it, and if you missed it,
we took a lot of messages from people as well
that have had addiction in their lives. It touches every
family and everyone has a family member probably who has
dealt with an addiction of some kind. And one of
the things that this case highlights is addiction does not
discriminate people who have it all, have all the money
(20:57):
in the world, all the success in the world, cannot
escape from eating up their family if that's what that
addiction is intent on doing. And one of the things
we talked about yesterday was that Nick Reiner had started
going to rehabs. His parents put him in the first
one when he was fifteen years old. He had been
(21:17):
to seventeen different rehabs or centers or what have you,
treatment programs, and when they put together the movie in
twenty sixteen, Rob Reiner and his son, a movie loosely
based off their fight against Nick's addiction, a fictionalized account
of pretty real events. Rob Reiner did many interviews that
(21:39):
have been unearthed now where he talks about believing anybody
with a desk in a diploma, and his wife was
reported Michelle is saying that these people were telling them
that their son was a liar and a manipulator, and
we should have just believed our son. We know our son.
(22:00):
He was able to look at him now in this
he's twenty two at the time. Look at him now,
he's sober. He didn't need that kind of deal. You know,
maybe it's not for everybody. Rehabs and it's not, but
you know, you don't have to buy into X Y
or Z program if you have an addiction, but you
it's I don't know the success rates of just stopping
(22:20):
the substance and that working forever and not doing any
sort of work on what led you into that addiction,
because that's really the meat of it. And I don't
know when they pulled the plug on any sort of
you know, emotional and recovery or from whatever it was,
(22:45):
or what mental illness. That's kind of something that's gone
by the wayside to today it's any sort of mental illness,
like what was he ever diagnosed with anything? Right? That
had been kind of the the narrative yesterday was that
there was an addiction and maybe some mental health issues
if they didn't believe in the rehab process, like it
(23:06):
seems from previous interviews they did. Did they believe in
any mental health evaluation? I don't know was that ever done?
Speaker 3 (23:17):
And again it.
Speaker 4 (23:18):
Exists they had the resources to get all of that done.
Whether or not they actually did, though, you know, is
one of those keys. He Nick talked about his addiction
on or at least one of the relapses that he
had in twenty eighteen, he was on a podcast and
he told a friend of his who was the host
of the podcast, that he wasn't sober. This would have
(23:39):
been a podcast that he recorded in twenty eighteen, and
he said that he'd been smoking marijuana, he'd been taken adderall,
that he had relapsed on heroin and some other hard
drugs just the year before, and that during an intervention
apparently he'd had a cocaine heart attack. That television show,
by the way, interview mention.
Speaker 3 (24:02):
Was as.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
I'm using the word intentionally here as sobering. I think
as I've ever seen television b just in terms of
people to at a breaking point, at a point where
the family was willing to do the thing that they
knew could potentially nuke the relationship with that family member,
which was I am telling you, we're going to give
(24:29):
you all the resources we have to to get you
to rehab, to get you help that you need, or
it's over. You can't contact me, I won't give you money.
You can't stay in our house. You can't do this,
you can't do that. That kind of pressure on the
family sometimes doesn't work, And I'm sorry.
Speaker 2 (24:55):
Yeah, pressure on, pressure on the.
Speaker 4 (24:57):
Person sometimes does not work, and it's over for them.
They choose their drug over their family.
Speaker 1 (25:05):
Yeah, And it's very powerful, and you're right. That show
really for the first time shows you the familial turmoil
of how someone's in particular addiction affects everyone around them,
and mentioned how just shattering to love someone but to
hate them for their addiction or hate the addiction for
(25:25):
you know.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
And it's not gulfing them.
Speaker 3 (25:27):
It's not always just the inner circle.
Speaker 4 (25:29):
It's not always just the mom and dad or their sibling,
sometimes their son and daughter. It's grandma and grandpa who've
been taken advantage of. It's the uncle who put them
up in their house for a couple of months. It's
a cousin who was providing them unknowingly with prescriptions that
they didn't realize weren't there. Whatever I mean it, it
can be one of those things that is, you know,
(25:53):
runs through the entire family based you know, determined by
of course the person's use and their wills us to
do bad things to get their stuff.
Speaker 3 (26:02):
But even this was not a secret. This was a neighborhood.
Speaker 4 (26:06):
The people in Brentwood knew that this was a struggle
for this family. There were reporters that have talked to
people who live in homes nearby who said that they
grew up around the Hiners, They grew up with Nick,
They knew him as a kid, and they would say
that this was Drugs were always nixt problem and the
(26:29):
parents they did everything they could to help the kid,
to help Nick.
Speaker 1 (26:34):
And this so we know that he was at Conan
O'Brien's holiday party with his parents. The reports are that
Rob and Michelle Reiner took their son with them to
keep an eye on him that increasingly they had been
worried they were at the end of their rope. They
didn't know what else to do with him, at least
in private conversations recently that had been at Clearly he
(26:56):
was probably back using, and they knew it.
Speaker 2 (26:59):
He was living in their home.
Speaker 1 (27:01):
They left the party coning of Brian's party, and that
was Saturday night, after he started getting loud, getting in
an argument with them loud. There's a report that he
got into it with Bill Hayter, the comedian. Anyway, the
parents left. We don't know if he left at the
same time. But when he left, he went and checked
into a hotel room and never checked out. But the
(27:23):
maid who came in after Nick Reiner was in the
hotel room Sunday morning found a shower.
Speaker 2 (27:29):
Full of blood and blood in the room.
Speaker 1 (27:33):
We also know that Billy Crystal was called by the
daughter who had found the bodies. Apparently, Rob Reiner had
a massage scheduled for Sunday. The messeuse never heard from him,
couldn't get in or whatever.
Speaker 2 (27:45):
Called the daughter.
Speaker 1 (27:46):
Daughter shows up, sees what's going on, or sees, you know,
the scene. Unfortunately, off her parents stabbed to death multiple times,
by the way, and calls Billy Crystal. Billy Crystal and
his wife go over right away, And that was about
thirty thirty on Sunday. The reports are that they were
they had been dead for hours, that they were in
(28:07):
rigor mortis at the time that they were found.
Speaker 3 (28:10):
So that would lend obviously to the theory that whatever
happened happened.
Speaker 2 (28:14):
Over Saturday night.
Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, well, we.
Speaker 4 (28:18):
Know that Nathan Hoffman is scheduled to give a news
conference at one o'clock, so just a few minutes from
us from now right downtown and we will definitely bring
that to you live.
Speaker 5 (28:29):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 2 (28:37):
Oh.
Speaker 4 (28:37):
The one story we never got to today. We knew
this was going on, but just kind of it officially happened.
President Trump filed a lawsuit against the BBC. Filed it
last night. There's a ten billion dollar lawsuit over the
editing in a documentary that said that the presidents had
left the mistaken impression that he was calling for violent
(28:57):
action before the storming of the US capital back on
January sixth, the twenty one. In this forty six page lawsuit,
filed in Miami. He accused the BBC of defaming him
and violating Florida's deceptive and unfair trade practices to act
in two counts, and he demanded five billion dollars for
each offense. The President's team said this lawsuit was designed
(29:20):
to hold the network accountable for what it described as wrongdoing.
So that was made official as of last night.
Speaker 1 (29:29):
Well, it could be in the next hour, supposed to
be at one, maybe a little bit later than one,
that District Attorney Nathan Hawkman will be talking about the
charges that are being filed against Nick Reiner today for
the murder of his parents, Rob Reiner and Michelle Reiner.
Hawkman will be addressing reporters there downtown Los Angeles about
(29:50):
what the charges are, what we can expect next. There
was word there would be an arraignment this afternoon, but
Nick Reiner was a miss out for medical reason. Stint
get on the bus that takes the inmates that are
due for a court appearance to court this morning, so
that could happen tomorrow. We'll just have to wait and see,
and then, no doubt, Nathan Hoffman's press conference will be
(30:12):
followed up by Alan Jackson potentially, we'll see. We don't
even know if Alan Jackson, the most high profile excuse me,
a defense attorney right now at least, we don't even
know if he's met with a client, how that all
worked out, how he was hired, who made the call.
All of that we don't know, and he wouldn't speculate
(30:35):
even further. He would not give in to any speculation,
I should say earlier when reporters were asking him questions
downtown about have you met with him, what's going on,
what kind of you know, what's he like right now?
Is he remorseful, is he insane? He wouldn't answer any
of that, very squorely.
Speaker 4 (30:53):
One aspect of this story that I think is in
telling perhaps and adds to the track, is that this
is a kind of an issue that families all over
the place have had to deal with, and we had
some I mean, thanks to everybody who shared stories with
us on the talkback today. I'm sure there's thousands of
others that are out there, and some of them that
(31:14):
do end like this one unfortunately. But you know, for
the most part, we did get some relatively optimistic people
out there who said, yeah, they struggled with addiction for
a long time. They fought, they got it, they got better,
even if it did take a couple of rounds.
Speaker 3 (31:27):
And you know, maybe we.
Speaker 4 (31:29):
Catch them on a on a I was gonna say,
a high point. Maybe we catch them at their best
when you know, at times they can get they can
get down on themselves. But this is not an it's
not an easy topic and it's not easy for any
family to deal with. So we listened to a couple
of people who said the same thing.
Speaker 7 (31:48):
Hey, Gary Shannon, Yes, free labs to start before you
actually pick up called pre labs. I've only been to
two rehabs and I relaxed a few times clean. Now
seventeen rehabs, that's an awful lot.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
Yeah, that was what the seventeen rehabs is what Nick
Reiner has apparently been to since he was fifteen.
Speaker 9 (32:14):
Hi, guys, love your show. I've been in and out
of addiction for a while, but I'm sober for over
twelve years. Most of the people I know in addiction
have issues with their biochemistry.
Speaker 3 (32:24):
They're either add.
Speaker 9 (32:26):
Or some parts on the spectrum, and they mitigate themselves
and that has a lot to do with addiction, and
that can't be forgotten about because would be anytime he
dual diagnosis, there are out there in the rehab centers.
That's my take. Just want to make sure these people
get attention.
Speaker 3 (32:40):
Love you guys, Thank you.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
Well, sometimes it happens with an injury, as we all
learned in the d documentary.
Speaker 6 (32:46):
Yeah, good morning Gary, Good morning Shaddon.
Speaker 3 (32:48):
Michael from NARCO.
Speaker 6 (32:50):
I got to tell you, addiction is because when you're
ready to quit, you will quit until then you won't quit.
For example, I have bad knees and I still want
to go back to speed, but I won't do it because.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I know it's just going to kill me. Don't do it.
But addiction is addiction. Ahi, guys, peace out, see you,
thank you.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
And it's like, do you ever stop thinking about it?
I don't know. That's why.
Speaker 1 (33:20):
You know, we heard from a woman earlier that it's
you never a graduate. You're never like, Okay, I'm cured
from this. It's something that you have to constantly work at.
And if you're not working at it, then you're working
on what that guy said, the whole prelapse thing. You know,
you start thinking about it and romanticizing and all of that.
Speaker 10 (33:39):
Thany, Gary and Shannon, thank you so much for your
compassionate coverage of this horrific story. We have a twenty
two year old son in rehab right now, and when
I heard this news, I literally thought that could be
s someday. It is a horrible, baffling, terrifying disease. I
(34:02):
attend parent allan On meetings several times a week on
Zoom and it is so helpful.
Speaker 2 (34:08):
Yes, I've heard that repeatedly.
Speaker 4 (34:11):
That is one thing that I think that it would
be potentially a positive that came out of COVID was
the availability of things like that. Whether it's therapy online, obviously,
I would prefer that people be able to do it
face to face for the human connection es Actually.
Speaker 1 (34:27):
Though, when you need it in that moment, whether you
have an addiction or you have someone in your life
that has an addiction and you need that fix of
alan On or what have you, that it's there pretty
much all day any day, you can log onto a
Zoom meeting.
Speaker 4 (34:42):
I was curious about that, and I remember looking up
I remember looking up Alcoholics anonymous meetings because the trope,
the way it's portrayed in media is if you're traveling,
you better find that meeting, you better go to the
next meeting, you better you know?
Speaker 3 (35:00):
And how available is it?
Speaker 4 (35:02):
Is it on every is it at every church basement
every Tuesday night or whatever? And the way that they
do it now that I saw this would have been
a couple of years ago. But they have meetings basically
twenty four hours a day, right, because your and if
you speak English, obviously it's going to be in different
parts of the world. But your problem, no matter where
(35:26):
you live, is going to be the same problem that
someone's dealing with in Canberra, Australia, or in you know,
South Africa or something like that, right, and that that
availability is perhaps what you need in those moments.
Speaker 8 (35:41):
Hey, guys, Anonymous in Southern California, eighteen point one years,
Clean and silver. A couple of things I've learned. Number One,
drugs are bads. Number two, it's not a disease. Quitting
is a choice. Number three if you want to stay clean,
twelve steps is usually a good choice.
Speaker 3 (36:00):
Twelve steps usually good choice.
Speaker 4 (36:02):
All right, well again, Nathan Hoffman expected to give a
news conference today from downtown from the County office there.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
We will carry it live and of course tomorrow during
the show we'll bring you any updates that we need to.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
John Cobalt also knows what Manola bloonnocks are, well he does.
Speaker 2 (36:20):
Yeah, so you're the only male here that doesn't know.
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Find that hard to believe. But John and the shoe
experts coming up next.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
You would die if you saw how much they cost.
Speaker 4 (36:30):
That's why I don't know what they are. I see
you tomorrow, Stay driver, lot of things you've been listening
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