November 20, 2025 • 30 mins
In today’s #WhatsHappening: a new weather shift is on the way, Warner Bros. prepares an auction that could reshape Hollywood, and dengue is detected in a SoCal mosquito. Plus—McDonald’s drops Grinch-themed fries, listeners share their Holiday Meal Game Plans, and in #StrangeScience we explore an unexpected question: how long has humanity actually been kissing?
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. We've been watching this very sad
procession of officers as they escort the body of an
Alhambra police officer killed in a pursuit last night. A
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passenger in the car that was being chased was also killed.
But officer Alex Sanders joined the Alhambra Police Department just
eight months ago after serving some time with a Long
Beach police department, died at the hospital. He was twenty
eight years old, twenty eight and this procession took his
body to the coroner's office, and the hospital that he
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was taken to is close enough. They walked several dozen
officers walked behind the corner's office van to the hospital.
So that's a sad thing going on. We'll talk about
it throughout the course of the day. On KFI News,
speaking of Michael Monk says, we're talking about LA Fire chief,
the new fire chief, himI Moore, who had suggested that
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the media has been smearing some of the firefighters who
battled the Palisades fire. What he is saying is that
some of the reporting, particularly in the La Times, which
uncovered some supposed text messages among firefighters about the Lachman
fire which preceded the Palisades fire, is smearing those firefighters
and the firefighters, according to that reporting, said we probably
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should not leave this fire. It is not out, and
that was reported in the La Times. We've since learned,
because of the charges against an individual, that the Lachman
fires believed to have been smoldering out of sight on
January first, and then re emerged when the Santa Ana
Wins blew in on January seventh and it became the
Palisades fire.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
So the chief said that this is a smear.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Just days after going before the city council and talking
about transparency and supporting an investigation, I throw overview and
transparency for the Lochman fire. So it was a complete
shift in tone. Friday, he was before the city Council
to get his final confirmation to become the permanent fire chief. Tuesday,
he appeared before the La Fire Commission just for their
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regular monthly meeting, and that's when he talked about the smears.
Also at that meeting was former LA Fire Union president
Freddie Escobar, who also had some strong words about everything
that's going on.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Here's what he said, with everything going on regarding the
Lochman fire in the media, I'd be remiss if I
didn't address the obvious. Our members fear speaking up. That's
probably why there's no signature on that letter. Chief Crowley
told the truth and she was fired. I told the
truth and I was removed from office. I stand with
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the men and women of the LAFD. I will be
their voice. No one's gonna bully me around zero. But
the men and women of the LAFD today are scared
to speak up, and that should be to everybody here.
Why are they scared? The mayor and the city council
members have provided a culture that if you speak up
and you tell the truth, you're going to be removed,
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and that is wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
This was some pretty harsh words about the mayor and
the city council and also maybe a bit inaccurate when
he talks about being removed from his office as president
of the union. He was suspended from that role after
it was reported that he had allegedly mismanaged the union's finances,
so that played into his removal as well. But you
still hear the defense of the former Chief Crowley. I
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thought last week when the new fire chief, I may More,
spoke at city Council and specifically mentioned that he supports
Mayor Bass's plan to look into the Lockman fire. He
said Mayor Bass's name multiple times, that he was avowing
his allegiance to this new mayor, which is probably something
she wants after the tension that emerged between her and
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former Chief Crowley. I also thought, just as an observer
a reporter, that seeing the news come out about the
Lockman fire may add credence to the removal of the
previous fire chief if you view that as a mismanaged situation,
seem to look okay, But then you hear these remarks
from Chief More on Tuesday, and now I'm not really
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sure what the thing about all of it?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Right Well, I also I would disagree with his characterization
that this is a smear of firefighters. That sounds like
the rank and file firefighters that were up on that
hill that we're telling their higher ups it's too hot,
rocks are hot. We believe it's still smoldering, we know
the wind is coming, we should probably still be here,
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And that a battalion chief was the one that told
them to leave. That's different than suggesting that the rank
and file firefighters in La City Fire.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Department are the ones that are being smeared exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So the allegation to go from transparency, calling for transparency
and investigation to basically saying fake news in seventy two hours.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Is quite a whiplash. Interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
When is he going to be on the Michael Lunks Show.
I'd like to have them on to talk about these things.
We'll see how Because you know, when you are the
chief of the fire department or the police department in
La Are really any big city, you've got a balancing act.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You do have the elected officials.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That are maybe breathing down your neck and also expect
a certain loyalty perhaps or to have their agenda pushed.
You also have the rank and file. You have the
union that you have to deal with, and those philosophies,
those initiatives, those agendas are often at odds with one another,
and so it's tough to balance that. And so I think,
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just in his first not even full week in office, yet,
we're seeing how.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
That might play out. All right, Michael, thank you my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
It's twelve o'clock, which also means it's time to check
and see what else is going on.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Time for what's happening.
Speaker 1 (05:52):
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we continue to see this parade of storms making its
way through tonight, we have an expectation half inch inch
of rain probably in some of those areas in the
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valleys in the mountains.
Speaker 2 (06:15):
An insure to more but a possibility.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
This is where it gets crazy of some very strong
gusty winds tonight and into tomorrow, and even a tornado
as mentioned in the National Weather Service forecast. Keep it,
keep it.
Speaker 5 (06:29):
Variety can make it a variety of things that we
keep people on our toes.
Speaker 1 (06:32):
Yeah, great enough. Warner Brothers is expected to be the
winner when it comes to this paramount. Comcast Netflix vying
for this prize paramount. Comcast and Netflix are each expected
to submit proposals for all or parts of Warner Brothers.
(06:54):
The non binding bids would mark the completion of the
first phase of auction and all of this this accelerates
the potent angel sale of some huge names we know
from media and entertainment HBO, CNN, Warner Brothers, Film, Warner Brothers, TV,
et cetera. The Warner Brothers chief executive David Zaslov and
the company's board unanimously rejected three earlier overtures from David
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Ellison of Paramount, largely a cash offer which would have
been close to about sixty billion dollars. That's a lot of.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Cash billion to have on hand at one you got
right now, cash on hand, reach a tottal less than
sixty billion, by about fifty nine billion and change a
little less.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I want to get robbed in the parking lot. Yeah,
money rate parking lot, Like there's anybody in this building
to rob you. Mosquito here in La County has tested
positive for dengay. The first detection of the virus in
an eighties mosquito in the state ades not eight zero
s an eighties mosquito. The mosquitos found in a surveillance
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trap over in Sun Valley. At least seven cases of
locally acquired dengay have been reported by La County health
officials this year.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
What I love that they say of course ways to
mitigate this pour out standing water.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
We have rain coming again. Good luck to you all.
Don't pour it out until tomorrow because it's just going
to get more. The Grinch is coming to your McDonald's fries.
Doctor Sue Center prizes in McDonald's teaming up with new
Grinch Salt. Okay, hold on the Grinches Dill pickle Grinch Salt,
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mcshaker fries coming to pickle anything you use the mcshaker
bag to sprinkle dill pickle seasoning all over their fries.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I'm not opposed to that.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Your pickle guy, I am.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I like a pickle.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You like a pickle? Like a pickle? What I've heard?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
What when we come back getting through your holiday dinners,
we have some great suggestions. If you have to void
certain topics or certain relatives, we'll do that when we
come back.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six.
Speaker 1 (09:09):
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Holiday offerings available now through January seventh. Offering subject to
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restrictions and change without notice. Tiffany Hobbs has joined us
today in for Shannon who's on vacation. I have you
are going to be out and about on Saturday coming up?
Speaker 5 (10:02):
I will I will be in Mission via ho at
Wendy's with Neil Savagra after the Fork Report as we
kick off Pastathon, and would love for all of you
to come out and listen to the broadcast, listen to
both shows and I know Handles joining Neil as well.
And it's all in an effort to get things revving
and rearing to go for Pastathon, which is quickly approaching.
(10:25):
So I'll see you there from five to seven pm
at Wendy's and Mission via Ho.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
We talked earlier about this survey that said that forty
seven percent of adults would prefer to sit at the
kids table at holiday dinners because they want to avoid
uncomfortable conversations. That there are certain things that should be
off limits. Obviously, politics is going to be one of
those things, followed by personal finances, someone's appearance or wait, religion,
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things like that. So we were asking, what kind of
a roadmap do you have, what kind of play and
do you have to avoid problems when it comes to
your holiday dinners.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
The secret to secret driving any holiday party is obtaining
and then using a metric as ton of weed.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Not a little bit, a metric as ton banana for
scale right metric ass time. I haven't done Thanksgiving with
my family since ninety two because they're crazy and toxic.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So I stay.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Home with I don't know, my roommate, my friends, whatever,
and I make a dinner and smoke weed.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
And it's usually belts or steak or something fun to eat,
decadent blt.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
But yeah, nobody, I don't like my family.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You wouldn't tell, I couldn't tell.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Hey, Garyan Jannon, this is Greg Collin two times out.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Of the year.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Andrea, gar you guessed Thanksgiving and Christmas. You just set
around and talk about my activities throughout the year, my
outdoor activities in the mountain biking that I do. And
I'll but I do gonna let you know that I
call from Knoxville, Tennessee. I'll listen to you guys while
I'm at work in a hospital earbuds. So thank you
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very much for.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
My thank you love Knoxville, very kind love that.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Hey, guys, no shoot on Sharnon, but Hoffman and Hobbs
has a great ring to it.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Haven't it all right? Well, maybe we'll make T shirts
or something.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Gary, when my family gets together, it's for Thanksgiving or
anything else.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
We're all adults, we all know, just leave it alone.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
We don't need to discuss politics, we don't need to
for your each other.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Just let it go.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
So yeah, Unfortunately, not all adults work on that level. No,
I can't say they do.
Speaker 9 (12:50):
Know, Hey, Gary, we have a smaller things giving now,
family's kind of spread out.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Some of them died off.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
I did the boy talking to them all ago.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
A cigar and.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You shouldn't left with that. But it's it's just a
funny way to read.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
It's smaller now everyone's everyone's dead.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Hi, Gary, I have the perfect roadmap for avoiding awkward
questions at family dinners, and that's that I don't go
to them anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Happy Thanksgiving. Not the happiest way to celebrate things.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
At my house.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
Half the family of San Francisco Giant fans.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
The rest of them are, of course Los Angeles Dodger fans.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
A couple of Padres thrown in there. So why we
are we both know what?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
What's not a good conversation this year?
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Listen?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I think the one thing the Giants and Dodgers fans
can agree on is don't have Padres fans.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
That's your Thanksgiving dinner. Bring down the room, come.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Together, hobbs, welcome and it's so nice to hear you today.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (13:55):
But Gary, I got to ask you, Shannon is not
on the charge or tale? They're on a bye week?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Correct?
Speaker 8 (14:03):
Is she on the S word? Is she on the
V word? Let me know? I miss miss Sparren. But Tiffany,
wonderful job, thank you, thank you, V.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Word vacation vacation. I was going in a completely wrong direction.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
She has not been suspended this time. She is on vacation.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
We believe I'm just here for today. I think we believe,
we believe we'll see Queen all right when we come back.
Strange science is coming along.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
A couple of uh have highly watched economic indicators came
out just yesterday, and Video reported earnings after the markets
closed and did a lot better than expected. Adding to
the positive sentiment. Walmart raised its sales forecast for the year,
and then this morning, job growth came out. Those numbers
defied expectations. For September, according to the Labor Department, grew
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seasonally adjusted one hundred and nineteen thousand on the month.
That was the strongest gain we saw since April. But
the unemployment rate different from the jobs figures. The unemployment
rate did go up slightly to four point four percent.
That saw and absolutely gangbusters opening on Wall Street. With
the Dow up more than five hundred close to six
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hundred points, it has been flirting with negative territories down
about two point fifty right now, with just about another
twenty to twenty five minutes or so left in trading Well.
Tiffany Hobbs has joined us in for Shannon today. I
have You're about to experience your very first strange science.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
Oh strange saw.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Yes, it's like weird science, but strange.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
We talked a bit about this in the first hour
of the show. You can always go back and check
out the podcast. NASA yesterday released new images and information
about three i at lists and they said, very clearly,
very plainly, this is a comet.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I repeat, it is a comet.
Speaker 9 (16:16):
Nothing to say, like to address the rumors right at
the beginning, I think it's important that we talk about
that this object is a comet. It looks and behaves
like a comet and has and all evidence points to
it being a comet. But this one came from outside
the Solar System.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Okay, whatever NERD.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Doth protest much, mister science persons person.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
There are some fresh observations, not just from a spacecraft
that are closer to it, but telescopes positioned across the
Solar System, including missions at Mars Earth deep space. They've
all captured images the comets, coma, the trajectory, the brightness
multiple angles. Over the last couple of months. It's only
the and this is what makes it unusual. It's only
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the third interstellar object ever detected, meaning it came from
outside our Solar system to come into our Solar system.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
And likely has existed before our Solar system even existed.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Older, older than the Sun and the planet.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Don't like that.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Creepy, hard to understand.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Creepy. There was also a study that made its way
a headline that you saw kissing goes back a very
long time.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Millions of years is what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Kissing according to a new study that was purpose published
in the journal Evolution and Human Behavior, said that even
though Homo sapiens have been around for about three hundred
thousand years, kissing goes back twenty one million years, almost
as old as the comic.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Almost as old as the comic.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Researchers have concluded the kissing most likely occurred in Neanderthals,
which are by our closest extinct relatives, and they got
a little freaky with modern humans that Neanderthals may have
actually kissed Homo sapiens.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
It was always really interesting to me to think about
the first of anything. At some point, these Neanderthals likely
experimented with their bodies and the first time they did something,
what was that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Like, Well, there comes a time in a young Neanderthal's
life where his body begins to change. Probably right, things
feel funny. Matilda Brindle is an evolutionary biologist at the
University of Oxford.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Of course, her name is Matilda.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
She said, this is the first time anyone has taken
a broad evolutionary lens to examine kissing. Our findings add
to a growing body of work that highlights the remarkable
diversity of sexual behaviors exhibited by our primate cousins. They
first of all had to figure out what it meant
to kiss, and it was important because there are other
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mouth to mouth actions that might look like kissing. Orangutans
and panzees will transfer chewed food to their infants mouth
to mouth. Fish engage in kiss fighting, which is for
territory usually, And they said that they had to define
a kiss as we would see it today as non aggressive,
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depending on who you are, non aggressive mouth to mouth
contact that does not involve food transfer.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Now all of.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Those things, there could be some mistakes that happened, and
maybe there is some of that food transfer.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Maybe it is a little aggressive too.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Much in the weeds for me here. But based on
this definition, various modern day primates, bonobo's, gorillas, chimps, rangutings, macoques,
and baboons have all been observed kissing.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
Well, what.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
They treated the researchers, Now you screwed me up. They
used a statistical method called Bayesian modeling to reconstruct evolutionary
history of kissing as a biological trait. And it makes
sense that it's a biological tree. Kissing the way we
think of it is often a precursor to other types
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of intimacy. Yeah, so not always, but it can in
romantic partners. Perhaps did this precipitate anything? Is yes, by
somebody one of you, Like you said that first time
that Neanderthal kissed homosapei in and went whoa, I felt that.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, it moved, Okay, you started it. Just so you know.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Scientists have traced the origins of the most massive black
hole merger ever observed. They said that these were two
quote impossible giants that may have formed despite longstanding assumptions
that those things could not exist. These black holes were
considered forbidden because a star of that size would blow
itself apart in extremely powerful explosions, which means it would
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leave behind no remnant that would eventually collapse into a
back black hole. Now there's having to stretch out their
sizing basically.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Yeah, and these observations just put Einstein's theory of general
relativity to the test because of space time curvature around
these black holes. And it's it's definitely arguing for or
against Einstein at this point.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And what I love is I want to meet these
people at a party and I want that and I go, hey,
what have you been working on? And they go, oh, well,
this rapidly spinning magnetized star usually collapses in an unexpected way,
and that can produce black holes inside a forbidden mass range,
setting the stage for a colossal merger event like we
just saw in GW two three one one two three,
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And you go, okay, where's the mixer for this? Where's okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Going to go freshen up my anything.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
There is a suggestion that the more people use AI,
the more likely they are to overestimate their own abilities.
This is very similar to what we were just talking
about in the show.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
As well.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Scientists of Finland's Alto University they collaborate with some Researchers
in Germany and Canada as well found that using AI
removes the Dunning Kruger effect.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
In fact, it almost reverses it.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
This research shows that when using common chatbots to solve problems, everyone,
no matter what your skill level is in the topic
that you're looking at, everyone tends to put too much
faith in the quality of the answer, with the most
experienced AI users doing so the most. The more you
use it, the less you're able to tell when it's lying.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
The term metacognitive monitoring, which involves less engagement in our
own human reasoning, makes us reduce our ability to gauge
whether or not we are performing highly, or whether or
not what we're saying is actually valid or true or correct.
So we're basically full of ourselves and nothing can check
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us at that point.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Well, And that Dunning Kruger effect means that if you
don't have skills, you overestimate, and if you do have
a high level of skill, chances are you underestimate what
you what you're capable of, which I guess is a
good thing. It's also think of a fighter pilot. My
father in law was a bomber pilot in Vietnam and
(23:23):
then flew for the Blue Angels. We've talked about not
using that term the Dunning Kruger effect, but he talks
about there's a there's a window of time when you're
a dangerous pilot. Your first hundred two hundred hours in
an aircraft of any kind, you're nervous the entire time,
so you're on alert for all of the things that
could go wrong. Yeah, and then you get comfortable, and
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when you get comfortable, you start to open that window
of danger because you're your lap. You're allowing yourself to
kind of fall into that zone of I got this,
nothing could go wrong. I've been around this plane or
this car, or this job or whatever you're doing. I've
been around it long enough. It's fine. And then, if
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you're lucky, you have a close call that doesn't end
in death or destruction of a thirty five million dollar aircraft,
and you go back to the nervous side of it,
and you go, oh, I had was too comfortable.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I will never make that mistake again.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And that's kind of what that Dunning Kruger effect is,
where even if you've got five thousand hours now in
that airplane, you're going to be terrified the whole time
because you've had that brush with death, I mean also Darwinism. Sure, yeah, absolutely,
And if people don't get out of that plane.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Tiffany Hobbs has joined us to Shannon today Saturday until
one more time.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
You've got an event coming up on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, we'll be at Wendy's and Mission via ho.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
This is right after the four with Neil Savedra and
Bill Handles sitting in with Savedra. We're all out there
this Saturday from two until seven to kick off Pastathon.
It's time for Postathon, so we'll be out there with
special giveaways and just a wonderful time for you to
s get yourself in the Pastathon mood. Join us on
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Saturday from two to seven at Wendy's end Mission via host.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
All the information, by the way, about Pastathon, about how
you can donate, about how you can donate, pasta and sauce,
about when we're going to do our Postathon broadcast from
the White House Restaurant. That's all coming. That's all available,
I should say, on the website. When you go to
KFI AM six forty dot com slash pastathon. We are
in the midst of strange science. Some of the stories
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that floated to the surface that were kind of weird.
We've talked a lot about chronic traumatic encephalopathy linked to
physical trauma to the head. The NFL has been linked
with not just the NA, football in general has been
linked with CTE yes, And it turns out that the
way head trauma damages the brain, damages the brain and
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triggers inflammation, and DNA damage can accumulate in brain cells
over time, almost like the the remnants of a car
crash that then just get left on the roadway.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
If that makes any sense.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
It does because then the other cars, other things could
happen that that thing could then cause yet another accident.
The trash is left in the roadway, that sort of thing.
And they said that that DNA damage from head trauma
could eventually lead to cell dysfunction and death, and that
that very closely resembles the damage that is seen in
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Alzheimer's patients.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
One of the scariest things about CTE for me is
that the diagnosis can only be rendered post so you
can go in and you can have these feelings about
things and symptoms, but they can't do anything to diagnose
you until you pass.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
There was there are a couple instances I know tangentially
somebody who used to play in the NFL that has
suffered from mental problems issues from the time he was
playing through today. I mean, and it's it's a it's
one of those things where now we know about CTE
and it is difficult to not automatically want to ascribe
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it to CTE, right, But like your point, we won't
know until after.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
The other aspect of this is these things can happen
to younger and younger people and we're seeing it and
I listen, I don't know if it's possible. We just
had last week a Dallas Cowboys player commits suicide, and
it's a that is the immediate thing that a lot
of people believe is, oh, yeah, this is the result
(28:00):
of consistent head trauma over the course of this guy's what.
You start playing football when you're seven, eight nine something
like that, and he was only twenty four, I believe, right, And.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
The studies show that full contact football, the earlier you
start playing, the more prone you are to having these
major injuries.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Of course, NASA's Perseverance Rover, existing on Mars has discovered
what they say maybe a meteorite. The meteorite phipps sack Sorry,
let me try it again, Phips sacks La. Why do
they just that looks like the letters you'd get on
a bad scrabbling threw them up and put them in
(28:41):
Phips sacks La. According to a new new blog post
on the mission page for the Perseverance Rover, they said,
it may have stumbled upon this strange shiny rock that
does not belong on Mars, does not have the same
characteristics that they would find on other rocks that they
commonly find. Who thought that there gary Well may have
(29:02):
been three iye atlases. It flew by, okay, pop, you
know you throw trash out the window and the car
kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Maybe that's what they did.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
But they said, according to this new blog post, it
stood out from the flat, broken terrain around it. So
NASA goes, hey, that's weird, and they zoom in to
try to look at it, and it reveals high levels
of iron and nickel, which are very similar, i should say,
in similar levels that we would find in meteorites that
crash into Earth and other metia rights that we know
(29:31):
of that have crashed onto Mars.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It's not the first time they saw metallic rock on Mars.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
The Curiosity Rover, the Opportunity Rover, the Spirit Rover, they
all discovered iron nickel meteorites that were scattered across the
surface of the planet, making it all the more surprising
that the Perseverance hadn't seen one until this point.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So, and it's funny.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I've seen the pictures associated with this story and it's like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
One of these rocks is doing his own thing. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Where that came from. I couldn't tell the difference between
those rocks. Yeah, nothing really special, at least visually.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Despite the picture there.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So Tiffany Hobbes you can hear on Saturdays here on KFI.
And of course it's going to be out and about
at that. Wendy's in a mission. Bahow, Gary, thank you
for having me than you're coming in APPREI it's a
you know, it's a hassle to come in on a Thursday,
and I.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Was thinking about doing other things, but I've none decided
last minute to come in too.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Thanks for having me. The John Cobelt Show is up next.
We'll see you tomorrow. Stay drive, everybody bye. You've been
listening to The Gary and Shannon Show. You can always
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This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI
AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand
on the iHeartRadio app. We've been watching this very sad
procession of officers as they escort the body of an
Alhambra police officer killed in a pursuit last night. A
(00:21):
passenger in the car that was being chased was also killed.
But officer Alex Sanders joined the Alhambra Police Department just
eight months ago after serving some time with a Long
Beach police department, died at the hospital. He was twenty
eight years old, twenty eight and this procession took his
body to the coroner's office, and the hospital that he
(00:43):
was taken to is close enough. They walked several dozen
officers walked behind the corner's office van to the hospital.
So that's a sad thing going on. We'll talk about
it throughout the course of the day. On KFI News,
speaking of Michael Monk says, we're talking about LA Fire chief,
the new fire chief, himI Moore, who had suggested that
(01:07):
the media has been smearing some of the firefighters who
battled the Palisades fire. What he is saying is that
some of the reporting, particularly in the La Times, which
uncovered some supposed text messages among firefighters about the Lachman
fire which preceded the Palisades fire, is smearing those firefighters
and the firefighters, according to that reporting, said we probably
(01:30):
should not leave this fire. It is not out, and
that was reported in the La Times. We've since learned,
because of the charges against an individual, that the Lachman
fires believed to have been smoldering out of sight on
January first, and then re emerged when the Santa Ana
Wins blew in on January seventh and it became the
Palisades fire.
Speaker 2 (01:50):
So the chief said that this is a smear.
Speaker 3 (01:54):
Just days after going before the city council and talking
about transparency and supporting an investigation, I throw overview and
transparency for the Lochman fire. So it was a complete
shift in tone. Friday, he was before the city Council
to get his final confirmation to become the permanent fire chief. Tuesday,
he appeared before the La Fire Commission just for their
(02:14):
regular monthly meeting, and that's when he talked about the smears.
Also at that meeting was former LA Fire Union president
Freddie Escobar, who also had some strong words about everything
that's going on.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
Here's what he said, with everything going on regarding the
Lochman fire in the media, I'd be remiss if I
didn't address the obvious. Our members fear speaking up. That's
probably why there's no signature on that letter. Chief Crowley
told the truth and she was fired. I told the
truth and I was removed from office. I stand with
(02:48):
the men and women of the LAFD. I will be
their voice. No one's gonna bully me around zero. But
the men and women of the LAFD today are scared
to speak up, and that should be to everybody here.
Why are they scared? The mayor and the city council
members have provided a culture that if you speak up
and you tell the truth, you're going to be removed,
(03:10):
and that is wrong.
Speaker 2 (03:11):
This was some pretty harsh words about the mayor and
the city council and also maybe a bit inaccurate when
he talks about being removed from his office as president
of the union. He was suspended from that role after
it was reported that he had allegedly mismanaged the union's finances,
so that played into his removal as well. But you
still hear the defense of the former Chief Crowley. I
(03:33):
thought last week when the new fire chief, I may More,
spoke at city Council and specifically mentioned that he supports
Mayor Bass's plan to look into the Lockman fire. He
said Mayor Bass's name multiple times, that he was avowing
his allegiance to this new mayor, which is probably something
she wants after the tension that emerged between her and
(03:53):
former Chief Crowley. I also thought, just as an observer
a reporter, that seeing the news come out about the
Lockman fire may add credence to the removal of the
previous fire chief if you view that as a mismanaged situation,
seem to look okay, But then you hear these remarks
from Chief More on Tuesday, and now I'm not really
(04:15):
sure what the thing about all of it?
Speaker 1 (04:16):
Right Well, I also I would disagree with his characterization
that this is a smear of firefighters. That sounds like
the rank and file firefighters that were up on that
hill that we're telling their higher ups it's too hot,
rocks are hot. We believe it's still smoldering, we know
the wind is coming, we should probably still be here,
(04:38):
And that a battalion chief was the one that told
them to leave. That's different than suggesting that the rank
and file firefighters in La City Fire.
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Department are the ones that are being smeared exactly.
Speaker 3 (04:49):
So the allegation to go from transparency, calling for transparency
and investigation to basically saying fake news in seventy two hours.
Speaker 2 (04:58):
Is quite a whiplash. Interesting.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
When is he going to be on the Michael Lunks Show.
I'd like to have them on to talk about these things.
We'll see how Because you know, when you are the
chief of the fire department or the police department in
La Are really any big city, you've got a balancing act.
Speaker 2 (05:12):
You do have the elected officials.
Speaker 3 (05:14):
That are maybe breathing down your neck and also expect
a certain loyalty perhaps or to have their agenda pushed.
You also have the rank and file. You have the
union that you have to deal with, and those philosophies,
those initiatives, those agendas are often at odds with one another,
and so it's tough to balance that. And so I think,
(05:35):
just in his first not even full week in office, yet,
we're seeing how.
Speaker 2 (05:39):
That might play out. All right, Michael, thank you my pleasure.
Speaker 1 (05:42):
It's twelve o'clock, which also means it's time to check
and see what else is going on.
Speaker 2 (05:47):
Time for what's happening.
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the company's board unanimously rejected three earlier overtures from David
(07:16):
Ellison of Paramount, largely a cash offer which would have
been close to about sixty billion dollars. That's a lot of.
Speaker 5 (07:24):
Cash billion to have on hand at one you got
right now, cash on hand, reach a tottal less than
sixty billion, by about fifty nine billion and change a
little less.
Speaker 1 (07:37):
I want to get robbed in the parking lot. Yeah,
money rate parking lot, Like there's anybody in this building
to rob you. Mosquito here in La County has tested
positive for dengay. The first detection of the virus in
an eighties mosquito in the state ades not eight zero
s an eighties mosquito. The mosquitos found in a surveillance
(07:58):
trap over in Sun Valley. At least seven cases of
locally acquired dengay have been reported by La County health
officials this year.
Speaker 5 (08:09):
What I love that they say of course ways to
mitigate this pour out standing water.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
We have rain coming again. Good luck to you all.
Don't pour it out until tomorrow because it's just going
to get more. The Grinch is coming to your McDonald's fries.
Doctor Sue Center prizes in McDonald's teaming up with new
Grinch Salt. Okay, hold on the Grinches Dill pickle Grinch Salt,
(08:34):
mcshaker fries coming to pickle anything you use the mcshaker
bag to sprinkle dill pickle seasoning all over their fries.
Speaker 2 (08:44):
I'm not opposed to that.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
Your pickle guy, I am.
Speaker 2 (08:47):
I like a pickle.
Speaker 1 (08:48):
You like a pickle? Like a pickle? What I've heard?
Speaker 2 (08:50):
Wait?
Speaker 1 (08:51):
What when we come back getting through your holiday dinners,
we have some great suggestions. If you have to void
certain topics or certain relatives, we'll do that when we
come back.
Speaker 6 (09:05):
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restrictions and change without notice. Tiffany Hobbs has joined us
today in for Shannon who's on vacation. I have you
are going to be out and about on Saturday coming up?
Speaker 5 (10:02):
I will I will be in Mission via ho at
Wendy's with Neil Savagra after the Fork Report as we
kick off Pastathon, and would love for all of you
to come out and listen to the broadcast, listen to
both shows and I know Handles joining Neil as well.
And it's all in an effort to get things revving
and rearing to go for Pastathon, which is quickly approaching.
(10:25):
So I'll see you there from five to seven pm
at Wendy's and Mission via Ho.
Speaker 1 (10:30):
We talked earlier about this survey that said that forty
seven percent of adults would prefer to sit at the
kids table at holiday dinners because they want to avoid
uncomfortable conversations. That there are certain things that should be
off limits. Obviously, politics is going to be one of
those things, followed by personal finances, someone's appearance or wait, religion,
(10:56):
things like that. So we were asking, what kind of
a roadmap do you have, what kind of play and
do you have to avoid problems when it comes to
your holiday dinners.
Speaker 3 (11:06):
The secret to secret driving any holiday party is obtaining
and then using a metric as ton of weed.
Speaker 5 (11:16):
Not a little bit, a metric as ton banana for
scale right metric ass time. I haven't done Thanksgiving with
my family since ninety two because they're crazy and toxic.
Speaker 1 (11:29):
So I stay.
Speaker 5 (11:30):
Home with I don't know, my roommate, my friends, whatever,
and I make a dinner and smoke weed.
Speaker 1 (11:39):
And it's usually belts or steak or something fun to eat,
decadent blt.
Speaker 2 (11:44):
But yeah, nobody, I don't like my family.
Speaker 1 (11:47):
You wouldn't tell, I couldn't tell.
Speaker 7 (11:50):
Hey, Garyan Jannon, this is Greg Collin two times out.
Speaker 2 (11:55):
Of the year.
Speaker 7 (11:55):
Andrea, gar you guessed Thanksgiving and Christmas. You just set
around and talk about my activities throughout the year, my
outdoor activities in the mountain biking that I do. And
I'll but I do gonna let you know that I
call from Knoxville, Tennessee. I'll listen to you guys while
I'm at work in a hospital earbuds. So thank you
(12:17):
very much for.
Speaker 2 (12:17):
My thank you love Knoxville, very kind love that.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
Hey, guys, no shoot on Sharnon, but Hoffman and Hobbs
has a great ring to it.
Speaker 2 (12:25):
Haven't it all right? Well, maybe we'll make T shirts
or something.
Speaker 1 (12:29):
Gary, when my family gets together, it's for Thanksgiving or
anything else.
Speaker 8 (12:34):
We're all adults, we all know, just leave it alone.
Speaker 1 (12:37):
We don't need to discuss politics, we don't need to
for your each other.
Speaker 8 (12:41):
Just let it go.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
So yeah, Unfortunately, not all adults work on that level. No,
I can't say they do.
Speaker 9 (12:50):
Know, Hey, Gary, we have a smaller things giving now,
family's kind of spread out.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
Some of them died off.
Speaker 7 (12:57):
I did the boy talking to them all ago.
Speaker 1 (13:00):
A cigar and.
Speaker 2 (13:03):
You shouldn't left with that. But it's it's just a
funny way to read.
Speaker 1 (13:07):
It's smaller now everyone's everyone's dead.
Speaker 5 (13:11):
Hi, Gary, I have the perfect roadmap for avoiding awkward
questions at family dinners, and that's that I don't go
to them anymore.
Speaker 1 (13:21):
Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
Speaker 2 (13:22):
Thank you.
Speaker 1 (13:23):
Happy Thanksgiving. Not the happiest way to celebrate things.
Speaker 2 (13:26):
At my house.
Speaker 8 (13:27):
Half the family of San Francisco Giant fans.
Speaker 9 (13:29):
The rest of them are, of course Los Angeles Dodger fans.
Speaker 2 (13:34):
A couple of Padres thrown in there. So why we
are we both know what?
Speaker 3 (13:39):
What's not a good conversation this year?
Speaker 7 (13:41):
Right?
Speaker 2 (13:41):
Listen?
Speaker 1 (13:42):
I think the one thing the Giants and Dodgers fans
can agree on is don't have Padres fans.
Speaker 2 (13:46):
That's your Thanksgiving dinner. Bring down the room, come.
Speaker 8 (13:51):
Together, hobbs, welcome and it's so nice to hear you today.
Speaker 1 (13:54):
Thank you.
Speaker 8 (13:55):
But Gary, I got to ask you, Shannon is not
on the charge or tale? They're on a bye week?
Speaker 2 (14:01):
Correct?
Speaker 8 (14:03):
Is she on the S word? Is she on the
V word? Let me know? I miss miss Sparren. But Tiffany,
wonderful job, thank you, thank you, V.
Speaker 1 (14:15):
Word vacation vacation. I was going in a completely wrong direction.
Speaker 2 (14:22):
She has not been suspended this time. She is on vacation.
Speaker 1 (14:27):
We believe I'm just here for today. I think we believe,
we believe we'll see Queen all right when we come back.
Strange science is coming along.
Speaker 6 (14:38):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (14:45):
A couple of uh have highly watched economic indicators came
out just yesterday, and Video reported earnings after the markets
closed and did a lot better than expected. Adding to
the positive sentiment. Walmart raised its sales forecast for the year,
and then this morning, job growth came out. Those numbers
defied expectations. For September, according to the Labor Department, grew
(15:09):
seasonally adjusted one hundred and nineteen thousand on the month.
That was the strongest gain we saw since April. But
the unemployment rate different from the jobs figures. The unemployment
rate did go up slightly to four point four percent.
That saw and absolutely gangbusters opening on Wall Street. With
the Dow up more than five hundred close to six
(15:29):
hundred points, it has been flirting with negative territories down
about two point fifty right now, with just about another
twenty to twenty five minutes or so left in trading Well.
Tiffany Hobbs has joined us in for Shannon today. I
have You're about to experience your very first strange science.
Speaker 8 (15:47):
Oh strange saw.
Speaker 6 (15:51):
Yes, it's like weird science, but strange.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
We talked a bit about this in the first hour
of the show. You can always go back and check
out the podcast. NASA yesterday released new images and information
about three i at lists and they said, very clearly,
very plainly, this is a comet.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
I repeat, it is a comet.
Speaker 9 (16:16):
Nothing to say, like to address the rumors right at
the beginning, I think it's important that we talk about
that this object is a comet. It looks and behaves
like a comet and has and all evidence points to
it being a comet. But this one came from outside
the Solar System.
Speaker 2 (16:29):
Okay, whatever NERD.
Speaker 5 (16:30):
Doth protest much, mister science persons person.
Speaker 1 (16:37):
There are some fresh observations, not just from a spacecraft
that are closer to it, but telescopes positioned across the
Solar System, including missions at Mars Earth deep space. They've
all captured images the comets, coma, the trajectory, the brightness
multiple angles. Over the last couple of months. It's only
the and this is what makes it unusual. It's only
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the third interstellar object ever detected, meaning it came from
outside our Solar system to come into our Solar system.
Speaker 5 (17:08):
And likely has existed before our Solar system even existed.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
Older, older than the Sun and the planet.
Speaker 1 (17:16):
Don't like that.
Speaker 2 (17:17):
Creepy, hard to understand.
Speaker 1 (17:19):
Creepy. There was also a study that made its way
a headline that you saw kissing goes back a very
long time.
Speaker 2 (17:27):
Millions of years is what they're saying.
Speaker 1 (17:30):
Kissing according to a new study that was purpose published
in the journal Evolution and Human Behavior, said that even
though Homo sapiens have been around for about three hundred
thousand years, kissing goes back twenty one million years, almost
as old as the comic.
Speaker 2 (17:49):
Almost as old as the comic.
Speaker 1 (17:51):
Researchers have concluded the kissing most likely occurred in Neanderthals,
which are by our closest extinct relatives, and they got
a little freaky with modern humans that Neanderthals may have
actually kissed Homo sapiens.
Speaker 5 (18:07):
It was always really interesting to me to think about
the first of anything. At some point, these Neanderthals likely
experimented with their bodies and the first time they did something,
what was that.
Speaker 1 (18:19):
Like, Well, there comes a time in a young Neanderthal's
life where his body begins to change. Probably right, things
feel funny. Matilda Brindle is an evolutionary biologist at the
University of Oxford.
Speaker 2 (18:33):
Of course, her name is Matilda.
Speaker 1 (18:35):
She said, this is the first time anyone has taken
a broad evolutionary lens to examine kissing. Our findings add
to a growing body of work that highlights the remarkable
diversity of sexual behaviors exhibited by our primate cousins. They
first of all had to figure out what it meant
to kiss, and it was important because there are other
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mouth to mouth actions that might look like kissing. Orangutans
and panzees will transfer chewed food to their infants mouth
to mouth. Fish engage in kiss fighting, which is for
territory usually, And they said that they had to define
a kiss as we would see it today as non aggressive,
(19:16):
depending on who you are, non aggressive mouth to mouth
contact that does not involve food transfer.
Speaker 2 (19:22):
Now all of.
Speaker 1 (19:23):
Those things, there could be some mistakes that happened, and
maybe there is some of that food transfer.
Speaker 2 (19:29):
Maybe it is a little aggressive too.
Speaker 1 (19:30):
Much in the weeds for me here. But based on
this definition, various modern day primates, bonobo's, gorillas, chimps, rangutings, macoques,
and baboons have all been observed kissing.
Speaker 8 (19:42):
Well, what.
Speaker 1 (19:46):
They treated the researchers, Now you screwed me up. They
used a statistical method called Bayesian modeling to reconstruct evolutionary
history of kissing as a biological trait. And it makes
sense that it's a biological tree. Kissing the way we
think of it is often a precursor to other types
(20:08):
of intimacy. Yeah, so not always, but it can in
romantic partners. Perhaps did this precipitate anything? Is yes, by
somebody one of you, Like you said that first time
that Neanderthal kissed homosapei in and went whoa, I felt that.
Speaker 2 (20:25):
Yeah, it moved, Okay, you started it. Just so you know.
Speaker 1 (20:31):
Scientists have traced the origins of the most massive black
hole merger ever observed. They said that these were two
quote impossible giants that may have formed despite longstanding assumptions
that those things could not exist. These black holes were
considered forbidden because a star of that size would blow
itself apart in extremely powerful explosions, which means it would
(20:55):
leave behind no remnant that would eventually collapse into a
back black hole. Now there's having to stretch out their
sizing basically.
Speaker 5 (21:03):
Yeah, and these observations just put Einstein's theory of general
relativity to the test because of space time curvature around
these black holes. And it's it's definitely arguing for or
against Einstein at this point.
Speaker 1 (21:21):
And what I love is I want to meet these
people at a party and I want that and I go, hey,
what have you been working on? And they go, oh, well,
this rapidly spinning magnetized star usually collapses in an unexpected way,
and that can produce black holes inside a forbidden mass range,
setting the stage for a colossal merger event like we
just saw in GW two three one one two three,
(21:41):
And you go, okay, where's the mixer for this? Where's okay, I'm.
Speaker 2 (21:46):
Going to go freshen up my anything.
Speaker 1 (21:50):
There is a suggestion that the more people use AI,
the more likely they are to overestimate their own abilities.
This is very similar to what we were just talking
about in the show.
Speaker 2 (22:00):
As well.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
Scientists of Finland's Alto University they collaborate with some Researchers
in Germany and Canada as well found that using AI
removes the Dunning Kruger effect.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
In fact, it almost reverses it.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
This research shows that when using common chatbots to solve problems, everyone,
no matter what your skill level is in the topic
that you're looking at, everyone tends to put too much
faith in the quality of the answer, with the most
experienced AI users doing so the most. The more you
use it, the less you're able to tell when it's lying.
Speaker 5 (22:38):
The term metacognitive monitoring, which involves less engagement in our
own human reasoning, makes us reduce our ability to gauge
whether or not we are performing highly, or whether or
not what we're saying is actually valid or true or correct.
So we're basically full of ourselves and nothing can check
(22:59):
us at that point.
Speaker 1 (23:00):
Well, And that Dunning Kruger effect means that if you
don't have skills, you overestimate, and if you do have
a high level of skill, chances are you underestimate what
you what you're capable of, which I guess is a
good thing. It's also think of a fighter pilot. My
father in law was a bomber pilot in Vietnam and
(23:23):
then flew for the Blue Angels. We've talked about not
using that term the Dunning Kruger effect, but he talks
about there's a there's a window of time when you're
a dangerous pilot. Your first hundred two hundred hours in
an aircraft of any kind, you're nervous the entire time,
so you're on alert for all of the things that
could go wrong. Yeah, and then you get comfortable, and
(23:46):
when you get comfortable, you start to open that window
of danger because you're your lap. You're allowing yourself to
kind of fall into that zone of I got this,
nothing could go wrong. I've been around this plane or
this car, or this job or whatever you're doing. I've
been around it long enough. It's fine. And then, if
(24:07):
you're lucky, you have a close call that doesn't end
in death or destruction of a thirty five million dollar aircraft,
and you go back to the nervous side of it,
and you go, oh, I had was too comfortable.
Speaker 2 (24:19):
I will never make that mistake again.
Speaker 1 (24:22):
And that's kind of what that Dunning Kruger effect is,
where even if you've got five thousand hours now in
that airplane, you're going to be terrified the whole time
because you've had that brush with death, I mean also Darwinism. Sure, yeah, absolutely,
And if people don't get out of that plane.
Speaker 6 (24:41):
You're listening to Gary and Shannon on demand from KFI
AM six forty.
Speaker 1 (24:47):
Tiffany Hobbs has joined us to Shannon today Saturday until
one more time.
Speaker 2 (24:53):
You've got an event coming up on Saturday.
Speaker 1 (24:55):
Yeah, we'll be at Wendy's and Mission via ho.
Speaker 5 (24:58):
This is right after the four with Neil Savedra and
Bill Handles sitting in with Savedra. We're all out there
this Saturday from two until seven to kick off Pastathon.
It's time for Postathon, so we'll be out there with
special giveaways and just a wonderful time for you to
s get yourself in the Pastathon mood. Join us on
(25:21):
Saturday from two to seven at Wendy's end Mission via host.
Speaker 1 (25:25):
All the information, by the way, about Pastathon, about how
you can donate, about how you can donate, pasta and sauce,
about when we're going to do our Postathon broadcast from
the White House Restaurant. That's all coming. That's all available,
I should say, on the website. When you go to
KFI AM six forty dot com slash pastathon. We are
in the midst of strange science. Some of the stories
(25:47):
that floated to the surface that were kind of weird.
We've talked a lot about chronic traumatic encephalopathy linked to
physical trauma to the head. The NFL has been linked
with not just the NA, football in general has been
linked with CTE yes, And it turns out that the
way head trauma damages the brain, damages the brain and
(26:13):
triggers inflammation, and DNA damage can accumulate in brain cells
over time, almost like the the remnants of a car
crash that then just get left on the roadway.
Speaker 2 (26:26):
If that makes any sense.
Speaker 1 (26:27):
It does because then the other cars, other things could
happen that that thing could then cause yet another accident.
The trash is left in the roadway, that sort of thing.
And they said that that DNA damage from head trauma
could eventually lead to cell dysfunction and death, and that
that very closely resembles the damage that is seen in
(26:51):
Alzheimer's patients.
Speaker 5 (26:53):
One of the scariest things about CTE for me is
that the diagnosis can only be rendered post so you
can go in and you can have these feelings about
things and symptoms, but they can't do anything to diagnose
you until you pass.
Speaker 1 (27:08):
There was there are a couple instances I know tangentially
somebody who used to play in the NFL that has
suffered from mental problems issues from the time he was
playing through today. I mean, and it's it's a it's
one of those things where now we know about CTE
and it is difficult to not automatically want to ascribe
(27:32):
it to CTE, right, But like your point, we won't
know until after.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Unfortunately.
Speaker 1 (27:39):
The other aspect of this is these things can happen
to younger and younger people and we're seeing it and
I listen, I don't know if it's possible. We just
had last week a Dallas Cowboys player commits suicide, and
it's a that is the immediate thing that a lot
of people believe is, oh, yeah, this is the result
(28:00):
of consistent head trauma over the course of this guy's what.
You start playing football when you're seven, eight nine something
like that, and he was only twenty four, I believe, right, And.
Speaker 5 (28:10):
The studies show that full contact football, the earlier you
start playing, the more prone you are to having these
major injuries.
Speaker 1 (28:18):
Of course, NASA's Perseverance Rover, existing on Mars has discovered
what they say maybe a meteorite. The meteorite phipps sack Sorry,
let me try it again, Phips sacks La. Why do
they just that looks like the letters you'd get on
a bad scrabbling threw them up and put them in
(28:41):
Phips sacks La. According to a new new blog post
on the mission page for the Perseverance Rover, they said,
it may have stumbled upon this strange shiny rock that
does not belong on Mars, does not have the same
characteristics that they would find on other rocks that they
commonly find. Who thought that there gary Well may have
(29:02):
been three iye atlases. It flew by, okay, pop, you
know you throw trash out the window and the car
kind of thing.
Speaker 2 (29:09):
Maybe that's what they did.
Speaker 1 (29:11):
But they said, according to this new blog post, it
stood out from the flat, broken terrain around it. So
NASA goes, hey, that's weird, and they zoom in to
try to look at it, and it reveals high levels
of iron and nickel, which are very similar, i should say,
in similar levels that we would find in meteorites that
crash into Earth and other metia rights that we know
(29:31):
of that have crashed onto Mars.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
It's not the first time they saw metallic rock on Mars.
Speaker 1 (29:37):
The Curiosity Rover, the Opportunity Rover, the Spirit Rover, they
all discovered iron nickel meteorites that were scattered across the
surface of the planet, making it all the more surprising
that the Perseverance hadn't seen one until this point.
Speaker 2 (29:53):
So, and it's funny.
Speaker 1 (29:54):
I've seen the pictures associated with this story and it's like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (29:57):
One of these rocks is doing his own thing. I
don't know.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
Where that came from. I couldn't tell the difference between
those rocks. Yeah, nothing really special, at least visually.
Speaker 2 (30:07):
Despite the picture there.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
So Tiffany Hobbes you can hear on Saturdays here on KFI.
And of course it's going to be out and about
at that. Wendy's in a mission. Bahow, Gary, thank you
for having me than you're coming in APPREI it's a
you know, it's a hassle to come in on a Thursday,
and I.
Speaker 5 (30:24):
Was thinking about doing other things, but I've none decided
last minute to come in too.
Speaker 2 (30:28):
I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (30:29):
Thanks for having me. The John Cobelt Show is up next.
We'll see you tomorrow. Stay drive, everybody bye. You've been
listening to The Gary and Shannon Show. You can always
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